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"This is Undaunted Life, a Man's Podcast."
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"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light
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Guys, here's the thing about what we do on this podcast.
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As I've already mentioned, we talk about tough subjects.
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We talk about tough subjects a lot.
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We talk about the toughest subjects.
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And maybe the tough subjects you can possibly talk about as a human is the subject of abortion.
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Okay?
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And abortion is especially on the top of everyone's minds right now because of what's currently
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going on in the Supreme Court.
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So last week, we saw the oral arguments for the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization
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in the Supreme Court.
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Okay?
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So that's Mississippi's late term abortion case.
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The reason why so many people are paying attention to this case is because there's a potentiality.
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I don't think it's a high potentiality again.
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We'll get way more into the case later on a later episode or something like that.
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But there's a potentiality that the Supreme Court could rule in this case in a way that
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would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade, which again would not eradicate abortion here in
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the United States.
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But what it would do is it would return the abortion rights and abortion laws to the states.
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So presumably the red states that actually care about the unborn, they could actually
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ban abortions out right now.
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That's where a lot of people are kind of confused as to kind of like, well, my state has a this
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week abortion ban or a heartbeat bill or these things.
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Would that become the law of the land essentially whatever laws on the books in the states would
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become the law of the land unless Roe v. Wade is kind of made a federal law or something
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like that.
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So anyway, everyone's paying attention to it.
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And then even here recently on episode 257 of this podcast, we talked about how to engage
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pro-abortion arguments.
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Okay?
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Now specifically in that episode, we went through, I don't know, a dozen, maybe more different
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arguments that people will make that are on the pro-abortion side of those things.
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And in that episode, we mentioned when people say something along the lines of, you know,
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even if the baby is taken to term and born, there wouldn't be anyone to adopt them.
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Now we dealt with that objection because it's not that there are too few families that are
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willing to adopt.
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It's that there are too few babies available to be adopted and that's because of abortion.
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And Planned Parenthood has a lot to do with this because basically, you know, for every
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one referral that they give for an adoption center, they kill over a hundred different
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babies. And again, there's usually around 40 couples in the United States waiting for
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every one baby that has placed for adoption.
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But here's the thing that's crazy that we've seen over the last week or so.
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I mean, we're seeing things that we thought we'd never see.
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But the pro-abortion lobby, the pro-abortion news and the pro-abortion side, they are so
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unbelievably desperate to affect public opinion on the subject of abortion that they're willing
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to go to some crazy links to do so.
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And in no way was that more apparent than what we saw in the December the 3rd, 2021 edition
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of The New York Times.
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They posted a guest essay by Elizabeth Spears called, "I was adopted.
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I know the trauma it can inflict."
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So right there from the jump, the title is weird.
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The title is ominous.
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And I remember whenever I first read the title, I was adopted, I know the trauma it can inflict.
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I was thinking, okay, this is going to be about somebody that was adopted.
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They were adopted into what seemed to be a nice family, but they were abusive family,
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whether they were violent or sexually abusive or something like that, or they were taken
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advantage of in some sort of other way.
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And then maybe they were put up for adoption again.
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That's what I thought we were going to get, okay?
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But that's not at all what this article was and just a little side note on Elizabeth Spears.
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I think it's Spears, but it might be Spires, but I'll just say Spears.
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She's a Democratic digital specialist, which the fact that she's a Democrat is going to
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be readily apparent when I start reading this article.
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And she was actually adopted as an infant.
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Now what I'm going to do real quick is I'm going to read through the entire article.
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It is not very long.
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I'm going to read through it first without making any stops, but then we're going to
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go back and break it down and make sure you stick around to the end of the podcast because
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we're going to talk about the reasons why this article is so important.
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So let's talk about this article.
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I'll go and read it here.
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I was adopted.
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I know the trauma it can inflict by Elizabeth Spears on Wednesday as a Supreme Court heard
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oral arguments from state attorneys seeking to uphold Mississippi's 15 week abortion
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ban.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett kept getting at one question.
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Why was abortion necessary when women who do not want to be mothers can simply give their
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babies up for adoption as an adoptee myself.
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I was floored by justice Barrett's assumption that adoption is an accessible and desirable
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alternative for women who find themselves unexpectedly pregnant.
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She may not realize it, but what she is suggesting is that women don't need access to abortion
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because they can simply go do a thing that is infinitely more difficult, expensive, dangerous
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and potentially traumatic than terminating a pregnancy during its early stages.
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As an adoptive mother herself, justice Barrett should have some inkling of the complexities
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of adoption and the toll can inflict on children as well as birth mothers.
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But she speaks as if adoption is some kind of idyllic fairytale.
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My own adoption actually was what many would consider idyllic.
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I was raised by two adoptive parents, Alice and Terry.
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From the time I was an infant, I grew up in a home where I knew every day that I was loved.
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A few years ago, I found my biological mother Maria and three siblings I didn't know I
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had via a DNA test and Facebook.
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The first time I spoke to Maria on the phone, she lives in Alabama, not too far from my
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parents and I live in Brooklyn.
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She apologized repeatedly for giving me up and she told me she loved me and that I would
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always be family.
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You are blood, she would say later.
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I told her and continue to tell her every time she brings it up that an apology is unnecessary.
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I had a wonderful childhood and I believe that she made the right decision, but she remains
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heartbroken about the years we missed together.
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Both Maria and my mom, Alice, oppose abortion on religious grounds.
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My mom is white and southern Baptist, Maria is Hispanic and Pentecostal.
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Both like to point me to justify their belief, point to me to justify their beliefs saying
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that had Maria gotten an abortion, I would not exist.
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It's a fairly familiar argument and the anti-abortion movement likes to invoke Nobel Prize winners
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who might never have materialized or potential adoptees who might have cured cancer if they
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hadn't been aborted at eight weeks.
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I'm no Nobel Prize winner, but I still resent being used as a political football by the
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right.
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I believe that abortion is a form of health care and that every woman should have access
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to it if she needs it.
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But perhaps more than that, I resent the suggestion by people like Justice Barrett that adoption
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is a simple solution and I rescind it on behalf of Maria, who found the choice she made traumatizing
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and still feels pain 44 years later, even when an adoption works out well, as it did
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in my case, it is still fraught.
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When I echo Maria in saying that she gave me up, the language always wrinkles adoptive
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parents because it introduces an unpleasant complexity, implying that the birth mother
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was not completely happy with her choice, or worse, that it made her miserable.
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But that is sometimes the case, even when adoption is the best option for all involved.
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Adoption is not always an unalloyed good.
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It's a complicated choice in a situation that has no right and no wrong answer.
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If the court overturns Roe v. Wade, many women will be forced to give birth to children
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they did not want or do not feel that they could afford to support.
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While pregnant, they will undergo the bonding with a child that happens by biological design
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as an embryo develops into a living, breathing, conscious human, and within the child will
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be taken away.
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The right likes to suggest that abortion is a traumatic experience for women, a last resort,
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a painful memory.
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But adoption is often just as traumatic as the right thinks abortion is, if not more
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so, as a woman has to relinquish not a lump of cells but a fully formed baby she has lived
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with for nine months.
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I'm a mother myself to an adorable six-year-old self-proclaimed Fortnite expert, and as is
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often the case, I did not know I was pregnant with him until the unusual symptoms appeared
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a few weeks into the pregnancy.
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As anyone who has gestated with a human will tell you, there is a vast difference between
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the fourth week of a pregnancy and the 40th.
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By the 40th, you're familiar with your baby's regular rhythms of kicking, moving, and moving.
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When I woke, my son would wake up shortly after and I'd feel him turning and stretching,
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or at least pleasantly jamming his precious little foot into what felt like my cervix.
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This is one of the paradoxes of pregnancy, something alien is usurping your body and
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sapping you of nutrition and energy, but your program to gleefully enable it and you to
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become desperately protective of it.
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It is a kind of biological brainwashing.
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This often happens whether you want to be a parent or not.
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Justice Barrett is well aware of the kind of biological brainwashing that occurs during
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pregnancy.
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She gave birth to five children, and yet she belied seems to assume that a mother can simply
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choose not to bond with a child she's gestating solely on the basis that she is not ready to
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be a mother or believes that she is unable to provide for the child.
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She assumes that the mother will be supported financially and otherwise throughout the pregnancy
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even in a country where maternal mortality statistics are abysmal, and she assumes that
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children surrendered for adoption will find a home and not a bed in the foster care system.
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She probably assumes these things because she cannot fathom being in this position herself.
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These are assumptions that stem from the privilege of being financially secure, having never
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needed an adoption, and perhaps the assumption that women who do have done something wrong
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and must face the consequences.
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In my experience, some on the right believe that the trauma, adoption, inflicts is a consequence
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of irresponsibility, but unexpected pregnancy is not a de facto function of bad decision-making.
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It can be a failure of contraception, the product of rape, a mistaken belief that a woman is
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infertile.
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There is no justifiable reason to inflict harm on women and the babies that they might produce
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in any of these situations regardless of judgment.
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The trauma doesn't just affect mothers either, researchers have a term for what children
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who are adopted even as infants may suffer from later in life, relinquishment trauma.
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The premise is that babies bond with their mothers in utero and become familiar with
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their behaviors.
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When their first caretaker is not the biological mother, they register the difference and the
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stress of it has lasting effects.
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I probably got off easy in that respect in part because I did spend a few months with
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my biological mother before I was adopted, but that had the unintended effect of traumatizing
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my older siblings who remember me as a baby who was there and then suddenly was gone.
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This was driven home to me by my older sister, Bobby, whose first encounter with me was over
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Facebook.
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All I can say is I remember you, she wrote, "I have loved you and missed you my entire
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life."
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What justice Barrett and others are suggesting women do in lieu of abortion is not a small
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thing.
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It is life-changing, irrevocable, and not to be taken lightly.
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It often causes trauma even when things work out and it's a disservice to adoptees and
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their families, biological, and adopted to pretend otherwise in service of a neat political
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narrative.
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Now, I know for a lot of you, that was punishing to hear, probably as punishing it was for
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me to read all that out loud, but hey, we got it all out there, but now we need to break
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this thing down because there are a lot of issues here.
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So let's go ahead and dig in and I'm going to go ahead and kind of read the sections
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and then kind of dig in.
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So here's from the very beginning.
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On Wednesday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments from state attorneys seeking to uphold
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Mississippi's 15-week abortion ban, Justice Amy Coney Barrett kept getting at one question.
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Why was abortion necessary when women who do not want to be mothers can simply give their
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babies out for adoption?
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So this is an entirely reasonable question for anyone to ask, especially Justice Amy
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Coney Barrett, who's going to be one of the people trying to decide this case.
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But the inclusion of this question framed in the way that it is in the first sentence
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of the article is not an accident.
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What she's trying to do, what Ms. Spears is trying to do, is to imply that the premise
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of the question is problematic and wrong for someone to ask, well, why wouldn't someone
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just give this baby up for adoption as opposed to killing it from the very beginning of this
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article?
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They're trying to pose that as a ridiculous thing to think, much less say out loud, okay?
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Then she says, as an adopting myself, this is an appeal to authority.
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Obviously, she's trying to say, hey, I know better because I'm actually an adopting myself,
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which depending upon how you're framing the article could be accurate.
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But in her case, not so much, she goes on to say this, I was floored by Justice Barrett's
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assumption that adoption is an accessible and desirable alternative for women who find themselves
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unexpectedly pregnant.
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This is a ridiculous thing for this woman to say because it is totally accessible.
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I mean, do you know of any woman on the planet that so fervently wanted her unborn baby to
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be adopted and they found no organizations, no clubs, like no companies, no businesses,
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like no one could help them, no churches, no ministries?
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That doesn't exist.
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It's a false thing.
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Also, she says it isn't a desirable outcome.
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It's not a desirable alternative.
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Now, there are reasons that abortion is not or that adoption, rather, is not a desirable
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outcome for women.
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The first is that a lot of these women are selfish.
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I know that that's hard for some of you to hear, but they're selfish.
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And we know this from the data that if they don't want their baby, if they've made the
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decision that they don't want their baby, they don't want you to have their baby.
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A lot of these women would rather their babies be dead than for you to have them.
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And organizations like Planned Parenthood and other organizations that kill babies as
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their practice, as their business, they convince these women that the baby will be destitute
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or be physically or sexually abused.
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And that's all that basically could happen if they can actually get adopted.
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They're like, you know, basically, you know, if it can even get adopted and not just end
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up in the horrible system, it'll probably be a horrible life for this kid.
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That's what they do.
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It's their business.
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They want you to give them five or 600 bucks to kill your baby.
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That's what they want you to do, right?
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So let's get back in the article here.
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She may not realize it, but what she is suggesting is that women don't need access to abortion
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because they can simply go and do a thing that is infinitely more difficult, expensive,
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dangerous and potentially traumatic than terminating a pregnancy during its early stages.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So first of all, difficulty and expense is not a good excuse to kill someone, right?
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Because if you apply that standard to some human being that's in the womb, you should
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be able to apply that to a standard to a person that has been born is now in the world, right?
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Whether you're talking about your two year old that you don't like their tantrums anymore,
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or you're talking about a 16 year old that is completely dependent on you because maybe
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they have some severe, you know, mental disorder or deformity of some kind.
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The fact that it's difficult and expensive is not a good excuse to kill someone.
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Also she mentions that it's dangerous.
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Now abortions might kill mom.
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Okay.
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Cause that's always a potential outcome of any surgery is that you may not actually wake
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up.
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You know, there's a lot of situations in surgery and when the leading causes of death every
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year in the United States, even though we're the most advanced medical country that there
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is in terms of technology, most of the time you have people that die because of issues
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that happen with doctors.
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It's just something that happens, right?
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But it might kill mom, but almost 100% of the time, unless it's a botched abortion,
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it 100% of the time kills baby, right?
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So you're talking about danger and you're only talking about mom, you're not talking
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about the baby, but that she also says it's potentially traumatic.
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Okay. So the funny thing here is that she's automatically assuming that having the baby
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will be traumatic, but that killing one won't be and she's automatically assuming that putting
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a baby up for adoption will be traumatic, but the killing of the baby won't be.
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How interesting.
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Think of just think about how she's framing that and again, she's essentially positioning
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abortion, you know, otherwise known as baby murder as the more humane and loving option
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than allowing the baby to live, right? Hey, you know, abortion, it might be a hard discussion,
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which again, if it's morally neutral, why would it be hard to kind of figure out whether
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or not you should get an abortion?
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But in this case, and in the case of her, she's saying basically for all these people
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involved here, which we'll get into more here in just a second, with all these people involved,
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abortion is probably a better option than adoption, right?
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So let's get back into the article here.
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As an adoptive mother herself, Justice Barrett should have some inkling of the complexities
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of adoption and the total can inflict on children as well as birth mothers.
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But she speaks as if adoption is some kind of a dealic fairy tale.
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Now, is almost every single adoption scenario, idealic?
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I mean, from the perspective of the children, because the options for most of these children
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are to be orphans or to be in an adoptive home, typically with people that are loving,
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right?
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So almost every single adoption scenario is ideal, like not perfect, not, you know, flush
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with cash, not amazing, but it's certainly ideal to compare to the other options, right?
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And also, you can assume that every single adoptive child in America, even the ones that
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are living in poor conditions, they'd rather be in those poor conditions as opposed to
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being dead.
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And we talk about this all the time, it's like, oh, well, you know, if this baby is giving
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up for adoption, it might go to a family that doesn't have a lot of money, the family might
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abuse them, the family might not be emotionally stable.
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And as bad as some of those things can be, and I don't mean to diminish them, I'm saying
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compared to death, they're definitely preferable, right?
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Like, I'm not crazy to say that, am I?
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Let's get back into the article here.
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My own adoption actually was what many would consider idyllic.
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I was raised by two adoptive parents, Alice and Terry from the time I was an infant and
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grew up in a home where I knew every day that I was loved.
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A few years ago, I found my biological mother Maria and three siblings I didn't know I
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had VA DNA test and Facebook.
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The first time I spoke to Maria on the phone, she lives in Alabama, not too far from my
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parents and I live in Brooklyn, she apologized repeatedly for giving me up and she told me
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she loved me and that I would always be family.
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You are blood, she would say later.
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I told her and continue to tell her every time she brings it up that the apology is unnecessary.
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I had a wonderful childhood and I believe she had made the right decision, but she remains
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heartbroken about the years we missed together.
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Now, let's talk about Maria.
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Maria, her mother is heartbroken because of the decisions that she made that led to her
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becoming pregnant in the subsequent decisions that she made that led to her giving up her
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baby daughter for adoption, right?
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Maria wasn't raped.
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She wasn't forced to get pregnant, right?
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She had consensual sex and decided to give away the baby that resulted from that sexual
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encounter.
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That's what quote unquote happened to Maria.
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She made decisions.
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Now Maria, she's feeling the tremendous guilt that only a mother can feel when she abdicates
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her number one responsibility on earth and that's being a mother and caring for her child,
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right?
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So that's this supposed trauma that the author of this opinion piece is saying is that the
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trauma here is like, look, she's missed me all this time.
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Well, wouldn't it be worse if she didn't miss you that if she gave birth to you, hung
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out with you for a few months and gave you away as if you were like some extra football
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she had lying around in the garage, like wouldn't we expect her to feel this way?
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I mean, again, she's trying to pit this as some sort of horrible, traumatic thing.
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And I would agree with her, but she's missing the point.
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The point is that Maria made decisions that led to this action, right?
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And luckily she made the decision that conserved life back into the article here, both Maria
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and my mom, Alice, opposed abortion on religious grounds.
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My mom is white and Southern Baptist, Maria is Hispanic and Pentecostal, both like to
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point to me to justify their beliefs saying that had Maria gotten an abortion, I would
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not exist, which is obviously true.
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It's a familiar argument, the anti-abortion movement likes to invoke Nobel Prize winners
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who might never have materialized or potential adoptees who might have cured cancer if they
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hadn't been aborted at eight weeks.
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I'm no Nobel Prize winner, but I still resent being used as a political football by the
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right.
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I believe that abortion is a form of health care and that every woman should have access
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to it if she needs it.
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But perhaps more than that, I resent the suggestion by people like Justice Barrett that adoption
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is a simple solution.
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And I resent it on behalf of Maria, who found the choice she made traumatizing and still
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feels that pain 44 years later, even when an adoption works out well, as it did in my
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case, it's still fraught.
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So for the writer of this article, she resents the fact that she's alive today because the
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Christian biblical worldview invaded the minds of her biological and adoptive mothers.
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And that prevented her biological mother from killing her and astonishing admission.
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She resents that that happened, which, how can you resent that?
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Because the only other option is you're not here to write this, you were, you were nothing
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in terms of this world, right?
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You would have never gotten to this point.
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And also, she describes abortion as health care in this section.
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But this is just straight out of the leftist pro-abortion playbook.
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You basically can't pass go without saying this.
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It's a required mantra that he, you have to repeat ad nauseam.
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But we obviously know that this is a euphemism.
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Health care doesn't result in the death of a human because duh.
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But also, here's the thing that she says in this section.
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She's building the case that since her biological mother Maria still feels pain and guilt all
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these years later, because she gave her daughter up for adoption, that it would have been better
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if she hadn't.
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It would have been better if she had gotten an abortion.
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That supposedly, it would be better for Maria to have blood on her hands rather than guilt
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in her conscience, right?
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That's the underlying assumption.
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Even if she doesn't outright say it, that's the underlying assumption that she wants you
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to pick up not so subtly as you read through here, that man, wouldn't it have been better
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for Maria and the older kids and for her if she had just never been born, if she had just
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been snuffed down the womb, if they just stuck a tool into the uterus and started pulling
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out limbs and then crushed the skull and let the brain matter fall out and then pull out
21:54
the pieces and then scrape the uterine wall and then basically put the baby together on
21:58
the table to make sure you got all the pieces, wouldn't that have just been better?
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That would have been better, right?
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Back in the article, when I echo Maria in saying that she gave me up, the language always
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wrinkles adopted parents because it introduces an unpleasant complexity, implying that my
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birth mother was not completely happy with her choice, or worse, that it made her miserable.
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But that is sometimes the case, even when adoption is the best option for all involved.
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Adoption is not always an unalloyed good.
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It is a complicated choice in a situation that has no right or wrong answer.
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Now, let's talk about that.
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She says that adoption is not always an unalloyed good.
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Here's the reality.
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Adoption isn't an unalloyed good because it points to a post Genesis 3 brokenness because
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we're supposed to live as one man and one woman and we're supposed to procreate and
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fill the earth, right?
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But we live in a broken system now in a post Genesis 3 world where that doesn't always
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happen.
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Now, there are some children that have to be adopted because their mother died in childbirth,
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right?
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That's a result of the fall.
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There are, you know, kids that are given up for adoption because the mother was raped
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by somebody and she doesn't want to look at a kid that kind of looks half like her rapist,
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right?
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That's part of the fall.
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There are mothers that make a bunch of bad decisions and the state ends up taking the
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child away and they are put into the adoption system or put into the foster care system.
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That's a result of a broken world, a broken world that was broken by sin that entered the
23:20
world when Eve ate the apple, right?
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But again, we're describing reality by describing that that's happening in these situations,
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but at what point are we advocating that abortion should be better than adoption?
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Because she also claims in this section here that this situation has no right or wrong
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answer, right?
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She's being Pontius Pilate here.
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She's like, I'm going to wash my hands of this.
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This situation has no right and no wrong, right?
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But this is obviously ridiculous because this is a postmodern thing that you say, ah, there's
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no right or wrong answer.
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I guess, you know, rightness or wrongness is in the eye to be holder.
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No, no, no, no.
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This is either a morally acceptable thing to do or a morally reprehensible thing to do,
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right?
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Again, remember back in the day, it was safe, legal and rare, but in modern contexts is
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why does it have to be safe, legal or rare?
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Like if it's morally neutral, like if a fly were to land on me and I were to flick it
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off of my, my forearm, Peter wouldn't be too happy about it.
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But at the end of the day, that is not a morally reprehensible thing for me to do.
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Setting up my pin and setting it back down is not a morally, morally represent reprehensible
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thing for me to do.
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It's morally neutral.
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Now if I pick up this pin and stab you in the eye with it, right?
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That becomes a morally reprehensible thing.
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It's no longer neutral.
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This situation, there's either something bad happening or there's not, right?
24:34
We can't use this postmodern lens to look at all this.
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All right, back to the article here, short section.
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If the court overturns Roe v. Wade, many women will be forced to give birth to children.
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They did not want or do not or did not feel that they could afford to support now.
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Again, she's saying that they're forced to give birth.
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This is a common pro-abortion trope, you know, oh, it's, you know, handmaid's tail.
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You're forcing all these women to give birth.
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The problem with the thing from the handmaid's tail is these people, you know, these women
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were raped and forced to give birth.
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You made a consensual decision.
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Now we're just telling you as the government, you can't kill what you've done, right?
25:05
You can't kill this baby to get rid of the mistake that you now think that you've made.
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Okay, back to the article.
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While pregnant, they will undergo the bonding with a child that happens by biological design
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as an embryo develops into a living, breathing, conscious human.
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And then that child will be taken away.
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Uh, yeah, yeah, this happens by biological design.
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I wonder why that is.
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that you are designed to want to care
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for this baby when it leaves your body.
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Otherwise, as with a lot of animals in the animal kingdom, as soon as they give birth,
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they take off.
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Like we have this idea that also all creatures are mammalian where basically mother bears
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like hanging out and protecting the cubs until they're able to live on their own.
25:47
That doesn't happen in almost the entirety of nature, right?
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And so there's some sort of a biological component to that that our designer gave us
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that said, Hey, as soon as you get birth to this thing, you don't just leave it there.
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You take care of it until it's able to take care of itself back to the article.
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The right lights to suggest that abortion is a traumatic experience for women, a last
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resort, a painful memory, but adoption is often just a traumatic just as traumatic.
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As the right thing, abortion is, if not more so, as a woman has to relinquish not a lump
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of cells, but a fully formed baby she has lived with for nine months.
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So this crazy person, this crazy person thinks that adoption is just as traumatic.
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If not more so than abortion, that adoption, adoption is more so traumatic than abortion.
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How, how, on what planet is that even, even sort of reasonable?
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What are you talking about?
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A baby being passed from a parent that either doesn't want it or can't care for it to a
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family that can care for it, that that is somehow more traumatic than if that baby had
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just been snuffed out, ripped to pieces, thrown in the trash, flushed out the toilet.
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What's she talking about?
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And here's the other thing that I will say about this section is thank you for actually
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acknowledging what we all knew all along, which is that it's never just a clump of cells,
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like at any point, it's always a living human being with value.
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So thank you at least for admitting that.
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Let's go to the next section here.
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I'm a mother myself to an adorable six year old self-proclaimed Fortnite expert, which
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by the way, why is a six year old playing Fortnite?
27:29
But anyway, as is often the case, I do not, I did not know that I was pregnant with him
27:32
until the usual symptoms appeared a few weeks into the pregnancy.
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As anyone who has just stated a human will tell you again, oh, you haven't just stated
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a human, but here we go.
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There's a vast difference between the fourth week of pregnancy and the 40th.
27:43
By the 40th, you're familiar with your baby's regular rhythms of kicking and moving.
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When I awoke, my son would wake up shortly after and I'd feel him turning and stretching
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or less pleasantly jamming his precious little foot into what felt like my cervix.
27:54
This is one of the paradoxes of pregnancy, something alien as usurping your body and
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sapping you of nutrition and energy, but you are programmed to gleefully enable it.
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And you become desperately protective of it.
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It's a kind of biological brainwashing.
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And this is often what happens or this often happens whether you want to be a parent or
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not.
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Now, I got to say, I've never heard the phrase biological brainwashing.
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Never heard that.
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But it's kind of true.
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In a degree, I know some people got their hackles up over that.
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Oh, it's biological brainwashing, but it kind of is, right, that there are even studies
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about how women, you know, they go through the pains of childbirth and, you know, that
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can be a horribly traumatic thing.
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If you go through something that's extremely painful, it'll make you want to avoid that
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thing again.
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But there is some sort of endorphin or some sort of thing that happens inside the brain
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of a woman that helps her quickly forget about the pain and discomfort of childbirth and pregnancy,
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right?
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So that's a biological brainwashing.
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I wonder why that is possibly because we need to propagate the species properly, you know,
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possibly because we need to, you know, be fruitful and multiply.
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Maybe that has something to do with it.
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So yeah, it's sort of biological brainwashing, but she kind of talks about it in a negative
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sense, not a positive sense.
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And then she says this, and this often happens whether you want to be a parent or not, which
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means that your desire to or not to have a baby is irrelevant because it's what you're
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supposed to do.
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Again, these are people that have kind of this biological worldview, you know, we're
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all just, you know, start us bumping into other start us.
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We're just, you know, slimy or we're descendants of fish and apes and all these other different
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things.
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But these people all of a sudden want to ignore the biological reality that your body in your
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mind is preparing you to care for you for this child.
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And if you decide not to do that, that that's broken, that that's not something that you
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should do.
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Isn't that interesting that they ignore that part of biology when it doesn't fit their
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narrative and their arguments?
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Back to the article here.
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This is Barrett is well aware of the kind of biological brainwashing that occurs during
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pregnancy.
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She gave birth to five children.
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And yet she so blithely seems to assume that a mother can simply choose not to bond with
29:47
a child.
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She's just stating solely on the basis that she is not ready to be a mother or believes
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that she is unable to provide that child.
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Okay.
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For the child.
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Now here's the thing.
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This is completely unfair to Amy Coney Barrett.
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She's never once even implied this, right?
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Never once.
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So this is kind of a straw man that she's building back to the article.
30:05
She assumes that the mother will be supported financially and otherwise throughout the pregnancy,
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even in a country where maternal mortality statistics are abysmal.
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So she states this as a fact, okay, that, you know, maternal mortality statistics are
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abysmal in the United States.
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She assumes that you're apparently not going to notice that she said this and she neglects
30:23
to cite even a single piece of data to corroborate that claim because did you know when that
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be breaking news that we have abysmal maternal mortality in the United States?
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Did it be because she's full of crap and that's not true?
30:35
Because that's more likely back to the article and she assumes that children surrendered
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for adoption will find a home and not a bed in a foster care system.
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She probably assumes these things because she cannot fathom being in this position herself.
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These are assumptions that stem from the privilege of being financially secure, having never
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needed an abortion and perhaps the assumption that women who do have, who do have done something
30:55
wrong and must face the consequences.
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So she brings up this quote, the privilege of being financially secure.
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Okay.
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Are you assuming that poor people can't care for children?
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Because I think for, oh, I don't know the entirety of humanity that there have been plenty
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of poor people that were able to care for their children and love their children, right?
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So, you know, poor people can't care for their children.
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So they should probably just kill them, right?
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Is that what?
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Is that what this author is saying?
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She's also saying that having never needed an abortion, right?
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But the reality is, is no one needs an abortion, right?
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And you talk about, oh, well, the mother's life's in danger.
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Well, at that point, you're not doing an abortion because the abortion is the intentional
31:29
destruction of an innocent human life, that's what an abortion is.
31:32
When you're providing care to a mother to preserve her life and the baby dies, that is
31:36
just a horrible consequence of trying to save and preserve her life.
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But she also says, and perhaps the assumption that women who do have done something wrong
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and must face the consequences.
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She's talking about this as if, you know, raising a child is a consequence.
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Oh, Jimmy, you might have to raise a child as a consequence.
31:52
You know, what about a blessing for a lot of people, especially people that are on the
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infertility track, you know, being able to conceive and give birth to a child is maybe
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the biggest blessing they could possibly get.
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But again, this is about hatred for the unborn, right?
32:05
Because they can't be human.
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They can't be something that's worthy of our protection.
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Because if you think of them in that way, it's so much harder to kill them.
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It's so much messier and so much more difficult to really kind of get through our heads back
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to the article here.
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In my experience, someone the right believe that the trauma adoption inflicts is a consequence
32:22
of your responsibility.
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Again, she assumes that adoption always causes trauma, which is ridiculous.
32:27
But again, in almost every single case, almost 100% of cases of abortion or people that are
32:32
trying to get an abortion or trying to give their baby up for adoption, these people
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had consensual sex and they conceived a baby, right?
32:38
So I don't know what you're talking about.
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Then she says this, but unexpected pregnancy is not a de facto function of bad decision-making.
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But here's again, what I just said, it's almost 100% the de facto function of bad decision-making
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and a moral decision-making, right?
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That's how this comes about, right?
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This is supposed to be between one man and one woman inside a covenantal union of marriage,
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right?
32:58
So if you do that outside of marriage, again, almost 100% of babies that are aborted are
33:02
aborted by people that aren't married, right?
33:04
It's not like, oh, you get married and five years into your marriage, you know, you get
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pregnant and then it's like, oh, we should probably get rid of this thing.
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Most of the time those kids live.
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I wonder why?
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Maybe because that's how we're supposed to do it.
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Back to the article here.
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It can be a failure or contraception, the product of rape, a mistaken belief that a woman is
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infertile.
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There is no just file of a reason to inflict harm on women and the babies they might produce
33:24
in any of these situations, regardless of judgment.
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So in this section, she had to bring up rape.
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It's her shield every time they bring up the rape arguments because they know that their
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argumentation is faulty and that they can't really lean on it.
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So that's why they bring up rape back to the article.
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The trauma doesn't just affect mothers either.
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Researchers have a term for what children who are adopted, even as infants may suffer
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from later in life relinquishment trauma.
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The premise is that these babies bond with their mothers in utero and become familiar
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with their behaviors.
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When their first caretaker is not the biological mother, they registered the difference and
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the stress of it is a lasting effect, which obviously this part begs the question here,
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the obvious question.
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Is it better to be dead than to experience relinquishment trauma?
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Because I know if I'm given two options and it's like, we're going to rip you to pieces
34:08
and you'll die or later in life, you might have some issues with relinquishment trauma,
34:13
whatever that entails.
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Right?
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I think I'm going to choose to stay alive.
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Back to the article here.
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I probably got off easy in that respect, in part, because I did spend a few months with
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my biological mother before I was adopted, but that had the unintended effect of traumatizing
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my older siblings who remember me as a baby who was there and then suddenly was gone.
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This was driven home to me by my older sister, Bobby, whose first encounter with me was over
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Facebook.
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All I can say is I remember you, she wrote, I have loved you and missed you my entire life.
34:37
Okay.
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So the author here, she, you know, her assumption is that her older biological siblings would
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be less traumatized if she were just murdered.
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Like, is that the assumption?
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Like, oh, her older sister, Bobby, she missed her entire life.
34:54
Well, would it have been less traumatizing if it's like, Hey, you know, that sister you're
34:57
about to have?
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Yeah, we ripped her to pieces.
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I mean, what exactly is she trying to prove by making that statement?
35:04
All right.
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Back into the last section here and then we'll, uh, we'll wrap up with justice Barrett and
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others are suggesting women, women do in lieu of abortion is not a small thing.
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It is life changing irrevocable and not to be taken lightly.
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It often causes trauma, even when things work out and it's a disservice to adoptees and
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their families, biological and adopted to pretend otherwise in service of a neat political
35:25
narrative.
35:26
So she's talking about the political side, trying to assume that, you know, Amy Coney
35:29
Barrett's going to be political, which again, she, she replaced somebody, you know, uh,
35:34
basically who was way more political than she is.
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We'll say that.
35:38
Right.
35:39
You know, she was a Hack.
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She was a political Hack and she used judicial activism and so she's kind of replacing her.
35:48
So I guess she's, you know, the right wing, you know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
35:51
But here's the thing, as you can expect as with the entirety of the rest of this article,
35:56
this author gets this case exactly wrong, okay, because she talks about adoption as being
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life changing irrevocable and not to be taken lightly, which technically is true, but abortion
36:07
is life changing, abortion is irrevocable, abortion is not to be taken lightly because
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in all these circumstances, again, if the abortion goes through as planned, it results
36:22
in a dead baby, not a dead mom, but a dead baby, a separate life from her.
36:27
That was just existing inside of her, right?
36:29
But she's again talking about it like, no, no, no abortions over here, but don't look
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over here.
36:34
Look right here.
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I'm talking about adoption.
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It's changing and irrevocable and we shouldn't take it lightly.
36:38
And again, I would agree with those things.
36:39
And so with the people that have been adopted, I'm sure they're glad that it's irrevocable.
36:43
They're glad that it changed their life in a positive way.
36:46
They're glad that someone went through the situation of actually trying to figure out
36:48
whether they should do this and that they didn't take the situation lightly, that they
36:51
really were prayerful or at least thoughtful in terms of wanting to do this.
36:55
But abortions way worse, way worse.
36:59
And again, in this section, she's implying that Amy Coney Barrett said or meant things
37:03
that she did not say or did not mean like, oh, she's trying to button this up as a political
37:08
narrative.
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What evidence do you have to suggest that?
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Do you have anything in the real answer is no, she has absolutely nothing.
37:15
She's standing on nothing.
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But guys, as we wrap up here, I want to talk about three reasons why this article is so
37:21
important.
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Okay.
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So the first one is this.
37:24
It reveals that the pro abortion side is the pro death side, which this shouldn't be terribly
37:28
surprising to any of you.
37:30
You shouldn't be surprised by that because they are advocating for death and have done
37:35
so for decades and decades and decades, even prior to Roe v. Wade.
37:38
Now we're just living in the blood soaked world of 60 plus babies that have been aborted
37:43
since Roe v. Wade since early seventies, right?
37:46
But if you didn't know it up till now, again, this woman is advocating that abortion murder
37:52
would have been better than adoption.
37:53
Right?
37:54
So that's the first reason.
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The second reason why this article is so important is because it's incredible to see how
37:59
selfish Elizabeth Spears is.
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Now, this is important here.
38:04
Again, in this article, she describes her own adoption scenario as idyllic.
38:09
Again, she's also advocating for abortion over adoption.
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Okay.
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That's the thing that undergirds everything.
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So even though her personal adoption scenario was idyllic, she doesn't seemingly want anyone
38:23
else to experience that positivity again, because she's like, Oh, you know, my biological
38:28
siblings and biological mother, like they have the bad feels, right?
38:32
They get all up in their feelings when they think about the fact that I wasn't part of
38:35
their life this entire time, which I'm sure is not a fun thing.
38:39
It was something that Maria chose, but it's not a fun thing.
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But she says for her own life that she knew she was loved every single day that she's
38:47
glad that it worked out this way and that she's been able to reconnect with Maria and her
38:51
siblings and all that.
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But she doesn't want you to potentially have that.
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And I guess I'm talking to the use and the womb and the use that will be in the womb
38:58
at some point.
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She doesn't want you to have the same experience she did because she wants women.
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She wants all these women to have the right to health care.
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And part of the health care, you know, menu of options is potentially having somebody
39:10
remove your living human being inside your body, right?
39:15
How incredibly selfish.
39:16
And I remember when I first heard people talking about this, one of the first people
39:20
that came to mind was Colin Kaepernick.
39:23
Because again, this is the guy that thinks all white people are racist oppressors across
39:28
the board.
39:29
And yet Colin Kaepernick was adopted by a loving white couple and that couple set him up for
39:37
his entire life of success.
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Okay.
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Colin Kaepernick is worth tens of millions of dollars and may eventually be worth hundreds
39:45
of millions of dollars, right?
39:48
But would he have been if he hadn't been adopted by these racist white oppressors that he calls
39:54
mom and dad, right?
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Because had they not gotten him into a good school, he may have not started playing football.
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If he didn't start playing football, he probably doesn't go to university in Nevada.
40:03
If he doesn't go to Nevada, he doesn't get drafted.
40:05
If he doesn't get drafted, he doesn't go to the 49ers.
40:07
He doesn't take the 49ers in Super Bowl.
40:08
He doesn't get this big contract.
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He doesn't do any of the things.
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We would not know Colin Kaepernick's name.
40:13
He could be dead or in prison or just, you know, working some menial job or some doing something
40:17
somewhere and none of us know who this person is.
40:20
But one of the main reasons why we know who this person is, annoyingly so, is because
40:26
his, these horribly, terribly racist, oppressive white people decided to adopt him and to love
40:33
him, right?
40:35
And now he wants to tear down the system that he so directly benefited from.
40:40
And so does Elizabeth, Elizabeth Spears.
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She wants you to think of adoption and think negative, not positive.
40:46
And the last reason why this article is important is the pro abortion side has gotten so desperate
40:51
and this is delicious.
40:53
They've gotten so desperate that they're trying to demonize adoption.
40:57
If you were to talk and you know, if you talk to Americans and you pull Americans, you can't
41:01
get most Americans to agree with anything.
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But if you were to pull most Americans and ask them, is adoption a net positive?
41:08
You know, when a baby is, you know, unable to be cared for by their biological family,
41:13
isn't the fact that they can be adopted into another family, a positive thing.
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Almost everybody in America would say yes.
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Almost everybody in the world would say yes.
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That's a net positive, but in order to affect change, the pro abortion side is trying to
41:25
attack adoption.
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I mean, why else?
41:28
Cause this article wasn't originally written on the New York Times.
41:31
Like I had to go log into the New York Times and kind of get the entire article and do that
41:34
whole thing.
41:35
But it wasn't originally posted there.
41:36
Why did they pick up this person as a guest, opinion editor, right, the, the, or opinion
41:40
piece writer, the New York Times is a wildly pro abortion, incredibly pro abortion.
41:46
But why would they pick this one up?
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Because I'm sure people have written something, you know, that had been in similar veins.
41:51
But why would they pull up something that is so negative towards adoption?
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They're getting desperate.
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I think they understand that they have the zealots that are on their side that will never
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be swayed.
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They don't care what's in the womb.
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They know it's a living person.
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They just want you to be able to kill it.
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That's just their position.
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But from where they stand, they're trying to find ways to erode the pro life foundation,
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which is one of the reasons why we talk about this so often.
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And I want you guys to be prepared.
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That's why we do podcast where we prepare you to deal with these arguments because their
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arguments are bankrupt.
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They're based in nothing.
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They're firmly planting their feet in mid air and they're just hoping that you don't notice.
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And guys, we noticed and we're coming for our guys for let you go.
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We are going to do a quick resilience boost out on daunted life.
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Our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that for just spiritual
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mental and physical resilience.
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So the only thing I've got for you today is I've got the New York Times article and it's
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called I was adopted.
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I know the trauma it can inflict now.
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I will let you know if you don't already have a membership or whatever with New York times,
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you can set up a free thing.
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So you got to give me your email and you can just opt out of the emails, but that's how
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you're going to be able to read that article.
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All right, guys.
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And we want to also thank the band, August Prince Red, for allowing us to use our music
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for our content.
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The music on this podcast is our song, cutting the ties, which is off their 10th anniversary
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re-recording of their album, Leveler.
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The links are in the description.
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I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
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Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual, mental and physical resilience.
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Keep seeking the Lion of Judah.
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