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(Music)
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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
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That is JonA32.
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Guys, we're very excited to have you here for today's episode.
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And we just got to keep some announcements going from last week.
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Because last week, I gave you all an update on the Daily Blade.
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And just let y'all know that within a few hours,
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this show was already making the rounds around the world that we were in the charts.
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And as of the recording of this, we are still crushing it in the charts.
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Guys, we're still in the top charts in our category.
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And we're in the top charts overall.
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It's been absolutely amazing.
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But then I get a random text message from Joby last week.
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And it's an article from the Associated Press.
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Okay?
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The Associated Press had a list of the top 10 new podcasts of 2025.
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And wouldn't you know it, the number three top podcast, new podcast of 2025,
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according to the AP, is the Daily Blade.
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But Joby Martin and Kyle Thompson.
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Like, I mean, when he sent it to me, I was just like,
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"What in the world is going on?"
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And I kind of did a brief overview of the list.
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And there are other books or there are other,
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I think there are two others that were Bible-based things on this list.
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Okay? And just with what we're seeing, guys,
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because the subject matter today's episode is obviously
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Wes Huff's appearance on the Joe Rogan experience,
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you have Bible sales, like not at all time highs,
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but like soaring Bible sales.
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Yeah, people like Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand and just all these different,
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you know, public intellectuals that are either becoming Christians
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or getting very Christian curious or spending time in the Bible.
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I feel like there's like an actual revival that that's coming, right?
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And so I, and again, I don't have like prior knowledge or things like that.
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But remember the Asbury thing that always felt kind of forced to me?
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I kind of like wished it was like the real thing,
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but it just kind of felt forced.
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It's like, yeah, this feels like a really artificially long worship set.
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And then, you know, they moved it off side and it's like,
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"All right, come off side and we'll give you Chick-fil-A sandwiches."
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It's like, "Oh, let's have a revival.
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You're not going to need to, you know, entice people with Chick-fil-A sandwiches."
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But there's so much happening right now.
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And it's the guys, right?
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It's the guys that are coming together that are finally like,
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"Okay, I'm going to start taking this Christianity thing seriously."
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At least in an evaluative way or evaluatory.
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I don't know how you would say that, but like we're going to evaluate this, right?
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I'm going to read the Bible as if it's true.
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And it looks like the Daily Blade is helping you guys with that.
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So guys, if you are not currently subscribed or, you know,
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plus buttoned or whatever the thing is you're listening on to the Daily Blade,
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you need to do that.
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It's Monday through Wednesday with Joby, myself,
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and then we'll bring some friends along the way as we go through.
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But it's still going well.
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Keep sharing that around.
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But also, one to make an announcement that there is going to be a men's conference.
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So all the guys listening to this right now,
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there is a men's conference that will be held at the Church of 11-22
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in Jacksonville, Florida on October the 17th and 18th.
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And great lineup of speakers if I can say so myself.
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So Joby Martin, obviously, that's his church.
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That's his backyard.
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It would make sense if he spoke.
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And that's around the time of the release of his men's book.
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And then we've got Willie Robertson of Duck Dynasty fame.
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We've got Pastor John Tyson.
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He wrote the book, The Intentional Father.
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We talked to him about it on the show here years ago.
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And that's on our book list.
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We have Pastor Brian Loretz.
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And then also yours truly.
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This guy, this ugly mug is going to be up there on stage.
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Yacking about manhood and different things like that.
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And so guys, I will tell you, the live version of this will sell out.
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Okay, this will sell out.
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And it is still beautiful in October in Jacksonville.
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And so if you're like, ah, I need a beach vacation.
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I'm not gender.
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So I can go to the beach and not be completely scared of the sun.
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You should go get your tickets.
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It is in the show notes guys.
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If you want to know how to get there, it's in the show notes.
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I'm sure you could just Google Church of 11, 22 men's conference
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October or something like that.
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But it's there.
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And also thank you to the donors.
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Thank you to everybody that leaves reviews and shares our show with a friend.
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If you're going to leave a review for The Daily Blade or on Dawn of Life,
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make sure it's five stars.
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Okay, in the quick hitter segment today, we're going to be talking about an illegal
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immigrant murdering a woman on a New York City subway car by lighting her on fire.
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Disney cutting a trans storyline from its upcoming animated series.
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Mark Zuckerberg deciding to axe Meta's fact checking program.
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The Duke lacrosse rape accused are finally revealing that she lied about the whole incident.
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And a viral video that perfectly shows how women struggle to truly understand men.
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But I would be remiss if I didn't spend quite a bit of time talking about when Joe Rogan
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is confronted with the facts of Christianity.
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Because we're going to be breaking down really what it feels like one of the most
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exciting things to happen in modern Christiandom in terms of its impact on culture and media.
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And I really don't think that's hyperbolic.
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And because that's because Christian apologist Wesley Huff did a three hour
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plus interview on the Joe Rogan experience.
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And guys, I remember when everyone freaked out when this was announced.
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Because Wes Huff actually posted a picture of him and Joe Rogan on his Instagram.
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We're like, holy crap, this is actually going down.
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I can't believe that this finally happened.
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And then I was thinking there for a few weeks like, man, he may not release this thing
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because it hadn't been released.
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And then it was actually released.
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And people freaked out because of that.
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Because I know for years, I remember back when Robbie Zacharias was still alive.
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And people didn't, you know, think of him as a sexual deviant and any of that.
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I was like, oh my gosh, I was literally working with some people behind the scenes
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to try to get him on Joe Rogan.
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And there's like, you know, this thing going around where people are getting signatures,
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trying to get William Lane Craig on the show, right?
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Trying to, you know, tweet at Joe Rogan and send him messages to get William Lane Craig on there.
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And then Wes Huff is the one that actually got it done.
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And so for some of you that are not familiar with Wesley Huff,
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he is a Canadian Christian apologist, speaker and teacher.
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He had a debate.
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And this is kind of where this, this all went viral.
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He had a debate with a guy named Billy Carson on a show called Elevating Beyond.
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So Billy Carson was on the Joe Rogan experience.
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I think it was last year or something like that.
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And this guy is billed as a supposed expert on ancient civilizations.
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Okay.
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This guy has made a ton of money off that claim claiming that he can read these ancient writings.
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And he's compared all these different ancient writings.
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He's come to these new revelations, right?
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He's been on a bunch of huge shows.
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But apparently the dude is a complete charlatan.
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Okay.
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So Huff absolutely pantsed this dude during their little debate.
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Okay.
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And apparently how it set up or, you know, basically how it was set up
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is the host of this podcast is like good buddies with Carson.
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Okay.
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So Carson had a wedding where like 12 people were at it and this guy was there, right?
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They live in the same neighborhood.
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And the host of this show gave Wes Huff like 24 hours notice to hop on via like zoom.
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To do just kind of this light-hearted discussion.
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This was not like a, okay, you present your opening arguments and the other guy
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represents his opening arguments.
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Okay.
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And then you get five minutes and then the other person gets five minutes to respond.
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It wasn't like that.
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It was just they were going to go back and forth on some stuff
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because Huff had made some videos and supposed before in the past,
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basically calling Carson out for some, some dumb, dumb stuff.
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So this did not go well for him at all for Carson.
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That is Carson kind of abruptly, but politely ended the debate,
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citing that he had to leave.
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He kept kind of moving the goalposts whenever Huff would be like,
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wait, wait, we need to kind of drill down this.
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You said this and this actually isn't true.
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He would like move to another subject matter.
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But it went so poorly for Carson that he actually went to the host house in the
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middle of the night.
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They, they have this on like ring doorbell camera.
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And in the middle of the night, he came with a cease and desist letter,
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basically saying this video is not to see the lie today.
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Apparently he sent a cease and desist letter to Huff as well.
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And that kind of had a whole Streisand effect.
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Like if you're not familiar with Streisand effect,
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I think Streisand was like mad about Google maps, like showing where her house was on Malibu.
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But the fact that she made it public made, made it apparent that more people would know
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where her house was.
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So if she would have just shut her mouth, people would not have known that that was her house.
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But it brought a whole lot more attention to the situation than it could have,
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of course, and would have just kind of like, you know, licked his wounds and taken off.
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But then West Huff posted the entire interaction to his YouTube channel in its entirety with
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no alterations after some of the clips that started circulating online.
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And I'll put the link to that in the show notes today, so you can check that out.
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But we're going to spend our time today engaging with West Huff's interview on the
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drove learning experience.
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I'm not going to do a breakdown of his debate with Carson.
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You can go watch that for yourself.
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I think it's a couple hours long and you can check that out.
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Because this came out last week.
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But here's my advice before listening to my commentary.
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Go and watch the interview with Joe Rogan on Joe Rohan with West Huff before listening to my commentary.
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Now, I normally just listen via podcasts, but this is one that I actually did watch,
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because they did bring up some stuff. Jamie brought up some stuff on the screen.
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So it was kind of good.
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And also, it's good to kind of look at their non-verbals and see some of the things that were
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happening. So go look at that on YouTube or Spotify.
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Don't let me color what you perceive before we get into this commentary.
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So I'm going to do a deep dive on some of the stuff that they got into late in the interview,
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because the first couple hours were interesting.
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But it's really that last hour, hour 15, where they really kind of popped off.
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So they started the interview, the discussion, they went right into the Billy Carson
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situation. And right off the bat, they spent probably the first 11 or so minutes on that.
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They did some, one thing that I noticed from the very beginning is there was an interesting
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kind of sort of humility from Joe, because Joe, like a lot of people, he ate up Billy Carson's
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crap. He absolutely ate it up. He thought that Billy Carson, everything he was saying was legit.
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So we see some very interesting humility from Joe at the beginning.
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Huff and Carson, or Huff said that Carson had tried to sue him. But since he's Canadian,
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you know, basically, he told the guy to go pound sand.
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But early on, Joe's tone was very different than I've seen just about every other time he's
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mentioned the Bible or Christianity. And Joe, by his own admission said back in the day,
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he was very, very dismissive of Christianity and almost militantly atheist in a lot of ways.
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And he softened on that approach, but he still doesn't think it's, think it's legit.
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Typically, he's very dismissive of how the Bible got to us, how the translations got to us,
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how they went from oral tradition to written tradition. He essentially says that modern,
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you know, translations of the Bible, or you're impossible, you can't trust them.
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But he's also questioned aloud whether or not Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical person,
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which I've talked about a nozzle on this. So at this point, which is one of the most hilariously
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stupid and ignorant things that you could possibly say as it pertains to people that existed during
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antiquity, right? But early in the interview, Joe Rogan said this, and I have the exact quote here,
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the problem is to really delve into these subjects. It takes a tremendous amount of research years
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and years and years of research. You really have to know what you're talking about. And so again,
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all of us have our blind spots. But the problem is when you make grandiose black and white statements
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about things that you are ignorant on, you can end up with egg on your face. You can end up looking
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a little foolish. And Joe Rogan has very much so over the years said some things about Christianity
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that are so object, objectively false and ridiculous that when he's sitting across from a real expert,
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his tone was just very, very, very different. Then we get a little introduction to Wes Huff,
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you know, his parents were missionaries. He had a freak paralysis when he was like 12 years old,
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and he had a kind of a miracle restoration of use of his limbs. I think it was legs. He was
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paraplegic. He did some soul searching as a teenager. He wanted to discover his own faith.
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At the end of about, you know, a year and a half journey, he came to faith that Christianity was
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true. He went to college and he was challenged by the beliefs of other people that were of other
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religions or no religions. All these people said that the Bible was not legit. Joe actually admitted
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to watching about 20 hours of huff stuff over the last couple of weeks before doing the interview.
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So that was very interesting. And then huff talked about how late in college, he realized that he
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needed to get real about understanding the Bible and why it's reliable. Then Joe started asking
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about the Dead Sea Scrolls. So he's talked about the Dead Sea Scrolls a lot on his show. And again,
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he's typically very, very dismissive. But Joe asked him how you can take manuscript pieces,
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right? Because we have a lot of fragments of manuscripts. And how can you make a narrative
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out of that? So Wes Huff talks about that. And then he asked, and this has been one of the
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clips that's gone pretty viral, he asked if the book of Isaiah that was found, the entirety of
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Isaiah that was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, if it matched what we have today, and I'm not going
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to show the clip here, we'll show some clips towards the end. But we're not going to show the clip here
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just because it's a little bit longer. But Huff explained that what we have, that basically when
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they found the entirety of the book of Isaiah and the Dead Sea Scrolls, that it pushed back
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our understanding of the translation or transmission of the book of Isaiah for over a millennium,
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over 1000 years, and how that one matched exactly what we have today, which absolutely
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blew Joe Rogan's mind. Then when there was a discussion about ancient languages,
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and there was a very interesting claim that Huff made, he said that if you can claim to read
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ancient Sumerian, right, which Billy Carson does, that it's essentially a tell that you're full of
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crap, because we have no idea how these words were pronounced. We have no idea what their
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meanings are. And so he said that which was an interesting tell. They talked a little bit about
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Mormonism. Huff talked about how the Jews were very, very careful on how they would copy the Old
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Testament documents, but that with some of the New Testament documents that were copied, some of
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them were copied very speedily, because there were people that were so anxious about getting the
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gospel out so it could spread faster. So it caused some issues with some manuscripts. But he also
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explained that because there are mistakes in certain manuscripts, it actually proves that
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the core manuscripts are more legitimate because they can actually geographically locate where
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issues started to occur with some of the manuscripts and say like, okay, it looks like a few people
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in this area of the world were distributing stuff that were copied a little bit quickly or sloppily.
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And so they were able to kind of like that that actually helps with the manuscripts. But then
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they kind of talked about the Epic of Gilgamesh and Noah's Ark. This is about an hour and seven
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minutes in. And Huff made a really great point talking about how when you look at the Epic of
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Gilgamesh and Noah's Ark, a lot of people like to focus on the biggest similarities in those
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stories. But he's like, you really should focus on the biggest differences, not the biggest
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similarities. Because in that way, they really aren't very similar. They're not very similar at all.
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Yeah, I guess they both have a flood as part of it. But in terms of the core of what's being
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described, it is not very similar. But he also talked about how there seems to be like a cultural
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sense of memory, right? And a lot of these ancient flood myths and different stories.
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Joe also talked about wondering, you know, how much we lost from oral tradition. And then Huff
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talked about how whenever you're passing things down orally, you're passing the things down that
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are the most important, not every detail. But us now in modernity, we are living downstream of
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the enlightenment. We are children of the enlightenment, I think was the phrase that Huff used. And we
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want everything to be exhaustive, right? And we want everything to be exactly tip for tap, this
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description, and we wanted to kind of meet our modern standards. And that's just not how things
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were done in an oral culture. And then, you know, Huff made a great point that I'm sure Joe had never
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heard before, but the Bible was written, you know, for us, but not written to us. Huff said that only
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about 1% of ancient Egypt had been excavated in terms of what we know that happened in Egyptian
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history. About an hour 41 in there's discussion of Genesis one. Huff makes mention of the image of
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God and the Amago day, which I'm not sure that's ever been described on the Joe Rogan experience.
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About 146 in there's mention of Jonah and the connection to the resurrection. So I think that
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was the first time Joe Rogan had thought about, okay, this wasn't just this fantastical story about
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a guy that, you know, survived in the belly of a big fish or a whale for a long time, and then was
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spit out onto the beach, but how this actually connects specifically to the resurrection narrative
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that we have from the gospel. About an hour 50 in we see Joe ask Huff what he thinks about evolution.
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Huff actually mentions Jonathan McClatchy, who came on the show a few years back, so you can check
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out that episode. So just don't to dot life backslash pot or slash podcast slash Jonathan McClatchy.
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But Huff basically affirms a belief in a legitimate original Adam and Eve, like the, you know,
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the mother and father of us all. He says that we shouldn't read the Bible like it's a science
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textbook or a taxonomy textbook or something like that. Joe seemed to be interested in that. So you
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can see again, just in the first couple hours, Joe is hearing things that might be old hat for
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us because a lot of you guys listening to this in this audience, you've consumed a lot of this
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Christian apologetics content to where, you know, people are like, look, don't read Genesis like
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it's a, like it's a, you know, biology textbook. Okay. But you also, Huff took a little shot at
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young earth people by saying that we're wasting a lot of time to look at the genealogies to determine
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the age of the earth and things like that. There was a cool moment about an hour and 55 in.
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Huff gave Joe Rogan a couple of presents. He gave him a papyrus facsimile of the p 52. It's like a
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little fragments of the Old Testament. It's kind of Old Testament evidence for the New Testament.
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And then we also have, there was a couple of different things there. There was like
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a little, a little part that had like John 18 on one side. This was Jesus on trial before pilot.
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And you know, one side says everyone who follows me follows the truth. Those are the words of Jesus.
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And then on the other side, it was pilot saying, what is the truth? And it's written on both sides
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and there were like codices where there's kind of like the Christians were writing more like in
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this codex type of thing. And it sets up the dating of the gospel of John being comfortably in the
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same period of the eyewitnesses. So he's talking about that around that time, which Joe seemed
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to be interested in. Just after the two hour mark, he informed Joe of the connection to between
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J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis, Joe was not aware of the connection between those two men.
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About two 13 in, you know, scientists believe in one miracle, but, you know, there are plenty of
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miracles in the Bible, but everybody believes in miracles. It just depends on how many. So I say
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all that to say this, around two hours and 19 minutes in, we really get cooking here. Okay.
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So I'm not saying you need to skip the first two hours, but we really, really get cooking about
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two 19 in. Okay. So Hough starts talking about the claim by the apostles of the resurrection. Okay.
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So Joe asks him about his thoughts on the resurrection and Hough says that this is a historical question,
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not a philosophical one. This is not a theological question. When we're talking about the resurrection,
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we're talking about a historical thing that actually happened or did not happen, right?
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And Joe talks about how secular people kind of can't get behind the resurrection from the dead,
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like we can get behind some of the moral teachings, but not really anything else. Hough talks about
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the gospels being written during the time of the eyewitnesses. He talks about 1 Corinthians 15,
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where it says that Jesus appeared. Hough actually said 400 people at once, but, you know, in 1 Corinthians
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15, we see that Christ appeared to 500 people all at once. They were all eyewitnesses at that exact
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moment of the resurrection. And then we go from the scared apostles to guys that were willing to be
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martyred. There's a discussion of that there. Joe asks Hough if they could have thought that Jesus
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had died, but that actually Jesus didn't die. So Joe or Hough spent quite a bit of time talking about
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the Romans being very good at crucifixion. Essentially, there was no chance that Jesus was not killed
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via crucifixion. And then he also brought up how atheist scholars will say, and then again,
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these are atheist scholars that don't believe in God, don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
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They say that one thing can be you can be sure of is that there was a guy named Jesus that died
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of crucifixion at the hands of the Romans. That's just what all of the historical documentation
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points to. Joe also questioned their understanding, these people back in the day, their understanding
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of the measurement of days and how they wrote that down. And that was actually pretty interesting.
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I had never heard that before where someone said, well, wait, they said he was dead for three days
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and then came back, but could have could have been a longer time period. So he could have actually
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could have been like three months and maybe he came back, but he was like healed by then or
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something like that. And so Hough dispelled with that, because Joe asks about writings of any of
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the other eyewitnesses. And so Hough tells them, okay, look, Matthew and John right witnesses,
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Luke and Mark were not, but they talk to eyewitnesses. Joe asks about if there's any
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refutation of the resurrection and Hough basically says that there are people that Jesus that denied
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that Jesus had a physical body, you know, kind of swoon theory. She only seemed to have a physical
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body or only seemed to die, but he actually just swooned. Hough brings up the gospel of Barnabas,
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which says that Jesus wasn't crucified because Billy Carson has talked a lot about the gospel
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of Barnabas, but the gospel of Barnabas, Barnabas, Barnabas was a medieval document, came out, you know,
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well over a thousand years after Jesus died and was resurrected. And then we have, you know,
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the surprising thing about it is that we have, because he's talking about, well, hey, we have
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all these writings of all these ancient people, why should we care about Jesus so much? And Hough
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explained like, look, Jesus had four biographers of his life. The only comparable person to that time
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period is the emperor, Tiberius, who also had four biographers, but we have the Roman emperor
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versus just some random construction worker from Nazareth. Like, why do these two men have the same
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amount of biographers, right? It kind of speaks to the importance of the story and the things that
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we see in Jesus' life. You know, Joe asked about the interpretations of Jesus by non-Jesus followers.
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They, and again, non-Jesus followers just think he was a crucified rabbi. Early Christian criticism
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of Christianity is that it was an atheistic regime or an atheistic way of thinking because
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it wasn't polytheistic. Also that it was odd that Christians weren't, it was odd at the time that
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Christians were converting monotheists and polytheists to become Christians. That was an important
22:12
point that was made. It brought up how, again, how you could go from these scared apostles to
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people that were willing to die for what they saw. And then Joe, he kind of started just bringing
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up all these popular things that get dispelled with by a lot of Christian apologists. He brought
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up Constantine, and it was very clear that Joe has a super small understanding of a lot of things.
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And so, again, Joe Rogan knows a little bit about a lot, right, a lot of different things. And so,
22:38
because of the questions he was asking, you could just see that he was completely outmatched when it
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came to, and not like it was a debate, but he just didn't really know what he was talking about
22:45
where Wes Huff did. And so he talked about, Huff talked about Constantine was the one that commissioned
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the Bible kind of being bound together for the first time, you know, asked about how they put
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the Bible in order. And if the books of the Bible were, if there were certain books that were excluded
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from the canon, and Huff talks about the gospels of Mary and the gospels of Judas and how these
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things were, were basically forgeries that had no connection to the people whose names were on them.
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Huff explained covenants and how the promises were followed up by writings, talks about how 24
23:16
the 27 New Testament books were immediately agreed upon. And it was the other three that they had to
23:20
kind of come along a little bit later, how lots of writings were floating around that were forgeries
23:24
that had no connections to the namesakes that were put on them. There was a unanimous list that
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was decided on in terms of the biblical canon by the end of the second century, which is very,
23:33
very, very early. And it seems like Joe is really, really interested. It seemed like during this
23:38
discussion that Joe is very interested in books that are not canon. Like it's almost like he really,
23:43
really, really wants the gospel of Peter and the gospel of Judas and the gospel of Barnabas to be
23:46
real. Huff actually blew Joe Rogan's mind when he explained that the gospel of Peter,
23:52
how it left out that women were the first witnesses of the risen Jesus. Again, because Joe just hasn't
23:58
heard any of these arguments, the fact that in the gospel accounts, we see that women are the
24:02
first eyewitnesses. And we don't read that as shocking today is because we're living downstream of the
24:08
feminist revolutions, right? But at the time, like women had absolutely no rights and like nothing
24:13
they said could be admissible in court. And Joe just never heard that before. And then he explained,
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you know, why the gospel of Judas is debunked, because you know, this was actually very, very
24:22
interesting. This blue Joe Rogan's mind as well, because most of the names that were used in the
24:27
gospel of Judas, these were common names in the second and third century in Egypt, not common names
24:34
in the first century in Judea. And so that is one of the ways that we can tell that this was a
24:38
a forgery because these were people writing and they had no understanding they couldn't just Google
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what were popular names a couple of hundred years ago. And so it kind of leads us to believe to know
24:48
that the gospel Judas was a forgery. Huff talks about how our deep level of study the Bible is
24:53
really only about 50 years old. And so with large language models and things coming on board,
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that's going to be incredibly important to our understanding of the connections in the Bible.
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Joe showed at least a little bit of his openness to the narrative of scripture,
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but then he kind of gets lost in this, you know, some of these overwrought grandiose ideas of the
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connections between all of humanity and all of us are connected somehow and that kind of thing.
25:16
And then, you know, there's talk about how people can know that nothing happened. Like Joe was very
25:21
dismissive of people that are like, yeah, hey, yeah, I'm an atheist. Nothing happens when you die.
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Like how could you possibly know that? Okay. But at the three hour and five minute mark,
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okay, at the three hour and five minute mark, this is where I think huff senses. Okay,
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this conversation's coming to a close. We need to put a finer point on this.
25:37
So huff asked Joe Rogan this word for word. In all of this, what do you think of Jesus?
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What do you think of the historical person of Jesus? So to be clear, Joe Rogan did not answer
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the question. Okay, he kind of stumbled around it. You know, Joe Joe at one point was like, you know,
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is Jesus the son of God? I don't really know that is like, do we all have some of that inside of
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this? Or are we all sons of God? Like he kind of went that route really ethereal. We really kind of
26:07
new agey. He never really answers the question. He never really got close. He basically just wax
26:11
poetic. And then he started talking about how nice Christians are some of the Christians that
26:16
he knows how so they're just so nice. So he's like, I guess Christianity works.
26:20
It does work, but it's just, I guess, because they're real nice. But overall, I seems very
26:24
skeptical of submitting to the concept that Jesus was a son of God. Joe went off on this tangent
26:31
about Jesus coming back in the middle of the AI, and how that would be hard for us and with
26:38
the AI revolution and the virtual reality revolution, and that if Jesus returning during AI, we would
26:45
recognize him. And if he had came initially during this time period and West had a very piffy
26:50
comedy was like, well, I guess it's good that he came a couple of thousand years ago. But then
26:55
at the three hour and nine minute mark, we get probably the most viral moment of the entire
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interaction. At least this is the part that I see getting pushed around on social media quite
27:06
a bit. And it's a discussion about moralism and Jordan Peterson. Okay, so obviously I'm a big
27:12
phantom of Jordan Peterson, but Huff made a very, very interesting comment about that. So I can't
27:18
again show the entire clip because I don't have permission to, but I do just want to show about
27:22
a minute of this clip here. So let's go to the clip. I really like the way that Jordan Peterson
27:27
articulates it. But I think he misses the force for the trees. How so in that he sees Jesus as an
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archetype. And I don't think actually even Jesus gives you the opportunity to see him as the archetype.
27:38
Because I both I just love hate relationship with all of Peterson's stuff because he seems to get
27:44
so much right where he walks up to the line, but he doesn't want to cross over. And is the crossover
27:49
you think connected to a life in academia? No, what do you think it is? I wonder and I'd love to talk to
27:54
him about this. Like how do you remedy this issue that because he seems to think it that the concept
28:02
of Jesus as an example is more important than the actual flesh and blood first century itinerant
28:11
Jewish preacher who was crucified and rose from the dead physically, which is the claim of the
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gospels and the rest of the New Testament that that's that's an example for us to look on and live by.
28:21
But I actually think that Jesus condemns moralism. And ultimately what I see Peterson doing is
28:30
looking at Jesus as a moral example. And if Jesus is nothing but a moral example, then you can save
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yourself and you don't actually need a savior. And so I think actually Jesus would have critiqued
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that because Jesus was very against moralism. All right, so this is very, very interesting.
28:44
And I again, I encourage you to watch all of it again. This interaction happens around three hours
28:48
and nine minutes in. So Jordan Peterson loves to discuss Jesus as the archetype the ultimate archetype.
28:55
But he refuses to cross over. And we've talked about that law on the show. You cannot say that Jesus
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or that Jordan Peterson believes in Jesus for himself. He believes in Jesus. He even believes
29:06
in the resurrection, but he has not publicly said that he thinks that that counts for himself.
29:10
So he's he's not really publicly a Christian. I don't think you can say that in any way, shape,
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or form. But Huff mentions that he wants to talk to Jordan Peterson about this, which my goodness,
29:21
that's got to happen. Like, I think that Joe Rogan should absolutely at least set those two up to talk
29:26
that he should go on Jordan Peterson's podcast or the three of them should talk. So, you know,
29:31
Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson and Wes Huff that they should all be there. But here's kind of the biggest
29:35
quote. This is this is perhaps the biggest quote of the entire interaction between these two.
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And this is what Huff said. I think that Jesus condemns moralism. And ultimately, what I see
29:46
Peterson doing is looking at Jesus as a moral example. And if Jesus is nothing but a moral example,
29:54
then you can save yourself. You don't need a savior. Again, boom, biggest quote of the entire thing.
30:00
Now, Joe challenges him on this. Like, what do you mean? He's, you know, Jesus condemns moralism
30:04
and all that. And Huff made a great discussion about the law is a mirror. Right. Why do we have
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the law? It's because the law is a mirror. And you're trying to clean yourself up with a mirror
30:16
when you're using moralism. And all you're doing is kind of like, you know, messing, you're making
30:20
the mess even messier and to have the law that the law basically doesn't clean you. And again,
30:25
if if Jesus is a moral example and misses that Jesus said his purpose was that he wanted to come
30:32
here so that you didn't have to live up to some standard that God told you to, but that you can
30:36
have your syndep paid for and that if you keep striving, you're basically just going to wear
30:40
yourself out. So they wrap up this interview. Joe seemed very happy with the interaction,
30:46
did not seem like he wanted to just hurry up and get out there, which you can kind of tell
30:49
sometimes he does with some of his guests. He said he wants to do this again. And he said he
30:54
wants to set something up like this with someone that disagrees with Wes Huff and Wes Huff was like,
30:58
yeah, absolutely. Let's do this. And so I fully expect that he's going to be back on the Joe
31:03
Rogan experience sometime this year. I doubt it's going to be with Billy Carson. But I think he'll
31:07
be back on there with somebody. It'll be some sort of atheist scholar and Wes Huff seems more
31:11
than capable of holding his holding his own there. But there is a big question that people had
31:17
when they found out that this interview was going to happen, they found out that it was going to
31:21
be released. When it did release and before they had listened to it, and the big question is,
31:25
did Wes Huff share the gospel? Was the explicit gospel, if you will, shared?
31:35
And my answer, I guess to that, is ultimately it's in the eye of the beholder. So again,
31:40
I want you, if you're this far into my commentary on it, hopefully you've actually spent some time
31:43
with the actual interview that they did. But for me personally, I think that Huff did a
31:49
spectacular job. Okay. But there are fundamentalist Christians, I guess, if you want to put them in
31:56
a category that are furious, that Huff didn't, you know, press Joe more and like literally just
32:02
spend three hours reciting the gospel message over and over and over and just pointing to the
32:07
Bible and saying, Joe, you better repent. And it says right here in blah, blah, blah. And we can't
32:12
know how that would have gone because we don't have a parallel universe that we can look into and
32:16
like, you know, check the video feed or whatever. But I was thoroughly pleased with how Wes
32:22
comported himself, how he went in there, he went in there open, very, very sharp. He didn't allow
32:29
Joe to kind of like keep going off on all these tangents. Really that last half hour 45 minutes,
32:34
he really kind of brings the conversation back to Jesus brings it back. And he did it in such a way
32:39
that Joe Rogan was not turned off to where this isn't likely not going to be his last appearance
32:44
on the biggest platform in media, right? So here's my warning to some of the people in my audience,
32:52
right? So so to some of you like heresy hunter, you know, I'm right because I'm reformed,
32:57
john McArthur S could no one's fruit is sweet enough. The chosen is terrible and demonic,
33:01
moustachioed IPA people. Here's my message. Don't ruin this moment. Don't ruin this moment by being
33:09
who you are. Okay, just just sit on your hands on this one. Okay, and I'm actually going to give
33:15
you a hint that will help you know that you're about to ruin it. Okay, because you're going to
33:20
start your sentences with, well, actually, that's how you're going to start your sentences.
33:27
No one likes that person. Okay, it's like the ultimate firstborn. We're kind of getting to that
33:31
with our firstborn James right now. He's he's becoming very literalist. It's very, very annoying.
33:35
We're trying to show him, Hey man, you can't be the well actually guy. Like no one likes the
33:39
well actually guy. Someone says something like, Oh, this is really good. Well, actually, it's more
33:43
of a stew. It's like, Oh my God, can I just take you in the parking lot and rub your face in the
33:48
asphalt? So again, if you're tempted to poo poo on this, you need to take a seat because it's very
33:56
easy to critique. It's very easy. Obviously, I do it for living on this show, right? I look at
34:01
things that are happening in culture and I critique it. But also I look at conversations like this,
34:04
and I can critique, Oh, I would have said this or I would have done this. But I go back to whenever
34:08
I appeared on the mic drop podcast, that's with Mike Ritland. Okay. So this is a guy that, you know,
34:13
retired Navy SEAL, he was the dog trainer out there inviting me down to Dallas. This would have
34:17
been, I don't know, three, four years ago now. And I was on a show. And you know, a lot of this,
34:23
a lot of the discussion had was about God and the Bible and Jesus and different things like that.
34:27
And I remember some of the comments that I got from people are like, dude, have you ever seen
34:31
Christian apologetics? You should have said this when he said that and you should have said this
34:34
when he said that, you should have brought it back to this. But the thing is, is you're not the one
34:39
in the room. You're not in the conversation with somebody. The only thing you can observe is what
34:47
he said and what I said. You can't observe what he's thinking or what I'm thinking, right? And when
34:54
I'm in the room, I only got what he says what I say and what I'm thinking. I don't know what he's
34:58
thinking. I don't know what the producers are thinking. Like you're getting the final edited
35:02
version, right? Did you know there were a couple of breaks in there where we went to the bathroom,
35:05
we had some more conversations in between. Do you know that Mike and I still talk to this day?
35:09
We talked yesterday and we've still had conversations about God, the Bible and different things like
35:15
that. That is not privy to you because it's none of your damn business, right? So it's very easy
35:20
to look at what Wes Huff said and be like, well, I would have done it differently. And so here's my
35:25
encouragement to you. I would have done it differently people to you people that critique the things
35:30
that I talk about or the tone that I use or the, you know, the people that I decide to platform or
35:34
not, build your own platform, build up your own credibility, and then work your way onto the Joe
35:40
Rogan experience. And you do a better job. Ready, set, go. The more the merrier. Okay. But in this
35:48
particular instance, the reason why I think Wes Huff did such a good job is because he understood
35:52
two things. He understood that he was talking to an audience of one. Okay, I mean, that a couple
35:58
of different ways. The one audience is God, but also the one audience is Joe Rogan, while simultaneously
36:03
talking to an audience of millions. So he's communicating as if to an audience of one,
36:09
to the God that's there in the conversation and the guy across the table from him, right?
36:13
But then he knows that there are millions and millions and millions of people that are going to
36:16
see the entirety of this interview, right? There's already been millions. I think when I watched it,
36:20
I watched it the second day came out. It already had over two million plays just on YouTube.
36:24
So that doesn't take into account Apple podcasts or Spotify or any of the clips that have started
36:29
to make the rounds on TikTok and Instagram and Facebook and all these other different places.
36:34
Millions and millions of people are going to see this. And so what we witnessed in this
36:40
Wes Huff interview on the Joe Rogan experience is the biggest gospel conversation in media history.
36:47
Is it the most important? That that's a value judgment, right? I can't say that it's the most
36:53
important, but no one, like there's never been a time like this where media was in a way that was
37:01
this accessible where you had someone go on and basically preach the gospel to the biggest
37:07
podcaster on the planet. This was an incredible, incredible thing. I'm here for it. I loved it.
37:13
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38:53
in the illegal immigrant murdering a woman in New York City on the subway by lighting her on fire.
38:57
So this is according to the New York Post on January the 7th or January the 7th of this year.
39:03
The illegal immigrant accused of torching a woman to death on a Brooklyn subway train was so blackout
39:07
drunk that he was shocked when cops showed him video of the appalling attack newly released court
39:13
records reveal. Oh, damn, that's me. Guatemalan native Sebastian Zapetta Cali or Khalil, 33,
39:20
allegedly told New York Police Department detectives when he was shown footage of the December 22nd
39:25
attack at the Brooklyn F train station. So with the quick hitters today, we're going to get right
39:30
into the big takeaways. My first big takeaway on this one is this guy should obviously get the
39:35
death penalty and he should get so quick should get it quickly. I don't care that he was drunk,
39:38
okay? Because even in my most drunken stupor, which again, I've never been so
39:44
inebriated that I couldn't operate. It's just not something that I've ever done.
39:47
I would never set someone on fire. I would never walk onto a subway train,
39:53
see a woman sleeping and think I'm going to set her on fire, okay? Because even if this person
39:59
didn't mean to kill them, he's so stupid and so reckless that he is willing to go around setting
40:06
people on fire. That is not someone that should be alive. He committed the act in this country.
40:12
He murdered someone on purpose. So he should die for that. Again, last week, I talked a lot
40:16
about the death penalty. You can go back and listen to my commentary from last Thursday,
40:20
if you want more on that. But my next big takeaway on this is how many more Americans
40:25
have to die at the hands of people that shouldn't even be here before we get serious about this.
40:28
And I don't know, I don't just mean about the logistics of the seriousness of getting criminals
40:34
and just these bad leeches on the American society and taxpayer getting them out of the country.
40:42
I mean, before people that are pro-immigration, pro-open borders, pro-all that are serious about,
40:47
okay, okay, okay, perhaps we've gone overboard. Because people will say dumb things like,
40:54
well, actually, it's more likely that that woman would have been set on fire by a non-illegal
40:59
immigrant because of all the statistics and all the blah, blah, blah. Well, you know what?
41:03
This woman actually was set on fire by an illegal immigrant. You moron. It actually happened.
41:08
We've got the video, right? We've got the evidence. And so any time someone in this country is hurt
41:17
or harmed in any way by someone that shouldn't be here, that is a travesty, an absolute travesty.
41:25
If you get in a fender bender with somebody that's an illegal immigrant that doesn't have
41:29
insurance and that ends up coming out of your butt, that's a problem, okay? And then clearly,
41:35
up to the amount of murders that are happening in this country, because guess what? If the people
41:41
are not here, then they can't commit the crime. You see how that works, right? I know some of you
41:46
are going to need to get out of Blackboard and really kind of connect all those words.
41:49
But if the criminal is not in this country, they can't perform the crime in this country,
41:55
whether that's grand theft, auto or murder. Again, I'm so sick and tired of this. And like,
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I don't want it to happen to anyone in my family. I don't want it to happen to anyone in your family.
42:05
Why is it not okay to say that? All right. Next quick hitter here, Disney cutting a trans
42:10
storyline from its upcoming animated series. So this is according to the daily wire on December
42:14
the 18th of last year, the transgender identifying teenager who voices a character in Disney's new
42:19
animated series, win or lose is upset that the studio cut out a trans storyline from the show.
42:24
The Pixar series, which will air its first episode on February the 19th follows a coed middle school
42:29
softball team preparing for its big championship game. Initially, the series is slated was slated
42:34
to include a story arc about a player identifying as transgender, but Disney removed those references
42:39
a rep confirmed to the Hollywood reporter. When it comes to animated content for younger audiences,
42:44
we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on
42:48
their own terms and timeline. The Disney spokesperson said in a statement, you frickin think the outlet
42:53
noted that the character will still appear in the show, but the lines about gender identity have been
42:57
removed. Okay, so big takeaways on this one. This is not Disney making a philosophical change.
43:06
Okay, so miss me with that. It's certainly not that. This is them making a strategic business
43:12
decision given the changing climate around the issue. That's what this is. Disney is performing
43:18
like a thermometer, not a thermostat when they've been acting like a thermostat all this time because
43:24
they were using again, the Disney has a not so secret gay agenda. You remember those quotes?
43:28
The people that are creating children's content for your children, right? Whether it's on a television
43:33
screen or in one of their parks or on one of their cruise ships, right? They have your kids
43:37
in mind whenever they're pushing the LGBTQ agenda, which comes from the pits of hell. Remember all
43:41
that, right? Okay, but because it's being rejected so mightily, because the most effective of all
43:49
of the Trump ads from the last election cycle was the one about Donald Trump is for you, whereas
43:54
Kamala Harris is about they them, right? So they're just pumping the brakes on this. Disney is going
44:00
to do this again. They're going to do this again. They're going to wait for the dust to settle.
44:05
They're going to wait for, you know, the Democrats to take over the house probably here in a couple
44:09
of years, or they're going to wait for the Democrats to get back in the White House, and they're going
44:12
to be right back to doing this because they are ideologues, which leads me again to my big takeaway.
44:18
Stop me if you've heard this before, but sure guys, keep giving this company that hates you and your
44:24
values a bunch of your money and attention. What else do I have to say to prove to you that you're
44:30
a moron if you keep doing this? You keep spending thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars
44:36
to go vacation there in these places, right? And you just, you know, I don't know, put your hands
44:43
over your daughter's face as you walk by the bearded lady, right? That's in the little place
44:49
that you pay like $8 million to basically have your kid dolled up by a Disney princess. This one
44:54
just so happens have a dick and balls and a beard, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, but sure. But sure. Keep doing
44:59
that, right? Oh, yeah. Keep your Disney plus subscription. That makes total sense. Oh, you love
45:04
Star Wars and you love this and you love that. And then keep turning your brain off parent and
45:09
just hitting play on the thing and then going and taking care of a few chores around the house.
45:13
Because guess what? We know that they cut it out here. We know that they cut out the trans
45:19
identifying teenager in this particular storyline. Do you think we're going to know when they put
45:25
it back in before we allow our kids to see it? Because you've just turned your brain off and
45:30
you've hit play and now you just think everything's going to work out. Okay. Why? Because you like
45:35
Lion King when you were a kid, because when you were a kid, your parents took you to Disney World
45:41
or Disneyland and you had a good old time because you still have some of those old VHS tapes of
45:46
of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Aladdin and all your different favorites from back in the day.
45:51
That's your reason nostalgia. That's why you're willing to risk the toothpaste leaving the tube
45:58
as it pertains to your children and the morality that you're trying to bring them up in. Because
46:03
guess what? If you try to go up against a hegemon that is Disney, you might lose. I don't care if
46:10
you homeschool your kids. I don't care if you have my private Christian school. I don't care if you
46:13
have them in public school, but you have gospel related conversations with them every single day
46:17
on the drive home. If you try to go up against something that has millions of adherence and fans,
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you might lose because at some point they might think, "Well, mom and dad said that this line from
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this particular show or this character arc or these types of things, that's not our morality."
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But I think they might be wrong because all my friends agree with Disney and Disney has millions
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of fans. I mean, could they really have all these cruise ships around the world and could they
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really have billions of dollars flowing through their parks and all these different things if
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they were wrong? I think Disney might be right. Is that crazy of me to suggest that you might be
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on the losing end of that, parents? But yeah, far be it for me to challenge you and your Disney fandom,
47:03
you frickin' dorks. Alright, next quick hitter here. Mark Zuckerberg deciding to axe Meta's
47:08
fact checking program. So this is according to Axios on January the 17th. Meta announced
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Tuesday that it will end its fact checking program on its platforms in exchange for an
47:16
ex-style community notes as part of a slate of changes targeting censorship and embracing
47:22
free expression. Beyond replacing its fact checkers, Meta will bring back more political
47:26
content to its platforms and in restrictions on certain topics out of touch with mainstream
47:31
discourse, Zuckerberg said, like immigration and gender. It will also adjust filters scanning
47:36
for policy violations to only tackle illegal and highly severe or high severity violations.
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Those include topics like terrorism, child sexual exploitation, drugs, fraud and scams
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per a Tuesday release. Additionally, Zuckerberg said the company's U.S. content review team
47:52
will be moved to Texas from California, continuing it will help Meta build trust to do this work
47:58
in places where there is less concern about bias of our teams. Okay, so several big takeaways on
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this one. The first is that Mark Zuckerberg is a pragmatist, but he's also a thermometer, okay?
48:08
If Donald Trump did not win the recent election, if Kamala Harris would have, I can guarantee you
48:14
that this press release would never have happened. There never would have been this change. Zuckerberg
48:19
can kind of see the writing on the wall. He can kind of see that, okay, there are a lot of people
48:23
on Facebook, but that's not where the next generation is. He's trying to make sure that this is a platform
48:28
that can continue to make money. And so he's kind of appealing to this right-wing shift that we're
48:33
seeing, frankly, all over the globe. The next big takeaway on this one is, is if you believe
48:38
everything that Zuckerberg said in this need, I also revealed to you that I have some ocean front
48:44
property in Oklahoma for sale. I literally saw people in the right like, yeah, this is it. This
48:50
is the changing of the tie. This is whatever I'm like, really? You believe Mark Zuckerberg, right?
48:55
A day ago, you thought the guy was perhaps the devil or the at least the Antichrist.
49:02
But now he's okay, because Dana White's on his board of directors now, because he goes to UFC
49:09
events, because he does this press conference. You actually believe this? Because here's the thing,
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it need to remind you about people that are of the left, which Mark Zuckerberg clearly is of the
49:18
left. They will do things like, Oh, we've gotten rid of our DEI program. But when you go look at what
49:25
the program is still doing now, it's the exact same stuff. It's just under a different banner.
49:31
They're not calling it DEI. They're calling it something else. But the same things are happening
49:36
are the things that were happening before, the things that are happening now are the things
49:40
that were happening before. And so perhaps the note system, the X style, the community
49:47
note system is what they're going to go towards. But this idea that they're not going to throttle
49:50
stuff that is, you know, harmful to left wing causes, I think is foolish. But my final takeaway
49:56
on this is, I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is legit, but I just don't buy it right now. I don't
50:02
think we have any any evidence to the contrary. All right, a couple more quick hitters. The Duke
50:07
lacrosse rape accused are finally revealing that she lied about the whole incident. So this is
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according to CNN on December the 14th of last year, more than 18 years after accusing three former
50:17
Duke University lacrosse players are raping her a falsified account she shared in graphic detail,
50:22
Crystal Mangum has admitted she lied about the encounter. In an interview on a web show published
50:27
Wednesday, Mangum apologized to the men and said her relationship with God has made her
50:31
understand why she fabricated the story. Mangum is serving time in prison on second degree murder
50:36
conviction for killing her boyfriend. The timeline of the North Carolina case begins in 2006 when
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Mangum said that she was trapped inside a bathroom sexually assaulted and raped by David Evans,
50:46
call infinity and re-add Seligman at a team party where she performed as an exotic dancer. The men
50:52
were arrested following her allegations. I testified falsely against them by saying that they raped
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me when they didn't and that was wrong. And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who
51:01
believed in me, Mangum said to Katarina de Pasquowal on her show Let's Talk with Kat. I made up a
51:09
story that wasn't true because I wanted validation from people and not from God. So one quick note
51:14
here. I hope she is legitimately a Christian. I hope she has found God, you know, even after
51:19
these allegations and the murder and all that, hopefully, and all of us should pray that she does
51:24
find the forgiveness of Christ and embraces that. But big takeaways on this one. How many young men
51:30
have to have their lives absolutely destroyed by horse that are all too willing to lie about
51:36
their sexual experiences as opposed to just owning up to their hoarseness? How often does this need
51:42
to keep happening? Because yes, all the fake rape allegations do lead to more people being
51:48
at least questioning whether or not when people say it's the boy who cried wolf scenario, right?
51:53
I was raped. Okay. Well, the last five rape stories I've heard about were ones like this or a woman
52:01
knowingly gets drunk, knowingly goes into a room, has consensual sex with somebody, wakes up the next
52:06
morning, feels shame, which she should feels like a whore, which she is in that moment. And then instead
52:11
says, no, he raped me or no, I didn't consent to this, right? And then a guy gets arrested,
52:18
a guy gets kicked out of school. That was kind of the title nine stuff that happened in the
52:21
Obama administration. Like, again, no one ever talks about how they feel bad for the guys because
52:26
this story was incredibly charged at the time. I don't know if you guys remember that back in the
52:29
early 2000s. But again, there was the racial component because it's three well to do because I mean,
52:34
these are lacrosse players at Duke. And so they probably came from nice families, they had nice
52:37
cars, all those types of things. And here's this lowly black woman just trying to make ends meet
52:41
dancing and stripping, right? And then of course, this was a power dynamic because these were men
52:47
of privilege and white privilege. And here's this black woman. And so there's the racial element,
52:51
there was the class element, they're all the things. It just so happened that none of it was real,
52:55
right? None of it was real. Now, they can't say these guys definitely had an issue because
53:02
they were part of a team that paid for an exotic dancer to come in and entertain them. Had they
53:06
never done that, they never would have got caught up in all this, right? So so there is certainly some
53:10
some fault for them. But again, we don't think about these guys that I mean, for how long and
53:15
maybe perhaps to this day, is it hard for these guys to get a job? When somebody Googles her name
53:20
and they're like, Oh my gosh, this guy was accused of rape, I'm just gonna move that application to
53:23
the no pile quietly, right? All because a woman wanted to say this because they thought they might
53:29
get some validation as she said, or maybe they can get some money, or maybe they can write a book
53:33
eventually someday, you know, that type of thing. But my last big takeaway on this one
53:37
is man, we need some Deuteronomy 19 justice in this country. So let me read Deuteronomy 19
53:44
verses 16 through 21. If a malicious witness arises to accuse a person of wrongdoing,
53:50
then both parties to the dispute shall appear before the Lord, before the priests and the judges
53:55
who are in office in those days, the judges shall inquire diligently. And if the witness is a false
54:01
witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his
54:07
brother. So you shall purge the evil from your miss and the rest shall hear and fear and shall
54:12
never again commit any such evil among you. Your eye shall not pity, it shall be life for life,
54:18
eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. So translation here. If you bear false
54:24
witness and you are found to have buried false witness, you are to get the punishment that that
54:30
person would have gotten had they been found guilty. So in this case, right, she's already in prison,
54:36
right for murder, but let's say she wasn't. If we were a serious country about actual justice,
54:42
not social justice, all this stupid class justice bull crap, but like real justice,
54:47
if you were legit about that, and this was found out, she should have got the penalty that these men
54:53
would have gotten if they had been convicted or rape. Now in this country, you can rape a child in
54:57
some jurisdictions and get like 12 months in prison. But for a lot of people, if you rape someone,
55:02
that is a serious sentence, you could get decades in prison, depending on the circumstances and
55:07
things like that. So she should have gotten that. She absolutely should have gotten that. Any woman,
55:12
right? That says that she was sexually assaulted and raped by somebody and lies about it. She should
55:19
have to go to prison for the amount of time that that guy would have gotten. If that were to start
55:23
happening, I think we'd see a lot, a lot of changes with people as it pertains to how they
55:29
can port themselves in an environment with the opposite sex. I think we would see a lot of women
55:34
not actually doing that the next morning when they wake up after doing what they've done,
55:38
what they've chosen to do, they will deal with the shame themselves, maybe cry out to God,
55:44
maybe find Christ in the whole process, but they're not going to try to destroy and burn down an
55:49
entire family tree, right? Because they had sex with one guy and they regret it later.
55:54
That would be awesome. Okay, let's go to the last one here. So there was a video that kind of went
55:59
like sort of viral. But when I watched the video, I had so many emotions with it, like as I was
56:06
watching it, but I think that it literally perfectly shows how women struggle to truly understand
56:13
men. And so this was posted, I believe, on TikTok originally, it was Cindy Thomas and Dan
56:17
Burell or Burl. So let's just watch the whole video here. Hey, what are you doing? I came out to
56:23
check on you. What are you doing? That's where we're working. I'm looking at this. What is it?
56:31
It's it's wire. It's a spool of wire. And I'm almost out of it. Can you see the spool of wire?
56:42
I'm almost out of it. Okay. And I've had this spool of wire for like 40 years. I bought it
56:51
like this along. It's on a piece of it a long time ago, but it's like 40 years of my life.
56:58
It's in the wire that's gone. Does that make sense? This is what's left.
57:03
I'm sorry to hear that and sat for you, but you're wearing your jet's hat. And I'm a little
57:09
concerned right now that you're wearing your jet's hat. I thought that's why you were crying. Okay,
57:14
I'm done. All right. So as you can see there in that clip, you have this guy in some people. Yeah,
57:22
was this a setup? Excuse me. Could have been a setup. I'm not really sure. It looked legit
57:28
enough. So this woman comes out, she's videoing. She thinks her man sitting there crying. And he's
57:33
literally looking at this spool. And you can see he kind of has this moment where he's like,
57:37
no, I'm actually going to share this with her. No, I want to share this with her. I think that
57:41
this is important. And so he starts to open up about this spool and about what it means. Because
57:46
obviously it's not about the spool. It's not about how the spool is almost empty. It's what has he
57:51
used this spool for? This spool is a microcosm of what his life has been like for four decades,
57:58
right? That's why he's talking about it. It's like I've had this for almost 40 years. How much
58:02
work has he done using the wire from that spool? Did he work on a project with his father? We don't
58:09
we don't know any of this. I'm speculating. Did he work on a project with his father? Did he first
58:13
show his son how to do something with some fencing using some of the wire from that spool? Was this
58:18
a gift from his grandpa? Or was this something that he took from a shop somewhere that, you know,
58:22
a mentor gave him? We don't know any of that. But you can tell that there's something very,
58:26
very meaningful to this. And the woman just completely craps all over. I just thought you're out here,
58:32
you know, crying about the jets. Okay, women, I know we've got about 5% of our audiences, ladies,
58:39
it's diminishing, perhaps every week, but we got some killer lionesses. And I'm talking to you
58:43
right now. Okay, so women, do you want to know why men don't open up more? You really want to know?
58:51
It's not because we're emotionally stunted, all of us, right? It's not because, you know, we can't
58:56
get in touch with our emotions. It's not because we were spanked when we were kids, not because,
58:59
you know, we were breastfed, none of that. It's because you act like this.
59:04
It's because when you act like this, when we just crack the door open and let us have a peak inside
59:14
of our brains and hearts, if you act like that, we don't want to do it anymore.
59:19
Because you could tell this guy, he's like, I'm going to crack the door open. I'm going to let her,
59:23
I'm going to let her kind of know what I'm thinking. I'm going to let her into my brain.
59:25
I'm going to let her into my heart. And then this is how she reacted. You could see he
59:30
immediately got disappointed and then he ran to anger, right? He was going to get up and, you know,
59:34
he's going to leave and get out of there. Okay, but also women. Here's another reason why men
59:38
don't open up more. And this happens all the time. So you'll have a woman that will practically
59:44
beg her man to open up and share his feelings. Okay, he normally doesn't take the bait, but in this
59:49
circumstance, he takes the bait and he does so shares his feelings. The woman will somehow
59:54
internalize what the man has said and makes the commentary about her, right? The woman becomes
1:00:01
upset and then the man ends up having to apologize to the woman and console her because he shared
1:00:08
his feelings, which she wanted him to do in the first place. Okay. So if you want to ensure that
1:00:15
men are going to stay closed off, they're going to stay emotionally unavailable that are not going
1:00:19
to give you that relational intimacy that you want, treat them like this woman did in this video,
1:00:24
belittle him, right? Or make everything about you and your personal feelings, because for the most
1:00:32
part in a relationship, the guy's going to be the one that doesn't allow his feelings to dictate his
1:00:37
actions as much as a woman does. I think that's fair to say, right? It's not in all cases, but in a lot
1:00:42
of cases, in most cases, right? But if you ask your man to share and you don't like what he shared,
1:00:48
you need to have some humility, sit back and realize, I asked him to do this. He did this. I
1:00:54
need to deal with my emotions on my own. I just need to thank him for sharing. I need to validate
1:00:59
the fact that it was a good thing that he decided to share with me what he was thinking and going
1:01:04
through in this moment. Okay. And I think that that would do us all a lot of good. All right,
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