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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast, I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table, the mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push
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back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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So at the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys foraging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with
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us.
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That's Russell, that's Zach, that's Ryan.
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Guys, we're digging in.
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If I look giddy, if I look excited, it's because like I said last week and I teed it up,
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this is my favorite book of the Old Testament and like people, you know, it's kind of easy
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ones like Genesis, Exodus, you know, First Amy, like those are like the cool kids ones
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and everyone's got their proverbs and they got their coffee cups.
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No, for me, it's Nehemiah.
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I get super excited and super giddy about the stories that are going on in Nehemiah.
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And what we're going to do is for anyone that's read Nehemiah before, typically when
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you get into a book like this, it would be really, really important to do a somewhat
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lengthy historical setup because obviously, you know, Ezra and Nehemiah are typically
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like taught together and basically Ezra bleeds into Nehemiah and those types of things.
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We're not going to do a whole lot of that today because Nehemiah three is there's there's
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not a whole lot there in terms of what's going on because Nehemiah three gets into who's working
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on what areas of the walls and everything and we'll get there.
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So we're going to spend a lot of time in Nehemiah three talking about the whole context of what
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we've been talking about here, but just in general, Nehemiah likely takes place, you know,
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what's written down here takes place between 445 and 432 B.C. and this is in the Persian
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Empire in the near East.
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And so I'm actually going to just kind of read through this and maybe we can take some different
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chunks here and then we'll kind of break down the different parts of this story.
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And as of the recording of this, guys, I've not done my throat surgery yet.
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So who knows what was going to end up looking like this.
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So in order to save me, I'm going to have you smart guys read a little bit.
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So Russell, how about you go ahead and read Nehemiah versus Nehemiah one versus one through
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three, three, and then we'll dig in from there.
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Oh, great.
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That's got the fun words there.
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Yeah, don't mess up.
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I was like, I just, I don't want to be sound dumb by mispronouncing things.
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So have fun.
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You're good.
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So I'm reading from Nazbi.
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So the first one, the words of Nehemiah, the son of Hekaliah.
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Now it happened in the month of Kislev in the 20th year while I was in Sousa, the capital
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that had an eye, one of my brothers and some men from Judah came and I asked them concerning
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the Jews who had escaped and had survived the captivity and about Jerusalem.
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They said to me, the remnant there in the province who survived the captivity are in
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great distress and approach.
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And the wall of Jerusalem is broken down and its gates are burned with fire.
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So the thing about this is so to break down a couple of things.
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So the month of Kislev, that's the ninth month.
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So we're looking like November, December, that's the time period.
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The other cool thing about this is you can just easily buzz through that stuff, you know,
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especially if you're a red letter person and you just don't want to dig into any detail.
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But this is almost like, Hey, test us in this, like this is a historical fact that you can
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go back and check out.
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And so the 20th year that's also mentioned there in verse one, like this would be during
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Artaxerxes's reign.
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And so this would be approximately 13 years or so after Ezra's arrival in Jerusalem.
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And again, we'll get probably way more into that when we discuss Nehemiah three, but then
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in verse three, the walls were likely destroyed.
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And if you want a reference to when this potentially happened, because they don't know for sure
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for sure.
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But Ezra four versus seven through 23, that's likely the description of what happened that
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caused this damage in Jerusalem to begin with.
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There are a couple of other thoughts in terms of what that looks like.
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That one in my research seemed to be the most likely, but I did find it interesting that
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he even inquired as to the status of the city.
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And that's one of the things that talks about because there was another thing that was destroyed
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earlier.
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And so it would have been like old hat like, yeah, they've been destroyed, but as we'll
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see here in a second, he seemed to be genuinely shocked at, you know, basically the status
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of what was happening there in that area.
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So was there anything else from the first three verses there, because that's really just
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kind of a springboard for the rest of it.
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But was there anything else that you guys saw from your commentaries?
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I think that was something that came up in several commentaries that I read, just that
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candidly he was interested in his people, right?
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So he's he's in the Persian Empire and you'll find later, and he's a cup bear.
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So he's like got status and he's right next to the king of Persia, but he really wants
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to know what's going on back in Jerusalem.
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He really wants to know what's going on back then, and he really cared about his people
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and he cared about the heritage.
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And he knew that, you know, what he knew the promises that were, you know, stated for Jerusalem.
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And so I think for us, kind of the takeaway there is, you know, I can't be ignorant to
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what's going on around me, and I know that, you know, it's convicting for me as I think
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about that.
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Sometimes, you know, ignorance is bliss, to be honest, and in our world today, there's
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a lot of negative things going on and a lot of things going on, even geopolitically, that
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I'm unaware of, and I need to be more aware of it.
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I mean, I think the Lord wants me to be more aware of it because it impacts, you know,
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what I can pray for and how I can be involved.
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So I just think that his desire to want to know what's going on in Jerusalem is important.
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That's good for sure.
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Anything else on those first three verses, guys?
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Yeah, I thought it was just providential, how that, you know, he was put into that place
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of power in the Persian kingdom, the cut bear, basically the right-hand man to the king at
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the time, and then he hears, you know, about Jerusalem, which had been destroyed for quite
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a while, I understand, and he hears that and he's just immediately affected by his people.
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Like Russell said, like, bam, just hit him right in the heart, and he was like, okay,
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at some point, I've got to figure out how I can be helpful.
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And just to me, how God was preparing that for so long, you know, through however long
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Jerusalem had been destroyed before Nehemiah had even heard of it.
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God's preparing this part of Scripture.
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And then how, you know, if Nehemiah hadn't inquired, you know, do the walls get rebuilt?
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Is Jerusalem what it is today?
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Just really was a providential for me when I was reading it.
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Yeah, go and read verse four, four, so that as soon as I heard these words, I sat down
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and wept and mourned for days, and I continued fasting and praying before the God of heaven.
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So there are like four keywords to me in that.
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And so we're reading the ESV here on this side, wept, mourned, fasting, praying.
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He's doing all those things for the status of a city he's never been to.
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Yeah, and it's 800 miles away.
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Never been there.
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Yeah, it's like I was just saying, just really blew me away that he was even that affected
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just from hearing that the walls were burned down.
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I can't even think of a corollary today because typically, you know, did everybody grow up
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in Oklahoma?
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No.
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Where'd you grow up?
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Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Iowa, Oklahoma.
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So I feel like people when you don't grow up and it's like different if it's like L.A.
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or Seattle or Miami or New York or something like that, but everyone's got like pride for
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their hometown.
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You know, you had pride for your high school, especially if you're an athlete, like because
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you were wearing your town's name when your chest when you went into enemy territory and
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you know, defended your town against this other town.
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Like it's kind of like when people describe what modern day sports is, it's like, this
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is what keeps us from killing each other because back in the day, we would just kill the people
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from the other tribes.
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But now it's like, we pretend to kill them like by playing football or baseball or wrestling
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or something like that, but that always struck me with this story.
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The first time I realized that, wait, he's never been there.
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Like, I don't have a connection to my, well, my dad's hometown is my same hometown, but
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like, let's say it was different.
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Like, who has that level of connection where the status of the walls, right?
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Would lead you to weep, mourn, fast and pray.
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That's like a hint from the very beginning.
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There's something way bigger happening here than crumbled ruinous walls because in this
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time period, like, I was first thing that you did when you conquered a people, you destroyed
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their walls and then you destroyed their people, but I mean, if you destroy their walls and
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they're basically their temple of their town, then you erase their history.
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Right.
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So yeah, and the only thing that I could think of reading through that was, you know, being
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from Oklahoma and natural disasters of tornadoes, you know, you hear about a tornado in a small
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town out in Western Oklahoma and it just took out the whole town.
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You know, Oklahoma understands like we got to come around these people and we have to
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help them.
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And what can I do to help?
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But it's never struck me like it struck me, am I here to drop everything I'm doing and
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travel 800 miles away and try to rebuild their house, you know, of course I want to do that,
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but I know what's going to happen without me.
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Nehemiah actually follows through and is just, it was very impressive reading through there.
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Well, it kind of brings up, uh, what's his name with the Arizona Cardinals?
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Um, Pat Tillman, and how I don't, you know, maybe he's set foot in New York City.
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I don't know, but I can tell you, you know, I've never set foot in New York City.
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When I saw 9/11 happen, uh, I was a sophomore in high school, but still, I mean, like there
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was mourning.
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There was lament and what happened there and you look at somebody like Pat Tillman who
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gave up a career in the NFL to go out and fight the war on terror after what he saw
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happened in 9/11.
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So that's actually a really good point because it's like there's this attachment to these
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are my people, not New Yorkers, Americans.
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And so you attach yourself.
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And I know, uh, when you get into psychological literature, there's a lot of attachment to
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groups.
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And so it's like, you know, you have your immediate group, which is your family and then you have
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your neighborhood and then you have maybe your church or your synagogue or your mosque
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or whatever.
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And you have these like concentric circles of connection to different people.
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But that is really interesting and that that, you know, plays into Zach's point there to
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where it's like, I've grabbed my chainsaw and driven to a city in Oklahoma that I didn't
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even know existed because a tornado came through.
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And I knew that there were going to be people with limbs down and, you know, trash that
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needed to be picked up.
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And it's like, that's ministry, like that, that's just walking the neighborhood, asking
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people if you could help them.
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And again, like you never know when these disasters will strike, but like that's, you're
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literally being the church, you're being the feet of Christ in that moment.
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So yeah, I didn't really think about that.
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That's actually a really good point about, yeah, Pat Tillman probably had never been to
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New York before.
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I don't think you don't miss the point though that like, look what it says it says when
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I heard these words, I sat down in a web and I mourned for days and I was fasting and praying
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before the God of heaven.
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Yeah.
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So before I, I mean, before I jumped and grabbed my chainsaw, chainsaw or whatever, I mean,
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I mourned and I prayed and he asked for God's direction and what he should do there.
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And I think that's really important.
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And, you know, a question I was going to post to you guys is, you know, the concept of fasting.
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I mean, in modern America, you know, is that something that you guys even have, have practiced
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or do practice or, you know, because for me, you know, it's still a relatively new thing.
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I mean, there have been, you know, times when I'm trying to have an extended time with the
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Lord or faster for those seasons, but I would say it's, it's post children that I really
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had the seasons of my life where, you know, I'm fasting for something in particular because
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I just need, I need to kind of clear out the distractions and I need to focus solely on
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what I'm praying about what I'm talking Lord about.
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And so I'm just kind of curious, you know, one, do you guys fast and how do you go about
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doing that?
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But then how do you find those things that you're fasting and praying for?
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Yeah, I would say I clearly have not fasted in a while just by my physique, but you're
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tall.
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You wear it.
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Well, the last couple of years when I did fast, it would be so that I could learn to
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suffer better and when I did and when I felt that hunger, I would go to the Lord and it
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just made me a lot more connected with scripture.
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And it was super beneficial.
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And then I met my wife and she's a foodie like me and how she's pregnant.
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I don't think this is going to air for long enough to where we will have told people we
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haven't yet, but we will hear you are skating up in ice water.
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You do it.
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She's hunger here now is what I'm saying, so no fasting going on currently.
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So the interesting thing with fasting is I've been fasting for years, but not in this context.
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So I've been doing intermittent fasting for probably three or four years.
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It works really, really well.
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My eating window is like 12 to seven or 12 to eight.
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And the thing that is done for me, Zach is a little bit to your thing and I wouldn't call
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it suffering in the same way, but it's like if you're used to eating and you're eating
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windows starting earlier than that, if you shave four or five hours off your off your
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normal eating window and you crunch it into a shorter time period, like it changes your
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attitude.
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Like my attitude towards the morning is like, you know, I'll be up at five or five thirty
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and maybe they're doing jujitsu or lifting and that's I'm six or seven hours away from
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my first calories, right?
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And so part of it is you just get used to it, but then it's just like, you know, that's
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kind of a weird position to put yourself in that you're in a deficit.
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The problem is, and I guess this is where it really comes in for me, is by the time
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noon comes, if there are any delays in me getting food, I have to really be careful
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because it's like, I'm like, I'm going to kill the next person that distracts me from
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this sandwich or from any of these things that are happening.
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And so like the funny thing about it is, yes, I've fasted, but I've almost never pointed
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that fasting in a direction.
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It's always been about my health and cellular strength and all this other random crap that,
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you know, people are deciding that that fasting does and all of that, but I, to be honest,
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I've never even been around people that fasted for periods of time because the Lord was trying
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to show them something or they felt like they were trying to show them something because
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like for me, if I tried to do a short term fast, it's like, I don't know that I would
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change anything.
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It's like, well, I got to, I got to wake up and work out like, okay, I got to get ready
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for a podcast.
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Hey, I got to go record.
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And so I guess that's just none of the crews I've ever ran and really did that.
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I mean, did that, I mean, you kind of grew up in a little bit you were more like a silly
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as a God charismatic, like, is that more or so prevalent in that career?
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I have a family member that is, they're very much charismatic, love him to death.
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He'll actually fast for a month just or he'll fast until he hears like a word from God.
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Like God gives him a word that he can like for each one of his kids.
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And then he'll wait, you won't eat until that happens, which is pretty, pretty extreme
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on my end.
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You look at me right now on camera and you know, I don't go a day without a meal.
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So I feel like fasting is the point of fasting is to to break everything off of you and
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to point everything towards God.
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So sometimes food is not that thing.
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Sometimes maybe it's me watching TV or me reading fiction and not focusing on the word.
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Um, finding a way that when I have that downtime or I have that dead time that I, that I put
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it towards God and put it towards, you know, what he asked for me, but, um, biblically,
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they fasted from food.
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I did the Daniel fast at a life church one time.
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So, uh, that was fun.
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I did that to lose weight.
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Yeah.
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I guess that was probably the last time I did a fast for any particular reason.
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And I guess I was really consumed with the scripture talking about, you know, basically
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not having a scrunched up face while you're fasting and like I didn't do a very good job
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with that back then.
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The funniest thing about my Daniel fast experience, because yeah, you know, you lose weight and
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you do all those different things.
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Like I apparently had no idea how to cook real garlic.
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And so I left the skin or the shell on it and I'm so I'm making this like Daniel fast
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approved, like super whatever.
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And there's literally like garlic skin or lea leaves in there and I'm like, I had no
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idea.
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I just thought it was gross because it was like a, you know, specific for that diet.
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But no, it's, it's that I was a moron like that was a complete difference.
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So that was my, my thing for it.
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The only thing I was going to say about that, and again, I haven't fasted from food or any
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other type of fast much, but in the purpose, did it not that long ago, actually, just to
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really because, you know, I didn't feel like my conversation in my prayer and the Lord
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was, was, I don't know, say deep enough, but there's just so much distraction.
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And I really needed to be like kind of pushed to really focus on the Lord and rely on Lord
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in something that you talk about guys in your foxhole a lot, something that I just want
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to bring this up.
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There's another, you know, older gentleman, a friend of mine.
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And so, you know, we're talking about, we're praying together and I'm, I'm expressing
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some of my prayer requests to him.
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And you know, he mentioned and we usually have a breakfast together and, and I'm not
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eating.
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And he's crying, treating one.
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You know, you don't want to tell people when you're fasting, but obviously I expressed
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to him.
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I was like, I'm fasted with you.
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And it meant a whole lot to me.
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So for that whole day, for, for a 24 hour, almost 36 hour period, and I fasted together.
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It meant a lot to me.
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And I was like, man, that's someone who's in my corner.
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And probably one of the more meaningful things anybody's ever done for me and it seems kind
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of crazy just that someone would be willing to forego something like that with you.
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So just for what it's worth, I think, you know, it's something that I think is meaningful
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when you have people like that in your life.
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Well, Zach, what did you say?
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You said suffering well?
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Like I know a lot of people like in the wrestling wrestling MMA community, things like
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that, like weight cutting.
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And some fighters, you know, in, in some of the biggest organizations, even championship
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level fighters, they're so big, they're so enormous that they, they have to start their
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weight cut weeks in advance.
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And one of the things that you'll see a lot of times, especially in the week of the fight
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when you're doing your kind of final weight cut, and it's, it's more scientific now than
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it was back in the day where you basically put on trash bags and go sweat until you almost
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essentially die.
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It's a much more scientific now, but when you're sitting in the sauna and you're literally
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just sitting there sweating out pounds so that you can get on the scale and, you know, make
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the scale and you can go fight their teammates will be in there in the sauna with them.
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And it's like the coaches that are going to be with them in their corner are suffering
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with them because I mean, there's because you have to be able to trust those guys.
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Yeah.
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And when it's their fight in three months, you're going to be the guy in the sauna with
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them.
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You're in their corner like Russell was saying.
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Well, that's kind of why whenever I talk about the foxhole so much, that's why.
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And I've, I've picked on the model for a long time and I know there's a lot of ministries
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out there that disagree with me, but I hate the men's ministry model of, oh, you don't
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know any of these guys.
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Great.
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Here's your workbook.
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Go and sit in a circle with these guys and y'all are going to talk.
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It's like, oh, I'm going to sit around with these guys that I've accomplished nothing with
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that.
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I have no idea if I can trust.
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I'm just going to supposed to, you know, just let my heart come, come through in these,
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in these moments.
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Right? So for the record, I've worked on Kyle's plumbing.
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That's, I mean, we go way back now.
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Yeah.
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Really close.
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It's, it's a big deal.
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He like, he knows more about me than you would ever want to know.
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But like the thing about it is is I tell people like you've got to accomplish something together.
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That's why I encourage people like doing hard things, jujitsu, rucking, you know, these
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backpacking trips or doing things like that.
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Like that's where you figure out who a guy is.
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That's where you figure out where the liners are, the complainers are, the people that
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you can trust.
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That's what, you know, my buddy, Joby Martin calls.
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He calls your four corner friends.
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So the guys that carried that guy on the mat and you know, you know, busted through this
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dude's roof and like just to get him to Jesus, you know, I call him three AM friends.
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It's those people that you know, regardless of the request, they're ready to throw down.
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And it's like having those types of guys around you.
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And so it's like, you know, maybe that's another corollary for people is like, who are the guys
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in your life that you know would fast with you?
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Like, cause it wasn't like that guy planned.
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He woke up that morning.
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All right, I'm starting to fast today, but who are those guys in your life that you could
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call and be like, I know this is a really weird request and I know you probably got
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plans, but I'm fasting over the next two days and I was hoping you could do that with
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me.
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Yeah, you have guys that are that selfless that will drop it all at the drop of a hat.
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I mean, and you just said it, Joby said is four corner guys.
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I like that a lot because those are the guys carrying the four corners.
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Oh, and you guys call him the, the lower you through the roof friends.
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Right.
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Like that's, that's a different kind of.
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How many miles did they carry the paralytic on that mat, you know, for, you know, 50 miles
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to go to the next town to just to see Christ.
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I mean, that is a.
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Some sort of dedication that we don't even know about.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So good, good stuff on, you know, going into the discussion on fasting.
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Ryan, could you read versus five and six and I said, Oh, Lord, God of heaven, the great
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and awesome God keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him.
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His commandments, let your ear be attentive and your eyes open to hear the prayer of your
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servant that I now pray before you day and night for the people of Israel or servants,
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confessing the sins of the.
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Of Israel, which we've sinned against you, even I, and my father's house have sinned.
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Sorry.
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I, I highlighted a lot there.
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So I kind of lost my track.
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We were literally making fun of them, like a second ago, because it's like, if you highlight
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every word except for three or four words, you might as well not have highlighted anything.
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And then it makes it hard to read.
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It does make it hard to read.
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I've learned my lesson.
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That's okay.
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Thanks for being my four corner guys.
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If you just underline it, it should be good to go.
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But the point is, is like versus four through, uh, through 12, these, these are our four
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through 11 rather.
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This is Nehemiah's prayer.
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And the thing that I found very interesting is that Nehemiah begins his prayer with confession.
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And you would think, well, that's weird.
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Like five minutes ago, you didn't even know like the, the walls, uh, were, were torn down
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and that the people were all depressed and in a bad way.
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And now you're confessing what, what are you confessing?
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And it's like, he understands that there's a generational component to what's happening
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here.
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And also he understands the greater point of like what you were talking about with Pat
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Tillman, New York and just Americans in general, it's like these are his people.
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And he assumes he doesn't want to assume that he has no role in the negativity that is befallen
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his people.
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Well, I think when it comes down to his people is, and, and why they're going through what
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they're going through right now is his people broke the covenant with God and God who brought
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the Persians in as a consequence to the breaking of the covenant.
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And so I've, like you said, this, this prayer is a confessional.
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He pleads for mercy, uh, but also acknowledges his own personal sin in the sin of his community,
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which I think is amazing tying himself in with all Israelites and his heritage and the people
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who broke the covenant he's saying to God in this moment, I am one of them.
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So please, uh, you know, hear my requests and allow me, uh, if it's your will to go be helpful
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in the situation by, yeah, yes, uh, praying and repenting or the heritage of his people.
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I'm going to try to read this again and I hope I don't mess up, but I just follow your
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finger, you know, do it like how they teach the chilens, like I says, Oh Lord God of heaven,
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the great and awesome God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him
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and keep his commandments.
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I mean, we're all fathers here or soon to be fathers here.
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Um, we catechize our children, you know, at least I hope you guys are all catechizing
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your children.
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Um, if you're not, definitely hit me up.
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So, um, but one of the catechisms that, you know, my kids and I go over all the time
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is, um, how can we glorify God and they always answer back by loving him and keeping his commands
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and laws, you know, um, and that's something that Nehemiah is seeing in here is like you're
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a God who holds his covenant and we need to hold our covenant and our love for you and
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keeping your hands in law.
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And so that basically means, you know, not only in the Old Testament, it was this prudent,
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but it's prudent now, you know, um, we, we like to unhitch the Old Testament from the
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New Testament, um, some people do and when it comes down, it's all the same as commands
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in his law or how we glorify him, not only through being obedient to those, but also
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through loving.
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Right.
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It's like he's asking the Lord to give him the opportunity to pull up the bootstraps
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of the past and allow him to step in, uh, the place of, you know, his ancestors and be able
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to go and do this great thing.
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He's just like asking the Lord for the opportunity without giving too much away.
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I mean, that's basically the route that you headed.
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Yeah.
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No spoiler alerts here.
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Okay.
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Because we don't want to go ahead in the story.
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But like the other thing that's, that's great about verse six is it kind of calls into question
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his, um, allegiance, I guess you could say, because again, and we'll get more, you know,
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at the end of this discussion, we'll talk more about, you know, what a cup bear is and their,
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their importance and whatever.
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But he doesn't seem fully committed to Artaxerxes.
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And in that day, you couldn't really survive in an inner circle of a man who saw himself
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as a God if you weren't fully dedicated to that person, because they kind of had ways
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of figuring out whether or not you were fully dedicated to them, even though his job was
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fairly extreme and the things that he had to risk in order to serve, you know, within
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Artaxerxes, is, you know, family and that, that type of a thing.
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So I thought that was a very interesting thing as well.
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Russell, could you read seven, eight, nine, por favor?
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Sure.
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Verse seven, we have acted very correctly against you and have not kept the commandments nor
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the statutes nor the ordinances, which you have commanded your servant Moses.
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Remember the word which you have come, you commanded your servant Moses saying, if you
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were unfaithful, I will scatter you among the peoples, but if you return to me and keep
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my commandments and do them, though those of you who have been scattered were in the
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most remote part of the heavens, I will gather them from there and will bring them to the
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place where I have chosen to cause my name to dwell.
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So verse eight.
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So Nazmi, Nazbi and ESV are the same here.
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It starts with the word remember.
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And so this is a plea for God's activation.
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Okay.
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So this is not that's one thing for everyone to understand that's listening to this.
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God didn't forget anything.
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So it was like, how can you please remember this?
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Like, Hey, I need to remind you of something.
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This is a plea for him to hit, you know, hit the activation button that that's really
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the whole setup.
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But versus eight nine, it frames his petition to God based on what God has already done
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for Moses and the Israelites.
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So this shows that he is very well, well acquainted with what we see in the book of Exodus, what
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we see with Moses and Pharaoh and everything that went down in Egypt with the Israelites.
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And so it's it's a good corollary for us because this whole book seems ancient, right?
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Because it is.
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It's everything in it is thousands of years old.
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But even in our day, even in our advanced technology and our advanced age and the things
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that we understand, we can still learn to lean on what God has done for other people groups
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that aren't even tangentially related to who we are in this moment, because that's exactly
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what Nehemiah is doing.
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Now, you can make the argument, well, you know, there if there Israelites different, it's
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different today, you know, Protestant Reformation, like you can, you can go a whole different
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million different directions with this.
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But that was something for me that I'd never noticed in, and I've read Nehemiah a lot.
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I've read Nehemiah one a lot as well.
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I never remember.
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It's like, Oh, he's framing this in the finished work of what God has already done in Exodus.
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I thought that was awesome.
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Yeah, I think it's, man, that's one thing that scribes scholars, you know, even when
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you get into the New Testament, how often they go back to look at God's faithfulness,
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how they use that as a reference point, we're so bad at that.
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We're so bad.
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We don't have to know anything.
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We just Google it, you know, and, and I think this is, you know, we used to mention catacizing
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your children.
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That's what our children need to know these things to where, you know, they don't have
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to Google it.
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And same with, you know, even just they have to know that I love them and that my wife loves
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them and won't be there for them, right, no matter what happens in life.
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And so, I mean, it's huge, it's huge that we need to do as men to be those guys who are
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memorizing Scripture and in our word enough that, you know, we don't have to have Google,
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right?
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Yeah, Nehemiah might be just saying that he remembers the word that you commanded your
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servant Moses and not, you know, assuming that God has forgot, but he could have put
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an eye in front of a member there and just said, you know, I remember the word that you
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commanded your, your servant Moses to keep the covenants.
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I think it's great that he's, he's coming with a heart of repentance and that's something
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we don't see a lot of these days when we make our mistakes last week.
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Yeah, mistakes mistakes from our sins, you know, they, if we look at it, they've sinned
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against God Israel's in Israel and Judah have sinned against God.
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There's a consequence of their sin.
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He's repenting of that sin and he's asking God, you know, he knows God remembers.
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He's just saying, you know, like Zach said, you know, it's a reminder for him, like you've
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made this covenant with us.
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Um, you know, let's, we repent of this and, you know, I want to keep that covenant going.
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I want to make this right.
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And it's kind of remarkable that, you know, he's remembering this.
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So he must have heard all these, um, stories and, um, Old Testament books or, you know,
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the stories of Moses from his father or, yeah, like oral tradition from, even though he's
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been outcast or, uh, you know, displaced 800 miles away, he's still heard all this and he's,
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he's remembered it.
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He's a cup bear too.
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So I mean, that he had to come from a, I would assume a strong line to be a cup bear
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and a Persian king's, um, a household.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Let's actually go there.
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And one thing I did want to mention is that also a reminder, reminder of God's goodness
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and provision because especially right now when he's, because, you know, some of the stuff
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I read it's like, Hey, he wasn't just sad for a bit.
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He was sad for a stretch, like he was just sad for a very long time, which will bleed
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over into Nehemite too, and which we'll talk, uh, for next week.
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Zach, how about you close us out, read versus 10 and 11, please.
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First 10 and ESV there, your servants and your people whom you have redeemed for your
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great power and by your strong hand.
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Oh Lord, let your ear be attentive to the prayer of your servant and to the prayer of
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your servants, who delight to fear your name and give success to your servant today and
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grant him mercy in the sight of this man.
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Now I was a cup bearer to the king.
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So let's talk about being a cup bear.
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So people typically know now that a cup bear is somebody who would drink the wine of the
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king before the king would drink it.
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The reason is is because poisoning was a very common way of killing people that you wanted
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killed in that day.
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And so to prevent that from happening, they would not only have the cup bear drink from
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the cup that the king would drink from, but the entire royal family.
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And so that's kind of the difference.
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Like it's not, it wouldn't be much help if you know, you kept the king from dying, but
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then everybody else in there got poisoned because you didn't do that.
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And so that was their number one job.
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And they also guarded the cups, right?
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It wasn't like, all right, somebody put the cups out and the servants poured it in their
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eye on and go around and drink and, you know, roll, roll the roulette wheel here.
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Like they were protecting the cups.
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They were, they were overseeing the liquid that was put into these cups and all of that.
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And if the royal family was killed, it was shame on that person and their entire family
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line.
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There will probably be ramifications for that person's family that was still alive in that
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day.
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But Ryan, your point is right on like he didn't apply for this job.
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He didn't answer an indeed ad like he just, like this was something that he was set up
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for.
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And you could say even providentially, providentially God put him in that area for a very particular
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reason.
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Because again, especially when we get into Nehemiah 2, there's so much that doesn't make
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sense in terms of the interaction between him and King Artaxerxes.
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And if King Artaxerxes saw Nehemiah just as some peon servant that was keeping him from
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dying, like I don't think we would see the interaction between those two in Nehemiah 2,
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which again, I'm teeing up a lot for next week.
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Is there anything other specific stuff that y'all know in terms of cut bear?
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Go ahead.
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Oh, not cut bear.
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I just thought it was pretty cool.
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Hearing of this story and Joseph and how Joseph became, you know, he was a slave and prisoner
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and then became the governor of Egypt, you know, and like, this is just kind of foreshadowing
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what Nehemiah is kind of going through.
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But that was pretty cool.
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I wanted to bring that up a lot.
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Yeah, they were that they were placed there, they were placed there providentially because
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Joseph actually was able to save his family in seven years of famine.
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And without him being there, his, you know, the line could have died off.
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Yeah.
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Well, Queen Esther, Daniel and Babylon, I mean, getting the Lord, I mean, just how he's got
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these people in places that it really shouldn't be, you know, one of the commentary is not
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that this is kind of neat.
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Obviously, we know those facts about a cut bear, but it also says a man who stood that
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close to the king in public had to be handsome, cultured, knowledgeable, and court procedures
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and able to converse to the king and advise him of asked.
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So because he had access to the king, the cup, the cup bear was a man of great influence,
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which he could use for good or for evil.
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Right.
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So, I mean, so I'm actually really glad that you read that it brought up something to mind.
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So I have a book list on my website, the 100 books, every modern Christian man should read
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lists.
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And I have like seven, eight or nine, like bullet points as to, Hey, before you even look
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at this book list, here are some things to keep in mind.
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And some of it's like, Hey, it's a living list.
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And so I mean, I'll take books off and put books on, you know, but one of the warnings,
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I guess is like not all of these books come from a Christian worldview.
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So these are not all books that you will be able to purchase at your local Christian bookstore.
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And two of the books that are on that list are the prints by Machiavelli and the 48
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laws of power by Robert Green.
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And I remember back, like back in like 2017, like one of the first ever interviews I gave,
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I can't remember the guy's show, but this was, you know, former preacher's kid is very
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more secular kind of new agey now or whatever.
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Great interviewer though.
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He went to my book list and he was shocked to see those two books on there because 48
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laws of power is banned pretty much in every federal prison in America, because it's a
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book about manipulation, like how to manipulate people.
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I love that book.
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It's like a top 10 book for me.
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And I love the prints by Machiavelli as well.
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And people are like, wait a minute, like, why would you encourage a man to do those types
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of things?
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And it's because you need to understand how certain people in certain places of power
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think because if I'm equipping men to push back darkness, it's going to be really hard
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to push back darkness if you can't see it or recognize it.
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The other thing about it is like Machiavelli was somebody who was able to literally, he
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was like a puppet master in Italy at the time that he was in the court there.
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And he was just manipulating people and just moving them a little bit here, moving them
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a little bit there.
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And he basically writes you a manual on how to do it.
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And then Robert Green writes just this absolute firestorm of a book, the 48 laws of power
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and goes even deeper in all these other different areas.
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And so it's a good thing in terms of like how to understand, hey, not just that, that
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there are people out there that do that, but how they do that, because then you can look
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at the light of scripture and apply it to the depraved things that they're doing in
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those areas.
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But look at Nehemiah, he was in a position to be very Machiavellian.
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Like he was in a position to, to use art as Xerxes for his own personal gain, wealth,
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women, food, like just having food back in that day, being kept away from famine.
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And the fact that he didn't do that and did what he did throughout the book as we see
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it here in Nehemiah, that's no small thing.
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Yeah, would have been real easy for him to just stay put, right?
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You know, basically super high up in the Persian Empire can have whatever you want.
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All the luxuries and pleasures of life would have been real easy for him to stay put.
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But I think it's a great testament of how much you can accomplish when you align your,
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when we align ourselves with God's plan and what he has for us.
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And he just realized that God was putting that on his heart.
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And he needs to step up and go be a champion for Jerusalem.
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But getting back to, you know, part of Aquavelli's book, but just getting back to that discussion
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there was, you know, in war times, any general would probably say that you need to know your
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opponents so that you can beat them if you don't know what their maneuverings are or
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how they operate and how are you supposed to defeat them, you know, or it's just like
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coming up with the 18 rebuttals or abortion.
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I mean, if you don't know those, how are you going to have a discussion with somebody who's
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pro choice?
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You need to know what other people are thinking.
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One, you will fall to the level of your training.
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That's something I say all the time.
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Like guys, like when they think about getting into a physical altercation, they're like,
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well, you know, if something were to happen to me or my family, I would just see red.
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And then I would be able to, you know, fend off any attacker.
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It's like, no, you wouldn't.
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You would literally fall to the level of your training.
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And from what I see, that's a very quick fall, like you're going to splat on the ground pretty
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quickly.
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And the same thing happens.
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Like if you bring a knife to a gunfight in a verbal altercation, like it's not going
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to go well for you.
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If you're not familiar with all those, what were you going to say, right?
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Honestly, I was just thinking of Don Corleone, keep your friends close, but your enemies
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closer.
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So I mean, it's basically like what you're doing here is you're keeping your enemies
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closer.
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You're knowing what they're going to do before they do it.
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And it's just good.
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And what do you want to say?
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It's good practice.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Before we get out of the discussion of Nehemiah 1, I want to talk about this one particular
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line from verse 11, who delight in fear of your name or fear to or delight to fear your
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name.
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So the whole verse is, oh Lord, let your ear be attentive to the prayer of your servant
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into the prayer of your servants who delight to fear your name.
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We don't even like to think about God as an entity or a person that we fear.
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There's a book that I've mentioned several times in my show called Scary God by Matty
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Montgomery.
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And it just basically talks about the right ordering of how we are to look at God.
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And you never see delight and fear in the same phrase, typically, because people don't
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want to delight and fear.
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No, no, I don't mean people that love watching scary movies.
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That's not what I mean.
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Like that's not the fear being described here.
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Like jump out, boo, Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Oh, wasn't that funny that I, that I jumped out of my chair and peed a little.
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Like what we're, what we're basically looking at is like, this is a fear that moves you
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and they are delighting in it because there is no more, there's no more thing that you
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should fear on this planet more than God himself.
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Because Satan is not as scary as God.
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Because again, God set up the entire creation in, it said it in demotion for his glory.
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And again, we, we, we, seeing these songs about how, you know, God just kind of wants
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to be our friend and like, this is going to be so awesome.
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And I just can't wait for my cosmic genie to give me all the things that I want because
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I donated a little bit to the church.
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And I think that that's a very important thing that in the middle of his, well, towards the
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end of his prayer, as it's depicted here in Nehemiah one is his servants who delight to
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fear in your name.
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And he's describing that as a positive.
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I think that's something that we need to make sure we don't miss.
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Yeah.
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You know, it doesn't say fear, it says revere, but obviously it's the reverence of scripture
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right.
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And I think, I think it's important to note, you know, if you go to when he's starting
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his prayer, right?
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You know, verse five, I beseech you, oh, Lord God of heaven, the awesome and great, the
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great and awesome God, right, who preserves the covenant and loving kindness for those
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who love him and keep his commandments.
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I mean, you know, it's kind of a simple illustration, but I don't know if you guys have heard of
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it, but the, essentially the, the prayer context of ACTS acts, so adoration, confession, thanks,
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giving supplication.
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Right.
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I mean, you know, that, that's just a very good practical way to pray to God, because
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right.
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You're starting with revereing him, right?
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You're adoring and revereing who he really is, right?
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And, and with that needs to come just the sense of awe and inspiration of years, right?
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The creator, the almighty, you know, the one that's holy.
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And then obviously confession, right, which is why he does here, he confesses and I love
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in this sport where he's confessing, he throws himself in there, you know, I know you've
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talked about Jocko and some other stuff, I'll confess, I haven't read extreme ownership,
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I have it, but the concepts, I mean, I feel like that's what he's doing here.
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He's taking extreme ownership of his people of this.
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That's what a leader is doing.
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I mean, he's stepping into a leadership role.
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He's hearing, he's hearing of something that he cares about.
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He's praying about it.
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He's asking the Lord for help.
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And he's stepping into the shoot, he's confessing that I'm part of the problem and he's stepping
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into the shoes.
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And I think that's great.
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I mean, I think just the way he's going about this, then obviously as Nehemiah moves on,
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he'll kind of dig into that, but absolutely anything else on the end here with Nehemiah
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1, which kind of sets up the rest of the book, correct?
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Yeah, I think it's, um, delighting to fear your name is to just show God the ultimate
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respect.
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Um, it doesn't mean, yeah, like you were saying, Texas Chainsaw Massacre or anything, but it's
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the fact that you understand that God provides all the love and joy in the world.
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And just as powerful as that is, it can go the other way and you never know just because
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you want your life to be all love and joy and sparkles.
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That's not what it's going to be all the time.
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He could use your life, um, in a way that negatively affects you, but to bring glory to
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his kingdom through other people, you know, so you're delighting in the fact that God
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is all powerful and that you've submitted to him.
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So whatever happens in your life, you know, it's for the Lord.
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I feel like we should make on Donald life t-shirts says love, joy, and sparkles.
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Is that what you said?
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Like, I think that's what, that's what we should go for.
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Like, that's what we should all go forward and like, no, that's, that's a great point
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in terms of how you would frame that.
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But Russell Ryan, anything else on the end of Nehemiah?
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I think of the third commandment, you know, I think, I think, uh, Nehemiah is just coming
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after that third commandment and the fact that we shouldn't take the Lord's name in
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vain.
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So, um, if we're going to revere his name, we're not going to take it in vain.
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And, uh, you know, during this time, they may have been taking taking the Lord in vain.
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So I think, uh, it comes down to, you know, serving the commandment, obeying that command
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that he talks about the only, the only kind of last speed out part I want to point, which
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kind of, uh, it's just kind of overarching for this chapter one piece.
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Um, and I'm just going to read this, you know, couple sentences from a commentary.
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I think it's really good.
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He just says, like large doors, great life changing events can swing on very small hinges.
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It was just another day when Moses went out to care for a sheep, but on that day, he heard
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the Lord's call and became a prophet.
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That's an excess, obviously, and then it was an ordinary day when David was called home
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from shepherding his flock, but on that day, he was anointed a king.
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It was an ordinary day when Peter, Andrew, James and John were mending their nets after
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not a failure.
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That was the day Jesus called them to become fishers of men again, and then this is just
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Nehemiah sitting here, you know, hey, hey, how are the, how is Jerusalem?
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And it causes him to kind of weep and just let the Lord providentially lead.
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And so you never know what God has in store, even in a commonplace conversation with a
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friend or relative, keep your heart open to God's providential leading.
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So, um, that's, you know, I don't, I don't think about my everyday being somewhere where,
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you know, it could really change the trajectory of my life, but I need to be willing to be
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open to that.
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Yeah, and God can use anybody anywhere in his time for his glory.
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And that's all of our story.
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The day that you realized who God was and you submitted to him, that was the day that
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you were mending your flock and then, bam, all of a sudden you're traveling on the road
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to Damascus and you get knocked off your horse and blinded.
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And now you're a follower of Christ, just, I mean, it happened to prophets, it happened
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to everybody who is a believer and it's a huge testament that God can use anybody in any
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time.
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Father in law will always say, well, Zach, God always gets his man.
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Well, and that's a good thing for everybody that's in a position right now.
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It's typically usually in a, in a relational context or a job context where it's like,
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Oh, I'm just not feeling like I'm, you know, really fulfilled.
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I'm not really doing all those different things.
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And it's like, it may not be about you and your fulfillment right now, right?
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And you're talking about like lowercase F fulfillment, like, and God's trying to be
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like, you know, capital letter F at some point, you're going to get the fulfillment that you
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never knew you needed.
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Like it's fulfillment.
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That's not even fathomable to you.
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So there's a whole lot there in Nehemiah one and it's just really teeing up the rest of
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that book.
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Again, I just absolutely love it.
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But we're going to leave it there for now, but come back next Sunday where we will dig
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into Nehemiah two.
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