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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys.
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We've got a special guest on the podcast today.
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His name is Victor Marks.
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I've had a lot of fun on this one today.
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He is a high-risk humanitarian evangelist, author, speaker, filmmaker, and philanthropist.
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I'm not sure I've ever had someone on here that was a high-risk humanitarian.
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We talk a little bit about that in this particular episode, but he has done humanitarian work
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and active war zones in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Southeast Asia.
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And when I talk about humanitarian work, I'm not just talking about taking bottles of
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water to people or things like that, but we're talking about going into very kinetic situations
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and helping out people that can't help themselves, going into situations where people are being
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trafficked and getting them out and taking care of the people that are doing the trafficking
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as well.
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He also, you may have seen this guy on different things online or something like that.
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He has the world's fastest gun disarm.
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He has the world record, so that's where he literally takes the gun from somebody and
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turns it on him.
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So you've probably seen some of those floating around on the internet.
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He's the founder of all things possible ministries, and he has an autobiography called The Victor
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Mark Story, and he also has this new book out now called The Dangerous Gentlemen, A Call
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for Christian Men to Be Courageous in a Culture of Correctness.
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And so the thing about this interview today, because I've told you about this with other
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interviews before, again, I fill out all my questions.
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I kind of get an idea of like, okay, if they just answer my question straight, here's kind
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of the web I'd like to weave and the narrative I'd like to take the audience on.
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But some of my best interviews are where we don't get to a third or even a quarter of
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those questions.
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And that's what this one ended up being today, because there's not really a soft place to
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land with him in his story, because if you've watched his interview on the Sean Ryan show,
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which I highly, highly recommend that you do that, I'm not going to put it in the show
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notes, because I don't know where all you guys listen to these things.
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So because it was multiple episodes on YouTube, but also on Apple podcast and Spotify.
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But just search Victor marks Sean Ryan, and you'll find it, but suffered a tremendous
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amount of abuse, like astonishing amounts of abuse.
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And the thing was he even said in the interview today, he's not going to rehash that.
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Like he did the Sean Ryan thing, he went way deep down the rabbit hole and he's just not
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going to do that again.
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But we were able to talk about this at kind of a higher level about the abuse that he suffered,
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the difference between physical and sexual abuse, and then like psychological abuse,
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because one of his stepfathers systematically electrocuted him.
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One of his stepfathers held him down underwater until he basically was asphyxiated and almost
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drowned.
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He was physically abused by a neighbor and then put into a freezer and was left for
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dead essentially.
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But this guy amazingly found a way to overcome that and Christ saved him and we talk about
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his Christian walk.
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And we kind of meandered into a lot of different areas where we talked about the problems with
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cowardice in our modern culture and how that gets perpetuated and why men should really
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look to become a dangerous gentleman.
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What does that look like?
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And how can we look to Christ as our example of how a man can become that?
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But also the fact that most men are just scared of what it would mean if they actually became
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dangerous themselves and how they should really overcome that.
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But we weaved in and out of a lot of different subject matters.
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I really, really enjoy my time with Victor.
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So guys, without further ado, let's get into it.
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Victor Marx, welcome to the Daunton life of man's podcast.
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It's great to be here, brother.
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Appreciate you having me.
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Now, Victor, I've been practicing all week because I just knew I was going to mess up
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and call you Karl Marx.
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And so like, because I've told several people, they're like, Oh, who are you interviewing
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here?
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They're saying, I'm like, Karl, Mark, Victor Marx, Victor Marx, Victor Marx.
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Has anyone ever messed up and like introduce you at a speech as Karl Marx?
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Not Karl, but I've, you know, I've gotten other things, normally it's the reversal of
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my name, Marx, Victor, and because I kind of have two names, but here's what's interesting.
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My biological dad's name was actually Karl Marx.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah, Karl Marx said it's quite the story.
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He's the only child, Louisiana, my grandmother named them after the doctor who actually, you
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know, miracle birth.
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And boy, later he ended up earning a degree in philosophy and study, like, that's why
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it became a boxer and a cried him in old jujitsu, man.
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Hey, I completely understand that.
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But you know what?
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I made it through the introduction.
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I did mess it up.
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And I have to do it again.
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So go me.
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We are on the right track to start out here.
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But I just got to be honest with you, right from the beginning, Victor, with what I know
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about your story, having read your book, having listened to your other interviews, I always
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look for kind of like a soft place to land as we kind of jump off on an interview.
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But with your story, I mean, it's rough.
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There's nowhere to just land because it's just rough, no matter where you go.
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And so you spent a lot of time talking about the things that we're going to get into today,
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that our audience is used to the rougher things.
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And so I want to just go ahead and start with your childhood because you experienced something
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and you went through something that unfortunately a lot of people have gone through, but your
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experience is obviously unique to you because I think it would be fair to say that you experienced
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extreme amounts of abuse in all ways that a child can be abused.
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And it's shaped how you view the world and shaped the work you do to this day.
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And we'll certainly get more into that.
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But let's go back to your early childhood.
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If you would even paint like, you know, just 30,000 foot view, paint a picture for our
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audience about what it was like growing up, Victor Marks.
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Yeah, you know, it's again, like you said, it's not on typical for families to be busted
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up or dads not to be there.
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And for me, you know, my father didn't claim me as his child when he got my mom pregnant.
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And this is from both their accounts is the night I was conceived.
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He actually put Rosary beads down her throat in a pistol to her head.
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And I've only had one sit down with them both in my whole life.
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And that's what they told me during a lunch.
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I was like, good Lord.
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And you know, my mother wouldn't end up marrying like six times on and my father, you know,
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and look here, here's a deal, neither one of them knew their identity.
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When a person doesn't truly know who they are, they both came from challenge backgrounds.
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You know, you're just hell bent on repeating it.
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My father was spent time at a boy's home as a kid and my grandfather was a professional
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fighter starting with bare knuckle, then went into boxing and was ranked second in the world.
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But you know, his, my dad's parents didn't make it and my mom's followed it and, you
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know, really claim her in the sense of he had another family.
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So yeah, it was unfortunate and a lot of instability.
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And then my mother, the next man she made after my dad was, he was a pedophile.
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And you know, I never said anything Kyle for years, years and years and, and, and actually
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I waited until he was dead. And once he died, man, I was in my gosh, I was in my thirties,
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you know, and late thirties and I was like, and I only started talking about it because
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my relationship with the Lord kind of warranted it where I felt like I was saying, yeah, I'm
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going to use your story in a redemptive way to give other people hope.
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So that's it. And, you know, I was on the Sean Ryan podcast. And that's where I told it
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all. And I told my wife and Sean, I said, this is it. I'm never going through this again.
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I spent five hours with him. But like one, there's one clip that had like 22 million views.
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And I remember a, a dev group guy contacted me like the next day, a team six, and he's
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just like, Hey, man, can we talk? Like, of course. So it definitely struck a chord in
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people's hearts to give hope of someone who, you know, suffered abuse and there was torture.
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And I was left for dead in a commercial cooler. So I can say about all that is, but God, regardless
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of what you come from, if you allow God to redeem it, and it looks different for everybody.
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But whether for me, you know, 123 visits to trauma specialists, to get my mind working
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the way it should, and faith in Christ, I believe the Bible, and then forgiveness. And
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that's probably the best thing I can tell folks is just forgiveness is getting up your
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right to hurt someone back for hurting you. And revenge boy, revenge is a, revenge is
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a type of lust that can never be fulfilled. Even if you break arms, wood chip people, whatever,
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it's just as good revenge. Not so much. Well, revenge is mind safe. The Lord, I'm pretty
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sure he had a reason for telling us that. And yeah, I think it's a great commercial for
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the conversation that you had on the Sean Ryan show. I think I know the name of the dev
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group guy that reached out to y'all. I'll ask you off air. The thing that I found that
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was interesting about your story. And again, you elucidated it perfectly and you dove
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as far into those stories as you could on the Sean Ryan show. So we're not just going
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to rehash that. Thank you. But I guess for me, having not grown up in an abusive situation,
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the abuse that I was aware of or have become aware of Victor was always, you know, physical
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like beatings or sexual, but you specifically have talked about the psychological torture
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that you went through from from different men that your mom, mom brought into the house.
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And so I know they're a bit of my audience because I've spoken with them and they've
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reached out to me that have experienced things that are at least in the vein of what you've
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experienced. But for for someone like me, who was blessed enough to not go through any
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form of torture, much less psychological, can you help me understand the difference?
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Because there's one thing where you get your, you know, you get beat up right in a street
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fight. And there's another thing where somebody is like almost taking up residence in your
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soul. If that makes sense.
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It does. And wow, really well stated, Kyle, to set this up because, you know, physical
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and physical abuse, you heal from that. And a lot of times you just suffer. That's all.
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I mean, you know, try to get in a fight with a man who was beat as a kid. He's thinking,
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good luck. Yeah, have fun with that. You're about to be my therapy. So, and I'll tell
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you as just functional it is for some dads to beat on their boys or get drunk, whatever.
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That's a dysfunctional way. A lot of times with them, especially older generation saying,
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I've got to make you tough because this is the way the world is. And I remember talking
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to a young man. And well, he struggled with that because his dad, you know, really, man
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would counsel me to fire out of him. But now he's out of the house. And I said, so man,
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you ever been in a fight? He's like, yeah, I said, you ever lose? He goes, no. I said,
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well, that's one way to look at it positively. And, but because again, if someone's being
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pounded on or beat or you're going, well, you know, he's doing like because he doesn't
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love me. Maybe, maybe in his most dysfunctional way, that is his way to show love by God,
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I'm going to make you tough as you can. I don't agree with it. It's better to put kids
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and jujitsu and boxing and, you know, all that. But, you know, for me, the psychological
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aspect, when it's combined with physical abuse, and then there's what I call lies based in
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reality, those are the ones that that will mess with you long term. For instance, I had
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a memory where, and believe me, I man, I tried to set all this stuff off encapsulated. But
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it started coming back. And that's when I knew, because bad stuff in a person's life,
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it's almost like you get good at holding a beach ball underwater. But the moment a big
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wave comes boom, it pops up, and you're like scrambling to push it down. So for me, and
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it's okay. It's like a red light warning in your car. You know, you don't want it, but
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it's saying, hey, something's going up in the noggin. So let me help you out. And God
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made us stay healed. But on the point of lies, like there was an incident where I was dunked
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in a tub. He kept just dung me to tell them, I was just a little kid, and I was trying
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to hold my breath. And finally oxygen deprivation, I passed out. But I woke up to him breathing,
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you know, to resuscitate me. And I'm sure what in a big deal, as far as because it was more
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just like passing out, versus water and taking when I came to he, I'm looking up at him and
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he goes, boy, don't you ever forget, I'm the one that gives you life. Now as a little kid,
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that's me truly believing he could have killed me. So it's the same or being electrocuted
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where, you know, it's if you've ever been shocked, once the shock stops, the joke, you
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don't actually take a breath. Most of the time, it's just air comes out because it's
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trapped. And then why? So when he was electrocuted me very systematically and intentionally knowing
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exactly what he's doing, when he would stop and air would come out, because I saw him
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coming at it again. And I'd tighten up and take a breath. When that air would come out,
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he would say, boy, do you know what sound that is? It's the sound of hope leaving your
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body. So you get these type of, again, lives based in reality, I believe they were engineered
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by forces of darkness. And if I cannot factor in my worldview, evil and demonic, and light
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and darkness, then I would be in a nut house for sure. And and I believe now I've been
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on a psychiatric care. There was a time period where I was taken. I've done Depical Depochine
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Prozac Zoloft with the abuse bar, I'm in and out of the VA. And, you know, but the grace
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of God, I would be in a place. So having that type of mental warfare, and look, to some
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of your listeners and men watching, please don't compare life stories, not [inaudible] contest.
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Because it bothers me a little bit when people go, Oh, man, you know, I had a rough child,
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but it's not bad as yours. I'm like, what it doesn't, you know, if I punch you right
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now and break your nose, you're going to feel that just the same as if I got punched
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in a nose broken 10 times. So a person's pain is relative to their experience. And all pain
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in my opinion is equal. Just the consequences are different, meaning, you know, I punch
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in the nose, but then you cut a finger off of mine. It's like, okay, well, you know, here
18:11
are a girl I rescued, great example. A girl that we rescued our team in Southeast Asia,
18:18
the guy actually cut her hand off after raping her and throwing battery acid on her. And
18:24
it was horrible. But we got her long story short. We actually, I gave her my promise
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we'd catch him. It took us a year. It took us a year and a bunch of money because he
18:38
was wealthy. We found him and we got him. The guy's rotten in a prison right now, horrible
18:44
conditions. But you know, that sweet gal, her name is Nora, and people can find her on
18:51
our website, her stories on there. But Nora's like, she's got the most joy. She's the happiest.
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It's been a few years now. She's actually on staff with us. Her life is so redeem. And
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she got a nub. And I remember pulling the sleeve off her nub. I said, I want to make
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sure you're not faking it. And she's just, she's like, you crazy, man. I said, yeah,
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more than you know. So, but now she helps other girls who've been abused. And it's pretty
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amazing. She actually came to the US did radio shows, spoke out of college, and some folks
19:33
over at MIT made a prosthetic for that's pretty cool to barn a can. So yeah, man, men who've
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suffered rejection of a father, or maybe a good dad who was there, but just didn't connect
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with them. Or whatever it is, just it don't be little, you know, but don't say a victim
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either. That's what I would say. Somebody said, so you survived. He's a survivor. I said,
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well, well, well, I said, I did survive, but I'm not a survivor of a thriver. If I stayed
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in that survivor mode, man, there'll be a lot of things really bad in my life. But I won't
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say that. I won't, I won't play the victim. Well, I want to echo your sentiments on the
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comparison thing, because people will also play the testimony comparison game in the Christian
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world. And so they're like, Oh, you know, I grew up in church. I got saved at a Wanna
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or, you know, vacation Bible school. And so I don't have a testimony like you. You used
20:33
to be a drug addict. You used to be a prostitute. You used to be a porn star, whatever the situation
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is. And it's like, no, no, no, right now, I will say for someone who lived an incredibly
20:44
depraved life, their understanding about their need for a savior might be different
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than yours, because to take care of your depravity and pay it in full, it feels a little bit different
20:54
than the gal that, you know, always sat in the front row in class and never gotten trouble.
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And you know, never told a lie that type of thing. So that would be the one caveat. The
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one thing that you mentioned at the very beginning victor is you were, I forget how you worded,
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but that you were destined to repeat what was happening to you. And when you see any
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abuse situations, and you read any of the literature, it's like this is a generational
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thing that's happening. Very rarely do you see this just literally come out of left field.
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These are things that are generational. These are, you know, you could think of them as generational
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curses or things like that. And so for you, why aren't you repeating this? Like, why are
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you talking to me right now? Because you and I are only connected because of, you know,
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tangential ministry connections. Why didn't you repeat exactly what was happening to you?
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Well, it's interesting. I mean, I can remember, because when I said father was an alcoholic,
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I'm like, I will never drink. I will never drink. Because I mean, the stuff he did when he was an
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alcohol is always connected, right? It's what they call it spirits. I guess what? I'm in the Marine
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Corps drinking, fighting chasing women. All of a sudden now, I'm like, well, I never want to be
22:07
like my biological dad. Well, I'm working as a bouncer. And I've got this rage inside of me,
22:15
and I'm gone. Oh, when it came time to abuse children or women, it stopped. There was something
22:26
in me even before Christ that I said, that's, that's unholy because all other stuff I was doing
22:34
mainly had to do with me. There'd be, there'd be, you know, yes, of course, I would hurt other
22:41
people, but children and women, no way. So I believe a man can say, and it's true. What do you
22:51
think prison? They don't put child molasses with other people. I remember in my 13, because I've
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dealt with a lot of gay members and cartels and, and there's even a code at the time I was working
23:06
with them and doing stuff. And I was like, don't you do, you know, speed, don't you do math? You can
23:14
do a bunch of other herbal stuff, but don't. So, but overall, because I saw my brothers who
23:28
followed some aspects others they broke away from, but the power of God, listen, this is what,
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this is what I don't get. It's a pretty good deal. If God's power, if he says, I'll place my spirit
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in you, and it's the same power that raised Christ from the death, and then the fruits of the spirit
23:53
are all these things. I said, that's what I want, because I can't live a life beyond some of those
24:02
things that are, could definitely get me, and I don't want to be like, unless I have,
24:09
unless I can be transformed. There was a fellow in the Bible, he's a terrorist against Christians,
24:16
Paul, and his name was Saul first, but I mean, Paul was as good as Isis, he was hunting Christians
24:23
down and making sure they died. And he has an encounter with God, the Lord Jesus man, and
24:29
boom, his life changes. So, that's the number one reason I can tell you that is different. I've
24:37
learned to find my strength and my identity. And here's the third thing, this is probably the best
24:44
advice I can give to anybody. Because we live in such a following world, the best chance for men
24:51
to understand their identity is, is get to know God Almighty as a father. Jesus refers to him as a
25:00
father a hundred times, just in one book, it's called the book of John. He says he's a father.
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That was the hardest thing for me to do. When I became a Christian, people would be like,
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God, the father would be like, yeah. And then, you know, I'd be around people like I will and
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daddy. I'm like, it's kind of weird, man. But I'll tell you, slowly coming to understand him
25:26
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And so Victor, to take that a little bit further, I have talked to men that had
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not your story, but a crap dad nonetheless. Every male figure in their life was junk,
27:16
even their coaches just took advantage of bad, bad, bad. And so when you talk about a heavenly
27:24
father, they have that same visceral reaction that you just had like, you can miss me with all
27:29
that father stuff. Or, you know, they were over mother and under father, maybe one of those
27:33
situations. And so the only examples of manhood they've seen are these kind of, you know, limperisted,
27:39
you know, navel gazing men that, you know, aren't strong. And so they know what a strong woman is
27:45
kind of, but they don't understand the order that God gave us of a family where the man is the head
27:50
and the woman is the help that they are different, but equal all at the same time.
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And so go a little further with your advice about, okay, get to know God as God the father,
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God of the, of the God head, God the father, get to know him as your heavenly father. Because
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I've spoken to prisons before Victor and like, that's been one of the most incredible things. And
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what do you want to bet the number of those guys that didn't have a good male role model in their
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lives? Almost all of them experience that. So when I come in there and talk about the heavenly
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father, I take the air out of the balloon and I talk about the fact that most of you guys in
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here have never seen a good example of the father. But just because you're under lock and key doesn't
28:28
mean that you can't still be free. And freedom comes from a perfect heavenly father that would
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never do to you what your earthly father did. But what would be your advice to those guys that just
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like flat out never, they've never seen it. So they don't even know what to look for. Yeah,
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well, they gotta, they gotta want it. They've got to have enough hope that it's real.
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It's like a total fellow the other day. I said, look, man, what if God really is he really has a
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fathering heart? Because and when you think of father, you have to think in terms of the perfect
29:05
father, not not just examples you've seen. Because there's two extremes. There's a there's a passive
29:13
lemperist, a dude who managed to coward. And then I do like the term toxic masculinity,
29:22
because there's that extreme guy who's just like abusive, he's a bully. Yeah, he's just a punk.
29:28
But you think about the perfect father, whose children are his greatest concern.
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And when you become a dad, you find out how imperfect you are. And you're like, oh,
29:47
but you realize how much you love your kids. And then you're like, oh, man, this is okay. God,
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if I love this little one this much, you must love me. I can't even. So I like to think of God as a
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father, like I am me, none other people, and how I consider the perfect if I was a perfect dad,
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this is how I would be, right? And, you know, a couple of things.
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My daughter, when she was like 16, 16, I had COVID, me and a couple of teammates had COVID.
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And I just finished being out of base, actually for Carson. And, man, I pushed it, you know,
30:45
I pushed it, I, it could have been better. But I was like, no, no, I can do this. So I throttled
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me and my, one of my teammates. But long story short, now it's pretty sick. I was pretty sick.
31:00
And my daughter tells my wife it's the first time I've ever seen dad, where I don't think he could
31:10
protect us. That's, that's not a small thing, provide and protect. While I was still sick,
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I had my daughter come in, I set up, I said, Hey, I heard what you told mom and I understand
31:28
your apprehension. But I said, I said, sweetie, listen to me, baby girl, it's my embrace in this
31:35
house. First of all, they got to get through our key lines. They got to get through our
31:40
every donacies. But trust me, I don't care. I don't care if I'm dying. Always got enough in me to
31:49
kill a man. And I said, you will never have to worry about that. And I may look at my eyes,
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I go, do you believe me? She's like, Oh, yes, sir. I said, okay, don't ever doubt that. So,
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I liked the idea of a Heavenly Father who is protective of us. And Jesus said, if you've seen
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me, you've seen the Father. So if a man will just read those first four books or listen to them,
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for me, I'm not a good reader. I got enough years on my noggin. I want to be a better reader.
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But I'd say this, I listen to the Bible, I listen to scripture all the time. And
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when I hear about what Jesus did, fashioning a whip, throwing tables over, that speaks of strength,
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because they want no little Ikea tables. Those are all wood. And I go, all right. And yet he's
32:49
saying, hey, don't suffer the little kids that come under me. Don't stop them. And then he's not
32:55
mad when a lady with an issue of blood touches the him. And he goes, whoa, virtue just left. She
33:01
gets healed. And then he said, it's better that a man would have a big old millstone, big boulder
33:09
tied around him and dropped him to the deepest part of the sea than a mess with a kid. I'm like,
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whoa, this is a good dad. This is a dad that every kid should want growing up. But I want him as
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my Heavenly Father now, which allows me to talk to him. Like, I'm not afraid. Even when I sin,
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I just, I was telling someone the day, they're like, what's the best parent you can buy? I go,
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I can tell you where I messed up. And I said, you know, about once a year, I put my hand through
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something. I just, you know, it is what it is. And one of the last times I've been many years
33:54
fellows outside of one incident, but that was someone else. And that was appropriate. But I'd
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say this, I put my festival wall by the door. I was just playing. And my wife and children are
34:08
like, okay, go get a picture. And you know, they're going to hang it over. Like, dad finally reached
34:15
his peak. And that's how I, and then I lean, she's like, Hey, babe, I have a guy come patch up. I said,
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stop, yo. I said, take the picture off. Leave that right there. And I looked at my kids and said,
34:28
this is not a good example of your Heavenly Father. He's perfect. This example of your earthly dad,
34:36
who's who's still being worked on. And I'm sorry if this calls any type of fear, but I would never
34:44
do this to y'all. I would never, this is just me not using my words. And when, but I said,
34:51
leave that hole there to my bride, leave it there. She goes, honey, when people come over, I said,
34:56
I wanted to see it and go, what's that for? And they're going to see, you know, it's about six foot.
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Hi, Danny. I go and then I'll explain because it'll keep me humble and remember.
35:08
Hey, well, there's, there's a lot there. I think one through point of what you said, Victor,
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is, and I can't remember who said it first. I would like to be able to give them credit,
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but it's with your family, with your bride and your children, it's a lie in for them,
35:25
lamb with them. Yes. Okay, lie in for them, lamb with them. Because here's the thing,
35:30
if your children and wife don't know that the lion is around or available, they're insecure,
35:35
because they're like, crap, we're exposed. It's exactly how your daughter is like, oh, shoot,
35:39
out of nowhere. But if all they ever see is lying, then they're, it's impossible for them to operate
35:46
because the level of anxiety is always so high and so ratcheted up that that becomes so problematic.
35:53
But that's the issue for guys that are wired like me. I'm kind of crazy. I got that crazy ginger
35:57
energy. I'm very driven. I'm very, you know, I can get aggro and I have to really think about
36:00
that. But it's like, look, Jesus wasn't only turning over tables, but that was an option.
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And that was premeditated righteous aggression. We have no indication that Jesus can seal
36:10
carry to whip. We, he left, made a whip came back, and it was sustained aggression for a long
36:16
period of time. And it was violence done against animals and people, right? So good property. Yeah.
36:22
And so that's, that's the thing that, but I feel like we lose that thread, Victor, and I don't
36:26
think modern day churches do us any favors. And we'll segue into the dangerous gentlemen here in
36:30
just a second. But I think we've really lost that thread. And if men could just marinate on that one
36:36
thought of lying with them, lamb for them, I think that we could solve a lot of issues. What do you
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think? That's one, it's brilliant. And to just so you know, little Paul's, I really appreciate you
36:49
as a brother and a fellow dangerous gentleman. I appreciate you, college. I just want you to know
36:55
that. Thank you. So I often tell women at events, hey, let your husband out the crowd,
37:08
let him run. He's going to mess up, but it'll be self correcting. But if you keep trying to
37:19
do behavior modification, you'll make him, you'll ruin the lion, you'll make him a little lamb,
37:27
and then you'll push him into being a hamster. And
37:30
the reality is men, kids and women, we've, I mean, we're said this, but they want a protector,
37:42
but they want a man under the authority of God that shows that level of, you know, he's tempered,
37:50
but he's capable of maintenance, you know, power under control. I learned that early on,
37:56
because I got saved while I was in the Marine Corps. So, you know, you either had to do or
38:01
don't as a Christian. So I started going, all right, I'm going to be all in, but the
38:06
meekness and that's where I think the church is messed up through this behavior modification.
38:14
They're like, whoa, are you getting mad? I'm like, well, the Bible says, gee, we're supposed
38:21
to get angry. I wish a lot of men more get angry at the right things, but just don't sin. So that's
38:32
where this psychops of stupid pastors taking scripture and twisting them, mainly because they can't fit
38:42
into a righteous, golly, mortal, masculine man. So they're going to, they're going to kind of
38:49
twist things to make you feel okay with them. And then how does a man come into a church,
38:54
look at that guy and go, that's who I'm supposed to be like, which if pastors are honest,
39:01
a lot of them, because of the ego, we're like, yeah, if you make it up here,
39:05
you know, if you can be like this guy, I'm like, oh, when I speak, I'm like, you better look past
39:12
this broken vessel. You better look right up to Christ, because that's the only one. And I
39:19
explained like a team effort. I said, the quarterback is not more important than the lineman.
39:26
You know, you take one lineman out of the deal, and the body of Christ, we all have our lanes
39:32
to run in. You know, I work with a lot of special operations, folks, and, and you know, for everyone,
39:42
for every operator, let's say in the unit, the support system around that one operator
39:49
is unbelievable. People can't even imagine. So that's, that's kind of the body of Christ.
39:57
But I'm, I'm excited that there is a shift, and there is, because in my generation,
40:05
I got saved in the 80s, it was behavior modification, love Jesus, love Jesus. Whoa, you know,
40:13
so I was kind of always an odd man out, because like, like I went on staff at a church,
40:23
and they put me in a position too quick. Uh, and I, they had me doing counseling. I wasn't even
40:30
married at the time, but this, if you heard this story, it's, I've heard it. Please tell it. It's
40:36
amazing. I'm embarrassed and joyful to tell it all at the same time. I just, because you got no
40:43
my heart fellas. I'm not promoting lain hands on people, but this dude had messed up cheat on his
40:50
wife multiple times. And, and he would come to me and say, Hey, can you, cause his daughter,
40:56
their daughter was in my group, little biopsy group. So I'm at the church. He'd come in and I'd
41:01
get them back together. After a few times of this, uh, the wife calls me and she says, Hey,
41:08
he's high on math. He just got violent. Instead of hitting a wall like me, he hit his daughter,
41:15
the youngest one, a toddler, man, the mom's crying. She says, what do I do? Cause, you know,
41:21
trying to be Christians, I said, you call the police. This is what we do. We use authorities.
41:26
You call the police, call them as for your baby. Uh, if she needs that or take her to the doctor,
41:32
you know, and she says, well, if he comes to the church, I just want you to know what happened.
41:37
Guess what? That fool came to the church and he comes into my office. Uh, you know, and I get
41:42
him in there and he's like, Oh, I don't, you know, I messed up again. And I said, I know your wife
41:50
just called and he's all, Oh, uh, and then he knew he was busted. Like there's no smack talk.
41:58
He was busted and he goes, uh, I don't know what's wrong with me. I said, you hit your toddler.
42:04
You put hands on your little gut. And I, now I start feeling myself as a kid who was abused.
42:12
And you know, it's like, Oh, I try to, it's almost like the
42:15
male Gibson and the patriarch, he wants to keep all that stuff on a little chest and the hidden.
42:22
It's like, I don't want to open that thing. But man, I, I started opening that and he goes,
42:28
he means he's goes, I don't know. It's wrong. He goes, maybe I should be hit. And that was like
42:34
a righteous waiver. So I said, I agree. And I wasn't emotional about it. Just very convinced.
42:42
So I slammed them on the ground and start working them, hurting his feelings. And he's
42:48
screaming in the associate pastor, they Lord told him he comes running in the office. He's like,
42:55
what's going on? You know, vector victory screaming. I want this guy. And he goes, Victor coming. And
43:02
I was a young, again, younger, just out of the Marine Corps. And I was on a black belt team.
43:08
So fighting was a pretty comfortable conflict. And he's like, come here, Victor. And so I come
43:15
on. He goes, Hey, we don't hit people when they come to the church. I'm like, no, no, I know that
43:22
normally. But he said he should be hit. So that's kind of like a legal waiver. And the guy's still
43:28
in the office like, And I tell Taylor goes, let me take it from here. I'm like, Oh, okay. And I
43:37
literally at first, yeah. But don't you think that guy thought twice the next time he got angry
43:44
and balled up his fist? Yeah. Yeah, I won. She divorced him. And too, he never had the opportunity.
43:50
But he did know that in that town, if he ever touched that kid again, I think he had the fear
43:57
of God in him that I would come and rearrange him. And I remember walking down the hall,
44:04
you know, first kind of, you know, in my trouble, she said, I've done that, you know, every pastor's
44:10
office I passed, all these different, they're all like, did you hear? I'm like, yeah, go get
44:16
you some Easter. And so I don't think, I think the legal system and you can't rebuke somebody,
44:25
you know, in church, there's just not the fear. I'm just, I'm reading a book listening
44:32
called God's Generals. And you want to be, you want to be challenged. I've done the healers,
44:38
evangelists, which they're all messed up. I can tell you right now, I'm a bunch of crazy
44:43
people, gives me hope. And then I'm on the revivalists, Jonathan Edwards, you know,
44:53
the Wesley Buzz, I'm like, well, it's unreal somehow tough. These preaches were, and there's
45:02
different levels of tough. You know, a baseball player is not going to be tough as a wrestler.
45:07
Let's just face it. A guy runs a five K fast. He ain't going to be a marathoner necessarily.
45:16
And certainly not an ultra marathoner. And I've worked with guys who are. So there's different
45:21
levels of toughness. And, uh, and I'm just like, man, some of these preachers, circuit
45:29
preachers with on a horse, man, like thousands of miles, I'm like, how in the world? So I just
45:40
think we got to come back to some of this. And guess who's going to do it? The men listening,
45:46
you watching right now, it's you. You're up. I'm getting, I'm getting along the two. My next
45:52
birthday is six zero. And, um, and I'm on like a, I think I can go pretty hard for another 10. And
46:00
then, uh, send my heart back down once I hit 80. And if God gives us, but I mean, my wife and I,
46:10
we're working on every, every, we're just, it's like, I was at this, uh, pal. I spoke to this
46:18
group of pretty wealthy dudes. They haven't come in. And I love them all. It was my first time to
46:24
speak to them. And I said, Hey, are you mission ready? And I'll tell your men right now. Are you
46:29
mission ready physically, most women's firstly, because things can go sideways on our country like
46:35
that? Like kind of wholesale, but individually things can go sideways in your life. Like that,
46:42
a lot quicker. And I'll be surprised if people don't experience them. But I, I told these men,
46:48
I said, Hey, physically, are you mission ready? I said, some of you? Well, some of you just fat.
46:53
I'm gonna tell you like it is you're, and I'm not talking about surgeries or illnesses or
47:00
things that would impede you. Some of you just got lazy. You got wealthy and you got lazy.
47:05
I'm like, come on, man. Can you drag your wife out of a burning house or a vehicle? Can you defend
47:11
your family? And I thought they'd run me out of there, which, you know, I'm always, I speak like
47:19
I'm never coming back. But man, all of a sudden, I'm the most coded guy out of that whole weekend
47:26
with all and there was some good speakers there, man. I was like, dang, but God use my words of
47:32
truth and wrongness and honesty to challenge men to go, look, you just can't come to another event for
47:39
behavior modification and move to need a little bit. You got to be transformed with something so
47:46
radical. Yep. Well, Victor, like whenever I go and speak places, I talk about so our mission is
47:52
equipping men to push back darkness. How do we do that by creating content that forges spiritual,
47:57
mental and physical resilience, not strength, because strength wanes over time. Resilience is
48:01
that toughness, that ability to bounce back. And my style is very similar to yours. My style is
48:05
burn it down and walk away. Why? Because I don't live in your city. And so if you bring me to wherever's
48:10
ville, Tennessee, and you want me to come and speak to your men, guess what? I get to fly home
48:14
tomorrow, right? And so it's like you have to stay here and deal with all the stuff that I got stirred
48:19
up. But if you're not ready with a net, some bottles of water, it's going to be a little bit
48:24
of an issue. And I warn people, I was like, don't bring me in. If you don't want, do you listen to my
48:27
show? Do you know the things that I say? Because it's like, I'm not really concerned about everyone's
48:31
feelings primarily. But also, I think the problem that we see, Victor, and this does go into the
48:36
dangerous gentleman, which I talked about in the introduction, and it's in the show notes, guys,
48:40
we're not going to be able to cover the book because we're just getting into the conversation.
48:43
Part of the issue is that people don't see Jesus the Nazarene as a tough guy. And neither did I,
48:49
because I became a Christian at the age of 15. And I grew up in a Christian home, but it was like,
48:55
I call it country music theology, because you grow up in Oklahoma. You know, your parents vote
49:00
Republican, they listen to country music. So you're a Christian, and because grandma was a Christian,
49:04
right? Like, so you're Christian by dent of birth, right? But at the age of 15, I became a Christian
49:09
for myself. And what I did when I looked around, is I'm like, okay, I'm 15. I'm learning what it
49:14
means to be a man. I'm also learning what it means to be a Christian. And I came to the realization
49:19
that those are just separate things. And so it's like all the godly men are inside the church. God's
49:24
love like prayer, prayer circles and limp handshakes and khakis and all that stuff. And that's fine.
49:29
And if you need prayer, that's where you go. But all the manly dudes are outside the church doing
49:34
man stuff. So they were like lifting weights and killing animals and learning how to shoot and
49:38
learning how to fight and all that kind of stuff. And I thought there's just no crossover here.
49:42
And it wasn't until Victor until my early twenties, when I started reading the gospels for myself,
49:47
and I'm like, hold up, wait a minute, this Jesus dude seems pretty rough. Because like, if you look
49:54
at the timelines, he didn't clear the temple once. He cleared it twice. He cleared it once
49:57
after he did his first miracle of turning water into wine. And he did it once after he
50:02
triumphantly returned back to Jerusalem. This is something that he did twice. He made people so
50:07
mad with the words that he said that they got together to try to kill him. And I've said some
50:12
incendiary things and I've never had a group of people try to get together and try to take me out.
50:18
And so it was like crap, the problem was not that Jesus wasn't a tough guy. The problem is that we
50:23
depict him as if he's not all these, you know, mosaics and all this artwork where he looks like
50:28
this soft feature Danish model in not a Middle Eastern Jew somehow. And he's always just walking
50:34
around real light and just kind of telling people how cute they are and how much their sin's not
50:39
that big a deal and how much he just loves him was he was he and it's like, wait a minute guys,
50:43
it's like, you seem to have gotten the Lamb of God part right, but you've skipped the Lion of Judah.
50:49
He's not 75% Lamb and 25% Lion. He's 100% Lamb and 100% Lion. But we don't do that. We don't talk
50:57
about it. And it's to our detriment. It's certainly to the detriment of the next generation that
51:02
you're trying to get, you know, set up and ready to go Victor. I couldn't agree with you more.
51:07
And that's what would be exciting for men to to find out who the Lord is for themselves.
51:15
You know, I mean, we can shine a light on the path we've been on, but it takes a man being hungry
51:22
for spiritual truth to go. Well, let me check it out. Let me read and be honest. You know,
51:28
there's that comedian actor that's recently got saved. What is his name? He's English.
51:36
Oh, Russell Brand. Russell. The dude's doing Bible studies on his podcast.
51:43
And I'm not checking out his theology because I don't really care right now, right? But he's like,
51:49
Jesus and this I'm like, yeah, and this is a mind blown. Oh my gosh, what?
51:57
Two years ago, whatever, he's sitting on his bed with his computer going, I'm sick of porn.
52:03
Porn has destroyed my life. And he's not a believer. He's just talking about
52:08
he came to the end of himself and realized this is sin. So he started looking at Buddhism,
52:13
right? And all of a sudden he is like, Jesus. Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan gave his life to the Lord
52:22
not long ago. And, you know, you'd see him, you know, potty mouth, Navy's, you know,
52:30
former branch guy and agency. And I loved it because I like, you know, because one I like,
52:38
I really appreciate intellectual honesty. And I don't mind people being passionate.
52:47
Even if we disagree a thousand percent, if they're sincere, if they're sincere, because that
52:53
man, I've got people on my team's Muslims to, you know, I've had atheists. One guy's like,
53:00
you do know him an atheist. We were in Iraq. Do a ministry where I go, you do know I'm a Christian.
53:07
He goes, I said, Oh, I said, look, I didn't hire you as a security detail because of faith.
53:17
We got that part covered, brother. I said, but just do your dang job. You speak four languages.
53:24
You got a ton of experience. And he's like, yes, sir. Got it. And he did excellent.
53:31
So it's just, I love it when guys take personal responsibility to start searching the scriptures
53:42
or finding out more instead of just BS. And you know, oh, I went to church or I read the Bible,
53:49
really, but parts how much would you come up with? It's like, man, just be honest.
53:54
Well, Victor, it's not, it's not how many, it's not how many years you've been a Christian,
54:00
it's how many hours, buddy of mine once said the same thing. And so you have guys that are like,
54:04
I've been a Christian since I was a kid. How many hours have you been a Christian?
54:07
Then that starts getting into how often do you study the Bible, how often do you spend time
54:11
praying how often you spend time sharing the gospel, ministering to people and those types
54:15
of things. It becomes problematic. Well, we're, we discipline ourselves on whatever we want to do.
54:21
Right. Period. Financial, athletics, shooting, whatever fishing, whatever it is, we discipline,
54:34
and we spend time and money on what so I, I always kind of go, man, just be honest.
54:42
You know, you suck at being a husband because well, you're not spending time and effort and
54:49
trying to, how can I love this woman the way she needs to be loved or spiritually? He's like, oh,
54:56
well, she goes, well, why don't you, man? It's actually on you. And with this book, The Dangerous
55:02
Gentleman, look, you hear shameless plug. Pada. Look, I only have one shirt. That's, I just,
55:10
that's okay. You just keep it rotating. It's good. I wash it at night sometimes.
55:15
You know, it's, I believe, because for those who don't know, we, we hunt pedophiles, we have what's
55:25
called the pedophile hunter fund on our website if you want to help us. And I mean, we have super
55:32
qualified train teams. We work at the highest level in through with law enforcement in other
55:39
countries, sometimes military. But we cannot, we can't arrest this problem away. And, you know,
55:54
everybody's like, get a wood chipper. You know, and I'm like, well, in other countries, I've seen
56:01
decisions made where people go away. And for all kinds of things, terrorism and all this. But,
56:14
but I'll tell you, like last year, 31 million images of child sexual abuse, videos, or, you know,
56:24
in the US, and less than 400 prosecutions. So, you know, we developed the think tank brought
56:33
off look guys in the best minds and all this, in my opinion. And I said, how do we, how can we move
56:39
the needle? Just, you know, not photo ops, like some people do, because a lot of people don't
56:46
realize when you see, you know, 27 people arrested for sex, most of those people are going to get
56:51
fined 100 bucks. They got their face in the most of them don't even get convicted. It's they're
56:57
arrested. So it's there's, so here's a three things I would say men, please listen to me,
57:06
because men are the problem, not women. You got your wretched Jezebel's out there who
57:11
will pimp out and set up and groom. The men males are the main problem in this area.
57:19
And the three things is, one, we organization of things possible and, you know, protecting
57:29
children is its task force. Listen, we're only going to go after the worst guys, the guys filming,
57:39
the dads using their kids, guys are actively abusing children. That's where we want to spend
57:49
the bulk of our donations for that initiative, training, equipping, follow up, the justice aspect,
57:59
respect, which it's all expensive. But we want to go after the worst of the wickedness. Two,
58:07
we have to be there. Listen, it's going to be hard for somebody. We have to be there for young men
58:14
struggling with looking at child stuff, because the largest group is 20-something-year-olds. That's
58:24
the fastest growing number of people in the dark way of getting stuff. They're, because they're,
58:30
they're numbed to regular porn. And we're probably going to start like a 1-800 number.
58:35
So guys can call in, nobody knows who they are, and we'll pray with them and counsel them,
58:43
because that doesn't exist, right, because there's so much hatred toward it. And look,
58:48
there's someone who's been abused by a weirdo. So it's, it's possible to help them
58:55
get them off a path of horrible stuff. And then the last aspect, just people say,
59:04
how can we help? I tell guys, stop looking at porn.
59:08
Yeah. Honestly, I get it. I call people, there's the samplers, the strugglers,
59:15
and there's people who just full on in bondage, and it's ruining their life. And I tell people,
59:22
don't sample. You know, when I was a kid, you know, it was the old Playboy book underneath the log
59:28
in the woods where all the neighborhood kids wouldn't look at, oh, a movie. But it's, it's a slippery slope.
59:36
Don't, you know, and then people return to it and, you know, like, oh, I kind of struggle.
59:42
Just know that God, if his spirit's in you and his eyes, he uses your eyes to look at things and
59:50
he don't want to look at the porn. It's, it's, so when you stumble and you fall, man, just instantly
59:58
repent and then don't make a way for it. I tell people, if your smartphone is what's leading into
1:00:04
this, then break it and get a flip phone, get an analog. Do you know my son, my youngest son,
1:00:11
we gave him a iPhone, I think he was 15. After like a couple of months, he brought it back to us.
1:00:19
He's like, no, thank you. The temptation is way too easy. I said, oh, yeah, I said, good on you,
1:00:27
son. And, and he goes, I just want to be, let me be strengthened in that area,
1:00:32
going through all this puberty stuff. And that kid's actually been with me into Iraq.
1:00:39
He actually, he turned 12 there. That's a funny story. He got a birthday in Iraq doing all the
1:00:47
fighting. And he comes up to me and his mom, he goes worst birthday ever. I'm like, oh, yeah,
1:00:55
I let him hold a grenade for his birthday. That's a pretty good present. Yeah. Well, but,
1:01:00
but Victor, like to your point on porn, I've had guys, so many guys reach out to me because I do
1:01:06
an episode at the beginning of every year called how to avoid being a crappy man in 2024, in 2023,
1:01:11
whatever. And there's just a bunch of different things on there like, hey, don't let sports
1:01:14
ruin your night. Hey, make sure you're studying the Bible with a group of other guys. Hey, make
1:01:18
sure you know how to fight. But I always put on there, no porn, no masturbation, because I think
1:01:22
part of our issue with pornography is that we frame the problem improperly. We don't have a
1:01:26
porn problem. We have a masturbation problem because I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if anybody
1:01:31
that just watches porn for the cinematography or for, you know, the acting chops. Yeah. Yeah,
1:01:36
yeah, they're there. Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. They're studying. They're taking
1:01:39
notes. But like, that's the thing. And so I tell guys, because like for, I think I'm on, it's either
1:01:43
14 or 15 years where porn and masturbation has not been a part of my life. And for a guy that is so
1:01:48
driven sexually, that's like impossible. That's like, there basically aren't people walking around
1:01:53
like that. And so that's not for me to to my own horn. But it was like, I realized one day,
1:01:58
because I went to some of these groups, some of these, you know, products groups and these
1:02:02
guys, I made it two way. Yeah, I made it two days. And oh, hey, you know, I did this and I did that.
1:02:07
And I'm like, this, this, these are, there's no overcomers. These are settlers. And that,
1:02:11
and I'm just like, this isn't for me. But one day I realized, I was like, wait a minute,
1:02:14
if I just second Corinthians 10 five and take every thought captive every time I get a boner,
1:02:19
it's like, then probably I'm not going to masturbate. And then I just kept doing that over and over
1:02:23
and over and over again. And guess what? If you're not going to masturbate, you have no need to seek
1:02:28
out the imagery that is going to be your masturbatory aid. And so I think that that's part of our
1:02:33
problem is that we frame things so incorrectly. And it becomes a massive problem. And I do want to
1:02:39
talk a little bit about the dangerous gentleman, because I had a bunch of quotes I wanted to get
1:02:42
to, but all this stuff was great. So you showed the book, The Dangerous Gentlemen, a call for
1:02:47
Christian men to be courageous in a culture of correctness. There's a short quote that I think
1:02:51
kind of elucidates this dichotomy of dangerous, but also gentlemen, it's a short quote. But it's
1:02:57
here in the West, if the secular institutions and the demonic forces controlling them are finally
1:03:01
calling us dangerous, then why not just go ahead and be dangerous? And I was reminded of this
1:03:07
senator that proposed this bill, this new law that would keep people from being able to do
1:03:12
paramilitary training. So if my Glover is going to do a class on how to do a tourniquet and how
1:03:19
to shoot and move and how to get off the X and all that, nope, that's paramilitary activity,
1:03:24
you can't do that. And so it's like, Oh, wait a minute. So daddy government doesn't want us to
1:03:29
be tough and to be able to operate if things go poorly. And if something goes wrong, and if
1:03:35
that the threat is not a foreign threat, but a domestic threat from our own internal government,
1:03:40
weird that they wouldn't want us to all be tough. But I feel like that's kind of the crux
1:03:44
of a lot of the things that you talk about in the book to where it's like,
1:03:47
okay, if you're going to call me these things, I made it as well trained so that you're at least
1:03:51
accurate. Yeah, it's uh, when you were reading the crow, I was like, that's pretty good. Oh,
1:03:58
I said that. Oh, wow. Okay, that's, uh, that sounds good. Yeah, for me, uh, it's just that
1:04:08
deal of we, we've, you know, we've done the yoga deal flexing and getting in contorted positions.
1:04:17
So we don't want to offend somebody. I'm like, I don't give a flying squirrel sack
1:04:24
if someone's offended because I trained for forget about it. It's, it's, uh, no way. Because this is all
1:04:34
new. This type of mentality, uh, I'm offended. Don't call me like, and listen, uh, I posted a
1:04:44
funny thing to do about a trans. Um, and somebody was like, you know, somebody goes, oh, uh, I saw
1:04:53
you were with Caitlyn Jenner. And I'm like, yeah, he's a friend. Oh, you used the wrong pronoun.
1:05:03
I go. Yeah. I go. He's the one that told me, Victor, I don't give an F about pronouns.
1:05:09
And, uh, cause he's, he's actually a friend. He just texted me the other day.
1:05:14
And, you know, what people don't realize about him is, you know, you got to look at everybody.
1:05:24
And this is the balance of being bold. And I'm gonna do it. Look what other people are doing.
1:05:32
Can not Christian men at least live with that level like when Black Lives Matter hit and then
1:05:39
Tifa and all this. The first thing I said about Black Lives Matter, I mean, when it first happened,
1:05:45
I just, I just said, Hey, man, I hope the goodness they don't get corrupted by bad leadership.
1:05:50
Uh, like day one, when it came out, I said, who knows? Maybe it'll be a good movement.
1:05:56
They were corrupt from the beginning, right? Everybody knows it. And then people would be like,
1:06:01
and Tifa's coming out and all this. I go, well, they're doing something. It's all weird and bad.
1:06:12
But man, what, you know, and then the people who were trying to get their point of view,
1:06:18
I go, look, there, that's actually weird faith in action, right? It's a perverted faith in action.
1:06:25
So we as men, nobody should shut us down. It's like, Oh, you disagree with me?
1:06:31
It's okay. It's all right. Yeah. And yeah, believe me, the church, there have been Christian
1:06:36
groups that came after me years ago. Uh, and they're like, Hey, you know,
1:06:43
you all set up a stuff. I go, Hey, look, I don't mind truly passive people. I mean,
1:06:51
men who truly are known and have a conviction of like the movie of that fellow is like, I don't
1:06:59
want to carry a gun. Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah. That's a genuine. It's like what I said earlier.
1:07:06
It's a deeply held genuine belief. And I'm like, man, I support that guy's right to do that,
1:07:14
because it doesn't disqualify him. I don't put him down. He's a stellar warrior to me.
1:07:19
But I said, those of you men out there, Christian man who are coming after me screaming about
1:07:24
Jesus wouldn't do this. Jesus wouldn't. I go, you're just hiding behind a wrong gospel.
1:07:30
Cause you don't want to step up and trust me, there may come a day where it's men like me
1:07:37
that you're going to thank God for. Uh, and Victor, I gotta tell you this. So have you ever heard the
1:07:45
name Shane Clayborn? Yes. So this is a, he is a pacifist, anti gun, Christian activist person.
1:07:55
And so this guy goes around the country and he, he does these events with literally
1:07:59
tens of people and the, he will convince them to bring their firearms up to the stage and to have
1:08:06
them destroyed right there in front of them. And so this was years ago, it'll take me a little
1:08:09
while to unpack this, but I think you'll appreciate it. Um, uh, Justin Briarley with, uh, the unbelievable
1:08:15
podcast where they typically have a debate between a Christian and an on Christian on a certain topic
1:08:19
or whatever, he emails me out of the blue and cause I had done a complimentarian versus egalitarian
1:08:23
debate because they were trying to get me to debate these Christian feminists and the Christian
1:08:27
feminists kept dropping out when they realized that I was going to be on the opposite side of the debate.
1:08:31
Uh, so Kristen Cobay is domain. She still owes me, uh, the Jesus and John Wayne gal. She still owes
1:08:35
me a debate. I'm still, uh, still mad about that one, but he goes, Hey, there's this activist Shane
1:08:39
Clayborn. I know you're a gun owner. Would you like to do a debate on guns? And I'm like, you know,
1:08:45
second amendment and guns and stuff like that isn't even like in the top tennis stuff that I
1:08:48
talk about on the show. But yeah, I'll, I'll go smack him around for a little bit, no big deal.
1:08:52
And I knew it was going to be a quick, uh, quicker than, you know, you can expect type of debate
1:08:57
because there's commercial breaks and there's his talk time and there's a host talk time.
1:09:00
And so I'm like, if this was going to be like two hours, I was going to drag him into deep water
1:09:04
and drown him slowly, but I kind of had to hit him in the face a little bit, you know, pretty quick.
1:09:08
I put him to something cause he lives in Philadelphia and, uh, I put him in a scenario. I'm like, okay,
1:09:13
you don't have any kiddos, but you and your wife are, uh, you know, in your home and, you know, glass
1:09:19
breaks in the middle of the night, there's a problem. What are you going to do? He goes, I'm
1:09:22
going to call the police. I'm like, great. The average response time for 9/11 across the country
1:09:26
is seven minutes. That's if they answer and that's if they don't have a busy signal, but let's just
1:09:30
assume it's seven minutes. So there's seven minutes until help arrives. What are you going to do in
1:09:34
the meantime? Well, I guess I would try to look through the house and see where the person is. I
1:09:38
was like, great. So you go walking through the house, you don't find him, you come back to the
1:09:41
bedroom and he's there. Your wife's in the bed. He's in between you and your wife. Now what?
1:09:46
Well, and he just kind of vacillated and he, you know, did all that kind of stuff. But finally,
1:09:51
I got him to say, well, you know what? I would do anything I could to protect my wife. I'd grab
1:09:56
a chair. I'd, I'd grab this or I'd grab whatever. And I'm like, okay, this is where we, where we
1:10:01
start to agree, Shane. I said, you and I in that scenario, we don't want the fight to be fair.
1:10:07
I don't want the fight to be fair in your favor. You don't want the fight to be fair in his favor
1:10:14
because he's armed. All you have are your limp wrists. And now it's not only your butt, it's
1:10:19
your wife's butt and good luck because he's going to make you watch. But then at the very,
1:10:24
very end, uh, you know, we're trying to paint playing nice at the end of the debate or whatever.
1:10:28
And you know, I said, Hey, you know, I'd love to have a meal sometime. Let's go get a cheesesteak
1:10:32
or something in Philadelphia. But I said, Shane, I promise you that if you and I are sitting across
1:10:37
from a table and someone comes into that establishment looking to do harm, you are going to be hiding
1:10:43
behind a guy like me. And if not for guys like me, guys like you would have no chance of survival
1:10:49
because the odds of you being able to protect yourself and make it out of that situation unharmed
1:10:54
are incredibly low. If you are not prepared before that situation arrives at your doorstep,
1:10:59
because at that point, there's no time to train. There's no time for a prayer circle. There's no
1:11:03
time to call for help because evil, the wolf is now at your doorstep. And that's the thing. That's
1:11:08
the problem that we have. And I know I've kind of gone on a diatribe here, but I want to read one quote
1:11:13
from the from the dangerous gentlemen because I think this is the actual point because the point
1:11:19
we're making is it's not about sincerely held beliefs about pacifism. It's not about that.
1:11:24
It's not about wrong theology that leads to pacifism or any of that. It's about cowardice.
1:11:29
So I want to read this quote. This is my favorite quote from the book. Men who refuse to be dangerous
1:11:34
aren't gentle. They're cowards. Cowardice is not gentle. It's passive violence. Cowardice,
1:11:40
which includes passivity in the face of evil is danger in the wrong direction. Cowards leave
1:11:45
innocent people in the path of evil. The most dangerously bad people in the world are nice looking
1:11:49
folks, men and women who allow evil to advance and put up no fight. You find them in bureaucracies,
1:11:55
workplaces, churches, schools, everywhere. They sometimes make it appear that they are
1:12:00
putting up a fight, but in the end, they give away with plenty of excuses and explanations.
1:12:05
These people may seem conciliatory, moderate, reasonable and peaceful, but they are actually
1:12:10
warmongers in different costumes. They are enablers of wickedness. At least evil people might be
1:12:16
straightforward with you about their motives. Cowards layer deception on top of it. They're not
1:12:23
just afraid of fighting. They're afraid of people. They're afraid people will know that they're
1:12:28
afraid of fighting. I think that's it. I think you have your thumb on the pulse. You're over the
1:12:33
X with that because again, and Jordan Peterson said this, it's like being incapable of violence
1:12:38
doesn't make you virtuous as a man. It makes you worthless as a man because it's an entire concept
1:12:43
of meekness. It's you have the sword, but you leave it sheath until you need to. You don't go
1:12:47
into the bar waving the sword around. The dudes that I trained you jits with, all of our black belts,
1:12:53
these are the most calm alphas you will ever meet in a bar. So when accidentally scuffs their
1:12:59
shoes, oh, excuse me. Sorry. I didn't realize my foot was there. Guys want to start popping off
1:13:03
and going poking people in the chest. They're like, Hey, brother, there's, there's an easier
1:13:07
fight at the next bar. Like, let's just get on with our evening. Would you mind if I paid for
1:13:10
your drink before I left? Like that type of thing, these guys are looking for a fight because they
1:13:15
know what the actual ramifications of real world violence are. I've talked for way too long. Ready
1:13:19
to go. Oh my gosh. I love it. And you know, it's the most capable men that I've ever worked with.
1:13:34
I'll tell you one thing. They never had to tell you how bad they were.
1:13:42
That's no, it's so when you hear men, you know, punk beating their chest and you know,
1:13:51
I asked a young man one time, I just got back from a rotation on a rack and I'm sitting on a
1:14:00
curb in front of a gym eating Chinese food. And this guy comes walking out. He's swole up. He's
1:14:09
ginger. He's wearing a tank top and he wants to buy me and I feel like the Lord wants me to talk
1:14:16
to him. So long story short, I said, Hey, man, he looks over at me. I said, what are you afraid
1:14:21
of? He was what? I said, what are you so afraid of? He goes, I ain't afraid. I ain't afraid of you.
1:14:30
I said, I didn't say me. I'm just old guy lion eating my food. And you know what? He said,
1:14:40
what do you mean by that? I said, no, I believe you'll fight any dude around here.
1:14:44
But you sure seem scared. And I said, has anybody ever affirmed that you got what it takes just
1:14:54
as a man, being like any step back. And he goes, no, I says, well, I train warriors. And I do things.
1:15:06
And I know one when I see one, and I said, you are that man, you don't ever have to try to prove
1:15:14
your value and your metal by looking for something. That's what I mean about being
1:15:21
you're scared that people will think you're not something. And we had a little bit more words.
1:15:27
He's actually thanked me. And he says, what's your name? I told him. And I said, you can Google
1:15:36
my name if you want. There's some stuff out there might help give you better content. He walked his
1:15:42
truck got his truck, googled it. And he was jumping up and down. He was so excited. So I think there's a
1:15:48
lot of young men and men that you never want to try to just be something, like try, just just be,
1:15:59
just like, that's where I'm at. Recognize your weaknesses, your institutes, but never be afraid
1:16:06
to withhold violence because somebody's testing you. I'll close with this today because it's my most
1:16:15
recent and I mean, my gosh, as one friend said, I don't know what it is about you. But there's always
1:16:26
something going on. I go, I know, man, trust me. I think I got a reputation. I try to get rid of
1:16:37
that most men want says, but man, you got a lot of fire for this stuff. Here recently, someone tried
1:16:44
to kill me in the US. And they shot at me. I was watching President Trump steal today kind of
1:16:54
got me a little emotional hearing him talk about the incident. But the guy shot at me through a
1:17:00
tinted window, elevated about a foot above me, and about three feet away. And around missed my eye.
1:17:10
Didn't hit my ears about two fingers away. And but when he shot, he shot through this
1:17:17
tinted window frame, the frame, aluminum full stuff got in my eye. And it cut me. And I was so
1:17:28
grateful that, you know, didn't hit me. But I instantly put my weapon and put my red dot on him.
1:17:35
And it got off the X. And I heard the Holy Spirit say, don't shoot him. And I didn't struggle. I just
1:17:41
put my weapon to lower that is like, okay, I moved many shoots again. I moved to a different
1:17:49
location. My wife calls 911. It was almost it was almost 20 minutes response. But I, you know,
1:17:58
I told my wife, I don't want to kill this guy. But if he comes out of that trailer,
1:18:03
this way, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to engage him. And I'm gonna kill him. Just please be ready.
1:18:10
And, you know, I've had, I've had people tell me, oh, I want to kill him. I just would have killed
1:18:21
him. I go, see, now, I would never say that in any other situation. And I always say,
1:18:27
well, have you ever killed somebody? Because I know what that's like. And it's a pretty permanent
1:18:33
decision. So I could return fire and blast this guy. But I got off the X. He can't shoot me, but I
1:18:42
can shoot him. And hearing God's voice say, don't there's a reason behind it. Now he went on to do
1:18:50
some bad things. It was a five and a half hour standoff. Got arrested and sadly the, you know,
1:18:56
family, people girlfriend, belt him out. And then killing someone killed the girlfriend that
1:19:02
belt him out, shot her face off of the shotgun. And I had to literally go to court a couple of
1:19:08
days ago, because of the second attempt at murder charges against me. But I'm telling,
1:19:14
I just want to tell men, especially young men, don't, don't fight or engage or react,
1:19:21
because you're trying to prove yourself. It's the worst thing. Be, be steadfast,
1:19:29
solid, prepared, know that there are, there are outcomes. And hear the Lord. I know when I've heard
1:19:39
the Lord to say yes. And I know one of her, his parents say no. And he's never felt so
1:19:50
trained like you need to be prepared. Even today, as we record, you know, on this, there was a
1:20:00
shutdown of computer systems, banks and airports, things can go sideways globally pretty good.
1:20:11
And finally, and you know, I love to visit with you more in the future. But you know, we were in
1:20:19
Israel, days after Gaza, we took a team in, because we had access and placement with SF teams there.
1:20:25
And we helped about 6,000 kids with trauma, relief. But you know, the two things,
1:20:31
the two responses I got from so many men who were actually in the cabutes fighting,
1:20:38
I said, how could this happen? I mean, y'all Israel, come on, give me a break, little Hamas.
1:20:44
They said we underestimated our enemy. And we were underprepared. And that's why
1:20:51
thousands have died. It's horrible. And me and another teammate, we actually went into Gaza.
1:21:00
We were the first Americans, the Israelis would tell on us, y'all the first Americans to go in
1:21:06
here with us. And the most important thing I did was pray. Most important thing I did was pray.
1:21:12
So I've encouraged men to be prepared physically, emotionally, and most important spiritually,
1:21:21
because we're all going to die. And I think Trump was that there's a level of humility that
1:21:29
comes with knowing, you know, inches away, or half an inch or a quarter of an inch away from
1:21:38
getting your head rearranged. And he, he publicly admitted it's by God's grace is God. And I do
1:21:46
the same. That's why I did a video for him. I was like, we may not be hard to find. We're just
1:21:54
hard to kill. And that's a level of confidence that you get from walking off the Lord, knowing
1:21:59
the truth, or else, you know, you got no business doing stuff. If you're always worried about dying,
1:22:08
you got to walk in boldness and all these areas. And so yeah, I have, I have good hope for America.
1:22:16
But the change will be through the men, not the women. And that's, that's the bulletproof mindset
1:22:23
that we need. But I mean, Victor, we've gone everywhere in this conversation. We went a little
1:22:27
bit over our normal a lot of time. But I think that we're all the better for it. But that's all
1:22:31
for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? Protect your marriage. Protect your
1:22:37
marriage. Watch our film Unseen War on our website. We have courses I encourage men to take. You can
1:22:43
pay a buck or a million dollars, whatever you want. But the Unseen War eight part course to
1:22:48
understand the spiritual warfare. We have one on marriage. I highly encourage thousands of
1:22:54
gone through it. And as far as marriage, look, learn to fight back to back, not nose to nose.
1:22:59
And if you're a single man, man, the Bible talks about there's great things going to have been
1:23:05
singing us. Practice purity so you don't lose power. That matters. Appreciate you guys and
1:23:12
I appreciate you, brother. Hey, well, we'll have to get you back on to talk about your bride and
1:23:17
everything else y'all got going on. And then, you know, figure out what kind of workout y'all are
1:23:20
doing. Y'all both look fantastic. But Victor, I appreciate you very much. Until next time.
1:23:24
All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Victor. But before we let you go, we are going
1:23:28
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1:23:39
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coming your way. Just go to www.undonton.life. And as always, we want to thank the band Holy Name
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for allowing us to use their music for our content. The music on this podcast is our song Perpetua,
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which is off their self-titled debut album on Face Down Records. The links are in the description.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual,
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mental and physical resilience. Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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you