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Welcome back to the Forging Table. The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push
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back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. At the Forging
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Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience by digging into
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God's Word and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us. That's
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Caleb. That's Robert. That's Ryan the Horn. Rather, it's how I could say it. If you didn't
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listen to the last episode, that's just going to seem awkward. But if you did listen to the
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last episode during the introduction, Caleb, whenever he's supposed to be just answering
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the questions and saying normal white people stuff, he just low key dropped in the middle
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of the Forging Table, a bomb that basically his family or members of cults and Robert,
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you actually know a little bit about this cult. Apparently, I'm the only one at this table
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that doesn't know. Yeah, see, I'm like, go ahead. Because Caleb and I both lived in the
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same neighborhood, the one I still live in, and I'm now really kind of questioning if
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I still need to live there much longer. But evidently, I find out Caleb, just a couple
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of years ago, ended up moving because we live across the street from the compound for,
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you know, we need some more information. I'd like to just call it the compound. It looks
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like a missile silo when you drive it. It's got gates. It's got gates. We actually broke
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inside one time, and we sneak past the security checkpoint. I had somebody that was just really
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interested in the theater productions that were there, and we went inside the auditorium
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that was there. And it was unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, the, I don't know, wood from Madagascar
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that was used for the sinks in the bathroom and the Varski's crystals that there's like
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10,000 Varski's crystals that are in each one of the chandeliers that are in there. I
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mean, it is plush. Okay. So no one knows what we're even talking about, but we need you
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to bring it around. Like if you live in the town that we live in and you drive north,
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you see this place, you're like, Oh, that's weird. But like, apparently I had no idea
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it was connected to what would you say is a Herbert Armstrong? Okay. Yeah, Herbert Armstrong.
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So funny story about the house. So my, my wife, we'd been married a couple years, she
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finds this house online, right? She's like, this is the one. So we're going out to see
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it for the first time we're driving north. We're like, as you know, out of town for,
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you know, miles and miles and we go past, we pass Waterloo Road. And then there's this
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massive building that we pass. And I see the sign. And I just start laughing. Like I see
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Herbert Armstrong college, I think is what the sign says. And I just started laughing
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at my wife's like, what? I said, that's the church that I grew up in. Yeah. Tell us like
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your cultish past. She's like, Oh, no. Wait, that actual building? Or I'll get it. Okay.
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All right. Sorry. She's like, Oh, no. She goes, are they going to come get us? I don't
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know. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know what you thought we did. We didn't
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get people. They've been sending like these houses to her to try to draw her to the area
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of the city. They had their master plan can go about. Man. So we ended up living there
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like 14 years. They didn't get us. We made it out. So anyway, so quick backstory. Okay.
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So Herbert Armstrong was born like 1900 ish. Okay. He starts with a radio program and
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a publication called The Plain Truth. So he, of course, like every cult leader is a prophet,
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right? Sent by God. He knows the truth. So anyway, his, it's, it's a all-old testament,
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right? So I said last week that everyone thought I was Jewish because, you know, like
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it's Christmas time and I'm just drawing the snowman and everyone else is drawing Santa
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and I'm Dorado. Celebrate. Maybe that was maybe that was maybe that was the day I was
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singing Draydle Draydle on corner. Right. So celebrating, you know, Feast of Trumpets,
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Feast of Tabernacles. They have unleavened bread like all the Jewish holidays, right?
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So that's what I grew up doing. So I'll try and make this quick, but now I'm enjoying
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it. You go. Okay. So anyway, Herbert Armstrong has he predicts Christ return a couple times
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in his life. Obviously, he's wrong. So his son, there's a splinter and there's several
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splinter splinter groups like every cult, right? So his son starts one. That's the one that
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my parents end up getting involved in when they were at college in Alva, Oklahoma. So
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they get involved there. We start going to church there. They actually, my dad is, we're
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living in Wichita, then he moves down to more Oklahoma, which is where I was born. That's
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where the church, the church like folded in Wichita. So they move to be part of the church,
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predicts Christ return again. And 85 doesn't happen. That's what my dad's like a camp done.
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So he starts reading his Bible. He and my wife or my mom was the piano player and she's
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very agreeable. So she's like, well, I'll just keep going there. So I remember going
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to church with my mom and my two sisters, two older sisters. And then I won't go down
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that road too much. But the cool story about about the worldwide church of God is that
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that Herbert Armstrong handpicked his successor in like 1980 something Gerald Flurry. No,
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it's not. No. So it was a, I can't remember the guy's name, but I want it's Wikipedia
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page right now. So I can like back check this real time. Yeah. So he picks the successor
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Feasal. Feasal. Okay. Something Feasal. So anyway, this Feasal guy goes through all
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the doctrine, right? And he's basically like bogus. Oh boy, wild. Right. So he's like,
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this is, this is not the truth. So, and I can't, I can't like speak to all their doctrine.
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But the worldwide church of God, I'm pretty sure now is a Bible believing Christian church.
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Okay. However, what we have here in Edmond is the remnant. Oh, was it really? Oh, the
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original like Herbert Armstrong church, right? So, so headquarters like when I was young
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was in Pasadena, California. And this, the guy you just mentioned was named John Flurry
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he was from Washington state. Okay. So when the whole deal is going down with this Feasal
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guy, basically like breaking down all their doctrine, Gerald Flurry is like, no, like
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we, we have Herbert Armstrong's, you know, prophetical writings, all this stuff. So this
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is the truth. And then someone donates this land in Edmond, America. So they land here.
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And that's where like the plain truth magazine, like all his writings are still going out
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all over the world from here. Right across from the entrance from New Mexico. Yeah, that
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building right there is where they're all cranked out of. So they've got deep pockets
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because even if the land was donated for free, that is a, I mean, yes, stuff they built.
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So crazy part of that building that theater, that auditorium, when they start building
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it, look it up in, in Pasadena, like if you look up worldwide church, God, and look up
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images, that same building exists in Pasadena, California. The minute they started building
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that, I was like, Shannon, check this out. I pick it up and I'm like, that's what they're
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building. That guy Gerald Flurry is a self declared prophet and he's over six. Over three
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decades, he made several prophecies, including Donald Trump remaining president, the Supreme
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Court overturning 2020 election. Barack Obama is the last president of the United States.
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Pope Benedict will resurrect the Holy Roman Empire. And the Philadelphia church of God
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would acquire a brick it estate in the UK and Jesus could return by 2020. That's right.
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That's over six right now. That's tough on your list. I will say one of my favorite things
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is when a public prophet says the world will end on, you know, July 10, 2000, whatever
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I'd be like, I'll see you on July 11th, because it's just, it's so funny. But did you have
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anything else to add on that? Because by the way, guys, if you go to this dude's Wikipedia
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page, Herbert W Armstrong, it is pages and pages and pages of information. Like it's,
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I didn't realize it was that involved.
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So the church I grew up in was was church of God International. I don't know where they
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stand doctrinally right now, but the worldwide church of God was the original. And then now
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they're called the Philadelphia church of God. So we, my mom bought us tickets to some
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performance there a few couple years ago. And out of obligation, she and I are like,
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okay, we got to have to go. So we went and it was just like super uncomfortable. You
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just know, I could just imagine we go like story going into that, just to seal the spiritual
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darkness, you know, it's like, man, this is weird. So we actually left, but they have
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like, my mom listens to this podcast. Like we left, we left our phones in the parking lot
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and went to Sonic, because we knew that she would attract us and Sonic is where Sonic
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is where the light left your phones. Yeah, we put our phones out. We're like, we're going
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to Sonic. We're just going to have a date in the car.
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That was wild. Okay, so that may seem like a hard lift left turn from Nehemiah 11, but
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I actually want to take another quick divergence because of something that you just said.
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Um, the feeling of spiritual darkness. Again, guys, this is not even, I guess, tangentially
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related to Nehemiah 11. We'll get there. But I think that this is important to discuss.
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When you walk into a place and people kind of get that gut level feeling that something
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is off, right? The spidey sense or something like that. The most extreme story that I know
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of was the guy that wrote a sent from darkness. His name is escaping me right now. Um, it'll
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come to be here in a second. But this was a guy that was a practicing satanist, not like
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a modern satanist, which is basically where you worship at the altar of yourself. This
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guy was sacrificing animals. He was going into Christian churches and putting, uh, satanic
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writings into the, the pews and replacing the, the hymn books with, you know, say, satanic
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writings or something like that. And this guy, um, I know the pastors that went to his house,
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the night that, you know, Christ called him to himself. And, uh, one of the pastors in
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particular, I won't use his name because I didn't get approval to use the story, but
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he said they knew what they were going over to, to do in this house. They knew kind of
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what this guy's, uh, track record was because he had tried to kill their pastor. So Craig
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Rochelle, the pastor of life church I've talked about a lot on the show. This guy showed up
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at life church with a firearm and was planning to kill him. He had been casing the place he
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had been watching the security protocols, knowing what car he would leave the facility
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in like the whole nine yards. And he shows up and, you know, he's confronted by a security
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person that was just kind of tangentially doing their job. Um, anyway, the, the long
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story short is they go into this guy's house. And I remember one of the, the pastors he
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was telling me this, you know, years ago, he goes, God never felt this in my entire life.
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But the moment I walked in, I felt pressure on my body, like that the, the darkness,
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the spiritual darkness inside that home was like crushing me. And it reminded me of my
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buddy, Vinny, who had a, had a nightmare, woke up from it. And like, and this is a guy
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that doesn't really, you know, exaggerate stories, but he felt like he was literally
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being held down in his bed. Like he couldn't lean up. Like there was like actual spiritual
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oppression, like kind of holding him down. So I just wanted to kind of throw that out
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there. Cause you said that about that type of thing. But as Christians, I mean, what
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are y'all's opinions? Cause I haven't experienced that personally. I don't really know what
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that's like. But when you hear people describe it in such vivid detail, it's like, okay,
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if you're ever in a moment like that, you should probably listen, like it was probably
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a good thing that y'all went and you got you a foot long kony and a cherry limeade. Like
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that was probably a good idea. I mean, for you guys, have y'all ever experienced something
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like that? Or cause that's outside of my, my purview.
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Something that's close to it, me and a good friend of mine named Harold Campbell, he's
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a pastor out of Tulsa, just phenomenal, phenomenal guy, just phenomenal, phenomenal man of the
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Lord. Anyways, we were on this, it's called a university for now, but we were at a university.
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And I was going down a really crowded corridor. And I mean, hundreds of people that were in
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an eye view of this area. And all of a sudden this guy walks past me and he just starts
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like thrashing and cussing and just staring me just locking his eyes on me. And as I continue
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to keep walking past him, he does not break. I contacted all and is just like losing his
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ever loving mind. And so I ended up just kind of laughing and just keep on walking by and
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go on and eat my lunch. And I don't know, probably two hours later, I get to Harold,
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and we're down by this little chapel area. And we're just kind of hanging out and talking
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for a few minutes. And he's like, you'll never guess what happened. He's like, as way over
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by this, uh, English building. And whenever I was walking past his English building, this
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guy just in the middle of this open area with dozens of people around locks eyes with me
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and just starts going ballistic, just cussing, rain, Raven, everything across the board.
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And he was like, it was a weirdest thing. I was like, you've got to be kidding me, man.
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And so anyways, we both just felt like it was whatever demon was inside that person saw
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the spirit of God that was in both of us, resonated so clearly in that moment. And we
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ended up maybe a day later, we ended up seeing him out and ended up talking to him and he
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was calmer. And we both ended up because we were trying to find him and we ended up getting
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him to the chapel. And, uh, he walked down there. He was kind of like, well, what's going
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on? I was like, I always just want to show you something. We want to go down. We want
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to like tackle you and pray for you and lay hands on you. And, and that guy went absolutely
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nuts once we got him down there and started praying for him. You know, and, and I mean,
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it was a, it was a casual process of talking to him and genuinely just wanting to know
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more about the guy's life and everything else. We go, we want to pray for you. And he's
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like, no, no, no. And then we just started praying for him and laying hands on him.
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The guy ended up biting me inside my arm, not draw blood, left Mark, everything else
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and just bolt it out. And we never saw him again. I mean, it was just one of the most
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eerie, just off the wall, you know, demonic oppression situations that I've ever. Now
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I all of a sudden feel super jealous that you guys have experienced this level. By the
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way, that assent from darkness was written by Michael Lee hand. Michael Lee hand was
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a guy that I was talking about. Right. I mean, do you have any like cool, like demon stories
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or you like me? I don't know if it's like a demon story. I really got to be cooler than
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that one or don't tell. I mean, it's some one up only right now. I mean, I was in Seattle
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one time. Well, that's basically. Yeah. Yeah. Close. There's a, there's a lot of crazy
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people there. Um, what's crazy was, I mean, it wasn't a really a demon story, but it's,
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it's a pretty crazy story. So you we all know that the Oklahoma City Thunder came from the
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Seattle Super Sonics. I'm walking around downtown Seattle with my wife where, you know, having
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a good time going to go walk to the market or something like that. This crazy homeless
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lady comes up and screams in my face. We're going to get our basketball team back from
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you. And I was like, how did you know I was from Oklahoma? You were like, I didn't have
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anything that said Oklahoma City or anything. I was like, I was like, well, you know what,
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I just chalked it up to just crazy homeless people, but you got that okey look to you,
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I do that, that homely look. Yeah. Hopefully not drop dead gorgeous bro. Wait, you know,
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it's just it kind of is what it is. But okay, guys, we've diverted a lot about this is my
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fault because I wanted to hear about Colts. And then we started talking about sighting.
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And so we need to get into to Nehemiah 11. So of all the chapters in Nehemiah, this is
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the one that is the most skippable. At least you would think so. But again, as I've said
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with several other chapters in Nehemiah, there is a whole lot here. And even before we started
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recording this, Ryan, you were you were talking about something that we see in the first couple
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of verses where it talks about. Yeah. So here's a great it. Well, just real quick, this chapter
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as a whole chapter 11 as a whole shows that it wasn't enough to rebuild the walls. That wasn't
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enough. Because I think we mentioned this back when we were talking about Nehemiah two or three
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or something like that, you had to rebuild the people, not just the walls, but you had to rebuild
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the people. And you have to repopulate and fortify this new center of worship, this new covenant,
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this new area, this rebuilt part of Jerusalem. So go ahead. Yeah. So if we look at it, you know,
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I was kind of just looking over this chapter. I was like, a lot of names remind me of Nehemiah
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three. Yeah. I was like, how do I up those guys? So then Joby thinks I'm awesome. That's right.
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So Joby, you listening? But no, one thing that I looked at was the verses stood out to me is,
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"And the people blessed all the men who willingly offered to live in Jerusalem."
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Yeah. First two. Yeah. So guys came in that were willingly like, hey, I want to,
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I want to live in Jerusalem. And they blessed them. It's like, how bad was Jerusalem at this time?
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You know, do we build a wall with a vacant city, you know? And so, and then what does that city
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look like? And then kind of where are these guys coming from? Did they already establish a life
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beforehand? Are they taking a leap of faith to say, hey, I want to give up everything that I have
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now? And I'm going to go into the city of Jerusalem and I'm going to, I'm going to repopulate it.
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So I think it's just something that we want to look at is, you know, how do you come to that
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decision? How do we come to that decision as Christians that we're like, you know what,
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this is a church. This is my community. How can I help grow it? How can I disciple these people?
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And basically these guys are coming in there and doing some discipleship.
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Yeah, because it would seem like a moot point or something not worth mentioning
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if, you know, one out of, you know, certain guys raised their hand and volunteered to come back
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because it's like, okay, if you volunteer to go live in San Diego, like perfect weather all the
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time, marine layer, all that kind of stuff, it's like, okay, are you really sacrificing? But it'd
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be another thing to raise your hand and be like, Hey, I'm moving to Compton or something to be
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just feel different. So it seems like there's something there that, yeah, it's worth mentioning
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that these men did something that, you know, was substantial. Because after that, they had to start
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casting lots. Like it's like now it's a lottery. Right. And you guys, one out of 10, I think, yeah,
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one out of 10 Jews went into and preceding that and help me out. Maybe, maybe you can
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clarify this in a different way. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. But the very first of the first verse.
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Now the leaders of the people dwelt at Jerusalem. So there was already the leaders that were there.
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And then you had the group of people that were willing to offer themselves to be there.
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And then they cast lots to have additional that were there. So there was really three separate
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classes of people that chose to be able to come in and habit the city, build the city to be
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everything that they knew it could be and needed to be. And then if you look at, you know, we have
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the priests, we have the chiefs of the province, the priests and the Levites and the temple servants,
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like coming into the city, you were going to serve some role. You were either going to go look for
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firewood for the burning altar, or you're going to do something in regards to how the city should
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grow. And so when you're leaving what you've established, and then you know that you're going
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to have to go and work even harder, which they've already I feel like worked hard anyways to build
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this wall. You know, it's like, hey, we've done all this hard work. God's provided for us. I mean,
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they did what 52 days? Yeah, they built a wall around a city in 52 days. You know, it's like,
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well, we've already done this. Like, now we've got it. We've got to populate the city. We've got
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to bring back the glory of God through Jerusalem. And I think yeah, go ahead. Okay. One of the
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commentaries I was reading to was just that, I mean, yes, it's one out of 10. So obviously,
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it wasn't a desirable place or saying, you know, okay, that's enough. So but one of the things that
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they mentioned was that a lot of this, I mean, we're talking about the city of God, right? I mean,
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it's it's a target to some degree. So part of the reason to populate it was for protection, right?
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So I mean, this is a dangerous thing you're going to go do in a place that's not necessarily
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desirable, that's still under construction. So I mean, there was there was a lot of reasons not to go.
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When you why rebuild the walls before you rebuild the city? Well, because at this time,
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like you you can't rebuild something that could be so easily torn down again, you need to fortify
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it first. You know what I thought is how many people owned land in other areas? They had crops,
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they had homes, you know, they were already established with potentially legacy, wealth
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and preparedness that was there in other locations. But yet they knew either a the second group,
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they were blessed by the Lord because they offered to be able to come. They basically gave away or
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sold, you know, everything that they had to be able to move into the city. And then the others,
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you know, they had to choose one out of 10. Well, was it because they had to leave everything that
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they knew, the communities that they knew, the potential descendants like grandkids or kids that
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were already married in other areas and they had to leave their families to be able to come
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to repopulate to do what God had asked them to do in this season?
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Well, and one thing we don't know from verse one, Robert is okay. So the leaders
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dwelt or mine says they lived in Jerusalem. Is this like a when you move onto a job site
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and you're you're living their temporarily type situation? Do these guys have, you know, is this
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their secondary property and their primary property is somewhere else? Like, I don't know that from
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the text. Well, Nehemiah is a leader there and he leaves and goes back goes back to Artaxerxes.
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Right. And we see that in the next chapter. And so I think a lot of these guys stood there. I
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think it was kind of like a place where, you know, you lived during, you know, like you said,
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like on the job of a place to live. I think another thing to look at too is, you know,
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one out of every 10 Jews. So the other nine lived on outside of the city on land. So they were
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farmers. So even those nine who weren't didn't even come to the city still play a role. And, you
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know, how are you going to feed the city? We need farms. You know, how are we going to build?
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We need builders. We need clay. We need grass. We need hay. We need, you know, however they're
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building something like everybody, they were building a community. And I think it's amazing
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thing to look at. I think we see four different times where there's a number four or five.
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There's a number given, right? I mean, every one of these people that decided to go is very
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valuable. Right. You know, it's like verse six, eight, 13, 18, 19, they give exact numbers.
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And their sons of sons of Perez was 468 able men and so on and so forth. So everyone was very
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valuable. Well, and the good thing about that as well is I underline this because I read from the
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ESV in verse six, all the sons of Perez who lived in Jerusalem were 468 valiant men.
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And then you go again in the ESV to verse 14 and their brothers mighty men of valor 128.
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And I mean, like I literally wrote on the side of verse 14 gangster title, like imagine being
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part of like the mighty men of valor. But this was something just think about this though.
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This document was circulating at this time. Let's say the men from who are they talking about,
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son of Azerl and anyway, let's say these men weren't mighty or valorious. They would have been
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called out during this time period. That's something that gets missed in a chapter of oh,
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it's just names and numbers and things like that. It's like, this is something that circulated.
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That's why when you look at the gospel accounts of Jesus's life, these stories and these documents
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were circulating during time periods when these people were still alive. And so if you were using
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their names or their areas incorrectly, it would have been called out. So I think that that's a
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really, really important thing. Also, you earn the title of valiant. You learn the title of being
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a mighty man of valor because you're a battle tested. Right. So how many times did they defend
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at the walls, people that were trying to come in? They were obviously under constant attack
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or it would appear that they're earning those titles because they have fended off an attack
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that continues to keep oppressing them. Well, and Robert, I think the point there is,
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again, these were all real people that lived at a real time and they actually sacrificed.
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But we live in a day where you might personally sacrifice and we look at sacrifice like,
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I'm not, I'm giving up candy for land. And that's like a sacrifice or something like that.
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But these men listed here, they sacrificed for the betterment of their community and their people.
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Not only in modernity, do we not look at ourselves as a people? Right. We don't really see ourselves
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that way. There are some groups that maybe look at that and they do it by immutable characteristics,
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like the level of melanin in their skin, let's say, but how many people do that today or would do
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that today where they would sacrifice something of theirs or something, you know, because they're
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modeling headship for their family. And we'll talk more about that in a second. They're sacrificing
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something of their household for the betterment of some other group. We just don't really see a lot
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of that in our modern culture. We don't see community anymore because modern culture is all about
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self. It's all about my truth. So there is no, there is no, there's, there is no community anymore
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because it's all about me. And that's my wife and I talked about this like a couple of days ago.
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It's like, man, remember the days when you like, you could just, you just knew your neighbors
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and you had this relationship with them, like you trusted them with your kids,
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you were, you know, you could, they could go over to the person's house and you didn't have to worry
26:24
about anything. And it's not like that anymore. It's like, we don't have the community that we
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once had. And if you look back through Nehemiah and just seeing the building of this community,
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they all work together. They all, they all worked for the better good, but we had a, they had a,
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what do you want to say? They had, they had a better understanding of that because they all
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look towards God's covenant, you know, so there, there was something that they all agreed upon. Like
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we talked about in the last episode, like, you can't find anybody to agree 100% here in Edmond,
26:53
Oklahoma. But you, if back in the day, you could find somebody that agreed what morality was,
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you know, and you didn't have to worry about maps or people coming after your children, you know,
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now it's, I don't, there's people I know I still don't trust. Right. Just because of what we've
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dealt with in our society, our society has moved away from what God's covenant, what God's law is
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and what God finds beautiful and morality. And we've, we've made it all about ourselves.
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Well, in some, some of y'all may have missed it. When Ryan said maps, he's not talking about
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random McNally, he was talking about this new term that we've coined in Moderna. And he called
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minor attracted persons. Okay. They're, they're not pedophiles. They're not child rapists. Right.
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They're not people deserving of, you know, a bullet to the back of the head and being left for the
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vultures. These are, they're just minor attracted persons, kind of like your cisgender and your,
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your hetero sexual, like this is just, this is just who they are and how they're wired.
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And I remember saying years ago, years ago, that the next line was going to be pedophilia,
27:58
because it's like 2015 was Oberg felt you guys 2015. Like, that's not that long ago,
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because the argument was, Hey, just, just let us just don't judge us. Just don't talk about it.
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Just let's do what we want in our own homes. And then it was, Hey, let us come out of the darkness
28:11
and let's have civil unions. And then it was like, Hey, you know, just let us get married,
28:15
even though it's not technically the same thing, like just let us get married, you know,
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we need to be able to see our dying spouses in the hospital, like in the hospital won't let us
28:23
in. And so, Hey, let's legislate federally for something that a hospital chain could take care of.
28:28
But yeah, let's let's just leave that aside. And then it was, okay, now we need you to approve
28:33
of our lifestyle. And not just silently approved. Now we need you to vocally approve. Oh, you need
28:39
to bake this cake for she need to whatever. And so I'm basically talking about gay and lesbian stuff.
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But this entire ideology is running down the river towards pedophilia, because especially,
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and we're not going to get too far off on the political side of this. But if you can identify
28:53
as the opposite gender, right, or the opposite sex, you're you're a 12 year old boy that thinks
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you're a girl or has been convinced by your your mom that you're a girl, something like that,
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then why could that 12 year old not consent to a sexual relationship with an adult?
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It's it's fruit of the exact same poisonous tree. And from what we've seen is it's just been this
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little change by little change in society. Because everyone looks back on, Oh, back in the day,
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things were better. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes that's not this is a clear degradation
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of our culture to get to a point where maps is even a thing that you would use to describe a human.
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And I use their own terminology. Right. Exactly. But think about it. If we wouldn't talk about
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back when I was a kid, and we had that community, I think we all agreed on what a woman was. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was just common sense. Like, I just know that if I look down at that neighbor,
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he's going to know what a woman is. You know, but that's the thing. It's like,
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we've got to find something that we can all agree upon. And I think it's God's holy law,
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his morality, that we can all agree on that could build a community. You know,
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everybody wants to build a community on love, but everybody's definition of love is totally
30:06
different. It's not even a biblical or godly definition of love. It's a it's an appeasement.
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And so I think this is the beautiful part about these people here in Nehemiah that they through,
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you know, their own sacrifice through their own coming to knowledge of God's law,
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and their and their redemption of it. You know, they have something to agree upon.
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That's what we talked about last week, the seals, like these people sign their names because this
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is truth to them. Right. And they've all they've all defined truth and are building a community on it.
30:42
Where do you want to say some Rob? There's a couple of different paths that we were kind of
30:45
going down. And I just wanted to kind of figure out which way to go back with it. And, you know,
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I think to what you were talking about just a few seconds ago is I think what the idea is,
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how do we erode truth? Because if we can erode truth and your truth is different than my truth,
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then it's easy for them to be able to mask the sick, demented version of what they want as a
31:06
truth that everyone if they deny that truth, then they can oppress them. They can say and they can
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label it as some kind of, you know, racism or, you know, some sort of bigotry, some kind in some
31:20
ways, you know. And so, I don't know, no, please go ahead. It was all just a breakdown of like the
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where it all started was that all truth is relative. Right. Is that the that's the only absolute truth.
31:32
Is it all truth is relative, which is illogical, which is a statement that either includes itself
31:37
or excludes itself. Right. Because I remember sitting down talking to a buddy of mine back in
31:41
the day and he's like, Hey, man, all truth is relative. And I said, does that statement include
31:44
itself? Right. And he just kind of looked at me and smiled and I was like, you see, you see,
31:49
like the these are the downstream consequences of a postmodern worldview, because some people
31:54
talk about postmodernism, they don't exactly know what it is, but is the absolute destruction
31:57
of truth, because how can you erode a culture from the inside? Because it's one thing to be attacked,
32:03
you know, at your beaches, or someone flying over the top of you, it's another thing to erode you
32:08
away from the inside by saying there is no truth, because you can't say a girl is a boy, unless
32:15
truth is in question. And then you have people that will create their own truth, Ryan, my truth,
32:20
which my truth is that sex and gender are different. But they're not they're different words, but
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they're not different things. And so again, I don't want to get too far out there, but that's
32:29
still an important discussion for a lot of folks. So rapid truth is relative. It kind of reminds me
32:34
of atheism. You know, it's like, I don't believe in God, but they're you're basically saying there's
32:38
a God you don't believe in. Right. Oh, what's the quote? It's like, I don't believe in God and I'm
32:45
so mad at him. Yeah, it's just like, okay, like, you're so mad about all these these things in the
32:50
world. But it's like, look, if we're highly evolved to go, then what exactly are you mad about?
32:54
Like we're just we're dancing to our DNA as it were. But one thing that I found interesting
32:58
getting back to Nehemiah 11 is the moody Bible commentary, which is which is a great document.
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You guys should definitely check that out. It's it's a one volume commentary. But they list some
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things here that I think are important for our discussion, because as you're reading through Nehemiah
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11, I get it, guys, seems tedious, seems laborious. But there are some things to point out. And so
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there's three of them. So depending on time, we'll get into all three. But I want to talk about the
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first one here. The nature of God that knows his people by name. So as you read through 11,
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and it's, you know, these names that you've never seen before, maybe you don't know how to pronounce.
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But the importance of that part of it is that the nature of God that knows his people by name.
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And if God knows you by name, does it also follow that he would give you a task for his glory?
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The answer is yes. And we see that all throughout the book of Nehemiah up to this point.
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Definitely. I mean, it just kind of goes back to, you know, God knows us all by name. Like he
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knows everything about us. He knew it as before we were in our mother's womb before we were even
34:01
born. And like it's a little bit easier for me, but knows every hair on his on your head, you know,
34:06
for those of you just listening, Ryan is super bald. I'm super bald. So not by you knows how many
34:12
hairs should have been on your head. I love that. He just made a few perfect heads. The rest he
34:16
covered with hair. But no, I mean, it really does. It points out, you know, that God knows all these
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people by name and what they're doing with inside, you know, this new Jerusalem, you know, the priests,
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the Levites, the gatekeepers, the overseers, you even get down to like the woodsmen, the farmers,
34:33
you know, like everybody is called out on what they're doing. And then you have to look at these
34:37
guys and the names that they that he's calling out. He's calling out these people by names, but
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look how many family members they have, you know, Azarel, the son of Azai, son of Melachi, son of
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Amir, and their brothers, mighty men of valor, 128, you know. And so he's calling out these
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families, like think of these men that that we're talking about and like what they've done
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inside of Jerusalem and how they're discipling and how they're how they're leading their families.
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I mean, it gives me something as a father who doesn't have 128 people to really oversee. I have,
35:15
you know, three kids and a wife, and it just shows me that, hey, man, I need to take a step up. You
35:20
know, I need to be, you know, an overseer of my family and and show them, you know, and disciple
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them on, you know, what God wants wants to prepare us for. And the fact that just God's nature is eternal,
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right? His nature was the same then as it is for us now, and that he knows his people, he knows us,
35:39
and he calls us to a specific purpose. I think there's a lot of just men that are floundering
35:44
right now, you know, they just don't feel the directionless, they're passionless, you know,
35:50
they they're they're they have a lack of discipline and what they do, and that God has called us to
35:57
something and he's called us to something that's great, and we have to move to action, you know,
36:01
to be able to be that and it's going to be uncomfortable, you know, and but in the midst of that, I think,
36:07
having a peace and knowing that God knows us, he's called us, he's going to carry us through this,
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and on the other side of it is going to bring about not just his glory, but it's going to bring
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about our peace because I think our peace is connected with his glory. Yep. Well, Robert,
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and part of that is because we have no sense of responsibility. We assume that whatever is going
36:28
to happen is going to happen because someone else, I don't need to teach my kid how to level
36:33
his swing out. He's got a coach for that. I don't need to teach my kid the Bible. That's what VBS is
36:38
for. That's what I want us for, like those types of things, which I guess that actually really gets
36:42
into the next thing that that Moody pointed out about Nehemiah 11, which is power and responsibility
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of an individual to represent his family and community through spiritual headship. There's a lot
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there, so I'm going to say it again slowly. Power and responsibility of an individual to represent
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his family and community through spiritual headship. So a book that's been mentioned a lot on my show
37:10
and a lot at the forging table is Family Shepherds by Vody Bockum. First time, I was very familiar
37:15
with Vody Bockum, but it wasn't until I went over to the Horn's house for dinner a few years ago,
37:20
and he handed me a copy of this book. It's one of Vody's older books. But basically, you could
37:25
summarize the book like, Hey, here's how you catechize your family. Here's how you set the
37:30
spiritual thermostat for your household and not just, you know, be the passive spiritual thermometer.
37:37
But we see again the list of names, this useless list of names. No, these are people that had a
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responsibility to do something and they had, but it was something that they had to choose to do.
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They had to choose to step into the role of headship, which is bigger than leadership. It's
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bigger than being the manager over a project. But to lead your family and your community well.
37:59
But that's part of the thing, Robert, why do we see such listless kids, boys, little boys walking
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around. Fatherlessness is an epidemic of all races across across the board in America. It's only
38:12
getting worse with each successive generation. So we're not seeing manhood and headship modeled.
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At the same time, we're seeing Christian faith in America basically go off a cliff. And so it's
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like, who are these boys to be learning from? Like, they're going to be learning from the other
38:28
boys at school that also have smartphones and are looking at porn and murder videos and blah,
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blah, blah. At the age of nine, because their parents thought it'd be a great idea to give
38:36
their kid an unlocked iPhone. Like, again, they're going to take their cues from culture.
38:41
And we don't have to go very far to talk about the type of culture that we're living in right
38:46
now. We're steeped in this godless self worship. I think Ryan, you were talking about self worship.
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That's the culture that we're steeped in right now. So imagine what it was like for them certainly
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2,500 years ago to step into a role of headship. But it's the same as true now. It just maybe is a
39:01
little bit more difficult. We talk about self worship, you know, I just think of like the issues
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that they had when they broke their covenant was like not taking care of the Sabbath, not making it
39:10
holy idolatry of other gods. And it's like, we've created ourself as God, like in our culture,
39:18
like we don't even respect the God who's who's above us. We respect ourselves. And I think it
39:24
just comes down to is like, we've got to catechize our kids. It's our job as fathers to lead our
39:30
wives lovingly. And with care and same with our children. I like Kyle, I like what you say about
39:37
daughters, like you don't have any daughters. But I have a daughter and I want my daughter to
39:42
look at me as like, as Aslan, you know, like this loving this loving guy who who's not never going
39:49
to hurt her who's going to always protect her. But know that there's a fire in dad that is
39:53
something where to happen to her. I'm going fully amnescent. Yeah, she only sees the lamb.
39:57
But she knows the lines. She knows the line. And that's what my kids like if you Kyle's been
40:02
to my house many times, I mean, we've got the lion and the lamb everywhere. Because I want
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my children to know who Christ is Christ is the lamb. And he is the lion. My son in his
40:10
in his bedroom has a lion and a lamb. And he is always like, and roar. He's like one years old,
40:16
but he's going to know that there is going to be he's going to have to leave at some point. And
40:20
he's going to have to lead with loving grace. But he's also going to have to leave with fire and
40:24
fervor. And that's where I feel like our church and can't even blame churches. We have to blame
40:30
ourselves in the churches as disciples. How are we discipling men in our church? How are we lifting
40:36
them up to show them, Hey, let's be men of honor. Let's be men of of grace and let's be men of truth
40:45
in scripture. And how can we push that further? And I think that's what churches are missing right
40:49
now. And it's a it's a call for us men to step up. I mean, we have to step up and help our brothers.
40:55
Well, and we're seeing, I mean, society wide, right? It's the feminization of of men. And how that,
41:02
you know, every every man that acts in a biblical and ship way that it's actually toxic.
41:08
So, you know, I think like in this list of names here, he's talking about the son of the son of
41:15
and he's mentioning all this and pointing out their heritage. And they're there. And then, you know,
41:19
that from the tribe of Benjamin and Judah. So there's a lot of heritage talk here, because it means
41:25
something. You know, I mean, it's not, I don't think they're going to point out all these things and
41:29
say son of this and that person and then talk about how their brothers and valiant warriors,
41:34
if it didn't mean something. Right. So, you know, you look at, and I think we discount what kids,
41:40
boys and girls get from their dads in society and from their moms as well. But
41:45
just that, that kind of the leadership of, you know, I am the head of this family,
41:52
but it's because Christ is the head of my life. So, I mean, those are, those are what kind of
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stands out to me on that, that list of people. Well, and it's you're pointing something out, Caleb,
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it's it's forced androgyny. We want our women to be more masculine, and we want our men to be more
42:08
feminine. Again, if you're going to destroy a people group, you have to take them in out,
42:14
because this is pointed out a long time ago, there was a anthropologist that did this study,
42:18
and he pointed something out that is obvious. But the way he said it, it blew my mind.
42:23
Culture, we default to elevating women, which people are like, no, you don't like this is
42:28
patriarchal culture. No, show up to any church on Father's Day and show up to any church on
42:32
Mother's Day and see who has lifted up. Okay. But the way that this guy, I apologize, I can't
42:38
remember his name, but the way this guy described it is if you're going to destroy a people group,
42:42
you, you don't take out the men you take out the women. And this is why, why I'm saying that,
42:50
is because a womb is infinitely more valuable than sperm. So let's say you've got a tribe,
42:57
you know, for whatever reason, there's no kids, but it's just men and women, 50 men, 50 women,
43:01
and you're in the tribe that's on the other side of the hill, and you're going to come over and
43:04
take this group out. You could kill none of the women and all the men, but one, and that people
43:09
group will survive. That one man will be busy, but that people group will survive. But if you flip it,
43:15
and you kill all the women except one and leave the man, that people group is destroyed. And so,
43:22
we're feminizing the men to where they don't even see themselves as protect protector,
43:28
provider, pro creator, they don't see themselves in those roles. And you're taking the women
43:33
out of the role that makes them a superhero. You're, you're making them devalue their wombs
43:40
by one, making sure there's never a baby in there whatsoever because of maybe it's birth control
43:46
or abortion, or they're not really focused on a family right now because they've got more to
43:51
accomplish in their, in their career first. You know, maybe when I'm 40, when my biological
43:57
clock is basically ticked to zero, maybe I'll start thinking about a family then.
44:00
You see, you're, you're, you're eroding things away from, from what the actual setup has been given
44:07
by God. That's why when we talk about in Ephesians five, and you talk about the role of a man,
44:12
it's so important to remember that God has given us the responsibility as men of headship to,
44:19
to show our little girls that the value of being under the leadership of a godly man,
44:26
because it's not teaching your daughter. Yeah, one day you're going to have to listen to a guy
44:29
that's going to tell you what to do. It's like, no, like how beautiful is it for you to be under
44:34
the headship of a godly man? How amazing is it when you walk into a household where the man of God
44:39
is in control and is taking his role seriously? Those women aren't oppressed. Those kids aren't
44:45
under the thumb of a totalitarian inside of that household. It's beautiful because it's
44:50
right ordering of things. I know I kind of went a lot of different directions, but I think it was
44:54
amazing that you talked about women in childbirth. It just brought me back to a first Timothy 215,
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but women will be preserved through childbirth. They continue in faith, sanctity, and with moderation.
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Yeah, we talked about that on a way back when we started this, and it's just it's true. It's like,
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you know, women aren't going to be saved because they're having babies. That's not what saves them.
45:12
That's not what it gives them salvation. It's how we're going to be preserved through our line.
45:15
It's how we're going to grow more Christian. And they're not going to be preserved by the
45:18
corner office job, by an extra, you know, a handbag or something like that, which again,
45:23
degradation of culture, that is what women have been taught. They've been masculinized in a way.
45:28
Again, look at it this way. And I'm getting way off and we need to wrap up here soon. But like,
45:33
think about the number of women you see now that are, I want to be careful. They're a little,
45:37
they're butchy in their physical appearance, like they're there. And I'm all for when working
45:43
out and lifting weights and doing things to be healthy to, you know, stave off aging. But you see
45:47
these frumpy, dopey guys. And then you see these jacked women and they're together. And it was,
45:53
it was a joke 10 years ago, oh, you know, the dad bod, that's that's the new six pack. And it's like,
45:58
no, what we're seeing is a deeper sickness within our culture, where we're looking at men are
46:05
defaulting to their women to be strong for them. They're defaulting to their women. Hey, you provide.
46:11
Think about the growth of stay at home dads. Like, and like, again, depending on circumstances,
46:16
maybe that's okay. But it's like, man, that is, that is a downstream consequence of an erosion
46:21
of who God has told men in culture to be and women in culture to be. And yeah, it absolutely
46:26
goes back to first Timothy too. The last thing as a father, I want to do is walk into my kids and
46:31
say, I'm your mother now. Yeah. So I just want to be able to be like, I'm your father, I'm a leader,
46:37
you know, your mom is just as much as a leader as I am in this, in this household. But we work on
46:43
this together. But I do oversee what goes on here. You know, it's like, it's like, it's coming back
46:49
to like complimentarianism, you know, and Eve, Eve didn't come from Adam's head. So she's not above
46:54
him. And he didn't, she didn't come from his foot. She's not below him. She came from his rib. So our
46:59
wives work with us side by side. And so, but the thing is, is we have a little bit more responsibility.
47:06
And if you look at God's design for the church is, you know, that men are, men are like Christ and
47:11
women are the church. And we need to, we need to treat our women as, as the church. And so there,
47:16
there's a point of overseeing there that we take on that greater responsibility. Like our pastor
47:21
takes on the greater responsibility of, of a pastoring us, because he's going to be judged
47:25
harsher. Right. Then we are, but I'm also going to be judged as a father and as a man of my house,
47:30
as an overseer. How did I treat my wife? Was I abusive and a jerk? Or was I loving and treated
47:36
her as the weekly vessel? Not that she's weak, but that she's emotionally different than I am.
47:41
Right. We all have intrinsic value, but we've been given distinct roles. And so that's actually
47:47
the third thing that that Moody pointed out on this and we'll wrap up by, by talking about this.
47:51
But it's the Judeo-Christian affirmation of the intrinsic value of all people.
47:56
Again, within its right ordering, but the Judeo-Christian affirmation of the intrinsic value of all
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people, as you're reading Nehemiah 11, these are all valuable people in name and in deed.
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And the deeds were done as leaders of households and leaders of communities.
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And that is something we just diminish now. Like, I mean, Robert, this goes back to what
48:18
you're talking about earlier. How many men don't even, they don't even worry about the fact that
48:24
they're not leading their families spiritually. They're, we're so happy to default in our smartphone
48:29
generation. So the hitting the easy button and the easy button is, I'm going to turn my brain off.
48:35
I'm going to get ready for another fancy football draft. I'm going to go play Call of Duty. I'm
48:38
going to go golf. I'm going to go look at porn and jerk off. I'm going to go do something else
48:42
that serves me because I've set up a life. I work a job and I can pay for them to do the
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activities where someone else can raise them. Kind of pulls back into two things. One is,
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initially, when you talked about the self-god mentality that we have, and I think as men,
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sometimes we, we think in that self-god, that God of self that we prey upon the altar of
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entertainment and comfort. Those are the two things that hold us. And so in and coming back to
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where you were at, Kyle, talking about that intrinsic value, I think a lot of times because
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we're held praying in this entertainment and comfort that we don't place a significant
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and none of value in the role that God has called us to be the father that is active, to be the
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husband that is passionately leading his children in prayer and his wife Sunday morning to go to
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church. And that is valuing his wife's role at the house or his wife's role in helping out that we
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are, we have lessened, I think, the value, which is sometimes it's our, it's our complicit nature
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in this devaluing and then the women on the other side. Obviously, they have lost the value of what
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their role is to giving them that complex. It's just a distorted, you know, kind of you that it's
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taken. I mean, we're talking about a lot of words that really don't mean much to the outside
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world, which is like headship masculine feminine leadership things like this. Like these are words
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that they kind of freak out about, you know what I mean? When in reality, all that means is like,
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this is the way like you mentioned Ryan with a pastor of a church, it's like a great pastor
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of a church, you're going to know because their people are flourishing. Right. Right. So being
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discipled. Absolutely. Same thing with a family, right? I mean, if there's a you can tell by if
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the kids in the and spouse, the wife is flourishing, that that that guy is taking care of business
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as in his headship role. To your point about discipling, like we all have to realize our
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our children are being discipled by something. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the question of what is it,
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right? And it's the same thing we've heard, you know, most of our lives is like, I mean,
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show me your show me your bank account, show me how you spend your time. That's what's
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discipling you. So, you know, I mean, that's a that's again, a gut check. I'm saying that to myself.
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My wife and I had an interesting conversation last night, you know, we were talking about
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Mother's Day and Father's Day and just kind of how you celebrate those. And you brought that up.
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And, you know, my wife, she homeschools because we want to give her kids a biblical education.
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So she takes on a lot of within our house, you know, having the kids home during schools is
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it's kind of crazy. But it's been great watching her do her thing because she's a she's a school
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teacher. And she's just around the kids 24/7, you know, even when I'm gone, she's with them even
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longer. And so Mother's Day is, you know, I try to get her out like, hey, go get a massage manicure
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pedicure. But she's like, it blows my mind on Father's Day. You just want to be with the kids.
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And I was like, we're like, yeah, you know, we kind of get is because I'm gone. Like,
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I'm I'm trying to provide for a family. But then I'm also wanting to be with my kids because who
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else is teaching my kids? If it's not me and her teaching my kids, who else could be teaching them?
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And that's another reason why we brought into homeschool, which is a different subject. But
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it's just looking at the difference between men and women, you know, she needs that break.
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But I want more of those kids because I don't see them as much. And I think that that leads
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to our desires. And we we we take our cues from things outside the Bible. That's something that
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we do. Again, I made the comment earlier about families that have given their children,
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smartphones at early young ages, neglecting the fact that you're not just giving them access to
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stuff, you're giving bad people access to them through the apps that you're allowing them to
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download, just ignoring that fact in and of itself. Unless they're spending all their time on a
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Bible app of some kind, what types of things are catacizing them to your point, Caleb? It's what
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they see on Twitter. It's what they see on TikTok. It's what they see on Instagram. It's what they
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see there more on friends doing and talking about and also the danger of stream of consciousness.
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Because guys, when we were 13 and we had a thought, it just just disappeared like a fart in the wind
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because it's a thought. Today, that thought goes on Twitter. That thought goes into a video that's
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on TikTok that is sitting on some server in China now. And it's like, we're not allowing
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these kids because I mean, I thought I said stupid stuff yesterday. I've said stupid stuff in the last
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hour. But imagine saying something super stupid that you don't even agree with now that happened
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10 years ago, which could lead you to losing your job today or getting canceled or whatever the type
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of situation is again. We just live kind of in a different time. But guys, we're. Oh, I was about
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to do my outro. You got me all excited. I think it's funny about society. And you bring that up,
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like you could lose your job, but like society wants us to have so much grace on them, but they
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don't want to have grace on other people. Of course, that's why you outro. That's why I tell people
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like you can never bow low enough before the mob do not prostrate yourself before the mob.
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They will not let you off the hook. But guys, we're gonna have to leave our discussion of Nehemiah
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11 there. But come back next Sunday where we will dig into Nehemiah 12. So guys, make sure that you
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