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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into
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it. Welcome back to the forging table. The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men
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to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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At the forging table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's word and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with
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us. That's Dagen. That's Eric. That is Matt Grassmeyer. And guys, we're going to be digging
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into it. Why did I say your last name and not anyone else's last name? Was it weird?
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I felt the weirdness. We're talking about Psalm 46. Luther wrote a song about it. He
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was German my last name. Can I restart? Hey, that's Dagen Boyd. That's Eric Browning. That's
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Matt Grassmeyer. I'm going to start using y'all's middle names if I can learn. Well, here's
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the thing. So we've gotten to Psalm 46. The name of the Psalm is God is our fortress to
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the choir master of the sons of Chora, according to Alimoth, a song. And so let's talk about
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the sons of Chora real quick. So just very, very quickly. Chora rebelled against Moses.
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Okay? Yep. But his sons did not. And so this is of the sons of Chora, which is just interesting
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on its face. But, you know, if you don't know that, it's not going to really stick out to you.
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But this is just like a quick little sidebar. The sins of the father do not define the sins of the
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son. Okay. So to all you people, all you generational sin people and all this other like soul ties
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and curses and all that just, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it. But the thing that I
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love about Psalm 46 is it is the source of the single greatest modern worship song of all time.
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And that is a song Lord of hosts by Shane and Shane. So major shout out to Shane and Shane.
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So Shane Bernard and Shane Everett, if you're listening to this right now,
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you wrote the single greatest worship song ever. Every time I've been in the same room while you've
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played it, put a brick wall in the middle of that room. I will run through it and set myself on fire.
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That is how I feel when I listen to that song. But also it is the source for Martin Luther's song
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of fortress is our God. And there's so much here with Psalm 46 guys. It's not, you know,
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it's, it's your favorite browning. So I'll tee you up here in a second. There's a lot here.
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But Psalm 46 alludes to Zion, the land of Zion, even though it is not named,
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it's kind of broken up in a few different ways, which is very interesting. So it's a song about
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the threats coming from nature, but also threat coming from from nations. And so the first three
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verses are threats coming from nature and then four through 11 are threats coming from the nations.
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And then there's also, you could break it up this way versus one through three is cosmic collapse.
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Versus four through seven are political turmoil. And then eight through 11 are divine intervention.
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So there's a lot of different ways to break up this song, which is relatively short. But Eric,
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I'm just curious for, for this one, I mean, it may just be the Shane and Shane song. But like,
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what is it about Psalm 46 that sticks out to you above the other 150 or 149?
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Sure. Yeah. I mean, I just, I put down really, despite all the injustice, all, all the wars,
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all the crap. God is going to vindicate. It's going to show himself. He's going to make things
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right. In the end, I was reminded of, I don't know if you saw this. In 1984, I watched the never
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ending story. You were alive and I was seven, as was a seven. Yep. And a couple more years to go.
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Oh, man. Yep. Well, I remember, you know, the never ending story. You got it. That's it. I'm with
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you. Oh, man. Strange new things brought that back to life. Oh, my goodness. Yes.
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I've never seen that show. Oh, gosh. Yeah. So it was, you know, the never ending story.
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You've got the nothing. You've got bastion. You've got to tray you. And then nothing was just
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making its way across. Basically that not the earth, whatever that place, the Fantasia, Fantasia,
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and just destroying it, you know, so the whole, the whole story, the whole movie is about trying
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to stop the nothing from annihilating everything. And in the very end, and I remember the first
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time I saw this, I was like, Oh, my goodness. The nothing appears to win. Here's the win. There's
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there's literally nothing but blackness, darkness until one of the fairy, I don't remember her name,
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whatever opens her hand. And there's just a spec, a spec left. And from that, then bastion was able
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to recreate everything. And I remember thinking, Oh, my gosh, this is amazing, you know, justice
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been served. So when I when I read that, that's kind of what comes to mind. I just kind of reminded
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that of that movie. Second thing I'm reminded of in a modern day, you know, we've got these cameras,
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we can put them around our house kind of surveillance, that sort of thing. I was imagining
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me. So we are just old enough now that we can, we can leave and go have dinner and our kids can
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be home. And the house doesn't get burned down. We feel pretty safe about it. But I just imagine,
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like if it was just my my two boys, because they sometimes they butt heads, and I put my oldest in
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charge and we leave, you know, we happen to have one of these cameras up. So we can still check in
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on them, you know, and just imagine my oldest has totally forgotten there was a camera up. And treats
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his brother badly, you know, and this son is just scared for his life. You know, he's like, what in
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the world, you know, he's making me do everything. He's wrestling me, hurt me, whatever. He even
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despite going through that, he knows that when we get home, we can review what happened and bring
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on justice for the younger. So when I think about this song, that's what I'm thinking about.
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Also the word fortress, you know, in the previous weeks, we talked about taking refuge. The fortress
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just seems better, bigger, meteor, mightier, you know, so yeah, it's, there's so much power in this
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as well. But again, that's why I think it's interesting whenever artists take these words,
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because Shane and Shane basically just seeing these words of the song. And again, I'm going to
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mention them probably about 1000 times, which by the way, I think of these four Psalms that we've
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covered, three of them are on Psalms two records. So I think what they have a song about Psalm 27,
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Psalm 34, and then Psalm 46. And I mean, and then they had their original Psalms record was when
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we were like in college or something like that, that came out like 2002. It was the first worship
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CD that I ever listened to. And a fun fact about Matt, Matt started actually reading the Bible
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because of Psalms volume one, because they were singing straight scripture. And I was like,
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does the Bible really say that? I want to go find out. And so I did. And now, you know,
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20 years later, I'm still I'm a huge shade and chain fan. I mean, I remember when Psalms two came
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out, and this was before they released the live version of Psalms two or whatever. And I like
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tweeted at him or left a comment on Facebook that I was just like, listening to this album,
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again, I've talked a lot about, you know, throughout these weeks of my up and down with the Bible and
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going years without really digging in or reading at all. But like, you'll hear one of those songs,
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you'll hear Lord of hosts, or you'll hear one of those representations. And then it's like, man,
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you just have that desire to go and read the Bible to do the hard work of digging through
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scripture and trying to get some meaning out of it and stuff like that. And so it's interesting
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whenever you can hear an artistic rendering of this song in modern day, because this was sung as a song,
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but we don't have the, I don't know anything about music, but we don't have the accompanying
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musical notes or like how they sang it or how it went from, you know, village to village or
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town to town or something like that. So it's just crazy how much power can be packed into
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something artistic. I mean, in one of our breaks, digging your daughters or dancers and you were
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showing us videos and pictures of them dancing, and sees young ladies and they're doing these
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things that are athletically impressive and things like that. But it's they're doing something
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by dancing that you can't really do with words. And so you try to describe it with words,
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but it doesn't really work that way. Same thing. These are letters on the page, you know, reads
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like poetry, but when someone puts like instruments and their their voices behind it and like,
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it's actually well done, it's just it's a different thing entirely.
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Well, I love Shane and Shane. But like, I read this and I hear like ACDC's thunderstruck start,
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you know, it's that guitar where it's like, and I think I mentioned it to you, you know,
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when we were talking about the different Psalms that we were going to be doing, it's like Psalm 46
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is the tunnel jam song, hyping up the team to go out into the arena and dominate, right? Like to me,
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that's what it's like. It's, you know, you talk about getting lifted up and do a tower. It's like,
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well, if you know, if you're going out to do a battle and you can see the battlefield from the
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tower, like you can make calls about what's going on and it and it and it you're never in the fog
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of war, so to speak, because you're in the middle of the battlefield, you're in the tower and you're
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up above it. And it's kind of cheating at that point, you know, so it's almost like, you know,
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it's it's it's like Bugs Bunny getting Michael Jordan to play on his basketball team when I read
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this. Yeah, this is a song of victory, for sure. And what I think of is I like how you put it.
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Like it's it's the jam you play before the battle because you know, you know, you won.
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You didn't win the God one, but I think of, obviously we can't talk about Psalm 46 without
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talking about Hezekiah. And I think of I think of the scenes in the Marvel movies, Thor is is the
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god of thunder. Let's not conflate him with anything Christian. But when the immigrant song comes on
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and battle scene that he's in and he's just pulverizing dudes like it's nothing. Yeah, like that is the
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Lord of hosts in Psalm 46. And he is just oh, yeah, just obliterating people without a second thought
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because it's nothing to him. And he is our victory. And I like that this yeah, this song is just it's
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such a powerful testament to who God is. Yeah, I was just to go off of that. I mean, God, you gotta
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know God knows everything from the beginning to the end. And so he basically just spelling it out
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here. It's like if I if I know I'm going to be victorious, I want to be on that team, you know,
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because he's going to win in the end. And when he can spell it out and I can see it. And I was
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reminded we can talk about it later. But just of even an I believe it's the second Peter just about
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by his word, he is going to literally make the earth just melt away. It's just going to go away.
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Can you imagine all of the non believers looking at all their gold and all their money and all
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their stuff that they amassed just literally melt at the word of God. And we're going to sit there
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and be like, yeah, he's about to recreate it all. And just like you did in the beginning.
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Well, and we look at right now, so when people talk about hurricanes and tornadoes and all these
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different national disasters, it's like we don't have to get into like a deep theological debate
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about the beginning parts of Genesis, but it's like the idea is there were not going to be hurricanes
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in the garden. Right, like there wasn't going to be F five tornadoes ripping through God's garden.
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Like all of that is products of the fall. That is to a degree, the earth groaning for for paradise,
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right as it were. And so right there in verse two there, therefore, we will not fear though the
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earth gives away those first three verses, those are threats of nature. But it's that even if the
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entire world collapses, if if weather collapses, if nature collapses, name a calamity, wildfires,
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like whatever, name a calamity, we should still not fear. And I go back to, you know,
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this is kind of stupid to admit as a kid growing up in Oklahoma, I was terrified of tornadoes growing
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up. And you know, I lived in Lawton, Oklahoma, and there's something interesting about Lawton,
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Oklahoma, and the Wichita mountains. There's never really tornadoes in Lawton, and it has
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something to do with the mountains. And I don't really understand it, but we never really got to
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experience it. But I remember the one time when we were little kids, and there was a tornado warning,
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and the only, you know, all of our family lived in that town, the only one with a storm shelter was
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our great grandparents that were on the other side of town. And here we are in the backseat,
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my dad's driving through town, and the lightning was closer than it had ever been. And it's so
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terrifying. And I'm already scared probably because of the movie Twister Twister did to me what the
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movie Jaws did for anyone that decided they wanted to swim in the ocean back and whenever that came
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out in the 60s or 70s. And so, you know, when you guys were alive, you know, in high school,
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when did you all go to a high school? It came out in the same year we were born.
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Perfect. 1977. Wow. Sorry. You guys are really old. What were the Beatles like in concert?
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No, that was wonderful. Yeah. But like, we're terrified, but we finally get to a great
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grandparents house. Our entire family's there. And I remember my dad, he's the one because for
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whatever reason, they didn't build these freaking doors with locks on them. And so you had to have
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some poor dope holding the rope to this, you know, underground cellar to keep everybody alive.
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And that poor dope was my dad. And you know, there wasn't a tornado, but there's really high winds,
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and it's really damaging. I just remember how scared I was. And obviously, as I get older,
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and as you you realize, you know, we know three or four days in advance. Hey, there's probably
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going to be severe weather this day. Don't be caught, you know, unaware, be weather aware today,
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like that type of thing. But I feel like there's nothing that could make me more
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scared than a weather calamity. Because in that moment, you realize just how weak you are,
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rushing water, raging winds, any of those types of things, that's different than being caught up in,
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you know, a gang fight or being caught, you know, you know, somewhere in an embarrassing spot.
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That's where like, I read that in a mic, I think about how terrified I was as a kid,
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and how easily I could be terrified by God. I mean, you talk about, you know, the, you know,
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the word that got a thunder and all those different things, like part of his appeal and part of his
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intimidation was using thunder and lightning and all those different things. And how easily could
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we be taken advantage of or be cause fearful just by nature, basically falling down around us?
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Well, I was just thinking too, about the sons of Cora, you know, we live in America,
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these type of calamities that you're bringing up are basically as bad as it gets right now.
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But there are people that live in other parts of the world where maybe there are a small tribe,
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and they know that just a few miles down the road is a much, much larger tribe. And that tribe
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is consistently plotting to take them out. So they live in a different kind of fear.
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Well, that's exactly as I understood when I did some, some research on this, what the sons of Cora
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were dealing with. They were dealing with the Assyrians that were constantly looking to take
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them out. And so there's this fear of, are they going to show up today? Maybe tomorrow? You know,
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I don't know. When, you know, the first verse, God is our refuge and strength, the very present
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help in trouble, right? It's eight. He, in other, in other Psalms, David describes him as the
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deliverer, right? Like, well, this is describing him as a helper. Like, he's like, I'm not here to
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deliver you from this. I'm here to help you. And you know, that, that to me is like, you know,
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it's like a boxer, like a boxer is, is in the round and, and is going toe to toe. And then they,
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and then they get a moment where they get to break and they go to the corner. And they have
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a helper there who is, you know, giving them, hydrating them, you know, helping them, you know,
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cutting the cut milieu, you know, cutting their eyes and all that. And, and they are helping them
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not for their comfort, but to get back out, right? Because the fight's not over. Yeah. But it's like,
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hey, we got this, you got the tower view, and you got a helper in your corner.
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And I think the, the thing that really strikes me about, about this is, again, it talks about
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cosmic collapse. That's versus one through three political turmoil. That's versus four through seven,
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and then divine intervention. And so we live in a time right now where there's a lot of tension,
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right? And to be honest, we're recording this a while before it comes out. But there are wars
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and rumors of wars that are that is happening to an insane degree right now. And not with
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countries that you've never heard of and not with countries that don't have any nukes.
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It's with all the countries that you're the most terrified of as an American or on the other side
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that they're terrified of us or those types of things. And it's easy now for us to get wrapped
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around the axle on politics. And the word turmoil is very interesting because you feel turmoil when
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your favorite party is not in office, right? Or if you're a libertarian and you realize that you
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literally will never win an election because your entire worldview is stupid. But like the,
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when you say you're a Republican person or a Democrat person or something like that,
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it's like when your guys not in the White House, you feel like the world is in turmoil. But when
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your guy was in the White House, your life chilled out, which I find odd. And I don't know, because I
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think, you know, 2016 in the election, Donald Trump kind of broke people's brains in a lot of
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degrees, broke people's brains and evangelicalism and political life and all those different things.
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So who knows what it's going to look like as we move forward into the future? But I feel like
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it kind of almost set me free a little bit to be like, when my guy does or doesn't get into office,
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that doesn't change what happens to me the next morning. I wake up early, I go work out,
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get in the studio, get after it, take care of the boys, take care of my wife. But this
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political turmoil thing, I feel like is the loudest of the siren songs right now. That's my personal
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opinion. Where do how do you guys kind of feel about that? I think there's some truth to that.
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But I think it goes back to last week or talking about where is your refuge? And if your refuge is
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in political affiliation, like you should check that. And I think people don't probably associate
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that with a sin, but it is an idol, which is sinful. And the Psalms do talk about in the Bible itself,
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just itself, God puts kings on their thrones. And it's all for God's glory. He puts righteous
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kings on thrones, but he puts on righteous kings on thrones too. And because your political party
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isn't in office, doesn't mean that God is not sovereign. It just means that your political
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party isn't in power at the time. But again, where's your refuge? Where are you going for your identity?
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Right. I was thinking of two fortresses, two different kinds of fortresses that
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exist. One is one of the wonders of the world. It's a great wall of China. It was however many
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thousands my miles long. And then the Mongols just decided, oh, we'll just go around it.
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I swear around and went ahead and invaded anyways. So the Chinese decided, well,
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being done to see was like, well, let's make it wider, make it longer. So what is it? 8,000 total
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miles now. Manchurians were like, we'll go around it too. So let's go around and do it again. I mean,
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so that's, I was thinking about like, how do we build false fortresses in our lives? And I know in
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the past weeks, we've talked about that, you know, with money and success and all sorts of things.
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Well, there's another fortress that Saint Michelle Mount Saint Michelle in Normandy.
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And it's this just beautiful kind of rock just right off the coast. And so interesting that the
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the water flows in and around it on a granite base. So when the water goes out, you can walk
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across from the land, right to Saint Mount Michelle, which is an Abbey, I built it in
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10th century or whatever. And when that water comes in, it can be 40, 50 feet deep. So the beauty
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of it was that ships could not they could really get the ships in because then the water would go
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out and they just they'd be stuck. And then armies couldn't come out from the land because they get
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halfway out there and then the tide would come in just sweep all the way. So it survived the
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100 years war because of that. So, you know, when I'm thinking of like a fortress, if I want to
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pick one of those, it's going to be that one. Interesting. Go with me on a journey. I'm about
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to thought flow here. So this is just this has just come to me. So you're talking about the Great
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Wall of China is to my knowledge, the only manmade structure that can be seen from space. Okay.
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So a couple episodes ago, we were talking about the Tower of Babel. Look at the story of China
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and how since the creation of the Great Wall, what has happened to China, specifically what has
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happened in the last 40 years, they're a communist dictatorship, very oppressive to their people.
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I think it's interesting that it with the Tower of Babel, God says, okay, you want to do it yourself?
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This is what's going to happen. But he then rebuilds his people and then we find the culmination
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of that Tower of Babel in acts when when all the languages come together. That's kind of the,
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that's kind of the full circle moment Tower of Babel. Everybody's spread out. Everybody's
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speaking their different languages. And then it all comes back and acts and everybody's hearing
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the gospel in their own language. Look at what God is doing in China under a very oppressive regime
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in a place that said, look at what we can do. Look at the things that we can build.
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And I'm not saying that this is biblical and that I'm not saying that this is exactly what's
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God doing, but it is an interesting picture of like what God what the work of God that is happening
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in China. It's illegal to be a Christian. Christianity is growing like wildfire there exploding.
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Yeah, because the Lord of hosts makes it so. I think that's a very interesting, very cool picture
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of what God does. I really think that when the king, and I don't remember his name,
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as a guy, no, no, no. Well, maybe I can't remember, took Jeremiah Skrull's number and he burned them.
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I think he thought, Oh, I've gotten rid of it. You know, not has a guy has a guy was a great
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king. So yeah, no, no different. Different guy. Different guy. Anyways, what do you do? He just
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went back to Baruch and was like, what God said, let's just do it again. So they just wrote them
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all out again. Like, Oh, what was that the book of Eli? That's another good, good example. I mean,
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I don't want to spoil it, but it's been out for like 13 years. It's been out for a while. If you
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have a spoiler, they kill the shark at the end of John. What? Well, so the interesting
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point about that is the center point of Christianity for the last 2000 years has been the Northern
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Hemisphere, right? It's been Middle East, Europe, and North America, and then it's spread from there.
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But if you talk to any statistician, anyone that pays attention to trends and things like that,
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it's a southern hemisphere that is the future of Christianity, because we live in a post-Christian
23:31
West, right? Everything we do politically is filtered through a lens of secularism.
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That's not how it is right now, because the gospel is exploding in Africa. It's exploding
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in China, in North Korea, in South Korea. It's exploding in all these places. And that's,
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you know, that's a lot of people are trying to reckon with, well, what does that mean? And
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how does that look? Because, you know, African culture, part of the reason why the gospel is
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doing so well in African cultures is because most of their religious ideologies built off of miracles.
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And so they're like, Oh, yeah, sure. Middle Eastern Jew died and then rose again three days later.
24:05
Yeah, I just saw a cow resurrect like four or five days ago. This is amazing. So like,
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it's just a very different ideal. But again, it goes back to, again, talking politics,
24:15
drawing straight lines with crooked sticks. Again, I've said this over and over on the show,
24:19
but I don't believe that Donald Trump is pro life in his heart. But he got
24:23
Kavanaugh Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett on the Supreme Court of the United States.
24:27
Roe v. Wade went the way the trash bin Planned Parenthood v. Casey went the way the trash bin,
24:32
which didn't end the debate in the United States, but has saved tens of thousands of
24:36
babies lives just since last summer, right? That was drawn with a twice divorced,
24:42
you know, very corrupt and, you know, of all intents and purposes immoral guy.
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And so you talk about, you know, God putting kings like in America,
24:51
president is king doesn't rule everything, but the president is king.
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And Donald Trump was there for a short time. Like, if we're in an era where you don't
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not get a second term, you always get a second term. But if you point to anything that was
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accomplished during that period, that's that's got to be number one on everybody's ranking.
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And it's like, that goes directly to the idea of life and the protection of image bears of Christ.
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And how incredible that is. But that also speaks, I mean, got like that. But the Bible is full of
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Trump's like people like Donald Trump that God uses for his own glory. And so like, I think it's in,
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I think it's in the Exodus show on. There they are. Yes. Thank you. That they talk about like,
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which is fantastic. Yeah, you should watch it. It's good that people that had such a problem with
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Donald Trump because he wasn't moral. And then this isn't, this isn't, you know,
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this isn't a pro Trump, anything, but that's not a biblical response to Trump because again,
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the Bible is full of people just like Trump that God uses. Anyway, so I mean,
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just think about David, like the last three songs that we went through written by David.
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Again, murderer and a rapist. And we're like, wait, I didn't know he raped anybody.
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Do you think Bathsheba just slept with David because, or do you think that was like, oh,
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he's the king? And if I don't sleep with him, I'm going to die. Like, it's not much of a stretch
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to call the man or rapist. But it's like, that again, we get the Savior from his line,
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right? Yeah, like there are whores in his line. There are murderers in his line.
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Like all sorts of terrible people. So one thing I want to talk about as well with this song is
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getting into verses eight and nine. And so come behold, though, it's funny, as I'm reading this,
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I'm like hearing Shane Shane sing it in my ears. Everybody's doing that. So yeah, verse eight,
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come behold, the works of the Lord, how he has brought desolation on the earth. Verse nine,
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he makes war ceased to the end of the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters the spear. He burns
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the chariots with fire. I just got to tell you, when I highlighted that, I literally drew a line
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out to the side and wrote so epic, like that is part of the reason. And I sent you guys a text this
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week. It was the song Stig Moda by the band convictions. Okay, so it's a very not well-known
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Christian metal band. And loud, very, very loud. And if you're not expecting it to pick up on the
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Bluetooth in your car, it will scare you like midway through the song. Yeah, like Browning did.
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And so, you know, when they scream, the word Stig Moda, it's a little bit terrifying when you're
27:36
not ready for it. But the thing about it is when the reason why I talk so much about church is
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becoming man friendly, it's because when men sing words like this, they get it. For some reason,
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this speaks to the heart of the man, the masculine man more than, you know, there's Jesus, I will
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embrace him in my arms. It just it doesn't feel the same. And so why I'm drawn to, you know,
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bands like convictions are for today or sleep or any of those types of bands that have made these,
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you know, gospel centered albums is because those words are modern day songs. I told the lead singer
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of the band convictions, a guy named Mike who's been on the show before, I was like, you wrote a
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modern day song. You can't listen to the to the song Stig Moda by convictions and read the lyrics
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and think to yourself, Oh, yeah, this is this is something different. There's lamentation in it.
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There are cries for the Lord, but there's also glory. And there's power. And so to all of you guys
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listening to this, I know we have a lot of pastors and music ministers and things like that. Have your
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men in mind when you're picking out the songs, not just the key you're singing in, but the lyrical
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content for you pastors putting together sermon series is think about the stuff that is going to
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speak to the heart of the man for whatever reason we may we don't know. Men understand the line of
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Judah more than women do innately. And that doesn't mean we ignore the lamb quite the contrary,
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but you can't understand the fullness of Jesus unless you understand grace and truth, lamb and
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life. That's why I think it's so important to dig into songs like this. Oh, for sure. The the
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Lord of hosts that is with us, I think I talked about hezekiah earlier. It's in I think it's in
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1 Kings 18. It could be 2 Kings 18 or 19. I don't quote me on that, please.
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When hezekiah, the city is surrounded. He gets Assyrians, right? Yeah. And he goes and prays.
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And the angel of the Lord, the angel of the Lord comes and strikes down 185,000
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people in the Assyrian army. Like that's what that's why I said, I think of that. I think of Thor just
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swinging his hammer around and just like just killing dudes. And I don't fully know how to
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explain this because I'm not a theologian, but I believe it's called theophany Christ in the Old
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Testament, the pre-incarnate Christ coming. And that is Christ coming and just decimating 185,000
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soldiers. And to go back to stuff that you talk about all the time, like we want to picture Jesus
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as this cuddly guy who just, you know, be your true self. Man, you read Kings and you read the story
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of the angel of the Lord Christ decimating almost 200,000 soldiers. Christ is not cuddly in that
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moment for sure. And God will be glorified and no one is going to talk crap on God.
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And that, I mean, that's essentially what happens in that story, right? Like,
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these people are like, oh, you're going to, you're going to believe in this God. What is he going to
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do basically? And God's like, well, I will show you. Yeah. Yeah. And verse five, God is in the midst
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of her. She shall not be moved. God will help her when morning dawns. So they're like, no doubt,
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just within the walls of the city, just praying fervently, right? And then they wake up in the
31:14
morning, the angel of the Lord, yeah, decimated 185,000. And I think about 185,000, right? They're
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they're preparing for battle the next day, getting their weapons done. They're, you know,
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all getting well rested, you know, thinking about hydrating themselves and, you know,
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reducing the carbs. So they don't have to stop in the middle and go to the bathroom. Like we've
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discussed. That's right. And, uh, in inside conversations, not to do backup. I was told not
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to do that. I know. No, inside jokes. So now we have to do is we have to go back in time and
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explain what happened. I'm sorry. So go go back. So Matt, why did they can just talk about pooping
31:58
and marathons? So we were just talking about preparation and taking substances.
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To make you go to the bathroom. And we started talking. I don't know why we started talking
32:12
about runners to go on long runs. And so I just told a story of I ran two years ago, I ran two
32:17
marathons. The first year I had to stop to go to the bathroom. And then the next year, I just did
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some research and was prepared and knew not to eat carbs after noon the day before I ran. And that
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worked. So it's crazy because they knew that like 1000 they did, right? That's right. But you'd
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say they were preparing their bows and their spears and their chariots. That's that's what
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that's what God. So they're getting ready for a battle.
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And then I imagine, you know, God will help her when morning dawns. Angel, the Lord goes out the
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battle. There wasn't a battle though. Like it was to call it a battle is it was so I know. Like,
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so what do you even call it? Like it's like that'd be the most ultimate scene in a movie ever.
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Like absolute destruction. And they're gone. And then so it goes on and down in eight,
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come behold the works of the Lord, right? So it's like telling everybody, hey, come on down here and
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see what the Lord has done. So like you said, the angel like Jesus come see what our Lord did.
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Yeah. Well, they weren't they weren't going to win. They weren't they didn't have a chance. 185,000
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people trained killers at your doorstep. You're done. You're not you're not winning that battle.
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And what a great picture of when it's when my backs against the wall is my back really against
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the wall. It is if I don't take refuge in God. Okay. So I if I do, God's going to battle for me.
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So so let me let me ask something to that to that line because I was kind of thinking about this.
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I was going to ask you guys, why aren't more modern pastors and more worship leaders
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embracing stuff like the Psalms, like leaning into it? But a lot of modern. It's not even like
34:11
Western pull yourself up by your bootstraps. I'm trying to like get the words for it. Why do a
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lot of modern ministries and a lot of pastors basically encourage people to find the strength
34:20
within themselves? Like you can do this or you're enough or like, Jesus loves you the way that you
34:28
are. The inherent evil of a statement, even like the last one I mentioned, is if that were true,
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then why did Jesus need to die? If Jesus loved you just the way that you are, so I think
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there's this. Okay, if we if we just read the Bible and we did what it said, the the the self
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help industry would be dead. There'd be no need for that. It's not. But I think that goes to
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the watered down gospel. Jesus loves you, which is true, but Jesus doesn't love us just the way
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we are. He loves us in spite of who we are, but then he calls us. There's not there's not a single
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story in the New Testament in the gospel writings where Jesus doesn't meet somebody or encounter
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somebody. And he specifically calls them to something different to something better. Go and
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sin no more is the cry of Jesus to the people who he loves. But that's like to tell half the story
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is, in my opinion, condemning people to hell. And so to your point, I think it's because we're so
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bent inward that we want to think it's that works plus, like, or that or grace plus, sorry,
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that we can think, okay, grace, grace alone saves me. But
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I can also do stuff. And you are enough. I don't know exactly where that comes from, but
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yeah, that's a dangerous thing for sure. I mean, when you guys hear that stuff come from kind of
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modern creatures, because I mean, I agree with all that, Matt, but like, that you are enough,
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like, find the answers within yourself, like, allow your inner you to be the you that the world sees
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like that. Wait, does it align with something that you said you said this months ago is like
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moral therapeutic deism? Is it kind of in the same vein as stuff as stuff like that, Eric?
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Well, and when I when I think about that, I'm thinking more like God just wants me to be happy.
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Okay, and so he's he's seeking out my happiness. Right. As if we're the 11th Commandments, you need
36:39
to be happy in the 12th Commandments. You need to be nice. Yeah, you to be. It doesn't even
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I'll go back to the garden. Did God really say? And Satan is trying to tell us
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you can be like God. And I think that's where it comes from is we want to we want to be our own God.
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And yeah, like self sufficiency, we want to be the answer to our prayers. And because then
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we can take the credit because yeah, exactly. We could take the credit for something that like,
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there's there's no there's no way has a guy can take the credit for that. There's no way.
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There's no way he could stand up there and go. Look what I did. And
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that's the beauty of this story. But how many times do we get in a situation where we can't get
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out of, but then we take credit for it anyway? Well, you know, all these Psalms that we've gone
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through, I don't get it the impression that any of them are coming to Jesus kind of moment.
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This is someone that's already, you know, this is already a saved. I'm following after God,
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kind of kind of deal, you know. So it's I mean, think about what I think probably happens.
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And I may have said this before. So forgive me if I have, but
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there may be a conversion. We come to Jesus. I'm not good enough. I need you
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for salvation. Yadda yadda yadda. And then so we get saved. We for pented. And then instead of
38:09
taking up our cross, we start trying to do things on our own. Again, it's like almost like, well,
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now that God has done this one thing for me by sending Jesus, I need to do something for him.
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And that's where I think it starts to go sideways. No, no, no, every single day, you need to wake
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up and remind yourself that you are wholly insufficient. And you are weak in without Jesus.
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You can do nothing apart from him. That's why I have the word abide in him, you know, John 5th,
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15, 5 to mention just we cannot do anything apart from him. So we are saved, but that does not then
38:48
give us license to just go do whatever, you know, on our, in our own power. And so what I think
38:53
happens is we start to realize that we can't, we can't do it. And so we try other avenues of
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trying to do it. You know, it's like, well, now it's self-help. That goes back to the narrow
39:05
gate versus the wide gate. We don't want to take the narrow gate because it's hard. And Jesus says
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it's hard. And Jesus says narrow is the gate that leads to life. And it's hard. And it's a daily
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death to ourself. It's a daily picking up of our cross. These aren't my words again. This is like,
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we're going through this in my Sunday school class. And I have a brilliant Sunday school teacher who
39:26
will remain nameless because I don't, I don't want to mess anything up and then have him call me out
39:32
on it. Because that would be embarrassing. But he's talking about the biggest thing that I took
39:38
away from this is the, the wide gate, it's where all those other things come in. You know, it could
39:45
be a little bit of Christ here, but it's, it's modernism. It's self-worship. It's self-help. It's
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new age. But it's, it's all, it's all wide. And Jesus says it's hard because it's a daily death.
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It's a daily picking up of our cross. But the biggest thing I took away from that is,
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and it was such a, such a light bulb moment was, isn't it amazing that there's a gate in the first
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place? How awesome is our God that he even gave us a gate at all? And so that's pretty cool.
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Well, and that is cool. And it, and it is. It's like, um, hey, you've been separated from God. Better
40:35
build a gate. You know, it's like, oh my goodness. Uh, you know, and, and, and, you know, I'm thinking
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about your question earlier about, about encouraging someone to, to find, find the power within themselves.
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Like how discouraging is that to someone who's struggling and vulnerable and, and seeking, right?
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And they've been fighting that struggle for who knows how long to be told,
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quote unquote, like, you can do it. Isn't them? It's like, no, I can't, like, I've been,
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you've been listening to me. I've been trying, like, like, I've had a really hard go and I can't do it.
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Like this, this is all you have to offer me is that I can do it. And it's like, it's on to your point.
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Yeah, it's your point. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's like, hey,
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you know what? That's exactly why we need Jesus. Right. But I think it works on the opposite side
41:30
of that too, Dan, in that, okay, there's the people to where it's like, okay, you're going to navel
41:34
gaze or like, you know, you're, you're told you can do it. It's like, no, I've been trying, like,
41:38
it's just not possible. It's like, there are certain things that you're just not capable
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of. And like, we love taking scripture out of context and, you know, these things about courage
41:46
and victory and all that. But then look at verse 10, because I didn't realize verse 10 was taken
41:51
out of context as much as it was until I, you know, did a little digging, but it's be still
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and know that I am God. Okay. And then that's typically what we see on the coffee mug with
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pumpkin spice last days in it while you're wrapped up in a blanket and by a fire and all that kind
42:05
of stuff. But then there's the rest of it, which is I will be exalted among the nations. I will be
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exalted in the earth. The Lord of hosts is with us. The God of Jacob is our fortress. Sorry, that,
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that one part wasn't quite in the text. But, but think about that. That is not, I forget who said
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at first, I would love to be able to give them credit. This is not a rest verse. Be still and
42:28
know that I am God. That has been printed on Bible cases and on t-shirts and on all that.
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And it's typically got a doily pattern and some sort of a flower with it. And it's supposed to get
42:40
us to be like, girl, you're enough. You just stay there and be still and know that he's God,
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your cosmic boyfriend. Like in here, listen to air one and buy these nonsense books. Like,
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the thing about it is that it is not a rest verse. It is a victory verse. It is a war cry. It goes
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back to what you were saying at the beginning day and like when we were figuring out like, okay,
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whose favorite is whose favorite? This one is that running through the tunnel, breaking through
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the paper while the smoke machines going off. That is this moment. It's not, okay, it's after
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the game and we're having a reflective moment with each other while we're holding hands. And
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that's the thing is like, when you read these things, that's why I always encourage guys because
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now I'm learning about all these scriptures that I thought meant what they definitely did not mean
43:25
because I saw them on t-shirts and I saw them on bumper stickers or I saw pastors kind of pull
43:29
them out to make a point so they could keep their tax exempt status at their church. And the whole
43:34
thing here is like, we don't, we don't operate from victory enough. That's, I guess, my entire
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point here is we operate from, yeah, Jesus and he can, he can make you, he can save your life and
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he can make you better at life and he can, you know, basically make you a better person. It's like,
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no, there's victory in Jesus. Like, imagine knowing the score to the game before you get there.
43:56
Right. That's, that's incredible. It's a cry of victory, but it's also a warning.
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I will be exalted among the nations. The Assyrians mess around and they found out.
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And it is a, it's a battle cry of victory, but it is also a warning to those who would oppose God.
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And that can be us, for sure. And because we are wicked and we are in opposition to God
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outside of Christ. And so I think that is a very clear warning.
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Yeah. And he's looking at it. Yeah. Every knee or what will happen. Every knee shall bow, every
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tongue confess. Everyone is going to confess. Kyle, you, you bring up, um, you know, the victory and
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going into any game. If you knew what the final score was going to be in that triggered, you know,
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it must be pop culture. Can't say true time because we, uh, we, uh, sorry. It's a new guy thing. I'm
44:51
still getting to it. So, so the thing it makes me think of is, did you, are you guys old enough to
44:58
know of the game? Contra? Did you play Contra? Yes. Is that only like Atari or something like that?
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Did y'all play that with stones in the mud? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it was on Nintendo,
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but it was a game. You've heard the up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Sure. Yeah, yeah,
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right. Every single weapon unlimited lives God mode. And you just mode through that game,
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right? You'd get your gun. Lord of hosts. And you would, you know, and it was back when games
45:26
were just let you just ran from the left side of the screen to the right side of the screen for
45:30
like three hours. Yeah. But you just murdered everything. And like, and it didn't matter if, if,
45:34
if you stepped, if you fell in a pit, you just drop down from the sky and you just keep running.
45:39
And that this is up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, or like anything that isn't that,
45:48
that the devil tries to throw in front of you. Like you, the victory is done. Like, I may stumble,
45:55
and I may fall in this pit, but I'm going to be right back at it. That's right. And, and I have
45:59
unlimited lives and I'm going for it. I think this is all really awesome to talk about. But I think
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we would be remiss if we didn't pause and talk about how God is victorious. And in this specific
46:17
battle, he is victorious. And if somebody gets cancer as a believer, God will be victorious.
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That doesn't mean you're going to be cured of cancer. Sure. And so I think, I think we should
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maybe rest in in just a little bit of what we decide is victory isn't always what God prescribes
46:43
as victory. And this whole Psalm could be taken out of context very easily for someone just using
46:52
the cancer analogy. And if I think that this Psalm is true and I have cancer, but then I die,
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can cause a lot of pain and anger. And so I think it's really important to look at victory in the
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light of eternity. And our victorious cry may not come in this life. And cancer may take us.
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But the Lord of hosts is still with us. And they on the other side of glory, we're going to be
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still and know that he is God. Yep, that's exactly right. The, I was thinking just, even just the
47:39
word success, like what the world considers, considers success in life, and what God considers
47:46
success in life. And I feel like it's completely different definition. You know, the world would
47:53
say, well, you've got to be, you got to have money, you got to be able to show what you've done,
47:59
accolades, reputation, that sort of thing. And that's just not how God defines at all.
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I feel like God defines success as faithfulness. And if we are faithful with whatever he's given
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us to do whatever he's asked us to do, like you said, then we will have been successful. But
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too, we will also continue to taste that victory in the end when he vindicates, brings vengeance,
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and then recreates the world. I think that gives us a narrative to Eric about godly
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wisdom versus worldly wisdom. So one thing I thought about digging when you're describing
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Contra and then the cheat code and those different things is if I were to write a self-help book,
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which I feel like I could do in an afternoon, and it would sell a few million copies because
48:54
there's basically nothing in those books, such as vapid nonsense. But if is you would tell someone
48:59
like, well, God mode in those games, because that's typically what's that what that's called
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that's only good for a time. What you need is to to struggle a little bit. So you have something
49:08
that you can overcome. But what we're describing here, and what y'all described with all these other
49:14
Old Testament battles and things like that, that's God mode. Because when you see these things
49:19
happening where you're outnumbered by the enemy or they have the high ground or anything like that,
49:24
and then you win your army wins, that's because God put your army in God mode. And so the worldly
49:30
wisdom would be like, no, you need like a guy like me. I'm like, no, you need struggle. You need
49:34
to be able to build that resilience like, you know, yeah, sure, play on God mode, but then, you know,
49:37
put it on the hardest mode possible so that you can learn how to overcome. But the godly wisdom is
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putting yourself on the right side of the ledger. You're either with God's army or anybody else.
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And at the end of the day, after cancer, after hurricanes, after battles, after everything,
49:54
only one side is going to be on the correct one. One side can be victorious. Like you can't have
50:00
multiple ways to it. And there's this constant kind of battle back and forth of godly wisdom
50:05
versus worldly wisdom. The problem I see is a lot of that worldly wisdom has just like
50:10
eked its way into the modern day church. And it's like, we feel like again, I kind of go back to
50:15
this gospel plus like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that, but also you need to vote a certain way or yeah,
50:19
yeah, yeah, that, but also you need to advocate for this particular group that is this particular
50:24
immutable characteristic. And then so that they will feel better. Oh, yeah, hey, we need to be
50:28
known for what we're for not well for what we're against. And we just want to add stuff to make
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us feel more comfortable. And even maybe to come back around to my struggle with a lot of pastors
50:37
and preachers and music leaders ignoring the stuff like this, is they're not leading people into an
50:43
authentic faith? Because that's why I tell people all the time, the reason why we talk about the
50:47
line of Judah so much is because, Hey, you've taught us about the Lamb of God, like, we get it,
50:51
but like you're not understanding the totality of Christ. You're getting not just a watered down
50:56
gospel. It's worse than that. It's incomplete. And so I feel like that that kind of brings us
51:00
all the way around like, yes, we have to have the verses of comfort. But guess what there are guys
51:05
that read this song and it's comforting. Now my wife will read this on the show be like, that's
51:10
chaotic that's icky. But like, I read that I'm like, yes, like let's storm the gates of hell now,
51:16
like that kind of thing. And so I guess that's my encouragement for everyone to kind of embrace,
51:20
like make sure you're on the right side of that ledger. Well, the self help industry just in itself
51:24
is an indication that we all know God exists. And we know something's broken. That means fixing,
51:33
and we know, yeah, we know something's broken. And so we can rail on self help. And I've been
51:40
there. I've tried to read self help books. But at the end of the day, it's always missing something.
51:48
And what an opportunity we have as Christians to speak into that. And this is a call to myself
51:55
just as it would be just as much as it is called to everybody else is people that are looking for
52:01
that self help stuff. And a great, a great way to point them towards the ultimate help,
52:09
the ultimate refuge, the ultimate fortress in our, our Lord of hosts, Jesus Christ. And
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that's something that we should strive for every day.
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And the thing about treating the Bible. So you shouldn't treat the Bible as a pseudo self help
52:29
self help book. It's it's the capital T truth book, because you can read self help books and
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there's a lot of truth in it. Technically, one of the greatest books of all time, in my opinion,
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12 rules for life is a self help book. It's in that category. But what is undergirding the
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things in that book that are true, a Judeo Christian ethic, which comes from what the books that we
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all have out in front of us right now. And so that's even when you have people call them, you know,
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old school liberals or, you know, conservatives or whatever, these people that point to a Judeo
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Christian ethic as being correct, or right, the next question invariably has to be, how do you know
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that? Just like if an atheist, if I were to say, Hey, I see you have a two year old daughter there,
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if I were to smash her head in with a hammer, would that be wrong? Or would you just not like it?
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Well, no, that would be wrong. Well, how do you, how do you mean? What do you mean wrong? We're
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stardust, like we're all stardust just bumping into each other. What makes that wrong? Because
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you can say you don't like it. Everyone should agree that if I bash your kids head in with a
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hammer that you wouldn't like it. But what makes that wrong? And so I think all of this goes in,
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and I think it goes into the macro story that we've brought up a lot over the last several weeks,
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is when you separate off the Old Testament, because it's scary, or because you don't quite
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understand it, or because Jesus seems a lot easier and nicer, you're missing so much seasoning
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for the gumbo that is the gospel, right? Because the gospel in and of itself is an entire story
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that this entire book points towards everything in the Old Testament points towards the gospel,
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everything in the New Testament points towards the gospel. It's a, again, Jordan Peterson had one
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of the greatest quotes about the Bible by a non Christian. This isn't a book, it's a library.
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And this is a library about one subject matter that the person of Christ in the salvation they're
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in. Yeah, the gospel is in the Old Testament. It doesn't just point to the gospel.
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The gospel is there too. Like Abraham has preached the gospel. I'll talk about that.
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And he is counted faith, or he is counted righteousness by faith. I can't remember exactly how it goes,
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sorry for messing that up. But the gospel is all the way throughout the Bible.
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And I agree. Separating the Old Testament from the New Testament, like it
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it renders it useless. It's a useless book if you separate it out. Because it's all, it's all the
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gospel. Absolutely. Well, guys, Psalm 46 is really short, and I think we squeeze quite a bit out of
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it. And there's certainly more there, but we're going to have to leave it there for now. But guys,
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come back next Sunday where we are going to be digging into Psalm two. Who's favorite Psalm to?
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Matt, and guess who's not going to be here next week? I won't be here. Matt. All right.
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So Matt is going to give us some notes with which to kind of dig into Psalm two.
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