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This is an indaunted life a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
1:26
Let's get into it.
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All right, guys.
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We've got a special guest on the podcast today.
1:29
His name is Victor Davis Hanson, so he's an American classicist, military historian and
1:33
conservative political commentator who has provided commentary for The New York Times,
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the Wall Street Journal, National Review, The Washington Times and many others.
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He's also the senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a visiting
1:45
professor at Hillsdale College.
1:46
He's also the author of many, many books, including two of his latest books, The Case
1:49
for Trump and The End of Everything, How Wars Descend into Annihilation.
1:53
If you've ever watched The Tucker Carlson show back when he was on Fox News, he would
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be a contributor on that quite a bit as well.
1:59
But in this interview, I took a little bit of a different tack than I do in normal interviews
2:02
because normally with an interview, I'll read the person's latest book or last couple
2:05
of books.
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Then we really dig into the content of that book and we go into specific quotes and we
2:09
go really, really deep, but Victor provides a lot of commentary about a lot of different
2:14
subject matters, not just the stuff that he writes about.
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What I did is I just put a list of all the things going wrong in America, in the world.
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And I'm like, we're just going to start digging into these different subject matters.
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And so we start light.
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We talk about the Middle East.
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Okay.
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So we talk about what's going on there.
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How did it get here?
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Why piece through strength is actually a really, really good idea.
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Then we get into the discussion of the November election, obviously with Kamala Harris going
2:37
against, you know, not technically going against Joe Biden, but going against Donald
2:41
Trump and what that could look like for the country, what we can expect if either one
2:45
of them is elected.
2:46
We talked about the Southern border.
2:47
We talked about the deep state.
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I got his opinion as to whether or not the assassination in Tampa, Donald Trump was kind
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of more of an inside job than it wasn't.
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And then at the end, I kind of teed him up to talk about, Hey, what's the subject matter
2:59
that people aren't talking enough about that you think we should be talking more about?
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So you want to stick around for that?
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But guys, without further ado, let's get into it.
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Victor Davis, handsome.
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Welcome to adult to life of man's podcast.
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Thank you for having me.
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I am so excited to have you on here.
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I've wanted to have you on here for a very long time and the thing is I was trying to
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find the right time and the right subject matter to actually tee you up to talk about.
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But the thing is, is the news cycle that we are currently living in, I feel like we've
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been living in for the last several years is so crazy and turns over so often that if
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it's all right with you, we're not going to do my normal cadence, which is, okay, let's
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read the book and let's really dig into certain quotes.
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There's a lot of subject matters going on on the planet right now and this episode will
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come out here in another week or two.
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If it's good with you, let's just launch into all these different topics.
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Yeah, you're the host.
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Go ahead.
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Anything's fine with me.
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Okay.
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Well, we're going to start easy.
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We're just going to find a soft place to land.
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So let's talk about the Middle East.
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Okay.
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So obviously there's a powder keg over there right now.
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As it sits right now, again, this will come out in a couple of weeks.
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Iran is obviously very flummoxed and flustered by some of the things that Israel has done.
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Obviously every leftist in America is saying that, you know, Israel is basically being
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the bad guy and they're increasing the temperature of what's going in the Middle East.
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Obviously, the Middle East is a myriad of contexts and a myriad of different conflicts
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kind of in this witches brew that is really hard to understand.
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But from where you sit right now, what is your read of what's going on in the Middle
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East and specifically how America can influence what will go on in the near future?
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Well, Jake Sullivan said right before the October 7th massacres at the Middle East
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portfolio was his calmest and what he was really saying, he didn't want to articulate
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it was that under Trump, Iran was neutered.
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It had lost $100 billion in revenue.
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We were out of the Iran deal.
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We had declared the Houthi appendage terrorists.
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We cut off Hamas in the Palestinian Authority and we killed Soleimani.
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We killed Baghdadi.
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We moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
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We told the al-Qaeda, Syrian, Assad, people, all of those people that the Golan Heights
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was going to be Israeli.
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So according to the left's logic, that should have caused a war.
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But it didn't.
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It had the opposite effect.
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And that's because Iran is an opportunistic bully.
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And any time they see us distance ourselves from Israel and pander to Iran, they interpret
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that left-wing magnanimity as weakness to be exploited rather than to be reciprocated
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and kind.
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That's just the way they think.
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So right now, we have turned on the oil, speak its for them, they're flushed with cash.
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They're a new ally of China and Russia because of the Ukraine war.
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And the only problem, the only hesitation they have is they are baffled about certain developments.
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And one of them was they sent over 300 missiles and drones and none of them hit a target.
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They don't know quite how the Israelis are killing all of their top people and not just
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in Gaza, they're killing them in Beirut, they're killing them in Damascus, they're
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even killing them in Tehran, and they know that that could not happen unless people within
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their regime are working for Assad.
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And that really scares them because Nasserallah, Khamenei, all of those people think if they're
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killing these people and we retaliate with a massive show of force, they're going to
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kill us too.
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And for now, they're testing the waters is what I'm trying to say.
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And finally, they're looking at the presidential election and they think there's a window of
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opportunity.
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They feel that last time Trump was too unpredictable, he was too confident in the United States'
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ability to strike back and they feel that there's a 50/50 chance he'll be president.
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So they feel that at least for now, they've got three months before the election and they've
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got three months after the election and in that six month period, they feel they're never
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going to get an opportunity again to see such disarray or passivity in Washington.
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And so I think it's going to be very dangerous.
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They're going to try to do something.
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But they're still unsure because they can't quite figure out what Israel is up to.
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And the Israelis for their point of view is we can't count on the United States.
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We've got enough weapons.
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We're stockpiling them and we're going to go ahead no matter what they tell us.
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They're very smart because they said we're going to kill some people that have killed
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Americans that had bounties and that'll embarrass the Biden administration.
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They'll have to condemn us, but then they'll be condemning people that they themselves
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put a bounty on.
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So this administration is probably the most anti-Israel that I've seen in my lifetime.
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And yet I think if you look at everything across the map, Israel's in a pretty good position.
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That's counter to what most conventional wisdom says.
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But if they get in a war with Hezbollah, Beirut will be worse than it was in 2006.
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And the economic minister of Lebanon said it took them 20 years.
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It will take them 20 years to recover and they haven't yet.
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So they know that.
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And so we'll see what happens.
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Yeah, I would certainly echo the sentiment that this is the most anti-Israel administration
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that we've seen probably certainly since the Obama administration and potentially what
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we could see with a Harris and now Walsh administration.
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Something that I try to do whenever I'm doing these intellectual exercises or trying to
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evaluate different ideologies or philosophies is I do try to steal man the opposite side.
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And so Victor, I've tried my very best in my limited mental capacity to steal man the
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people that are anti-peace through strength to steal man that ideology.
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But again, I'm fairly young in my attention span in terms of what's happened.
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My first election that I voted in was in 2004.
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Obviously, you've seen a lot more regimes and how they've operated in the international
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space.
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So is there a way to steal man people that are anti-peace through strength or is it just
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basically vapid nonsense?
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Well, as it applies to the Middle East, Obama came up with this idea because he didn't
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like Israel and he favored Muslim countries and he was a community organizer.
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And all three of those positions fueled kind of a crackpot idea.
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But his idea was that if you tilt it toward an axis of Tehran, Damascus, Beirut, Gaza,
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West Bank, he liked that because it filtered in with his underdog idea that these were
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the Shia, these were the Persians in Iran.
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They had always been the on low on the Islamic totem pole that she has had.
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The Persians were always at odds with the Arabs.
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He could not stand Saudi Arabia and the moderate Gulf States and Israel.
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In his way of thinking, he was going to create tension between these two blocks.
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And that would mean that we wouldn't let Israel tell us you guys have to help the only democracy
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in the Middle East.
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They would say, you know, we're going to stand back and then these two forces will be at
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each other's throat.
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And from time to time, we will step in and adjudicate as the puppeteer.
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And that just completely obliterated any reality that this one regime, this terrorist regime
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in Tehran was responsible for 90% of the deaths and killing in the Middle East and killing
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Americans with shape charges in Iraq.
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And it also obliterated the idea that Israel was the only liberal democracy constitutional
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system in the Middle East.
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And so that's where all this started.
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If you go back to the Clinton administration or even earlier, the Carter administration,
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Carter had some anti-Israeli feelings, obviously, but there was pretty much a bipartisan consensus
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since the '67 war that Israel was a unique country in the Middle East and it echoed our
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values and it was incumbent upon us, especially in the Cold War as a proxy.
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But even after the Cold War, that it was smart to help Israel and check radical Islamic
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terrorism and radical Islamic states.
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And once we adopted that position, we had certain advantages.
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We were able to flip the Egyptian government from Nasser to Mubarak.
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We were able to flip Jordan.
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We were able to get the Gulf kingdoms on our side.
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And then that was superseded with the Abrams Accords, which said, you guys not only can
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be neutrals, you can be allies of Israel because you have a common enemy in Iran.
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And then that blew up the Obama paradigm.
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And now we have found out, I think, over the last four years that Joe Biden was a puppet
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of veneer, a waxing figure.
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And he was coronated in March of 2020 when mysteriously the front runners, Bernie Sanders,
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Pete Buttishig, a little bit of war and all were forced out, almost like dominoes.
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In a week, Biden hadn't won a single primary, then he won South Carolina.
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They said, he's our veneer.
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We'll have a third Obama term, kind of a coup.
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And then when he was not able to fill that function any longer, it was too embarrassing
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that same group of players got rid of him.
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And so my point is they are the people in control.
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It's mostly the Obama people.
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When they're running Harris's campaign now, yeah, that's what I've, I've seen in, let's
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go ahead and switch into talking about that because when, when Donald Trump was shot,
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when the attempted assassination did not actually happen, I think most political pundits are
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like, this is over, like this is done with.
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But then as we've seen over the last several weeks, the mainstream media in a very coordinated
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effort has created out a Kamala Harris and Obama light-esque figure who is not going
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to be put in front of a microphone to answer any difficult questions and they're going
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to do everything they can to try to shine her up.
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But you know, as, as we've seen throughout, throughout history, you can only shine up
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a turd so much.
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But the thing is, is Biden hid in his basement and became president.
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Kamala Harris can certainly do the exact same thing.
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And the media will allow her to do so, but elections have consequences.
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We just got through talking about a lot of the consequences that came from an, you know,
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an impotent national security and, you know, foreign policy.
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And so my concern, Victor, is that no matter what happens in November that the country's
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going to burn.
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Now I know conservatives aren't typically the ones that destroy things, conservatives
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are the ones that build the things so they know what it takes to build it so they don't
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destroy it so easily.
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But if Donald Trump wins, that means orange hitlers back in the White House democracies
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over with all these types of things in the, you know, George Floyd summer will look like
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a picnic.
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But also I think there's so much angst and anxiety on the right right now about them
14:38
worrying about stealing the election again and Trump's definitely going to win.
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But what if he doesn't?
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What is your read about what happens in November, depending upon who ends up taking the White
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House back?
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Well, the elections going to be decided, I think, in just Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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I think for all of the loss of traction in Georgia, Arizona and Nevada that Trump will
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still win those states.
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I think he's got a good chance.
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That means that you're talking about Midwestern states and we just learned this morning in
15:18
a colossal blunder that Kamala Harris excluded Josh Shapiro.
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He's very popular.
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I don't know why he's very popular.
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He's a leftist, but he was very successful in posing as a moderate and he won an election.
15:33
He won an election as attorney general.
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He beat Republicans in Pennsylvania.
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And now not only is he not going to be a player to get that swing state, but there's
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going to be moderates and independents are going to be angry that she didn't pick him
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because he was Jewish and she vowed a radical of Muslims in Michigan.
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And I don't know if she's going to pick them up for doing that.
15:53
And then the second thing is about election fraud in November, we're going to still see
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in these states the effects of the 2020 kind of stealthy campaign to change the voting laws
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in all these states.
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The Republicans didn't try to stop but they didn't know what was going on.
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But when the effect of all those, whether it was ballot curing, third party ballot harvesting,
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10 days after the election, suddenly a mail in ballot was still valid if it was mailed
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in, partial names were okay, addresses didn't have to match.
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Sometimes a registrar's list didn't match the mail.
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All of that stuff gave the Democrats an enormous advantage because 70% of the people in these
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states didn't vote on election day.
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But there are a few things that give me hope.
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And one of them is it looks like the black vote might be as high as 15 to 18%.
16:51
Even with Kamala Harris, the Latino vote in places like Las Vegas or Nevada might be 45%.
16:59
So you're going to have a lot of constituents in these big cities like Detroit, like Milwaukee,
17:09
like Pittsburgh, like Philadelphia, that you didn't have last time.
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And their guy is Trump and they're going to be working with the ballots.
17:17
The other thing is Trump is a little bit wiser now.
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And he knows when Mark Zuckerberg gives $419 million as he wants to help ballot integrity,
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he means just the opposite.
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So everybody knows that Zuckerberg and Bloomberg and all these people are going to give money
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and try to warp the election by absorbing the work of registrars.
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So they're a little bit more savvy.
17:42
And the other thing is Trump himself, for most of the time, is a lot more disciplined
17:49
and he's got people around him that are much more astute than he did in 2016 or 2020.
17:55
So if he hits, if he is elected, he's not going to appoint people like a John Kelly or
18:03
a Jim Mattis or people in Homeland Security that are not on the agenda.
18:11
And more importantly, people that I like, I've met them.
18:14
They're fine.
18:15
Steve Bannon and I don't know Omarosa or Scaramucci, but these people were not suitable for those
18:21
types of jobs.
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They were liabilities.
18:24
So he's not going to have those types of problems.
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So I think if he can stop the voter fraud, he has a good chance of winning the electoral
18:32
college and yes, they will protest.
18:36
But this time, Trump knows that the FBI hierarchy, the CIA hierarchy, the Secret Service hierarchy,
18:44
the Capitol Police hierarchy, the Pentagon hierarchy have to be, to the extent their
18:49
political appointments, they have to be replaced because, and I think he will understand that.
18:55
I mean, every day we realize that the FBI or the, today the Secret Service basically announced
19:01
that the cocaine that was found in the White House, the director of the Secret Service,
19:08
she, he tried to destroy the evidence and career Secret Service people prevented that.
19:13
So I think there's a, he's a little bit more prepared.
19:18
What the left tried to do very successfully was they basically sent the nation a message.
19:25
If you're a rioter or the 14,000 that were arrested in 2020 and you looted or even killed
19:31
or hit policeman, you got exempt.
19:34
If you were at the Capitol, you're facing four or five years and your local community
19:39
has ostracized you, your name is in your local paper, you lost your job and they tried to
19:45
send a message that we can demonstrate against Trump, you can't demonstrate against anything.
19:54
And so that's something to be worried about because there's a lot of people are very angry
19:59
about a two tiered system of justice, but the, the remedy of that is for Trump to win the
20:07
electoral college, maybe the popular vote and to win the House and Senate and then to bring
20:12
in an experienced team and fire 20,000 of these people in the IRS, the Pentagon Secret
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Service, FBI, CIA, Victor, I don't like to, I don't really like to get into conspiracy
20:28
theories or conjecture too much because again, a tribute to incompetence, you know, as opposed
20:32
to malice and I believe all those things.
20:35
But going back to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, you know, you keep hearing
20:39
all these bumblings about the deep state and they're out to get Trump and all these different
20:42
things.
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And then every single bit of data that we get that comes out about the attempted assassination
20:48
stinks and stinks to high heaven about how anything like this could even vaguely be possible.
20:54
It's either one of the biggest blunders in the history of any type of, you know, policing
20:58
of any kind or security of any kind, or there's something more nefarious afoot again, even
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saying that I'm like, okay, just be calm.
21:06
Look at what's real and don't just like create these, these narratives.
21:11
But from your perspective, doesn't this situation seem like there were a lot of things that
21:17
were coordinated so that that bullet didn't just graze the former president's head, but
21:21
that it would actually would have met its target.
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I don't have the information to say, but I will say it's sort of analogous to a babysitter.
21:30
So a babysitter goes to one house and the child, she for some reason, she just adores
21:35
the child.
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She loves the family.
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She thinks they're great.
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They're politically aligned with her.
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The next day she asked a babysit somebody down the street.
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She hates their politics.
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She can't stand them.
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The kid she feels is disruptive.
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In each case, she's supposed to take one to a park and let them run around and watch.
21:58
Human nature being what it is, the family that she worships and they are aligned politically,
22:03
she's going to be a helicopter parent right on that child.
22:06
The other family, because she's probably not a professional, if that child wanders too close
22:11
to the pond, she said, ah, he's just a disruptive kid, he'll be okay.
22:16
In other words, there's an asymmetrical action.
22:20
So if Barack Obama was at a rally, or Joe Biden was at a rally, or Kamala Harris was
22:25
at an open-air rally, then the Secret Service would have had a very different approach,
22:31
at least the hierarchy would.
22:33
So what I think happened is people involved said, you know what, it's another one of those
22:39
crazy rallies with those crazy MAGA people, do we really need the FBI drones out here,
22:48
do we really need to get coordinated with these yokel law enforcement?
22:53
The guy just blusters and don, and nothing ever happens, and basically we'll just kind
22:58
of sleepwalk through him, you know, we don't like the guy anyway.
23:01
That was the attitude, I think, but it would not have been the attitude had he been a leftist
23:07
or a revered iconic leftist like Obama.
23:12
If Michelle Obama was speaking to a rally, they would have had snipers everywhere, they
23:16
would have had drones, they would have had balloons, they would have done everything.
23:20
I don't know if that constitutes a conspiracy, but I do think that from what we know about
23:26
the FBI and CIA and Secret Service, they have, the people who run those agencies are very
23:33
left-wing, and they adjust their behavior.
23:36
They would have never gone after Obama the way they did with the steel, but I'll say
23:40
after Trump, and we found that out with Lois Lerner.
23:44
She used the IRS to punish Bush non-profits right before the election, and she took the
23:51
Fifth Amendment, basically, because she said, I can't testify because I'd have to lie to
23:55
save my skin, and they let, and they never punished her.
23:59
So yeah, I don't know what that is, but it's definitely a different way of reacting.
24:04
Just like the January 6th, one day, one person dies, it's maybe two by the hand of another,
24:13
and one person is an unarmed 105-pound young woman who shot while unarmed, and suddenly
24:20
the officer who shoots that suspect, traditionally his name is plastered over every paper in the
24:25
United States.
24:26
Suddenly, we don't know who he is for six weeks.
24:28
Then we find out he got promoted for shooting an unarmed woman, and he lied and said that
24:34
there were, everybody was in danger when there were all these SWAT people armed to the teeth,
24:38
looking at her, who didn't shoot her.
24:40
And yet, you juxtapose that with $2 billion in damage, 35 people killed, 1,500 law enforcement
24:48
officers injured, 2020 riots, 14,000 arrests, precinct, police precinct burn, federal courthouse
24:58
torch, historic church, St. John's, across the street from the White House, torched,
25:04
and the people trying to break into that White House grounds to kill Trump, nothing.
25:09
Almost all of those people were let go.
25:11
Is that a conspiracy?
25:12
I don't know.
25:13
It just seems to me that they don't even go through the motions of a conspiracy.
25:19
They just overtly treat one group of people very differently than the other.
25:25
And the brazenness of how overt they are with it is somewhat shocking.
25:29
And I think the brazenness is a feature and not a bug.
25:33
This all kind of gets into a discussion about the supposed, if you will, deep state.
25:37
And so, again, Trump was very big in 2015, 2016, leading up to the drain the swamp narrative.
25:44
That was a big thing, and a lot of people bought into that.
25:47
And for all intents and purposes, in the four years he was in office, the swamp got bigger.
25:52
There was no draining of the swamp, at least not that I could see from my perspective.
25:56
And so, I do have some concerns as a person who did not vote for Trump in 2016 in the primaries.
26:02
I didn't vote for him in the general.
26:03
I voted for nobody in the general.
26:04
But then I kind of held my nose and voted for him in 2020.
26:07
And now I feel like I'm going to swim through lava to vote for him in 2024.
26:11
I'm not very optimistic that if he gets into office that he's going to be able to do from
26:17
the Oval Office, to be able to dismantle the parts of the deep state, that might be part
26:22
of these conspiracies that we don't know for sure or not if they are conspiracies.
26:26
What's your read?
26:27
It's going to be very difficult.
26:28
Supposedly the Heritage Foundation, I know that that was a very controversial project 2025.
26:35
They've separated from Trump, or he's separated from them on the policy.
26:38
But privately, I'm told that the 18,000 names of people who they were going to appoint, that
26:46
they have vetted for over a year, that's roughly corresponding to the 20,000 political appointments
26:53
they're responsible for.
26:54
So I do think that will happen.
26:57
They will do what Obama did.
26:58
Obama asked for the resignations.
26:59
I was a presidential appointee on the nonpartisan American Battlefield Monuments Commission in
27:06
charge of overseeing cemeteries of the U.S. dead.
27:09
As soon as Obama came in, we all had diplomatic passports.
27:14
They were all nonpartisan, some were appointed by Clinton, some were appointed by Bush.
27:19
He had everybody gone.
27:21
Just get out.
27:22
We don't want you.
27:23
And he didn't even appoint anybody for a year, but it was so important for Obama to clean
27:27
house to the most minuscule position.
27:31
And he stalked the DOJ.
27:33
Most of these attorneys going after Trump are Obama people that Trump allowed to stay
27:39
in.
27:40
I don't think he'll do that again.
27:41
He understands if he does that, and he has Comey's, McCabe's, and Brennan's, and Clappers,
27:46
and Fauci's, and he's in trouble because they'll go after him and they will use the administrative
27:52
state to destroy him.
27:53
It's either him or them, and he understands that.
27:56
I think.
27:57
And he's got people around him this time that are not so much in the rhetoric, but more
28:02
in the operation.
28:04
The problem they had before is they talked a great game and they were loud and they said
28:09
and then they didn't really do anything, they weren't disciplined.
28:13
But let's, it's going to be very hard for him to be elected because I've written a three
28:18
or four columns.
28:19
He has only 90 days to get Kamala Harris out of her basement, out of the Biden-like
28:26
cocoon, and into a form where she is not teleprompted or scripted.
28:32
Anytime she sits, speaks off the teleprompter or to a real journalist, it's embarrassing.
28:38
She's like a child.
28:39
But if he goes after Governor Kemp, or if he goes after her DNA, or he goes after her
28:46
relationship with Willie Brown, or he talks about the rig, Georgia election, these are
28:51
all legitimate, but not now, because he only has 90 days.
28:54
She hasn't been out there for two years because she was hidden as vice president.
28:59
And so he's just got to get one-on-one as many debates as he can, as many venues and
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say, this woman is a Bay Area socialist.
29:08
She was proud of it as soon as she's flipped now.
29:11
But if she were to be elected, she'll flop right back, and you'll have a government to
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the left of Biden.
29:16
And if he can do that, he'll win.
29:19
But if he gets angry and goes into all of these old feuds, I don't know how it helps
29:26
him to say that Joe Biden was the worst president in the world.
29:28
He was demented.
29:29
I slotted him in the election, all true.
29:32
But Biden is not running.
29:34
And, you know, a lot of people think, I'm so glad Biden's gone.
29:38
I feel sorry for the guy who's decrepit.
29:41
They took the president, the nomination from him.
29:44
I kind of feel sorry.
29:46
So why is Trump bashing this poor old man on the head?
29:49
That's what an independent voter feels right now.
29:52
So he should just forget all that stuff and go after Harris, the hardcore socialist.
29:57
And there's a lot of stuff in her record that supports that.
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I think that Trump and his team could just easily point at Harrison wall some be like,
31:42
if these people are elected, it will be the most left wing, most socialistic, most communistic
31:48
regime that we have ever had in this country and again, I think, I think most voters forget
31:54
the fact that they're not just voting for one person.
31:56
As you've already alluded to, you're voting for an entire federal apparatus, thousands
32:00
and thousands and thousands of employees.
32:02
So you might not like Trump personally as I very likely would not like him personally
32:07
or some of his foibles or some of his moral failings.
32:10
I'm not a fan of those things, but I am a fan of the people that he would hire that
32:14
are, for instance, not into killing babies, not into having a completely wide open border,
32:19
not into cutting off the healthy breast tissue of 13 year old gender confused girls.
32:24
And so that's what they really need to focus in on and they can deal with all the petty
32:27
stuff after the election, after that, after you get your moving boxes packed to go back
32:31
into the White House.
32:32
But I do actually want to circle back to the, well, did you have something else to add to
32:36
that, sir?
32:37
Well, you can see that with the Supreme Court had Trump not been elected in 2016, that Supreme
32:44
Court would be now all left wing and it would have destroyed the country.
32:49
And Trump would be in jail right now because of a willing that would favor Jack Smith.
32:57
There would be amnesties approved.
33:00
You name it.
33:01
You could mandate the confiscation of guns.
33:05
That's what Kamala Harris said.
33:06
She said she wanted a mandated by back.
33:08
Right.
33:09
I don't understand that.
33:12
She left over 400,000 assault weapons and turned them over to the Taliban, but they want
33:17
to take them away from American citizen doesn't make you sin.
33:20
Well, look at what's going on right now in England.
33:22
I bet a lot of those people wish that they were armed whenever they're going up against
33:27
fundamentalist Muslim gangs that are roving the streets of Manchester and those people
33:31
are just basically sitting there with their limp wrists trying to fight back.
33:34
But I do want to circle back to the Southern border.
33:37
So obviously this is a concern to a bunch of Americans for a myriad of different reasons.
33:41
So obviously the fentanyl crisis, it's an absolute crisis.
33:44
Most of that coming through the Southern border.
33:46
Yeah, people that are undocumented coming through the Southern border that are criminals,
33:50
not saying that all these people are coming through our criminals, but any time any American
33:55
or any Americans property is stolen or harmed or someone has killed or maimed or injured
34:00
by someone that shouldn't be here.
34:01
It is an absolute travesty.
34:03
And again, when Trump was in office, it was better, but it still wasn't good.
34:08
The Southern border was open, it just wasn't wide, completely open like it's been for the
34:13
last almost four years.
34:15
And so the thing that most people have kind of come to the conclusion is eventually Republicans
34:21
will cave and provide amnesty or not be able to stop amnesty for well over 15 million people
34:28
that are here illegally.
34:30
And then that will create a new voter block for Democrats to dominate states that are,
34:36
you know, states like Texas, that would fly potentially straight from red, skip purple
34:40
and go straight to blue, thus baking a national election in the election of a Republican nationally
34:45
and impossibility moving forward.
34:47
What do you think about what's currently happening on the Southern border and what Trump can
34:52
tangibly do?
34:53
Because some people get this cartoonish idea that, oh, we're just going to build the wall
34:55
and then we're not going to have to deal with the border anymore.
34:58
Like the cartels are smarter than that.
34:59
They can build tunnels.
35:01
People get in, you know, with vehicles and all things through normal ports of entry.
35:04
They're not just walking across the desert.
35:06
But what's your read of that situation?
35:08
Well, that's certainly what the left wants.
35:12
And anytime that what you just said, they caricature is the great replacement theory,
35:18
the paranoia is of so-called white Americans, but they're unabashedly confident about what
35:24
you just said because they write books called the new Democrat, the new Democratic majority
35:30
or demography is destiny or they have this, you know, like when Mark Zuckerberg gives
35:35
over $14, $419 million, it's to register new people automatically.
35:42
So their idea is if you're in California, the DMV sends out a ballot, the unemployment
35:47
office sends out a ballot, they all do.
35:49
Every state agency you come in contact and they don't trace them.
35:53
Millions of ballots, California has no idea where they were.
35:55
So that's what they want to do.
35:58
I don't know that, but the problem again gets back to he was orphaned from both the Democratic
36:04
and Republican parties.
36:07
He didn't really, he'd only been to Washington, D.C., he said, I think it's 15 times.
36:12
So he started making these appointments that were traditional Republicans because nobody
36:16
else wanted to serve with him.
36:18
And I think if you look back at John Kelly, when he was Homeland Security person, or you
36:22
look back at Anonymous, the New York Times person who wrote, was Chad somebody, he said,
36:31
our duty is to stop Trump from within.
36:34
He was working in Homeland Security.
36:36
Then you count, I counted up the lawsuits, they filed against them.
36:40
It was over 30 lawsuits and they stopped for all practical purposes.
36:47
They stopped the wall.
36:49
They didn't stop the 500 miles he rebuilt, but he only got about 30 miles of the new wall.
36:55
He asked the Pentagon to go down and help.
36:57
The Mattis Pentagon and most of the later people in the Pentagon just said they weren't
37:03
going to do it.
37:04
What are you going to do about it?
37:05
We're not going to do it.
37:07
So he had people within his administration and in the courts who were cherry pick liberal
37:14
judges by left wing lawyers.
37:16
They spent millions, probably over $1 billion over four years to do what they did.
37:22
And finally, finally by 2020, he had gone down to Mexico and he told the Mexican government
37:31
that he was going to renegotiate NAFTA and they was going to tax the $60 billion in remittances
37:40
at 10 percent and he was going to force them to patrol the border, say that people had
37:50
to apply for refugee status in Mexico, tell the border patrol to stop catch and release.
37:55
If you look at the numbers, suddenly around June of 2020, it went like this.
38:00
So he had solved the problem.
38:02
And we know he solved the problem because for two reasons.
38:06
Joe Biden's had about 30 or 40 executive orders and he deliberately focused on everything
38:14
Trump had done.
38:15
Stop the wall, bring back catch and release, refugee status in here, tell Mexico it's okay,
38:23
send more people.
38:24
And then when the election came up, he and Harris went back and you look at what they
38:28
did, they starting to turn the spigot off again.
38:32
They're working with the Mexican government now and they do not want an open border in
38:37
the next, but what they're doing is they're just reviving what Trump did.
38:41
And so we know, I guess what I'm saying is if Trump, if Biden and Harris are doing it,
38:46
what Trump did, we know it works.
38:49
And so all Trump has to do is get somebody like Stephen Miller or somebody who agrees
38:54
with him and they know how to do it now and they will shut the border.
38:57
Once you shut the border, then you can start dealing with all of the other issues.
39:03
You can't deal with any issue if the borders open, but you've got 10 million people who
39:07
came in under Biden.
39:09
They all have to be deported.
39:10
We have no background checks, nothing on them.
39:14
Then you get into the next group.
39:16
There's about 25 million other people and there and various gradations.
39:21
Some have been here a year, some have criminal records, some have DUI, which are criminal
39:26
records.
39:27
Some have been here 15 years, some have been here 20 years.
39:31
And I'm in ground zero right here in Selma, California, 95% Hispanic.
39:36
So I found a dead person in my orchard.
39:39
Every Sunday I go out with a pickup truck and pick up trash.
39:42
It's all in Spanish.
39:43
I'm talking about wet garbage, car seats, appliances, just all these illegals are living
39:49
out in the country in trailers, in tents, winter bagels that don't run rented by their landlords.
39:56
40, 50 of them an acre in some places.
39:59
And they don't sign up for garbage.
40:00
Their dogs are not vaccinated.
40:02
You get bit, you're in trouble.
40:04
So all of that has to be deported.
40:08
But then on the other hand, I see some guy who comes by and rewiring my house.
40:17
It's a licensed contractor.
40:19
Everybody's licensed, I say, to the contractor politely.
40:22
Is this person legal?
40:24
Well, he's been here 21 years.
40:27
He came when he was four.
40:29
He served in the military.
40:31
He's never been on welfare, and he's my best electrician, and he's a Trump voter.
40:37
And then you say to him, well, don't you think they should deport him?
40:41
And he says, well, where would he go?
40:43
So what I'm getting at is in order to deport the 20 million people you should deport, there's
40:50
going to have to be some -- some -- and I don't mean citizenship.
40:55
I don't mean amnesty.
40:56
I'm just saying for the 5 million who have been here over 10 years, they've never been
41:01
on welfare.
41:02
They're working.
41:03
They've never been arrested.
41:04
Many of them have been in the military.
41:06
If they want to apply for a green card, then that's up -- I think we could give them a
41:11
green card.
41:12
And then they can decide what they want to do.
41:14
But they'll have to apply for citizenship, the way legal immigrants do it, to take them
41:18
10 years.
41:19
And Ronald Reagan did that on the Simpson-Mazoli Act.
41:21
It was kind of a disaster.
41:23
He gave everybody who was here 6 million people a chance to apply for citizenship.
41:30
You know how many people applied for citizenship?
41:32
Thirty percent.
41:33
Thirty percent.
41:35
The rest said, you know what, I'm just going to get a green card and go back to Mexico.
41:40
I don't think very many of them would apply -- because you know what, to be cynical, what's
41:45
the advantage of citizenship anymore if you think about it?
41:48
What can a green card holder do that a citizen can't?
41:54
He can serve in the military.
41:55
He can get federal welfare.
41:57
He can get state welfare.
41:58
He can apparently go across a border without a passport, just like Americans.
42:03
He can do -- they're voting in Berkeley.
42:07
Non-citizens are voting in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
42:10
And California and non-citizens are appointed to offices.
42:14
So citizenship is really evaporated.
42:18
So I don't know what he's going to do, but he's got to deport -- start -- if he can deport
42:24
the 10 million people who came in on the Biden, that will create a different climate.
42:30
And you won't see people -- if he departs 10 million, you won't see people in LA Coliseum
42:38
rooting for the Mexican national soccer team against their own team.
42:42
If he can do that?
42:45
That's something that I've seen and I've commented about on the show before to where
42:48
it's like, if you come here because you want to be in this country so much, because the
42:53
country you come from is so bad, then why are you cheering for your home country against
42:57
the country that you're actually taking a residence in?
42:59
It's absolutely an affidavit to me, I don't understand it.
43:02
But Victor, we're running short on time, and so I've got a million other subject matters
43:05
I'd like to talk to you about.
43:06
But I just want to tee you up to talk about whatever you want to talk about.
43:10
Is there a particular topic because of the craziness of the new cycle in the election
43:15
year and everything else that's going on?
43:16
Is there something that is flying under the radar that people aren't talking about at
43:22
all or nearly enough that you want to make sure that we're aware of?
43:27
Well, if you look at all of the Biden issues, the border, the economy, crime, foreign policy,
43:36
he's not even getting close to 50% approval.
43:40
And when you talk to people, and I talk to people of all walks of life, because I live
43:45
two existences, one at Stanford University during the week with the most left-wing wealthy
43:50
people in this country, and then here in southwestern Fresno County, some of the poorest people.
43:57
But wherever you are, there's an anger, and I don't know how to describe it, an anger
44:04
that there's a two-tiered system of justice, and there are bicultural elites that are using
44:13
their globalized money and influence in the media and entertainment, in the universities
44:19
and foundations on Wall Street and Silicon Valley, to push utopian agendas that nobody
44:26
wants and which they themselves would be hurt, but they are so wealthy and they never expect
44:33
to experience the consequences of their own ideology.
44:36
So they hate charter schools.
44:42
They're all for teachers' unions, but their kids are in parochial schools or private schools.
44:47
They demand 30 cents a kilowatt, so nobody can turn their air conditioner here, but they've
44:53
got 9,000 square foot homes and they don't care because they make so much money.
44:58
And down the line, they want to ban natural gas, but they have Italian natural gas stoves
45:03
in their homes.
45:04
I've been in them.
45:05
They say that everybody's got to have to an EV, a trucker should have to charge his
45:10
semi every 300 miles, but they fly on $50 million jets.
45:15
And everybody understands that now, and they're getting really, really angry about it, and
45:19
I don't know how that anger, it seems to me that it's manifesting in two different ways.
45:26
One way is the monastery of the mind, where the guy says, and I talk to these people all
45:30
the time, I'm done.
45:32
I'm going to Nevada, I'm going to Montana, I'm going to Wyoming, I'm going to Tennessee,
45:37
I'm going to Texas, or I'm going up the Sierra Nevada foothills, or I'm going up to Northern
45:44
California, above Sacramento, and I've never turned on the Oscars.
45:48
I don't know what the Emmys ceremonies are, I could care less.
45:51
I haven't watched an NBA game in years.
45:54
I don't know.
45:55
I don't know what Hollywood movie, I haven't watched a network news program in 10 years.
46:01
I'll never watch a Disney movie, I'll never drink a Bud Light, that kind of person who
46:07
just says, America lost me, and I'm not participating, and they don't vote a lot of them.
46:14
Many of them are very religious, homeschooled, et cetera, et cetera.
46:19
And then there's the other half of the pushback, and that pushback is very, very angry.
46:24
I don't think it's as big, but it's very angry.
46:27
And that pushback says, put it this way, if something should happen to Trump because the
46:38
left has called him Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, even after he was shot and created a climate
46:45
in which some deranged 20 year old thinks he would be Jesus Christ if he shot Trump because
46:51
he would be in the pantheon of left wing heroes.
46:56
Or he looks at the Secret Service and says, my God, they are so lax and they really don't
47:02
take much effort to protect Trump.
47:04
And if that 20 year old buffoon can do that, I can do a lot better.
47:09
So I'm really worried in the next three months that we're going to have further attacks on
47:14
Trump and violence from the left.
47:17
But this time, if the left, I think the people on the right are so angry, if the left starts
47:22
to be violent, half of them won't just say, I'm dropping out of American society, they're
47:29
going to be very, very angry.
47:32
And I don't know how that's going to express itself, but if, well, I think I already know
47:39
how it expresses, it's very BLM and Antifa don't go into certain places.
47:45
We all know that.
47:46
They don't go into rural California.
47:48
They don't go into rural America in general.
47:55
And it's a very dangerous time.
47:59
It's going to start in Chicago because I think Kamala Harris was so scared of a riot from
48:06
the Islamic people had he had she appointed Josh Shapiro.
48:11
But I still think they're going to cause trouble for cause a lot of trouble.
48:14
This time, everybody on the right will say, go ahead and do it.
48:17
It's your people, but it's going to get pretty frightening and we'll see what happens if
48:27
Trump were elected, there's going to be some pretty wild things.
48:32
I think he's going to pardon most of the January six people, which most of them need to be
48:37
pardon, almost all of them, but that's going to be a very contentious issue.
48:41
I think before anybody knows it on day one, there's going to be bulldozers down at the
48:46
border, building that wall to finish it all the way.
48:51
And they're left is going to go hysterical.
48:52
I mean, they're going to go crazy and they're going to try to do stuff that makes the steel
48:57
dossier and the Russian disinformation and getting them off the ballot and teaching them
49:02
to look like child's play because they know they've lost it.
49:07
They've lost the American people if Trump can get elected after all the stuff they threw
49:10
at him, impeachment, dossier, disinformation, get him off the ballot, five civil and criminal
49:18
lawsuits, assassinate, and they still, he still gets elected.
49:22
I mean, that's pretty amazing.
49:25
And I think they'll, they'll go crazy.
49:27
They'll say, how do you stop this guy?
49:29
Yeah, I mean, it'll be Teflon Don to a new level and to a degree.
49:33
I think it'll be the Jason Aldine song, try that in a small town, but across the entire
49:37
country.
49:38
Victor, we are completely out of time.
49:40
I'm so happy that we're able to weave an out of all these different subject matters.
49:43
But that's all for me.
49:44
Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
49:45
No, that's it.
49:46
Thank you for having me.
49:47
All right.
49:48
Thanks for coming on.
49:49
Okay.
49:50
There you go.
49:51
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