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VICTOR MARX | The Dangerous Gentleman (Ep. 626)

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VICTOR MARX | The Dangerous Gentleman (Ep. 626)
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In this episode, Kyle Thompson sits down with Victor Marx, a high-risk humanitarian and author, to discuss the importance of financial health, the impact of abuse, and the call for Christian men to embrace courage in a culture of correctness. They explore the complexities of manhood, the necessity of being a 'dangerous gentleman,' and the transformative power of faith.
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0:58 This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
1:22 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
1:24 Let's get into it.
1:25 All right, guys.
1:26 We've got a special guest on the podcast today.
1:27 His name is Victor Marks.
1:28 I've had a lot of fun on this one today.
1:29 He is a high-risk humanitarian evangelist, author, speaker, filmmaker, and philanthropist.
1:35 I'm not sure I've ever had someone on here that was a high-risk humanitarian.
1:38 We talk a little bit about that in this particular episode, but he has done humanitarian work
1:42 and active war zones in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Southeast Asia.
1:47 And when I talk about humanitarian work, I'm not just talking about taking bottles of
1:51 water to people or things like that, but we're talking about going into very kinetic situations
1:55 and helping out people that can't help themselves, going into situations where people are being
1:59 trafficked and getting them out and taking care of the people that are doing the trafficking
2:04 as well.
2:05 He also, you may have seen this guy on different things online or something like that.
2:09 He has the world's fastest gun disarm.
2:11 He has the world record, so that's where he literally takes the gun from somebody and
2:14 turns it on him.
2:15 So you've probably seen some of those floating around on the internet.
2:18 He's the founder of all things possible ministries, and he has an autobiography called The Victor
2:22 Mark Story, and he also has this new book out now called The Dangerous Gentlemen, A Call
2:26 for Christian Men to Be Courageous in a Culture of Correctness.
2:30 And so the thing about this interview today, because I've told you about this with other
2:33 interviews before, again, I fill out all my questions.
2:36 I kind of get an idea of like, okay, if they just answer my question straight, here's kind
2:40 of the web I'd like to weave and the narrative I'd like to take the audience on.
2:43 But some of my best interviews are where we don't get to a third or even a quarter of
2:47 those questions.
2:48 And that's what this one ended up being today, because there's not really a soft place to
2:52 land with him in his story, because if you've watched his interview on the Sean Ryan show,
2:56 which I highly, highly recommend that you do that, I'm not going to put it in the show
2:59 notes, because I don't know where all you guys listen to these things.
3:01 So because it was multiple episodes on YouTube, but also on Apple podcast and Spotify.
3:06 But just search Victor marks Sean Ryan, and you'll find it, but suffered a tremendous
3:12 amount of abuse, like astonishing amounts of abuse.
3:15 And the thing was he even said in the interview today, he's not going to rehash that.
3:18 Like he did the Sean Ryan thing, he went way deep down the rabbit hole and he's just not
3:22 going to do that again.
3:23 But we were able to talk about this at kind of a higher level about the abuse that he suffered,
3:28 the difference between physical and sexual abuse, and then like psychological abuse,
3:32 because one of his stepfathers systematically electrocuted him.
3:35 One of his stepfathers held him down underwater until he basically was asphyxiated and almost
3:41 drowned.
3:42 He was physically abused by a neighbor and then put into a freezer and was left for
3:47 dead essentially.
3:48 But this guy amazingly found a way to overcome that and Christ saved him and we talk about
3:54 his Christian walk.
3:55 And we kind of meandered into a lot of different areas where we talked about the problems with
3:59 cowardice in our modern culture and how that gets perpetuated and why men should really
4:04 look to become a dangerous gentleman.
4:06 What does that look like?
4:07 And how can we look to Christ as our example of how a man can become that?
4:12 But also the fact that most men are just scared of what it would mean if they actually became
4:16 dangerous themselves and how they should really overcome that.
4:19 But we weaved in and out of a lot of different subject matters.
4:21 I really, really enjoy my time with Victor.
4:23 So guys, without further ado, let's get into it.
4:27 Victor Marx, welcome to the Daunton life of man's podcast.
4:29 It's great to be here, brother.
4:31 Appreciate you having me.
4:32 Now, Victor, I've been practicing all week because I just knew I was going to mess up
4:36 and call you Karl Marx.
4:38 And so like, because I've told several people, they're like, Oh, who are you interviewing
4:41 here?
4:42 They're saying, I'm like, Karl, Mark, Victor Marx, Victor Marx, Victor Marx.
4:45 Has anyone ever messed up and like introduce you at a speech as Karl Marx?
4:50 Not Karl, but I've, you know, I've gotten other things, normally it's the reversal of
4:58 my name, Marx, Victor, and because I kind of have two names, but here's what's interesting.
5:06 My biological dad's name was actually Karl Marx.
5:11 Oh, no.
5:12 Yeah, Karl Marx said it's quite the story.
5:16 He's the only child, Louisiana, my grandmother named them after the doctor who actually, you
5:23 know, miracle birth.
5:26 And boy, later he ended up earning a degree in philosophy and study, like, that's why
5:32 it became a boxer and a cried him in old jujitsu, man.
5:36 Hey, I completely understand that.
5:38 But you know what?
5:39 I made it through the introduction.
5:40 I did mess it up.
5:41 And I have to do it again.
5:42 So go me.
5:43 We are on the right track to start out here.
5:45 But I just got to be honest with you, right from the beginning, Victor, with what I know
5:49 about your story, having read your book, having listened to your other interviews, I always
5:55 look for kind of like a soft place to land as we kind of jump off on an interview.
6:00 But with your story, I mean, it's rough.
6:03 There's nowhere to just land because it's just rough, no matter where you go.
6:07 And so you spent a lot of time talking about the things that we're going to get into today,
6:11 that our audience is used to the rougher things.
6:13 And so I want to just go ahead and start with your childhood because you experienced something
6:19 and you went through something that unfortunately a lot of people have gone through, but your
6:23 experience is obviously unique to you because I think it would be fair to say that you experienced
6:28 extreme amounts of abuse in all ways that a child can be abused.
6:33 And it's shaped how you view the world and shaped the work you do to this day.
6:38 And we'll certainly get more into that.
6:40 But let's go back to your early childhood.
6:43 If you would even paint like, you know, just 30,000 foot view, paint a picture for our
6:46 audience about what it was like growing up, Victor Marks.
6:49 Yeah, you know, it's again, like you said, it's not on typical for families to be busted
6:57 up or dads not to be there.
7:00 And for me, you know, my father didn't claim me as his child when he got my mom pregnant.
7:09 And this is from both their accounts is the night I was conceived.
7:17 He actually put Rosary beads down her throat in a pistol to her head.
7:22 And I've only had one sit down with them both in my whole life.
7:28 And that's what they told me during a lunch.
7:30 I was like, good Lord.
7:34 And you know, my mother wouldn't end up marrying like six times on and my father, you know,
7:44 and look here, here's a deal, neither one of them knew their identity.
7:48 When a person doesn't truly know who they are, they both came from challenge backgrounds.
7:56 You know, you're just hell bent on repeating it.
7:58 My father was spent time at a boy's home as a kid and my grandfather was a professional
8:06 fighter starting with bare knuckle, then went into boxing and was ranked second in the world.
8:13 But you know, his, my dad's parents didn't make it and my mom's followed it and, you
8:20 know, really claim her in the sense of he had another family.
8:25 So yeah, it was unfortunate and a lot of instability.
8:31 And then my mother, the next man she made after my dad was, he was a pedophile.
8:40 And you know, I never said anything Kyle for years, years and years and, and, and actually
8:48 I waited until he was dead. And once he died, man, I was in my gosh, I was in my thirties,
8:57 you know, and late thirties and I was like, and I only started talking about it because
9:04 my relationship with the Lord kind of warranted it where I felt like I was saying, yeah, I'm
9:13 going to use your story in a redemptive way to give other people hope.
9:17 So that's it. And, you know, I was on the Sean Ryan podcast. And that's where I told it
9:24 all. And I told my wife and Sean, I said, this is it. I'm never going through this again.
9:29 I spent five hours with him. But like one, there's one clip that had like 22 million views.
9:37 And I remember a, a dev group guy contacted me like the next day, a team six, and he's
9:43 just like, Hey, man, can we talk? Like, of course. So it definitely struck a chord in
9:52 people's hearts to give hope of someone who, you know, suffered abuse and there was torture.
9:59 And I was left for dead in a commercial cooler. So I can say about all that is, but God, regardless
10:10 of what you come from, if you allow God to redeem it, and it looks different for everybody.
10:17 But whether for me, you know, 123 visits to trauma specialists, to get my mind working
10:25 the way it should, and faith in Christ, I believe the Bible, and then forgiveness. And
10:36 that's probably the best thing I can tell folks is just forgiveness is getting up your
10:42 right to hurt someone back for hurting you. And revenge boy, revenge is a, revenge is
10:51 a type of lust that can never be fulfilled. Even if you break arms, wood chip people, whatever,
11:02 it's just as good revenge. Not so much. Well, revenge is mind safe. The Lord, I'm pretty
11:09 sure he had a reason for telling us that. And yeah, I think it's a great commercial for
11:13 the conversation that you had on the Sean Ryan show. I think I know the name of the dev
11:18 group guy that reached out to y'all. I'll ask you off air. The thing that I found that
11:24 was interesting about your story. And again, you elucidated it perfectly and you dove
11:28 as far into those stories as you could on the Sean Ryan show. So we're not just going
11:32 to rehash that. Thank you. But I guess for me, having not grown up in an abusive situation,
11:39 the abuse that I was aware of or have become aware of Victor was always, you know, physical
11:44 like beatings or sexual, but you specifically have talked about the psychological torture
11:51 that you went through from from different men that your mom, mom brought into the house.
11:56 And so I know they're a bit of my audience because I've spoken with them and they've
11:59 reached out to me that have experienced things that are at least in the vein of what you've
12:04 experienced. But for for someone like me, who was blessed enough to not go through any
12:08 form of torture, much less psychological, can you help me understand the difference?
12:13 Because there's one thing where you get your, you know, you get beat up right in a street
12:17 fight. And there's another thing where somebody is like almost taking up residence in your
12:21 soul. If that makes sense.
12:23 It does. And wow, really well stated, Kyle, to set this up because, you know, physical
12:30 and physical abuse, you heal from that. And a lot of times you just suffer. That's all.
12:38 I mean, you know, try to get in a fight with a man who was beat as a kid. He's thinking,
12:43 good luck. Yeah, have fun with that. You're about to be my therapy. So, and I'll tell
12:50 you as just functional it is for some dads to beat on their boys or get drunk, whatever.
12:55 That's a dysfunctional way. A lot of times with them, especially older generation saying,
13:00 I've got to make you tough because this is the way the world is. And I remember talking
13:09 to a young man. And well, he struggled with that because his dad, you know, really, man
13:16 would counsel me to fire out of him. But now he's out of the house. And I said, so man,
13:21 you ever been in a fight? He's like, yeah, I said, you ever lose? He goes, no. I said,
13:28 well, that's one way to look at it positively. And, but because again, if someone's being
13:37 pounded on or beat or you're going, well, you know, he's doing like because he doesn't
13:41 love me. Maybe, maybe in his most dysfunctional way, that is his way to show love by God,
13:51 I'm going to make you tough as you can. I don't agree with it. It's better to put kids
13:57 and jujitsu and boxing and, you know, all that. But, you know, for me, the psychological
14:04 aspect, when it's combined with physical abuse, and then there's what I call lies based in
14:15 reality, those are the ones that that will mess with you long term. For instance, I had
14:24 a memory where, and believe me, I man, I tried to set all this stuff off encapsulated. But
14:34 it started coming back. And that's when I knew, because bad stuff in a person's life,
14:42 it's almost like you get good at holding a beach ball underwater. But the moment a big
14:49 wave comes boom, it pops up, and you're like scrambling to push it down. So for me, and
14:56 it's okay. It's like a red light warning in your car. You know, you don't want it, but
15:01 it's saying, hey, something's going up in the noggin. So let me help you out. And God
15:08 made us stay healed. But on the point of lies, like there was an incident where I was dunked
15:12 in a tub. He kept just dung me to tell them, I was just a little kid, and I was trying
15:18 to hold my breath. And finally oxygen deprivation, I passed out. But I woke up to him breathing,
15:25 you know, to resuscitate me. And I'm sure what in a big deal, as far as because it was more
15:31 just like passing out, versus water and taking when I came to he, I'm looking up at him and
15:38 he goes, boy, don't you ever forget, I'm the one that gives you life. Now as a little kid,
15:45 that's me truly believing he could have killed me. So it's the same or being electrocuted
15:52 where, you know, it's if you've ever been shocked, once the shock stops, the joke, you
16:00 don't actually take a breath. Most of the time, it's just air comes out because it's
16:04 trapped. And then why? So when he was electrocuted me very systematically and intentionally knowing
16:15 exactly what he's doing, when he would stop and air would come out, because I saw him
16:20 coming at it again. And I'd tighten up and take a breath. When that air would come out,
16:26 he would say, boy, do you know what sound that is? It's the sound of hope leaving your
16:29 body. So you get these type of, again, lives based in reality, I believe they were engineered
16:39 by forces of darkness. And if I cannot factor in my worldview, evil and demonic, and light
16:50 and darkness, then I would be in a nut house for sure. And and I believe now I've been
16:57 on a psychiatric care. There was a time period where I was taken. I've done Depical Depochine
17:03 Prozac Zoloft with the abuse bar, I'm in and out of the VA. And, you know, but the grace
17:09 of God, I would be in a place. So having that type of mental warfare, and look, to some
17:19 of your listeners and men watching, please don't compare life stories, not [inaudible] contest.
17:29 Because it bothers me a little bit when people go, Oh, man, you know, I had a rough child,
17:35 but it's not bad as yours. I'm like, what it doesn't, you know, if I punch you right
17:41 now and break your nose, you're going to feel that just the same as if I got punched
17:48 in a nose broken 10 times. So a person's pain is relative to their experience. And all pain
17:56 in my opinion is equal. Just the consequences are different, meaning, you know, I punch
18:04 in the nose, but then you cut a finger off of mine. It's like, okay, well, you know, here
18:11 are a girl I rescued, great example. A girl that we rescued our team in Southeast Asia,
18:18 the guy actually cut her hand off after raping her and throwing battery acid on her. And
18:24 it was horrible. But we got her long story short. We actually, I gave her my promise
18:32 we'd catch him. It took us a year. It took us a year and a bunch of money because he
18:38 was wealthy. We found him and we got him. The guy's rotten in a prison right now, horrible
18:44 conditions. But you know, that sweet gal, her name is Nora, and people can find her on
18:51 our website, her stories on there. But Nora's like, she's got the most joy. She's the happiest.
18:58 It's been a few years now. She's actually on staff with us. Her life is so redeem. And
19:05 she got a nub. And I remember pulling the sleeve off her nub. I said, I want to make
19:13 sure you're not faking it. And she's just, she's like, you crazy, man. I said, yeah,
19:20 more than you know. So, but now she helps other girls who've been abused. And it's pretty
19:27 amazing. She actually came to the US did radio shows, spoke out of college, and some folks
19:33 over at MIT made a prosthetic for that's pretty cool to barn a can. So yeah, man, men who've
19:40 suffered rejection of a father, or maybe a good dad who was there, but just didn't connect
19:46 with them. Or whatever it is, just it don't be little, you know, but don't say a victim
19:55 either. That's what I would say. Somebody said, so you survived. He's a survivor. I said,
20:02 well, well, well, I said, I did survive, but I'm not a survivor of a thriver. If I stayed
20:10 in that survivor mode, man, there'll be a lot of things really bad in my life. But I won't
20:17 say that. I won't, I won't play the victim. Well, I want to echo your sentiments on the
20:21 comparison thing, because people will also play the testimony comparison game in the Christian
20:26 world. And so they're like, Oh, you know, I grew up in church. I got saved at a Wanna
20:29 or, you know, vacation Bible school. And so I don't have a testimony like you. You used
20:33 to be a drug addict. You used to be a prostitute. You used to be a porn star, whatever the situation
20:38 is. And it's like, no, no, no, right now, I will say for someone who lived an incredibly
20:44 depraved life, their understanding about their need for a savior might be different
20:48 than yours, because to take care of your depravity and pay it in full, it feels a little bit different
20:54 than the gal that, you know, always sat in the front row in class and never gotten trouble.
20:59 And you know, never told a lie that type of thing. So that would be the one caveat. The
21:03 one thing that you mentioned at the very beginning victor is you were, I forget how you worded,
21:08 but that you were destined to repeat what was happening to you. And when you see any
21:13 abuse situations, and you read any of the literature, it's like this is a generational
21:17 thing that's happening. Very rarely do you see this just literally come out of left field.
21:22 These are things that are generational. These are, you know, you could think of them as generational
21:26 curses or things like that. And so for you, why aren't you repeating this? Like, why are
21:32 you talking to me right now? Because you and I are only connected because of, you know,
21:35 tangential ministry connections. Why didn't you repeat exactly what was happening to you?
21:40 Well, it's interesting. I mean, I can remember, because when I said father was an alcoholic,
21:49 I'm like, I will never drink. I will never drink. Because I mean, the stuff he did when he was an
21:55 alcohol is always connected, right? It's what they call it spirits. I guess what? I'm in the Marine
22:01 Corps drinking, fighting chasing women. All of a sudden now, I'm like, well, I never want to be
22:07 like my biological dad. Well, I'm working as a bouncer. And I've got this rage inside of me,
22:15 and I'm gone. Oh, when it came time to abuse children or women, it stopped. There was something
22:26 in me even before Christ that I said, that's, that's unholy because all other stuff I was doing
22:34 mainly had to do with me. There'd be, there'd be, you know, yes, of course, I would hurt other
22:41 people, but children and women, no way. So I believe a man can say, and it's true. What do you
22:51 think prison? They don't put child molasses with other people. I remember in my 13, because I've
22:58 dealt with a lot of gay members and cartels and, and there's even a code at the time I was working
23:06 with them and doing stuff. And I was like, don't you do, you know, speed, don't you do math? You can
23:14 do a bunch of other herbal stuff, but don't. So, but overall, because I saw my brothers who
23:28 followed some aspects others they broke away from, but the power of God, listen, this is what,
23:37 this is what I don't get. It's a pretty good deal. If God's power, if he says, I'll place my spirit
23:47 in you, and it's the same power that raised Christ from the death, and then the fruits of the spirit
23:53 are all these things. I said, that's what I want, because I can't live a life beyond some of those
24:02 things that are, could definitely get me, and I don't want to be like, unless I have,
24:09 unless I can be transformed. There was a fellow in the Bible, he's a terrorist against Christians,
24:16 Paul, and his name was Saul first, but I mean, Paul was as good as Isis, he was hunting Christians
24:23 down and making sure they died. And he has an encounter with God, the Lord Jesus man, and
24:29 boom, his life changes. So, that's the number one reason I can tell you that is different. I've
24:37 learned to find my strength and my identity. And here's the third thing, this is probably the best
24:44 advice I can give to anybody. Because we live in such a following world, the best chance for men
24:51 to understand their identity is, is get to know God Almighty as a father. Jesus refers to him as a
25:00 father a hundred times, just in one book, it's called the book of John. He says he's a father.
25:07 That was the hardest thing for me to do. When I became a Christian, people would be like,
25:12 God, the father would be like, yeah. And then, you know, I'd be around people like I will and
25:17 daddy. I'm like, it's kind of weird, man. But I'll tell you, slowly coming to understand him
25:26 as a loving father, it's made a difference in my life.
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27:03 And so Victor, to take that a little bit further, I have talked to men that had
27:07 not your story, but a crap dad nonetheless. Every male figure in their life was junk,
27:16 even their coaches just took advantage of bad, bad, bad. And so when you talk about a heavenly
27:24 father, they have that same visceral reaction that you just had like, you can miss me with all
27:29 that father stuff. Or, you know, they were over mother and under father, maybe one of those
27:33 situations. And so the only examples of manhood they've seen are these kind of, you know, limperisted,
27:39 you know, navel gazing men that, you know, aren't strong. And so they know what a strong woman is
27:45 kind of, but they don't understand the order that God gave us of a family where the man is the head
27:50 and the woman is the help that they are different, but equal all at the same time.
27:54 And so go a little further with your advice about, okay, get to know God as God the father,
28:01 God of the, of the God head, God the father, get to know him as your heavenly father. Because
28:07 I've spoken to prisons before Victor and like, that's been one of the most incredible things. And
28:11 what do you want to bet the number of those guys that didn't have a good male role model in their
28:15 lives? Almost all of them experience that. So when I come in there and talk about the heavenly
28:19 father, I take the air out of the balloon and I talk about the fact that most of you guys in
28:23 here have never seen a good example of the father. But just because you're under lock and key doesn't
28:28 mean that you can't still be free. And freedom comes from a perfect heavenly father that would
28:32 never do to you what your earthly father did. But what would be your advice to those guys that just
28:37 like flat out never, they've never seen it. So they don't even know what to look for. Yeah,
28:41 well, they gotta, they gotta want it. They've got to have enough hope that it's real.
28:49 It's like a total fellow the other day. I said, look, man, what if God really is he really has a
28:56 fathering heart? Because and when you think of father, you have to think in terms of the perfect
29:05 father, not not just examples you've seen. Because there's two extremes. There's a there's a passive
29:13 lemperist, a dude who managed to coward. And then I do like the term toxic masculinity,
29:22 because there's that extreme guy who's just like abusive, he's a bully. Yeah, he's just a punk.
29:28 But you think about the perfect father, whose children are his greatest concern.
29:41 And when you become a dad, you find out how imperfect you are. And you're like, oh,
29:47 but you realize how much you love your kids. And then you're like, oh, man, this is okay. God,
29:56 if I love this little one this much, you must love me. I can't even. So I like to think of God as a
30:04 father, like I am me, none other people, and how I consider the perfect if I was a perfect dad,
30:15 this is how I would be, right? And, you know, a couple of things.
30:20 My daughter, when she was like 16, 16, I had COVID, me and a couple of teammates had COVID.
30:33 And I just finished being out of base, actually for Carson. And, man, I pushed it, you know,
30:45 I pushed it, I, it could have been better. But I was like, no, no, I can do this. So I throttled
30:51 me and my, one of my teammates. But long story short, now it's pretty sick. I was pretty sick.
31:00 And my daughter tells my wife it's the first time I've ever seen dad, where I don't think he could
31:10 protect us. That's, that's not a small thing, provide and protect. While I was still sick,
31:21 I had my daughter come in, I set up, I said, Hey, I heard what you told mom and I understand
31:28 your apprehension. But I said, I said, sweetie, listen to me, baby girl, it's my embrace in this
31:35 house. First of all, they got to get through our key lines. They got to get through our
31:40 every donacies. But trust me, I don't care. I don't care if I'm dying. Always got enough in me to
31:49 kill a man. And I said, you will never have to worry about that. And I may look at my eyes,
31:55 I go, do you believe me? She's like, Oh, yes, sir. I said, okay, don't ever doubt that. So,
32:00 I liked the idea of a Heavenly Father who is protective of us. And Jesus said, if you've seen
32:07 me, you've seen the Father. So if a man will just read those first four books or listen to them,
32:16 for me, I'm not a good reader. I got enough years on my noggin. I want to be a better reader.
32:26 But I'd say this, I listen to the Bible, I listen to scripture all the time. And
32:34 when I hear about what Jesus did, fashioning a whip, throwing tables over, that speaks of strength,
32:41 because they want no little Ikea tables. Those are all wood. And I go, all right. And yet he's
32:49 saying, hey, don't suffer the little kids that come under me. Don't stop them. And then he's not
32:55 mad when a lady with an issue of blood touches the him. And he goes, whoa, virtue just left. She
33:01 gets healed. And then he said, it's better that a man would have a big old millstone, big boulder
33:09 tied around him and dropped him to the deepest part of the sea than a mess with a kid. I'm like,
33:14 whoa, this is a good dad. This is a dad that every kid should want growing up. But I want him as
33:24 my Heavenly Father now, which allows me to talk to him. Like, I'm not afraid. Even when I sin,
33:32 I just, I was telling someone the day, they're like, what's the best parent you can buy? I go,
33:37 I can tell you where I messed up. And I said, you know, about once a year, I put my hand through
33:43 something. I just, you know, it is what it is. And one of the last times I've been many years
33:54 fellows outside of one incident, but that was someone else. And that was appropriate. But I'd
34:01 say this, I put my festival wall by the door. I was just playing. And my wife and children are
34:08 like, okay, go get a picture. And you know, they're going to hang it over. Like, dad finally reached
34:15 his peak. And that's how I, and then I lean, she's like, Hey, babe, I have a guy come patch up. I said,
34:21 stop, yo. I said, take the picture off. Leave that right there. And I looked at my kids and said,
34:28 this is not a good example of your Heavenly Father. He's perfect. This example of your earthly dad,
34:36 who's who's still being worked on. And I'm sorry if this calls any type of fear, but I would never
34:44 do this to y'all. I would never, this is just me not using my words. And when, but I said,
34:51 leave that hole there to my bride, leave it there. She goes, honey, when people come over, I said,
34:56 I wanted to see it and go, what's that for? And they're going to see, you know, it's about six foot.
35:01 Hi, Danny. I go and then I'll explain because it'll keep me humble and remember.
35:08 Hey, well, there's, there's a lot there. I think one through point of what you said, Victor,
35:14 is, and I can't remember who said it first. I would like to be able to give them credit,
35:18 but it's with your family, with your bride and your children, it's a lie in for them,
35:25 lamb with them. Yes. Okay, lie in for them, lamb with them. Because here's the thing,
35:30 if your children and wife don't know that the lion is around or available, they're insecure,
35:35 because they're like, crap, we're exposed. It's exactly how your daughter is like, oh, shoot,
35:39 out of nowhere. But if all they ever see is lying, then they're, it's impossible for them to operate
35:46 because the level of anxiety is always so high and so ratcheted up that that becomes so problematic.
35:53 But that's the issue for guys that are wired like me. I'm kind of crazy. I got that crazy ginger
35:57 energy. I'm very driven. I'm very, you know, I can get aggro and I have to really think about
36:00 that. But it's like, look, Jesus wasn't only turning over tables, but that was an option.
36:06 And that was premeditated righteous aggression. We have no indication that Jesus can seal
36:10 carry to whip. We, he left, made a whip came back, and it was sustained aggression for a long
36:16 period of time. And it was violence done against animals and people, right? So good property. Yeah.
36:22 And so that's, that's the thing that, but I feel like we lose that thread, Victor, and I don't
36:26 think modern day churches do us any favors. And we'll segue into the dangerous gentlemen here in
36:30 just a second. But I think we've really lost that thread. And if men could just marinate on that one
36:36 thought of lying with them, lamb for them, I think that we could solve a lot of issues. What do you
36:42 think? That's one, it's brilliant. And to just so you know, little Paul's, I really appreciate you
36:49 as a brother and a fellow dangerous gentleman. I appreciate you, college. I just want you to know
36:55 that. Thank you. So I often tell women at events, hey, let your husband out the crowd,
37:08 let him run. He's going to mess up, but it'll be self correcting. But if you keep trying to
37:19 do behavior modification, you'll make him, you'll ruin the lion, you'll make him a little lamb,
37:27 and then you'll push him into being a hamster. And
37:30 the reality is men, kids and women, we've, I mean, we're said this, but they want a protector,
37:42 but they want a man under the authority of God that shows that level of, you know, he's tempered,
37:50 but he's capable of maintenance, you know, power under control. I learned that early on,
37:56 because I got saved while I was in the Marine Corps. So, you know, you either had to do or
38:01 don't as a Christian. So I started going, all right, I'm going to be all in, but the
38:06 meekness and that's where I think the church is messed up through this behavior modification.
38:14 They're like, whoa, are you getting mad? I'm like, well, the Bible says, gee, we're supposed
38:21 to get angry. I wish a lot of men more get angry at the right things, but just don't sin. So that's
38:32 where this psychops of stupid pastors taking scripture and twisting them, mainly because they can't fit
38:42 into a righteous, golly, mortal, masculine man. So they're going to, they're going to kind of
38:49 twist things to make you feel okay with them. And then how does a man come into a church,
38:54 look at that guy and go, that's who I'm supposed to be like, which if pastors are honest,
39:01 a lot of them, because of the ego, we're like, yeah, if you make it up here,
39:05 you know, if you can be like this guy, I'm like, oh, when I speak, I'm like, you better look past
39:12 this broken vessel. You better look right up to Christ, because that's the only one. And I
39:19 explained like a team effort. I said, the quarterback is not more important than the lineman.
39:26 You know, you take one lineman out of the deal, and the body of Christ, we all have our lanes
39:32 to run in. You know, I work with a lot of special operations, folks, and, and you know, for everyone,
39:42 for every operator, let's say in the unit, the support system around that one operator
39:49 is unbelievable. People can't even imagine. So that's, that's kind of the body of Christ.
39:57 But I'm, I'm excited that there is a shift, and there is, because in my generation,
40:05 I got saved in the 80s, it was behavior modification, love Jesus, love Jesus. Whoa, you know,
40:13 so I was kind of always an odd man out, because like, like I went on staff at a church,
40:23 and they put me in a position too quick. Uh, and I, they had me doing counseling. I wasn't even
40:30 married at the time, but this, if you heard this story, it's, I've heard it. Please tell it. It's
40:36 amazing. I'm embarrassed and joyful to tell it all at the same time. I just, because you got no
40:43 my heart fellas. I'm not promoting lain hands on people, but this dude had messed up cheat on his
40:50 wife multiple times. And, and he would come to me and say, Hey, can you, cause his daughter,
40:56 their daughter was in my group, little biopsy group. So I'm at the church. He'd come in and I'd
41:01 get them back together. After a few times of this, uh, the wife calls me and she says, Hey,
41:08 he's high on math. He just got violent. Instead of hitting a wall like me, he hit his daughter,
41:15 the youngest one, a toddler, man, the mom's crying. She says, what do I do? Cause, you know,
41:21 trying to be Christians, I said, you call the police. This is what we do. We use authorities.
41:26 You call the police, call them as for your baby. Uh, if she needs that or take her to the doctor,
41:32 you know, and she says, well, if he comes to the church, I just want you to know what happened.
41:37 Guess what? That fool came to the church and he comes into my office. Uh, you know, and I get
41:42 him in there and he's like, Oh, I don't, you know, I messed up again. And I said, I know your wife
41:50 just called and he's all, Oh, uh, and then he knew he was busted. Like there's no smack talk.
41:58 He was busted and he goes, uh, I don't know what's wrong with me. I said, you hit your toddler.
42:04 You put hands on your little gut. And I, now I start feeling myself as a kid who was abused.
42:12 And you know, it's like, Oh, I try to, it's almost like the
42:15 male Gibson and the patriarch, he wants to keep all that stuff on a little chest and the hidden.
42:22 It's like, I don't want to open that thing. But man, I, I started opening that and he goes,
42:28 he means he's goes, I don't know. It's wrong. He goes, maybe I should be hit. And that was like
42:34 a righteous waiver. So I said, I agree. And I wasn't emotional about it. Just very convinced.
42:42 So I slammed them on the ground and start working them, hurting his feelings. And he's
42:48 screaming in the associate pastor, they Lord told him he comes running in the office. He's like,
42:55 what's going on? You know, vector victory screaming. I want this guy. And he goes, Victor coming. And
43:02 I was a young, again, younger, just out of the Marine Corps. And I was on a black belt team.
43:08 So fighting was a pretty comfortable conflict. And he's like, come here, Victor. And so I come
43:15 on. He goes, Hey, we don't hit people when they come to the church. I'm like, no, no, I know that
43:22 normally. But he said he should be hit. So that's kind of like a legal waiver. And the guy's still
43:28 in the office like, And I tell Taylor goes, let me take it from here. I'm like, Oh, okay. And I
43:37 literally at first, yeah. But don't you think that guy thought twice the next time he got angry
43:44 and balled up his fist? Yeah. Yeah, I won. She divorced him. And too, he never had the opportunity.
43:50 But he did know that in that town, if he ever touched that kid again, I think he had the fear
43:57 of God in him that I would come and rearrange him. And I remember walking down the hall,
44:04 you know, first kind of, you know, in my trouble, she said, I've done that, you know, every pastor's
44:10 office I passed, all these different, they're all like, did you hear? I'm like, yeah, go get
44:16 you some Easter. And so I don't think, I think the legal system and you can't rebuke somebody,
44:25 you know, in church, there's just not the fear. I'm just, I'm reading a book listening
44:32 called God's Generals. And you want to be, you want to be challenged. I've done the healers,
44:38 evangelists, which they're all messed up. I can tell you right now, I'm a bunch of crazy
44:43 people, gives me hope. And then I'm on the revivalists, Jonathan Edwards, you know,
44:53 the Wesley Buzz, I'm like, well, it's unreal somehow tough. These preaches were, and there's
45:02 different levels of tough. You know, a baseball player is not going to be tough as a wrestler.
45:07 Let's just face it. A guy runs a five K fast. He ain't going to be a marathoner necessarily.
45:16 And certainly not an ultra marathoner. And I've worked with guys who are. So there's different
45:21 levels of toughness. And, uh, and I'm just like, man, some of these preachers, circuit
45:29 preachers with on a horse, man, like thousands of miles, I'm like, how in the world? So I just
45:40 think we got to come back to some of this. And guess who's going to do it? The men listening,
45:46 you watching right now, it's you. You're up. I'm getting, I'm getting along the two. My next
45:52 birthday is six zero. And, um, and I'm on like a, I think I can go pretty hard for another 10. And
46:00 then, uh, send my heart back down once I hit 80. And if God gives us, but I mean, my wife and I,
46:10 we're working on every, every, we're just, it's like, I was at this, uh, pal. I spoke to this
46:18 group of pretty wealthy dudes. They haven't come in. And I love them all. It was my first time to
46:24 speak to them. And I said, Hey, are you mission ready? And I'll tell your men right now. Are you
46:29 mission ready physically, most women's firstly, because things can go sideways on our country like
46:35 that? Like kind of wholesale, but individually things can go sideways in your life. Like that,
46:42 a lot quicker. And I'll be surprised if people don't experience them. But I, I told these men,
46:48 I said, Hey, physically, are you mission ready? I said, some of you? Well, some of you just fat.
46:53 I'm gonna tell you like it is you're, and I'm not talking about surgeries or illnesses or
47:00 things that would impede you. Some of you just got lazy. You got wealthy and you got lazy.
47:05 I'm like, come on, man. Can you drag your wife out of a burning house or a vehicle? Can you defend
47:11 your family? And I thought they'd run me out of there, which, you know, I'm always, I speak like
47:19 I'm never coming back. But man, all of a sudden, I'm the most coded guy out of that whole weekend
47:26 with all and there was some good speakers there, man. I was like, dang, but God use my words of
47:32 truth and wrongness and honesty to challenge men to go, look, you just can't come to another event for
47:39 behavior modification and move to need a little bit. You got to be transformed with something so
47:46 radical. Yep. Well, Victor, like whenever I go and speak places, I talk about so our mission is
47:52 equipping men to push back darkness. How do we do that by creating content that forges spiritual,
47:57 mental and physical resilience, not strength, because strength wanes over time. Resilience is
48:01 that toughness, that ability to bounce back. And my style is very similar to yours. My style is
48:05 burn it down and walk away. Why? Because I don't live in your city. And so if you bring me to wherever's
48:10 ville, Tennessee, and you want me to come and speak to your men, guess what? I get to fly home
48:14 tomorrow, right? And so it's like you have to stay here and deal with all the stuff that I got stirred
48:19 up. But if you're not ready with a net, some bottles of water, it's going to be a little bit
48:24 of an issue. And I warn people, I was like, don't bring me in. If you don't want, do you listen to my
48:27 show? Do you know the things that I say? Because it's like, I'm not really concerned about everyone's
48:31 feelings primarily. But also, I think the problem that we see, Victor, and this does go into the
48:36 dangerous gentleman, which I talked about in the introduction, and it's in the show notes, guys,
48:40 we're not going to be able to cover the book because we're just getting into the conversation.
48:43 Part of the issue is that people don't see Jesus the Nazarene as a tough guy. And neither did I,
48:49 because I became a Christian at the age of 15. And I grew up in a Christian home, but it was like,
48:55 I call it country music theology, because you grow up in Oklahoma. You know, your parents vote
49:00 Republican, they listen to country music. So you're a Christian, and because grandma was a Christian,
49:04 right? Like, so you're Christian by dent of birth, right? But at the age of 15, I became a Christian
49:09 for myself. And what I did when I looked around, is I'm like, okay, I'm 15. I'm learning what it
49:14 means to be a man. I'm also learning what it means to be a Christian. And I came to the realization
49:19 that those are just separate things. And so it's like all the godly men are inside the church. God's
49:24 love like prayer, prayer circles and limp handshakes and khakis and all that stuff. And that's fine.
49:29 And if you need prayer, that's where you go. But all the manly dudes are outside the church doing
49:34 man stuff. So they were like lifting weights and killing animals and learning how to shoot and
49:38 learning how to fight and all that kind of stuff. And I thought there's just no crossover here.
49:42 And it wasn't until Victor until my early twenties, when I started reading the gospels for myself,
49:47 and I'm like, hold up, wait a minute, this Jesus dude seems pretty rough. Because like, if you look
49:54 at the timelines, he didn't clear the temple once. He cleared it twice. He cleared it once
49:57 after he did his first miracle of turning water into wine. And he did it once after he
50:02 triumphantly returned back to Jerusalem. This is something that he did twice. He made people so
50:07 mad with the words that he said that they got together to try to kill him. And I've said some
50:12 incendiary things and I've never had a group of people try to get together and try to take me out.
50:18 And so it was like crap, the problem was not that Jesus wasn't a tough guy. The problem is that we
50:23 depict him as if he's not all these, you know, mosaics and all this artwork where he looks like
50:28 this soft feature Danish model in not a Middle Eastern Jew somehow. And he's always just walking
50:34 around real light and just kind of telling people how cute they are and how much their sin's not
50:39 that big a deal and how much he just loves him was he was he and it's like, wait a minute guys,
50:43 it's like, you seem to have gotten the Lamb of God part right, but you've skipped the Lion of Judah.
50:49 He's not 75% Lamb and 25% Lion. He's 100% Lamb and 100% Lion. But we don't do that. We don't talk
50:57 about it. And it's to our detriment. It's certainly to the detriment of the next generation that
51:02 you're trying to get, you know, set up and ready to go Victor. I couldn't agree with you more.
51:07 And that's what would be exciting for men to to find out who the Lord is for themselves.
51:15 You know, I mean, we can shine a light on the path we've been on, but it takes a man being hungry
51:22 for spiritual truth to go. Well, let me check it out. Let me read and be honest. You know,
51:28 there's that comedian actor that's recently got saved. What is his name? He's English.
51:36 Oh, Russell Brand. Russell. The dude's doing Bible studies on his podcast.
51:43 And I'm not checking out his theology because I don't really care right now, right? But he's like,
51:49 Jesus and this I'm like, yeah, and this is a mind blown. Oh my gosh, what?
51:57 Two years ago, whatever, he's sitting on his bed with his computer going, I'm sick of porn.
52:03 Porn has destroyed my life. And he's not a believer. He's just talking about
52:08 he came to the end of himself and realized this is sin. So he started looking at Buddhism,
52:13 right? And all of a sudden he is like, Jesus. Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan gave his life to the Lord
52:22 not long ago. And, you know, you'd see him, you know, potty mouth, Navy's, you know,
52:30 former branch guy and agency. And I loved it because I like, you know, because one I like,
52:38 I really appreciate intellectual honesty. And I don't mind people being passionate.
52:47 Even if we disagree a thousand percent, if they're sincere, if they're sincere, because that
52:53 man, I've got people on my team's Muslims to, you know, I've had atheists. One guy's like,
53:00 you do know him an atheist. We were in Iraq. Do a ministry where I go, you do know I'm a Christian.
53:07 He goes, I said, Oh, I said, look, I didn't hire you as a security detail because of faith.
53:17 We got that part covered, brother. I said, but just do your dang job. You speak four languages.
53:24 You got a ton of experience. And he's like, yes, sir. Got it. And he did excellent.
53:31 So it's just, I love it when guys take personal responsibility to start searching the scriptures
53:42 or finding out more instead of just BS. And you know, oh, I went to church or I read the Bible,
53:49 really, but parts how much would you come up with? It's like, man, just be honest.
53:54 Well, Victor, it's not, it's not how many, it's not how many years you've been a Christian,
54:00 it's how many hours, buddy of mine once said the same thing. And so you have guys that are like,
54:04 I've been a Christian since I was a kid. How many hours have you been a Christian?
54:07 Then that starts getting into how often do you study the Bible, how often do you spend time
54:11 praying how often you spend time sharing the gospel, ministering to people and those types
54:15 of things. It becomes problematic. Well, we're, we discipline ourselves on whatever we want to do.
54:21 Right. Period. Financial, athletics, shooting, whatever fishing, whatever it is, we discipline,
54:34 and we spend time and money on what so I, I always kind of go, man, just be honest.
54:42 You know, you suck at being a husband because well, you're not spending time and effort and
54:49 trying to, how can I love this woman the way she needs to be loved or spiritually? He's like, oh,
54:56 well, she goes, well, why don't you, man? It's actually on you. And with this book, The Dangerous
55:02 Gentleman, look, you hear shameless plug. Pada. Look, I only have one shirt. That's, I just,
55:10 that's okay. You just keep it rotating. It's good. I wash it at night sometimes.
55:15 You know, it's, I believe, because for those who don't know, we, we hunt pedophiles, we have what's
55:25 called the pedophile hunter fund on our website if you want to help us. And I mean, we have super
55:32 qualified train teams. We work at the highest level in through with law enforcement in other
55:39 countries, sometimes military. But we cannot, we can't arrest this problem away. And, you know,
55:54 everybody's like, get a wood chipper. You know, and I'm like, well, in other countries, I've seen
56:01 decisions made where people go away. And for all kinds of things, terrorism and all this. But,
56:14 but I'll tell you, like last year, 31 million images of child sexual abuse, videos, or, you know,
56:24 in the US, and less than 400 prosecutions. So, you know, we developed the think tank brought
56:33 off look guys in the best minds and all this, in my opinion. And I said, how do we, how can we move
56:39 the needle? Just, you know, not photo ops, like some people do, because a lot of people don't
56:46 realize when you see, you know, 27 people arrested for sex, most of those people are going to get
56:51 fined 100 bucks. They got their face in the most of them don't even get convicted. It's they're
56:57 arrested. So it's there's, so here's a three things I would say men, please listen to me,
57:06 because men are the problem, not women. You got your wretched Jezebel's out there who
57:11 will pimp out and set up and groom. The men males are the main problem in this area.
57:19 And the three things is, one, we organization of things possible and, you know, protecting
57:29 children is its task force. Listen, we're only going to go after the worst guys, the guys filming,
57:39 the dads using their kids, guys are actively abusing children. That's where we want to spend
57:49 the bulk of our donations for that initiative, training, equipping, follow up, the justice aspect,
57:59 respect, which it's all expensive. But we want to go after the worst of the wickedness. Two,
58:07 we have to be there. Listen, it's going to be hard for somebody. We have to be there for young men
58:14 struggling with looking at child stuff, because the largest group is 20-something-year-olds. That's
58:24 the fastest growing number of people in the dark way of getting stuff. They're, because they're,
58:30 they're numbed to regular porn. And we're probably going to start like a 1-800 number.
58:35 So guys can call in, nobody knows who they are, and we'll pray with them and counsel them,
58:43 because that doesn't exist, right, because there's so much hatred toward it. And look,
58:48 there's someone who's been abused by a weirdo. So it's, it's possible to help them
58:55 get them off a path of horrible stuff. And then the last aspect, just people say,
59:04 how can we help? I tell guys, stop looking at porn.
59:08 Yeah. Honestly, I get it. I call people, there's the samplers, the strugglers,
59:15 and there's people who just full on in bondage, and it's ruining their life. And I tell people,
59:22 don't sample. You know, when I was a kid, you know, it was the old Playboy book underneath the log
59:28 in the woods where all the neighborhood kids wouldn't look at, oh, a movie. But it's, it's a slippery slope.
59:36 Don't, you know, and then people return to it and, you know, like, oh, I kind of struggle.
59:42 Just know that God, if his spirit's in you and his eyes, he uses your eyes to look at things and
59:50 he don't want to look at the porn. It's, it's, so when you stumble and you fall, man, just instantly
59:58 repent and then don't make a way for it. I tell people, if your smartphone is what's leading into
1:00:04 this, then break it and get a flip phone, get an analog. Do you know my son, my youngest son,
1:00:11 we gave him a iPhone, I think he was 15. After like a couple of months, he brought it back to us.
1:00:19 He's like, no, thank you. The temptation is way too easy. I said, oh, yeah, I said, good on you,
1:00:27 son. And, and he goes, I just want to be, let me be strengthened in that area,
1:00:32 going through all this puberty stuff. And that kid's actually been with me into Iraq.
1:00:39 He actually, he turned 12 there. That's a funny story. He got a birthday in Iraq doing all the
1:00:47 fighting. And he comes up to me and his mom, he goes worst birthday ever. I'm like, oh, yeah,
1:00:55 I let him hold a grenade for his birthday. That's a pretty good present. Yeah. Well, but,
1:01:00 but Victor, like to your point on porn, I've had guys, so many guys reach out to me because I do
1:01:06 an episode at the beginning of every year called how to avoid being a crappy man in 2024, in 2023,
1:01:11 whatever. And there's just a bunch of different things on there like, hey, don't let sports
1:01:14 ruin your night. Hey, make sure you're studying the Bible with a group of other guys. Hey, make
1:01:18 sure you know how to fight. But I always put on there, no porn, no masturbation, because I think
1:01:22 part of our issue with pornography is that we frame the problem improperly. We don't have a
1:01:26 porn problem. We have a masturbation problem because I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if anybody
1:01:31 that just watches porn for the cinematography or for, you know, the acting chops. Yeah. Yeah,
1:01:36 yeah, they're there. Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. They're studying. They're taking
1:01:39 notes. But like, that's the thing. And so I tell guys, because like for, I think I'm on, it's either
1:01:43 14 or 15 years where porn and masturbation has not been a part of my life. And for a guy that is so
1:01:48 driven sexually, that's like impossible. That's like, there basically aren't people walking around
1:01:53 like that. And so that's not for me to to my own horn. But it was like, I realized one day,
1:01:58 because I went to some of these groups, some of these, you know, products groups and these
1:02:02 guys, I made it two way. Yeah, I made it two days. And oh, hey, you know, I did this and I did that.
1:02:07 And I'm like, this, this, these are, there's no overcomers. These are settlers. And that,
1:02:11 and I'm just like, this isn't for me. But one day I realized, I was like, wait a minute,
1:02:14 if I just second Corinthians 10 five and take every thought captive every time I get a boner,
1:02:19 it's like, then probably I'm not going to masturbate. And then I just kept doing that over and over
1:02:23 and over and over again. And guess what? If you're not going to masturbate, you have no need to seek
1:02:28 out the imagery that is going to be your masturbatory aid. And so I think that that's part of our
1:02:33 problem is that we frame things so incorrectly. And it becomes a massive problem. And I do want to
1:02:39 talk a little bit about the dangerous gentleman, because I had a bunch of quotes I wanted to get
1:02:42 to, but all this stuff was great. So you showed the book, The Dangerous Gentlemen, a call for
1:02:47 Christian men to be courageous in a culture of correctness. There's a short quote that I think
1:02:51 kind of elucidates this dichotomy of dangerous, but also gentlemen, it's a short quote. But it's
1:02:57 here in the West, if the secular institutions and the demonic forces controlling them are finally
1:03:01 calling us dangerous, then why not just go ahead and be dangerous? And I was reminded of this
1:03:07 senator that proposed this bill, this new law that would keep people from being able to do
1:03:12 paramilitary training. So if my Glover is going to do a class on how to do a tourniquet and how
1:03:19 to shoot and move and how to get off the X and all that, nope, that's paramilitary activity,
1:03:24 you can't do that. And so it's like, Oh, wait a minute. So daddy government doesn't want us to
1:03:29 be tough and to be able to operate if things go poorly. And if something goes wrong, and if
1:03:35 that the threat is not a foreign threat, but a domestic threat from our own internal government,
1:03:40 weird that they wouldn't want us to all be tough. But I feel like that's kind of the crux
1:03:44 of a lot of the things that you talk about in the book to where it's like,
1:03:47 okay, if you're going to call me these things, I made it as well trained so that you're at least
1:03:51 accurate. Yeah, it's uh, when you were reading the crow, I was like, that's pretty good. Oh,
1:03:58 I said that. Oh, wow. Okay, that's, uh, that sounds good. Yeah, for me, uh, it's just that
1:04:08 deal of we, we've, you know, we've done the yoga deal flexing and getting in contorted positions.
1:04:17 So we don't want to offend somebody. I'm like, I don't give a flying squirrel sack
1:04:24 if someone's offended because I trained for forget about it. It's, it's, uh, no way. Because this is all
1:04:34 new. This type of mentality, uh, I'm offended. Don't call me like, and listen, uh, I posted a
1:04:44 funny thing to do about a trans. Um, and somebody was like, you know, somebody goes, oh, uh, I saw
1:04:53 you were with Caitlyn Jenner. And I'm like, yeah, he's a friend. Oh, you used the wrong pronoun.
1:05:03 I go. Yeah. I go. He's the one that told me, Victor, I don't give an F about pronouns.
1:05:09 And, uh, cause he's, he's actually a friend. He just texted me the other day.
1:05:14 And, you know, what people don't realize about him is, you know, you got to look at everybody.
1:05:24 And this is the balance of being bold. And I'm gonna do it. Look what other people are doing.
1:05:32 Can not Christian men at least live with that level like when Black Lives Matter hit and then
1:05:39 Tifa and all this. The first thing I said about Black Lives Matter, I mean, when it first happened,
1:05:45 I just, I just said, Hey, man, I hope the goodness they don't get corrupted by bad leadership.
1:05:50 Uh, like day one, when it came out, I said, who knows? Maybe it'll be a good movement.
1:05:56 They were corrupt from the beginning, right? Everybody knows it. And then people would be like,
1:06:01 and Tifa's coming out and all this. I go, well, they're doing something. It's all weird and bad.
1:06:12 But man, what, you know, and then the people who were trying to get their point of view,
1:06:18 I go, look, there, that's actually weird faith in action, right? It's a perverted faith in action.
1:06:25 So we as men, nobody should shut us down. It's like, Oh, you disagree with me?
1:06:31 It's okay. It's all right. Yeah. And yeah, believe me, the church, there have been Christian
1:06:36 groups that came after me years ago. Uh, and they're like, Hey, you know,
1:06:43 you all set up a stuff. I go, Hey, look, I don't mind truly passive people. I mean,
1:06:51 men who truly are known and have a conviction of like the movie of that fellow is like, I don't
1:06:59 want to carry a gun. Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah. That's a genuine. It's like what I said earlier.
1:07:06 It's a deeply held genuine belief. And I'm like, man, I support that guy's right to do that,
1:07:14 because it doesn't disqualify him. I don't put him down. He's a stellar warrior to me.
1:07:19 But I said, those of you men out there, Christian man who are coming after me screaming about
1:07:24 Jesus wouldn't do this. Jesus wouldn't. I go, you're just hiding behind a wrong gospel.
1:07:30 Cause you don't want to step up and trust me, there may come a day where it's men like me
1:07:37 that you're going to thank God for. Uh, and Victor, I gotta tell you this. So have you ever heard the
1:07:45 name Shane Clayborn? Yes. So this is a, he is a pacifist, anti gun, Christian activist person.
1:07:55 And so this guy goes around the country and he, he does these events with literally
1:07:59 tens of people and the, he will convince them to bring their firearms up to the stage and to have
1:08:06 them destroyed right there in front of them. And so this was years ago, it'll take me a little
1:08:09 while to unpack this, but I think you'll appreciate it. Um, uh, Justin Briarley with, uh, the unbelievable
1:08:15 podcast where they typically have a debate between a Christian and an on Christian on a certain topic
1:08:19 or whatever, he emails me out of the blue and cause I had done a complimentarian versus egalitarian
1:08:23 debate because they were trying to get me to debate these Christian feminists and the Christian
1:08:27 feminists kept dropping out when they realized that I was going to be on the opposite side of the debate.
1:08:31 Uh, so Kristen Cobay is domain. She still owes me, uh, the Jesus and John Wayne gal. She still owes
1:08:35 me a debate. I'm still, uh, still mad about that one, but he goes, Hey, there's this activist Shane
1:08:39 Clayborn. I know you're a gun owner. Would you like to do a debate on guns? And I'm like, you know,
1:08:45 second amendment and guns and stuff like that isn't even like in the top tennis stuff that I
1:08:48 talk about on the show. But yeah, I'll, I'll go smack him around for a little bit, no big deal.
1:08:52 And I knew it was going to be a quick, uh, quicker than, you know, you can expect type of debate
1:08:57 because there's commercial breaks and there's his talk time and there's a host talk time.
1:09:00 And so I'm like, if this was going to be like two hours, I was going to drag him into deep water
1:09:04 and drown him slowly, but I kind of had to hit him in the face a little bit, you know, pretty quick.
1:09:08 I put him to something cause he lives in Philadelphia and, uh, I put him in a scenario. I'm like, okay,
1:09:13 you don't have any kiddos, but you and your wife are, uh, you know, in your home and, you know, glass
1:09:19 breaks in the middle of the night, there's a problem. What are you going to do? He goes, I'm
1:09:22 going to call the police. I'm like, great. The average response time for 9/11 across the country
1:09:26 is seven minutes. That's if they answer and that's if they don't have a busy signal, but let's just
1:09:30 assume it's seven minutes. So there's seven minutes until help arrives. What are you going to do in
1:09:34 the meantime? Well, I guess I would try to look through the house and see where the person is. I
1:09:38 was like, great. So you go walking through the house, you don't find him, you come back to the
1:09:41 bedroom and he's there. Your wife's in the bed. He's in between you and your wife. Now what?
1:09:46 Well, and he just kind of vacillated and he, you know, did all that kind of stuff. But finally,
1:09:51 I got him to say, well, you know what? I would do anything I could to protect my wife. I'd grab
1:09:56 a chair. I'd, I'd grab this or I'd grab whatever. And I'm like, okay, this is where we, where we
1:10:01 start to agree, Shane. I said, you and I in that scenario, we don't want the fight to be fair.
1:10:07 I don't want the fight to be fair in your favor. You don't want the fight to be fair in his favor
1:10:14 because he's armed. All you have are your limp wrists. And now it's not only your butt, it's
1:10:19 your wife's butt and good luck because he's going to make you watch. But then at the very,
1:10:24 very end, uh, you know, we're trying to paint playing nice at the end of the debate or whatever.
1:10:28 And you know, I said, Hey, you know, I'd love to have a meal sometime. Let's go get a cheesesteak
1:10:32 or something in Philadelphia. But I said, Shane, I promise you that if you and I are sitting across
1:10:37 from a table and someone comes into that establishment looking to do harm, you are going to be hiding
1:10:43 behind a guy like me. And if not for guys like me, guys like you would have no chance of survival
1:10:49 because the odds of you being able to protect yourself and make it out of that situation unharmed
1:10:54 are incredibly low. If you are not prepared before that situation arrives at your doorstep,
1:10:59 because at that point, there's no time to train. There's no time for a prayer circle. There's no
1:11:03 time to call for help because evil, the wolf is now at your doorstep. And that's the thing. That's
1:11:08 the problem that we have. And I know I've kind of gone on a diatribe here, but I want to read one quote
1:11:13 from the from the dangerous gentlemen because I think this is the actual point because the point
1:11:19 we're making is it's not about sincerely held beliefs about pacifism. It's not about that.
1:11:24 It's not about wrong theology that leads to pacifism or any of that. It's about cowardice.
1:11:29 So I want to read this quote. This is my favorite quote from the book. Men who refuse to be dangerous
1:11:34 aren't gentle. They're cowards. Cowardice is not gentle. It's passive violence. Cowardice,
1:11:40 which includes passivity in the face of evil is danger in the wrong direction. Cowards leave
1:11:45 innocent people in the path of evil. The most dangerously bad people in the world are nice looking
1:11:49 folks, men and women who allow evil to advance and put up no fight. You find them in bureaucracies,
1:11:55 workplaces, churches, schools, everywhere. They sometimes make it appear that they are
1:12:00 putting up a fight, but in the end, they give away with plenty of excuses and explanations.
1:12:05 These people may seem conciliatory, moderate, reasonable and peaceful, but they are actually
1:12:10 warmongers in different costumes. They are enablers of wickedness. At least evil people might be
1:12:16 straightforward with you about their motives. Cowards layer deception on top of it. They're not
1:12:23 just afraid of fighting. They're afraid of people. They're afraid people will know that they're
1:12:28 afraid of fighting. I think that's it. I think you have your thumb on the pulse. You're over the
1:12:33 X with that because again, and Jordan Peterson said this, it's like being incapable of violence
1:12:38 doesn't make you virtuous as a man. It makes you worthless as a man because it's an entire concept
1:12:43 of meekness. It's you have the sword, but you leave it sheath until you need to. You don't go
1:12:47 into the bar waving the sword around. The dudes that I trained you jits with, all of our black belts,
1:12:53 these are the most calm alphas you will ever meet in a bar. So when accidentally scuffs their
1:12:59 shoes, oh, excuse me. Sorry. I didn't realize my foot was there. Guys want to start popping off
1:13:03 and going poking people in the chest. They're like, Hey, brother, there's, there's an easier
1:13:07 fight at the next bar. Like, let's just get on with our evening. Would you mind if I paid for
1:13:10 your drink before I left? Like that type of thing, these guys are looking for a fight because they
1:13:15 know what the actual ramifications of real world violence are. I've talked for way too long. Ready
1:13:19 to go. Oh my gosh. I love it. And you know, it's the most capable men that I've ever worked with.
1:13:34 I'll tell you one thing. They never had to tell you how bad they were.
1:13:42 That's no, it's so when you hear men, you know, punk beating their chest and you know,
1:13:51 I asked a young man one time, I just got back from a rotation on a rack and I'm sitting on a
1:14:00 curb in front of a gym eating Chinese food. And this guy comes walking out. He's swole up. He's
1:14:09 ginger. He's wearing a tank top and he wants to buy me and I feel like the Lord wants me to talk
1:14:16 to him. So long story short, I said, Hey, man, he looks over at me. I said, what are you afraid
1:14:21 of? He was what? I said, what are you so afraid of? He goes, I ain't afraid. I ain't afraid of you.
1:14:30 I said, I didn't say me. I'm just old guy lion eating my food. And you know what? He said,
1:14:40 what do you mean by that? I said, no, I believe you'll fight any dude around here.
1:14:44 But you sure seem scared. And I said, has anybody ever affirmed that you got what it takes just
1:14:54 as a man, being like any step back. And he goes, no, I says, well, I train warriors. And I do things.
1:15:06 And I know one when I see one, and I said, you are that man, you don't ever have to try to prove
1:15:14 your value and your metal by looking for something. That's what I mean about being
1:15:21 you're scared that people will think you're not something. And we had a little bit more words.
1:15:27 He's actually thanked me. And he says, what's your name? I told him. And I said, you can Google
1:15:36 my name if you want. There's some stuff out there might help give you better content. He walked his
1:15:42 truck got his truck, googled it. And he was jumping up and down. He was so excited. So I think there's a
1:15:48 lot of young men and men that you never want to try to just be something, like try, just just be,
1:15:59 just like, that's where I'm at. Recognize your weaknesses, your institutes, but never be afraid
1:16:06 to withhold violence because somebody's testing you. I'll close with this today because it's my most
1:16:15 recent and I mean, my gosh, as one friend said, I don't know what it is about you. But there's always
1:16:26 something going on. I go, I know, man, trust me. I think I got a reputation. I try to get rid of
1:16:37 that most men want says, but man, you got a lot of fire for this stuff. Here recently, someone tried
1:16:44 to kill me in the US. And they shot at me. I was watching President Trump steal today kind of
1:16:54 got me a little emotional hearing him talk about the incident. But the guy shot at me through a
1:17:00 tinted window, elevated about a foot above me, and about three feet away. And around missed my eye.
1:17:10 Didn't hit my ears about two fingers away. And but when he shot, he shot through this
1:17:17 tinted window frame, the frame, aluminum full stuff got in my eye. And it cut me. And I was so
1:17:28 grateful that, you know, didn't hit me. But I instantly put my weapon and put my red dot on him.
1:17:35 And it got off the X. And I heard the Holy Spirit say, don't shoot him. And I didn't struggle. I just
1:17:41 put my weapon to lower that is like, okay, I moved many shoots again. I moved to a different
1:17:49 location. My wife calls 911. It was almost it was almost 20 minutes response. But I, you know,
1:17:58 I told my wife, I don't want to kill this guy. But if he comes out of that trailer,
1:18:03 this way, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to engage him. And I'm gonna kill him. Just please be ready.
1:18:10 And, you know, I've had, I've had people tell me, oh, I want to kill him. I just would have killed
1:18:21 him. I go, see, now, I would never say that in any other situation. And I always say,
1:18:27 well, have you ever killed somebody? Because I know what that's like. And it's a pretty permanent
1:18:33 decision. So I could return fire and blast this guy. But I got off the X. He can't shoot me, but I
1:18:42 can shoot him. And hearing God's voice say, don't there's a reason behind it. Now he went on to do
1:18:50 some bad things. It was a five and a half hour standoff. Got arrested and sadly the, you know,
1:18:56 family, people girlfriend, belt him out. And then killing someone killed the girlfriend that
1:19:02 belt him out, shot her face off of the shotgun. And I had to literally go to court a couple of
1:19:08 days ago, because of the second attempt at murder charges against me. But I'm telling,
1:19:14 I just want to tell men, especially young men, don't, don't fight or engage or react,
1:19:21 because you're trying to prove yourself. It's the worst thing. Be, be steadfast,
1:19:29 solid, prepared, know that there are, there are outcomes. And hear the Lord. I know when I've heard
1:19:39 the Lord to say yes. And I know one of her, his parents say no. And he's never felt so
1:19:50 trained like you need to be prepared. Even today, as we record, you know, on this, there was a
1:20:00 shutdown of computer systems, banks and airports, things can go sideways globally pretty good.
1:20:11 And finally, and you know, I love to visit with you more in the future. But you know, we were in
1:20:19 Israel, days after Gaza, we took a team in, because we had access and placement with SF teams there.
1:20:25 And we helped about 6,000 kids with trauma, relief. But you know, the two things,
1:20:31 the two responses I got from so many men who were actually in the cabutes fighting,
1:20:38 I said, how could this happen? I mean, y'all Israel, come on, give me a break, little Hamas.
1:20:44 They said we underestimated our enemy. And we were underprepared. And that's why
1:20:51 thousands have died. It's horrible. And me and another teammate, we actually went into Gaza.
1:21:00 We were the first Americans, the Israelis would tell on us, y'all the first Americans to go in
1:21:06 here with us. And the most important thing I did was pray. Most important thing I did was pray.
1:21:12 So I've encouraged men to be prepared physically, emotionally, and most important spiritually,
1:21:21 because we're all going to die. And I think Trump was that there's a level of humility that
1:21:29 comes with knowing, you know, inches away, or half an inch or a quarter of an inch away from
1:21:38 getting your head rearranged. And he, he publicly admitted it's by God's grace is God. And I do
1:21:46 the same. That's why I did a video for him. I was like, we may not be hard to find. We're just
1:21:54 hard to kill. And that's a level of confidence that you get from walking off the Lord, knowing
1:21:59 the truth, or else, you know, you got no business doing stuff. If you're always worried about dying,
1:22:08 you got to walk in boldness and all these areas. And so yeah, I have, I have good hope for America.
1:22:16 But the change will be through the men, not the women. And that's, that's the bulletproof mindset
1:22:23 that we need. But I mean, Victor, we've gone everywhere in this conversation. We went a little
1:22:27 bit over our normal a lot of time. But I think that we're all the better for it. But that's all
1:22:31 for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? Protect your marriage. Protect your
1:22:37 marriage. Watch our film Unseen War on our website. We have courses I encourage men to take. You can
1:22:43 pay a buck or a million dollars, whatever you want. But the Unseen War eight part course to
1:22:48 understand the spiritual warfare. We have one on marriage. I highly encourage thousands of
1:22:54 gone through it. And as far as marriage, look, learn to fight back to back, not nose to nose.
1:22:59 And if you're a single man, man, the Bible talks about there's great things going to have been
1:23:05 singing us. Practice purity so you don't lose power. That matters. Appreciate you guys and
1:23:12 I appreciate you, brother. Hey, well, we'll have to get you back on to talk about your bride and
1:23:17 everything else y'all got going on. And then, you know, figure out what kind of workout y'all are
1:23:20 doing. Y'all both look fantastic. But Victor, I appreciate you very much. Until next time.
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In this episode, we welcome Victor Marx to the show. He is a high risk humanitarian, evangelist, author, speaker, filmmaker, and philanthropist. He has done humanitarian work in active war zones in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Southeast Asia. He is the Founder of All Things Possible Ministries and has the world record for fastest gun disarm. His autobiography is called The Victor Marx Story and he has a new book out now called The Dangerous Gentleman: A Call for Christian Men to Be Courageous in a Culture of Correctness. In this interview, we discuss the significant abuse he experienced as a child, the difference between physical/sexual abuse and psychological abuse, how he was able to overcome his horrific childhood and not perpetuate the same behavior, how and why he became a Christian, how men can seek their Heavenly Father even though they had/have a terrible earthly father, the problem with passivity and wimpiness in the modern Christian church, why men should strive to become Dangerous Gentleman, how cowardice manifests itself in our modern culture, and much more. Let’s get into it…

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