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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Thus says the Lord.
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Do justice and righteousness and deliver from the hand of the oppressor, him who has
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been robbed and do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless and the
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widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
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That's Jeremiah 22 three guys.
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ahead and get into the rest of the content for today.
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So I want to read a quote from one of my favorite movies and that movie is boondock saints.
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Okay.
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So this is a movie that's probably not appropriate and not probably, it's definitely not appropriate
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for all ages.
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It's a movie that I saw back in college, but it's a, it's a very interesting movie about
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these two brothers that are basically trying to even the score with all these bad dudes
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on the street.
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Now there's some, you know, fairly sac religious things that happen in that they're using scripture,
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you know, out of context to basically allow them to go and kill these people, these bad
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men that are doing crimes in their area and all that.
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But at the very beginning of the movie, there's a scene where these two brothers are in this
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church or in this Catholic church and, you know, the, the, you know, whatever the priest
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he's up there doing his thing and he's talking about this story that a lot of you have heard
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about or maybe the first time you heard about it was because of this movie, but there's,
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there's music.
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It's kind of this buildup and it's the first time we get to see these brothers.
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So I'm going to go ahead and read the quote and this is from the priest in the movie.
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And I'm reminded on this holy day of the sad story of Kitty Genovese.
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As you all may remember a long time ago, almost 30 years ago, this poor soul cried out for
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help time and time again, but no person answered her calls.
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Though many saw no one so much is called the police.
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They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight.
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They watched as her assailant walked away.
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Now we must all fear evil men, but there is another kind of evil which we must fear most.
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And that is the indifference of good men.
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And that really sends you into what's going on in that movie with these two guys trying
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to evil in the score with all these evil men and take them out and all that kind of stuff.
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Now this is actually a fictional movie, obviously referring to an actual murder, the real life
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murder of a woman named Kitty Genovese.
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So I'm going to get into that story here because it really springboards us into what
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we're talking about today. So pay attention March 13th of 1964.
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This was in Queens, New York City, Kitty Genovese.
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She was a 28 year old female bartender.
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She was stabbed to death outside of her apartment by a man named Winston Mosley, a 29 year old
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Manhattan native.
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Now, Mosley was arrested because of an unrelated incident six days later, okay?
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But while he was in custody, he confessed to murdering Genovese.
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Now at trial, he was found guilty of the murder.
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He was sentenced to death, but his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.
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And so after 50 52 years of a life sentence, Mosley died in prison on March the 28th of
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2016. Now guys, if that were all you knew about the story, you know, that that would
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be terrible enough. Right? Like that that's a horrible, horrible thing that this woman,
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this innocent woman was just murdered, right?
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But there's there's worse things and there's worse details and we'll get into those here
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in just a second.
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But people being stabbed to death, unfortunately, is not that uncommon.
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I mean, believe it or not, more people are stabbed to death in the United States every
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year, then die because they were shot by someone with a rifle, right?
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That's just a little factoid that I'm sure that'll send all the anti second amendment
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people into a tizzy, but nonetheless, it's true, but I'll digress here.
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There are more details that are interesting about this terrible day.
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And so one thing that I thought, you know, Wikipedia is not always the greatest source
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for something, but there were a lot of citations about this story on the Wikipedia page.
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So I just want to read from the description as to what happened on this day, because again,
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it'll really get us into the media, what we're talking about today, because there were
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a couple of dozen different contributors to the history and the criminology of what was
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happening at this time.
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So I'll go ahead and read that here.
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At approximately 2 30 a.m. on March 13, 1964, Genevieve's left the bar where she worked
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and began driving home in her red Fiat while waiting for a traffic light to change on Hoover
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Avenue.
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She was spotted by Winston Mosley, who was sitting in his parked Chevrolet Corvette.
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Genevieve's arrived home around 3 15 a.m. and parked her car in the Cugh Gardens Long
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Island Railroad Station parking lot about 100 feet from her apartment store in the in
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an alleyway at the rear of the building.
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As she walked toward the apartment complex, Mosley, who had followed her home, exited
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his vehicle, which he had parked at a corner bus stop on Austin Street armed with a hunting
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knife.
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He approached Genevieve's Genevieve's ran toward the front of the building and Mosley
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ran after her overtooker and stabbed her twice in the back.
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Genevieve's screamed, Oh my God, he stabbed me, help me.
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Several neighbors heard her cry, but only a few of them recognized the sound as a cry
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for help.
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When Robert Moser, one of the neighbors shouted at the attacker, let that girl alone.
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Mosley ran away and Genevieve slowly made her way toward the rear entrance of the building,
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seriously injured and out of view of any witnesses.
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Witnesses saw Mosley enter his car, drive away and return 10 minutes later, shadowing his
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face with a wide-brimmed hat, he systematically searched the parking lot, the train station,
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and an apartment complex, eventually finding Genevieve's, who was barely conscious and
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lying in a hallway at the back of the building, where a locked door had prevented her from
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going inside.
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Out of view of the street and of those who may have heard or seen any sign of the initial
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attack, Mosley stabbed Genevieve several more times before raping her, stealing $49 from
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her, and running away again.
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The attack spanned approximately a half an hour and knife wounds and Genevieve's hands
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suggested that she attempted to defend herself.
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A neighbor and close friend Sophia Farrer found Genevieve shortly after the second attack
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and held her in her arms until the ambulance arrived.
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Those of the earliest calls to police are unclear and were not given a high priority.
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The incident occurred four years before New York City implemented a 911 emergency call
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system.
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One witness said his father called the police after the initial attack and reported that
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a woman was beat up but got up and was staggering around.
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A few minutes after the final attack, another witness Carl Ross wasted time calling friends
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for advice on what to do before finally calling the police.
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Genevieve's was picked up by the ambulance at 4.15 am and died en route to the hospital.
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She was buried on March 16th 1964 in Lakeview Cemetery in New Canaan, Connecticut.
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Mosley was married with three children and had no criminal history, criminal record rather.
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While in custody, Mosley confessed to killing Genevieve's, he detailed the attack corroborating
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the physical evidence at the scene.
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He said that his motive for the attack was simply to kill a woman, saying he preferred
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to kill women because they were easier and didn't fight back.
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He stated that he got up that night around 2 am leaving his wife asleep at home and drove
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through Queens to find a victim.
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Mosley saw Genevieve's on her way home and followed her to the parking lot before killing
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her.
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He also confessed to murdering and sexually assaulting two other women and two committing
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between 30 and 40 burglaries.
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Subsequent psychiatric examinations suggested that Mosley was a necrophile.
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Necrophiles are obviously people that love to have sex with dead people or dead things.
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So the interesting thing about this story, because again, just an absolutely brutal story,
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and it's not a unique story.
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There are a lot of stories like this, there are a lot of predators out there.
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I think the FBI estimates that there's something like 2,000 current and active serial killers
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in the United States that are not behind bars.
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People that are actively killing multiple people that usually involve some sort of a
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rape or some sort of a sexual release.
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But Kitty Genevieve's murder prompted the creation of a study of a social psychological
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theory called the bystander effect.
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Okay?
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So hence the name of the episode today.
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So the bystander effect or what other people call the bystander apathy effect or just bystander
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apathy.
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Now this story really led to research and that led to actually some fairly substantial
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lab studies.
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Okay?
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And what these lab studies were looking at is they were trying to identify the factors
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as to why someone would not intervene when another person was in trouble.
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And during these studies, and again, these were lab states where they were putting people
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in these crazy situations to see how they would respond.
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They put them in situations where they were the only person that could potentially respond
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where there were other people that they could respond.
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They found a bunch of different factors that kind of led to this whole idea of bystander
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effect or bystander apathy, the number of bystanders.
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Okay?
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So if there's a lot of people around, maybe you think I'm not the one that has to intervene
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because there's all these other people.
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Another factor they found is just general ambiguity.
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Maybe you can't really figure out what's going on in this exact situation.
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You're not sure exactly what's happening.
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So there's just some ambiguity that you don't know how to get past.
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There's also group cohesiveness.
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Like are we all going to do this?
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Or am I going to be the only one here?
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You know, are we going to go in the same direction at the same time, which leads to
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another factor, which they found, which was called the diffusion of responsibility that,
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you know, again, this can't just be my problem.
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Maybe we should all do this.
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And if everybody's not moving at the same time, it's going to be hard for one person
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to move.
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But all of those factors, and there were many other factors as well in the research, led
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to something called mutual denial, right?
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So a lot of people, they see something going on that's evil.
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They see something going on that is obviously wrong.
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They have the capability of intervening, but they're just going to deny that it's happening.
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They're going to put their head back in their books or in their newspapers or they're just
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going to roll over and go back to sleep or in a modern context.
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They're just going to go back to looking on their phones, or they're going to pull out
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their phones and start recording, which we'll see more here in just a second.
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Now, before anybody, you know, kind of throws it out there as this, you know, I did see
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that there was some hubbub that had been made about this story, you know, that the New York
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Times at the time allegedly embellished the facts of the case when they reported at the
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time that 38 witnesses saw the murder.
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And the thing about it is, is all these people that are basically saying that about this
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murder like, oh, you know, the New York Times basically said that they mess up the reporting
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and they really put it out there.
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All that just distracts from the cases, the actual case, it distracts from the certifiable
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facts about this case.
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And there are three certifiable facts about this case.
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The first is that people 100% witness this murder happened.
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It may not have been the 38 people that the New York Times originally came up with, but
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people 100% witness the murder.
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This murder happened.
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Multiple people did.
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The second fact is that no one attempted to intervene.
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We have no record whatsoever that anyone tried to intervene for Kitty Genovese.
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And the third is that mostly returned to continue his assault when he realized that no one had
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or would come to Genovese's aid.
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So again, people 100% witness this, multiple people witness this murder happened.
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No one attempted to intervene.
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And mostly who had left returned when he realized that no one was going to come and help Genovese.
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Crazy, absolutely crazy.
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But the reason why I thought about this story in the last couple of weeks is because there's
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two very, very recent stories about something similar to this happening.
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They don't involve murder, but they do involve really heinous crimes.
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So I'm just going to describe them both to you here.
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So here's the first story I read the headline from USA Today, angry and disgusted.
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Train writers help held up phones, didn't call 911 as woman was raped on Philadelphia
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train.
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Police say, so I'm going to go ahead and read from the article here, a man was charged with
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raping a woman on a train outside of Philadelphia as fellow passengers watched held up phones
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and did nothing to intervene, police said.
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The man fished in Nagoi, 35 years old, harassed the woman, groped her and eventually raped
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her as fellow passengers watched the assault through more than two dozen train stops last
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week.
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Authorities said two dozen train stops.
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Police believe no one called authorities, though they are investigating whether any of
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the witnesses may have recorded the incident on their phones.
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Nestle, this is the nestle.
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This is a guy.
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He's a Southeastern Pennsylvania transportation authority police chief.
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He said that both Nagoi and the victim got on the train October the 13th at the same stop.
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The Frankfurt Transportation Center in Northeast Philadelphia, police said that they weren't
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able to stop the assault until the train reached the 69th Street terminal in West Philadelphia,
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rest Philadelphia on the market Frankfurt line, which was about 27 stops later.
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Again, Nestle said that the officers responded within three minutes of the loan 911 call they
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received from an off duty transportation employee, not any of the people in the car watching
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from an off duty transportation employee back to the article here, police police and other
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officials were troubled that no one witnessing the assault intervene and held a news conference
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reiterating the need for people who see something unusual to report it immediately, even anonymously
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and through the emergency buttons on the trains.
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So that's first thing that happened.
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This woman was brutally raped on a train car with other people and for dozens of 27 stops,
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no one intervened.
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But it seems like there's evidence to suggest that people pulled out their phones to record
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this rate.
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So that happened.
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That was a few weeks ago when I found out about that one, but then it was just this last
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week that I found about story number two.
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And so this is from the Washington Examiner.
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Here's the headline woman punched after telling man on a train to take a chill pill.
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So this is from the article here, a man was recorded punching a woman in the face after
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she told him to take a chill pill while riding the New York subway.
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The clip showed the man standing over the woman who was sitting on the train.
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No one seemed to help her during the entire incident.
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So I'm actually going to show you a clip of this.
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So again, if you're not watching this on YouTube, you won't be able to see the clip.
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You'll just be able to hear it.
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So guys, make sure that you subscribe and watch this over on YouTube.
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But apparently before, you know, the person started because every time I see a video like
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this, I'm always wondering what was happening right before the person started hitting record
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or what was happening right before that they may have recorded and edited out.
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But apparently from all the other people that were there, all the other witness testimony
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before this clip, all right, before this clip started, this guy was screaming and yelling
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from the moment he entered the subway car.
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So imagine a subway car, most of us have been on one of those and it's crowded.
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I mean, there was not a whole lot of elbow room.
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From the moment he walked onto the subway car with his family, he was telling everyone
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to get the F out of the way.
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He was screaming.
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He was kind of moving his elbows around saying, don't anybody get in my way.
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Don't need to buy a mess with me and my family.
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Okay.
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So I'm going to go ahead and show the clip to you here and just fair warning.
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It is a graphic clip.
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For those of you watching and or listening, there is some foul language that I'm not going
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to bleep out.
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Getting there with kids, you might fast forward a little bit or come back to this later, but
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let's go ahead and go into the clip here and say to my face name, say to my face now,
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tell me to take a little bit.
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Tell me, tell me to take a word and show them.
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Oh, I'm going to take a word and show them.
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Oh, I'm going to take a word and show them.
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I'm going to take a word and I'm going to take a word and show them how I'm going to
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just as capable as a man. Again, you see the convoluted way these attacks on gender happen, right?
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Another reason that I thought of is that there's an over reliance on our society on someone else.
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And you can just fill in the blank with who those someone else's are, right? This over reliance on,
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oh, the police will take care of it. You know, if something were to ever happen to me or my family,
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I would just call the police, even though I think the average response time for police in the United
23:32
States is like seven minutes. If they show up at all, because if you live in Seattle or if you live in
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Los Angeles, they may not show up at all, right? This over reliance may be on the military, right?
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Something really, really went wrong. The military would be there to protect us. Right now, what we're
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seeing just in an era coming out of COVID and things like that is the government where we're
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going to rely on the government. Why are we having such a problem with getting people to go back
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to work? It's because the government has been paying people to stay home for over a year now.
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People are getting used to it. They're getting used to life without having to produce anything,
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right? They're relying on the government, maybe relying on parents, right? You heard about these
24:05
helicopter parents that are constantly hovering around the kid, making sure to push everything
24:09
that could possibly happen out of the way, all these negative potentialities. They're getting them
24:13
out of the way and they're reliant on their parents so much. They don't rely on themselves.
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They don't rely on other people. They're relying on their parents. And so in this type of a setting,
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we're looking at this situation. I'm assuming with law, these bystanders are looking at these
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situations thinking, I don't need to intervene because something else or someone else is going
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to intervene. I personally don't have to do anything. And another one I thought of is Black Lives Matter.
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The organization and the movement has a lot to do with what we're seeing on this bystander effect,
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okay? So Black Lives Matter and acolytes of critical race theory and all these different
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things, they've convinced white people that they, that they, I guess we will say it this way,
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they've convinced white people that aren't racist, that in fact they are racist, regardless of what
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their personal feelings or worldview is, they're racist by dent of birth, right? By the level of
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melanin in their skin. But they've also convinced black people that they're victims that need to
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fight back. And I'm not going out on a limiter when I say that either. Everyone that's white is a
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racist and everyone that's black is a victim and they deserve to fight back sometimes physically.
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And so I don't know if you remember that going going back to the video and even for those of you
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just listening to it, the situation on the subway, that was a black man assaulting a white woman.
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But again, on the hierarchy of intersectionality, you know, the white woman isn't nearly as
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oppressed as the black man. And so I'm sure there were people thinking in their heads,
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if they intervened, they're intervening to stop a black man from doing something.
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And again, it sounds even racist that I'm even describing it in that way. But that's how these
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people think that's not how I think, because if I was in that subway car, I wouldn't be thinking
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Oh, I'm intervening as this white man is attacking this white or as this black man is attacking this
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white woman, I would just be thinking, Oh, there's a man attacking woman. I should probably stop that,
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right? I should probably intervene. But that's not how these modern, you know, race race peddlers
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and all these people think about it. So they might be pausing thinking, if I intervene here in
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someone's taking video, I'm going to be branded as a racist. If I assault this black man for assaulting
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a white woman, I'm going to be seen as a racist. I might lose my job. You know, my family might have
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to move. I'm going to be receiving death threats. Black Lives Matter is going to come to my street
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and try to burn it down. Right? That's the calculus people are having to go through in their brains.
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But again, think about this man. Think about the words that he was saying. He was looking around,
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he pointed to a train full of people of all races. I saw a bunch of different races in this video,
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and he's pointing at him saying, all you racist, right? And specifically pointing out this woman,
26:47
who he doesn't know, calling her a racist, because she said, take a chill pill. Now, should she maybe
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just kept her mouth shut? I don't know. You can maybe debate that. But she certainly didn't deserve
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to get hit in the beak. But again, think about this man. Think about this victim mentality. And
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the whole time I'm watching this man as he's ranting and raving, I'm thinking about man,
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I bet this guy didn't have a dad at home. And not just because statistically speaking,
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that's probably true. Because if you look at the statistics about black fathers and
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fatherlessness in the black family in America since the 1960s, I just mean in general,
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the level of anger, it was directed at anything and everything from the moment he got on the train,
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get the F out of my way, this faux masculinity, like nobody better touch me. I'm on what I'm a
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real deal. I'm I'm this that I'm the other thing, right? Where does that come from?
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You didn't have a dad in your life that was modeling that to you, a good dad modeling that to you.
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Where did you pick that up? But again, he might be listening to these race peddlers,
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these people in Black Lives Matter saying that, dude, you're a victim, you're a victim.
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The moment you walk on that train car, people are going to they're going to be scared of you,
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right? And it's just because you're black. And apparently he's absorbed that into who he is as a
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person, right? It's damning. It's terrible. But some other reasons why I think, you know,
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the bystander effect is getting even crazier in these modern times is politicians are encouraging
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the public to pretend that violent crime is happening. I mean, we've seen this since the George George
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Floyd riots in 2020, violent crime has spiked all over the country, not just in major cities,
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but especially in major cities. Their their the violence has gone up. Murders have gone up,
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assaults, robberies, batteries, they've they've all gone through the roof, right? But then you
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have politicians, typically all Democrats, typically all blue tie people telling you,
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don't worry about that. Yeah, we know violent crime is happening, but there's all these other
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things that are important, like Lori Lightfoot of Chicago, the mayor of Chicago, she comes to mind.
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She never wants to talk about the number of people that are murdered every week in her city.
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She wants to talk about racial injustice and systemic racism and, you know, misogyny and the
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patriarchy and Trump and all these different things. That's all she can focus on. So these
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politicians are just telling you, hey, these things aren't happening. And for a lot of people,
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if you're told constantly, if you're gaslit constantly and told that these things aren't really
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happening, if you see it actually happening in person, I'm sure there's some sort of a cognitive
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dissonance going on, like, wait a minute, I was told these things aren't happening and or that
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they're not important. How should I be dealing with this exact situation? And it's going to be
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hard for you to know the answer. It's going to be hard for you to actually figure out what you
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should say and what you should do in those moments. But the last thing I'll talk about here,
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turns out why I think that this is increasing in our modern age is social media.
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I mean, there's a lot of problems and there's a lot of ills that come from social media.
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But again, I want to go back to this key fact from these two modern cases, right?
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These people decided not to intervene. Instead, they decided to pick up their phones and record.
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That was one of their first thoughts. Now, typically people are recording things because
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they're already thinking about posting it later. Again, this video that went viral,
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this woman getting hit on the subway is posted on TikTok.
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All right, for those of you that saw it on our YouTube channel, obviously you see that.
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So this person was thinking about content creation. Now, for me as a content creator, this is what
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I do for a profession. That's something that I think about as well. I am thinking about moments
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like, you know, when my son's doing something really sweet or when I see something happening
30:15
out in the world or something like that that I think would be interesting to bring to you guys,
30:19
that's my job. It's my job to do those things. But that's what these people are thinking.
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Instead of, you know, they're probably scrolling on their phones to begin with. But as soon as these
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assaults happen, the rape on the train, the assault on the subway, they didn't think to just put their
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phones down, put it in their pocket and intervene. They thought, I'm going to record this. And again,
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I don't have this positive disposition that these people were recording it thinking that they could
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give this video to police later. Again, I think that I've spent a lot of time talking about the
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assault on the subway, but the rape on the train in Pennsylvania, again, 27 stops. For those of you
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that have been on trains in these big areas, there's a decent amount of time, like literal time in
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between these stops, 27 stops. You're seeing this assault happen on a train car that you're on.
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And you do nothing. And again, 911 received one phone call from an off duty employee
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of that area of the transportation department.
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I mean, what kind of a seared consciousness? We don't know how many people were in the train
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car. They haven't released that information, or at least I wasn't able to find that information.
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But let's just say it was one other person. Assuming that it's not a 95 year old woman,
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why would that person not intercede regardless? And again, it wasn't one person. It was, it was a
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multitude of people because that's why the headline was so crazy. A woman being raped,
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unfortunately, is not headline news, but it was the fact that there was a full train car people
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watching the assault happen and they did nothing to intervene. Now, obviously, I know that the
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majority of my audience here are men. We appreciate you guys. We also appreciate our female listeners
31:56
and the majority of our listeners are Christian men. If you're not a Christian, we're so glad
31:59
you're listening to this. That's super awesome. We would love for you to accept Jesus. But as for
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right now, let's go ahead and get into this content in terms of what I would say to Christian men,
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because I think Christian men should have some reactions to a video like this. And the easiest
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one in the lowest hanging fruit is it should make you furious. You should absolutely be furious
32:19
about these videos that you've seen, about the score, the story of Kitty Genovese. That should
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make you absolutely righteously indignant, right? Everyone should should see that and understand that.
32:29
But another emotion that you perhaps maybe don't feel is it should make you sad.
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I know a lot of guys really aren't in touch with the sad side of their emotions, or that's the
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one that they try to suppress as much as possible because they might end up, you know, shedding tears
32:42
or something like that. But it should make you really, really sad because after I was done being
32:48
furious about these stories, that's what I was immediately. I was sad for these individual women,
32:53
the one that was raped and the one that was hit. I was sad for Kitty Genovese and for her family,
32:58
even though she died, you know, 70 years ago, 60 years ago, something like that, right? Just rough,
33:03
rough situation. But I was sad for the state of society, maybe more than anything
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that these people didn't intervene, that these people just wanted to take video of it so they
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would have a copy of it from their point of view on their phone. How sad is that? I can't think of
33:20
much else that could be more sad than that. But the thing that I landed on after I kind of had
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my wave of emotion with fury and with sadness is as a Christian and for you specifically,
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it should make you want to prepare. I don't mean like prepper like go buy a bunch of canned foods.
33:42
It should make you want to prepare to intercede if something like this were to happen near you.
33:46
And this really gets into the sheepdog mindset. For those of you that aren't familiar with the
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sheepdog mindset, go back to episode 135 of this podcast. It was a great interview I did with
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Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman. Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman is the one that came up
33:59
with the sheepdog mindset. But he basically talks about how there are three kinds of people in this
34:03
world. There are wolves, there are sheep, and there are sheepdogs. The majority of the populace
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are sheep. If you don't understand, a sheep is a really, really stupid animal, right? A sheep
34:12
needs protection, right? But the wolf is constantly prowling around looking to pick off sheep. And
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the only thing to keep the sheep safe is a sheepdog. The sheepdog intercedes between the wolf and the
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sheep to keep the sheep safe, to keep the wolf at bay. And so he talks about that mindset in kind
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of a more militaristic mindset. But also that has kind of trickled down into an everyday mindset.
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It's this mindset of being prepared that if one of these crazy situations is to happen,
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that you are ready to go and ready to respond. And actually, this happened in the last couple
34:47
of weeks as well. There was a recent video of a retired marine. He's at a convenience store in
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Yuma, Arizona. So I'm gonna go and show the clip to you here, and then we'll get back into the
34:56
content. So here's the clip. And new this morning, a robbery suspect is behind bars thanks to a
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brave US Marine. Take a look at this video. And our man walks into the gas station, points a gun
35:08
at the cashier, but is quickly disarmed by the Marine. This happened to Chevron and Yuma yesterday.
35:14
He was able to hold down the robber until police arrived. The other two suspects got away. Thankfully,
35:20
known was hurt when deputies asked the Marine how he was able to take control of the situation.
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He said, the Marine Corps taught me not to mess around. Wow, some quick acting there.
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And what would have been a very dangerous situation.
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So for those of you that couldn't see what was happening, and I think I said he was a retired
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Marine. So I guess he might be still a Marine. I'm not sure if he's still in the Marine Corps,
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but there you go. What happened in this clip is this guy is sitting there. He's got his bag.
35:45
So he apparently had already bought his snacks or whatever. He's talking to the person behind
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the, behind the counter. And so if you, if you're not watching the video again,
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from the video standpoint, you can see this guy and you can see the front door.
35:56
So then as he's talking to the clerk, he turns around and he sees two guys walking in the door.
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They've got masks over their faces. You know, their entire faces are covered,
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not just like COVID masks, stupid cloth masks or something like that. But the guy that walks
36:07
in the door at the very beginning, he's got a gun out and he's pointing it, not, not at this guy.
36:12
He's pointing it past this guy at the clerk. And I mean, this guy with the gun takes one step,
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two steps. And immediately this guy, this Marine, he reacts. He grabs the guy's arm that has the
36:25
gun in it and he starts pummeling this guy. And then they fly out of screen. And the guy that was
36:30
behind the guy with the gun who was apparently with him, this just, this car just took off running,
36:34
right? He didn't want any part of what was happening. And so apparently what happened is this Marine,
36:38
he, he, you know, got the firearm away from this guy. He held him down until help came
36:42
and potentially saved lives, right? In that exact moment, we don't know if this gun was loaded. I'm
36:46
assuming that it was like this guy could have went off half cocked and just absolutely started
36:50
killing people. We have no idea. But the Marine responded immediately, immediately. He didn't stop
36:58
and pause. He didn't stop and pray. And I'm not against prayer. He didn't stop in, you know,
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ask somebody for help. He immediately responded. He immediately did what needed to happen in that
37:06
moment to stop potential violence from happening. And if the violence hadn't occurred, he stopped
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an injustice of someone getting their property stolen, right? Whether it be their money or any
37:16
of the stuff that was in the store. Okay. Now that video in light of the other situations that we've
37:22
talked about in this podcast, begs this big time question for all of us to reckon with.
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And in that is, are you ready right now to intervene? Are you ready right now to intervene?
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You've got to wrestle with that question. And that kind of splinters off into other questions.
37:44
Are you physically capable? Are you physically capable of intervening?
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So this man was obviously marine. He had some violence training, let's say. And in that moment,
37:57
again, he didn't have to consult with a trainer. He didn't do anything other than react. He was
38:02
physically capable and ready to disarm this person, right? And for a lot of you guys,
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and I've talked about this as well, this is especially bad with big guys, guys that are
38:10
physically big or tall. They don't know how to fight, but they assume since they're big
38:14
that that's going to be all that they need. Now, I've told this story on this podcast before,
38:19
and I've done this to try to encourage you guys. Yes, you should train jujitsu. You should train
38:23
wrestling. You should train Muay Thai kickboxing, Western boxing, those things. I have a buddy
38:27
who's six foot five, 250 pounds, 240 pounds, right? Big, big guy, physically enormous. So he showed
38:34
up to the forge on Sunday night to train with our crew with my foxhole guys. And then we bring
38:37
another guy out. And this is the drill that we're going to do. One guy lays on his back. The other
38:42
guy comes in and lays inside control. And for two minutes, the guy on bottom is just trying to stand
38:47
up. And the guy on top is just trying to hold the other guy down, right? So you don't have to know
38:51
a lot of jujitsu to understand the rules of the game, right? If you're on bottom, you just need
38:55
to get up. If you're on top, you need to hold the guy down. So what we did is we took my buddy who's
38:58
six foot five, 240 pounds, and we laid him down on his back. Then we brought in for those of you
39:02
that know this guy, Jermaine the coach, right? A guy from my foxhole. Jermaine is about, he's
39:06
maybe five, seven, five, eight, right? Maybe five, six, I'm not very tall. And about 150 pounds,
39:12
155 pounds, right? Great athlete, very, very strong, but small, compared to my other buddy.
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And we hit the timer, timer goes dinging for two minutes. Jermaine the coach, Jermaine the athlete,
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right? He holds down this six foot five, 240 pound monster beast. And why did that happen?
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Because six foot five, 240 had no idea what to do. He was untrained. And the moment he stood up,
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he had this just wide eyed look, like this thousand yard stare, because he was like,
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Oh crap, that really, really sucked. And he and I talked about it afterwards. And he said,
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Yeah, man, like, I always just assumed I'm such a big guy that I would never,
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you know, not be able to defend myself. And this is a guy with sisters. He didn't have
39:57
a girlfriend or wife at the time. And he's like, what if my sisters were being assaulted and
40:00
someone else was holding me down and I couldn't help them, right? He always assumed that he could
40:06
default to his size that, you know, when the moment came, he would just turn it on, whatever that
40:11
means. But guys, if you're not trained in combatives of some kind, on what planet do you think that
40:17
you're all of a sudden going to know how to throw a punch or throw a kick or take someone down
40:22
or choke them out or break their arm or disable them, you know, take, take their weapon away.
40:28
All right. Again, are you physically capable of doing those things? Have you ever tried to take
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a human being that's standing up in the middle of a room down onto the floor? Have you ever tried
40:38
that? Have you ever succeeded at doing that? Again, the question is, are you ready right now to
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intervene? A lot of you guys are not physically capable of doing that. So don't assume that you
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will be able to when the time comes, right? And it may not be a stranger that needs your assistance.
40:54
It may be a loved one, but that goes again, that's the physical sign. The next question is, are you
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mentally capable, mentally capable? So my wife and I have had this discussion when we've talked about,
41:05
you know, concealed carrying and what to do if I'm not there and something's happening at the house
41:09
or something like that. And you can talk all day long. You can do dry fire drills. You can kind of
41:15
work different scenarios at the house. And that's all great. That's great for muscle memory. That's
41:18
great for physicality. But the question that I ask my wife is, are you mentally okay with ending
41:24
another person's life in order to save your own? In order to save mine, in order to save the life
41:30
of sweet baby James? And again, her answer just wasn't, yeah, I'm super capable. I'm immediately
41:36
capable. She really had to chew on that. But that's where we are now. We know that we are mentally
41:43
okay with ending another person's life if they are intending to end ours. There's a mental
41:49
capability here as well, because also there's a capability of being mentally calm in a scenario
41:55
where you need to be calm. Because what you didn't hear about that, that guy in Yuma, Arizona, the
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Marine is he didn't take the firearm away from this guy and then pull it out and put it to the
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guy's temple and blown away. He was able to subdue this man to control the situation and then remain
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calm. Again, he didn't fly off the handle. He was able to be mentally capable and that moment
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to intervene. But again, I go back to this guy in Yuma, he didn't have to think, but for a split
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second, he reacted. Again, go back to the video, watch it on our YouTube channel. He was so ready.
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Again, half a second before those guys walked in, he was talking to the clerk about God knows
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what football, the weather, like Funyans, like who knows what this guy was thinking about.
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But then he turned it on immediately because he was capable. He had already had that internal
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dialogue that in a situation, I'm going to be the guy that reacts. I'm going to be the guy that
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intervenes, okay? Which begs this last question, which is different for everybody,
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which is, are you willing to deal with the consequences in order to protect and potentially save someone
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else? Because there will be consequences, right? Because let's say in the struggle, we'll go back
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to the guy in the convenience store in Arizona. Let's say there was a struggle. Let's say the
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Marine got the upper hand and he killed the other guy or hurt him or in some way. There's
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going to be lawsuits now that criminals family is going to come at that Marine and try to get
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him for everything he's worth. Right? We've seen that happen a lot. If you use your firearm to
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intercede even in your own home, and depending on the upon the state you're in or the country
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that you live in, right? We appreciate all our international listeners. Like if you assault
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somebody in your own home that's trying to do you harm, maybe even trying to kill you,
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you might be the one that's walked down handcuffs. There's plenty of situations like that that have
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happened. That's why there's things like the UFCCA, you know, these concealed carry organizations.
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That's why they teach people what to do if they're involved in a shooting with their firearm,
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right? You don't just immediately start blabbing and telling everybody exactly what happened.
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You have to think about yourself and how to protect yourself. But also there's the other
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consequences. Remember the the Black Lives Matter discussion that I was having? Let's say you
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intercede as a Black person or a person of color or trans person is is getting after somebody else.
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In that moment, you have to think crap. The LGBTQ people are going to come at me because I went
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after this trainee that was beating up somebody else. Our man Black Lives Matter is going to start
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picketing outside of my office building because I interceded and there was a Black person of,
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you know, or another person of color there. You have to be willing to deal with that though,
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because in that exact moment that, like, let's go to the scenario on the train in Pennsylvania,
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someone's being raped. And that exact moment, are you going to be thinking about Black Lives Matter?
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Are you going to be thinking about, you know, the LGBTQ lobby? Are you going to be thinking about
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angry people on Twitter? Are you going to be thinking about yourself in that moment?
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Are you going to be thinking sacrificially about somebody else and what you need to do in order
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to intervene? Okay. But now we need to go back to the scripture from the beginning.
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Jeremiah 22 three says this. Thus says the Lord do justice and righteousness and deliver from the
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hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed and do no wrong or violence to the resident alien,
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the fatherless and the widow nor shed innocent blood in this place. Now I want to give you a
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little bit of context on Jeremiah and specifically Jeremiah 22 three. These are the words. So then
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the book of Jeremiah of the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah. So Jeremiah was a confronter. That was
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kind of his thing. He was always preaching the truth and he was doing it to people that didn't
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really like that very much. Okay. So he was very unpopular with a lot of people. And he paid the
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prize for, you know, basically preaching the truth to these people. But during Jeremiah books 21 through
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23, he's confronting the nation of Judah's kings, right? He's basically telling the ruling authorities
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in that place what they should and shouldn't be doing, right? He's really giving him the business.
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And in verse three, he's warning these men, these strong men, these men with power, these men with
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influence, right? To not use that power and influence for evil instead to protect vulnerable people.
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Okay. So that's the context of that verse, but also leads into a verse that, you know,
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should be fairly common to you. And that's Genesis one 27. So God created man in his own image
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in the image of God. He created him male and female. He created them. That's where we get the concept
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of the Amago day. We have the image of God written on our souls and on our hearts from the moment
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that we were conceived, right? We're made in his image. So if someone that is being made or that is
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made in the image of God is in trouble, we should protect that person. Again, going back to the
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Jeremiah 22 three, this, he's basically telling these people, these people that have power,
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these people that have capability to not use that capability for evil, but to use it to protect
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people that aren't as powerful. And going back to the two scenarios from today and that moment on
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the train, that lone woman that was being raped by a man, she was someone that deserved protection
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in that moment. She has the Amago day, the image of God is on her. Someone should have
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interceded to protect her, to use their power and their influence and whatever else to protect her.
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The same thing to a lesser degree to the woman that was punched on the train. Someone should
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have interceded because somebody with the Amago day assaulted another person with the Amago day,
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right? Someone used their power, their ability to hurt someone that was weaker than them. Yes,
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I'm referring to this woman being weaker than this man. And that is true in general as well.
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I know we're not allowed to say those things these days, but that is true in general as well.
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And so for you, Christian men that are all too content with allowing these things to happen,
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you are adding to the modern bystander effect. And that is not what God is calling you to do.
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Again, I wanted to give you some context on the book of Jeremiah. So you didn't just seem,
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I was like proof texting, just pulling this text out and just throwing it at you. But again,
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every single person that you're ever eyeball to eyeball with is created in the image of God.
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Okay, that includes the unborn. Again, it's kind of hard to be eyeball to eyeball with the unborn.
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But I think you get the whole idea. A lot of you guys are very willing to flame online or to go
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stand outside of abortion mills and you know, you know, condemn what people are doing in there.
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And God bless you for doing that. But if someone was being assaulted and you could intervene,
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you would just navel gaze. You twiddle your thumbs. You might even pull your phone out and start
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recording. So I want us to adjust our focus and adjust our outrage and again, to embrace the sheep
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dog mindset. Because if you're going to be a rugged Christian, if you're going to live the life
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that we call men to live to cultivate spiritual, mental and physical resilience on a daily basis,
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one of the outworkings of that is you being willing to intercede, being ready to intercede
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and actually following through if the moment arises. Okay, you guys got to think through that.
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And if you're unwilling to do that, you need to make some adjustments, serious adjustments
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