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THE FORGING TABLE | Matthew 2 (Ep. 507)

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THE FORGING TABLE | Matthew 2 (Ep. 507)
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In this episode, we dive deep into Matthew 2, exploring the significance of the Magi, Herod's ruthless actions, and the fulfillment of prophecy surrounding Jesus' early life. We unpack the implications of these events on our understanding of God's sovereignty and the nature of evil.
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1:19 Welcome back to the Forging Table.
1:27 The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that
1:30 forges spiritual mental and physical resilience.
1:33 At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys foraging spiritual resilience
1:36 by digging into God's word and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with
1:40 us.
1:41 That's Matt.
1:42 That's Eric.
1:43 That's Caleb and the Ghost in the Fifth Chair.
1:44 As always, Joe B. Martin.
1:45 So to launch in here, I just want to dig right into the text of Matthew 2.
1:48 Caleb, can you actually read Matthew 2 verses 1 through 6?
1:53 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the King, behold, Magi
1:58 from the East arrived in Jerusalem saying, "Where is he who has been born King of the
2:03 Jews, where we saw his star in the East and have come to worship him?
2:06 When Herod the King heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
2:10 In gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of
2:14 them where the Messiah was to be born.
2:16 He said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for this is what has been written by the Prophet."
2:21 6 also.
2:22 Yes, sir.
2:23 "In you, Bethlehem, land of Judah, are by no means least among the leaders of Judah,
2:28 where far or far from you will come forth a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel."
2:35 So a lot of things here at the beginning.
2:36 So in verse 1, they talk about Bethlehem of Judea.
2:40 That's about 6 miles south of Jerusalem just for, you know, eugiography folks out there.
2:46 There's a mention almost immediately of Herod the King.
2:49 So I think enough is known about Herod.
2:51 Well, I don't want to assume enough is known about Herod, but Herod was a rough dude.
2:55 This a guy that was not shy about killing people that he thought was going to cross
2:59 him.
3:00 He killed three of the sons.
3:02 He killed his wife.
3:03 He killed his mother-in-law, and he killed, you know, numbers of other people.
3:06 So he features prominently in Matthew 2 when it talks about how the Magi or the Weizmann
3:13 saw, for we saw his star when it rose, that goes back to numbers 24/17.
3:19 And then at the end there, they're quoting the prophet Micah 5/2, talking about a ruler
3:26 that was going to shepherd the people of Israel.
3:29 So there's a lot to talk about there.
3:30 So you guys hop in wherever you'd like.
3:33 But if I'm going to, you know, camp on Herod for a minute, I think it's the word ruler
3:38 that came from the prophets that is really important here.
3:43 But perhaps the other thing to talk about here is because of nativity scenes, I think
3:49 we get the birth of Jesus story as it pertains to the Weizmann very, very wrong.
3:54 This is all happening up to two years.
3:57 There's up to two years difference between chapter one and chapter two here.
4:02 And the Weizmann, and I think this is important as well, the Weizmann likely traveled with
4:09 a large number of guards and a large number of attendants in some estimate and assume
4:13 that these Weizmann came from Babylon.
4:16 Now Babylon, where they would have been in Babylon is about 800 miles away from Bethlehem.
4:23 And so we're talking, if they go 20 something miles a day, it's going to take up 40 days
4:28 to get from Babylon, but again, the story in all the music is like, oh, it's like the
4:32 Weizmann were hanging out and, you know, the suburb of Bethlehem and just kind of mosey
4:36 their way over there following the star.
4:38 But the reason why verse four is so interesting here, when Herod inquired as to what was going
4:46 on, it showed that Herod and the Magi didn't really know the Old Testament prophecies.
4:51 The Magi were studying the stars and all that and just reacting to it.
4:55 And Herod, you know, being the ruler of these people had no idea what the prophets had said.
4:59 So I've talked for way too long here just at the jump.
5:01 So you guys hop in on anything there in the first six verses of Matthew two.
5:05 Yeah.
5:06 I mean, 800 miles, I mean, they had to been pretty committed, you know, to something they didn't
5:11 fully understand.
5:12 Yeah.
5:13 Well, and it's interesting because I in some of the research I did, I got the impression
5:18 that maybe they did know and that when they were asked, it wasn't like, it's almost like
5:23 they had it memorized.
5:24 I get what you're saying there, but just like, yeah, what was interesting to me, though,
5:28 was if they did come all that way, then why did they go to see Herod in the first place?
5:34 You know, so to your point, maybe that maybe it was kind of an incomplete understanding.
5:38 Because why did they need to stop there?
5:40 But they did, you know.
5:42 So yeah, so some of the research I did, like they did actually know the scriptures maybe
5:47 not fully well because they weren't, you know, they weren't, you know, practicing Jewish people.
5:52 But it's interesting where God has set up his kingdom and where Jerusalem is.
5:59 It's not the best land, not the biggest land doesn't yield the best crops.
6:04 But where is it set of crossroads for a lot of nations and a lot of nations to battle.
6:08 A lot of people have to go through Israel.
6:11 And so God is one that will proclaim his truth to the ends of the earth.
6:16 And so people who came through Jerusalem and Israel, whether they were Syrian or Babylonian
6:22 or Egyptian, they were preached the word of God.
6:25 And so God's words spread out from Israel to other places.
6:32 So the Magi who knew the stars, they knew astrology.
6:36 They also would have known scripture because they were taught scripture through some cultural
6:43 workings that had brought these truths.
6:46 And you know, you take what you like, you put out, you throw out what you don't like.
6:51 But they knew the scripture well enough to know that there was some important historical
6:56 figure that was going to be born here.
6:59 And they knew that prophecy well enough to get at least in the ballpark of where it was
7:05 going to be.
7:06 And again, all of history bends to God's will.
7:10 His truth and word was proclaimed even out from Israel to Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, like
7:17 all of those people knew of God's word because God's people were to be an example to the
7:23 world.
7:24 Yeah, it had been 400 years.
7:25 Yeah.
7:26 That's a long time.
7:27 I'm trying to think like, is there anything I've been waiting to wait on since 1600s and
7:32 done?
7:33 But I know of, I mean, so it'd been 400 years.
7:36 So just the fact that that had been passed on and passed on, even if it was a little
7:39 bit vague or whatever, or kind of rustling, I mean, it's still very impressive.
7:48 And then just the seer fact again that they sat on a voyage and were bound and determined
7:54 to meet the king.
7:55 Back to Herod.
7:56 And this is an interesting thing.
7:57 It's thought that Herod came from the line of Esau, who you remember from scripture is
8:04 in opposition to Jacob, who is Israel.
8:07 I think that's a very peculiar, but very intentional detail again that God puts in there.
8:14 His story is, there's Esau, who is in opposition to Jacob, Jacob takes his blessings and then
8:21 becomes the nation of Israel, but is opposed by his brother Esau.
8:26 And so here is Herod in direct opposition to Israel and Israel's true and rifle king.
8:34 What is wild and cool to think about?
8:37 What do you think like in verse three, when Herod the king heard this, he was troubled
8:41 in all Jerusalem with him?
8:43 Well, I think that means yeah, here's what I think.
8:45 I think that our nativity scenes that we have, we only have three wise men on there because
8:51 we just, that's, we don't have a whole lot of room on our, on our tables.
8:54 So they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll just make three of them.
8:57 But what I read was that there may have been hundreds of these wise men that were coming
9:03 through.
9:04 And three wise men walking into town probably don't create much of a stir, but 300 wise
9:10 men walking in, all going to see the king that has been born probably would stir the
9:16 town up, especially since he's called the king of the Jews and a king.
9:20 Well, they were, they were stirring the count up.
9:22 The commentary that I'm reading, it says, when they got into Jerusalem, saying, and the,
9:28 the Hebrew or the, the Greek word that's used there is an active verb, like they were actively
9:35 seeking people out.
9:36 Where is this person?
9:37 Where is, so they were stirring up some commotion in Jerusalem that Herod undoubtedly heard
9:43 about.
9:44 And who's this guy that they're going to worship, not coming to give me reverence or to worship
9:48 me or whatever, whatever I'm wanting as, as the ruler of this, um, nation of Israel.
9:54 Or like, why are they coming to see this guy and not me?
9:57 Right.
9:58 Cause Herod was, he was likely maniacal, sociopathic, but had to have been just self absorbed narcissist
10:06 to where it's like, you can't, almost like art as Xerxes, you just can't fathom that
10:10 anyone would do anything to defy you and to, to be in your presence and not be just full
10:16 of glee.
10:17 Uh, so yeah, there's certainly a lot wrapped up there in those first, when he, the, when
10:21 didn't he also plan on having a whole bunch of leaders killed upon his death?
10:27 Yeah, I, I'm pretty sure that he wanted other people to die along with him.
10:32 And of course they, they didn't do that when he, when they, when he died, they were like,
10:35 yeah, we're probably not going to do that.
10:37 So one of those like, yeah, sure, sure we will.
10:38 Yeah.
10:39 Well, cause you got Herod, he's the reason the temple was rebuilt.
10:42 He's the reason why, or at least the project started while he was still alive.
10:46 But there's so many amazing things, things built during his time period, but it wasn't
10:49 because he was like Nehemiah in that he was a great manager.
10:53 It's that people were working for him under threat of death constantly and deaths a pretty
10:58 awesome motivator to, to get, you know, the foundation poured in the blocks, you know,
11:02 set right.
11:03 Yeah, it's interesting.
11:04 And we're about to find out a little bit of a, you know, link here.
11:06 It's interesting.
11:07 He's not unlike another ruler that, that the Israelites are under in, in that of the
11:12 pharaoh and you're building things for me under threat of death.
11:17 And we're going to get there, but there's some links to, right.
11:20 And the hair and the Herod is a, it's like family.
11:24 It's a family name.
11:25 Right.
11:26 So there, there are multiple of them.
11:27 Is that correct?
11:28 Cause I believe the one that we're talking about dies.
11:32 Pretty quick after Jesus is right, but his, but his son or his, or his, I don't know
11:37 if it's, I think it's a son that said that's in power when Jesus was, was it just in his
11:41 ministry, right?
11:42 Yeah.
11:43 Yeah.
11:44 And he was way worse, way, way rougher if you can imagine.
11:47 Just as self-possessed.
11:48 Yeah.
11:49 Eric, if you could hit seven through 12 Roger, then Herod summoned the wise men secretly
11:56 and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared and he sent them to Bethlehem
12:02 saying, go and search diligent diligently for the child.
12:05 And when you have found him, bring me word that I too may come and worship him.
12:11 After listening to the king, they went on their way and behold the star that they had
12:15 seen when it rose before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was.
12:22 When they saw the star, they were joys exceedingly with great joy.
12:25 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and
12:30 worshiped him in opening their treasures.
12:32 They offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
12:38 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country
12:42 by another way.
12:44 There's another dream there that we see in the first two chapters of Matthew, there's
12:47 a lot of dreams and throughout Matthew two, we're going to see more dreams.
12:51 But verse nine, you know, with the star that's moving, that's a miracle.
12:55 You know, it's some call it maybe it was a supernova.
12:57 Maybe it was this or that, but this is where the time period I think is very important.
13:02 And again, we've been kind of lulled to sleep by the nativity scenes that we have seen in
13:06 our lifetime because the wise men were not at the birth of Jesus.
13:10 Full stop.
13:11 They're in the manger and by the way, a manger wasn't, you know, the bed wasn't made of
13:17 wood and hay.
13:18 Like these mangers back in that day were like concrete and stone and that's where the baby
13:22 would be.
13:23 But that that's just kind of a side deal.
13:24 But you know, the wise men are commonly depicted being there amongst the animals, but they
13:29 arrived like Jesus was upwards of two years old by the time the wise men got there.
13:35 And again, there's so much here and I'll just throw a bunch out there and then y'all can
13:38 talk about whatever, but they were pagans, but then they had enough sense to worship a
13:44 child, a toddler, like even without, I guess, really full understanding of that.
13:50 Um, then again, you have the gold frankincense and Murr and, you know, that fulfills a lot
13:54 of different Old Testament prophecies about, you know, significant, uh, gifts that were
13:59 given, uh, you know, Psalm 72 10 that was significant gifts given by, uh, Gentiles, Isaiah 66.
14:06 There were a bunch of other references as well.
14:09 And then again, verse 12, we have a dream, uh, well, actually I want to save a commentary
14:14 on verse 12.
14:15 So anything on seven through 12 that y'all want to discuss, go ahead and get after it.
14:20 I immediately thought of, cause you're talking about them being pagans.
14:23 They obviously weren't Jewish people, but my mind goes to Romans two, 15, like we all
14:29 have the law of God written on our heart.
14:31 We all know inherently, you know, of some power that is not of us, it's not of this world
14:37 that has created this, this earth, right?
14:40 And so I think, I think you're so, that's, that's kind of where my head went to like,
14:43 okay, like they are, they are image bearers of God, they're people.
14:48 And so I think, yeah, that's where I went to was we all have that.
14:51 I mean, it's just some other searching, another example of the way that God works, right?
14:56 That's amazing.
14:57 I mean, they were basically, and I don't know what they're, they're like, you know, religious
15:02 kind of history was or what they practiced, but they were obviously astrologers, you
15:07 know, or aspiring astrologers, right?
15:08 And that's what was, that's what led them there.
15:11 And then boom, like you said, they just get there and worship this baby.
15:14 And it's like, the world, I mean, what, what possessed them to do that or to know that
15:19 like this is what we're supposed to do when we get there, right?
15:22 I mean, you could almost, it would almost make more sense if they got there and they
15:26 saw a baby and they were really disappointed.
15:28 Yeah, you know, that I would make more support in the world.
15:30 Yeah.
15:31 Yeah.
15:32 So.
15:33 Well, and I, and I read here, you know, when, when Herod was saying to him, say, report
15:36 to me.
15:37 So that I too may come right and worship him.
15:40 You know, I was thinking about a couple of weeks back about just kind of this idea of
15:45 being wooed.
15:46 You know, I'm wondering if the, if Herod brought him in, like, Hey, let's, let's all gather
15:49 around and have some dinner, hang out, you know, let's talk.
15:52 And in, in the process of the, the eating and whatnot and being catered to got to a point
16:01 where Herod's like, you know, trying to, trying to get some information out of them,
16:05 you know, and, and then you see that and I, and I think we're going to get into a minute.
16:09 Just their, their word they wooed is that why there needed to be a dream to tell them
16:14 not to return.
16:15 Yeah.
16:16 It's just a diabolical plot to do that.
16:20 And when we get into verse 12, the thing I want to talk about, cause we, you know, it's,
16:24 it's just a quick thing.
16:25 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country
16:30 by another way.
16:32 So just one line, but, you know, that was kind of a diabolical scheme and a good way
16:37 for the wise men to avoid Herod, um, dreams guys can just be a really, it can be a really
16:43 strange thing.
16:45 Dreams can be very easily misunderstood here recently. I've been, you know, I'll take
16:50 like some magnesium and some, uh, uh, different, you know, supplements right before bed to
16:55 try to get more sleep, but I'm having these crazy vivid dreams and I'll wake up and I
17:00 don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about my dreams and I'll wake up and be like, why
17:03 who, what, there were a lot of people on that dream that are not connected.
17:08 What is going on?
17:09 And, you know, if you're a fall Carl Jung and do all that kind of stuff, maybe you'll start
17:13 really digging down into dreams and dreamscapes and different things like that, but what it
17:18 made me think about is the undeniable way that the gospel can move by any means necessary.
17:31 And what I mean by that specifically is when you have people in Iraq or Afghanistan, you
17:38 know, these types of countries, specifically Muslim countries, there are tons and tons
17:43 and tons of stories of Jesus visiting Muslims in their dreams and revealing himself to them
17:48 in their dreams. So they're not hearing the gospel from a missionary that's just going
17:53 door to door in, you know, Kandahar, like, you know, trying to, you know, help spread,
17:59 spread the gospel and to make converts. Jesus is coming them to them in their dreams. It
18:03 reminds me of Bill Koreshy and his story, you know, he was in America when, when that
18:07 was going down, but it's like Jesus revealed himself to that man, a lifelong Muslim in his
18:12 dreams. And it's like, I guess I don't really know what my question is, but it's just like,
18:17 do I put not enough emphasis on dreams? Like should I, you know, be going to see somebody
18:21 to see if they can determine what my dreams mean? Do I need to become charismatic? Like,
18:25 you know what I mean? They just, it's a hard deal. God will do what God wants to do. And
18:29 then this is such a cliche, but putting God in a box, like I think we can think and God
18:36 doesn't work that way. Again, God will do whatever he wants to do.
18:40 Yeah, I mean, when I was 10, I was going to youth group and our youth pastor shared the
18:52 gospel after he washed all our feet. And I remember in that moment thinking, this is
18:58 not the God that I thought I knew. This is a God that serves and loves and is sacrificial.
19:06 I thought about God as the lightning bolt, you know, ready to just take me out. And so
19:11 that was a big, huge shift. And so I gave my life to Christ that at that moment. But I
19:16 did not, what I did not fully understand is that that I was saved like forever upon that
19:23 decision. And so I struggled with for what felt like months, it may have not been that
19:28 long, feeling like every single day I needed to ask Jesus back into my heart again, and
19:34 then again, and it just to be careful just to be sure, because I didn't know if I'd done
19:38 something wrong or felt, you know, whatever. And I remember distinctly we were living in
19:43 Kingsville, Texas. And one night I had a dream. And in the dream, it was like the ultimate
19:50 like Jiu Jitsu, you know, match between Jesus and Satan. And I was in the middle of it. And
19:57 at one point, Jesus had this arm. And same time, Satan had this arm. And they were pulling
20:03 and yanking and pulling and yanking and fighting. And then all of a sudden I was third party
20:07 looking, you know, from back here, like I was above my body watching the action and was
20:12 just rooting for Jesus, rooting for Jesus, rooting for Jesus. And I don't remember hearing anything
20:18 audible other than I knew in that moment that what Jesus was communicating is that I have won
20:24 you. And you are mine, and you don't have to continue to do this. And I remember waking
20:30 up in a sweat, and remembering that dream and just how vivid it was and knowing that
20:37 I did not need to ask Jesus in my heart anymore.
20:40 Hmm. You were 10. That was 10. Wow. What a powerful story. Does anybody have one that
20:46 can top that? I mean, my goodness, throw down the gauntlet here. I don't have any cool dream
20:50 stories, except for I forget all of them. I do not to be with my mind as well. Hey, but
20:55 Caleb was got a cult before. So that's really that is a really cool story. I don't know.
21:01 I just I just thought of this as we were reading Matthew to 911 is what comes to mind when I
21:07 was studying Isaiah, I wrote this down as I was studying Isaiah 60. I did not bring that
21:14 in correlation to studying Matthew. But as we're sitting here, I think back to this. I'm
21:19 going to read something in Isaiah 60 and just want you guys to tell me what you think this
21:23 sounds like. And then we can talk about like why why three is the number of the wise men
21:28 that is typically landed on. And I think there's a reason for that. So we're in Isaiah 60 verse
21:33 verse two, verse two, be basically, but the Lord will arise upon you and his glory will
21:37 be seen upon you and nations shall come to your light and kings to the brightness of
21:43 your rising. Lift up your eyes all around and see they all gather together. They come
21:48 to you. Your son shall come from afar and your daughter shall be carried on the hip.
21:53 Then you shall see and be radiant. Your heart shall your heart shall thrill and exalt because
21:59 the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you. The wealth of the nation shall come to
22:03 you. A multitude of camels shall cover you. The young camels of Midian and if IFA, all
22:10 those from Sheba shall come. They shall bring gold and frankincense and shall bring good
22:17 news. The praises of the Lord. What does that sound like? That sounds a lot like the
22:23 major scene, does it not? Yeah. Yeah. But they brought Mer. What's interesting is Mer is
22:29 not reference there, which has to do with death. Right. Yeah. That is very interesting.
22:36 But like even, even in Isaiah 60, we have this scene that sets up a lot like the major scene.
22:43 I think Matthew is very specifically talking. Like that would have probably brought to mind
22:48 Jewish people who are hearing this or reading this, Isaiah 60 and what that means to them.
22:54 And Midian, IFA and Sheba, that is a lot of people think that or some people think that
23:01 the wise men came out of that region. And that's why there's three, because there's three
23:05 lines or three places mentioned there. So that's why that's three would be considered
23:09 the number. Yeah. That's a, I was, I was going to mention one thing about the dreams. I've
23:14 got a buddy who him and his wife and his two daughters have been, three daughters, maybe,
23:19 have been missionaries for Jesus in Beirut for 15 plus years. So you mentioned Kyle just
23:26 that we, you maybe don't put enough weight on your dreams or trying to, you know, whatever
23:31 it is, remember, or whatever, I think a lot of that is because of just kind of our heritage
23:35 too. I mean, like their, their heritage, their religious heritage is that dreams are very
23:40 important. Right. And so they actually, this is one of the ways that they pray for the,
23:45 the people they're ministering too often is just that the Lord would come to them in
23:48 their dreams. And it happens all the time. I mean, like they'll talk about it. Like someone,
23:53 they'll wake up some morning to a knock at their door that someone's like, Hey, I had
23:56 this dream last night, we need to talk about it. I mean, it happens like consistently. So
24:00 I think some of it's just that it doesn't, it's not the primary way that the Lord's maybe
24:05 going to find people in America, you know, but I mean, in, in certain places, he's going
24:10 to find people through different ways. Like there's actually more weight that they put
24:14 on the fact that it was a dream. It wasn't just having a conversation with some crazy
24:18 person on the street from, you know, Oklahoma, we've been going back to a conversation we
24:23 had weeks ago about the distractions we feel. But when I was talking about people don't
24:29 have a, you know, conscious, they have consciousness, but they don't have a like internal dialogue,
24:35 right. And so if from the moment you wake up until the moment you go to bed, you've got
24:40 either your phone in your hand or your screen in front of you, or you're doing something
24:43 or working on something, maybe Jesus is just, you know, God's trying to get a word in, they
24:48 can't do it while you're awake. And I had somebody last year, like sent me a five minute
24:53 long deal because they had a dream with me in it. And they kind of, you know, gave me
24:57 some details and things like that. And whenever they sent it to me and described it to me,
25:00 I was like, I don't know what any of this means. And they took it to a person a pastor in their
25:06 church who kind of does a lot with dream analysis and try to figure out how does this
25:11 can port with scripture and how does this kind of kind of go. And there's been things
25:17 that have happened even recently. I know I'm kind of being cryptic in the way I'm describing
25:19 it, but there's things that have happened recently where it's like that dream starting
25:22 to make sense. And it's not because I'm manifesting something. It's not because I'm, it's because
25:27 I'm noticing things more. Some of these connections that have just been there for a while. It's
25:31 like that dream is kind of a glue that is connecting these dots a little bit better. So I, you
25:36 know, don't hear something we're not saying, which is like, Hey, you need to just put a
25:39 whole bunch of weight on your dreams, but dreams are not in and of themselves insignificant.
25:45 They can tell us something and teach us something and God can try to get to us through our dreams
25:49 as well.
25:50 I think we can wrap that up with going back to chapter one, where what we know about Joseph
25:56 is he was a devout, righteous Jew who, if he was that was in, in the scriptures, knew
26:03 the scriptures. And so I'm not saying that the Bible says this, but Paul calls us to
26:09 be like the brands and test things against the scripture. I could easily see him knowing
26:13 the scripture, knowing that all these things are prophesied through the, through the books
26:19 of the Old Testament, the books of the prophets, the book, book of the law. And then an angel
26:23 says to him in a dream, this is what's happened. Okay. Yeah. Like our books are the Torah says
26:31 that like, there are things that that speak to that. So I can take this dream and line
26:37 it up against my scriptures that I'm in daily and I know by heart and that I, that I've been
26:42 studying since I was a child, I can line those up against scripture and say, okay, yeah,
26:47 this wasn't God didn't say something that was just out of left field that no one had
26:52 ever heard of before. You could have gone to the scriptures and seen this, this was prophesied
26:58 from the beginning. And so I could very easily see Joseph going, yeah, okay. Yeah, that makes
27:02 sense. This is in the book I read. Right. Well, and you have to remember, like, since the
27:06 very beginning Satan has been on a mission to prevent the end of the world coming to be
27:14 because he knows he's going to lose. He was told that. And so from the very beginning,
27:19 he was like, well, man, maybe I can pit brother against brother and just destroy God's family
27:25 right from the outset. And so you had Cain and Abel, you know, you have the flood when
27:31 you know, I'm sure Satan was like, Oh man, he's getting rid of everybody. This is amazing.
27:35 And and then God, you know, weaves a new thread through that, you know, the whole idea of
27:41 a disqualification through the line of whatever and thinking, okay, I've cut it off, you know,
27:47 and now the Savior can't come this way. But then he finds another way of coming around,
27:51 you know, through Mary. And then finally, you know, the birth, you know, wanting to
27:55 kill the actual savior of the world. So he, I mean, obviously possesses Herod and puts
28:03 it in his mind to kill children in a certain area and we'll get to it. Yeah. You know,
28:09 and with the same intent, like trying to cut off the line, trying to cut with God's plan,
28:13 like 30 D chess. Yeah, checkers. Yeah, when we're getting there, let's go and keep that
28:18 going. Matt, can you read 13 14 and 15? Sure. Now when they had departed, behold, an angel
28:23 of the Lord appeared to Joseph at a dream and said rise, take the child and his mother
28:28 and flee to Egypt and remain there until I tell you for Herod is about to search for
28:32 the child to destroy him. And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and
28:36 departed to Egypt and remain there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what
28:41 the Lord had spoken by the prophet by the prophet out of Egypt. I have called my son.
28:47 So that's prophet Hosea. And that's Hosea 11 one. And the Egyptian border was about 90
28:54 miles from Bethlehem. I saw somewhere I can't remember where I read it that they weren't
28:58 there for a long time. It could have just been weeks, like a few weeks that they were there
29:03 because it's reported that Herod died in four BC, which would put Jesus's birth somewhere
29:09 between six BC and four BC. So that's essentially what we're looking at. Let's go ahead and
29:15 go on to 16 through 18 Caleb, if you can get that one.
29:19 Then would hear when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the Magi, he became very enraged
29:24 and sent men and killed all the boys who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity who were
29:28 two years old or younger, according to the time which he had determined from the Magi.
29:33 Then what had been spoken through Jeremiah, the prophet was fulfilled. A voice was heard
29:37 in Rama, weeping in great morning, Rachel weeping for her children. She refused to be
29:42 comforted because they were no more.
29:44 So that's Jeremiah 31 15. So a lot here, obviously just unfathomable brutality and evil here.
29:54 I remember being confused by this scripture like, because again, I got the timeline wrong
29:58 for most of my life, whereas like, Hey, you know, he's looking for a newborn baby. Why
30:03 is he killing two year olds? Like that's just needless. The whole thing is needless bloodshed,
30:08 but it's like extra needless. But no, Jesus was somewhere between, you know, one day and
30:13 two years old. So that's basically why this happened. The estimates are that between 10
30:19 and 30 boys were killed in this community.
30:25 I have another thought. I'll leave it for a second. But just imagine wherever you live
30:31 or they local magistrate to give the death penalty to every child in that age range,
30:38 of which I have one. And just like, I mean, can a community recover from that? Because
30:45 I mean, there are, there are school shootings that will basically turn towns into ghost
30:50 towns. You know, what we saw in Uvaldi like that, that town is suffered immeasurably and
30:56 that's generational pain that I mean, you just can't, to a degree, you can't get over
31:01 what some of these people dealt with considering all the things that went into what happened
31:07 there in that town. But I mean, I just I think about that because again, it's just a few
31:11 lines, but we're talking about people that will now be mourning for the rest of their
31:15 lives in a time period where infant mortality was high. And you know, people lost their
31:20 children, but they lost their children to illness or disease that they couldn't treat
31:24 or something like that, not murder, like by, you know, the goons of a local magistrate.
31:30 I mean, this is a gangland killing that that we're seeing. It's just, I mean, for whatever
31:35 reason, well, it's not for whatever reasons, because I have two young boys now, like I
31:38 was just struck by the brutality of this.
31:40 It is very striking, but it's also the Old Testament speaking to the dresser. It's a dress
31:46 rehearsal for the New Testament. And obviously, this, this is a direct link to Pharaoh killing
31:54 the firstborn of the Israelites and wanting to wipe out a generation of people. And, and
32:02 it's so crazy to think like even even going back to Egypt, and I'd said God plays 30
32:09 deep chest, not checkers, he had literally told his people do not ever go back to Egypt.
32:15 And then they tried to go back and Isaiah, he chastises them. I told you not to go back
32:19 to Egypt. I brought you out. I said, do not go back. And so if, if Satan knows the scriptures,
32:25 he, he undoubtedly knows that. So where would he think not to look? Egypt. God told him not
32:30 to go back. What does God send Christ to Egypt? Like there's this like kind of gamesmanship
32:36 that you can see here, like, man, you, like, you know the scripture, but you don't know
32:39 the plan. And you, you have already lost. And, and there's just so many, there's, it's all
32:47 linked together. And it's such a cool story to see. Obviously on this side, we can see
32:51 it playing out, but man, God is so cool. The way he weaves things to his glory.
32:56 Yeah. And even just, I mean, who would have thought and just, just to fulfill the three
33:01 prophecies of Jesus being from Bethlehem, being born in Bethlehem, also being from Egypt.
33:08 And then it was as we'll see being from Galilee. You know, it's like, wait, what? How, how
33:13 is he all of those things, you know? And yet God, like you said, just kind of plays it
33:17 out.
33:18 Literally replaying kind of the journey of the Israelite people like to Egypt. Now, okay,
33:23 I'm calling you back out and here we go. Let's do it. Well, in the Reformation study Bible
33:27 said that Jesus like Moses was saved as a baby and would go on to rescue God's chosen
33:32 people. And that's, I mean, yeah, the, the corollaries are so, so drastic that that they're
33:39 almost impossible to ignore. Yeah. Now, there's something I want to talk about here, which
33:44 again, we're acknowledging that God could have done it another way or whatever. But
33:49 just think what if Herod had killed Jesus, which I know it even sounds theoretical saying
33:56 it like that, because Jesus was the one foretold. And you know, as we broke down with the genealogy
34:03 from Matthew one, like it was 14 generations plus leading up to this moment. But let's
34:10 just use a parallel universe example that let's say Herod had succeeded in what he wanted
34:16 to do. He literally set out to kill the foretold Messiah. Like, I'm trying to put myself and
34:23 it's kind of easy for me to put myself in different people's shoes, like even people
34:27 that murder people are people that do these crazy heinous things. It's like, I can kind
34:30 of get myself there, but that forgot to be a leader of a certain people group. Obviously,
34:36 he didn't believe it. Like he didn't believe, you know, the prophets, he didn't believe
34:40 any of these writings. But his, his goal was to set out to kill the Messiah. Like what,
34:46 what do you even call that? Like, I just like all the words I can come up with don't even
34:50 like really give it justice. Oh, what? Like, what do you call that decision? Like, it's
34:56 not like it's evil. It's more than evil. It's like it's more than that. Like, I think that's
35:02 say, I think that is Satan at work. I think that is Satan trying to snuff out the savior
35:08 of the world. And I imagine that Herod probably thought he accomplished his goal. He killed
35:13 a bunch of kids and Jesus wasn't there. And to his knowledge, he probably, yep, we did
35:18 it. Okay.
35:19 Well, and we know that from scripture that there are, there are demons that are assigned
35:25 to different areas around the world, you know, so it would make sense that there was a demon
35:34 that was assigned to Herod. And when the time came, that demon basically had a powerful
35:40 influence over the decisions he was making.
35:43 Well, Satan loves the sacrifice of children too. For sure. I mean, just to think about
35:48 modern day with abortion, because what was here seeking to do? Well, if he could, he
35:54 would have loved to have killed Mary while she was still pregnant, right, which would
35:57 have been a double murder, you know, murder and an abortion kind of a thing.
36:00 Isn't that interesting? Like the, the, all these dreams, you know, it just makes me
36:04 wonder, you know, that was the divine intervention in that moment to save Joseph from making a
36:10 bat, ultimately making a bad decision. I know he's a righteous man, but like, you
36:15 know, intervening in these moments to basically be like, listen, don't do this, do this.
36:20 But even like just, just this being God's story playing out and showing God's power,
36:26 it's like Herod's entire life was satanic, right? I mean, that, whatever that demon was
36:31 that had control over that. I mean, that had existed way before Jesus came on the scene,
36:36 you know, but still to put Jesus in Bethlehem right there with Herod in the neighborhood.
36:41 You know, it's like, this is just another way to show God's sovereignty. I mean, in
36:44 my opinion, I mean, it's kind of just another way to show, like, look, like, you know, you're
36:49 not Satan's not in control of this period. Yeah, absolutely. Caleb, go and close Matthew
36:55 to Alice, talk about 19 through 23. But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared
37:02 in him in a dream to Joseph in Egypt and said, get up, take the child and his mother, go
37:08 to the land of Israel for those who sought the child's life or dead. So Joseph got up,
37:12 took the child and his mother and came into the land of Israel. But when he heard that
37:16 arkuleas was raining over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there.
37:22 Then after being warned by God in a dream, he left for the regions of Galilee and came
37:27 and settled in a city called Nazareth. This happened so that what was spoken through the
37:31 prophets would be fulfilled. He would be called a Nazarene. Two more dreams right in that section.
37:37 What are you laughing for? How did all of history been to God's will? And like, it is
37:42 just so cool to see that play out. Like, I just can't help but chuckle because we serve
37:47 a God that just can do what he wants.
37:50 And again, we're talking about a large chunk of time here, like this was not, you know,
37:55 kind of we can read it in 30 seconds, but it took, you know, months, years, potentially
38:00 for a lot of these things to go down. Two more dreams come through. And then this kind
38:04 of goes back to a discussion that I brought up when we were talking in Matthew one, which
38:11 is there was this north south divide in the kingdom where, you know, Galilee was in the
38:16 north, the people from the south Jerusalem. They did not have high opinions of the northerners.
38:22 Now at the end there, where it's talking about Nazareth and how you would be called the Nazarene,
38:26 there's not a direct Old Testament connection to, and he would be called a Nazarene. But
38:32 it just points to the revelation that Jesus would be despised, which is talked about throughout
38:37 the Old Testament, because people Nazareth was a despised city during that time. And
38:44 so were its inhabitants. Like that's why you see, you know, later on in Jesus life, like,
38:48 you know what, can anything good come from Nazareth? And I tried to think of a modern
38:53 corollary and I couldn't really think of one as like, you know, as Americans, because
38:58 these were all people that were, you know, in Israel, right? But as Americans, there's
39:02 not like a city where the city is despicable and everyone in it is despicable. There may
39:08 be cities we don't like cities where we wouldn't send our kids to public school. But you're
39:12 not going to say like, Oh my gosh, everyone in San Francisco is just despicable. Well,
39:16 well, no, like they're Bible believing Christians that have ministries there that are trying
39:20 to save people from their, you know, sinful choices and into gravity. But it's just again,
39:26 it's very interesting to see that, you know, Jesus didn't come in on his throne already.
39:32 He came and we see from Scripture that he wasn't a especially attractive young man. There's
39:37 nothing attractive about him and he came from probably the worst city for a Messiah to come
39:41 from during this time period. It's just fairly incredible.
39:44 Yeah, he totally flipped the script, right? Because everybody thought, Oh, well, when he
39:49 comes, he's going to come with power and a sword. He's going to overthrow the Romans
39:54 and everything's going to be great. And that's not exactly how that went down. You know,
39:59 so as we'll see later on, it becomes very confusing, I think, to a lot of people.
40:04 Yeah, I think you you think of David and that Jesus comes from the line of David. You think
40:10 of a king who conquers and yeah, I'm ready for this guy to ride in with his army and I'm
40:15 ready to let's yeah, come, come kill the Romans for us. Come, come, come deliver us from this
40:21 oppressive government. And we're ready. Oh, wait, that guy's from Nazareth. That can't
40:28 be the that can't be the son of David. It can't be because it can't be. It does not fit
40:35 our narrative. Yeah, right. And you just have to think again, you have to try to put yourself
40:42 in the shoes of a first century Jew that, you know, they know a little bit about Jesus'
40:47 story now, but then we skip ahead to when Jesus is in his 30s and they know the Old Testament.
40:52 It's written on their heart because they memorized it, right? But then they just they missed it
40:58 somehow. And you know, you talk to modern day Jews about Isaiah 53. And it's like, what
41:04 else would Isaiah 53 need to say for you to believe that Jesus was the one that checked
41:09 all the boxes? And then you learn that in Jewish midrushes and different Jewish schools,
41:15 they don't even teach the 53rd chapter of Isaiah. They don't even teach that. That's the that's
41:20 the Pierce for our transgressions. Is that the by history? Wait, which one is that? Yeah,
41:25 I think I think Browning, are you pulling it up? Nope. I was pulling something else. Oh,
41:29 sorry. Dang it. All right. Let's just go there. Sorry, Joby. If I was mess that up,
41:33 we'll do it live. Sorry, Joby. Like I'm not even close, probably. Yeah, I'm the one that
41:39 brought it up and I didn't even have it up. And I don't have a normal Bible in front of
41:43 me. I just have the one here. But yeah, you got it. I was a 53 now. I didn't. Okay,
41:48 I'm over two on you. I'm going to. All right. Come on. All right. I'm racing.
41:54 Y'all using the air. I'm here. All right. What is it? 53. What? 53. Oh, yeah. Don't
42:00 do that. That was right. Go is 53 five. Yeah. Go ahead. You can read it. Y'all can read one
42:07 word at a time. Just go back and forth if you want to. But he was peers for our transgressions.
42:12 He was crushed for our iniquities upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace
42:17 and with his wounds, we are healed. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. Yeah.
42:22 But I mean, when you look at that, like, because you would think like, how could they miss
42:26 it? But it's like they're purposefully ignorant now because they don't want their their, you
42:31 know, young Jewish kids to be reading about the 53rd Psalm. And it's like, I don't think
42:35 it's just, you know, an accidental oversight. One might say foolish. Yeah, certainly foolish.
42:40 But I mean, you just read all the way through it. There are other parts of this. Anyway,
42:47 I can't really get into that now. But it's a, it's an interesting thing to kind of think
42:52 about because we get to see the end of the story. And so we think, God, we're so smart.
42:57 Like we would have known that. But I think that brings up a discussion about, well, go
43:00 ahead Browning. Yeah, this will tie. I think it'll tie in. So I've got revelation five,
43:05 you know, and remember, John got caught up and he's seeing all these things. And, you
43:08 know, John was just as excited to see the conquering king in the Messiah and all as everybody
43:14 else. And so when they're looking at someone to open the scroll and, you know, everybody's
43:21 looked around, there's nobody. Then finally, it's like, Oh, no, there is someone that's
43:24 worthy. And it's the lion of the tribe of Judah. And I'm sure that I'm sure John was
43:31 like, whoa, check it out. Check it out. Who is this guy? Where's this guy? And he looks
43:35 around and it says, it says right here says, and between the throne and the four living
43:40 creatures and among the elders, I saw a lamb standing as though it had been slain. So the
43:45 lion of Judah was the slain lamb. You know, again, he had expected one thing and he got
43:51 something else, but no less powerful.
43:54 No, that that's a very good verse. And it's it is very, it does speak to like what narrative
44:01 do we play out in our head? Because you can read that and go, Oh, sweet. And you're thinking
44:05 lion, because it's very the lion of Judah is worthy to open the scroll. And then I saw
44:09 Oh, I am. Wait, what? Like, yeah, so I can see how a lot of people would miss that because
44:16 you're you're you're ready. You're ready for this guy to come with swords and fire and
44:21 just kill some people because the Romans suck.
44:26 When it's it's you're thinking that's going to happen because that's what you want. Yeah.
44:31 And I think I don't know if I can't remember, Caleb, if you and I've talked about this before,
44:34 but there's a book called Ordinary Men. And this is a book that's been on my book list
44:39 for forever and I haven't gotten to it. But is the Metaxes book? No, seven ordinary men.
44:45 Oh, yeah, so ordinary men is by this is on our I don't know, it's not on our book list.
44:52 But this is here we go. Internet Ordinary Men Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the final
44:58 solution in Poland by Christopher R Browning. And so basically it this details a police force
45:05 in Poland. So these were polls these weren't Germans. But how they went from being a normal
45:10 police force, you know, battalion battalion 101. And they evolved all the way to being
45:17 part of the Nazi death squads where they were marching women into the woods, stripping them
45:22 naked and shooting them and throwing them into shallow graves. And people in maternity
45:30 will read this book and think to themselves, how could they? They will clutch their pearls
45:35 and they will just pat themselves on their self righteous backs and be like, I would never.
45:41 But Jordan Peterson did this for me. Jordan Peterson has crushed any possibility that if
45:48 I were living in Poland at that time and been part of battalion 101 to think that I would
45:53 have been the one guy saying we shouldn't do this. I am just as capable of that evil
45:59 as those men. And you can go to anytime, like if I were in the ruling party during the Soviet
46:05 era, like what I have marched people to the Gulag during the transatlantic slave trade,
46:11 would I have been one of the people that was, you know, trading in bodies? You know, I come
46:16 from Choctaw Indian roots. Would I have been the Indian, you know, asking for other Indians
46:21 to smoke the peace pipe with them? Or would I've been taking scouts and taking women and
46:26 taking slaves? Like, I'm not so naive to think that I would have been the righteous man during
46:33 that. Now, again, we're not going to go into another discussion about election, but it's
46:36 like, well, no, no, you would have been the same person then and God would have chosen
46:40 you and you would have been set apart and maybe you would have acted in a different way. But
46:42 just generically, I think it's better for us and modernity as Christians to look back
46:48 on these Jewish people almost with pity and be like, what a pity they missed it. But I
46:54 probably would have missed it too, because I wouldn't have wanted it to be true, because
46:58 my formulation for truth didn't have that in it. And so I just wanted to kind of thrust
47:03 that into the discussion that guys, just because you're not currently marching people to their
47:07 deaths during the Nazi regime in the early 20th century doesn't mean that you wouldn't
47:11 have been had you been there during that time.
47:13 Yeah, we have the luxury of looking at history through a modern lens and the morality that
47:18 we know today is not the same. And so yeah, I think that that's a dangerous thing to go
47:25 into and think that, oh, I wouldn't have been like that. I wouldn't have done that or out
47:30 of stood up. And that's really easy to say. But look at how you are. I think I think abortion
47:38 is our as our modern day equivalent of slavery. And I think the history will look back at
47:43 our society with disdain on how we treated abortion. And I think hundreds of years from
47:50 now, people will go, God, those people killed all those kids. Why? Why didn't no one do more?
47:57 Why didn't these people do more? And I think they'll look at pastors like we look at Jonathan
48:01 Edwards who owned slaves and or Thomas Jefferson. Like the guy literally wrote a document that
48:10 would be used to end slavery. But he also owned slaves. And I all I think all of that just
48:20 points back to God will use crooked pencils to to to write his straight lines. And yeah,
48:30 we I don't think I don't think we should fall into that trap of, I mean, if I was back there,
48:34 I'd have done it this way because one, I'll be not the case.
48:36 And I don't want to get off to political here as we as we wrap. But it's not crazy to think
48:42 that within a few generations, we will be gaslit about who was pro the sacrifice of babies via
48:48 abortion. Because, you know, you'll see these man on the street interviews where people talk
48:52 about the KKK. KKK was founded by the Democratic Party. Those were Democrats that were part of
48:57 the KKK. Like they think, Oh, white, southerners had to admit Republicans. It's like, no, no,
49:04 that certainly wasn't the case. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves had to be a Democrat. No,
49:08 he was a Republican now. We can't be so naive to think that the modern Republican party platform
49:13 was the same as it was during Abraham Lincoln's time. But but again, that's one thing that if
49:19 posterity of people are listening to this and posterity, hopefully it's not prophetic, but it
49:23 very likely will be that they will be gaslit into thinking that, Oh, no, no, no, we weren't pro
49:29 abortion, we were pro this or it was actually the other side. Because when you're that far removed
49:33 from the people that are actually living and breathing that philosophy, it's easy to gaslight
49:38 him and say, that's not what we said. Or surely that's not what they meant. And you know, we live in
49:42 this time. You know, I think Caleb, you either brought it up this week or last week, we're kind
49:45 of in this postmodern moment where truth is my truth and truth is relative and all these different
49:50 things. And you know, when when you can assume you can explain what somebody else was thinking
49:57 generations ago, of whom you have no connection, I'm going to default to believing what somebody
50:02 says. So when someone says, no, I don't, I know that this is a living human being inside. I mean,
50:06 I just want to kill it. Take them at their word. Like they're not a poor, you know, poor woman
50:12 that just need to leg up. And this is just something the government can help her with so that she can
50:16 get back on her feet. This is an evil woman that knows what she's doing. Or this is an evil man
50:20 that knows what he's doing as he's driving her there and holding her hand as she's going through
50:24 the process. And so again, didn't want to jump off too much on a tangent there. But I think I
50:28 think we're given a choice because I think not everybody fell into that trap of being being an
50:34 even a Nazi sympathizer. Like we're given a choice would would would we be by be like Bonhoeffer?
50:41 Bonhoeffer was so devoted to the scripture and understanding and knowing what God's truth was,
50:46 he called Hitler for what he was way before anybody else got on board. And if you have not
50:52 read anything about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, I that it's one of the he's one of the most incredible men
50:57 of modern history who stood on truth who stood on God's word and said, no, this isn't right.
51:04 He implored other ministers and pastors in Germany to speak out against Hitler and he was chastised.
51:12 He was he lost his ministry. He he was but he he I think he died at 33 as well, which is
51:20 interesting. I'm not don't read too much into that, but he he died very young. But
51:25 he was so committed to the truth that he was involved in a plot to try to kill Hitler.
51:31 And that guy was not he was not a big burly jiu-jitsu gun wielded. No, yeah, dude,
51:40 but he's a thought nonetheless. It's a I mean, it's an arrogance that makes us think that, right?
51:45 That like, oh, if I was in that time, I would do this differently and it would be more more
51:49 holy in line with the Lord's teaching and all those things. But it's also an incorrect view of
51:54 ourselves and of the Lord, right? Is that it's like, no, we know from scripture that anything good
52:01 that comes from us is because of him. And we know that even my best efforts are filthy rags, right?
52:06 So how could we say if we have a right view of the Lord and of ourselves, how could we say back
52:10 then that, well, I would make the right choice? You know, it's it's whatever God would do with us.
52:14 But it's also like, it's also an invitation to take some internal
52:17 inventory. Like, what am I doing? Like, how do I view this?
52:26 Question some things. Like, it's an invitation to speak out against the culture, the culture,
52:32 too, as well. And I think it would do pastor as well to heed that warning of because people,
52:38 especially on the left, they love to throw around the, well, you're just on the wrong side of history.
52:42 So it's good. It's like, am I am I on the wrong side of history? You think what's growing inside
52:48 the belly of a woman is meaningless and worthless. And you can't defend the reason why. And you cloak
52:54 it with all these euphemisms that make you feel good. Right. So but pastors have bought into the
53:00 11th commandment, thou shalt be nice all the time under all circumstances. And they think that that
53:05 leads them to being quiet on issues that no one should be quiet on, because everyone's so scared,
53:11 modern pastors are so scared to be calling, being called a Christian nationalist, or they're trying
53:15 to set up a theocracy or something like that. But as we talked about, we're not going to, you know,
53:19 open this up too far. But a theocracy is a bad thing. A theonomy is a good thing. A theocracy
53:24 is where the state picks a religion and forces it down the throats of the people against their will,
53:29 whereas a theonomy is where the state operates as a republic that allows a ancient, you know,
53:36 religious texts, you know, all out of the Bible to, you know, force them in a moral direction as
53:42 they're making all of their standards and, you know, foundations for the society that they're building.
53:47 And so for these modern pastors to just say, Oh, you know, we're just going to be about the gospel.
53:52 We're not going to get into all these social issues. What you're saying is, I think only
53:55 atheists should be running the government. I think only atheists should be teachers. I think only
54:00 atheists should be working and running companies. So when you say that, be prepared for the consequences
54:05 of a world that is bending the knee to Satan, which is the ultimate expression through atheism.
54:11 Yeah, and every single law that we have, you can't say that any law is not morally based.
54:17 All of them are every single one of them are morally based. So it's just some people's morals are,
54:22 as I forget who said it, it's like having your feet planted firmly in midair. They can't tell you
54:27 why you should believe this. They're just going to tell you that you're going to you're going to
54:31 believe this. Why? Because I said so and I'm elite. I went to Harvard. I went to Brown. I went to Yale.
54:36 It's that type of an attitude. You know who thought he was on the right side of history?
54:40 Caiaphas. Caiaphas thought he was on the right side of history. And he killed Jesus. He killed
54:44 our king of glory. I was looking for, I don't know why I can't find it. I think it's not First
54:48 Corinthians. Is it Colossians? Colossians two 15? What is it? What's if they had, if they had known
54:54 these things, they would not have killed our king of glory. I think it's, I think it's Colossians two
54:59 15. And I'm referencing a book. Eugenia Constantine that I'm reading right now, which is great.
55:10 Second Corinthians. Second Corinthians. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. First Corinthians two eight English
55:15 standard version. None of the rulers of this age understood this for if they had, they would
55:19 not have crucified the Lord of glory. Sorry, Joby. Sorry, Joby. But they didn't want to understand.
55:27 They didn't, they didn't know and they didn't want to know. And to your point earlier, like they
55:30 didn't want to see it. They wanted to see what they wanted to see and had they had they actually
55:34 like seen that they wouldn't have been part of that. And Nicodemus comes to mind. He was part of that
55:40 class. He decided, he decided to seek Jesus out and question him. Jesus said you've got to be born
55:45 again. And, and that was totally contrary to what he should have done culturally in his position.
55:51 And, but yeah, they, they, they were on the wrong side of history. It turns out,
55:56 if you guys haven't read, they were on the wrong side. Yeah, we haven't gotten to the end here,
56:01 but spoiler alert. Like, I think Jesus comes back, which by the way, have you all seen that TikTok
56:07 video of a guy that is in a Bible study? And he's reading, he's reading the gospels as if he's in a
56:14 book club and they haven't gotten to the end yet. And so he's literate. Have y'all not seen this?
56:18 Yeah, dude, I got to find it. But I'm probably going to butcher it. But it's this guy that just
56:22 goes, man, you know, this, these characters, this Jesus, there's, there's something special about
56:27 this guy. I can tell, I can tell they're kind of setting this up. But man, isn't Judas like the
56:31 coolest guy? Like, I feel like Judas is going to be that he's that he's right or die, isn't he?
56:35 And like everyone else in the Bible studies looking, I'm like, wait a minute, have you not
56:40 read the end? And he goes, no, wait a minute. Because then they just say like, you know, Jesus
56:43 dies, right? And he's like, what? What? He dies? No. But then someone else is like, but you know,
56:50 he comes back and he's like, he resurrected? Are you kidding me? And like, but just imagine you're
56:57 like you're ruining. Imagine ruining the ending of Breaking Bad for somebody that's, you know,
57:01 in the middle of season two, or something like that, like 20 years later, I'll have to find that
57:06 for you guys. Anything else on, else on Matthew two before you wrap up, check, check, check.
57:12 All right, guys, we'll have to leave it there. But come back next Sunday where we will dig into
57:15 Matthew three. Make sure you guys read through that. I just got to tell you, I'm so pumped that
57:19 we're in Matthew. There's there's so much good stuff here. It leaves us so much good discussion
57:23 and just being able to, we know the gospel story. We just made a joke about it. But how much have
57:28 we learned just in two hours of going over the first two chapters and we got a lot more to go.
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