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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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All right, guys.
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We've got a special return guest on the podcast today.
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His name is Victor Marks.
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I just love having Victor on the show.
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He is a high-risk humanitarian evangelist, author, speaker, filmmaker, and philanthropist.
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He's got to add some stuff to that.
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I don't think he does enough things, but he has done a bunch of humanitarian work in
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active war zones like in Iraq, Syria, North Africa and Southeast Asia.
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He also has the world record.
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You've probably seen this on TikTok or Instagram or somewhere like that for fastest gun disarm.
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So he's like, "Wish him."
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Right?
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Snatch is a gun from somebody.
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It's awesome.
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He's also the founder of All Things Possible Ministries.
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His autobiography is called the Victor Marks story, and he has a new book out.
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This was a book that we talked about with him last year because he has an alum of the
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podcast, episode 626.
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That book was called The Dangerous Gentlemen, a call for Christian men to be courageous
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and a culture of correctness.
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But he's got a new documentary that is out, and again, guys, you can check all this out
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in the show notes, but it's called The Unseen War.
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It's all about spiritual warfare.
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Oh, yeah, we're getting weird today, right?
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And that's part of the problem is talking about stuff like this should not be weird,
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but most of us just think it is, right?
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But we don't have, we don't wrestle and battle against flesh and blood, guys, we're wrestling
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against darkness, right?
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That's who we're going to war with, and most of us don't really know that.
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So he talks about in The Unseen War, he talks about that in The Unseen War documentary.
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And then in this particular conversation today, we talked about, okay, why this documentary?
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Why is the battlefield of our minds such an important thing for us to reckon with?
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Because a lot of us, we don't know we're at war, which means we're behind, right?
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And their thoughts are being put in our heads and they're not, you know, they're either
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our thoughts, God's thoughts, or Satan's thoughts, right?
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And so they got to come from somewhere.
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But also how there's this overwhelming biblical illiteracy right now, and we talked about
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that a lot on the show, but how that really goes into spiritual warfare as well, as well.
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We talk about one of Satan's favorite tools to use is isolation.
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He uses that against us.
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Also using this to go after pastors, not just isolation, but any manner of temptation, because
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if you can take down a great man of God with a large following, then it seems like you
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can take down the people that are there around them.
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And we weaved in and out of a bunch of other different subjects today.
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So I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Victor Marks.
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Welcome back to the show.
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You look fantastic.
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And I heard a rumor that you just recently turned 60 years old.
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That's six with a zero behind it.
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Is that like a requirement from now on?
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You have to wear the sport code or the jacket.
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Is that what kind of has happened?
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I'll complete the car.
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I mean, my wife's like, listen, you are, you were more dangerous, now you're more gentleman.
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You're mixing them.
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So you're going to dress nice.
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You're going to wear a nice watch.
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Okay.
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You're going to trim your beard and when you're in public face, I'm like, I'm like, yes,
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ma'am.
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Does at least have like a little bend to it?
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You got a little flexibility there in the shoulders to where you can like, you know, sneak in,
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look out if you needed to.
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Actually, I actually trained in these, this is this is from a where to get this babe.
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Y'all made me shop.
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State Liberty.
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I'm going to shout out state and liberty, which is kind of a young man's super cool sport.
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But yeah, I actually trained drawing, shooting, blade work in jackets and what I wear when
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I'm in public.
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It's, it's the most comfortable code I've ever got.
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See in Liberty.
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All right.
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We'll shout out.
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And again, this is your second time on the show.
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I don't know if you know this, but we do have a frequent visitors punch card that I need
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to send you in the mail because once you get your fifth appearance, you get your six one
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free on the show.
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So this is number two.
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So we're working our way there.
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I feel like we're moving forward.
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Hey, let me say something to Kyle, your program.
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You're like really respected.
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I mean, you're not a Sean Ryan.
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You're not a Joe Rogan.
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You're kind of next tier, but you are very respected in this realm.
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And I really didn't know it till after the first program we did.
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And people like, Hey, man, I saw you on Carl Townsend's program.
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And I said, really, another person, Hey, really, I'm like, really?
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So good on you.
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I knew it, man.
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And it has to do with that big lion behind you.
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That's actually that looks like a team that looks like our logo on the Dangerous Children's
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Society.
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Yeah, it's similar.
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My buddy, I mean, when we started this, this started even before the podcast, I had a buddy
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put a logo together.
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Like, Hey, lion, a Judah, but you know, I don't want it to be Sue, like, you know, two cartoonish
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or two, like college football, helmetish or whatever like that.
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And so back in 2016, my buddy, Joel Uber shout out to Joel, created this for us.
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And you know, we never thought we'd have anything any use for it.
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Now we got to project it up on walls.
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We got dudes tattooed it on their, on their arms and everything.
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And I appreciate you saying that because again, in this world, you're always compared
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to the top 1%.
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You're compared to the Joe Rogan's and Sean Ryan's and Jocko Williams and all those types
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of guys.
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And the thing is, is I'm not building this from the beginning.
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I built this for an audience of one, right?
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It's cathartic for me to get in front of the microphone and get some stuff off my chest.
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And I never thought I had no illusions that this would eventually become the number one
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podcast for Christian men in the world.
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Like what?
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That doesn't make any sense.
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And then we launched a second podcast with a pastor, Joby Martin out of Florida called
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The Daily Blade.
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It's five minute devotional podcast Monday through Friday.
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And so this is in dude, like Victor, you're, you're our people.
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You know, a bunch of like soft squishy church dudes, they love a lot of the devotional content
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out there because it's real breathy and there's a lot of music in the background and it's
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just real, it's real poetic, right?
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And that's fine.
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Some people have that in their personality, but for the sawed off dudes with cauliflower
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ears and crooked noses and you know, you know, a pistol in the appendix position, they don't,
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they don't want all that they just basically want people like it's five minutes.
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I got you for five minutes, treat it like it's a safety meeting out on a work side, treat
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it like, you know, we're circled up after jujitsu or something like that.
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And I got five minutes to get you some Bible and send you about your business.
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And hopefully that gives you, you know, a thirst for the word and that's what we're out here
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doing.
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And so we're not trying to create huge audiences that I mean, you're telling me about how to
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where do people find that one?
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Yeah, the Daily Blade, it's everywhere.
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So it's on Apple podcast, Spotify and we started January 1st.
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And I mean, it's shot into the charts immediately.
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It got shared around all over the place because we thought it was a pretty good idea.
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Like, Hey, you know, daily devotional five minutes for tough guys, you know, that are
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also Christians and it's so easily shareable because, you know, an hour long podcast, like
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my normal podcast, like, Hey, yeah, that's what if this guy sucks?
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What if he's redheaded?
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I don't like that.
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And then you get rid of it.
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But this is five minutes.
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It's not going to be a waste of your time.
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If it's five minutes and it's just he does a week, I do a week, Matt Chandler came on and
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did a guest week and it's just like, you don't have time to exegete, you know, or like break
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down a Greek verb tense and all that you just don't, it's five minutes.
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And so the daily blade or the daily blade.com and guys all over the world are loving this
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podcast.
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So we got to get it into more years, you know, I love it.
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We on that note, we just started the dangerous gentleman society, which is based offline.
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But we just started, I called it mass mentoring.
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It's a, it's a daily email.
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We call daily mission brief and that's going really, well, we've had a few thousand guys
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sign up, like in the first week or so.
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And it's me riding it just like your five minute devotion.
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And I tell guys, you're not going to read it every day.
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Most guys are not.
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But some days you'll just be like, being, oh gosh, last night I wrote it for today.
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And it was about a guy punching me.
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A guy hit me three times on my deck here at my house and when he was praying for me,
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three punches.
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And my wife was like, she was standing right there and she was like, she couldn't believe
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I didn't throw him over the, remember that, and throw him over the balcony.
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So I just wrote a little, little, that's my little daily things, a little story, scripture.
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Because I know how I am and I have got so much coming at me.
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I sat on with him to full podcast, unless I'm driving or on my mower.
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When I have my, you know, forest gun moments and I'm loving life.
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Well, hey, and I'll tell you, do you know why you have a few thousand guys that have signed
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up for that?
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Do you have an idea?
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Yeah.
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It's because most guys don't have anything to look forward to in their inbox, right?
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It's all work.
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It's all junk.
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It's all spam.
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Yeah.
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But when they get that from you, it's life.
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They're getting a little bit of life because you're taking them back to the Word of God,
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which is the source, right?
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Same thing with the daily blade.
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You got guys, and again, I love Joe Rogan show.
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I love Sean Ryan show.
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I love some of these long form shows, but sometimes guys go to their podcast happening
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like, Oh gosh, a four hour podcast with a guy talking about magic mushrooms.
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Oh, okay.
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I don't know when I'm going to have time for that daily blade hits Monday through Friday
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with posts at like three o'clock in the morning, right?
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And then so when they wake up, it's right there.
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And again, I don't give guys excuses, right?
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So everyone has an excuse to lose.
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I try to make sure guys find an excuse to win.
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And look, I listen to podcast at two time speed.
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So a five minute podcast, that's two and a half minutes, right?
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You can listen to that walking or your trash cans out to the curb and coming back to the
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garage once a week.
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You know what I mean?
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And guess what?
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If you get behind a week, it's 25 minutes worth of podcast, two time speed.
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That's 12 and a half minutes, right?
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Go walk the dog and then you can listen to two weeks worth, you know what I mean?
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It's like we're trying to give guys nuggets of life and also trying to remind them I'm
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not the point.
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Pastor Joby's not the point.
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Christ is the point.
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And guess what?
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If you're not getting the word and you're given every excuse for why you can't read the
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Bible, study the Bible, do it, whatever.
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Okay.
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Then don't do that.
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Just listen to us and then guess what?
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You're going to have that growing hunger and need for the word of God in your life because
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it's not just applicable.
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It doesn't just work.
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It is the foundation to everything we have here.
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You know what I mean?
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It's the truth.
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It's funny.
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You mentioned the two and a half times on my team, guys, they tell me, Oh yeah, I listened
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to everything into my ass, right, they go, including your voicemails to us and I'm sitting
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here thinking, this is a perfect example.
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This is how I talk.
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You kind of live in two and a half speed.
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That's actually true.
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Most guys just talk so fast and I love it.
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I actually think really fast, but something happens when it hits my tone.
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It's like Novocaine and Cajun mixed in them.
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I'm kind of like, Hey, Mike Vic was my favorite college football player and there would be
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times when he would be running in the open field and it would just fall over and I finally
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figured it out.
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It's like, Oh, his legs are too fast for his feet.
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He just kind of falls over.
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And so sometimes my brain is going way too fast from my mouth and so sometimes I'll miss
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speak or won't be as clear as I wish and I'll listen to it back and I'll be like, Oh, dummy,
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you actually went to school, but nobody would be able to convict you of that in court.
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But same thing with all this.
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It's just like, I just got to get it out in the faster I get it out of the, you know,
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easier.
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It's funny because when I listen to someone at two time speed for forever and then I talk
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to them in person, I'm like, okay, come on, let's go man, that is true.
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I love it.
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Well, hey, today we're here doing a little bit of business because you got a new documentary
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out.
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It's called the unseen war.
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I watched it over the weekend.
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By the way, guys, if you can watch the unseen war with a scotch and one hand and cigar in
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the other, it does increase the experience for you.
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So two thumbs up for that, I took a lot of notes while I was, was watching this and it
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was made by your team because, you know, there are so many different subjects that you brought
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up that are all diatribes that I've gone on at some point in the 800 podcast episodes
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that we've done.
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But let's just back up.
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Let's start, you know, from 30,000 foot view, why the unseen war, why the documentary?
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Why now?
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Why you guys?
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm, I've called myself the reluctant exorcist and I've just, we just started getting
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put in places for the last just three plus decades of what I would call evil being manifested
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right in front of us.
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That was kind of the first thing.
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And just like fighting our combat, you had better trust the issue when you get your butt
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kick.
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And, and I had to, I had like three levels of understanding spiritual warfare, one that
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it was real.
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It's like, okay, this is really real.
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It's undeniable.
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Two, how do you handle it?
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And I've seen two sides.
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One is really extreme.
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I mean, like every, they're just wanting manifestations and people are looking for it.
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I'm like, that ain't me.
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The other extreme is people's, you know, they act like it doesn't exist.
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But then you watch their life or their church or the, and it's like, wow.
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And then the third phase, which we hit was both started just personally where we had to
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take authority.
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To learn my authority and to learn the rules of engagement against demonic forces, demons
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or, you know, forces of darkness.
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And once I learned that, well, we, we just don't lose.
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And so what you guys did with the unseen war is you're bringing something to the forefront
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that a lot of churches, a lot of pastors, a lot of ministries, either think it's too
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icky, too weird, too strange to reckon with, to talk about openly.
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And you brought on, I don't know what three dozen or so people kind of giving feedback
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on different elements of spiritual warfare, but you kind of alluded to it, their victor.
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Most of us don't know we're in a war, which means we're behind, right?
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And so, you know, Pastor Joby, who I do the daily blade with, he talks about how it's
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so interesting that people call, you know, deer hunting a sport.
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He's like, in a sport, normally both sides know that the game has started, but that deer
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doesn't have any, any indication that this is the morning of first rifle season until
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they start hearing shots going off in the woods, right?
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And so it's not exactly that.
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And he also says, you know, if you try to fight Satan in the dark, you're going to get your
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butt kicked.
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And so it's one of those things that people just, they don't want spiritual war to be
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real.
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They don't want spiritual oppression to be real.
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They think if they just cover their eyes, plug their ears and pretend it's not happening,
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that they're not like having it be an influence on their lives.
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And it's just like, gosh, there's one, it's one thing to be behind.
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It's another thing to still be in the locker room while the game's going on.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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And I think the number one, because I had to, I really had to assess that.
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Why are people so like, I don't hear about it.
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When I speak in churches, I can talk about anything.
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The moment I start talking about the demonic spiritual affair, the devil, you can hear a
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pin drop.
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Yeah.
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And I'm like, there's only one reason why people get quiet or push back or passive.
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They're afraid.
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If we really, I'll say fears in them, one factor, the lack of understanding, which oftentimes
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brings that fear on.
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So, but I just look around and look, my bride and I, we've been doing this a long time.
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And the most pushback we've gotten is from the church.
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And there are reasonable reasons.
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You know, back in the day, 70s and 80s, for sure, 90s, maybe there, this deliverance ministry
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got carried away where people wanted someone to manifest demons and that it was, it was
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a lot of sensationalism is real, but they wanted that to happen so that when the person
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got delivered, they could say, yeah.
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I'm super spiritual, look what I did, which was horrible.
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So God taught us a new way, an effective way.
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It's almost like my Dundas on, you know, I mean, it's been practiced since firearms
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had a disarming person, but yet why do I hold the world record in it?
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Why did I, you know, drill it down to, I think, point, I think it's 0.4 tenths of a second,
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although today is my son's birthday, he's turning 20.
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And he's going to attempt to beat my record for his birthday.
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We're getting on video.
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I was all in his head yesterday and last night, I was like, I'm gonna give you a hug.
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I said, don't, don't tell us, get away from me.
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Just I don't know what you got on you.
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You may be trying to put some bit of drill on my skin.
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So I think our approach and if people wants to film, we call it the retooling prayer.
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You literally can see a person set free from any, I would say, assignments against your
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mind, oppression.
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We never use the word possessed.
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I just, that's, you think of possessed, you think of the exorcists and all these things.
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I just actually visited with the producer.
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We were hanging out at an event of, what's that?
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What's that last movie that came out?
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What's the name that we liked?
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Are you listening to me?
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Are you on your phone, honey?
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Come on.
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What's the movie?
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That's how I handle my woman.
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That's how I talk to my, the one, it just came out.
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The guys in prison, these manifest in a demon, there's a nefarious, thank you.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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So I was using a producer in the Ferris and I go, you guys made it real for people to see
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that it's kind of like the new scoot tick letters, but we got to take it a step further.
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Now what, what do we do now?
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So our approach to prayer, man, it's beautiful because within five to 10 minutes, I can find
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out if a person has assignments against them, when they came, what's the purpose?
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What lies they've been telling the individual?
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And then what the truth is, and the most important thing is what God really wants a
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person to know that he's been trying to communicate to their heart.
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It's supernatural, but I mean, people don't even have to close their eyes.
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They don't have to raise their hand.
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They don't have to try.
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All they have to do is be able to listen.
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And some people are like, well, I don't want to listen and I said, well, you get tempted
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all the time.
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If you've had thoughts that you're like, that's demonic, you know, and so it's better to learn
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how to, you know, who's, you know, who has loved this approach and embraced us more than
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anyone, the special operations community.
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Yeah, they've seen it.
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And they get unconventional warfare.
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I mean, I was in Iraq at a Delta, you know, secret little fob and we were doing some stuff
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and a friend of mine, a colleague of mine, told this operator who was very, very well
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known, legendary at the unit, he's like, hey, you ought to yell at Victor Czechy.
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See, if you have any demonic assignments and this big Viking looking dude, his name is Anders
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and Anders just goes, I know I have stuff.
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Are you kidding me?
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You know, I want, I'm killing people, it's evil over here.
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And I prayed for him and seriously within less than 10 minutes, we identified it.
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This guy was set free.
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I remember his wife telling me, Victor, it changed his life in our family, just our marriage.
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And we all rejoice, you know.
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So yeah, I would just, I'd encourage people, don't push back.
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Don't be passive.
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Don't let fear stop you from learning about it.
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And the unseen film, there's two ways you watch it as a film or do it as a study course.
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And you don't have to be super spiritual, but all we've got some pretty amazing testimonies.
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I posted one on social media, but you know, social media, like 1% of people really get
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to see it, no matter how big the following is, but this guy was in an event.
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And this dude, he actually reminded me of you, he's a pretty stout fellow.
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And he had been in a task force and law enforcement for years.
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And he just had to tell me, in the short of it is his ex-wife that lied about him, kids
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got taken away.
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He was struggling with the drink and he just got to point where he suicidal, that, you
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know, everything was just like, gosh, and he wasn't any strong Christian at all.
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He just kind of got caught up in the world.
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Well, he went to a church and said, I need to talk to somebody.
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Next thing you know, there's an old Marine saying, hey, why don't you come to our new
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Bible study called Warriors for Christ?
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He goes to it eight weeks to go over the unseen war as a, you know, modules at the end of
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the eight weeks.
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They're like, well, does anybody want to be prayed for?
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Everybody looked at this one fellow.
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He's like, yeah, I should be prayed for, boom, he found out there was a demon specifically
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trying to kill him.
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I mean, very specifically making one kill him, so he had been struggling with suicide.
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When, Victor, you see this throughout the unseen war, obviously, you're talking about
26:29
the real battlefield being our minds because a lot of us, we're at battle with our bodies
26:33
and we'll get to some of the physical preparedness stuff a little later.
26:37
But there are thoughts that are placed in our brains that are not thoughts of God.
26:41
They don't come from a place of light, they come from a place of darkness.
26:44
If you believe in spiritual warfare, you know that these come from Satan and his minions
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and things like that.
26:49
I remember, unfortunately, I think most of us have known people that have taken their
26:54
own lives and there was a situation that came up, can't obviously get into all the details,
26:58
but there was a friend who was having some struggles in business which led to some financial
27:02
struggles and all that.
27:04
Really long story short, we couldn't find them.
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There was a lot of angst and anxiety as to where he was.
27:10
We ended up being able to, you know, I was communicating with his wife, she was tracking
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his location on his phone and here I am like stuck in the car line at school.
27:16
If I was driving grave digger, I couldn't have gotten out of the parking lot.
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You know what I mean?
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I was that stuck, right?
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You know, retaining all over here, cars everywhere.
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And I just started getting on the phone, Victor, and this is why I tell guys all the
27:27
time, you got to have a foxhole of brothers of dudes that you can call because if you
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wait until it's too late to develop those relationships, you're not going to be able
27:34
to take any withdrawals out of that, you know, account because you haven't been making any
27:38
deposits, right?
27:39
So I just start calling dudes, right?
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And I call dudes that are in the general area of his house, get two guys headed over
27:44
to his house.
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Well, he had left his house before they had gotten there.
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Okay, we missed him.
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I had gotten four or five guys out of their offices in the middle of the afternoon to converge
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on his location, right, to try to find out what he was doing.
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And long story short, he comes, you know, barreling out of this place.
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He's walking like crazy, I'm in the parking lot waiting for him.
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I know he's in a building.
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I know he's not going to do anything while he's in there.
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His truck's over there.
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I'm parked in the middle.
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I got everybody else in a coffee shop, just in case, you know, I need backup or something
28:13
like that.
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Yeah.
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And he comes be lining out of there, going to his truck, right?
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So I already got my leg hanging out of the truck.
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And so whoop, you know, I kind of take the angle and as soon as he sees me, it's shock,
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it's embarrassment.
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It's Oh my gosh, what's happening?
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It's all those things.
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I just put my arm around.
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I'm like, Hey man, how's it going?
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There you headed and it's love and it's love.
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It's all those things.
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And you know, he basically said, look, I was going home to kill myself.
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What are you doing here?
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Kind of a thing.
28:43
It's like, what?
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And you know, and I just, you know, just say, well, that's not going to happen that we're
28:47
not going to let that happen.
28:48
And I call the rest of the guys out of the coffee shop and, you know, I take his keys
28:52
from him and I'm doing another guy.
28:54
And then I just start, you know, assigning duties, I was like, Hey, you're going to drive
28:57
him home and you're going to wait there until his wife gets there.
28:59
And we also had a team of guys go to his house and clean him out of his weapons.
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And also we said, Hey, brother, we know that we've kind of gotten you calm down and all
29:08
that.
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But if there's one that we didn't find, you better frickin tell us, right?
29:13
And he just basically goes, you know what?
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I had a feeling if you guys found me that y'all were going to clean me out.
29:19
So I hit another pistol in the attic and I'm just like, love it.
29:23
Okay.
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So, Satan is all over that situation.
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That is loved by his bride and his children.
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He is loved by his brothers.
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He is loved by his community.
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He has so much to offer to the world as a young man.
29:39
And yet he had come to the conclusion, a calm conclusion, mind you, that no, this is it.
29:45
Like there's no moving forward from this.
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This hole is too deep to dig myself out of.
29:52
And so when you talk about how the real battlefield is the mind and the thoughts that are put
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there from God, the problem is, is that there's room for those thoughts to even get in the
30:01
door.
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Right?
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Yeah.
30:04
Because you talk about in the, in the documentary, The Unseen War, again, guys, saw on the show,
30:06
notes, go check it out.
30:07
You can, you can get there.
30:08
And by the way, there's no exact amount you have to pay for this documentary.
30:11
It's a donation based thing.
30:12
I think you can buy it for like a dollar, but guys, he's been $10 on, you know, tall coffees
30:17
from organizations that give her a percentage of that to kill babies through Planned Parenthood.
30:21
So maybe you could donate somebody to Washington's documentary.
30:24
But you talk about in the podcast that God's word is the answer to most of these questions.
30:28
And when your brain and your heart and your soul is filled, filled with the words of God,
30:33
there's not a whole lot of room for other stuff.
30:34
There's not a whole lot of time for anything else.
30:37
The victor, we are biblically illiterate as Americans, as Americans, especially Southern
30:42
by living Oklahoma.
30:43
So if I trip and fall, I'm going to land on like four or five churches, right?
30:46
That's just how many, how, you know, covered up we are, but we have a stack of Bibles on
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our bookshelf.
30:51
And if we take one off, we got to blow the dust off because we haven't been, been looking
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at it.
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And then you got these people and other places around the globe, Sub-Saharan Africa in the
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Middle East, parts of China, Southeast Asia, where if you got them a copy of the book of
31:05
John, they would treat that like it was a block of gold, right?
31:09
But here we are.
31:10
We have all these Bibles.
31:11
We have five Bible apps on our phone and we haven't even opened them, right?
31:15
Like, what, what is the deal?
31:16
Is it like the, is it that we don't actually believe it's the word of God?
31:19
Is it that is just something that we think is part of our culture?
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No, I liken it to firearms, we're, we're, we're a nation that has a bunch of firearms,
31:33
but very few know how to use them.
31:35
Sure.
31:36
And a lot of people carry that don't shoot.
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Yeah, um, including police officers, I mean, you know, it's, we can go on and on that American
31:49
hands have become comfortable being a very nice front door.
31:55
Everything looks good, you know, but you open it, there's nothing in there.
32:02
You're just in a backyard.
32:03
It's like a movie set and we, we put a lot of emphasis on the front and nothing once
32:11
you walk through and the enemy knows that.
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So he's comfortable with people buying bibles, uh, shoot going to church.
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Um, all these things.
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He's not comfortable with people knowing and learning how to apply the word.
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The Bible says faith without works is dead.
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So, um, that's what we see.
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And I, I've had a lot of pastors come and guess me and say, you know, you shouldn't
32:45
be praying for Christians like this.
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You shouldn't be.
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I'm like, why?
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Well, you know, we never see it in the Bible just like this and I go, yeah, I don't see,
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uh, passing an offering plate either, uh, or a youth group or if I really want to hurt
33:05
your feelings, we're going to play semantics.
33:08
I've never seen the center sprayer in the Bible, but yet we use that to determine the
33:14
cause of a person's eternity.
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So are those things wrong?
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Nope.
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God uses them.
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So our approach to prayer, I just tell you, but you can, you can do a different.
33:27
The main thing is when a person is hurting, you know, just lives out of order, can't get
33:34
it right.
33:35
They're stuck.
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Man, pray.
33:37
And, um, we've again, we've got so many thousands of testimonies of what God has done.
33:46
And it's not that hard.
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It takes a little bit of faith, but the outcome was incredible.
33:54
So yeah.
33:55
Um, and this is what I tell people about a foot is to mine.
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There's only three places you're going to get thoughts from yourself, your own cognitive
34:06
ability to, you know, oh, I need to work on my name was, I need it.
34:10
Those are eyes, um, or God, if God spirit is speaking to you in any way, uh, well, even
34:22
conviction, it's loving.
34:25
Even as conviction is, is loving can be harsh discipline, but it's loving, but it's it
34:32
going to push it to the cross line away, then the third place is the enemy.
34:37
That's the enemy of our soul.
34:38
And he's accusatory and oftentimes it be you can't, you're not, you won't be able to
34:45
use you.
34:46
And it says it from, get this a third person, you, it's accusatory.
34:51
When you start hearing you that you'd better start the bosses.
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Take every thought captive.
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You better take that though, Captain, go, what the heck?
35:00
That's where most people lose.
35:02
They start entertaining these thoughts and even discussing in your head, like, well,
35:09
I don't, you know, is it really bad that my wife must be brought back in the day when
35:17
I would struggle, like severely struggle, but warfare, mainly because I didn't know what
35:22
it was, or I just was trying to grow because she was way ahead of the curb on me on this.
35:30
She would see me physically just struggling, like, and she would go, Victor, Victor, I'm
35:37
like, what?
35:38
She'd go, are you negotiating with the devil?
35:42
Are you negotiating?
35:44
And I would be like, uh, no, yeah, and she would go, you scripture right now, you scripture
35:53
against it.
35:55
So whatever it was.
35:56
And I honestly, I mean, I couldn't think of no scriptures in the middle of it.
36:01
It's like being on a firefight or rolling on the mat with somebody is far better.
36:09
And you're, you're trying to go, well, wait, what does he do on my leg?
36:14
Wait, hey, you can't think of something if it's not it.
36:18
So my kids actually made me an ammo belt spiritually.
36:23
And it was just cards of scriptures that was laminated.
36:27
And they were holes put in them and put in a big ring.
36:31
And I'd carry that thing in my backpack.
36:34
When I started to feel myself slip in my mind and out of my backpack and I just start saying
36:40
the verses out loud and not everyone worked, but I just keep going until I got relief.
36:47
And for me, my, you know, my case may be more extreme than some because of my abuse is
36:53
a kid and the way my brain at function and drugs and I'd have a hundred and twenty three
37:01
visits to a trauma specialist because of being tortured as a kid left for dead.
37:08
And I would just say, man, if I can do it, anyone can regardless, but you got to be able
37:14
to take thoughts captive and then apply scriptures.
37:18
That's one of the reasons why I think your program is number one, Christian men, because
37:26
you're not just trying to throw stuff out there.
37:29
You're, man, you're directed men to the word the foundation because it's the fundamentals
37:34
that make us the best at anything.
37:38
Dan Horner, Daniel Horner, he's, he's a pro shooter for SIG, but using the Army's marks
37:45
on the ship unit for years, he's the number one instructor, he's the number one shooter
37:50
in the world.
37:52
And I don't think it's even arguably, but he's the chief instructor for Dav Groove shooting
37:58
the unit, other places, and he's our lead instructor and firearms for our ministry and
38:10
our task force, because I'm here in the studio, but we have a right next to us, we have an
38:16
indoor range.
38:18
And he was out here, when he teaches, it's just the fundamentals done perfectly.
38:23
The first time he came out, I was waiting for him to bring a weapon, open a case, lights,
38:29
music.
38:30
He never did.
38:32
Just our team here, go, hey, can I borrow your, it didn't matter what you gave him.
38:36
He pressed check clear and then he'd shoot him, and he was shooting better than any of
38:41
us.
38:43
So then get understand and spiritual warfare, you got to get those basics down.
38:47
I can do all things to crisis, strengthens me.
38:50
Greater is he used in me than he's in the world, right?
38:53
Just scripture that you can say out loud and applied to your mind in order to fight off
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warfare.
39:00
One victor, it's scripture that can be used in the moment.
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So you've alluded to it several times, second Corinthians 10 five.
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So we demolish arguments in every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge
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of God.
39:10
We take captive every thought and make it accountable to Christ.
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Okay.
39:14
Why did I memorize that?
39:15
Because 15 years ago, I had a problem with, so the problem was actually with masturbation.
39:20
People think it's porn problem.
39:21
No, no, no, porn is used because you have a masturbation problem.
39:24
And then there's, you know, steps behind that like, okay, you're trying to fill a hole
39:27
because you're missing intimacy or, you know, whatever the thing is, but let's just stick
39:31
with the masturbation problem.
39:32
So I got guys all time victor, they'll send me this email and it's, you know, they're
39:35
pouring their heart out, right?
39:37
And it all boils down to, I just can't stop looking at porn.
39:41
Okay.
39:42
And they, they buy into the addiction language and they buy into the 12 step addiction model
39:46
like, no, I am, you know, I am an addict.
39:49
I'm all those things like, it's like, actually no, you're not because if I put you in a room
39:52
for 72 hours and I put food and water under the door, you wouldn't die because they're,
39:58
you're not going to die.
39:59
You're not addicted to it.
40:00
You're not dependent on it.
40:01
You like it.
40:02
You're not using it.
40:03
It is a compulsion, but I'm like, and I, I know this gets a little crass for people,
40:06
but this is on Dontalife.
40:07
A man's podcast.
40:08
So if you listen with your kiddos, I'm going to be a little bit straightforward here, but
40:12
I've told guys directly, I'm like, the next time you have a boner and you're thinking
40:16
about opening up your phone and going through the Rolodex of whatever porn site you normally
40:21
go to or going through your mental Rolodex of spiritual experience or like sexual experiences
40:27
or any of those types of things.
40:28
I want you to quote second Corinthians 10 five out loud, which you can't do unless you've
40:34
memorized it, right?
40:35
And let's say you just, oh man, you said it out loud and you still want to throw your
40:39
hand in your pants.
40:40
Well, say it in Spanish, which means you've had to have like memorized it in Spanish,
40:45
memorize it in the NIV and the ESV and the NASB and the King James and the message, which
40:50
isn't even technically the Bible.
40:52
Just memorize it in a bunch of different ways.
40:54
And by the time you run through this five, six, seven times, it's amazing.
40:59
It's like your boner runs away because it's like, oh, I'm bringing the right tools to bear
41:05
at the right moment in because that's the thing is what is Satan like to use?
41:10
He likes to use isolation.
41:11
You talked about that in the unseen war and he's perfect at it with guys because guys
41:15
have bought into this BS that this lone wolf thing is actually kind of like a good idea.
41:21
They'll get like a wolf tattoo on their calf and they're like, I'm a lone wolf.
41:25
I was like, have you ever watched Nat Geo or Discovery channel?
41:29
What happens to lone wolves?
41:31
You doofus?
41:32
They die alone.
41:33
They are put out from the pack.
41:35
Even if they used to be the alpha, they're put out from the pack and they either starve
41:39
to death, freeze to death, or they're killed by another animal.
41:43
Does that seem like an aspirational identity?
41:45
Like, what is wrong with you?
41:47
And so like, again, Satan loves when men are solo, right?
41:51
And I'm not saying you can't go out in the woods by yourself and hunt and think or work
41:54
out in your gym by yourself just so you can have some time to, you know, breathe in and
41:58
breathe out.
41:59
That's fine.
42:00
But if you are isolated, you are that baby deer or sorry, let's see you somewhere else,
42:04
like a gazelle.
42:05
You're a baby gazelle or a wounded gazelle that's away from the rest of the group and
42:10
the lion is going to find you first and Satan is prowling around like a lion that is looking
42:15
to steal, kill, and destroy you.
42:18
So let's talk a little bit about men specifically, Victor, that just think, nah, you know what?
42:24
I got this.
42:25
I don't need guys.
42:26
I don't need dudes, you know, putting their foot, you know, into my business or like grab
42:31
me by the scruff of my shirt or anything like that.
42:33
I got this.
42:34
Yeah.
42:35
Let's say first, let them look in their past, let them look what they've done, where they
42:42
are and be being honest, intellectual, to sense your life.
42:48
And if they've not done well, chances are it's not going to get better being alone and
42:55
trying to operate like that.
42:58
I have the privilege to mentor.
43:02
Now this is, it's my personal calling as an individual, but I mentor what I consider
43:08
like one percenters, men that are in unique places of either influence power wealth.
43:18
And believe me, the one percenter is no more special or better than the 99.
43:26
It's almost like Jesus left a 99 to go after the one.
43:31
But most people don't think is the top one percent of anything as being in need.
43:37
But it's actually the opposite.
43:39
It can be very lonely, very isolating, betrayal is dangerous, and I'm able to speak to and
43:52
with them about issues that they have.
43:57
So the number one thing I find with, then I mentoring that realm is they're pretty lonely.
44:04
They don't have close friends, and they're just out there doing it by themselves.
44:11
And again, I, special operations commanders, generals in the Pentagon, celebrities, extremely
44:22
wealthy people with bees behind their name, and a lot of times they just get more and
44:29
more isolated.
44:30
So, but a person can be a one percenter as a junior hire or a heist color.
44:37
You know, they're challenging life, and the key is to find someone first that you respect
44:45
that will tell you the truth.
44:49
I remember there's a fellow named Charlie Kurt, and we're flying on a plane and he came
44:56
and he said, "Hey, can I sit next to you?"
44:58
I said, "Sure, Charlie, it's your jet."
45:02
And he sits down and he just goes, "I was wondering, would you be one of my mentors?
45:07
I need a mentor like you."
45:09
I said, "What does that mean?
45:11
Because mentorship is friendship.
45:15
When somebody will call out your blind spots," and I said, "I can't waste my time telling
45:20
you how to cow eat some cabbage if you're going to get buttered pretty quick."
45:25
So, man, when you have a friend that will tell you the truth, and that's a gift.
45:32
Now, if they're idiots and they're just trying to speak to you and that's dumb, you don't
45:39
want to be around them, but don't isolate.
45:43
And I choose, man, I think about the wolf story where they've caught captured and killed
45:52
wolves by dipping a big, big blade into a bucket of blood.
46:01
And then when it freezes, they punch it into the ground, the frozen ground, and it's like
46:08
a big popsicle of blood in a draw wolf from ever away, comes, he starts licking it because
46:16
the scent and the taste, and then it goes all the way through until he hits the blade.
46:21
My then his tongue is numb, and then he starts chasing warm blood, hot blood, it's his.
46:31
And it'll keep licking, and then it'll last to reach his tongue until it'll actually bleed
46:35
out.
46:36
That's what I think the enemy does with the men in areas.
46:41
And all this can be short cut and stopped if you're just honest with someone or a group
46:48
of men.
46:49
I got a great friend, Dave Ubank, he's a colleague, he's a, he's a, we're brothers.
46:57
He says, I'm the older brother.
47:00
He never had.
47:01
I'm like, but Dave, I'm actually younger than you, because I know what I kind of, because
47:08
I can run faster than you.
47:12
That's not a big thing, I lost part of my hamstring.
47:15
I mean, here we're in Mosul, moving toward a village house by ISIS, we're in bed with
47:20
somebody.
47:21
We're running down this hill, it was, it was like a movie charge.
47:25
And we, he had a wall and ISIS didn't win, we were able to help some people, but I said,
47:31
Dave, you're running like an old woman.
47:34
I mean, you got to get your knees worked on, he's had so many jumps, and he goes, and yet
47:41
I'm still running faster than you, Victor.
47:44
But, but Dave will tell me, any and everything, and it's a great responsibility when someone
47:54
trusts you enough to tell you everything.
47:58
And, and that's why there are times you want to, my wife is my best friend, and, and my
48:04
bodyguard, because he's a black belt, and she can, she, we start doing archery, she shoots
48:11
better than me in archery, which I'm still kind of aggravated at.
48:17
But there are some things you may not want to tell your wife.
48:20
My wife can hear everything, and I hold back nothing.
48:25
I tell her, women hit only, I tell her if I struggle, looking at some, I mean, because
48:31
that's our relationship, but most women aren't there yet in marriage, and you don't want
48:37
to just pour everything out on them, or what I won't tell my wife everything about is
48:44
everything that God has me doing, pressures, relationships, challenges, you know, I don't
48:50
want to look for her for solutions to everything I have, because she's actually not called
48:57
like I am, we don't have the same calling.
49:01
We run in the same lane together, but we're calling it slightly different, and thank God.
49:08
So protect your wife, but it's good to have a friend you can just call him bellying, you
49:13
know, my brother, while he was still on earth, who died, how old was he, was he 61?
49:23
Yeah, yeah, gosh, just, he turned 60, he won the race of success, or related company, tons
49:35
of money, man, amazing.
49:40
I went to the 60s birthday party, just like I just had one, and he didn't make it, I don't
49:46
think a year, and he had all these plans, but the point being with him is he would call
49:53
a mayor for once in a while, bellying, just like I'd call him, but he'd call me like,
49:59
"Oh, brother, damn, lawyers, businesses," because, you know, he's verified, got a huge
50:05
car collection of which I tried to steal one of his cars.
50:08
The original bullet Shelby, you know, Shelby had signed, and my brother had him, he knew
50:16
I was going to try to steal it, so he took the battery out.
50:20
But I never get it, you know, he'd call me outside in the morning, he'd be like, "Hey,
50:24
brother, what's up, baby, he's just started bellying, you know, and I love that, I love
50:27
that he called me."
50:29
And I didn't have to figure out his problems, I'd just say to this, "Hey, brother, if you
50:34
lost everything today, everything, your businesses, cars, and you're just kind of left with some
50:43
stuff, could you buy a single ride and put it on a piece of property somewhere?"
50:49
A lot, and he'd be quiet, and he'd go, "I think I could get a double ride, brother."
50:58
And we'd start laughing, and I said, "Well, that's what we raised in a lot, so there wasn't
51:04
nothing wrong with that," before you started building huge homes and ranches, but again,
51:12
the need to have a friend or friends you could talk to, and they're rare, and there's got
51:19
to be a real sense of integrity, but there's nothing like a brother at a time of need.
51:27
I was struggling, I mean, struggling physically, emotionally, even spiritually, man, it was
51:36
just the three, oh my gosh, and I called a friend, I said, "Man, I'm in Atlanta, I'm
51:43
in Del Cab County, I'm speaking of law enforcement and church and men, and it's a hell of a county
51:50
down here, some of the worst child abuse."
51:52
I actually asked the chief detective of investigations for child exploitation, I said, "What's the
51:59
answer here?"
52:00
And I forget, they just looked at me and said, "There is not one."
52:06
And I was like, "Oh, it was that intense, but this friend of mine, I just remember praying
52:11
for me, I'm struggling, I am struggling, I just got to get through this, get home."
52:20
You know, he called a flight, flew in, and he stood there every place I spoke, and he's
52:28
just quiet, and he looked at me, and when I'd be done, he bumped me, his walked to the
52:33
car and say, "Two left, two left."
52:37
We go to a hotel, he didn't come to my room, he didn't call me, he knew, like all Victor
52:43
needs is a little bit of oxygen after he speaks, and someone quietly prayed for him, because
52:48
it would have taken too much energy to even visit with him, and then I said, "Oh gosh,
52:54
okay, now I'm done, we got to fly back, man, I can't be around people in my mind."
52:58
That dude brought his plane down, he brought his jet, we loaded up, big jet, ridiculous
53:07
amount, nothing fiscally responsible about it, per hour usage, and he flew me back to
53:14
my home, and he stayed in my town.
53:17
He stayed in my town about five minutes from me, and he just said, "I'm going to be staying
53:25
in that little hotel, doing work for the next couple of days.
53:31
If you need me, call me, text me, I'll come right over."
53:36
You see, that's a level of, they help a one percenter who helps one percenter's needs,
53:44
but prayer is what makes the difference in everything, and it's often times the last
53:51
thing we go to is prayer.
53:54
And Victor, with these men, it's a lot of things.
53:59
It's men that will be honest with you, and that you feel like you can be honest with them.
54:03
It's men that have their egos in check.
54:05
It's men that aren't that impressed by you, so I don't get interrupted very often, because
54:08
I have the weird job, I'm the angry ginger with the mic in front of my face, and I got
54:12
friends that will interrupt me, and I'm like, "Hey, hey, that's against the rules now, but
54:17
they don't care, because they love me, they support me, they're big fans, they're all
54:21
the things, right?" but they also know Kyle the Dude, not just Kyle the podcaster, and
54:27
something that came up recently, sometimes you're in a place where you're just not where
54:32
you can ask the question to get the thing that you need taken care of, but there was
54:36
a guy that was in town that was, he was in town doing some work with me, and while he
54:42
was here, a long story short, he perforated his bow, okay?
54:46
This is a serious situation.
54:48
Two straight nights going to the ER, first night I had nothing's wrong, second night,
54:51
holy crap, we got to get you into emergency surgery.
54:54
And so immediately I'm thinking, "Wait a minute, this guy's got a wife, a newborn kid, he's
54:59
got parents, he was going to be traveling to another city here in a couple of days."
55:03
So here I am, I'm in the room with him where we're getting the ambulance ready to go to
55:08
get him transferred to where he can go into emergency surgery, right?
55:11
And so, what do I got to do?
55:13
Well, I got to call his wife, I got to give her updates, I got to introduce myself, "Hello,
55:17
I'm Kyle."
55:18
Also, here's what's happening, I'm right here with him, call his mom and dad, called
55:22
near the people he was supposed to be going to their house the next day.
55:26
Called his, my tattoo guy, who was supposed to be getting tattooed by the next day, saying,
55:30
"Hey, by the way, he's not rude, he's just not going to be there because he's going
55:33
to be recovering."
55:34
And you know what was happening the entire time I was in the hallway taking care of logistical
55:37
business so that nobody would be out of the loop?
55:40
One of my foxhole brothers, Ryan, was in that room reading Psalms and praying his face
55:47
off with a stranger, he had never met this guy.
55:52
And this, another guy, Adam, well, guess what, when Ryan had to leave, Adam shows up, Adam
55:57
hops in his truck, we follow the ambulance, we go back there and guess what, this guy's
56:02
out of town, he lives in Ohio, he doesn't have anybody here.
56:05
He had me and Adam though, Adam didn't know this guy from Adam and we, you know, no pun
56:11
intended, and here we are, we're with him, we're praying with him before he goes back
56:15
to get surgery, we're praying with the nurses and the doctors, we're the only two people,
56:19
it's a middle of the night, it's one o'clock, two o'clock in the morning, we're the only
56:22
two people in the recovery space waiting for our guy to get out of surgery, right?
56:27
I did not ask Ryan to show up, I did not ask Adam to show up and to stay, but they understood
56:33
the assignment, right?
56:34
You know what I mean?
56:35
And most guys don't have anybody like that, and it's not just most guys generically, let's
56:40
talk about specific guys, let's talk about pastors, because if Satan uses isolation, he
56:45
got a lot of pastors, especially these blue checkmark pastors, these, you know, big sell
56:49
a lot of book pastors and all that, and then all of a sudden they create these churches
56:53
where there's, there's no accountability out all of a sudden, like they don't have, they
56:56
don't have elders, they don't have an elder board that can vote them out if need be, they're
56:59
kind of insulated from all that, they have advisors, right?
57:02
But there's nobody that can kick them out of their position, and the issue is, is that's
57:06
an isolation tactic that you were putting on yourself that Satan's just like, yeah, sure,
57:10
go ahead and take the low ground, I'll be up here on the high ground waiting for you to
57:13
mess up, right?
57:14
And, you know, creating some issues for that.
57:17
But you talk about in the unseen war that Satan goes after pastors like it's a military
57:21
tactic, because yes, if you can make a great man fall, everybody underneath them starts
57:27
questioning whether any of this is real.
57:28
I use Ravi Zacharias as an example all the time.
57:31
He has done some tremendous things in the Christian apologetic space in the, in the philosophy
57:35
space he's helped me personally.
57:37
But if you got saved in an RZIM event, and then now reportedly, allegedly, he was a terrible
57:45
sexual deviant for the majority of his ministry.
57:49
Now you're like, oh my gosh, am I saved?
57:51
Is he actually a Christian?
57:52
Am I, wait a minute, am I a Christian?
57:54
And it's just like all that had to happen was Satan had to get one guy.
57:57
He didn't go after the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people that Ravi Zacharias
58:01
touched, he just had to go after one.
58:04
So let's talk a little bit about that, because I know there are pastors that listen to this.
58:07
We're very, very thankful for your pastors listening to this.
58:09
A lot of them kind of know they're in the crosshairs of Satan, but I don't think they
58:12
all take it as seriously as they should.
58:15
And that's so good.
58:16
You know, Ravi, we knew Ravi, I've spoken at events.
58:22
We've shared the platform together.
58:24
He was my, my bride's favorite apologist.
58:28
And as a matter of fact, yeah, I was just looking at some photos the other day of us.
58:35
And you know, the assumption is that if someone's gifted as a speaker, a communicator, writer,
58:46
whatever, that they're doing good spiritually, personally, it's not the truth.
58:52
It's a, you know, it's the mechanic who can fix your car, but he drives a jalopy, right?
59:00
It's, it's these things where martial arts instructors, we had a saying, don't teach
59:06
yourself out of shape, or you're just instructing, but you're not sparring, you're not rolling,
59:13
you're not testing yourself.
59:15
So Ravi, and I can tell you I'm good authority because it's the realm we work in.
59:20
Probably, you know, he, you know, he struggled.
59:22
He was a predator, so, and it's sad.
59:28
But what happens is you get that isolated.
59:33
And what I do feel for men like him is he, he didn't feel like he could trust somebody,
59:42
one person with his challenges.
59:45
And that's a problem.
59:47
Second, he had a wife that was, I believe, not only disbelieving, but probably passively
59:54
supportive.
59:55
Like, well, whatever you're doing, I don't, you know, just regarding just don't upset
1:00:02
the apple cart.
1:00:03
You know what I mean?
1:00:04
Yes.
1:00:05
Yeah.
1:00:06
And then when you're part of a ministry machine that becomes a business, nobody wants to upset
1:00:12
that, and I think that's what happens to a lot of pastors.
1:00:17
They feel the pressure.
1:00:18
I just was in a recent film, a doctor film, it came out on July 10th.
1:00:23
It's called, what is it called, the business religion, religious, the religion business.
1:00:31
Now I was only one segment.
1:00:33
I haven't seen the rest of the work they do.
1:00:36
I've watched a couple of segments, and my jaw hit the ground because the guy, it was
1:00:43
a 12 year program for them making this documentary.
1:00:48
And, and the basis of it is, is financial corruption within the church, the nonprofits.
1:00:56
And I'll just say this on their social media, a lot of their posts and reels are almost,
1:01:03
you know, it's almost like high schoolers making something, you know, blaming Ken's
1:01:08
Copeland, but the film, what I've seen so far, two of the seven, it's unbelievably professional.
1:01:17
It's like investigative journalism, and I'm going to encourage people to watch it.
1:01:22
Yeah, the religion, the religion business.com, it only streams from, you know, their platform
1:01:30
right now, then it's going to go to Amazon.
1:01:33
But some people are going to hate that film, but I'm like, man, if we don't start taking
1:01:38
care of ourselves in the church, that repulses non-believers.
1:01:42
Why would they want to come?
1:01:44
Robert Morris fell, you know, and it was based on stuff he did years ago.
1:01:48
He should have dealt with that thoroughly here in Colorado Springs.
1:01:52
The largest church is, was, you know, new life Christian and Ted Haggard fell years
1:02:00
ago, his replacement, Brady, Boyd, Boyd Brady, had lunch with him one time, and, you know,
1:02:09
I didn't stay away from professional ministry people, where they're just so, I'm just going
1:02:18
to say professional, that they won't move toward being authentic in some ways.
1:02:23
He just resigned, because he was on Robert Morris's board, and he never, he knew that
1:02:30
Robert had messed with some, you know, messed up stuff early, and didn't say nothing.
1:02:37
So to the pastor, look, don't be an idiot.
1:02:43
Surround yourself with men who will love you, who love God more, but we'll tell you the
1:02:48
truth.
1:02:49
Because if they just love you, one, they're never going to say the truth.
1:02:55
I had a, one of my board members for years, Phil Dart, he was a, he was a lawyer by trade.
1:03:02
Man, I can't tell you how many, and I was a mentor to him.
1:03:07
I mentored this guy.
1:03:09
I can't tell you how many times after board beings, I'd go, you bother me, Phil, because
1:03:18
I know that's why you have me on your board, and I go, I know, thanks.
1:03:24
So don't isolate yourself, and, and don't protect the Institute, and I'm going to say
1:03:35
this on your program.
1:03:39
There are, the church has been shut, but there are a lot of things going to happen.
1:03:46
They're going to really shake the church about sexual abuse.
1:03:52
And whenever there's money abuse, guarantee you this sexual abuse, and it's got to come
1:03:57
out, a purification has to happen, and everybody wants me to hunt pedophiles and disrupt things
1:04:04
until it's their pastor, until it's their board member.
1:04:10
And then it's like, wait, wait, and it's like, so the church needs to be pure.
1:04:16
Not perfect.
1:04:17
There's only one.
1:04:18
That's Christ.
1:04:19
So it's perfect.
1:04:20
Just like men.
1:04:21
It's not about perfection, men, or pastors, but it's about the right direction.
1:04:24
I mean, you blow it, struggle, whatever, just to say, yeah, that's me, I'm struggling right
1:04:31
now.
1:04:32
Repent, and then just get up and move on.
1:04:35
My wife, I remember telling my wife this was, and years ago, it was back when computers
1:04:40
and they were seeing an email, a link, you click on it, and then it would go to another
1:04:45
link, it's how they pulled you into a porn, and I remember, and I went to my wife from
1:04:51
my computer and hand, my laptop, I was like, hey, honey, I said, yeah, I just watched some
1:04:57
newty people doing newty things for far too long, and she, this is my wife, she looks at
1:05:05
me, she goes, what?
1:05:06
So I just clicked the link, I just went at it like a, you know, just a little dog, no
1:05:12
restraint.
1:05:13
And she goes, aren't you teaching at a man's group tomorrow?
1:05:18
Yeah, she goes, aren't you teaching on purity?
1:05:22
I'm like, yes.
1:05:24
And she's like, I mean, she's like, well, didn't you have a human moment of not relying
1:05:29
on the truth and who your identity is in Christ?
1:05:32
Well, you know, repat, get up and move on and go tell those men, they don't have to follow
1:05:38
that example of you following, I just thought, wow, is that easy?
1:05:43
My wife didn't brow beat me, she didn't look at me, she didn't check my computer, just
1:05:47
like, you're a man, you're a godly man, you get us to come to nothing.
1:05:52
It's your choice if you, I pray for you, but, you know, I'm not going to call you.
1:05:57
And certainly not going to brow beat you, wives, if there's any that watch this because
1:06:04
a lot of women watch our programs, the best thing my wife's ever said is honey, lead better
1:06:10
than that, or lead me better than that.
1:06:14
And that's all she says, hey, because what she's telling me is you're, you're a great
1:06:20
godly man, you're a great leader, now walk in that truth, don't believe a lie and don't
1:06:27
take some easy road out.
1:06:29
When I think that's a lot of good advice there and even going back to your point that you're
1:06:33
making about the churches and some things that have come out, there are people that
1:06:36
are nervous about, you know, churches that get exposed because they're afraid, but it's
1:06:42
like, hey, guys, who do you think's in charge of all this?
1:06:44
You think God's surprised that Robert Morris is a sexual deviant?
1:06:48
No, God wasn't surprised.
1:06:50
Like God, God knew about all that and kind of knows everything that comes off of that
1:06:54
that none of us will ever see or know.
1:06:56
And he still loves him.
1:06:57
Right.
1:06:58
He still loves Robert.
1:06:59
Right.
1:07:00
Because I saw a quote the other day, I may butcher it, but it's like, it's like, this
1:07:03
is what the gospel is.
1:07:05
The gospel is is that when Paul got to heaven, he was being cheered by the martyrs that
1:07:11
he killed.
1:07:12
Right.
1:07:13
That's what the gospel is.
1:07:14
Okay.
1:07:15
Wow.
1:07:16
Because that's essentially what it is.
1:07:17
Because people are like, how could someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, who reportedly gave his
1:07:20
life to Christ before he was executed for his horrific, devious, evil crimes, they're
1:07:25
like, how is that even possible?
1:07:27
It's like, because that's how sweet the gospel is, because you sit here in your seat of judgment
1:07:31
and having never killed someone and eaten part of their body and you think that somehow
1:07:36
you're not depraved.
1:07:37
We have different flavors of depravity, different intensities of depravity, but depraved all
1:07:41
the same.
1:07:42
Now, Victor, I got more questions, but we do not have more time.
1:07:45
So I'm just going to leave it with this.
1:07:47
Anything else we can expect out of you out of the near future?
1:07:50
Is there anything else you want to get off your chest before we let you get on with the
1:07:52
rest of your day?
1:07:53
Well, yeah, things that people need to keep an eye on is our ability to reach more men
1:08:04
through our devious gentlemen society.
1:08:08
And again, we'd encourage men to sign up to get our email notifications, our Protecting
1:08:17
Children's Task Force, which is by far the most dangerous thing we do because it's here.
1:08:24
That was, we launched that here in the US.
1:08:28
I did a post on Epstein, and all I said was that list will never come out.
1:08:35
And I've been saying it from the beginning, because the currency of videos and photos
1:08:41
of key people, raping children and abusing kids is the most powerful currency in the
1:08:48
world.
1:08:49
And unless Trump can figure it out, you know, the moment you prosecute someone, you lose
1:08:57
the leverage.
1:08:58
And so that people need to keep an eye on closely with us.
1:09:07
And then just people would be surprised on our online courses that we have for marriage,
1:09:14
for people struggling with porn, all the way up to situation awareness that'll be your
1:09:21
own bodyguard shooting it.
1:09:23
And we want to equip men marriages, want to use this media as much as you can, and our
1:09:30
missions are ongoing.
1:09:32
So if people, they can benefit being cursed by all that, but then I just ask, like, on
1:09:38
a personal note, that they would pray for us, Brian and I, our team, we're expanding,
1:09:44
we've been global, I just, we need prayer because money matters, and we're not broke
1:09:53
as a ministry, but we can't do what we're doing without it.
1:10:00
I mean, right before it came on, I get a text from our safe house in Southeast Asia and
1:10:05
a little girl that we had rescued.
1:10:07
We've been prosecuting this pervert who was, you know, from another country.
1:10:13
I'll just tell you, man, it takes a ton of money on the justice side, which is what we
1:10:21
man, recover is one thing, but we go after prosecutions and that matter so pray for us
1:10:30
in that way.
1:10:31
Because it is a spiritual battle and get close to God, man, I need everyone just get close
1:10:37
to God so we can all run in our lane just like you're doing.
1:10:41
And I appreciate you at town call.
1:10:44
Well, Victor, I appreciate that.
1:10:45
And I thank you for your time.
1:10:46
I think that'll help these guys get closer to God.
1:10:48
We'll talk again soon.
1:10:49
That was great.
1:10:51
There you guys go.
1:10:52
I hope you enjoyed Victor's latest appearance on the show.
1:10:56
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