THE FORGING TABLE | Matthew 6 (Ep. 519)

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0:50 This is Undaunted Life Man's Podcast.

0:53 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

0:55 Let's get into it.

0:56 Welcome back to the Forging Table.

0:58 The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that

1:01 forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

1:04 At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience

1:08 by digging into God's Word, and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with

1:11 us.

1:12 That's Derek.

1:13 That's Winkler.

1:14 That's Horn.

1:15 And today we're digging into Matthew 6.

1:16 Derek, go ahead and lead us off reading verses one through four.

1:20 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them,

1:24 for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

1:28 Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in

1:32 the synagogues and in the streets.

1:34 That they may be praised by others.

1:35 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward, but when you give to the needy, do

1:40 not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that you're giving maybe

1:44 in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

1:48 So who sees in secret?

1:50 We will see that again here in the Scripture, but my question that I had here, and this

1:53 was my initial thought, not that I'm trying to contradict Scripture by any stretch, is

1:59 it is better to give humbly, but what about inspiring others?

2:02 Now, there are people that they have a PR team.

2:06 So I think about athletes where you see these athletes, let me back up you one more step.

2:13 There's a team that I won't name, so I don't throw anybody under the bus, but it's someone

2:17 I knew that worked for this team, and their players get paid to go and do visits to hospitals

2:25 and to children's shelters, and they get paid to do that, right?

2:31 And the players were complaining that they had to go to this children's hospital to hang

2:35 out with kids that had cancer, because they had stuff they wanted to do, right?

2:39 And so that already made me mad, and then it was like, wait, they get paid to do this.

2:43 That kind of makes me mad, too, but then you'll hear about these athletes that maybe it's

2:50 after they've died, or after they retired, or you'll see this random story to where it's

2:54 like they went to the hospital after the game in the middle of the night to see a kid to

2:59 give him a signed bat, to take them the game ball to do all these different things.

3:03 They didn't take a picture for Instagram, they didn't take a picture for their PR firm

3:07 to use.

3:08 It's just found out later, and then sometimes when these people die posthumously, they found

3:12 out, wow, they gave away all this money, and they did all these things, and they did all

3:17 these make-a-wish events, and they requested that the camera's not be there.

3:21 And we hear stories like that, and we're like, that is amazing, how humble.

3:25 But then there's another part of me that's like, what if they just, okay, I'll do it.

3:30 Let's take pictures, because there's a lot of people that have money like I do that aren't

3:35 going to be inspired to do this, because they're asked by the organization, but if they see

3:39 me doing it, they're going to be all about it, so I'm a little conflicted on this.

3:43 It's a spirit led thing to me.

3:46 My wife worked at Children's Hospital in the Oncology Ward as an RN, and she grew up an

3:53 OSU fan, and Bob Stoops would come up there all the time, once a week, even during the

4:00 season, he was there all the time, and there's a whole story that goes behind it if you read

4:04 Bob Stoops' book about why he did it, and why he continued to do it, but she said he

4:09 came up there, he brought players, he knew every kid by their name.

4:14 I look at that and I go, okay, if it's spirit led, the word will get out, and it will inspire

4:19 people.

4:20 I think, I mean, you're going to have to, I think in your humility when you do contribute

4:24 or you do those things, let God take care of the inspiration and keep doing what the

4:32 word says.

4:33 I think if, because I do think there is a counterbalance here, you know, there is the

4:39 inspiration thing, but there's also the idea that, well, if they're supporting the organization,

4:44 I don't need to, you know, how often do we read about, oh, you know, so-and-so executive

4:51 from this company gave a $500 million endowment to Harvard again, you know, and they're sitting

5:00 on $50 billion, and it's not really anything that they're giving.

5:04 It's actually more of a contest.

5:08 It's a competition, and so I look at it and I go, I think you can do it and not worry about

5:14 inspiring others, because I do think if you are giving, it will inspire others.

5:18 There's ways you can frame it where, hey, we've been supported by a lot of people in

5:22 this group, and then other people get called to it, so you can do it without specifically

5:27 calling people out, I think.

5:30 Derek, what do you got, man?

5:31 I mean, dad, really.

5:32 Nothing to add to that.

5:34 Man, I think of virtue signaling.

5:37 Hey, you're having a boss that's inside, that'll go.

5:41 Virtue signaling, man, we went to a church that was really capable of virtue signaling

5:48 a lot in regards to politics and social issues, but one of the things that kind of just like

5:53 got under my skin, like I am a firm believer of giving and doing for others, and, you know,

5:59 I like to do it without anybody knowing, like if I buy a meal for somebody at a restaurant,

6:04 I tell the waitress, do not let them know who it came from, you know, because if you

6:08 know who they're going to think, instead of me, they're going to thank God, and that's

6:12 who I want them to think, you know, because God's using me as a means for them.

6:17 But we would do, we would pack like meals for like homeless people, and we would go

6:25 through and we would spend four or five hours packing meals for homeless people on this

6:29 Sunday.

6:30 And I just remember like, hey, we got done, everything was great, said a prayer, moved

6:34 on.

6:35 I think a week later in the local newspaper, there's a picture of the pastor with his arms

6:39 just out, and there's us down there doing the meals, and he's like this, and it's like

6:44 this church packed 30,000 meals for homeless people, and it was like, oh, an article in

6:48 the paper.

6:49 I'm like, this is a tiny church, like this isn't like, this isn't like a large church

6:54 in our area.

6:55 It's like a tiny church of like a hundred people, it's like, how does the word get out

6:59 about this tiny church doing 3,000 meals, you know, or 30,000 meals, like really, how

7:05 does it get out?

7:06 And it's just like, no, I mean, like there, he was very notorious for shouting from the

7:11 rooftops what we did for, for the poor, and for the less fortunate, and like, it's like,

7:17 can we just take a step back?

7:18 Like, I want to look at a Facebook page from a church that shows the gospel and shows people

7:22 doing stuff, worshiping God, not, hey, what's the virtue that they surpass this week that

7:28 makes them look good, and so they can shout it from the rooftops?

7:32 A.B.

7:33 Bruce has a really good quote, show when you are tempted to hide, hide when you are tempted

7:38 to show.

7:39 I mean, to me, it is, again, it's spirit-led, like, if you, if you feel tempted to kind

7:47 of shy away from it, then you should probably be saying something, you're showing it to

7:52 people, if you feel tempted to show or say what you've done, you should probably be hiding

7:58 from it.

7:59 I'm going to say one of my least favorite words in the English language right now, but

8:03 I feel like it's very nuanced, and this is why I say that.

8:07 So I know we make fun of Joby and all that kind of stuff, but Compassionate International,

8:11 that's an organization that basically helps kids that are very destitute, getting them

8:16 food and tuition and all kinds of other different stuff, and of all the churches that do organized

8:23 drives for Compassion International, Church of 1122 down in Florida does more than anybody

8:30 by a mile, by a mile.

8:33 And he's very proud of that, and he'll mention that, and I think once a year they do a Compassion

8:37 Eye, which this is actually a really great way of doing it because they have those packets

8:40 with the kid's picture on it and all that.

8:42 And so what Joby will do is he will bring trash cans into the sanctuary.

8:46 And so once you get your packet, you've got to throw it in the trash on the way out.

8:50 If you're not going to, like, you know, hop in and do the thing with that kid, some people

8:54 are like, oh, some people are like, that's manipulative.

8:56 It's like, no, he's like, it's like, what is it, Dave Ramsey's like, you know, when you

9:01 when you lose cash, you feel it, but when you like make a bad purchase on a credit card,

9:05 it doesn't really feel the same.

9:07 And so for him, it's like, I want you to feel it.

9:10 So I like hearing that there are churches out there that sponsor X amount of kids and

9:15 that that is inspiring other churches in that area, like, okay, if that church can do it,

9:22 like we can do something like that, maybe not in the same numbers, but they're being faithful

9:26 to God in this way, using their excess to do these things.

9:30 So again, I'm still conflicted where I think I think it comes down to the whole, what's

9:33 your heart?

9:34 What's the posture of your heart while you're doing it?

9:36 It's the same thing.

9:37 Whenever people have asked me before, like, is it satanic to do yoga?

9:40 It's like doing upward dog, the pose is not satanic, but if you're doing upward dog facing

9:47 the east with your ponytail hook to a tree, then you're doing an ome and you're trying

9:50 to talk to like the the sun God about how to yeah, yeah, you're you're you're dabbling

9:56 in some pretty satanic things there.

9:58 So I think it's the posture of your heart while you're doing it.

10:00 Are you doing this?

10:01 So to be braggadocious.

10:03 So people will look at you and say, Hey, man, that that those people are really crushing

10:06 it.

10:07 Or are you doing it to be like, look, you can do this too.

10:10 And I'm just proud of our congregation.

10:12 I'm just like, if the four of us or all the people that do the forging table got together

10:15 to do something, I'm probably going to brag about it on the show.

10:18 Not so people will be like, Hey, man, we're the best and we want to tell you why.

10:21 But it's like the same reason why I'm doing the forging table to begin with, I want guys

10:25 to be inspired to do their own forging table.

10:27 They thought they, you know, they weren't smart enough.

10:29 They didn't go to the Bible college, so they can't say the Bible or lead a Bible study.

10:31 It's like, sure, you can't.

10:33 And so it's like, should I have kept this under wraps?

10:36 Should I not be recording this right now?

10:38 Again, I don't want to be too ridiculous and expand this, this ripple effect out.

10:42 But I'm still conflicted with the, the strictness of reading this literally, if that makes sense.

10:49 I think the great thing about that, if I look back to the situation we were at, like, I

10:53 think posting it in the newspaper or on Facebook, like, I think it's a little braggadocious.

10:58 But if that pastor wanted to be like, Hey, send it out to his buddy pastors who aren't

11:01 doing the same thing, like in an email being like, Hey, this is what we did.

11:04 I think it's really awesome.

11:05 You should reach out to this organization and try to set the same thing up.

11:09 That makes more sense.

11:10 You're, you're, you're building the kingdom.

11:11 You're not, you're not being real braggadocious about it.

11:13 You're trying to push an actual message.

11:15 But I mean, how many people read that in the newspaper and we're like, Oh, I want to go

11:18 to that church, you know, or I'm going to go and do what that church did probably not

11:22 a lot, you know, they were hoping, but we didn't see a big congregational upshift.

11:26 I'll just point out what I just kind of noticed again.

11:29 It doesn't say if you give to the needy, it says when you give to the needy.

11:33 So it's not like an option, I guess, you know, you don't have an option.

11:37 You don't have an option.

11:39 You better do it.

11:40 Yeah.

11:41 Do it.

11:42 Yeah.

11:43 When you give it.

11:44 But compassion, I love compassion.

11:45 That's great.

11:46 I, I adopted a kid from, I'm not trying to be braggadocious, but like, I just think it's

11:49 funny because before I was married, before we had kids, I like adopted one of those kids

11:54 from a Jeremy cam concert, like back in like 2007.

11:58 Yeah.

11:59 We do the same thing.

12:00 Yeah.

12:01 I still, I, yeah, my, it's Charles Darwin, Conja.

12:03 I was like, that dude needs the Lord, you know, and he's like, Tim, on purpose.

12:08 Yeah, I did.

12:09 I was like, I was like, boom.

12:11 But no, he, but like, I still have him, like he's going through college, like the dude's

12:16 like 20 years old.

12:17 I was like, I was like, man, how long are these kids on here for?

12:19 I was like, I'm not taking care of my kid after 18, you know, so we should start paying

12:23 me back.

12:24 But no, but like, I will say like, we would give money, like extra money for like birthday

12:28 or Christmas like that, and I was like, he'll send pictures of like all the stuff that he

12:32 got with it.

12:33 Like food, like always gets food.

12:34 I was like, you know what?

12:35 That's what I love about compassion is that they didn't just take the 50 or $75 I sent

12:40 and just like scattered it amongst everything.

12:42 They gave that kid the $75 and he went and had a good time.

12:46 Well, to this end, I mean, again, going back to, you know, should we, should we be advertising

12:52 it?

12:53 I look at that case, you've been supporting a kid till, you know, somewhat, since, you

13:00 know, for a very long time and now he's 20 years old, I think the hope here is, okay,

13:06 who who's going to be inspired to give now?

13:09 Yeah, he will.

13:10 Yeah, he received.

13:11 He was needy and someone someone helped him and you would hope that he has a little bit

13:16 better life than than what would have been mapped out for him and would have the opportunity

13:22 to actually give further.

13:24 So again, it's, it's why I see, again, I, I look at the ones where I read this book,

13:31 I think it was Malcolm Gladwell and he was talking about giving towards the, or I think

13:36 it was maybe a podcast, but he was giving, he was talking about the endowments that are

13:38 given to these huge colleges and the, you know, harvards and yales and Princeton's are getting

13:44 these, they got these multi-billion dollar endowments, okay, and most of the kids going

13:49 there don't need help going there.

13:52 So what are they using it for?

13:53 Yeah.

13:54 There was another guy who owned a engineering company and he donated like, I think it was

14:01 like a hundred million dollars to this small college in West Virginia that did engineering

14:07 and supported all of these kids coming through on scholarships and grants and, and it ended

14:14 up making this enormous impact on these people who would not even have had the opportunity

14:19 to go to a college like an Ivy League school.

14:22 I think when you look at scenarios like, again, when you're giving, what are you giving to?

14:28 And I think if you're giving it in the right direction, it will inspire people further to

14:33 give.

14:34 It may not even be right now.

14:36 It might be that next generation.

14:37 He might have inspired by him giving that.

14:40 Hopefully he inspired three, four, five, maybe they go on to be the same as him, three

14:45 or four, five of them come back and say, yeah, I'm going to give a bunch of money.

14:49 Not to my school, but I'm going to find another small college in need and actually do the

14:52 same thing.

14:53 Yeah.

14:54 Give it to you.

14:55 See you.

14:56 I can say like Ron Jones, I think the most beautiful thing about it is like when I get

15:02 my letters from him and how he's like praying for health and he's praying for you and he's

15:07 throwing out Bible verses and there's just a deep connection with God that these kids

15:11 are learning and I was like, you know what?

15:13 Like sometimes I get frustrated and like, man, dude, it's 20 years old.

15:16 I'm still sending $40 a month, you know, but it's just like, man, look, look what that

15:21 organization is doing for this guy.

15:23 Like this is going out and reaching the world.

15:26 This is going out and reaching the unchurched.

15:29 And I just think it's a beautiful thing.

15:30 So compassionate or national, you have not given a don to life any money, but you just

15:34 got a 10 minute long commercial for your use.

15:38 So you're welcome.

15:39 Compassion.

15:40 Joby send me some information.

15:41 Yes.

15:42 That's right.

15:43 Hey, let's get the links out there.

15:44 We're going to the Lord's prayer now.

15:45 So verse five and six, Winkler, if you can read five and six, I have one comment and then

15:49 I want to get to the rest of the pressure.

15:51 Sure.

15:52 And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites for they love to stand and pray

15:56 in the synagogues and at the street corners that they may be seen by others.

16:01 Truly I say to you, they have received their reward, but when you pray, go into your room

16:06 and shut the door and pray to your father who is in secret and your father who sees in

16:10 secret will reward you.

16:12 So there's a who sees in secret again, Derek to your point earlier, the second word is

16:16 and when you pray, not if you pray, if it's convenient.

16:20 But some people think that this is condemnation of public prayer.

16:23 I remember when Tim Tebow, when he was at Florida, was praying on the sideline and people would

16:29 throw this scripture out at him and press conferences and say, Hey, you know, and these

16:34 are non-Christian saying this, Hey, Christian, you shouldn't do this based on what this book

16:38 I don't believe in.

16:39 So it's like, okay, but the thing is, is Jesus isn't, he's clearly not condemning public

16:44 prayer, like as evidenced by the fact that he publicly prayed multiple times.

16:49 The thing about it is where you're, you're broadcasting your prayer to sound awesome.

16:54 And I love Tim Tebow's like he was so good with the media with basically no training,

16:59 but he basically said like, I would go to a place on the sideline, a sideline with hundreds

17:05 of people on it.

17:06 A place where no one else was, I would kneel and pray, I can't control where they point

17:11 the cameras.

17:12 Okay.

17:13 Yeah.

17:14 So the cameras find me, show me on CBS, you know, we're about to go over there and we're

17:18 about to play Auburn and here the cameras are focusing on me and it's making people hate

17:23 him and, Oh, he's the worst and he's bringing attention to himself.

17:27 He didn't like look up at the camera guy and say, Hey, I'm about to pray in 10 nine and

17:32 then get down like he wasn't doing that.

17:34 He's like, I'm not serving y'all.

17:36 I'm not serving the television station.

17:37 I'm not serving the Florida Gators right now.

17:39 I'm serving God and I'm going to spend a little bit of time with him before I go out here

17:43 and get my 14th concussion this season.

17:45 And so like that, that's the very important thing about this, this entire thing is the

17:48 point is, is when people start doing these grandiose prayers, specifically so people

17:53 would look at him, look at them.

17:55 That is, that's the point that we're talking about.

17:58 Ryan, can you read?

17:59 Yeah.

18:00 I was going to go off of something.

18:01 Yeah, go ahead.

18:02 And then when you're done, read seven through 15.

18:04 Oh, yeah.

18:05 Yeah, you got to read a lot.

18:06 Yeah.

18:07 I grew up in a very charismatic home.

18:10 And so like people would like to pray out loud, like all the time.

18:13 And like, I think that's the thing that you bring up about Tim Tebow, like Tim Tebow went

18:17 to a corner.

18:18 He can't control where the cameras go, but imagine if Tim Tebow or like they're interviewing

18:23 him and someone's like, you know what, just had a rough day and he's like, all right,

18:26 let me pray for you right now.

18:28 And just like on air, just starts like, Lord, we come to you right now and I just like,

18:32 has this elaborate prayer.

18:33 I mean, I think that's what Christ is talking about here.

18:36 Like I, I run into it all the time where someone's like, yeah, I'm having a tough time.

18:39 But then there's that one person that likes to pray extremely loud in front of everybody

18:43 so they know that it's being done.

18:45 And I think that's what he's talking about in regards to giving to the needy.

18:48 It's like you're trying to bring the attention on to yourself and you're not bringing the

18:52 attention back to God.

18:53 So this is something that I do before you read, starting in verse seven.

18:56 And I've said this before.

18:58 So whenever I go to a restaurant, I have a habit of this because you've ordered your

19:01 food, they make your food, they bring it to the table and what does the server ask you

19:05 before they leave?

19:06 Yeah.

19:07 Do you need anything else or anything else I can grab for you in Oklahoma?

19:09 The only answer is ranch, please.

19:10 Yeah.

19:11 Because we put ranch on freaking everything.

19:14 But in that moment, I've gotten in the habit of doing this for years and years and years,

19:17 I say, Hey, my family and I are about to bless our meals or something we can pray for you

19:21 about.

19:22 Love it.

19:23 Most people would never do such thing, but the worst case scenario is they punch you

19:27 in the face, which has never happened.

19:29 Like the worst thing that's ever happened is someone goes, no, thanks.

19:32 And then they just walk away.

19:33 But again, they're in a professional capacity.

19:35 They want a good tip.

19:36 And so I've had everything from, um, no, but thank you.

19:40 And then they walk away.

19:41 And I've had people be like, and they take that deep breath.

19:45 Their shoulders come down.

19:46 That tension has lifted and they're like, I had a guy, I remember this guy at this

19:50 wing place, my favorite wing place in Oklahoma City, uh, uh, oh my gosh, chicken and beer

19:55 or something like that.

19:56 Chicken beer, chicken beer and best wings in Oklahoma City.

20:00 And this guy goes, today is two months over for me, man.

20:04 And I have to stay sober to stay in this house that I'm in.

20:07 I'm kind of like in this halfway house thing and like, you know, this is, I have two jobs

20:12 and I'm just trying to keep myself busy and man, dude, that's so awesome.

20:15 And it's like, I could have just said more ranch, please, but in that moment, I was able

20:20 to minister to him.

20:21 And most of the time they don't stick around for the prayer, right?

20:24 And they don't have to.

20:25 Most of the time they just take off recently.

20:26 I was having dinner with Jobe and Jacksonville did the same thing.

20:29 We're in a private room and, uh, the guy comes out and this is nice restaurant.

20:32 So they're, they're being over the top with, and this is a this and this is this trying

20:36 to be fancy.

20:37 And I asked the kid, Hey, can we pray for any goes?

20:40 My neighbor died yesterday and I was kind of close to him and you could tell he's trying

20:45 to hold together because he's at work, but it's like it gave us an opportunity to minister

20:49 because I just said, yes, Lord, I will ask this very awkward question, seemingly awkward

20:53 question.

20:54 But like it's already a private setting, even though you're in an open public restaurant,

20:59 like I'm talking to this person in this one moment trying to minister.

21:02 Did you go out in front of everybody in the restaurant and pray really loud?

21:05 No, see, like if I had gone up to everybody and went like, okay.

21:07 And I'm looking on the glass guys, I'm about to be, uh, you know, morally superior to everyone.

21:12 I am praying three, two, one, shut up.

21:14 Like that's, that's the difference there for sure.

21:16 That's totally right.

21:17 So, uh, read starting at verse seven and go through a 15, please write 15.

21:21 All right.

21:22 And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do or they think that they

21:26 will be heard for their many words.

21:28 Do not be like them for your father knows what you need before you ask him.

21:33 Pray then like this, our father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come,

21:38 your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

21:41 Give us this day, our daily bread and forgive us of our debts as we also forgiven our debtors

21:47 and lead us not to temptation, but deliver us from evil.

21:51 For if you forgive others, their trespasses, your heavenly father will forgive you.

21:56 But if you do not forgive others, their trespasses neither will your father forgive your trespasses.

22:01 So that's the Lord's prayer.

22:03 We can see in verse seven, uh, for they think they will be heard for their many words.

22:07 That's kind of an admonition of these lengthy poetic prayers.

22:11 Um, and then he gives us an example prayer of that is short, it's very short.

22:16 It's with an invocation, our father in heaven, hallowed be your name.

22:19 And then there are six petitions.

22:21 Uh, the first three petitions are for God's preeminence and the second three are personal

22:27 needs, you know, in kind of a community context.

22:30 So petition one, your kingdom come petition to your will be done petition three on earth

22:33 as it is in heaven.

22:35 petition four, give us this day, our daily bread petition five and forgive us our debts

22:40 as we have also have forgiven our debtors petition six and lead us not to temptation,

22:44 deliver us from evil.

22:46 Here's something that I want to talk about though.

22:47 I'm going to go back to the third petition on earth as it is in heaven.

22:51 So it's your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it as it is in heaven.

22:55 What this necessarily begs actually, let me back up a little bit because I think y'all

23:00 know where I'm going.

23:01 I'm going to go back to the word hallowed real quick.

23:03 So if you go to a church where they start the sermon off or the prayer off with daddy

23:07 God or father, home boy, Jesus or Jesus is my home boy.

23:13 That's not what hallowed means or hallowed like that is of it's almost like the Jews

23:19 in terms of like Yahweh, like they wouldn't even say it like hallowed.

23:23 It's so high of a name like again, when you're talking about God, he's not your buddy.

23:29 Okay.

23:30 He is the creator of the universe and if you say, yeah, if I were in front of God, I would

23:34 say this, you would say nothing, right?

23:36 Because you would burn up in his presence, right?

23:39 If he showed you even a fraction of his light, but now let me go back down to your kingdom

23:43 come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

23:48 There is a dividing line there, earth and heaven.

23:51 So we're having to pray that God's will will be done on earth as it is in heaven, which

23:55 implies to me that in heaven, his will is done, but on earth, it is not.

24:01 Even saying it out loud, I feel like people are going to be like, Kyle's a heretic.

24:04 I'm just asking the question.

24:06 I'm the, you know, I'm just Columbus, I'm just asking questions, but where do you guys

24:10 sit with that?

24:11 Because I remember the first time someone said, Hey, do you know why Jesus told his followers

24:14 to say your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

24:18 Because his will isn't done in heaven or on earth, because if his will was done on earth,

24:24 we would still be in the garden, right?

24:26 And so we get into a lot of problems about sovereignty and a lot of ickiness about God's

24:32 foreknowledge and what he's able, capable of doing you guys, you can even get into a deist

24:37 argument that, Hey, God just said everything in emotion.

24:40 And now he just doesn't care.

24:41 He doesn't really, you know, intercede, he said it in emotion and we messed it up.

24:45 So take that wherever you want to go because there's a lot we can talk about with that.

24:48 I think it really comes down to submission to God's plan and purpose.

24:52 I think he has a plan and purpose for earth and we have to submit to that.

24:58 We have to know that it's not going to be our doing like we brought up last week, what

25:03 Shane Claiborne and how he talked about Isaiah, his whole tag mark of turning a plow shares

25:13 and turning swords into plow shares.

25:15 It's he's trying to bring what God wants to bring on earth.

25:20 And he wants to do it on his timing and on his thoughts and not on what God's plan is.

25:24 He's not submitting to that.

25:26 And so I think that's what we have to look at is that we have to submit to God and like

25:31 starting out the prayer and submission, I think is a huge thing because we're coming.

25:36 We're coming from a humble place to God because, you know, especially in our society now, I

25:42 mean, everything's about me.

25:44 And so to humble yourself before God and and and submit to his design and submit to what

25:50 he wants done, I think is is kind of where they're going with that.

25:54 But in regards to heaven and earth, like, I'm sure heaven is so much more better than

25:59 what it is on earth and God's plan at someday is that we will all come together.

26:04 So I would kind of see where you're going with that.

26:08 But I mean, I haven't thought that deep into it.

26:12 I mean, well, I mean, Ryan, you kind of made a point here.

26:17 I think you did.

26:19 Oh, hi, five year later, no, I think there's a really, I think we have a tendency to get

26:28 really focused on ourselves.

26:30 When we pray, I mean, even prayer requests themselves are a me focus typically.

26:36 I'm having this struggle.

26:37 I have this problem, this person suffering.

26:41 And I want it to stop.

26:44 And so when I taught my daughters to because, you know, I'm trying to teach my kids how

26:49 to pray and, you know, to be perfectly blunt, I struggle.

26:53 I mean, I always say, like, what's the worst sentence I can hear?

26:57 Can you pray for his Jake?

26:59 I hate it because I just go, like, I want to say the right words.

27:04 I don't want to, you know, and it's like it's off the cuff.

27:07 I mean, look, I mean, I showed up here today with like piles of notes.

27:11 I just don't like to look foolish.

27:13 And so I'm afraid that if I go ahead and start praying that I'm going to say the wrong words

27:19 I'm not going to say the right thing and somebody's going to be over there going, whoo, I could

27:21 have done better than that.

27:22 You're probably right.

27:23 I mean, it's off the cuff.

27:25 But I've been teaching my daughters like, okay, how do you pray?

27:29 And I said, well, pray, praise, repent, ask, yield, okay?

27:35 So start off by giving thanks to God, confess your sins to God, then start asking for what

27:44 you might want.

27:45 And then you have to yield it to him.

27:48 It's not save them, it's your will be done.

27:53 And so there has to be, I think when we, when we pray, there has to be a much, much, much

27:58 bigger focus on God.

28:01 I also would like to point out the whole hallowed be thy name.

28:06 Your shoes would not say God.

28:09 And as a matter of fact, like when John is talking about in chapter 3, kingdom of heaven,

28:15 they would swap out heaven for God.

28:19 They would do that because they were just like, I can't, we can't say it.

28:22 So him saying kingdom of heaven was a good call.

28:26 I mean, it was a great call for the Jewish people, but the other gospels will actually

28:30 use kingdom of God a few times.

28:32 You'll see it in Matthew again, and you'll see it in Mark and Luke.

28:36 But again, it's, it's hallowed.

28:39 Who are you talking to?

28:41 So literally the creator of everything, an all powerful, all knowing, not bound by time,

28:48 not bound by space, God.

28:51 And we're just talking to him like, what's up, homie?

28:54 And that's, that's what I love about the Psalms.

28:56 If you go and read the Psalms, like the first part of the Psalm is always worshiping God

29:00 who he is.

29:01 I mean, that's where we find the qualities of God.

29:03 You know, that's where we find who he is.

29:06 And it's always worshiping him for who he is.

29:08 And then David might go into some trouble or peril or, or asking for something.

29:13 But we have to acknowledge who God is.

29:15 We have to acknowledge him for his attributes.

29:19 And I think doing that within prayer, starting out that way kind of brings a hallowedness,

29:23 a holiness to who God is, and then going off to the bullet points that you went off of

29:28 is a great idea of prayer because I, I like you and not the best prayer.

29:32 You know, like, I, I, cause I'm going to hate me for saying this.

29:35 I'll be like, sometimes I pray.

29:36 I let go and let God.

29:37 You know what I'm saying?

29:38 I'm saying, I'm like, I let go and like, oh, there's some truth in that.

29:41 It's just like, I let the Holy Spirit fill me and I, and I hope that God has me put out

29:45 the right words and I pray.

29:47 And, but sometimes, you know, like when I find myself praying, especially when I'm dealing

29:51 with anxiety, we'll go into anxiety and later in this chapter.

29:55 But I find myself just appreciating God for who he is and his attributes and I find comfort

30:01 in that.

30:02 So go ahead, Derek.

30:03 Yeah.

30:04 I was, I was going to add, yeah, I kind of struggle.

30:06 It's, when I'm praying with my kids, almost every night, I repeat myself all the time.

30:12 And you know, he don't heap up empty praises or whatever praises.

30:16 I don't think that's what I'm doing, but sometimes that's what it feels like.

30:20 I'm teaching.

30:21 I'm trying to teach my kids to be thankful for the sun, the moon, your bed, our house,

30:26 all that stuff.

30:28 But every night I'm doing, I'm like, man, am I saying like, right?

30:31 I know not the way it is, but sometimes it feels like that.

30:33 Well, that's part of the, the, of catechism, like catechizing your kids, like whatever,

30:39 because James and I started praying together when he was like four, two years old and stuff

30:42 like that.

30:43 And it's like, you know, used to, he would just repeat me.

30:46 So it's funny.

30:47 Jake, you talked about, did you pray a fourth of July or did I did Russell called me right

30:51 out?

30:52 So I thought so, I thought so, but did you remember hearing some laughing during your

30:56 prayer?

30:57 I hope not.

30:58 Okay.

30:59 Well, there was laughing going on.

31:00 This is what was happening is my son was doing what he does with me every night when we pray,

31:05 where I will say a line and then he will repeat it.

31:08 And then so he did that when you were praying and all the moms, like Kelsey started crying,

31:13 like she thought I was just the cutest, sweetest thing in the world.

31:15 But I will say, dear God, dear God, we thank you for this day.

31:19 We thank you for this day.

31:21 And then I'll, and now I've started asking him, hey, who do you want to pray for buddy?

31:24 And then he'll just name his friends from school and, you know, and then if he leaves

31:28 someone out, I'll be like, okay, now, and let's pray for mom on data and grandma and

31:31 grandpa and our dogs.

31:33 And like, but it's like part of it's praying for people, part of it's saying thank you,

31:37 but that when you're categorizing them, like you're doing it over and over, like he's,

31:41 this isn't saying, hey, don't say the same words over and over, but that's one thing to

31:45 look at in this prayer.

31:46 It is known for its brevity and simplicity, right?

31:50 And it's like, it was like listening to a child pray is probably like the most beautiful

31:54 thing ever.

31:55 Listen to my five year old daughter pray, she's like, dear Jesus, thank you for sending

31:58 your son.

31:59 Thank you for my house.

32:00 Thank you for, you know, food and like it changes every day, but she's talking about

32:05 what she's thankful for and knows what God provides for.

32:09 And you're just putting those seeds out there and again on the whole prayer thing, I kind

32:12 of have the opposite problem of you, Winkler, not this may sound do she, I hope it doesn't

32:16 come off that way, but it's like, because I've been given the gift of gab and, you know,

32:22 being able to talk and, you know, just flow and use all these words connected to where

32:25 it sounds like mildly coherent, whenever I pray, I have to be like, Hey, tone it down.

32:30 This is a big word time.

32:32 This isn't like make your five bullet points time.

32:35 This is just prayer.

32:36 So when I pray over a meal, it's quick, like I just get it, get it out there and I typically

32:40 in the same way, Derek, I will say, thank you so much for the blessings that you've given

32:44 us, that we can see, but especially for the ones that we cannot, because it's like we're

32:48 blessed a lot, that on the stuff that we recognize, but how else are we blessed?

32:53 Like the thing about this all the time, like I'm the guy that, you know, I get out to the

32:57 truck and it's like crap, I left my keys inside.

32:59 So I run back inside and get my keys and so I'm leaving the house 30 seconds later than

33:03 I would have, but what if I would have been at that intersection where the drunk driver

33:07 was blowing through, blew through the red light, I would have been at the front of that

33:11 section and would have gone and then I would have got hit.

33:13 I think about those times, I will never know until maybe when I get to heaven, all the

33:18 times God was like, we're just going to move this puzzle piece over here.

33:21 We're just going to move that chess piece off the board now.

33:24 And like, but it's like to my redounding benefit.

33:27 We got to keep going.

33:28 We're going to be here all day.

33:29 We've just done the first section.

33:30 So let's talk about fasting a little bit whoever wants to read 16 through 18.

33:36 Volunteers are welcome.

33:37 I got you.

33:38 And when you fast do not look gloomy like the hypocrites for the disfigure their faces

33:43 and their fasting may be seen by others.

33:46 Usually I say to you, they have received their reward, but when you fast, anoint your head

33:49 when washed your face, that your fasting may not be seen by others, but by your father

33:54 who is in secret and your father who sees in secret will reward you.

33:57 That's the third time your father who sees in secret.

34:00 So I was just going to open this up to a discussion because I think the next section where we're

34:04 talking about, you know, laying up treasures and heaven and then anxiety.

34:07 I think we're going to have a whole lot there.

34:08 I've done the Daniel fast before and, you know, it was just doing my best to not be like,

34:14 cool, I'm fasting right now, but I've intermittent fasted for probably five years now.

34:20 And so like I, like, I get hungry obviously, but I've got so much experience dealing with

34:26 being hungry.

34:27 And it's like, I typically wake up and lift or do jujitsu and then it's like five hours,

34:31 six hours until I get to eat.

34:33 So like, I'm fine, like, but there are people who are like, oh my God, I haven't eaten in

34:38 four hours.

34:39 I just don't know what's going to happen.

34:41 It's like, it's a little bit different for different people, but for me, I will say that

34:46 I didn't, again, I don't have a long history with fasting.

34:50 I didn't really get the whole spiritual component.

34:52 It was more of a mental component where it's like, okay, I'm hungry right now.

34:55 Okay.

34:56 Pray.

34:57 You know, God, what are you trying to show me right now?

34:58 And then I felt like he was showing me rib eyes.

34:59 And then it's like, yeah, I was just curious what y'all's experience was.

35:04 I think, I think we moved away from fasting and I think it's something we need to come

35:08 back to.

35:09 Like you said, like I've done the Daniel fast, but when I was doing the Daniel fast, it wasn't

35:13 about necessarily like trying to draw closer to God and trying to draw something out of

35:18 it.

35:19 Because everyone else with the church was doing it, you know, and so like, I think like

35:22 doing a personal fast and trying to draw close to God is something that we should probably

35:26 start doing a little bit more or learning more about because I was, I felt pretty convicted

35:31 reading that.

35:32 And the fact like I haven't, I can't remember a time that I've fasted to just draw closer

35:37 to God and like put him first over whatever I'm going to fast against.

35:42 So for Lent last year, so I take a very, I mean, I again, I was raised Catholic.

35:49 So we did Lent and we gave up things and, you know, it's just kind of been part of my

35:55 life for a very long time.

35:58 What I would say is I look at fasting, not just as something that it's, it's not just

36:02 food.

36:03 It's, to me, it's anything that you feel like is getting in the way or could be getting

36:09 in the way of your relationship with God and replacing that with time with God.

36:17 So this last time, this last Lent, I actually went and said, okay, I'm giving up YouTube.

36:24 Like I'm not watching any YouTube with the exception of I have to fix something in the

36:28 house and I don't know how to do it.

36:30 So that was the only time I was allowed to do it, otherwise can't do it.

36:34 And so what I'm going to do and said, I'm going to read, read books spiritually and

36:41 I'm going to read the Bible more regularly.

36:47 I do think that when you do fast, I think there has to be a spiritual component to it.

36:52 Otherwise it's kind of, it's, you're, you're just not eating or you're just not doing this

36:57 one thing, but I do feel like, you know, there's a, there's a way to fast and to get, give

37:06 up different things because all fasting is, it's basic to me, it's, it's all about trying

37:12 to draw closer to God.

37:14 That's the main goal.

37:17 Also every time I wrote this down, you ever get the feeling like when people start complaining

37:22 about a fast, you ever get the feeling that God is saying, yeah, I know it's hard, shut

37:26 up and just do it.

37:28 Like, when I see somebody complaining about a fast, I'm like, Oh, well, I see who it's

37:33 about.

37:34 Yeah.

37:35 Yeah.

37:36 And that's super for you.

37:37 That's what Christ is talking about right here.

37:38 You know, it's like when somebody's making their fit, they want, they want the attention

37:41 on themselves.

37:42 They're not putting the attention on to God.

37:44 You're fasting.

37:45 Yeah, I don't have a lot of experience.

37:47 I need, I need to be better for sure.

37:49 So you're just naturally skinny.

37:51 Good for you.

37:52 I do the intermittent fasting.

37:53 That's, that's for myself.

37:54 But I agree with you and it shouldn't be just about food.

37:57 No, it's not.

37:58 You know, I'm sorry.

37:59 You're good.

38:00 You're good.

38:01 Go ahead.

38:02 It shouldn't be just about food.

38:03 I mean, there's other things to fast for sure.

38:04 You know, I mean, I'm sure if they had a TV at that time, maybe they fast from TV.

38:07 Yeah, they had to fast from like throwing rocks or whatever.

38:10 What did people do for fun back in the day?

38:12 Like I tried to think about the video games now.

38:15 They stone people for fun.

38:17 Okay.

38:18 I mean, we had gladiator games back then.

38:20 I mean, like literally what they did for fun.

38:23 Wow.

38:24 All right.

38:25 Well guys, if you're looking for something to do this weekend, try grabbing some stone

38:27 stone.

38:28 Stone your neighbor.

38:29 All right.

38:30 Next section here.

38:31 Let's read versus 19 through 24, whoever wants to hit it, go do not lay up yourselves

38:36 treasures on earth where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but

38:41 lay up for yourselves treasures treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rice rust

38:46 destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal for where your treasure is, there

38:52 your heart will be also the eye is the lamp of the body.

38:56 So if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light.

38:59 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.

39:03 If then the light is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness?

39:09 No one can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other or he

39:13 will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

39:16 You cannot serve God and money.

39:20 So a lot to be talked about here.

39:22 Here's my struggle.

39:23 And again, I'm not contradicting scripture.

39:25 I'm just trying to be open with my struggles as I also try to Google stuff at the same time,

39:29 which is not very helpful.

39:33 I feel this constant nag in me because where is it in scripture that says he who does

39:39 not provide for his family is worse than a nonbeliever.

39:42 And so how do you provide for your family in a lot of ways?

39:45 Part of that is money.

39:46 So like I always get, you know, those really emotional commercials or videos where it's

39:52 like, you know, I worked all the time.

39:55 And then, you know, a family member got sick and then I realized what was important to

40:00 me in life.

40:01 And then they like take the rest of the week off work and to sit at home with their kids.

40:04 How long can you do that before there is no home to hang out with your kids inside of,

40:09 right?

40:10 We all love to eat food and live indoors.

40:12 And so you can't just spend 24/7 with your kids studying the Bible and playing in the

40:17 park at a certain point, dad and or mom and dad got to go to work.

40:22 Like they got to make money so that provision can happen.

40:26 And so there's a very fine line that I feel like people try to tread with this particular

40:31 scripture to where it's like, okay, I'm trying to provide for my family.

40:35 I'm trying to provide not only an income.

40:36 I'm trying to provide something that can be passed on to future generations.

40:40 And at what point is it idolatrous and not provisioned at one point?

40:45 Am I storing up treasures here on earth that mouth will destroy?

40:49 Like is it sinful to buy the can am or to buy, you know, a new hunting blind or the new

40:55 hunting rifle or the new car or at what point is it idolatrous and not just, Hey, the Lord

41:00 has blessed me and this is what I want to get.

41:03 And you give plenty to charity and you get plenty of other people and you write enough

41:05 checks like you kind of see what I'm saying.

41:07 There's a lot of dissonance here, especially in the community we live in.

41:11 Yeah.

41:12 I mean, materialism is alluring.

41:13 I mean, because that's really what you're, I mean, that's what you're fighting against

41:16 to me is when you're accumulating these treasures, you're fighting against materialism.

41:20 I mean, that's, that's where it becomes idolatry is when the focus is more on what I own as

41:27 opposed to what God has given me, you know, but, you know, why is it that we pursue these

41:33 things?

41:34 And there's security, there's personal worth, esteem and value.

41:38 There's power.

41:39 There's, I mean, there's power that comes from financial independence and there's independence.

41:45 And then there's the pleasures that actually, you know, I can take this trip.

41:48 I can, I can do all of these things that, you know, I would not be able to do.

41:54 But you know, I, I, if you're going like, well, what's the bench?

41:58 I don't know if there's like, okay, once you cross this amount of dollar figure, it's

42:03 now a problem.

42:05 I don't think there is.

42:06 There's got to be different for certain people.

42:07 It is.

42:08 I remember hearing, it was, it was one of Joe Rogan's friends, but all of his friends

42:12 were having dinner and they, they're all wealthy people by any standard.

42:17 And they were kind of talking about money and they were kind of asking that question

42:19 Winkler, where it's like, what, how much is enough?

42:22 And somebody piped up and just said, when you can go to just about any restaurant, order

42:26 what you want and not worry about the check, like anything beyond that is just extra.

42:32 Yeah.

42:33 So you're thinking up things that you can spend money on thinking up investments.

42:37 But you know, for, for them, now that could be different for other people.

42:41 But like for them, it was like the moment you can just go go out and eat and these were

42:44 all people that didn't come from money.

42:46 And so for them, they always had to worry about what things cost.

42:49 And so I know it's contextual to the person, but again, I kind of struggle with that because

42:54 like there are things that I would like that take money to purchase.

42:58 And I'm like, is this a, a moral thing for me to even want that?

43:02 Is this a sinful desire to want that thing because my buddy has it and I think it would

43:07 be nice if I had it.

43:08 You see what I'm saying?

43:09 Hmm.

43:10 Derek, what do you think?

43:11 Yeah.

43:12 I mean, I think it goes back to like we were saying earlier, it's a kind of a heart issue.

43:15 Where is your, is that your focus, your motive, your motive, yeah, just to get stuff or is

43:23 it I've been blessed, I can afford this and I can still do all this other stuff.

43:28 I don't know how to weave that into yes, it's right, yes, it's wrong or no, it's wrong.

43:35 But yeah, I'm, it's, it's a line you got to walk, I guess.

43:39 I'd have to agree with you.

43:41 I think it's motive that it comes down to not a benchmark of what to amass.

43:44 Like is your motive to amass earthly wealth?

43:47 And if that's your motive, you have a heart issue, you know, like God has blessed us, our

43:54 family with more than we need and we're able to give and do things that most people can't

44:00 do.

44:01 You know, but my whole motive with my job isn't to amass more money.

44:06 Money is great.

44:07 I like money, but my motive is to build relationships and, and that's where I find, that's where

44:14 I find my gift.

44:15 That's where I find me wanting to do the job that I do even though I don't love it all

44:18 the time.

44:19 But what I do love about it is the relationships that I build.

44:22 And so with the money that comes with it is just something to top it off.

44:26 When I think there's, there's a major problem that I think we would all acknowledge about

44:30 prosperity mindset, I'm going to become a Christian and then God will give me the Cadillac.

44:36 But there's also the poverty mindset, which is very dangerous as well to where Christians

44:40 think in and of itself, having money is a bad thing.

44:43 But look at all these organizations.

44:45 Name your favorite Christian 501(c)(3).

44:49 There are very likely donors with deep pockets that give them lots of money so that they

44:53 can minister to the poor, to the widow and the orphan.

44:57 Think about the Christian ministries that, you know, a few months ago with the Maui fires

45:02 and all those types of things and the devastation we're still finding to this day, the stories

45:07 of just absolute and total devastation.

45:10 There were Christian mission groups on the ground the same day the fires were raging to

45:16 start ministering to people.

45:18 Do you think they were getting their supplies with, they weren't getting it with thoughts

45:23 and prayers and I'm not meaning that to demean thoughts and prayers.

45:26 They had to use money to buy the bottles of water, to buy the soap, to buy the diapers,

45:31 to buy the food.

45:33 And so like this idea that if Christians have money that that's a bad thing, but obviously

45:38 the posture of your heart towards that money, like if you have a lot of money, you think

45:41 this money is going to protect me, this money is going to save me.

45:45 Like if you're putting your faith in salvation for, you know, you're the good works that you've

45:49 done to amass this great wealth, that's a major issue.

45:53 But for Christians to have money, like it's the same thing when people are like, oh, you

45:56 know, Christian shouldn't be in the public square.

45:58 Christians will say that, they're, you know, kind of going back to what we were talking

46:00 about with salt and light, it's like, wait, so you only want atheists running the government.

46:06 Is that is that what you're communicating is kind of the same thing.

46:08 Do you only want atheist charities?

46:12 No, like there are some Christian charities that are supported by onesies and twosies,

46:16 but a lot of these people, it's because they're getting people writing enormous checks.

46:19 Yeah.

46:20 And that's not in and of itself a bad thing.

46:21 Like Psalm 49 20, a man who has riches without understanding is like beast that perish.

46:28 I think it's it's key to understand why you have been blessed with the wealth that you

46:34 might have.

46:36 It is not yours.

46:38 It's one of the things I, I try and tell my daughters, you know, my we do pretty well

46:46 for ourselves and, you know, we just built our home and, and one of the things I told

46:51 my wife is, Hey, if we're going to build this, we have to bring people in.

46:56 Like we, we don't just get to live here on our own.

46:59 We got a, we got to host a lot of stuff because this is going to be a gathering place and

47:08 a place where we can bring people in and hopefully minister to them and bring them to the Lord.

47:14 But there's also the idea of, okay, what are we going to do with all that?

47:18 I mean, what do you do with what you've been given?

47:22 And to that end, you know, we have all the nonprofits and the 501(c)(3)s that you've mentioned.

47:27 What about just your church?

47:28 I mean, there's people who are needing who need you in the church.

47:32 Imagine if churches functioned the way that they were supposed to and how healthy our communities

47:37 would be if like, yeah, you know what, I need something to eat.

47:41 I need some health care.

47:43 I need all of these things.

47:44 I can walk right into this church and find help immediately.

47:49 We don't function that way.

47:51 But we should.

47:52 Yeah, we should.

47:53 I think what really steps out to me is, you know, for where your treasure is, your heart

47:58 will also, you know, it's where is our treasure?

48:03 What is our treasure?

48:04 Where is our heart with that?

48:05 My treasure should be to see the gospel reached among everybody, among the world.

48:11 And is my money going towards that?

48:13 Is my time going towards that?

48:14 If it is, that's great and it should.

48:16 But if I'm also being blessed financially at the same time because of the other job I

48:20 do outside of that, my treasure, you know, my money is going to go to what I treasure

48:25 the most.

48:26 And it's, you know, my treasure isn't to amass more money.

48:28 My treasure is to push the gospel.

48:31 That's good stuff.

48:32 If I wanted to throw out as well, verse 22, the eye is the lamp of the body.

48:35 So if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light.

48:38 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.

48:41 If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness?

48:44 So one quick thing is the eye basically reveals the quality of the person's inner life.

48:50 So if you have a good eye, you know, you basically have clear vision.

48:52 If you have a bad eye, bad eye, there's moral corruption.

48:55 And also we see Jesus say this in Luke 11 verse 30, 34, your eye is the lamp of your body

49:01 when your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light.

49:04 But when it is bad, your body is full of darkness.

49:06 Therefore, be careful less the light in you be darkness.

49:09 And so I'm kind of attracted to that because, again, equipping people to push back darkness.

49:13 I look, for examples in scripture of when darkness is pushed back.

49:17 So that's a good thing that I want to talk about before we move on to the very last section.

49:20 So Derek, if you wouldn't mind bringing us home here with 24 through 34, 25 through 34.

49:27 Therefore, I tell you do not be anxious about your life.

49:32 What will you eat or what will you drink or about your body?

49:34 What will you put on?

49:36 It is not life more than food and your body more than clothing.

49:41 Look at the birds of the air.

49:42 They neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns and yet their Heavenly Father feeds them.

49:48 Are you not more of value than they?

49:51 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?

49:56 And why are you anxious about clothing?

49:59 Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow.

50:01 They need a toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed

50:07 like one of these.

50:09 But if God so closed the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow was thrown

50:13 into the oven, will he not much more clothe you or you of little faith?

50:18 Therefore, do not be anxious.

50:20 Do not be anxious saying, what shall we eat or what shall we drink or what shall we wear

50:25 for the Gentiles seek after these things and your Heavenly Father knows that you need them?

50:30 All.

50:31 But think, but seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things

50:35 will be added to you.

50:36 Therefore, do not be anxious about tomorrow for tomorrow will be anxious for itself.

50:40 Efficient for the day is its own trouble.

50:43 I mean, there are so many things here, nuggets of wisdom.

50:48 I mean, which of you at this verse 27, which of you by being anxious can add a single hour

50:54 to his lifespan, you know, when you're talking about the birds of the air and either sewing

50:58 or reaping, but they have enough food.

51:00 Now, this is where you get the expression, oh, ye of little faith, oh, you of little faith.

51:06 Verse 32, the Father knows that you need them all when you're talking about all the things

51:11 that you need, he knows that, right?

51:14 But then they're at the beginning or at the very end, rather, verse 34, therefore, do not

51:18 be anxious about tomorrow for tomorrow will be anxious for itself.

51:21 Efficient for the day is its own trouble.

51:23 So I struggle with this a lot.

51:26 Now, some people have like actual clinical anxiety, like they have some sort of physiological

51:32 issue that causes them to not be able to regulate their negative emotion that expresses itself

51:38 as anxiety.

51:39 I don't have that, right?

51:40 I don't need, you know, pills or special, you know, prayer groups for that.

51:44 But I'm constantly worried about tomorrow when you're running a business and you can

51:50 only eat what you kill, which I've been in that set up for most of my career.

51:56 That's a, that's a very stressful place to be where you find yourself almost worshipping

52:00 at the altar of closing the sale or getting the deal or getting the donation or whatever

52:04 because it's like, that's my ticket to eating and living indoors.

52:09 And but in addition to the anxiety of provision, I have the anxiety of comparison to where it's

52:15 like, this podcast or just sucks.

52:18 And he has twice the size of my audience and why I ought to, and it's like, I've created

52:23 this anxiety.

52:24 And even when I'm working with my, my voice coach, you know, as I'm trying to rebuild

52:28 my voice, he's like, how you have so much tension.

52:32 And you know, he's, he's talking about my voice and the muscles around my voice, whatever,

52:36 the muscles I used to phone ate.

52:37 And he's just like, everything about you is so like tense and just squeezing and grabbing.

52:44 And for me, like, I will find myself this morning at church.

52:47 I'll have my fist just bald.

52:50 And then I'll kind of realize what it is.

52:51 And then I kind of look down and like release my hands and you see the blood rush is kind

52:54 of back in your hands.

52:56 Like I just carry around this crazy ginger tension at all times, but it causes tremendous

53:03 anxiety.

53:05 And again, I don't mean like anxiety like I'm sitting there like, Oh, my God, I can't

53:09 breathe.

53:10 But it's just like, it causes me to really be worried about tomorrow.

53:14 Can I do what I need to do in the gym?

53:15 Can I do what I need to do at Jiu Jitsu?

53:17 Can I do what I need to do in my marriage and my family and my relationships?

53:20 Am I this?

53:21 Am I that?

53:22 Am I doing the right steps?

53:23 And I just wanted to take a little time to do that soliloquy because I know there are

53:26 guys in the audience that are having that same struggle, you know, because whatever

53:31 their setup is, they're feeling the tension.

53:33 And as a father and as a husband, you should feel that because you shouldn't just feel

53:38 like Willie Nilly.

53:39 Cause if you're feeling Willie Nilly, you're probably not checking the boxes you need to

53:42 because your life's a little bit too easy, but you know, that's just kind of confession

53:46 time for me that as soon as I read this, I just like, you know, kind of put my head

53:49 in my hands.

53:50 I was like, bro.

53:51 Yep.

53:52 Me, me all day.

53:53 Yeah.

53:54 Nothing you need to confess.

53:55 We see it.

53:56 Yeah.

53:57 It's pretty obvious.

53:58 You know when you're upset.

53:59 Yeah.

54:00 No one needed to be let in on that fact.

54:01 No, but it's true though.

54:03 I mean, I, I bring it up, you think it's a joke, but we talked about a couple of episodes

54:07 back about being in a group and being able to be open with each other and talk about

54:12 those hard things.

54:13 And sometimes when we see that, cause like, I think we know each other as friends and

54:18 we know each other as, as men and like when I know Kyle is quiet and he's not joking.

54:23 There's something going on.

54:24 There's a tension there.

54:26 And so I think that's where it's time for me as, as, as a brother and as a friend to

54:30 step up and be like, Hey man, what's going on?

54:33 You know, how, how can I help you?

54:34 What, what, what can we talk about?

54:36 Like today we talked about life insurance when I could have been like, dude, what's

54:40 bothering you?

54:41 But then sometimes I'm like, maybe he doesn't want to talk about it.

54:43 So, but life insurance is an important conversation.

54:45 Guys, if you don't have any, you're an idiot.

54:47 Well, yes, but, but yeah, but I just wanted to point that out.

54:50 Like, cause we, we should be able to cast our anxieties on each other.

54:54 Not only are we casting them on God, but like, he gave us a community for a reason and that

54:59 community is one to worship him and two, to help us find what's right and what is biblical

55:04 and what he, he has for us to provide comfort.

55:09 And as, as a brother, I should have stepped up today and I should have said, Hey man,

55:12 what's going on?

55:13 How can I talk to you?

55:14 You know, how can I pour in your life?

55:15 Yeah, shame on me, shame on me, you know, and then I made it, and then I used it to make

55:19 a joke at the beginning, just failing, all kinds of stuff, but you got me a t-shirt a

55:25 few weeks ago.

55:26 So it's like it works out.

55:27 Okay.

55:28 But no, but that I think that's the thing is like with our anxiety, it's something I deal

55:30 with too, but I always feel better once I go to God or I go to somebody and I can talk

55:35 to them and they can breathe life into me through God's work.

55:39 We've been crucified between two thieves, the regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow.

55:45 That's beautiful.

55:46 Thieves of joy, we just, we are constantly wondering what we missed by not doing certain

55:52 things in the past.

55:53 And we are constantly worried about what decisions lay ahead of us in the future.

55:58 But let go and let God is a fun little saying, but I think it absolves us way too much.

56:06 There's work to do.

56:07 I mean, we are not absolved of work.

56:10 Let go of your anxiety.

56:12 Let go of the control of it, but you are going to have to work on what God wants you to do.

56:19 But I think in that let go and let God is like, there's going to be work, but you got

56:24 to let go and just trust in him.

56:27 That's it.

56:28 That's the let God.

56:29 It's like putting your trust like back to the Lord's prayer, you know, it's like, you

56:33 know, I'm putting my trust in you.

56:35 Well, and so I wanted to kind of throw those out there will because Derek, you're like,

56:39 you're very prolific.

56:40 You have like 17 kids.

56:41 So you probably don't remember it.

56:42 It's not when he didn't have children.

56:43 Same.

56:44 Same board.

56:45 Same board.

56:46 Same board.

56:47 Just two.

56:48 Okay.

56:49 I got two.

56:50 Ryan's got four.

56:51 Yeah.

56:52 I got three.

56:53 Your daddy over here in a lot of ways.

56:56 But I can say this.

56:58 So my wife and I were married for 13 years before we had our first kid.

57:02 He's just just over three years old James.

57:05 And I remember up until the point we had James, you know, guys have different fantasy.

57:10 Some guys fantasize sexually.

57:11 Some guys fantasize about a world where they're in power.

57:14 What my fantasies would always go towards was what if I had started this job at this

57:19 company when I was 22, graduated top of my undergraduate class and I went to go work

57:24 for name a company and like, what if I had been, you know, so around here, pay comms,

57:28 a big company, what if I had started a pay comm when there were like 14 employees and

57:33 now they're like this mega trade on the New York Stock Exchange company and I would be

57:37 like a VP by now.

57:39 This is what life would look like.

57:40 What if I had done taking this route?

57:42 What if I had, you know, tried to go be a green beret out of school or what if I had

57:46 tried to go to the the Naval Academy?

57:48 What if I had tried to?

57:49 That's why where I would always go and I would always be like, okay, well, I could

57:53 have gone to Annapolis and still somehow, like if I knew it, I could have came back

57:57 to Edmund to meet my wife and then convince her to move out to Annapolis and it would

58:01 all worked out.

58:02 So all my scenarios, my wife was still with me.

58:05 But the moment we had James, all that stopped.

58:09 Because at that moment, it was like anything, the butterfly effect, like if we had zigged

58:15 and set a zag at any point along the along the way, I don't have James.

58:19 That's it.

58:20 It had nagled my way to still have in my bride, but I wouldn't have had James, wouldn't have

58:25 had Eli.

58:26 I even think about it in terms of my dog, my dog and my best friend in the world.

58:29 Like when that dog turned three, I started being emotional about the fact that that dog

58:32 was going to die someday.

58:34 And like just thinking about it, I'd be like, okay, don't talk about it.

58:36 I'm talking about it.

58:37 That's my dog.

58:38 But it's just like I wouldn't have Roman.

58:39 I wouldn't have my dog because everything would be different.

58:43 So that revelation and that mind shift, that complete change in my brain happened right

58:49 at that moment when we had our first kid.

58:52 And so I'm like, what is the next thing I should be looking for where that will just

58:56 clink and be true with all of my life to where it's just like, dude, you are where you

59:01 are right now.

59:02 Because right now, I'm like, gosh, what if I had started my podcast when I was still

59:05 an undergrad, right?

59:06 Because I was listening to podcasts then there was only like 12 of them available, but I

59:10 was listening to them.

59:11 It's like, what if like, what would the world have been like, you know, what if I had started

59:15 my YouTube channel and no one knew what YouTube was and like, now I'm doing those types of

59:20 things to where it's like, okay, I wonder if I could still have Kelsey and the kids and

59:24 have done this.

59:25 But that's how anxiety and this type of comparison model manifests for me.

59:30 And I'm just waiting.

59:31 When does that other shoe drop to where I'm not like looking backwards and with regret,

59:37 but looking forwards with excitement?

59:38 Does that make sense?

59:39 Yeah.

59:40 Yeah.

59:41 So I'll try and share, I'll try and be brief because I know we're getting close to the

59:45 end here, but five, five years ago, when my mother passed away, you know, she was given

59:52 to diagnosis and she was given six months to live and I was working at a job where every

59:56 busy season I was working 80, 90 hour weeks for six, 12 weeks out of the year, especially

1:00:02 in the fall.

1:00:04 And I went through the fall was working all these hours that after she had gotten the diagnosis,

1:00:09 I had told my bosses, Hey, she got six months of lives in my last like holidays with my

1:00:13 mother.

1:00:14 I want to make sure I can spend some time with her.

1:00:16 It didn't matter.

1:00:17 It didn't care.

1:00:18 Worked anyway.

1:00:19 And came back after Christmas and was just like, I'm quitting, I'm getting out of here.

1:00:23 I'm leaving.

1:00:24 There's no point in me being here.

1:00:25 They don't care about me.

1:00:27 And I remember going through this whole process and just starting to interview and I get an

1:00:30 offer from another company and my wife goes, she goes, you make it all these moves.

1:00:34 Have you prayed about any of this?

1:00:36 No, and so she goes, you should probably start with that.

1:00:42 So I prayed and I had this offer letter in my hand.

1:00:45 I had already gone and taken it to my boss and said, Hey, I got this offer.

1:00:49 He asked if he could have the weekend to see what he could do to keep me.

1:00:53 And I felt I heard really clearly from God that you're supposed to stay.

1:00:58 And I said, I come out of the room, I was myself came out of the room and tell my wife I have

1:01:05 to stay.

1:01:06 So he was working on a salary increase and everything.

1:01:09 And he says, I texted him immediately, I said, Hey, just so you know, whether you can do

1:01:12 anything, I'm staying.

1:01:13 Doesn't matter.

1:01:14 Have to stay.

1:01:17 And he was real relieved and then we fast forward three years later, I work harder than I ever

1:01:24 have.

1:01:25 And we hit the, I'm sorry, two years later, harder than I ever have hit the pandemic.

1:01:30 And suddenly, I have this new offer that came to me and I'm, you know, to become a partner

1:01:37 at my now firm and I'm like, I'm doing it.

1:01:41 I'm ready to go.

1:01:42 And what's the first thing my wife says, I have you prayed about it.

1:01:46 I share this because I was so worried that I was not going to get where I wanted to be

1:01:52 at my previous job.

1:01:54 And the moment I decided to actually give up that anxiety to God and say, do you want me

1:01:58 here or not?

1:02:00 I got an answer.

1:02:02 And then when this new opportunity came along and my wife said, go pray about it.

1:02:06 All I heard was, this is why, this is why you have to stay.

1:02:12 So understand that you may be, you may not get the answer to the prayer that you want.

1:02:17 You may be really anxious about the fact that I got to do this and give it up to God.

1:02:21 And then God says the answer, the opposite answer of what you want, but it could just

1:02:26 be purifying you and making you better for what's coming.

1:02:30 And I think that's an important lesson.

1:02:32 I appreciate you.

1:02:33 You sharing that.

1:02:34 Additional of that.

1:02:35 I remember I've shared this before, but in between my two vocal chord surgeries, someone,

1:02:41 you know, when I'm trying to figure out, like, is this, is this it, like, have I lost my

1:02:45 career?

1:02:46 Like, what other options are there?

1:02:47 Like, I don't want to fly planes, but I don't think pilots have to talk that much.

1:02:49 Because they just stick the microphone directly into their mouth.

1:02:52 So they're under a program or something like that.

1:02:54 That's what you told me to do.

1:02:56 Right.

1:02:57 No, no, no.

1:02:58 That would be like you.

1:02:59 I like that.

1:03:00 It's different.

1:03:01 I probably shouldn't have put that in my mouth.

1:03:03 Don't say it.

1:03:04 Don't say it.

1:03:05 Nobody say it.

1:03:06 Nobody say it.

1:03:07 But like the whole, the whole thing, whenever someone threw this out there was just some random

1:03:13 person in my inbox.

1:03:14 They were like, Hey, man, you need to consider the fact that God may have already used your

1:03:18 voice for what he needed it to.

1:03:20 Like, you've got close to 500 episodes out there.

1:03:23 You've got a bunch of interviews.

1:03:24 You've spoken live a lot.

1:03:25 God may have used, he may have squeezed out the last little bit of your voice for his

1:03:28 glory.

1:03:29 And you may need to deal with that because we all think we're entitled to our talents

1:03:31 forever and that you should trade your money for my talent, right, whether you're working

1:03:37 for the Fed or, you know, a government or you're even doing your own business.

1:03:41 And that's kind of the thing that that's obviously not the direction that we went.

1:03:45 But what if that were the case and I kept trying to force it, right?

1:03:48 I kept trying to force this whole thing.

1:03:50 No, I'm going to do it.

1:03:51 I just got to leave it harder now and it's just like that's, that's, that's really not

1:03:55 the point.

1:03:56 And so I know there's a lot of anxiety, a lot of us cause our own anxiety by scrolling

1:04:00 on Instagram and playing the comparison trap comparing, you know, your wife to your neighbor's

1:04:05 wife or your car to your neighbor's car or your kids, your neighbor's kids, and you create

1:04:10 that type of attitude and it's only going to lead to anxiety and self selfishness because

1:04:16 you're going to be, you're going to be lamenting the things that you have that had you not

1:04:21 had them.

1:04:22 You would have been begging for them as a blessing.

1:04:24 Think about this way.

1:04:25 Like you got people that are like, Oh, it's my kids just fricking suck.

1:04:28 And then you got people that can't have kids cause they can't even get pregnant and they

1:04:31 would love your crappy kids.

1:04:32 Right?

1:04:33 You know what I mean?

1:04:34 Like give me those little [inaudible].

1:04:36 Like I'll take them.

1:04:37 And, but the same thing, like the people that are just struggling in their marriage and

1:04:40 they just hate it.

1:04:41 And it's just terrible.

1:04:42 Like what about the single people that are so desperate to be in, in a marriage, even

1:04:47 a crappy one?

1:04:48 And that's just, you know, kind of where it goes.

1:04:50 You make a great point.

1:04:51 I was just thinking about when you talked about last time about like, what would my life

1:04:54 been like?

1:04:55 If I wouldn't went and did this and went and did that.

1:04:58 And I've had those same thoughts back in the day where it's like, Oh man, if I wasn't married,

1:05:01 I'd be having like a Ferrari and, you know, I would live in Chicago on a, you know, the

1:05:06 20th floor, you know, all these great ideas.

1:05:09 But then I think about it.

1:05:11 I can't imagine my life without my wife can imagine my life without my children.

1:05:16 And like, God had a better plan for me than I had for myself.

1:05:20 And I think that's one thing that we have to look at when we have that with those anxieties.

1:05:24 God's plan is better than whatever we can conceive ourselves.

1:05:28 I agree.

1:05:29 That's a great place to leave it guys.

1:05:30 We will leave it there.

1:05:31 But come back here next Sunday where we are going to dig into Matthew seven.

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