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Welcome back to the forging table. The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental and physical resilience. At the forging table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience by digging into God's word and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us. Russell, Zach, Horn, guys, do we like the hourglass? I love it. I feel like there's just something different about it. I mean, there's >> [clears throat] >> there's a lot of things I can't quite put my finger on that's like different, you know, but every time we we we film this, it seems like every time things change just a little bit. And so it's like, you know, it's a it's a change of pace. I mean, I already I the the other one and all the batteries went flying and all that. I'm not sure if it's still working. I feel like with this hourglass, it's like an out-of-body experience. What? Oh, like you're different somehow? >> Like almost, you know, it's almost like if you were looking in the mirror, you just don't recognize what's looking back at you. I mean, that goes back to the to seven earlier on in seven. >> weeks, I haven't recognized myself. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, this goes all the way back That's a callback. That's a very good callback, Ryan, to Romans 7:7. You know, you know, what then shall we say is the law? That the law is sin? By no means. Yet if it had been for the law, I would not have known sin. If it had not been for the law, we had not known sin. That's why it's a mirror, right? So it's always good to have a mirror. You never know what you look like without a mirror. Um but we're [clears throat] going to try to cover a good amount of ground today because we we spent a lot of time talking about verse 15 last week. So verse 15 of Romans 7, "For I do not understand my own actions, for I do not do what I want to do, but I do the very thing I hate." Right? So this is this is a a personal lament, right? We have to remember that, guys. He changes to the first person singular in verse seven. In this one narrative arc, in this one letter, right? If you've never read Romans all the way through, all 16 chapters, by the way, set aside time. Like I don't know how fast everyone reads, but just set aside the time to do that. Don't focus on study, don't focus on notes, don't focus on footnotes or any of those types of things. Just read it all the way through. Go for it. But just [clears throat] read it all the way through and, you know, make it happen. Actually, there's a very funny story with what we just did. I'm glad you're bringing this up. I was about to do it. >> So my lovely bride, Lady Thompson, she has these these little energy drinks that she likes to drink or whatever and you know, when we go to church, she'll just throw one in her bag and we get into service and it's the normal introduction like, "Hey, you know, it's great to see everybody, blah blah blah." And you know, "Hey, turn around and like, you know, greet your neighbor." And typically, [clears throat] there's an immediate sound that comes out. You have people talking, you hear high fives and handshakes and all that. For whatever reason on this day, as soon as he said that, Kelsey thought, "Great time to pop open my energy drink." And there was no sound for like a good second and then she pops the top and I mean, heads just turned. It was like the guys turned and it was like, "Is that a Coors Light? Is that like something like that?" >> [clears throat] >> It was so she was so embarrassed because she heard it, too. It reverberated through the sanctuary, the sound of her nothing. It turned into a Bush Light commercial. There there's two beer references here on the show. But we need to get back in. What? >> The beer we don't speak of that I have a picture of Kyle holding. There's a there's a picture of me holding a beer? I don't even remember this picture. Are you bringing it up? I just think that somebody should do that. Like that's kind of a funny idea that if next time when somebody's doing communion and they said, "And he took the cup." If you just heard a ch- >> [laughter] >> Just opening up a little bit of drama added to it. Like I think that would be a good idea. But now I'm all of a sudden like I got to talk about So here's Kyle holding a beer. It's Bud Light. Here, [laughter] show it to your camera there. Your camera's right there. >> see it? There is a lot going on. >> about how and why and what? So I know I recognize the pose because the actual picture is of me holding a dead alligator over my shoulders, right? That I just killed with a knife. Has that been AI like done or was this simply No, man. Kyle dresses like this. Yeah, I dress in a pope costume with a jujitsu medallion. And drinks Bud Light. >> And drinks Bud Light. Of all things. I thought we were going to get through a lot and now I don't think that's so. So we're off alr- already. The sands of time are passing us by. So there was like there was [laughter] Hold on, let me >> [cough] >> Man. >> [laughter] >> What was that? There we go. Feel better now? Everyone listening right now is only going to hear grunts. Groaning [clears throat] in the spirit. >> [laughter] >> That's that's exactly what just happened. With your permission, do we continue or do you have a little diatribe you'd like to complete? Uh do you want me to finish what this picture was or Oh, yeah. I Yeah, I guess we kind of need to now for those of you Sorry. I had to get I had to get into Oh, man. Now Oh, yep. Now and we're back. Do it, lady. Do it, lady. Do it, lady. >> Do it, lady. Go ahead. >> You're handling it well. Do it, lady. Um so there was like some rumblings that some changes were going to be happening in church and so we always joke about like Kyle becoming the head of discipline for our church. And so I go They joke. I'm waiting for the call. I'm just waiting for the call. Jay, Mark, where are we at? >> is a joke. It's never going to happen. >> [clears throat and laughter] >> Never say never, bro. Never say never. But I was like, "If Kyle becomes the first like the disciplinarian of our church or church disciplinarian, I was like, I'm the first one excommunicated." And he said, "Definitely." >> Definitely. Yeah. He was like, >> Excommunicado. And so I said, "The last image I'm going to see from the back of my car window is this in the church parking lot." And so I I had AI basically take that picture and be like, "Give me a redneck jujitsu pope." And that's what it gave me. You know the worst part was? I had to get rid of the Confederate flags from the first one that it came through. I was like, I don't know. I was like, You can be racist. Dude, chat GPT is racist. That's who did it. I was like I was like I was like, "Uh get rid of the Confederate flags, please." You know, until we did it. No, that one's gone. There's that's not even around. But yeah, but it had him holding a Bud Light. So I send this over and the first thing he says, like next thing I wake up in the morning, it's, "Bud Light? How dare you?" >> Right? And here's the [laughter] thing. I don't drink beer, don't like it, never have. Whiskey agrees with my palate, beer doesn't. But if I were a beer drinker, I would have some level of self-respect, right? And so I don't think that I would be popping a top on a Bud Light. That's that's what I would like to think if I were a beer connoisseur. I mean, probably not. I like Yuengling. Yuengling, okay. Go ahead. Favorite beer, Yueng- or Yuengling, go ahead and give your favorite for the for the folks at home. Drink responsibly. No drunkenness, please. Drink for enjoyment. >> Lagunitas. I've never even heard of that. >> is a good beer. >> That's almost Lagavulin, which would be way way better. Uh a good Modelo. Good Modelo. Okay, there you go, guys. For all you beer drinkers, good for you. You've gotten some information. What is a Logos or whatever you said? It's a it's an IPA, but it's full-bodied. >> just speak in tongues when you described that IPA? That it sounded pretty close to that. Did you just pray in the spirit that IPA? I'm not sure. I mean, you're interpreting, I guess. That's a call. [laughter] I am here to interpret. That's a call. If there are any charismatic in your audience, they are now gone. >> Yeah, can we talk about the freaking pin on the grenade from last week? Out of nowhere, Zach, because we've pulled the pin on the our Calvinism Arminianism thing. And it's funny cuz I ran into like I mentioned a couple weeks ago, our lead pastor, Mark Hitchcock, ran into him in the bathroom. So said howdy, and we had just wrapped the Persian Storm interview, and he goes, "Hey, I hope you didn't get any bad feedback [clears throat] or blah blah blah." I was like, "Of all the things that were said in that podcast, cuz we were talking eschatology, we're talking end times, we're talking Gog Magog, we're talking about, you know, the the war currently happening in Iran, we talked about Israel." I made a statement that I thought was of all the things that I've said, one of the least controversial and one of the most obviously true things. And that is that of all the people that maybe have ever existed, but certainly that exist right now, if you had to rank order the least controllable human beings, I would put Donald Trump at the very top of that list. That like can't be controlled, can't be censored, can't be told what to do. And one of my main points is he loved talking trash on Twitter so much that when he got kicked off, he created his own social media platform so he could continue to talk trash on the internet. And the level of morons in the comments, you know, whenever that that little thing was posted was, "Oh, you know, he's controlled by Mossad and Netanyahu. He's his puppet and blah blah and all that." Now, one thing that all these people have in common, they love making suggestions and assertions and provide no evidence [clears throat] whatsoever. And the comments would even be like, "Oh, like he's clearly controlled by Mossad. My guess is that Netanyahu has something on him." So it's like you're making a clear definitive statement, and then you're immediately going, "My guess is." You know what that's indicative of? The fact that you have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claim. You would make a great assistant for Candace Owens. I love that you're willing to take the abuse that like you're bringing it back back up. You got some special people that follow you on your dumb comments, even though I don't read them. Controlled could be, you know, there's a lot of forms of control, you know, influence, things like that. He I I I do see your point, and I also see the point that there is influence on him uh through people around him. He's like everybody else that's human. You But does he not strike you as the guy that will do whatever he wants to do? He does strike me as a person that he is the least likely to be controlled by anyone in opposition of him. I would say I would say that. He is I think he falls within normal limits of like, you know, wanting wanting the people around him to also agree that what things he's what the things that he's doing make sense to them probably more. >> Yeah, he strikes me as a guy that will take [clears throat] in all of the data around him from people, from polls, from everything, and then he will make his own call and do whatever he wants to do. But apparently that's anathema. Apparently that's like absolutely outside and beyond the pale of discussion for most people, but whatever. It works on the internet, great. Keep yelling in the comment section. Good for you guys. I hope it's I hope it's a really good use of your time, and clearly he has You got some weird units on there, man. Yeah, my >> [clears throat] >> I've read some of those comments. I'm like, what do these people do all day? Like just sit there and watch scroll Tik Tok and watch conspiracy theory videos? >> of the comments. I sometimes do, when I just want to know like, you know what? Like could life really be this bad? And then I go to your comment sections, and I'm like, mm, not as bad as these people. >> I just >> [laughter] >> the the thing that I think in this, you know, we're we're kind of kidding kidding around and doing some tongue-in-cheek stuff, but for for people, I just want you to remember this. I've mentioned it a lot on the show, but I I just want you to remember this. Just look at your own life. When have you individually ever changed your position on any topic, philosophy worldview anything based on someone's well-worded and half-thought-out or poorly worded and not thought out at all position on an internet comment? Someone responds on Facebook, someone responds to your tweet, someone sends you an email to your inbox. When have you ever shifted your opinion so totally that you believed one way prior to reading the comment, and then you shifted all the way back to the other side and went along with what they've said? And I tell these people all the time cuz the people you they usually send me an email, those are the usually the ones that are fairly thought out, and they're like, "Hey, I just wanted to kind of bring this to you." And they're it's not in an accusatory manner. Typically, people flame it on the internet, on the comments, on social media, but I'm like, what is the best case scenario when you hit send? In your mind, have you ever considered what is the best case scenario for me commenting on this post? Is it that other people will like it? Is it that I will change my position? Is it that I will literally delete my 900-plus episode backlog of ideas and thoughts and episodes and from now on do things your way? And my encouragement to these people all the time is if you are so offended by my position or you think that I'm so foolish in what I'm putting out there, I invite you to join >> [clears throat] >> join the world of podcasting. Be one of the 6.5 million podcasts out there, build an audience, and direct them in the way that you think is is righteous and true. But most people don't usually do that. They just want to complain on the internet cuz it's a whole lot easier to oppose. It's a whole lot different if you have to end up proposing. >> That's kind of what I hate about social media. Yep. It's like you can say whatever you want online, and there's like no repercussions. Yep. Well, is that true? I mean, it's interesting like for me personally, I don't participate in social media as far as posting pretty much almost at all. And then you look at [snorts] what's happening in UK and London and all this stuff, and you're you're creating a record for yourself that in some future leadership sit- situation could actually really cause you a lot of problems. Well, there's that lady in oh gosh, it's one of those cold countries in Europe. Let's start naming them. Finland, thank you. It's a lady that was a counselor, and she had helped to write a pamphlet decades ago uh talking about you know, if someone's coming in saying that they're they have same-sex attraction or even if they feel like they're born in the wrong body, how she would counsel those people. She was brought up under the War Crimes Act in the country of Finland and found guilty of a war crime for writing this pamphlet basically saying essentially what agrees with the DSM-4 uh in in the previous DSMs, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, that homosexuality is actually a mental disorder. It's something that that needs treatment, not a an entire month of celebration, right? And so, anyway, we can [clears throat] go a lot further into all that, but we got a lot of ground to cover today. >> say that is that is kind of a that is kind of a hypocritical statement though, because when you're talking on a podcast that's transcribed, there's going to be a lot of information on social media at this point. For what it's worth. Yep. That's the idea. I hadn't thought about that, so I need to get out of here. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, you're in. You're way too far in at this point. You've been here way too many times at this table, but we're going to go and start in verse 16 of Romans 7. So, Russ, how about you go and get us going? We're going to go 16 through 20. Okay. Now, Yep. Now, if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law that it is good. So now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now, if I do what Page flip. If I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. So, let's go and talk about this. This is a further extrapolation out of verse 15. Again, verse 15, "For I do not understand my own actions, for I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing that I hate." He continues down, and you can see in verse 17, it is the sin that dwells within him, right? It is no longer I who do it. Again, this is very personal. He's not shirking personal responsibility. He's not speaking of us generically. Oh, as huma- humanity or as this group of humans, this is how we comport ourselves. No, it's me as an individual, me Paul, not me Paul in a past life with a previous name and a previous occupation. Paul now, right? Present tense. That he's he's speaking of a conflict of his desires within him, and then it goes into a complete inability to control it, right? This gets into even to our conversation. Maybe this is where we'll kick it off last week, where we're talking about sanctification. What is sanctification? Is it an occurrence? I don't think there's any argument you know, any intellectual argument for that. It is a process, which implies you start somewhere and you end up somewhere else, and the assumption is if you're truly becoming sanctified, you're becoming a more Christ-like version of whenever you started in your sanctification journey. But I mean, my gosh, like Paul is just really laying it out there. Like this is me. I'm talking about me, and this is why it's so harmful and and difficult to deal with. So, let's roll it out from there. So one one question I do have is so, you know, you said absolutely is not, but so on the it starts there. I guess for my perspective on stuff, like I I can see that, but on a Calvinist side, like is there not a definite the sanctification happen- happening at that time that puts you at a right standing at that time? What was that again? That basically like that at the acceptance of salvation um would you be sanctified? I mean, I I guess I can kind of take a piece of each one of those and be like there's a portion of you that is sanctified, there's portion of you that is continually sanctified, there's a portion of you that will not be sanctified until you're in glory. And then there's scripture that says, you know, no one sees the Lord if they're not holy and so like I I see what you're saying. I wonder if y'all had any >> [clears throat] >> You wanted to know like he's in the Calvinistic Well, I just wondered if lingo but I just wondered if that was a particular I don't know draw there. So, I I think where it draws is for I know nothing good dwells in me that is in my flesh. So, if there's nothing good that dwells in you within your flesh, you're not going to see what is holy. So, here's what I personally believe. I believe that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to the beauty of the gospel. Once you hear the gospel and you're and the Holy Spirit enters you, they open your eyes to the beauty of it and you're now sanctified because you have repented and believed. But the first person to make the move was God by opening up the Holy Spirit in your mind or in your eyes to see the beauty of the gospel. So, God is the >> [clears throat] >> Excuse me, God is the initiator in the equation. But if we look forward, guys, to Romans 8:28-39, this is really where the doctrine of sanctification is starting to really get meted out. But even look at a verse 30 of Romans 8 and then we'll come right back to 7. And those whom he predestined, he also called. Don't worry, we'll get to all that later on. And those whom he called, he also justified, past tense. And those whom he justified, past tense, he also glorified, past tense. So, glorification is as good as done. Yep. It doesn't get more done, right? You know, as Lady Wickersham who is not here to defend herself, it is more done than the steak she orders at restaurants as we've talked about on the show. She loves ordering those filets well-done, baby. But glorified justified past tense, done, right? So, you're talking about predestination now? No, so what what I'm mainly talking about is that the doctrine of sanctification, sanctification in and of itself definitionally is a process, right? That has a direction and a trajectory. But in terms of our justification and our glorification, right? It is as good as done. Yes, once we repent and believe. Once we repent and believe and then we I'm sure we'll we'll be debating for for the next [clears throat] several months when once we really get into 8 like, okay, how when does that happen? Foreknowledge and predestination and okay, what does all that mean? But again, I think that kind of talks about what is done versus what is happening. Like what is a continuation of where we're at now. I just want to make sure we're good cuz I didn't really pull out any like Calvinist teaching from this. Yeah. No, I just wondered if that Did that answer your question though? With what I said? Okay. It mainly answered that like there there's no conflict there on the continuation of the sanctification versus it just being done. Like once we're saved, we're saved. Like once saved, always saved. I'll always believe that. So, like once we believe, repent and believe, like I believe in the justification and glorification. Now, sanctification happens as we go through time because we are still sinful beings, but now we know what sin is. So, like when I'm driving down the road and I get really [inaudible] off, I can either listen to the flesh and flip off that driver or actually I was just driving back on the highway and this guy was sitting in the fast lane and I had to go around him in the slow lane because he's just sitting in the fast lane and like part of me like I just want to cut this guy off in the fast lane, but there's like nobody in front of me. I'm like, what's the point? You know, do I listen to my flesh to where I can get some satisfaction in myself who knows if that guy even cares anyways or even gets to the point, but do I get that satisfaction in that moment or do I just just go on, man? I'll just move, you know. I think here kind of I know it's easy for us to relate this because it's the opposite of sanctification, the idea that like I keep [snorts] on doing it, but you know, I really don't think that's the point Paul is trying to make is he's trying to give relatability towards the idea that even he Paul has understands where they're coming from that there is again this inner turmoil. He's he's, you know, like we said last week, he's got these two strings. He's saying the flesh, he's saying the spirit, he's saying inner turmoil, he's talking about the inner man, you know, I heard it said, you know, which which dog are you going to feed? You got these two things warring against each other and not so much like getting into the sanctification process. He's just saying like this is the this is the human reality that we have is that even I believe that he's saying even even though I have salvation, I'm still human in the sense that I have a warring flesh against my spirit. And he's he's just declaring that. I think he's also bringing an understanding and my kid my son really brought this to my eyes. When he was about five or six, like he was asking me about, you know, what it is to become a Christian and how do you become a Christian? And I was like, hey, you got to believe in Jesus and, you know, give your life to him, repent from your sins and we talked about repentance of sins and so he's like thinking about it. So, the next night I came and talked to him like, hey, do you want to give your life to Christ? And he said, no, because I have more sinning to do. And he's a he was afraid to give his life to Christ because he was afraid to sin. And I had to talk to him about sanctification. And what's funny is my daughter who's going to be baptized at the end of this month. By the time this comes out, she'll already be baptized. But she's going to be baptized and she she made a comment that she's like, that I feel like, you know, like even though when we get baptized, I'm still kind of sin. I still sin. And I was like I was like, is baptism what saves you? She's like, no. You know, and I was like I was like, are you, you know, I go, do we not do need to you not need to be baptized or you not a Christian? And she's like, no, I'm a Christian. I just need more sanctification. And so it's just like hearing that. She's how old? She's eight. You think more people should be more honest with themselves on the idea that like there's some people that have that thought and they're like, I've got more sinning to do and they're like perpetually just planning to claim >> [clears throat] >> salvation though not claim its lordship. I almost feel [clears throat] like it's it's even pre that. I remember having a conversation so when you and I were both at the University of Central Oklahoma at the time around 17,000 students, roughly 1,500 of those students were international students and I think most of which at the time were from Japan. I think that's that's all accurate. I remember talking to a buddy of mine named Shigeki and fantastic soccer player. He and I played on the UCO men's soccer team together. Just just grew I mean these Japanese guys, they were just some of the greatest, nicest dudes ever. I remember sharing Christ with Shigeki and one of the things that he said was, I'm just I'm just not, you know, I can't even like consider something like that. I'm just like the word would have been depraved, but he's just like I'm just I got I've got to get cleaned up before I could ever consider something like that. And I tried in my probably 20-year-old way to like, well, that's I mean that's not really the point. Like you don't Yeah, you don't avoid the restaurant because you're hungry. You go to the restaurant because you're hungry, right? And you know, it's kind of one of those things and so it's almost like before that they're just like, hey, I'm not clean enough yet so I can't even enter into this process. Or I'm afraid like my kids were afraid like, oh, if I sin, then I'm not really a Christian. And I feel like that's what Paul's trying to get here is like, hey, you're still going to deal with the flesh. But now you now what that you're in the spirit, he's going to that's when he brings in 8 where he's talking about what you're talking about, the intertwining. You're taking these two strings and you're bringing into one. We're kind of skipping around, but I think this is probably appropriate cuz one thing as you guys were talking that I was thinking about, you know, I gave my life to Christ later in life I think than many of you guys did, but I'm sure you can relate. I think at the point where I genuinely asked God to save me, you're you're given a spirit at that point. In my mind, you know, you're sealed at that point. You your desires will start to change and I can attest that that was true in terms of what I thought was right or wrong or what you're pursuing, what you're consuming, what your media looks like, all that kind of thing. And so I think that's the initial change, but it doesn't mean that you're acting that out. That's the sanctification process. But I thought this was pretty interesting. I didn't know this, maybe you guys did. Um but have you looked into the Roman legal adoption system? It's called like hui thesia or something like that. But it says the Roman [snorts] Empire ran on adoption. It did. Emperors like Augustus and Nero inherited the world not by birth, but by legal adoption. Paul leverages this as the ultimate power dynamic. And so that the things that he says here is all previous debts and financial obligations of the adoptee were legally expunged. You sever old ties. The adoptee lost all rights and obligations to their former family and domain. Irrevocable status. A natural-born son could be disowned. An adopted Roman son was virtually impossible to unadopt and they had co-heir rights. So, the adoptee received equal status and inheritance alongside any natural-born children. So, at the point that you've given your life to Christ and you are sealed, the other thing that they talk about here that's interesting is when this happened, to make a Roman adoption legally unassailable, the transaction was recorded on wax tablets. The document was bound and sealed with the signet ring of seven Roman citizens who served as legal witnesses. If an accuser ever challenged the son's right to the inheritance, the son did not have to argue his own case or prove his worth. He simply pointed to the unbroken seals of the witness, which kind of looks like this. Oh, wow. That makes a lot of sense. In a Roman context, when Paul is talking with these Roman citizens, this would have made a heck of a lot of sense. And the point is when it happens, it's not your own doing, but it's sealed right then and it's irrevocable. Cuz he's going to talk about adoption in eight. Mhm. Yeah. Y'all keep going. I'm enjoying listening. Message. >> Yeah. Just start reading more scriptures so we get >> [laughter] >> Do it. Well, we're not trying to rush, but you got ants in your pants trying to get to eight. Get to 7:24. Yeah, I'm just Well, look, we yeah, we can go ahead and so Russ, uh, Mr. Ants in his pants, uh, go ahead and read 21 through 25. And that's where we're [clears throat] going to park. We're just going to open it up from 16 through the end of the chapter. So, I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand, for I delight in the law of God in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am, who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. I mean, there's a lot here. Um, when [clears throat] you go back to 21, when he's talking about, "So I find it to be a law," I mean, here he's he's not talking about the natural law or the moral law that we see introduced in Romans 1. He's not even talking about the the Mosaic Law. Um, he's just kind of like talking about like this is just kind of a law like in general in terms of like SOPs, like standing operating procedures of how he would do things. But overall, as we see really verse 7 through 25, this is all Paul talking about himself in the like singular. Um, he's talking about it in He's he's basically saying this is my testimony, right? That this is exactly what he's going in his first person singular. And uh, I just think that's really really important to keep to keep in mind here. It's who he's talking about, but also how that applies to us as well. I had to look up members. Cuz I'm like, what's he talking about members? Like he can see you a part of a club, you know? But no, it's actually talking about like your hands and uh, your feet, your mind, your heart. Um, and he just talks about how he delights in the law of God in his inner being, but I see my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. So, it's like your body is still part of this flesh, and so you're still going to have those fleshly desires. But it's like, how can I over how can I overcome that law with the law of God? So, >> [clears throat] >> Let me Let me Let me do something here. This is interesting. >> [sighs] >> I'd never heard this as a picture of of what you just described, but it's the Maezentian punishment. And so, it references back to wretched man that I am, who will deliver me from this body of death, Romans 7:24. Well, the historic one of the historical context that I guess they would have understood then is ancient writers, including Virgil in the Aeneid, describe a horrific punishment utilized by the Etruscan tyrants, which I guess this was documented. A living prisoner was stripped and bound face-to-face limb-to-limb with the rotting corpse of who he married. I mean, of who he murdered. The living man was forced to carry the dead weight until the pet the petrification of that dead body killed him. Woo. And so, the corpse, the old man, the flesh that has been crucified, but whose putrid influence is still clinging to the believer. The new creation in Christ desiring to live, but being dragged down by the decay of the past sin. The only external force that can sever the chains is thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So, I'd never heard this. So, when we were talking >> punishment? Yeah. In the last In the last episode, when we were talking about like, I'm going to be perfect and holy and I have this next level of Christendom and all that stuff, this came this kept coming to mind. It's kind of in It's It's the picture that Paul's talking about where we are chained to that sinful nature. And this would have been something that was known in Paul's context. And not to mention, it's just this brutal picture of having sin that you can't get rid of. And the only thing that you can do about this is pray to God and have him break the chains. Absolutely. It kind of reminds me of the Pilgrim's Progress and the Christian is like carrying this burden on his back. Like this halfway through the story, and he gets to the cross, and the burden falls off. And like that burden I I I can kind of see that. And the burden falls off because Christ is, you know, now we are redeemed through him and not through our own actions. I feel like one of the C.S. Lewis books, um, the Great Is it the Great Divorce where he goes to Which one is it where he goes to the afterlife? >> Great Divorce. >> Great Divorce. Is it where there's like a bus trip to hell? Yeah, I feel like there's a character in there that's like something like that that's like carrying around a weight or has something, you know, tied to him, but Won't let it go. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, like here we see, so like one thing in studying this, um, they'll just kind of share with you guys. We've already brought it up in a past one, but I think it's it's worth repeating here is that um, this this word that they use for law, it was the same word that they use for the idea of a principle, um, but also the word that they use for the law. And so, like whenever he's he's going through here, he's he's I don't know if we would say a play on words, but he's talking about that there's different principles. So, like whenever you read this and say, "So, I find I find it be that a law or principle, you know, that I that when I want to do right, evil lies at hand. Uh, for I delight in the law of God, meaning like the actual law of God, and in my inner being, uh, but then he says my members or my flesh, again, a law, a principle waging war against the law of my mind, another principle that I know in my mind what I should be doing, my flesh is doing one thing, and again, he's kind of in this one where we've seen flesh versus spirit, now we're seeing flesh versus mind to where the he's actually gone from feeling like I should do something different, uh, there being a spirit in me, that there's actually a something has been impacted in me that now I have a a mental desire to do the right thing, and I still am not like I thought that maybe my mind just needed to make the switch and I and I would want to do it. Now that I want to do it in my mind is now raging against the flesh as well, and I'm still in the same predicament, uh, because I'm still basically trying to live by the flesh's rules versus the spirit. Well, this goes back to the What was the punishment? Uh, what what group did that that punishment? What was that called again? Dude, um, it was the Etruscan tyrants um, that did it. And it's written I can get the the reference to this, but the punishment was uh, if you murdered somebody, I think it was the general reason this happened. It was in It was ancient writers, including the Virgil in the A E N E I D. I think it's Aeneid. Describe a horrific punishment utilized by Etruscan tyrants. A living prisoner was stripped and bound face-to-face, limb-to-limb, with a rotting corpse, the one that he murders. And then, you know that all of that stuff gets on you, so you slowly are killed by the person that you killed. Face-to-face, too. Face-to-face. You're strapped to this decaying corpse. So, it's just this picture. But yeah. Well, so the reason why I bring that up is because it >> [snorts] >> it feels like in the same discussion is that was something that was done to them. That was done against their will. They obviously would not have wanted that to happen. They wanted to commit the murder, which is why they did, but they did they would not have chosen the punishment. But how many people today are choosing to be strapped to their old sin? Yeah. Like they they would they're I mean, that's a pretty macabre way of looking at it in terms of what you just described. That's It seems like ancient and now we're we're beyond that somehow. Yeah. But how many people, Christian or non-Christian, like I don't know, what is that? The the chains of guilt or shame or or something like that. They're like, "I'm so wretched." Again, verse 24, "Wretched man that I am." They're so wretched that they would actually choose that punishment for themselves. Like they don't want the bonds to be loosed. Like they want them to be tightened. Like I I find that that is something that certainly happens with a lot of people. Are you talking about somebody as uh, that's saved or not saved? Cuz the other part of this would just this is obviously a different picture, but if you don't know that you're subject to sin, a prisoner of sin, because you're dead spiritually, then you don't have that innate sort of desire to to not want to, as you just described. So, you're you're decaying along with this dead body that's attached to you, as opposed to the living person, you you recognize that you need somebody to break you away from this sin. And And that won't be perfected until the other side of death, but at least the desire is there. Well, I think the we we see from the non-Christian and the Christian this idea of of self-flagellation, of self-punishment. Sure. Um, I've said before even like of all the criticism I get, no one critiques me nearly as hard as I critique myself. So, if you catch on to a mistake that I've made on a show or something that I've I've done wrong or something you disagree with, no one's going to do that harder than I do. So, that's almost like a a form of self-flagellation, self-punishment. Oh, I can't believe I did that. And why did I say that? And I can't believe I used to think that and those types of things. I think that's indicative of both sides of the equation for the believer and the non-believer. Just like Jobi would say, God is bigger than your sin, right? You need to let that go. >> How many people believe that? Right. Cuz even even the believer So, cuz Jobi won't >> No, just say >> He gives the examples. Like he did it on his Easter sermon. It's like, look, you are not your abortion. Right. >> You are not your affair. Mhm. You are not your divorce. You are not your um and again, there's a lot of campuses they have inside of prisons. You're not your crime. Like you're you're not any of those things because there there's an inherent cockiness or or pride in that, my sins are different. Mhm. I I understand what you're saying and all of that but >> [clears throat] >> what I did is so unforgivable that I don't deserve the grace of God. And it's like, bro, you're half you're halfway there. Yeah. You're halfway there just by saying you don't deserve it. Yes, that's the true answer. And that's better than you what you hear from somebody else who's like, well, I just did it differently than you. You know, it's like we got to understand what that sin what sin is. And like we once we understand what that is, it's like how our eyes open to it. Is it are we open to it to like God's not going to forgive me for this? Are we open to it to it's this is just who I am. I just do things differently. Yeah. Goes back to when you're talking about discernment, too. Um I mentioned this to you outside of the podcast in the past, but somebody close to me um early in their life, you know, got a divorce. And um you know, southern southern [snorts] raising and all that stuff and um the person's pastor calls her right after this divorce and tells her she's going to hell. And so now, you know, 40 years later, she's still grappling with this in her in her mind. And in the conversation when we talk about discernment and all of that, you know, if if you read what this says and understand what it says, then Christ died on the cross for you just like he did for anybody else. And so, I do think it's incumbent upon us to to be reading and to know what's what and to stand on this truth like we talked about a few episodes ago cuz those things can haunt you forever if you don't understand it. And I think Yeah. Well, that's part of the issue is that people are not we we've never had more ubiquity when it comes to Bib- Bible ownership. Yeah. We've never had more access to the Bible. >> you mean by ubiquity? >> I mean it's it's just widespread. The amount of people that own Bibles. >> Yeah. >> That can get Bibles for free. That can You know, how many You can get on your phone. >> Yeah. How how many churches say, you know, hey, you know, go and turn in your Bibles to this. And if you don't have one, hey, like Matt Chandler's like, hey, there's a hardback black one in the you know, right in there in front of you. Go ahead and grab that. That's yours to keep. Or you know, Jobi says, hey, there's going to be there was real nice leather-bound ones in the lost and found. May have someone else's name on it, but go ahead and you can have one of those as well. We've got free apps. >> that. That's awesome. Yeah, there's [laughter and clears throat] free apps. There's promo codes that you can get to get apps that aren't quite as free to unlock all these different things. We've never had more access to the Bible. Mhm. And yet, we still have a tremendous amount of biblical illiteracy. Mhm. And so, even in that situation, that absolutely heartbreaking situation, I see both sides of that. I see the heartbreak that was attached to that woman by that pastor. And I I always make mention of this, but I want to actually actually read it. The writer of Hebrews, likely Paul, said this in Hebrews 13:17, "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you." Mhm. So, what this is saying is that pastors, Mhm. shepherds, will have to give an account for how they have cared for their flocks, right? Not just the sins of commission, but also the sins of omission. Like how they neglected to lead their flock. And as a lot of people have said before and Mark even said at this table, Pastor Mark Hitchcock, our pastor, the three of ours pastors, he basically said, "Do you know that there are pastors in our Christians?" Yeah. There there are plenty of pastors at Christian churches that have the word pastor on their business card, but they're not believers. Yeah. They found something in religion, whether it was some sort of fulfillment, some sort of control mechanism, but they themselves have not, you know, knelt before the Lord and gave their life over over to Christ. And those people still are going to have to give an account, right? Now, they're going to have to give an account for who they've basically tethered their life to and their hope for the afterlife as well. And even when you look at um end times prophecy, rapture. Again, some people don't think rapture's going to happen. We're already in the thousand year, right? Well, there's all kinds of different ways of thinking, but there are going to be people that are left behind uh for lack of a better way of phrasing it, left behind that were like, wait a minute. But I'm a pastor, though. Like this was clearly the rapture. I knew this was coming. Why am I still here? And then you're going to have this attack of conscience and this attack of awareness. And even after rapture, there will be we see from scripture, I think it's in Zechariah, that people will still have the ability to turn to Christ even even in that time. But I can just imagine the the mind, you know, the the jacking with their mind that they're they're still left behind. You know, they have the title. >> That [clears throat] as you're talking about that, this is such a simple thing, but talking about Pastor Mark, several years ago as I was going through the, you know, getting baptized and all that stuff, I met with Pastor Mark in his office and had a bunch of questions for myself and for somebody else. And in the very beginning of this, he could just you could tell he could tell. He's got all these books everywhere. And he just simply looked at me in the eye. I'll never forget it. And he just said "Zach there is a God." And he just kind of let that sit. >> [sighs] >> And I just I'll never forget it. And then I asked the questions and, you know, like for instance, he went up and got a book down. And it was just here's all the civilizations that had a flood story. Epic of Gilgamesh. >> kinds of things, you know. We just kind of method- And he just kind of very patiently went through that. But as you talk about people being led [snorts] by pastors that aren't Christians, you know, just to have that very simple, genuine statement and then just let it sit there. You know, I think we're just very fortunate to have him because he he definitely um he he believes what he preaches through and through. I mean, I just think about it. Rachel kind of said the same thing to me. We were at a church and I was just we were having a conversation during lunch and and I was like, I just disagree with where the pastor's coming from. I was like, there's no biblical basis behind it. And I just don't understand like what what's going on here. And she's like, well, he's our pastor. We're going to have to submit. And that made me really think, is this somebody I want to submit to? Is this now or previously? >> No, this is previously. >> Okay. This was not not not I I'll tell a story that to kind of come up with that one, but I kind of I thought about it and um and we had more conversations. I started seeing where a lot of the messaging the pastor was bringing to us where it was coming from. Um it was coming from a different source. And it wasn't coming from the Bible. It was coming from a different source. And this source, I can tell you, was very very far to the left. And I was like, whoa. And I was in my moralistic stage in life where it was all about I'm a good person type of thing. And even I was like, this stuff's not lining up biblically. And so, luckily, we like basically moved at this point. So, I didn't have to have a falling out and leave, but I was like, made me really think like when we moved to Texas, I'm going to have to find a church, but I'm going to have to find somebody that I'm going to have to submit to. Mhm. And we ended up finding a good church that really poured into me. And then we moved back here to Oklahoma. And I went to a couple of churches and then we we settled on Faith Faith uh Bible Church in um Will wanted to be baptized. And we know you know we have the uh the 8-year-old limit or the 8-year-old age to to do baptism. So, they don't really they don't really break away from that. And I wanted to talk to to Jay. And Jay's been on the podcast with us many times. Jay and I have a pretty good relationship. And um and I said, "Jay, you know, like we really feel like and it's biblically rooted like once you believe, they're baptized." And he's like he goes, "I can see where you're coming from with that, but this is why we do this." And I was like he's like, "Hey, I'm not telling you you can't baptize your kid. Like if you want to take him and go get him baptized, like go and baptize him. But I can't do it at this church because this is this is what we have set in place and this is the reason why." And I said, "Okay." He's like, "I'm just going to have to ask you to submit to leadership." And I was like, that's the first time somebody's like actually said that to me. And I was like, I went home and and I was talking to Rachel about it. And uh and she's like, "Okay." She goes, "I see where they're coming from." I was like, he basically asked me you have to submit to leadership. You know, I'm going to have to ask you to submit to leadership on that. And she kind of looked at me cuz she knows how I am. I'm pretty I'm pretty uh bullheaded guy. If I'm set in my ways, I'm set in my ways. And I respect Pastor Mark, Pastor Jay, and our elders at our church so much and how I've grown spiritually through them, I was like I was so willing to submit to that. I was like, you know what? I I want my son to be baptized in his church in this church with our our church people that I'm going to submit to leadership. And that was just more God opening up for me, you know, of submission to, you know, his who he put in place. You know, but these are men that I can And it made me think back to that last church and it was like, man I didn't have any respect. And it's not that I wouldn't want it to be disrespectful, it's just like I didn't respect where that guy was at pastor-wise. That's a great dichotomy. Really good. But I just think um as well as we continue or sorry wrapping to a close on on Romans [snorts] 7 really the the the statement that really stands out is in verse 24 wretched man that I am. How many people are in Paul's position this is post-conversion Paul that have no sense of their wretchedness. And I I really struggle with that. Russ kind of goes back to some where you were kind of bringing up earlier like at what time are people like really wrestling up with this like why would they choose to strap themselves to the the old sin or iniquity or something like that? >> [sighs and gasps] >> But I just I'm I'm always struck by talking to Christians that seem to they can't even remember it's like they don't even recall or remember their own sin nature and has nothing to do with their level of sanctification like oh man that old guy is so far back in my past I don't even recognize him. It's like they almost feel functionally like that 17-year-old kid that we talked about last week where they're like no I'm good to go. It's like you're good to go huh? You're 35 years old and you figured it all out which is twice the age of that that young kid you brought up last week in that RC Sproul story. But I'm just and then you have other people that are who's the guy Dr. Johnson or whatever the guy that does the Shroud of Turin stuff. There were I think Russell Brand came out and said man this guy's just obsessed. He's just obsessed with you know personal wretchedness and you know he's obsessed with you know that that Cliff no one knows how to pronounce his last name guy that goes and speaks on college campuses and all that and you know talks about his his personal wretchedness and all these types of things and he's just like you know he was talking about it in in a way towards like man these people are so saddled with who they used to be but I'm like God we got to remember that guy. Yeah. >> Because we're still that guy. We're just further along in our sanctification process. We just have a different destination that we had before Christ. I would be more worried about myself if I forgot that guy. Because once I forget that guy I forget the need I need for a savior. Sure. That's where I come to that. Like that's where I I don't hang on to my wretchedness. I'm just reminded by my wretchedness and the reason I'm reminded by it is why I need a savior. It's like I couldn't be I couldn't be on this sanctification journey I'm on if it wasn't for him. It reminds me of whenever it first like a few weeks back we were talking about that Paul makes this statement about what's the purpose of the law? Was the law the sin? No the law the law was to get me I I wrote down it it translated it into a voice that I understood what sin was. And so during that segment you know I was kind of thinking through the idea that you have to for something to really become real it has to be named. You know you hear stuff about different cultures that don't have a word for something and they really have trouble with having a concept for that thing even ever they understand and are starting to try to understand what that is but if they didn't have a word for it you can tell the cultures that truly understand a thing by the way they have a word for it and the more words they have for that thing so look at different like Hebrew stuff like that the words love the word father all these different things you can understand their culture is really acclimated towards the idea of fully understanding grasping all of the nuances of that particular thing. And for us I think that that is somewhat of our relationship with the flesh and with the like you said not forgetting that person is that Paul here is not encouraging us to live in that flesh but is encouraging us to name it and to give it give it the name that we recognize of saying like my mind wants to do what is right and I live by the law of the Lord in my mind but I still have flesh and it still tries to live by the law of the flesh and even though I'm saying that it's of the flesh that doesn't mean that I have to live in it actually helps me identify it as something separate and remove myself from it. Whereas if I never identify it it's really hard for me to separate myself from it just like in the medical field you know one of the first things you try to do when you have something going on is identify it and and the better you can identify that thing the better that you can run avoidance towards the effects of that thing happen on your life. And so um anyways I I think it is really important that we identify that we name it. That's what he's trying to encourage us to do is not to I think a lot of his congregation here for the Jewish congregants that had come back they were almost trying to use the Holy Spirit as the secret sauce that was like man under the law before we couldn't do it but now we have the Holy Spirit and so like it's this kind of cheat code that like all of a sudden now like we are actually going to be able to be completely perfect. And he was saying no like we have a better understanding now but if we if we try to live by the flesh I mean later on in beginning of eight he just breaks out so cleanly to to really express the idea to be like if you want to play the game on that realm you'll be judged on that realm. Jesus died for your sins so that you don't have to play on that realm. So you can still recognize it name it say it for what it is but you don't have to live by the rules of the flesh anymore. I mean that's what I really love about it. He said wretched man that I am but then he follows it up with who will deliver me from this body. So who will deliver me from this sin? And he said thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. And so that's where it just comes back to like we you know like that man's there but we have a remembrance in Christ that that man is not who we are. You know going back to Psalm 40 it's probably a way to put that into action when you're praying. I go to the Psalm a lot. And I'll just read the beginning and the end. The beginning says I waited patiently for the Lord. He inclined to me and he heard [snorts] my cry. He drew me up from the pit of destruction out of the miry bog and set my feet upon a rock making my steps secure. And at the end it says as for me I am poor and needy but the Lord takes thought for me. You are my help and my deliverer do not delay oh my God. So as a as a way to you know not just talk about this drastic vision of being wretched and and sin being attached to you and and all of that even even David in the Psalms knew this and he's just simply going it going to God bringing it to him acknowledging that he's poor and needy that he may be in a difficult circumstance but that God's there. And we talked about the rock stuff a couple of weeks back. One of the arguments not to completely revisit it but one of the arguments is when you see the Old Testament you know talking about a rock it's never talking about a human being it's talking about God. It's talking about a or a little or a literal rock right? And I think it's very important as well. This morning in church we got into we've been going verse by verse through Ephesians for the last several months. We got to Ephesians 6:10 and Ephesians 6:10 through 20 is you know the full armor of God. And going back to verse 23 of Romans 7 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law in my mind. And I think there are a lot of people to take a quote from Eric Metaxas they're saving powder for tomorrow's battle as it pertains to what's going on in in this world. [clears throat] But also what's going on in the in themselves. Because obviously we were all somehow born into sin and born into a spiritual battle. And Mark kind of broke down like okay when did Lucifer fall his contention and I thought this was interesting is that Lucifer fell after Adam and Eve were created. Cuz he wanted what Adam and Eve Eve had which was communion in fullness in God. But Lucifer was incapable of that because he wanted to be God. He was tired of being looked This is what Jobia said a bunch she's tired of being looked through as the worship leader of heaven and he wanted to be looked to which led to his fall. Which makes sense in kind of the cosmic timeline that he would fall after the creation of Adam and Eve and then when present as a dragon [clears throat] to try and you know enter allow sin and evil to enter into the cosmos. So um I think a very appropriate place to end our discussion today and then pick up our discussion next week is with Romans 8:1. And so Russ go ahead and read Romans 8:1 and then we will wrap. I'm going to wrap right on it. You can't talk after it. Uh before I read this Uh Come on. I just wanted to say to your idea about you were talking about the the soldier stuff. I did want to say that word wretched is talai porus which was a military term that actually suggested like completely distressed basically in battle they somebody would just be completely like worn out to the point of exhaustion so Before you read this I got one thing to say. Hey make sure you have a little diatribe too Zach. Get ready. I just want to say Kyle through all your social media comments that you made on my page that I finally believe that Satan was a dragon in the garden. So I'm glad >> It was your social media comments that did it. Yes. His social media comments changed my ideas. You not only got him like you got him there because now he can't say that anymore. So social media [laughter] does have an effect. There you go. So that was the way to bring you to team dragon was so that you could contradict something and go contrary to what I said earlier? Zach, go ahead and give us your final word before we have the actual final word. Give us something. >> Where have you landed in terms of onions and apples and Genesis? >> and you've been working on this one for a while. >> Here we go. Well, I've been [clears throat] working on it for a while. I introduced it I introduced it to my brother who's been working on it for a long while, but yeah, where where are you? I mean, ultimately uh I stand by this statement that if anyone ever tries to give me a caramel-covered onion pretending to be a caramel-covered apple and I bite into it I'm fighting everybody in the general vicinity. No, no, no, you said that you would just fight the person in the closest proximity. >> it out. We had planned multiple times for that to be like different people. I will fight I will fight a woman, I will fight a child, I will fight all the available men. It'll I mean, I'm going to go full jawbone on you guys. So Jawbone of a donkey. >> Joby, if you can if you're if you're listening to this I I said this to Kyle on the phone. I said, Kyle You can't share this with the whole world, can you? He's going to. I'm going to. I guess so. I was like, what if we did like three caramel apples, but one of them's an onion? And you have to choose one. Joby has to choose one. Joby has to choose one, but Joby has to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich before he could choose one. Yeah. And then Kyle has to eat that caramel >> put him on an even playing field and make Joby PB&J if Kyle will eat a carameled onion? Because I want the surprise of Kyle. We I mean, we could put all three of them in an onion. He wouldn't even know. Actually, we should just do a roulette table where all there is on the table is options of carameled onions or PB&J and see who lasts the longest at the table. All I know is I have not given up hope that I will one day prevail in my journey to getting Joby Martin to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. >> And I'm on that mission with you. >> stick-in-the-mud believes that he's never going to have a peanut butter and jelly. All right. >> feel bad for him cuz it's actually one of my like I don't know Joby and so Joby, I don't care whether you ever eat a PB&J or not. Uh but I do feel bad it's like such a childhood memory of mine that like I it's one of my favorite meals to this day, man. If I want a PB&J and a glass of milk ice cold Braum's vitamin D milk. I make PB&J Oh, man, it's so good. I like to eat like toast in the morning. My wife hates it. But like for breakfast like I'll make eggs and bacon and they'll do like Nutella on toast or like butter and cinnamon. I'll put peanut butter and jelly on the toast and she's like, that's disgusting. I was like, it's delicious. I've got something that just goes back to your Adam and Eve deal though. I just want to say something. Do you know what time It's going to It's going to play out I really want to Do you know so like what you were saying about that the the Satan fell after [snorts] that is um in in Josh Howerton's deal that I was talking about the other day, he was talking about how a lot of the words that were used for Adam and Eve was giving them dominion over the earth. And the idea that Satan then when he was cast down basically saw a way to try to regain dominion that he couldn't grasp that he was jealous of by trying to get them um to to basically go against God. >> Give up their dominion mandate. >> Yeah, which would basically give him that that deed or the open deed, you know, passed to him, so. Yeah. [snorts] Anyways, it's going to be cool whenever whenever we actually get into it, so. I'll I'll read verse one. Do it. >> Like you asked me to. Do it, do it. 10 minutes ago. Yeah, by all means. Hey, there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. >> And we're going to leave it there. A quick resilience boost had Undaunted Life our mission is to equip men to push back darkness with content that forge a spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. Don't forget about the Log Off Undaunted Life Study Bundle, check that out in the show notes. 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Remember keep pushing back darkness keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience keep seeking the lion of Judah. Conqueror. >> [music]