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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that
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forges spiritual mental and physical resilience.
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At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word, and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with
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us.
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That's Ryan.
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That's Kale, that's Adam.
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I don't know why everyone's laughing.
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We're just over here having a good time.
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I didn't need to correct the record on a couple of things.
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Last week, I think I said multiple times that David wrote Psalm 42.
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He definitely didn't write Psalm 42, and I think I made someone else at the table say
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the same thing.
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So thanks a lot, Adam, for making me look bad afterwards and not like correcting me in
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the moment.
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How dare you?
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You're welcome.
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There was another mistake that was made.
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I forget, but we'll get there.
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But can we continue this like sushi debate that was happening?
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Because here we are eating brisket, like that had been cooking all day, and all you nerds
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could talk about was where the best sushi can be found.
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Here's the thing.
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I'm a sushi redneck.
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I'm a tempura, sushi guy, like everyone that's like, "Oh, this hasn't made me mean."
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It comes from "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
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I have no freaking idea.
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I just put it in my goal, and if it's delicious, I'll eat another piece, and if not, I don't.
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But y'all seem to all have matrices of categories of deciding what is sushi that is good enough
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for your pallets.
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So how about you enliven everybody?
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So this will be the fine dining segment of the forging table.
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Like I was very enthralled by all the arguments that were being made.
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I didn't know Caleb really well.
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We've been on the forging table a couple of times.
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Yeah.
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Today I finally learned that his taste in sushi is crap.
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Okay.
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Well, we need to know why, because he seemed rather confident in his ability to pick out
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good sushi, but then everyone had their own categories here.
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Well, you know, when you say your favorite sushi is a steak sushi, then I know that you
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don't really eat sushi.
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Oh, no.
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I'm just saying.
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It's probably the best kind of sushi.
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It's really good sushi.
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It's just a different camera.
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I've also told you about the nigiri.
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You said you got it every time.
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Well, every time.
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It's so good.
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Okay.
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I don't even know what that is.
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It's your favorite.
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Pause, pause, pause.
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What is nigiri?
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Nigiri is so that's like a filet of fish on top of some rice.
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So it's like McDonald's, like the McFish with, you know, the rest of those.
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There's nothing fried.
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It's raw.
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And I usually get that, but this one place we go to, they have a steak roll, and it's
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like steak on top that's torched with coconut shrimp in the middle with jalapeno and avocado.
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It doesn't sound like sushi.
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This sounds amazing.
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It's, it's, it's, it's not like sushi sushi, but it's freaking good.
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Do they sell it at a sushi place?
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You probably can get it at a sushi fair.
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I mean, I mean, the sushi you, you do get it at the same fair.
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Does it come on a stick?
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Does it come on a stick?
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Because that would make it like state fair fair.
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So what are the other?
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We didn't talk about this downstairs, but the actual place that I've had that is my
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best sushi was Lawrence, Kansas.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Right by the shop.
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Jayhawk.
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Okay.
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What'd you say?
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Yeah, right by the ocean.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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That's exact.
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I forgot.
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Yes.
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It's probably the farthest sushi place from any ocean.
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I had cake.
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Well, the ocean, you're talking about the sand bar ocean, like the bar that's there called
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the sand bar.
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Is that what you're talking about?
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No.
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What is the ocean?
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About the actual ocean sushi comes from.
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Okay.
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Someone listening from Lawrence, Kansas, who knows what I'm talking about.
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The sand bar is a bar that's in Lawrence, Kansas, and then the sushi place is really
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close to that.
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Yeah.
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Best sushi I had was in Maui.
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That's probably a good place.
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I've had sushi in Maui.
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Sure.
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And Lawrence, Kansas was better.
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Yeah, Kansas.
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I had a place in Dallas.
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I wasn't bad, but hey, I'm taking it to the place he goes to and we could just be like,
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dude, sushi in Lawrence, Kansas is way better.
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Okay.
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Exactly.
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But we do have a lot of people listening to the show in Oklahoma City.
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So how about you nerds?
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Give us your best pick.
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If you can only go to sushi one place in the Oklahoma City metro area, give it to us, and
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then we'll move on to like real topics.
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So, Cafe icon.
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Cafe icon.
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It's obviously sushi make up.
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Oh, gosh.
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Obviously.
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Okay.
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Well, guys, if you're an Okey in the comments section, let us know who is correct.
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And I don't even have it.
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I'm like a sushi bar guy, which apparently makes me like a.
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That's like the trailer.
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Oh, my see.
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See the abuse.
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I mean, you can totally tell it comes from a lot in sushi bar.
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Yeah.
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No, they went from a lot and there would be like bullet casings in the sushi roll like
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somehow or something like that.
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They give you sushi on a stick.
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It has the word sushi in it.
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It must be good.
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Right.
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Gas station.
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The fancy restaurant doesn't matter.
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They're just charging you more for the same garbage.
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It's just like raw fish at the end of the day, right?
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Or it's supposed to be.
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Didn't.
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Did you bring gas station sushi to my shop one time?
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Never.
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I think you know what it did.
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I think it was.
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It wasn't me.
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Like not Zack Todd.
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It was a different Zach.
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Yeah.
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I was never.
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I don't even get sushi at the grocery store, man.
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That's gross.
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That is terrible.
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I might have.
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I was like, you are such a diva.
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My goodness gracious.
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I didn't know there were all these rules.
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It's whiskey.
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That's partially my fault.
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Not my fault at all.
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The second one.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I accept responsibility for the first.
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In clones?
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Clones.
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No.
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Okay.
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No.
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Wait a minute.
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You don't get to talk for 60 seconds.
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So I was.
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Had this moment where I couldn't shower at my house for a second because there was stuff
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going on.
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And so I'm out and about and I need to take a shower and I need to take a shower like
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right now in the closest house I was to that I knew the guy would be there was Ryan's
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house.
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And so I'm like, Hey, Ryan, can I just pop out your house real quick and take a shower?
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Absolutely.
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And so like, you know, gets me a towel and does the whole, you know, southern hospitality
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thing and all that.
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And so after I get out of the shower, I'm looking for, you know, Q tips or something
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like that.
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And so I open up the cabinet and it's like Macy's in there and I don't mean a parade.
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There are a thousand different clones in this dude's side of the bathroom.
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And I have not seen that much cologne since like I was like 17 years old where we're all
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like wearing like Axe body spray or some like curve or cool water or I actually work alone
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called Pimp for a long time.
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You bought it at Gadzooks or one of those types of places or hot topic.
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Did you get that?
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Was that the lot?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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And it works.
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Obviously.
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It was like patchouli and sweat.
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So did you have a bottle of black panther?
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No, with real bits of panther?
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Yeah.
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Sex panther.
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Sex panther.
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Sex panther.
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This is not completely off the rails.
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And we do need to know because I've been around you a lot since we've known each other.
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And never once have I thought to myself, hmm, that guy stinks.
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It's either because you're always covered in cologne or because you just don't need
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it because you just naturally don't stink that much.
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So what is the deal with like the 74 different varieties of cologne?
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I'm just so fat and lazy.
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I don't sweat.
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No.
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I will tell you, I have a real fear of smelling bad.
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This has been a fear I've had since I was like a little kid.
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I have a healthy fear, but then I also like I spend money on cologne.
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You say it's a Macy's?
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No, man.
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You're walking into a Neiman Marcus when you go into that.
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Oh, my God.
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This is like Rick.
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Sushi and cologne.
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Captain [inaudible] over here.
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Oh, my God.
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And it all started with me being a [inaudible] like my cologne sensation because my wife will
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tell you on the first date, she's like, oh, my God, you reeked of this cologne.
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And she had to buy it for me for our anniversary.
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So do you wake up, put on cologne and then go make a salad?
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Is that what happens?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So first I put on my leotard.
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Okay.
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No, no, no.
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Hey, we need to know how.
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So how do you put cologne on?
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Because they're like the guys that just do the little dollop and put it on their wrist
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and rub it together.
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They're the guys that like spray, spray, spray, spray, and then they like run through it
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real quick.
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So since you're apparently like an absolute hoity-toity person about cologne and sushi,
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like, how do you put what is the proper way for the horn to put on cologne?
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I don't go by that anymore.
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That's okay.
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I still call you that fine.
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It's the 14 table that Toby left.
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So what is the 14 table that that Toby loves?
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So how does this one go about putting on cologne?
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So I just spray two sprays right here.
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One spray on the back of the neck.
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What about the four people just listening at home?
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They don't know where here is.
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So two sprays on each, on each pack.
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So that's four total?
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No, no.
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One spray on each pack.
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Okay.
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One on each pack.
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One on the back of your neck.
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And then I will spray my wrist twice, rub it together, and then I'll hit my neck and then
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I'll also do my head too.
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No.
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Ryan.
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Ryan, that's a lot.
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But I always smell good.
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Well, no, I'm saying you always smell neutral.
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You don't even smell good.
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Like I've never been like, oh, that guy smells good.
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Hey, people hug me.
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I'm like, you recognize my essence.
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Well, you don't even like herbal essence.
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But it'd have to be the same essence every time you were you're always wearing different
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cologne.
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I have like five or six different creeds.
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And then I've got some stuff.
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What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
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Like it's a, it's a cloned by Scott Stapp.
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It's a cologne brand from like London, or maybe France.
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I can't remember.
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France sounds fancier.
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Just go.
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Yeah.
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Let's just go there.
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And you, I get it.
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You can get it at Dillard's now, but I used to have to like order it.
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But you get it.
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By the case.
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But like, yeah, I got like green.
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I was tweed.
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I got the oud.
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I've got the good old no.
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They should make that.
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I'd wear it.
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I'd drink it.
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I wouldn't wear it.
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And you would die.
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Yeah.
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So is one of these bottles like 50 bucks, 70 bucks, 100 bucks, what are we talking about?
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You guys are going to make me like a super huge [inaudible] bag.
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We're not going to make you look your name.
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You know how much I've spent on hunting and on firearms.
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They're like they go between $450 to $550.
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That's a lot.
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That is more than I was expecting.
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Her bottle?
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Her bottle.
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And it doesn't come with it.
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It doesn't come with like sandwiches for a month or like any like no perks.
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Are they collectible?
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No.
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I mean...
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Okay.
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Oh my gosh.
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My mind is bad.
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Hey, you look good.
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Yeah.
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How are we supposed to go on with what we're supposed to talk about today?
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I have you have thousands of dollars worth of cologne in your bathroom.
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Thousands of dollars worth of whiskey in my office.
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That's way different because it's awesome.
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But this is cologne we're talking about.
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My cologne friends think it's awesome when I have my cologne friends.
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You have cologne friends?
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This is getting more, more you talk.
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Winklers.
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Winklers are cloned.
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Don't throw him under the bus.
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He's not here to the business.
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Winklers wears a creed.
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Yeah.
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He wears Axe body spray probably at most.
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He just does the Z pattern across the front.
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He finds...
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Handsome as that guy as he can wear Axe.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm so fugly.
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I have to wear a creed.
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Cumin spray.
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Okay.
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It's thousands of dollars.
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I had more questions, but I will tell you one more thing before we get off of this.
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I never thought that this would go this way.
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We would start with sushi and end up with the amount of cologne that you wear.
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But there was a fancy guy that I saw and I don't know if he was on Instagram or TikTok
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or something like that.
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But like an old school guy.
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One of those old Cuban dudes that's just like everything's like, he's got the Cuban cigar
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in his front pocket or whatever.
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What this guy will do is he'll spray his cologne on probably similar to the way you do, but
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then he will spray his hankerchief that he keeps in his front pocket with it so that
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when he starts sweating, he's literally wiping the sweat off with the cologne sent on his
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thing or something like that.
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Have you ever gone that route?
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No.
12:03
All right.
12:04
We need to get you a do-rag or something cool like that.
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So if you need to become prison mic or something like that, you got the purple bandana in the
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pocket.
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I'd be the bell of the ball.
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I think we could do this.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well, this is going to be the worst transition of all time.
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I just totally went from Joey's favorite to Joey's least favorite.
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I hope he announces that publicly because it needs to needs to kind of come through.
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Now, we're going to get into Psalm 63.
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So I just wanted to ask this because one of the cool things about this is one, it actually
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is a psalm of David.
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So Adam, in fact, check true, correct, bam.
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But also it says, in mine, it says, I saw him of David when he was in the wilderness
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of Judah.
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Okay.
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So that kind of provides a context.
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So I'm curious for you guys, what is the most breathtaking scene that you've ever seen
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in nature?
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Where's the place?
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Describe the setting.
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How did you get there?
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Like what is the best place that you can think of whenever you were in the wilderness?
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You're like, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
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That was not in a city.
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You're far from the city lights at this point.
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In Maui, there's a volcano called Hollyakala and you can go up the mountain at like 2 or
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3 a.m.
13:06
And watch the sun rise over the ocean on top of a mountain on a volcano in Hawaiian islands,
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indescribably beautiful, seeing the sun come up over the ocean, the ocean brightening up,
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and then the island starting to brighten up.
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It's amazing.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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What about you guys?
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I want to go.
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I have so many to think about.
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I know it's just tough.
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It's just tough.
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It is tough.
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It is tough.
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I'll go.
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Or to give you all.
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Or go ahead.
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You got yours?
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I mean, I'm just going to say ocean.
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I mean, like I don't, the places I've been mostly is like Florida, but sunset on the ocean
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is awesome.
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I mean, I'm definitely more of a mountain like destination kind of guy, but I can't
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think of the one, one place, right?
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Okay.
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So I'll combine mountains and ocean here.
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So the Fjordlands, which are the north and south island of New Zealand.
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So when you're going from one to the other, or maybe it's the south of the south island
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on the way to Australia, I just forgot.
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I think it's the south of the south island.
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So imagine the Rocky Mountains coming out of the ocean.
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That's what the Fjordlands are like.
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So guys, if y'all ever get an opportunity to cruise New Zealand, it is absolutely stunning.
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And I remember, I remember it being there because I thought my ears were going to break
14:16
off because it was so cold and windy that was the area that we were going through that
14:20
all I wanted was like a beanie and couldn't find one, but there's waterfalls and you can
14:24
go through their own kayaks as well.
14:26
And so because, you know, there's not like ocean waves like knocking you around because
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of all the, like the, you know, the rock formations that are coming out of there.
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But yeah, I would say the Fjordlands south of the south island of New Zealand.
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That would be mine.
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Is that where they filmed the Lord of the Rings?
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They filmed it in New Zealand, but I didn't watch, I watched the first one and then half
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the second one because I was so bored.
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Caleb's like, yeah, they did.
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You watch it.
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Lord of the Rings?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Everybody did.
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Not Kyle.
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I actually fell asleep halfway through the second one.
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I was like, I'm not.
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This is so stupid.
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It's like a damn elf's running around with a stupid ring.
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It's like, we know you're going to throw the ring in the volcano.
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You frickin' nerd.
15:04
You also didn't like the Kevin Costner Western that I told you to watch it.
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You said was terrible.
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Open range.
15:09
You were so wrong about that.
15:10
Oh my God.
15:11
That's what it is.
15:12
We talked about like best Westerns, not hotels like what last week or the week before.
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That is up there with one of the worst dog crap Westerns I've ever watched in my entire
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life.
15:22
We're open range was hot garbage.
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Wrong.
15:24
It's terrible.
15:25
So bad.
15:26
Terrible.
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Okay.
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What?
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I'm with Kyle on this one.
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Oh, no.
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It's so bad.
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You both suck.
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I mean, you compare it to dances with wolves, it sucks.
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I'm not a Kevin Costner fan, so that probably like, you know, kind of ruins it.
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Do you like his baseball movies?
15:41
I hate all of you.
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Pass.
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I just still love the guy.
15:44
How do you not like Kevin Costner?
15:45
I mean, don't hate.
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Are you?
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You're supposed to be an American, man.
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Hey, you know what?
15:49
Chill out, Cologne.
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I can like smell the badness of your arguments from the other side of the table.
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Not this moment.
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Hey, you have to give us.
15:56
You have to give us where the most beautiful thing.
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Where's the most beautiful thing?
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Has it been a wilderness?
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Yes.
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You saw a little boy like come on.
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Have you ever been out in the wilderness?
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Did you ever get a little dirty, a little bit caliced up and then you saw something beautiful?
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Soft little boy.
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Lincoln County.
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Lincoln County, Oklahoma.
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That's right.
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That was a beautiful area.
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Very beautiful.
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I slept in a queen sized bunk bed, though.
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You did.
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No.
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Man, like for me, it's like the Piazza Square in Italy, but that's not the wilderness, man.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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It's so easy to like understand the parameters.
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I know the parameters, it's just not clean.
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While he's thinking, I haven't, so I went to, I was in the Gulf of Finland, I believe
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it was.
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St. Petersburg, Russia.
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That was amazing.
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That was amazing.
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Okay.
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So we're like, it's the big mansion, St. Petersburg, whatever.
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I can't remember as behind us and then the Gulf of Finland is right in front.
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It was amazing.
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This is an ignorant question, but is there cold there at all times like there's ice and
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snow or no?
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No.
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I mean, I was there in the summer.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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You know, 60.
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Okay.
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So very cool.
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I would imagine it's very cold in the winter.
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Ryan, give us some, just make up a place.
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I don't even care if you've been there at this point, like just say somewhere that's
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not in a city.
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So I was in the moon and you're inside the moon like this.
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Yeah.
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Like we drilled in there.
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We drilled in there.
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Bruce Willis style.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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So I was bent out.
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Hey, hey, you got some against Bruce Willis?
17:13
Caleb.
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Good actor.
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Good actor.
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Don't talk about Bruce.
17:17
My wife and I, during our honeymoon, we went to the big island in Hawaii and we were ready
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to jeep and we went like looked at waterfalls and stuff like that went to volcanoes, but
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there's one waterfall that was really nice.
17:29
Like we were out there and it felt like you were like in Jurassic Park and beautiful waterfall.
17:34
So was that so freaking hard, man?
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No, but it wasn't like it wasn't that breathtaking, like sitting there drinking some table line
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at the Piazza and reading a book and watching people.
17:44
You just want to take this entire episode off because we're all going to be reminiscing
17:47
about these beautiful things that God created as opposed to these things that dorky like
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human chimps made.
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God gave them the ideas to make.
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Okay.
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All right.
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We need to get to the scripture for us.
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We lose my mind.
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Adam, if you would read Psalm 63 and then we'll dig in Psalm 63.
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You God are my God earnestly.
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I seek you.
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I thirst for you.
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My whole being long, my whole being longs for you in a dry and parched land where there
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is no water.
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I have seen you in the sanctuary and beheld your power and your glory because your love
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is better than life.
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My lips will glorify you.
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I will praise you as long as I live and in your name, I will lift up my hands.
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I will be fully satisfied as with the richest of foods with singing lips.
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My mouth will praise you on my bed.
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I remember you.
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I think of you through the watches of the night because you are my help.
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I sing in the shadow of your wings.
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I cling to you, your right hand upholds me.
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Those who want to kill me will be destroyed.
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They will go down to the depths of the earth.
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They will be given over to the sword and become food for jackals, but the king will rejoice
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in God.
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All who swear by God will glory in him while the mouths of liars will be silenced.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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And what version of the Bible is this?
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This is an IV.
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An IV.
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Okay.
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Going back to verse one.
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Oh God, you are my God earnestly.
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I seek you.
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My soul thirst for you.
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We've talked about this, at least tangentially in the last couple of weeks, but how often
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do you feel like your soul is thirsting for God?
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Because we talked about scenarios that were bad, you know, Valley of the shadow of the
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death, like really, really bad times for us.
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And that's when our soul thirst for God.
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But it's like, what about when things are going well?
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Like are you thirsting for God when you're well fed, well slept?
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You had sex recently, your jobs going well, like all these things are going your way.
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You're walking on sunshine and you're just having like a great time with your life.
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Are we thirsting?
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Because I'll just be straight up honest about me.
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No, I'm not because I'm fulfilled in all of these earthly, you know, fleshy things,
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if you will.
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I think something that might be relevant would be, let's talk about where David was when
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he was writing this.
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It says he was in the desert of Judah.
19:59
Well, what had just happened?
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He was escaping his son, Absalom, right?
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So David's first son, Abnon, Abnon, am I saying that right?
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Abnon?
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Absalom was his first son.
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No, Amnon was his first son because I think and then Absalom and Tamar were brother and
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sister and Absalom and Tamar were from another mother and Amnon was David's first son.
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Okay.
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So what I believe happened was Amnon, he raped Tamar, right?
20:36
And obviously that [inaudible] off Absalom and David does nothing about it.
20:40
Well, what does that sound like?
20:41
David goes and sleeps with Bathsheba and has a man killed, right?
20:45
So years later, Absalom decides I'm going to go kill Amnon and that's what happens, kills
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David's first son.
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Absalom then revolts against David and David has to flee.
20:56
David flees the city.
20:57
So multiple layers of sin here, David obviously had a man killed so he could sleep with Bathsheba.
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Then his son, his own son sleeps and rapes his sister, half sister.
21:10
And then David's other son kills David's other brother forces David to go into exile.
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So all of those horrible, terrible things are happening.
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And then David goes into the wilderness and now he's writing the song.
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That's crazy.
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And it's really an incredible part of the Psalm is that that's when he's writing this, right?
21:29
So yeah, he's absolutely in the depths of despair really at this point.
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And I mean, I should know about you guys, but that's the one thing I notice here is even
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though he's lamenting and having some negative things, like do we still thirst for God when
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things are going positive?
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I know you bring up a good point because every time you read one of these Psalms, he's lamenting
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because he's going through something tough, you know, and it's like, have I ever, like
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it made me think, have I ever, like, was I ever seeking God when things were good?
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Do we only seek him when it's bad?
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And it's like, I think I seek him more when things aren't going good because he's not
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needed when things are going good, you know, but we should thirst for him and pant for
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him.
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I mean, it's not there's no doubt when things are good, that's not on my mind.
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Yeah.
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It's I mean, I think there's a bit of a difference, meaning just like for me personally, like
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I'll seek him almost more out of obedience, right, more out of like, I know this is what
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I need to do.
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So I'm going to do it when things are good.
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And then when things are bad, that's where I would say I'm thirsting, right?
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That's where you just realize like, there's nothing I can do here.
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I mean, my default is always to go to like, I can solve this problem, right?
22:43
But then when you realize you can't, then it's like, okay, that's when I'm really thirsting.
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But the other thing to look at too is if my seeking, you know, John MacArthur brings
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up, you know, that he's seeking counsel.
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So I can tell you there's times where I'm going through life that just going through
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life itself that I seek God's counsel, but I don't feel like we seek him or we pour out
23:02
to him as much as if we're thirsting for him going through turmoil, then we are just trying
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to seek everyday counsel.
23:08
Just think about it, like when you're hydrated, you're not thinking about being dehydrated
23:15
because you're not dehydrated, but when you are legitimately dehydrated and you're not
23:19
near, you know, water or some sort of hydration drink or something like that, like that's,
23:24
that's rough.
23:25
And it's like, I don't know if any of y'all have ever been in like in a scary dehydration
23:29
scenario.
23:30
I haven't, I've been pretty lucky to make sure I have all my materials when I need to.
23:35
But man, when you're dehydrated, it's hard to think about anything else other than getting,
23:40
getting some hydration.
23:41
And I mean, I don't know if you've been in some situations like we'll go ahead, go
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ahead.
23:44
You were there.
23:45
You were going down the mountain with me when we were hunting elk and I took you down the
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mountain late at night and it was dark and you started crying in the fetal position.
23:53
You don't remember this?
23:54
And you were like, Adam, Adam, I'm out of water.
23:56
I mean, I wasn't out of water.
23:57
You said you were out of water and you were worried.
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I was probably facing it.
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Was he blubbering?
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Yes.
24:02
I didn't tell you that so you could throw him back on my face later, cologne man.
24:05
I was enjoying this beautiful landscape and this lesson that we were about to learn about
24:09
walking through bear country and making sure that we were trying to be careful and enjoying
24:13
God's creation and Kyle's over here in the fetal position crying because he's out of
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water.
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Literally none of that happened.
24:19
And he's having to go through brush and it's a little scary.
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No.
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Yes.
24:23
It was true.
24:24
It was sketchy.
24:25
There was no fetal position.
24:26
There was no crying.
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And I had water and I had jocko hydration packets.
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Okay.
24:29
So boom, roasted.
24:30
I had all that type of stuff.
24:31
It was the bottom of there.
24:32
I was pretty wiped out.
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Yeah.
24:34
Like the next day.
24:35
When you get mad, you get quiet.
24:36
You stop talking.
24:37
That's actually very true.
24:38
Or the exact opposite where it's like, it's like, I got like, let's, let's, let's, let's
24:43
be quiet now.
24:44
But yeah, that, that would have been another time where it's like, you're so gassed and
24:47
then you get down to the bottom and then like, it was still kind of like a dramatic trip.
24:50
We had a lot of trips up and down the mountain that were not fruitful.
24:53
And so it's like, you're physically exhausted.
24:56
You've been walking around all day like when you're doing mountain hunting, you can't eat
25:00
enough calories.
25:01
You could eat concrete and you would still like be hungry by the time you get back to
25:04
camp.
25:05
But, you know, everybody's doing better, you know, whatever.
25:07
Somebody's got something down.
25:08
And at that point, it's like the last second to last night or something like that, no one
25:12
had gotten anything down that we were going to be able to keep and take home with us.
25:15
And so that was not a good situation.
25:17
But for the record guys, no, I was not in tears.
25:19
Adam is a liar.
25:20
And if you take anything he says seriously for the next 25 to 35 minutes, that's on you.
25:24
I don't know what to tell you.
25:25
But here's a cool thing about verse two.
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So verse two, so I have looked upon you in the sanctuary by holding your power and your
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glory.
25:34
When I was reading that in preparation for this, we were having a bunch of tornadoes here
25:39
in this area in Oklahoma.
25:41
And you know, by the time you guys are listening to this, we will probably be out of our normal
25:45
like season, but we had the town of sulfur, Oklahoma, which was basically completely destroyed
25:51
by tornado.
25:52
There was another one.
25:53
I can't remember the name of it.
25:54
I had never heard of the name of the town before that got completely destroyed directly
25:58
hit.
25:59
And this was in the middle of the night.
26:00
And natural disasters and landscapes, I can never feel more powerless or more small.
26:10
So so when you're when you're looking at a tornado or hurricane or some sort of a natural
26:15
disaster and you realize there's nothing I could have done, like my my electric vehicle
26:20
could not have stopped, you know, the global warming that caused this hurricane or whatever
26:24
people believe or something like that.
26:26
But then also when you see that landscape.
26:28
So for for Ryan, it's like when he's at Dillard's and he sees all the coal and it's that beautiful
26:33
landscape.
26:34
And then for Adam, it's, you know, when he's at the top of a mountain, actually about to
26:37
kill an animal or something like that.
26:39
But like you see that moment and you're just like, gosh, I'm so small and so pathetic.
26:45
Look at what I'm seeing right now.
26:46
So that's the thing.
26:47
It was very appropriate because there was just there was a lot of suffering happening
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in Oklahoma around the time I was studying this 63rd Psalm because of natural disasters.
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I looked at that versus so I've looked upon you in my sanctuary, beholding your power
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and glory.
27:02
When they would back in the day, go by and worship God.
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They did it within the temple where the the arc was and that was the sanctuary around that
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area.
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And that's where they would worship.
27:15
Because of Christ the sanctuary is within us.
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And so now we can, you know, we have a direct line to God.
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So we're able to worship and behold his power with internally.
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Absolutely.
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All right.
27:28
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I wanted to talk about verses three and four.
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So because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you.
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So I will bless you as long as I live in your name, I will lift up my hands.
28:24
And so in verse three, when it's talking about your steadfast love is better than life.
28:30
I don't know that we live that way.
28:32
I just flat out like I'm not exactly going out on a limb here, but you've heard me say
28:35
before, why do people not read the Bible?
28:37
It's because they don't actually believe it's the word of God.
28:40
Because if you did, if you honestly believe the creator God of the cosmos wrote a book
28:46
through man to give to us, we would read it.
28:49
We would study it.
28:50
We would study it in groups.
28:51
We would do everything we could to squeeze out as much meaning from these pages as possible.
28:56
But we just flat out don't do it.
28:58
But in the same moment, I don't think that even many Christians think that the steadfast
29:02
love of God is better than life, especially, you know, in communities of affluence where
29:07
you have a lot of people like, man, they've got jet skis and they go on vacations and they've
29:11
got toys and they've got, you know, cars that they just drive around on the weekends, you
29:14
know, like, you know, just stuff like that.
29:17
It's kind of hard to, you know, when you're not praying, give us a stare daily bread.
29:21
It's kind of hard to look at your life and be like, man, God's steadfast love is better
29:25
than this.
29:26
You know what I mean?
29:27
Well, we got to look at that.
29:28
I think there was a message I think Piper had like a sermon, John Piper had in regards
29:31
to this verse and just pointed out how David wanted God more than life itself.
29:37
And like we're talking about King David, like he had everything, basically, and he still
29:41
wanted God more than life itself.
29:44
And like you bring up a good point, like we're going through life and we like all these expenditures
29:49
that life gives us like cologne, you know, or exactly, which is what everyone thought
29:53
of immediately when I was talking about that expensive cologne, expensive colognes or deer
29:58
meat.
29:59
You know, I don't know or bad sushi.
30:01
So we've covered all the bases at the table, but no, but like, you know, Piper, Piper talked
30:06
about food, friendship, sexual relations, all that stuff.
30:09
Like we put all these things up on a pedestal more than we put God and David who has everything
30:15
at this.
30:16
At this point, he doesn't have everything.
30:17
He's lost everything, but he's had everything and he still wants to put God first.
30:22
And so I think that's something that that you really see within the steadfast love is
30:26
better than life.
30:27
I wonder how much time has transpired from what I kind of set this up of with his sons
30:31
and his daughter with the rape, getting raped and then he gets exiled and he's gone.
30:37
How much time has transpired until he got to this thought?
30:40
Because for me, if I had gone through that and my first son had just been murdered by
30:44
my other son, one of my daughters had been raped.
30:46
And then my son kicks me out of my palace.
30:50
Verse four is not what I'm going to be thinking of first, you know, maybe at some point, but
30:54
not right out of the gate, you know, I will praise you as long as I live and in your name,
30:58
I will lift you up in my hands right after my son has been murdered.
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My daughter has been raped and my other son kicked me out of my palace.
31:05
That's pretty incredible.
31:06
Right.
31:07
The level.
31:08
Yeah.
31:09
I mean, considering the whole situation, like the level of adoration that he shows, I mean,
31:12
like if I think about, you know, you look at Psalms as kind of, I mean, it's a lot of
31:15
prayers, right?
31:16
And kind of a model for prayer and the way that I pray, unfortunately, like it seems
31:21
to me like that's the one that I struggle with the most is like just, you know, heaping
31:26
the adoration onto God when I pray, but this is like, he's just flowing, you know, I mean,
31:32
it's just so much that it's, it stands out and especially considering the situation you're
31:37
talking about.
31:38
I also wanted to throw out there.
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So maybe this isn't like important enough to talk about, but I, people do honestly get
31:44
consternation about this.
31:45
So the end of verse four in your name, I will lift up my hands.
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So lifting your hands during worship.
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Okay.
31:52
So the church that we all go to, not real hand lifting, right?
31:56
It's pretty, it's pretty down the, down the fairway in terms of the worship, like it's
32:00
not going to blow your socks off, but it's not terrible either.
32:03
Not real hand waving, no tambourines, like none of no people running up and down the
32:07
aisles, right?
32:08
If that's your thing, that's your thing.
32:09
I'd, you know, whatever, but I will say for me personally, hand raising during worship
32:14
has always felt strange to me, not for anybody else to do it, for me to do it.
32:19
It almost always felt performative for me.
32:22
I remember being at, oh goodness, there was a church camp out in New Mexico.
32:29
I can't remember the name of it anyway, but it was like a college camp, but like you got
32:32
to go if you were in like high school too, as well.
32:34
And so we went out to it and Charlie Hall was a big deal at the time and he was doing worship
32:40
every night.
32:41
And so he, Charlie Hall has a song called Sweet Me Away, which is just, you know, a tremendous
32:46
like it's a, it's a power ballad, you know, of a worship song.
32:50
And I remember thinking, okay, he's going to be playing every night for five nights while
32:54
we're, while we're here at this thing.
32:56
And so, you know, when he plays Sweet Me Away, that's when I'm going to lift my hands, right?
33:00
And I remember he played Sweet Me Away and I like closed my eyes and lifted my hands
33:03
and it's like I wanted to feel what all these people had been feeling, apparently the entire
33:07
time and the entire thing just felt very strange to me.
33:10
I felt like I was performing for the people around me to show them how much I liked the
33:14
song as opposed to praising the God of universe.
33:17
So I don't know what it's like for you guys because like, I don't, I'm not critical of
33:20
people that raised their hands during worship.
33:22
Like if that's what they honestly feel that they should be doing and that's how they get
33:25
closer to God and all that.
33:26
Like, dude, I'm all for it.
33:27
Do it.
33:28
And some people come from a background in a tradition where there's a ton of that, but
33:31
then like if you come from a incredibly conservative tradition or no tradition of church at all,
33:36
the hand waving and all the, all the jumping up and down just kind of seems funny.
33:40
Ron and I are pretty similar in this because we both were raised in charismatic churches.
33:44
So that's very normal.
33:45
You know, I was used to seeing the hand raising.
33:47
I raised my hands and all of the things that go with that was just felt normal.
33:51
But every time I brought a friend or something, it felt they were like all said in a war,
33:55
aware of it.
33:56
Yeah.
33:57
That's pretty, it's pretty tame compared to when they start speaking in tongues and your
33:59
friends and all that too.
34:00
But I mean, when David's talking about lifting his hands, you know, to give a little historical
34:06
background when they lifted up their hands, they was in the sent to the prayer to God.
34:10
And then it was also they left their hands up to receive whatever God was going to receive.
34:14
So it was more of a, what do you want to call it?
34:16
Like a traditional thing.
34:18
It wasn't more of like what we kind of grew up with of being like a spiritual charismatic
34:22
thing.
34:24
So are you, are only good Christians the one that raised their hands during worship?
34:28
Because I've been told by a worship leader in Oakland city that I'm probably not saved
34:31
because I don't like contemporary Christian music.
34:33
And so if he ever saw me not raising my hands in worship, he was probably thinking that
34:38
I'm also worshiping the devil for real.
34:40
The fact 100% for wear an affliction shirt and skinny jeans and white shoes and spiky
34:47
hair.
34:48
No, literally I'm having lunch with this guy.
34:49
And you know, I was just kind of casually talking about, yeah, I'm, because he is a worship
34:52
leader and he goes to a church that's not, I don't know that it would be charismatic,
34:55
but it's more charismatic than faith Bible in edman, Oklahoma.
34:58
And like I was just like, yeah, I mean, I just can't, I just don't really like any of
35:01
that music.
35:02
Like the sound it makes when it hits my ear, right?
35:04
And when it attaches to thoughts in my brain, I just don't like it.
35:07
And he, no kidding, like looked at me and said, man, I'm not sure you're saved.
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That's how you really feel.
35:12
I thought he was kidding.
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Right.
35:14
I thought he was kidding.
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So I just started laughing.
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And he looked at me like with this really concerned looking on his face, I'm like, Oh,
35:18
are you serious?
35:19
You're getting judged by a guy and I was like, Hey, bro, I don't think you are qualified
35:24
to make that judgment as to whether or not I have put my faith in, in Christ for the
35:29
payment of my sin debt.
35:30
Because I think Hillsong sucks.
35:32
It's like really?
35:33
Like, what is wrong with you?
35:34
Be like, it's called a sermon, bro.
35:36
Like good.
35:37
Contemporary Christian music is like, I'm sorry, I don't want to dog on it.
35:41
But like, dude, it's so like theologically bad.
35:45
It can be.
35:46
It can be there.
35:47
Not awesome.
35:48
There's Shane and Shane.
35:49
Right.
35:50
There's Shane and Shane.
35:51
And there's.
35:52
And then is that where the list ends?
35:53
Okay.
35:54
So here's my list.
35:55
It's Shane and Shane, Phil Wickham and the ultra music.
35:59
And so Phil Wickham does kind of get way into the pop space.
36:02
It's real Cynthia and all those types of things.
36:04
But I've heard I have it on good authority that he will write lyrics and then submit those
36:08
lyrics to theologians and to make sure, Hey, this makes sense to my artistic brain.
36:14
But I know I'm more artistic and I don't want to, you know, say something like God's love
36:18
is reckless or something like that.
36:19
I'm sure the list is longer than that.
36:21
Probably not.
36:22
What about DC?
36:23
What about DC talk?
36:24
Newsboys.
36:25
Kevin Max.
36:26
Carmen.
36:27
Carmen.
36:28
There we go.
36:29
You don't know who Carmen is?
36:30
Like he's the original white rapper.
36:31
You don't know who that is.
36:33
I became a Christian in like 2000 and like, you don't question Eminem, dude.
36:39
Look him up.
36:40
Look at us.
36:41
I can't listen.
36:42
I can't do it.
36:43
There's no names.
36:44
No, they're hilarious.
36:45
No, we're not.
36:46
We're not doing this.
36:47
We're on the same time.
36:48
Carmen's fire.
36:49
Dude, Carmen's legit.
36:50
He had the legit music.
36:51
See, I went straight from Christian right into Christian metal.
36:54
And so it's like I skipped like I don't like I had heard of newsboys and DC talk and
36:58
Jesus freaking all this stuff, but like I never like listened to it.
37:01
I go wasn't ever in my will house.
37:03
I will say like Toby Mac is legit.
37:04
Like that guy practices what he preaches and like, I just watched an interview with him
37:09
about the death of his son and like, he said something where he was like, man, he goes,
37:14
I was so hurt when it comes to what happened.
37:17
And I like, he's like, I just told God I'm going to give him another chance.
37:21
He goes, that sounds really sacrilegious.
37:22
I know it does.
37:23
Like he's.
37:24
He was just being honest and he goes, man, he was so kind.
37:28
He was so kind.
37:29
And I'm like, dude, my heart like my heart breaks for Toby Mac because like his heart
37:33
is real.
37:34
And like that's the thing about DC talk like I do my heart breaks for Kevin Max because
37:38
that guy is an ex vangelical who's gone off the deep end, but you still got guys like
37:43
Toby Mac and Michael Tate that are just still killing it out there.
37:46
So let's go back to Carmen.
37:47
So he's like, he's just this fire rapper, this fire Christian rapper white guy.
37:52
I listened to his music in 25 years, but he's like spoken word.
37:56
I would.
37:57
But like we joke that he was like the first Christian rapper.
37:59
Okay.
38:00
This is good.
38:01
Look it up.
38:02
More theologically astute than LaCray doesn't take much.
38:04
I'll just say that.
38:05
Yeah.
38:06
Take a whole lot, but I think he actually didn't do communion with a piece of bread and apple
38:09
juice.
38:10
So okay.
38:11
Thank we're good.
38:12
Very good.
38:13
Well, okay.
38:14
Now that we've got, we've opened this up.
38:15
We can always, you know, to go back from this, but like, are there any other groups that
38:18
you know of or because I get asked about worship music all the time because it's like, Hey,
38:21
I can give you a bunch of metal bands, but some of these metal band guys have deconstructed
38:25
or never were Christians to begin with or something like that.
38:27
So it's just like any other genre.
38:29
But again, for me, it's like the music I can listen to without problems are the chain and
38:34
chain original.
38:35
So when they cover, they've covered a million different worship songs, but like all their
38:39
originals that they write, the Phil Wickham stuff that he writes.
38:41
And then the altar music, which is Mattie Montgomery's church, they, they've got a couple, they've
38:46
got an album and a couple of singles worth of stuff out there, but it's just like dripping
38:49
in theology.
38:50
What do you think about third day?
38:52
Uh, never listened to them.
38:54
I heard of them, but that's the MacPow guy.
38:56
Yeah.
38:57
That the guy.
38:58
Yeah.
38:59
Okay.
39:00
Third day is good.
39:01
Um, sovereign grace is a good one.
39:02
Um, the Getty's.
39:03
I don't know if they're, they're, you're looking for more metal.
39:05
No, I'm looking for whatever, because I don't care what type of genre, so it could be hip
39:09
hop.
39:10
It could be like country guy.
39:11
I don't, I don't care.
39:12
I'm trying to because I think the altar music's like bluegrass.
39:14
I mean, I like, uh, uh, what's Kerry Job's husband's name?
39:18
Cody Carnes.
39:19
No.
39:20
No.
39:21
Cody Carnes.
39:22
Mr. Joe.
39:23
Uh, no.
39:24
Uh, Cody Carnes has got some pretty legit stuff.
39:25
Um, even his stuff that he did with verdicts church, the blessing, like pretty legit song,
39:30
even verdicts church, their, their worship is more theologically sound than his preaching.
39:35
Oh, uh, I don't know, I don't know much about much of his music, but Brandon Lake seems
39:39
to be like, uh, cause he's done some stuff with, with elevations worship thing that that
39:44
dude can like sing his butt off.
39:46
I mean, I don't know by, I agree with like, so I got convicted, listening to ask a pastor
39:51
with Joby when he asked him my question about CCM and jazz and with, uh, Shane and chain
39:58
thing.
39:59
And I was like, man, as long as the music is theologically correct, great.
40:03
And I love the fact that he'll go through and he'll look at it or his team will look
40:05
at it.
40:06
And there's something that's not theologically correct.
40:08
They've changed it.
40:09
Yeah.
40:10
And it's like that's freaking awesome.
40:11
Like that is shepherding and discipleship.
40:13
Yeah.
40:14
So there's, there's probably a lot of Christian artists too that are like, it's milk, right?
40:19
I mean, it may not be like the most robust, you know, sermon you've ever heard, but it
40:25
doesn't mean there are heretics, right?
40:27
No, but when you have the milk though, like what's her name that's really popular right
40:31
now?
40:32
Taylor Swift.
40:33
No, not Taylor Swift.
40:34
I just thought you know, since you went to her concerts and I had to do that for work, had
40:37
to do it.
40:38
Had to do it.
40:39
I had to do it.
40:40
What kind of cologne did you wear to that concert?
40:41
Oh man.
40:42
Curve.
40:43
I was, I can't remember.
40:45
He would lower himself to wearing $50 cologne, but anyway, I do, I wear, I wear $50 cologne
40:50
too.
40:51
We were not opening up the cologne thing again.
40:53
We got to go back.
40:54
Yeah, no, but, but the thing is like, what's, what's the girl that's contemporary Christian
40:58
music's like golden child right now?
41:00
Anyone?
41:01
Anyone?
41:02
Anyone?
41:03
Let's see.
41:04
Do a ton of Christian music.
41:05
But like everybody listens to her music and they all talk about it, but then she's asked
41:10
the tough questions and like about like homosexuality and marriage.
41:15
And she's like, well, I don't know.
41:16
I don't know what the Bible says on that.
41:17
Like, yeah, like, and like this is the people that you're bringing up into the CCM industry.
41:23
And then they're, they're like, they can't, they can't do the hard stuff, you know?
41:27
And it's just like, that's what, that's where we like, oh man, what was the, I mean, I think
41:33
that's a lot.
41:34
That's fair, a lot more fair to kind of criticize that.
41:37
Yeah.
41:38
And in my opinion, there are lyrics of like, because it could be relevant to wherever they
41:45
are in their walk.
41:46
You know what I'm saying?
41:47
Like it doesn't necessarily have to be.
41:49
I mean, not that it's, it can't be false, like false teaching, of course, but it's not
41:55
going to be as robust of a song is like chain of chain.
41:58
It's just not.
41:59
I mean, when you're in the pub, when you're in the pub, I like that, do you have to always
42:02
applying on that kind of issue?
42:03
You know, it seems like we're coming down on her because she didn't give her, her opinion
42:09
on that issue.
42:10
And maybe she has an opinion and maybe it is theologically sound, but maybe she also knows.
42:14
She flat out said, I don't, I don't know what the Bible says.
42:17
Like that's not my Bible.
42:18
It's Lauren Nagle.
42:19
That's who it is.
42:20
Okay.
42:21
Lauren Nagle.
42:22
Like she might.
42:23
And the thing is there's one thing about if she had offered up that opinion and nobody
42:25
was talking about it, but when you're asked a direct question and you give a response like
42:29
that, it's like, come on, but you obviously can understand when you're, when you're in
42:32
the public eye like that, there's certain things that you may or may not want to take
42:35
a position on for obvious financial reasons, right?
42:38
So my question, I'm throwing this out at the table.
42:41
Is it okay for her to just punt and say, I'm not going to discuss that.
42:46
Maybe that's not the way she answered it.
42:48
Yeah.
42:49
But is it okay for her to say that?
42:50
Or does she have to give her opinion because if she takes a side, she's going to be potentially
42:55
financially hurt.
42:57
She's in the industry.
42:58
Like what financial, yeah, you're going to lose.
43:01
You're going to lose a secular crowd, but it's going to be an impact for sure.
43:08
If you're saying like, I don't know what the Bible teaches on, you know, the third and
43:11
fourth and fifth genders, like, come on.
43:14
You know what I mean?
43:15
Yeah.
43:16
It was such a softball question.
43:17
So it's like, so I go back to when Carl Lynch was on the view and he was asked about, he
43:22
was asked about gay marriage.
43:24
So it was the view and he did interview with Katie Kirk all around the same time.
43:27
So he was asked about abortion and he was asked about gay marriage and he refused to say that
43:30
abortion was a sin and that it was a murder and he refused to even address the gay marriage
43:34
issue.
43:35
He just said, you know what, you know, I just, I would want to sit down with those couples
43:38
and I would want to hear about their story.
43:40
And you know, like, you know, there's certain things that are cut and dry and then there's
43:43
other things that just come down to people's stories.
43:45
And it was, he got claps from all the dumb seals in the crowd at the view, but it's like,
43:50
how hard is it to be like, yeah, the Bible is actually pretty clear that we're not, we're
43:54
not supposed to kill innocent human beings and, you know, what's growing inside of the
43:57
womb of a woman as an innocent human being, like, by any measure and by.
44:01
So that's the thing is to where it's like, no, you don't need to be giving a, you know,
44:06
you don't need to be giving a sermon on a particular scripture that's maybe hard to
44:09
understand, but on these softball issues, it's just like, all you have to do is smack
44:13
the ball.
44:14
Like just do it.
44:15
Now, obviously I think Ryan actually makes a very astute point to where it's like the
44:18
crowd you're going to lose is the squishy Christian crowd and the secular crowd, because
44:22
a lot of these people when they, when they move kind of be on CCM, so like the cray kind
44:27
of got bigger than Christian rap there for a little bit.
44:29
And, you know, this, this gal, like they always talk about crossover success.
44:33
Wasn't it so interesting when they cross over, they talk about the cross, the gospel
44:37
and Jesus, a whole heck of a lot less and the power of God, it becomes like when people
44:41
get a Grammy and like, I just want to thank God, they never say Jesus though, like, because
44:45
the name of Jesus starts separating people into categories where if you say God, it's
44:48
like, yeah, whatever God means to you, you know what I mean?
44:50
But when it comes to her, like, everybody was upset, she went on on to generous this
44:53
show.
44:54
Like, I wasn't one of those people that would be upset.
44:56
Like, I kind of am in the camp like, hey, if you can go on a secular show and you can
45:00
sing worship music to somebody who may be, you know, leaving living a sinful lifestyle,
45:05
by all means go do it.
45:06
100%.
45:07
But she was asked the question, do you think homosexuality is a sin and she would not say
45:11
it was sin.
45:12
Well, that's the thing in one of those moments, like, I, so what I train people to do on the
45:15
pro-life issue is it's like, stop saying that I believe life begins a conception.
45:21
Because when you say that, you are seeding ground to the middle right from the beginning
45:25
because it makes it sound like your position is an opinion.
45:28
It's like, it's not, I think life begins a conception, it's that we know that life begins
45:32
a conception because if we can't start from a foundation of truth, the amount of fruit
45:36
that's going to come from this conversation is going to be incredibly minuscule if exist
45:40
in it all.
45:41
And the same thing in a situation like that to where it's like, well, you know, it's
45:44
not, it's not my opinion.
45:45
Right.
45:46
So you might get mad at the vessel for giving you the message of the messenger, but it's
45:50
like, obviously this is an abominable thing and if culture were to follow the dictates
45:54
of that lifestyle, culture would seek to exist.
45:57
So if you look at it sociologically, human civilization would go to crap if everybody
46:02
became homosexual.
46:03
Right.
46:04
So boom, there's your sociological data, but then we can go back and appeal to the word
46:08
of God and say like, this is not what we have for you.
46:10
Like it's, this does not lead to human flourishing.
46:13
Yeah. And so there's a way to say that where you don't come off sounding harsh and like
46:16
a jerk, but.
46:17
Right.
46:18
And if your worship music is so deep and so biblical, like you can honor, you could, she
46:21
could answer that question with, well, obviously the Bible says that, you know, homosexuality
46:25
is a sin and she could just leave it at that and move on, but she's not going to say that
46:30
because she wants to hit that secular crowd.
46:31
And I think it's easier not to defend, not to defend her, but I can't imagine if I was
46:36
in that position and I realized the words that I say and the impact that it could have
46:39
on me financially, it might be difficult to come out and say those kinds of things.
46:42
So I'm not defending her and I have no idea what her position is and I don't even know
46:46
who this person is we're talking about, but still in that position, in that chair, when
46:51
all of the eyes are, when all of the eyes are on you, and especially if she wasn't prepared
46:54
for that question, she wasn't prepared to answer that or go through it, I could imagine
46:57
it being difficult to.
46:58
But it's also like Joel seen on Larry King, like he was specifically asked, is believing
47:04
in Christ.
47:05
Yeah.
47:06
Is believing in Christ, the only way to heaven, he couldn't answer.
47:08
He's a pastor.
47:09
That was tough.
47:10
He's going to be in the contemporary Christian music industry.
47:14
You should know who and what you're seeing me about.
47:17
I mean, I think that got loud.
47:19
I'm sorry.
47:20
Too.
47:21
We can hear you.
47:22
We can hear you.
47:23
For someone to say.
47:24
Is he always saved?
47:25
Those are the questions you have to anticipate.
47:27
You have to pre-decide, you know, I mean, you just, I know you've probably thought about
47:31
this as a business owner, right, that you're like, if someone asked me where my business
47:35
stands on whatever, right, one, I think that's a hilarious question because I would just
47:40
be like, why don't you ask my business, why don't you ask it?
47:43
It's right here.
47:44
Yeah.
47:45
Just ask it.
47:46
Yeah.
47:47
You know, so that I think is dumb.
47:48
But those are the things that they're just so obvious that it's like, just decide, say
47:52
it with love.
47:53
I mean, because you can say the same thing.
47:54
Like you can say, I think it's super clear that the Bible says this about it, but I want
47:58
you to know that I love you.
48:00
Jesus loves you.
48:01
Like, say whatever you want to say after that and just speak truth.
48:05
Well, and also every time we're asked a direct question, unless we're kind of like a slimy
48:09
politician or a PR representative, we typically like to respond with as straightforward of
48:14
an answer as possible without splitting the baby.
48:17
But like there are opera, there are times in the gospels where we see what Jesus was
48:20
asked a direct question and he responded with what a question, right?
48:24
He would question them back.
48:25
And then when he would get a sense of we already knew what the heart was behind their original
48:29
question, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to answer your question.
48:32
And so like I've been there before.
48:34
So if someone's because again, because of what we do with the podcast and some of the
48:37
public statements I make about some very, very incendiary topics, every now and then you'll
48:41
get somebody that is obviously asking you a trap question.
48:44
And if you ask a question back to them, so if someone's like, you know, what about, you
48:49
know, if they just go straight to the jugular argument for abortion, well, what if it's
48:53
a 14 year old that was raped by her uncle?
48:56
And I'm like, and if you ask the question, you know, this is what Ben Shapiro did at a
48:59
thing, he's like, okay.
49:01
So if if I were willing to speak with you about what to do in that situation, would
49:04
you then stipulate that the 99 plus percent of other abortions that don't take place for
49:10
that purpose should be illegal and are inherently immoral?
49:13
Well, no, I don't see seed ground for that then it's like, well, then we're not going
49:17
to engage in this conversation right now because you're not coming into it with intellectual
49:20
honesty.
49:21
You were trying to trap me by saying I would torture a 14 year old girl and force her to
49:26
be pregnant in all those different situations.
49:28
It's like I'm not going to meet you on that battlefield because you're not asking the
49:32
question that's coming out of your face, you're asking another question.
49:35
And so there's a way to handle that as well where you're answering the question by saying
49:38
what you're doing right now is foolish and I'm not going to play your game.
49:41
And so you could do it that way.
49:43
She totally could have been like, what does the Bible say?
49:45
And let it at that, you know, because that's something Christ would have done.
49:48
He's like, well, what is it?
49:49
What does it?
49:50
Yeah.
49:51
And the person that asked her is, it's probably one of those people that's never read the
49:52
Bible, but says, I thought God is a God of love and that love is love.
49:56
And if somebody loves somebody that isn't that the ultimate ethic and it's like, where
49:59
did you get that idea?
50:00
That's not a biblical thing.
50:02
It's kind of like tolerance.
50:03
Tolerance is not a biblical ideology.
50:05
This idea that we're supposed to tolerate people's sin, that we're supposed to use pronoun
50:08
hospitality so that people that identify as the opposite sex or as a furry or something
50:12
like that so that they don't feel bad, it's like, well, guess what?
50:15
If one of y'all's kids comes over to my house and they claim to be a furry, I'm not going
50:19
to put their meal on the floor so that they can eat it or I am just to embarrass them.
50:23
It's like, hey, get out of your stupid cat, go eat your stupid food over there and go
50:26
crap in the sand in the corner.
50:28
Like, you know, at that point, just like make fun of the whole thing.
50:31
So don't bring your stupid furry kids to my house is what I'm saying.
50:33
If my kids are furry, I'm bringing it over to this house and you just shame him.
50:37
Just to see shame would be all over that kid.
50:40
Well, hey, we only got to maybe about 10 more minutes here.
50:42
So let's dig into these last couple of chunks here.
50:44
So versus five through eight, my soul will be satisfied as with fat and rich food and
50:49
my mouth will praise you with joyful lips.
50:52
And when I remember you upon my bed and meditate on you in the watches of the night for you
50:56
have been my help and in the shadow of your wings, I will sing for joy.
50:59
My soul clings to you.
51:01
Your right hand upholds me.
51:02
So there's a lot of good deep theological stuff, but I just want to point something out
51:04
here from the beginning when it says my soul will be satisfied with fat and rich food.
51:08
He's not talking about that stupid sound that you put in my refrigerator.
51:11
All right.
51:12
He does not mentioning veggies there.
51:13
He's mentioning prime rib.
51:14
That's what he's mentioning.
51:15
He's mentioning brisket.
51:16
He's mentioning filet wrapped in bacon.
51:19
That's what he's mentioning there.
51:20
I know.
51:21
So why in the world did you bring that nonsense to his house because it's fiber, man, I'm
51:24
trying to lose weight.
51:25
It also specifically says Turkey and not him.
51:28
Okay.
51:29
All right.
51:30
So who?
51:31
Okay.
51:32
Team Ham.
51:33
Raise your hand.
51:34
Team Ham.
51:35
Raise your hand.
51:36
We have two turkeys versus two hands.
51:37
You shouldn't know me.
51:38
He likes crappy sushi.
51:39
Hey, love your team Turkey over Team Ham.
51:40
I'm I'm done.
51:41
No, no, no, no.
51:42
No, he said he's torn.
51:43
He says torn.
51:44
Oh, come on.
51:45
So the reason I'm torn is because of my upbringing or we didn't eat.
51:49
You're abused.
51:50
Oh, so I want to eat for anyone that doesn't know Caleb used to be in a cold.
51:54
It was super awesome.
51:55
Go back to his first couple of appearances.
51:56
I didn't know you didn't eat.
51:58
So you followed the clean and unclean.
52:01
A lot was about 15.
52:02
We never ate anything.
52:04
No pork.
52:05
So now that's never heard about Peter's dream.
52:07
Did you?
52:08
No, they kept that away from you.
52:09
Rice, kill any baby, rise, kill any.
52:12
So I have to ask this now.
52:13
What was it like?
52:14
First time you had bacon.
52:15
What was that like?
52:16
It's the best.
52:17
Take us through it.
52:18
Yeah.
52:19
I mean, I pork all the time now like as much as possible.
52:20
Okay.
52:21
But.
52:22
Like when you're talking about like Thanksgiving ham, right?
52:26
Yeah.
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Versus a Thanksgiving turkey.
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Turkey.
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Yes.
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100%.
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Christmas.
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Christmas.
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Oh my gosh.
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It doesn't matter what the holidays.
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I have to have a turkey.
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No.
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You just created the smallest lane for a particular meal.
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Okay.
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So only on the Christmas table.
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No, this is not a hey Christmas ham versus Christmas turkey conversation.
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This is ham category versus turkey categories.
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He used Thanksgiving.
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No, he said Thanksgiving.
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If I'm going to get a sandwich-
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It's a ham sandwich.
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Of course.
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Obviously.
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We didn't say, we're talking about delicious meat.
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Just meat.
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Not meat in general.
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Yeah.
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It's turkey.
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So it's obviously ham.
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It's obviously ham.
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If you're talking about a sandwich.
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We didn't say sandwich.
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We're talking about-
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I'm not asking you.
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I also didn't say Thanksgiving either.
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We didn't say that either.
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We're talking about the whole category.
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The homes of Thanksgiving, I'll have to have a turkey.
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Like yeah.
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Everybody has a turkey on Thanksgiving.
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Yeah.
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But they do it out of obligation now because they like it.
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No.
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Funny story about that.
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So first, the first Thanksgiving I went to with Shannon, my wife, at their family, right?
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We go and we sit down, bless food, all that, and it's only white meat on the table.
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I've just leaned over to her.
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I'm like, where's the dark meat?
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She's like, what are you talking about?
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The dark meat.
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She's like, it's in the kitchen, like getting ready to get thrown away.
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I almost called it off.
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Oh, man.
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I'm just like, what?
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They just throw away the dark meat?
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No.
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They don't want it.
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No, I got up and went and got it.
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That's what their family does?
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Yes.
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They only eat the white?
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Yes.
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You know what you do in that situation?
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The czar.
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Is you get the turkey, the white meat turkey, and then you get two pieces of ham and you
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use that as the bread and you make like a sandwich, right?
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So like two pieces of awesome and one piece, one piece of nyeh?
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I could advocate for that.
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Okay.
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Bam.
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All right.
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So maybe next time I have you guys over, that will be our dinner, our lunch.
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Let's wrap up with verses nine through 11.
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Did you have something?
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It better be awesome, Ryan.
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I was just better.
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Be awesome.
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I just want to talk about meditation.
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Okay.
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Go.
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10 hours last week.
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Yep.
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So like always feel like anxiety hits me at night.
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Okay.
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Like I'm not saying evil spirits are coming at me, but like I always find myself meditating
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and praying like the Psalms are a real good, like a visual of God's attributes and I always
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find myself finding comfort in those hours like at night and through anxiety by like just
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praying and meditating on God in that.
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So like when they talked about, I will remember you upon bed and meditate on you.
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Like that's a really good practice.
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Just throw it out there.
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How often do we do that?
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I try to do it as much as I possibly can.
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You're better than all of us.
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No, I'm not better.
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I'm just like sounded like, god, leave me, I can never you just smell so good.
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It's like this so distracting by everything that you know, but like I can just imagine
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you sitting there like meditating like with your feet crossed and your hands out and just
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spraying yourself with two different kinds of cologne.
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Like that image is not going to get out of my brain now.
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Make it as well.
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You're naked in this fantasy as well.
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That's not good.
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That's not about me naked.
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That's not you're welcome.
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That's like forging table approach like thrown out the dark meat.
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That's right.
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But, but no, but but I'm trying to be real with that.
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Like, I mean, I didn't always do it in the past, but like I always found myself like
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man, I would get hit with anxiety at night and it would hit me constantly.
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And I noticed myself like I started reading a book about the Psalms and stuff.
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I just noticed myself meditating on the attributes of God.
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And it was just, it's like, man, I'm living scripture when I was reading this one.
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I was like, there's something I'm actually doing right sometimes, you know, and it's,
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it pays off.
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Absolutely.
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Well, let's just cover these last few verses nine through 11.
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But those who seek to destroy my life shall go down into the depths of the earth.
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They shall be given over to the power of the sword.
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They shall be a portion for the jackals, but the king shall rejoice in God.
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All who swear by him shall exalt for the mouths of liars will be stopped.
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So this is all talking about opposition here.
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And I just, I love the last line for the mouths of liars will be stopped because all of us,
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regardless of our business, whether we talk into a microphone for living or whether you're
56:23
sitting with clients or sitting with people that you're trying to sell to customers, you
56:27
might get people that just get to a point where they've got an axe to grind and they're
56:30
going to try to ruin your life.
56:31
And they're going to try to say stuff that just flat out isn't true or maybe it's not
56:34
true and they believe it is.
56:36
And so they're just going to spread this, you know, far and wide.
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And so I literally wrote down like this is, you know, we aren't going to stop the mouths
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of liars.
56:45
Right.
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That's not our job.
56:47
And so one of the things, one of the David Thompson isms was don't sweat the small stuff.
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I know he didn't make that up, but, you know, as a kid, you know, when you're full of anxiety
56:55
and, you know, wanting to get everything done and be the best and all that type of stuff.
56:59
Like you're constantly sweating the small stuff and I will let small stuff just absolutely
57:03
destroy me and like overtake my brain, but it's like, Hey man, control the controllables.
57:08
We can't control this.
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Why are you trying to?
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Isn't that so funny?
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Cause like there are things that we know we have no control over, but we will act like
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we do and we'll do inputs into the front of the system that are like trying to control.
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It's like, come on, man, you got no shot.
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I think you bring up a good point because like the note I ended on with that is God will
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be glorified in the end.
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And so I always think about, you know, like we're going through this whole Christian nationalism
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stuff.
57:32
We got what's that home boy that with a gun guy, Shane Clayborn, oh boy, we all want to
57:37
create this utopia and we got to realize that we're not going to be able to create
57:42
that.
57:43
We are not the people.
57:44
And in the end, God's going to be glorified and when he's glorified, he's bringing it himself.
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You're not bringing it.
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He is.
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And so I think that's something that I, you know, made me really convicted me in, in that,
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in that I can't, I can't do it all.
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You can't do it all.
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And you got to let him do it.
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And so in the end, he'll be glorified no matter what.
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Other thoughts as we wrap up the 63rd song, well guys, we're just going to have to leave
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it there.
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But come back here next week where we are going to be digging into one more song before we
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move on to something awesome, which we'll talk about next week.
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But go ahead and read Psalm 91, that's Psalm 91.
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