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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table. The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back
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darkness with content that forges spiritual mental and physical resilience. At the Forging Table,
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you'll see a group of regular guys foraging spiritual resilience by digging into God's Word.
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We're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us out of order. That's Ryan.
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That's Jake. That's Derek. Guys, we got to talk about this from the very beginning though,
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because this kind of came up during the break. We were talking about 80s action movies.
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Okay. And we were talking about how some of them are kind of preposterous and you have to
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suspend belief to go back and watch them. But I will say, I was born in '86, so I kind of missed
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a lot of those and then I didn't go back. But I think at this point, we need to say if you could
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have one 80s action movie, and the rest of them had to be deleted. And I will be here just in case
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we need IMDB a date or something like that, because they may have gotten over into the early 90s.
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So I already know mine. And so if one of y'all doesn't already have yours, I'll give mine.
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But like, y'all might choose mine, but 80s action movie, I think that's a pretty broad
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category. But you get one and the rest is gone for all of humanity. How about that? Not just you.
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For the rest of time, for the rest of humanity, you get one. What are we going with?
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Die Hard. What year is that one in 1988? Really? It's that old? Yeah. That's a great one to start with.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But for you, you don't have to finish it, but I like for you.
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What is, what is, why does Die Hard, why is that the one? It's the greatest Christmas movie of
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all time. Also true. Yeah. Yeah. Like I watch it every year when I rap presents for my kids and my
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wife. It is very rewatchable. I love, I love Bruce Willis, you know, Mrs. Acting. I did, it wasn't
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the first movie I ever saw with Bruce Willis, but Die Hard has always been one of my favorites.
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Okay. Very good. So. I think this would be considered an action movie. I think it was in the 80s.
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I got to go with Top Gun. I was going to say, okay, I didn't want to say it.
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But that's actually bad. Yeah. You literally could not say anything else.
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We're here with actual goose. That came out. That came out the year I was born 1986.
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Sorry. We all know. Jake's is pretty woman. So a lot of action.
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Action. So moving right along. Jake, these are, those are two bangers from the beginning. Die Hard
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and Top Gun. I mean, my goodness. And maybe the greatest sequel. Hey, real quick. But before,
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before Top Gun Maverick, I have to admit something because I just said this. I would lay in bed with
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my dad and we would like watch TV. And so I got to watch bits and pieces of TV versions of movies.
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I had never seen Top Gun all the way through when Top Gun Maverick had come out. I'd seen
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parts of it. And so I kind of, Oh, goose dies. And that's, you know, and that's the big dramatic,
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you know, loud, you know, intro or that thing. So I literally watched it before I watched Top Gun
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Maverick. So sorry about that. Sorry about you. Go ahead. It's all right.
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Boy, I think this may be 1990. Predator is mine. Okay. It's going to be close. It's close.
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I know it's really close. So would this have been the one with the Schwarzenegger?
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That's with Schwarzenegger. It's 87. Okay. You are you are way off. Yeah. That was like Sam
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said. No, predators mine. Number one, I think it's, I mean, it's an amazing action movie,
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but it is also the only 80s action movie where the villain is actually the one that's taking out
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all of the really strong armed services, you know, are all the, all the big heroes. So it kind of
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flipped the whole story on its head that you typically got in the 80s action films.
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Okay. Those are those are three big ones. I'm literally changing my mind from hearing what
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y'all have said. I have like reconsidered one. So what I was going to say was Bloodsport.
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I absolutely love that movie. I think that movie is incredible. Like, I don't even know what to see
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movie before it was thing. And I was informed during the break that they were chanting kumatai.
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That's right. When they're like, you go and do it.
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So I mean, I thought they were saying I thought they were just like making noises.
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They're wheezing. They were talking about kumatai, but I'm going to change it.
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Now I will say y'all get to determine whether or not this is an action movie,
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but I'm pretty sure it has fallen to the action category. I'm taking the karate kid.
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Is that an action movie? It's not your typical 80s. It's centered around the greatest of all
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martial arts that definitely works in all circumstances. Karate. I mean, your favorite.
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It's your favorite. So I mean, I guess we can take a poll. Let's take a poll.
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So karate kid action movie. Yes or no? Kind of like Die Hard Christmas movie. Yes or no?
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So all at the same time, all at the same time. So it's up. If it's an action movie down, if it's not
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three, two, one, go. I'll give it to you. Three to one. This is going to come from the guy who likes
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Lord of the Rings. We can't. We can't really trust your judgment at all. Of course, I haven't seen it.
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Are you still here? You can leave anytime you want. I think you. I think I think Karate kids a teen
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drama. A teen drama movie. I haven't seen it since I was a teen. He literally just put Karate kid in
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with the the vampire movies. Where are they? You know what? We'll let can we all agree that
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Internet movie database would be the arbiter of what categories things are allowed to be in.
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Are we also going to trust their ratings from their amazing critics on there?
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Well, I'll go with the critics. Let's go look at moonlight now. This for 1984.
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Action slash drama. It is literally an 80s action movie because it was an action drama.
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So is it? You know, let's see what predator is. It's going to be like. All right, predator action
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in horror. All right. Let's see right there. Let's see what it is. 1987 predator.
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This is not the same line I was reading. Alien invasion, jungle adventure, monster horror,
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one person army action. So those are some really specific categories. It apparently doesn't have
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like big wide categories on there. But okay. Yeah. And a 47 meta score rating. That's pretty
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terrible. But okay. Yeah. So the Karate kid is an action movie. Ryan is furiously looking
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something up over there though. What do you guys? I was looking up Lord of the Rings.
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Why? Well, I thought we were past this. Like I want to be past it forever because
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I don't want it to exist anymore. It's an action epic adventure epic. It's an epic.
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Oh, is that what they categorize it as? Yeah. Yeah. An action epic. Now I kind of feel like
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we need to say what trilogy? If we have if we had to fantasy, if we had to take a trilogy,
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but there's there's not any like. I mean, how many trilogies are there? I mean,
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and what are you going to? I mean, we all know which one I'm going to pick. Give me Chris
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for no one's the dark nights. That's way better than Lord of the Rings. False. But billion. Only by
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like a billion. So good. Derek, you know, whenever I know I actually heard you because you didn't
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use your big boy boy. So good. Bam. There it is. Derek's a Batman fan. Yeah. It's not that it's
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not a bet. I'm saying it's it's a great trilogy. It's just not on the par of Lord of the Rings.
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You're you're you're not taking you're taking Lord of the Rings over the dark night. Yeah.
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You had to marry me with something. Bury me with the dark night is masterpiece. If I die young,
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berry me and satin, you know, that's a day down on anything with a Jackson. That's all it is.
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Okay. Derek. Derek knew what I was laying down there. The band Perry guys. That's the
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first band Perry represent. You don't have to sing it. Very mean. You definitely don't have to
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sing it. You definitely don't have to keep singing it. Bit of rose. See me in the river at dawn,
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send me away with words of a song. I'm still waiting for you guys to come in. I don't know
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the song. Okay. I can't listen to it right now. But I don't remember this words at all. But I
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remember my brother-in-law. He would always say when it says pennies, he would always say pennies.
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Panies were a dollar because the line is pennies were a dollar, but it's pennies for your brother.
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You know, that's how I'm going to sing him from now on. You don't know the band Perry. That's a
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great song. I know I know the band Perry. I've heard that line, but I don't really know. It's the
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only song I've ever known for. Yeah. They're kind of the if I die a young line and that's pretty
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much so. But I'm not the singer in the family. So the the lead singer gal and then the two guys,
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their brother and sister, they're all kind of like I met him when they were in New York City and they
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came through and I was doing that weird MLB job. So she did a second one. It's like a if I die a
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young part two. My daughter made me listen to it. Nice. I didn't know you could die a young
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boy. Yeah. Now she's like talking about being a mother. Really? Okay. All right. It was interesting.
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This has been so all over the place from the beginning. Let me go. I was excited to discuss
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trilogy. I mean, I'm over here going like way more than just the whole lot. Okay. You know what?
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I'll see what the diehard trilogy. All right. Let me actually look. So it's like a hard one.
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Three. How many is it now? Throw out those other ones right now,
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but straight to video. Yeah. Lethal weapon. Oh, those are great trilogy. Yeah. All right.
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So I'm literally just typing into Chad GBT top movie trilogies of all time. We'll see what they
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say. They're going to definitely say Godfather. Yeah. Don't forget the third one. So don't look,
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don't look Derek. So what what trilogies are we into? I'm trying to think of a trilogy other
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than the dark night when we're on like, yeah, I would watch all three of those again.
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Lower the rings. Definitely not. What Terminator would be tough yet. T one T two. We're great.
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And then Chad GPT, which doesn't know anything. They have lower the rings at number one in the
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dark night at number two. I guess people are saying the original Star Wars. So that what would
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that be? That's six, seven and eight. What would that be? Four, five, and six? Four, five, and six.
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Yeah. Okay. And then has Godfather and then has back to the future trilogy. Oh, that's a classic.
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Okay. Then they have the Toy Story trilogy, even though they have a fourth movie out.
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So I guess we'll leave the web. I'll go with that. The born trilogy. The born identity
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supreme. What? Both of y'all scrunches of your faces at the born identity. The born supremacy
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and the born ultimatum. You're I like the original. I like the first one. I like the first one was
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good. That's probably why we scrunched up our noses. That's like having Timothy
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Chalametas. Like, how dare you? How dare Jason Bourne's not French. What's wrong with you?
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No. I have to say that second. That's why my name is an action star is like Timothy
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Chalametas and action stuff. Oh, God. I don't know how we can deal with that. All I got to do is like
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Affleck in the town. He's ripped. Like he looks like an action star. You said Affleck. I thought
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you're about to make an insurance joke. I'm not the only one. I was like, you would have been
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a guy as Jason Bourne. Maybe. Maybe I'd be like, yeah, that's cool. Oh, no. That's a thing. I don't
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know. What's your thing with Ben Affleck? Dude, Ben Affleck is a great director and he's gotten
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better as an actor. Ben is a great writer too. The town's one of my favorite movies ever.
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I think he's a director and actor. Did he write it? I'm pretty sure he wrote it. I'll look it up.
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Look it up because we're already off the rails here. Okay. But all right. Getting back into this
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in the number eight, according to Chad GPT trilogy, the Indiana Jones trilogy. So they're
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talking about Raiders of the Lost Ark Temple of Doom. Yes, he wrote it with Peter Craig.
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Okay. Boom. They say the Spider-Man trilogy. Which one? The Toby and wire. I guess it would.
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That's two thousand two thousand. I don't know. Yeah. One and two were good.
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One that nobody's mentioned and I don't think anybody should plan out of the apes.
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They're taking the new ones that came out. They're talking about the reboot.
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The reboots are good. That's the ones they're talking about. They're not talking about the
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originals. I don't know how many other originals are. No, those are pretty good. They got to do
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that place. The little precious things that you watch. Yeah, Andy Serkis. How about this? He plays
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the Monkeys. How about this? We can't choose. We can't choose Dark Knight. You can't choose
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Lord of the Rings. All right. What's the one trilogy that we'll take as like, all right. This
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the only trilogy that we'll be able to watch over and over. It can be on that list or it can be
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another trilogy. I'll take the warrens all day long. Give them to me. Give them to me.
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Lethal Weapon, dude. I love Joe Pesci. Four or five of those? Yeah, but there's still a trilogy.
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It's a trilogy if there's well, yeah, this thing is because you really go. I think there's four.
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There's four lethal weapons. There's going to be a fifth. But yeah, you can't have that.
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Okay. Just go ahead and say it. Lethal Weapon. No, no. I have to find another one. The one with
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the werewolf and the vampire or something like that. What was that? Where are the rings?
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No, no. That's also good. We don't need to keep talking about that. But, you know,
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what you're talking about. You know, what I don't want to say it. We were all thinking it
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and you just had to say it. You just could not say it. She's a pretty lady. We understand that.
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We're going to go and get off of that one. Okay. So, but you know, you're making fun of me because
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I had to watch them all with my wife. Had to watch what you have to say it. What are they called?
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I can't remember what they're called. You had to watch Twilight. What does this have to think?
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But can we talk about the had to do the thing? So Rachel and I, my wife and I, we're dating
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at the time and she had two friends that weren't big fans of me. Can't imagine what they didn't see,
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which didn't see the potential. The potential [inaudible] that I was. We all had her moments.
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The guy that talked to third person. So they end up getting a fight and she was supposed to go see
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the last Twilight with one of them. And so she's like, now I got these two tickets to this last
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Twilight and I have nobody to go with. And so she's like, you know, we're dating at the
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same time. So I'm like, you know, I want to get, you know, I like this girl, you know, like I already
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knew, you know, like she's the one. So I'm like, I'll watch it with you. I'll go see it. She's like,
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well, you can't go and see it without seeing the other ones. And so we spent that whole weekend.
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And I watched every single Twilight movie that weekend, like,
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change your life, man. Spoiler alert. Yeah. He enjoyed them all.
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Spoiler alert. I'd watch Twilight over Lord of the Rings.
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Catch and strays out. Yeah.
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What was the werewolf guy's name and the other? Okay.
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Because that was like a debate thing. Like, are you team were a guy or team vampire guy?
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Here's the worst part about it. So I watched my movies with her. And then the day that
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we're supposed to go and see it, she reconciles with her friend and they go and see the last one
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together. So did you ever see the last one? Yeah. Okay. All right.
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It's got to resolve the story. I got to finish up. The last one's even more messed up because
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like, you know how you have the team werewolf and the team vampire people? Well, like the werewolf
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like imprints on this, like the vampire's daughter, it's like this weird thing. I was like, okay.
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So it's kind of like a filly ish. I'm getting mocked for Lord of the Rings.
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And you're talking about werewolves. I mean, we were wolves and printing and two gabets, goblins,
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elves, or one of those dorks. Like every one of those have Christian allegory.
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You got these two guys with three feet trying to make it up a mountain together.
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So just so we can we can wrap up the Twilight thing. So we have team Edward,
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that would be team vampire or team Jacob, which would be team werewolf. So which one were you?
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If you had to pick a team. No, you did. Yeah. Pick a side man. Pick a side. I was picking
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on the side. There's no one neutral on that chick. The main chick. No one knows what we're
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talking about in this audience. So just tell us what it looks like a dude. Tell which that narrows
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it. Tell us which one which one team Edward team Jacob. I really didn't vampire werewolf, man.
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I would go with the vampire. All right. All right. That's good. Gonna put you. Gonna put you in the
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corner. That's fine. But yeah, we didn't get everybody's trilogy. Right. So if you could you
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had to delete all the other trilogies, but you can't take your top pick. Right. So top pick has been
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taken in the trilogy draft. So I'm taking the boards. All right. So what else? What's everyone
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else taking? You can't take your favor. We can't. We can't do dark. I said leave the weapon.
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He said dark. We can't do that. Yeah. I'll let you go first. I don't have to go with born as well.
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Okay. All right. We'll allow it. I'm going deep cut. It's movies. I used to watch with that. So
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it's the dollars trilogy. So the fiscal dollars, a few dollars more. The good, the bad and the ugly.
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Okay. No one can make fun of it because you mentioned your dad. That's right. That's right.
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All right. That's one way to insult yourself. Are you really going to make fun of a classic
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Western trilogy? I'm not. I'm going to make fun of it. But part of the problem is when you go back
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and watch those movies, the the action is so ridiculous. Like where someone gets shot and then
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they take 17 steps backwards and then fall through the window. Sure. It's a little bit ridiculous.
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No. Okay. Here's the thing. A lot of the stuff from the old days was like they did not have a lot
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of the special effects, but the acting was far superior to what we get now because everything
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relies on special effects now and the right is better. I mean, as good as as good as the Dark Knight
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Trilogy trilogy is, could we all do without the Christian Bale voices Batman? Oh, no. He had the
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worst worst of all the Batman voices. But I will say this, on those old, those old movies and all
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that, they didn't have a lot of military consultants because there weren't a whole lot of it. So now
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you've got so many guys that fought in the GWOT that are consultants on like, even how people are
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holding their firearms and like different, I remember that with the the terminalist series,
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like there were a lot of people looking at how Chris Pratt was like handling his info.
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There's good trilogy. What? Guardians of the Galaxy.
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That was great. I like them. Yeah. I think it was really funny. Derek's fan.
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Hey, well, but who would you rather watch? Guardians of the Galaxy?
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Yes. Guardians of the Galaxy. I would rather watch Twilight twice than to watch the Lord
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of the Rings again. Like that's basic. You're not going to live this down. This is like the
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cologne thing for him. The Lord of the Rings thing for you. I'm glad Grat smires are here to come to
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your aid because he loves them just like you do. Nah, not just like you do. No, he loves them.
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Everyone's all right. Real quick. Everyone's favorite Old Western. So can't be a new Western,
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can't be like the proposition or the new three Tindy Yuma or what are some other good ones?
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I got I got a whole list of what you can sit down to someone be newer. So there's got to be like
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back in the spaghetti Western age. So what would be your favorite of all the Old Western? So you
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can even go back John Wayne. The guys before that would be an entry. Would he be in some of those?
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Chisholm. Okay, you're taking Chisholm. Chisholm. John Wayne. Chisholm John Wayne.
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True Grit John Wayne. True Grit John Wayne. I couldn't name it. Couldn't name one. Really?
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Just make one up. Just say Shane. Just say Shane. Just say Lord of the Rings.
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They went west at some point. They did. I've watched a bunch. I don't know the names of them.
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Can't pull one out. Yeah. I'm gonna take the outlaw Josie Wells. Good one. I like that one.
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I thought that one saw. It's got a Gatlin gun. You've ever seen the wild bunch? No. You need to.
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If you enjoy Gatlin guns and big standoffs at the very end. Oh, it's awesome. I'm gonna go and
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tell you like we literally I had no intentions of us going that long with that. But hopefully
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y'all thought it was fun. I will say my dad who watches all these shout outs. My dad love you.
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He loves our banter at the beginning. The last time I was at his house, he goes. I just love
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listening to y'all get after each other like and just say like all the random stuff at the
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beginning. So he's gonna be a huge fan of this one. And he's the one that I watch out all Josie
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Wells with. So you're gonna make fun of me, Jake. I just mentioned my dad. I was gonna say. No,
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I'm actually gonna say if you actually end up watching the wild bunch, which I think is actually
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would be like one B in terms of my old Western picks. If you actually end up watching it, I will.
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I mean, it's I'll be interested if it redeems me in terms of my movie recommendations. 1969.
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The wild bunch. The wild bunch. You know what? Last one. Favorite modern Western Tim so. Yeah,
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I think you got a good time. I literally have a well, Ryan, you didn't you didn't seem super sold
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on tombstone. I had to go with hostels. Fantastic. It's so rough. I'm a Christian bill guy. Is that
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funny? Any Christian mails in? I like I could do that three tenda Yuma. I mean, I love tombstone.
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Don't get me wrong. It's a great movie, but hostels and bills. See, I think when it's a mark of a
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good movie, there's there's I mean, how often do you quote hostels in your normal lexicon?
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Whereas you spoke tombstone. I mean, Val Kilmer in tombstone. I mean,
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I'll be your huckleberry. You know, which I've heard is not that whole. It's a bear.
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Huckleberry. Do we talk? Yeah. I'm your huckleberry. It's I'm your huckleberry. That would be someone
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after I heard that. But he changed it because he he had a very specific reason Val Kilmer did for
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changing a time. You'll huckle your huckleberry. And it just became a thing. But I literally have
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a list on my phone because I just can't sit there and scroll if I'm in a hotel room to find a movie
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watch list. I think I have it too. All right. So I have a list of my favorite modern westerns.
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Okay. So hell or high water. Yeah. Classic. Unbelievable. No country for old men. Mm hmm.
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The Revenant. Yeah. You didn't like it? Okay. The proposition that's that's a that's a western
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that's Guy Pierce set in Australia. It's great. Very rough. Hostiles. It's on there. The three
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tendiuma with Russell Crowe and Christian Bale tombstone. Obviously wind river. I put that into
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the category. So that's a Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. One that he wrote. It's spectacular with Jeremy
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Renner. Star and high water is a Taylor Sheridan. I believe it is. Yeah. Yep. True grit with Jeff
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Bridges. So that's the newer true grit. Jango Unchained. That's kind of a it's a technically
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western. It's funny. Do you say Denzel? Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx. Yeah. Oh man. I kind of want to
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see that movie of as Denzel. But Denzel. I don't care. I don't know. Jamie Foxx has a lot of flair
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to that, man. He he did a job. The assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford and
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so Jesse James is played by Brad Pitt dances with wolves. Oh yeah. The ballad of buster scrubs,
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which is kind of like a compilation of short stories. Old Henry. That's great. Yeah. Okay.
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No one is seen old. Have you seen old him? I was waiting for somebody. No spoilers. No spoilers.
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No guys. You got to watch old Henry. I don't care who's listening to this in the future or whatever
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old Henry and then last one. Legends of the fall. I'm putting that in the western category as well.
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That's giving me legends. My wife makes fun of me for liking that movie. No, I don't. It's a good
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one. Yeah. It's classic. But any other, you know, the modern westerns that I missed. Modern? No.
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Well, I mean, the new Magnificent Seven, but, you know, it's not, it tells it. Watch the old one.
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The hateful eight was atrociously bad. I thought that was so unbelievably bad. It's all in theaters.
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But yeah, the the old Magnificent Seven. I mean, if you want to watch the Magnificent Seven,
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watch that one. Okay. I think we need to kind of wrap up this. Yeah. We've had a lot of fun.
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Let's go to the bubble. Because I've got to tell you, Genesis 45, you know, I'm this was not like
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a plan thing. Magnificent Seven. Move on to the formation of the seven. I will say this is seven
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tribes. This is one of the 12. Speaking of magnificent seven, double that. Take away to go.
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Let's talk about the 12 tribes. I second this. See, I'm my grass miner. I can't do it. He's good.
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But I will tell you of all the things, because when people talk about how, you know, Hollywood's
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not making any good movies anymore and all that. It's like, just go to your Old Testament. And like,
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there's so many stories in there. The first three verses of Genesis 45, that's where we really get
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this, this unbelievable drama that like, I just haven't seen it put into kind of movie form. What's
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up? There's a movie. Are you going back to the western? No, no, I'm not going back to western.
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TNT did a Joseph movie with Ben Keaysley playing potterfer and Paul Mercurio, I think is his name.
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He's on Australian actor playing Joseph. And there's this scene, like, I think it's like,
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like this scene, like, is amazing in this movie. Like, I choke up every time I watch it.
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It was back in like 1999. It was like, I remember I headed on VHS. It was like two tapes. It's so long.
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Oh, man. I think Jason Robards. No, the guy that plays Jacob, let me pull it up real quick.
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But I thought we were getting it. Where's Matt to get his transition back to the movie thing? You just
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couldn't let me do my intro into three verses. Sorry, but I'm just squirreled. You guys, we're
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talking about movies and then I'm thinking back at this and like, there's this part where like,
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Simeon, like, you know, we're in this movie. Yeah, in this movie. Oh, let's just go ahead and go
24:58
through it. And then when that part comes up, whenever you want to, Ryan, we can just transition,
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like you're the one driving the ship. It's okay. But hey, you know what? You can go ahead and read
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these first three verses because I'm gonna mess up your research time. Okay, read the first three
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verses of Genesis 45. And guys, this is high drama. Let's go. All right. The Joseph could not control
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himself before all those who stood by him. He cried. Make everyone go out for me. So no one
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stayed with him when Joseph made himself known to his brothers and he wept aloud so that the
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Egyptians heard it and the household affair all heard it. And Joseph said to his brothers,
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I am Joseph. I am, is my father still alive? But his brothers could not answer him before they were
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dismayed at his presence. Like I can't even begin because again, we talked about it. I don't have
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any brothers. You got a brother. You got a brother? Older brother. Yeah. Older brother. Yeah. Two sisters
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and I have one sister. Like the number of things here, right? How long he's been holding on to this
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secret. His brothers don't recognize them. They thought they had killed their younger brother.
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Like his dad had been lamenting for all these years that his his favorite kid was dead. Like
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him, he doesn't know his dad's like still alive. Like is my father still alive? Like
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there's so many things happening right here. I mean, the crescendo, the music, the everything,
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the drama. I mean, we have been working for on the fortune table for weeks to get here. And I mean,
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this is we're 45 chapters into Genesis. And this is one of the most dramatic moments we've seen.
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You can only imagine their shock. But then also think about, think about everything that they're
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thinking back about as, as you know, we talked about in the last episode and I pronounce it wrong
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deviation and where Joseph was trying to gain knowledge about how his brothers changed. And he
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would set them up to think about certain things in their past. I think at one point, when they
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sit down to feast with Benjamin there, he sets them up and puts them in order, puts them in order
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and birth or whatever and everything like that. And they're shocked by that. So all these things
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are coming, you know, probably coming to them like, this is, he knew who we were, you know? And so
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I can only imagine the shock in that room. And then also the lament of like what they've done to
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their brother, but also the happiness to see that he's alive and well and that he's, you know,
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where he's at and the stature that he's at in Egypt. Is that burden lifted from what they did?
27:19
Or are they now that? Oh, man, I think scared to death. I think so too. Yeah. They're still
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scared even after the head dies. If you think about it, okay, so Judah just gave this longest
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speech in Genesis, you know, when he's discussing, you know, why they have to, you know, why they,
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why he needs to be in place of Benjamin. And in this moment, he reveals himself as Joseph,
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okay, putting yourself in the place of Judah and his brothers, Judah just offered for Benjamin,
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substitutionary atonement, and yet sold Benjamin's older brother into slavery.
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So if you're carrying around this guilty conscience, I would personally be like, oh crap, like,
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okay, so his brother was okay to save. I'm willing to save him, but I wasn't willing to,
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I'm screwed. Yeah, I am screwed. Yeah. Yeah. One again, you know, he's, he's weeping in a way
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where the entire household of Pharaoh heard it, right? So there's commotion in the kingdom,
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in the household. And so there had to have been people, other servants of Pharaoh,
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perhaps even Pharaoh himself, they're like, what in the world is going on? Because he's wailing
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and weeping so, so big. Again, this goes back to a point you made last week, Ryan, about the
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emotional control that Joseph has to wait until this moment to reveal what he could have revealed
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from the beginning. Like I recognize you guys, like in the, like just, you know, not testing them,
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not seeing any of these types of things. Well, the thing we had realized too, is like during
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that Egyptian time, like the Pharaoh and all the people within Egypt, stoicism was really big.
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So everybody wanted to have like kind of a stoic. Nobody had a lot of emotion. Everybody was real
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stoic. And so showing this part of emotion also shows that Joseph, you know, has feelings, has a
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heart, you know, he hasn't, he hasn't, he hasn't succumbed to the Egyptian lifestyle of stoicism.
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So I think it's, it's just showing his, his emotion. And that he still loves his brothers.
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And we talked back about Judah and Judah could be in this old crap moment, but Judah just like
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literally probably had one of the best speeches that you could possibly have and like prostated
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himself before Joseph. So Joseph, I think at this, did I say it wrong?
29:39
Prostrated. Sorry. I wasn't going to say anything and then I look at you and then you look at him
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and you both crack. Where's the one where you like basically go down and it's prostrating.
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It's prostrating. I didn't say prostate.
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And he said deviation. Divination. Divination. Divination. I can't. It's okay. We all have remote.
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That's a good one. That's a good one. Prostrating. Prostrating. Prostrating. There it is.
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Prostrating. I can't form words. Prostrating. Yeah. I'm an idiot.
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So no, you're not. It's just of all the ones. And I was just going to let you know.
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It was like that one. That one time with fecal or fickel. We were on that one for a while.
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That's a little crap. Genesis with my kids and we came across that again.
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And I was like, I was like, I was like, Hey, baby, do you say fecal or fickel on this one?
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She's like, I don't know. That's a good one. She's like, what did Kyle say? I was like,
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you know what? He said it was just, it was just a messy situation. Yeah, but you were in the middle
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of the point. Yes. But like if you go back, you know, he's like basically making himself a,
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Judas making himself a slave to Joseph. And so if they, I think what they see, they see the emotion
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out of Joseph and the crying and everything. They're not seeing anger. They're seeing,
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they're seeing something different. And so there could be fear, but I, and there always is going
31:12
to be fear because they're worried about once her father dies, you know, just like with Jacob,
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Esau, you know, once Isaac was dead, was Esau going to go come after Jacob. But you know,
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the point that I was trying to make still thinking about it. They're working on it. So are we.
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That's the thing. No, but yeah, but, but that's the thing is just that the emotion that he's
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giving the, the emotion that he has right now is an, is an emotion of like, I think love,
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honestly. So talk about forgiveness. Yes, Joseph. But yeah, I would certainly agree with that. But
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you just got to think for the brothers, like kind of back to what Jacob was saying, the level of
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confusion and shock. And because with that many brothers, there's probably someone that's
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automatically like, Oh my gosh, it's our brother. This is great. Some people are like, Oh my gosh,
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their initial thing is like, this is terrible. We're about to lose our heads. Or it's like,
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Oh my gosh, is that, is this even possible? Like just complete disbelief? Like that had to all be
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present. Yeah, I think also, I mean, think about Joseph himself. It's not like I'm sure he hasn't
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seen his brothers in such a long time. I'm sure as he's sitting in the dungeon, I'm sure he's not
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thinking of his brothers fondly in that moment. Yeah, the bitterness and anger over being sold
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into slavery over not seeing his father who clearly loved him so much of not being there
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as his mother passed, you know, really not having any sort of relationship with his little brother
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Benjamin. Was he he was not there when his mother passed? I don't think so. I think he was Joseph.
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Joseph was there when his mother passed. Maybe I don't think I don't know. I don't know. I could
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be wrong. Yeah, you check it out. But go ahead. I'll judge it. But I mean, I've talked about this
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before, but I mean, if you've ever truly looked at someone and forgiven them, this is kind of the
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emotion that comes out because if you're just holding on to that anger and that, you know, or hate or
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whatever it is, when you actually go and truly forgive someone, you melt. I mean, you just it's
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it's a release that I just I cannot describe it. But it's I've heard that what is it?
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What's the old saying that it's oh, man, I'm I'm clinging on. It's not that old of a saying, but I
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guess it's drinking. What is it? When you drink poison expected to kill the other person, that's
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right. Yeah. Or not not bitterness. We're both on the exact same point. That's the phrase. It's I
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don't know. It's what we're talking about. Shoot. So this is like where you're drinking poison,
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expecting it to kill the other person. It's like it's unforgiveness or or hatred or bitterness or
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yeah. She I don't know either one of those is right either. But go ahead and make your point,
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make your point. That is my point. I mean, you know, in that moment, Jacob, essentially,
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Jacob is forgiving someone. It's almost like this poison is leaving his body. Jacob or Joseph?
34:24
Sorry, Joseph. There's too many J names here also. But that that whole I mean, it's almost that
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release that comes through him. I mean, it just it just bleeds through the page in the first few
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verses. Well, I think so Rachel, Joseph was there when Rachel died. I just looked it up.
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So the death of Rachel and Isaac happened around the same time and then Joseph dreams happened. But
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to go along with what you're saying though, Joseph Joseph Joseph lost his mother, went through that
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grief. And the only thing he has is his brother and his dad really when it comes to it. And now he's
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seeing his brother for the first time. So like just having Benjamin there, I think is an emotional
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thing for him anyways. Holding your grudge. Holding your grudge. Okay. Yeah, this is look
35:12
unresolved anger or resentment. Those those are things that are that are all here. There's so
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much here. I actually want to read. I'm going to read part of the next section here because I'm
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going to cut it off in the middle of verse eight because again, the level of drama and things that
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can be discussed here is pretty incredible. So Genesis 45 starting in verse four. So Joseph
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said to his brothers, come near to me, please. And they came near and he said, I am your brother
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Joseph whom you sold into Egypt. And now do not be distressed or angry with yourselves because you
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sold me here for God sent me before you to preserve life for the famine has been in the land these
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two years. And there are yet five years in which there will be neither plowing nor harvest. And God
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sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to keep alive for you many survivors.
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So it was not you who sent me here, but God. I mean, so Joseph is 39 years old now. Okay.
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He was sold by his brothers 22 years prior to this point. So for 22 years,
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you know, a lot of that was pretty rough, right? Yeah. And
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the level of perspective here, yeah, because again, I've been, I've admitted here on the show,
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like sometimes I could be a mental midget. I could be like angry about nothing like,
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but though I will ruin someone's day because my Wi-Fi is not working as strongly as I would
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like for it to, right? And I just sometimes I'll lose perspective because of the thing that's
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right in front of my face that isn't going exactly how I want it to go. But right here, he's
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he's almost assuaging some of the shock that we assume is with his brothers, some of the fear,
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saying no, come close to me. Like, and he hasn't said the ultimate thing yet about kind of what
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what the evil was meant for. But it's like, look, you didn't send me here. God did. And it's just like,
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man, to have the perspective of Joseph. Well, he's also throwing out forgiveness at this point too.
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He's like, he says, Oh, man. And now do not be distressed or angry with yourselves because you
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sold me here. So he's like, do not be distressed. Do not even be angry with yourself for what you've
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done. And so he's he's offering forgiveness. And this is that part in the movie that I was telling
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you guys about is there's a there's a part where he's forgiving them. And you know, scholars will
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some some commentaries will say that Simeon was the ringleader of it. And there's a point where
37:35
the character of Simeon kind of breaks down and says, I'm the least to be forgiven. You know,
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like, why would you forgive me? And he like, break down. And this is the guy who like,
37:44
went into Shechem, stabbed everybody, didn't care about anything was very, very evil in his mindset.
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And now he's seeing the forgiveness of his brother is a very telling sign. And then you can only
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imagine what these guys are feeling when they're getting that forgiveness. And then think of Benjamin
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just being in awe of his big brother, where he's at, and seeing what he's done. You know, it's just,
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it's just kind of a surreal thing. Yeah, I would say just that section. Go ahead, Jake.
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Oh, I was going to say, um, okay. So hang with me here. Has anybody played chess against like a
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computer? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very good. You've never won. Not good. I never once do. But I have no
38:22
idea how to make them. Have you ever won? I don't know. Have you ever beat the computer? Not even
38:26
on dumb mode? Yeah. Yeah. So to me, in a very real sense, us as humans are essentially really
38:33
bad chess players playing against an ultimate super computer that, but I mean, but it's even
38:39
greater than that. But if you kind of look at it as if you've ever played it, the computer is
38:43
literally looking at, okay, I make this one move, or I may let's say I make a move as the bad chess
38:49
player. And then the computer actually is going to respond with, I'll make this move, and then I'll
38:53
make this move, and then I'll make this move. And I already know he can predict three or four
38:58
moves ahead and he's reacting with those moves. Right. So essentially in a, in a way, I, and there's
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times where literally it's like, okay, I am backed into a corner. I cannot, I have to make, I can
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only make one move. I'm backed in that corner. Or I made it like I surrender, I either have to
39:18
surrender or I just walk away from the game. Right. And so in a very real sense, I think, yeah, in,
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in all, like, we are making different choices at different times, and God can kind of outflank
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any evil that he that might be there. You know, as I read one of the commentaries, like, is there
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some language that falls between cause and allow that a lap that fully retains God's sovereignty,
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yet does not impugn him with the capricious acts of injustice? And I think there almost has to be.
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Because you wouldn't say that God said, sell Joseph into slavery, because that would be
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an author, he would be authoring evil at that point. But at the same time, if you said, well,
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no, he allowed it, well, does that basically put him in the situation where how much power does God
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have? Well, so there's something in between that that I think we can't describe because we're not
40:12
God, but that's just, but again, I look at it more like I'm a really bad chess player playing
40:20
against the ultimate chess player. And he already knows every, but it's not that he's predicting my
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moves. He already knows what every move I'm going to make. He knew about the deceitful heart of the
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brothers. And then how else are you going to put if you, if God knows his famine is going to go down,
40:35
and he's going to allow this famine to happen, or however this is going to go down, how am I going
40:40
to get somebody from this tribe all the way to Egypt and into this, into the power that they need
40:47
to have in Egypt, not only to save the tribe, but to save more people, you know. And so it's like,
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I hate to give away, I hate to give away the next part, like the thing. So I would hang tight on it,
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but yeah, Derek, if you will start halfway through verse eight and read through verse 15, all right.
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He has made me a father to Pharaoh and Lord of all his house and ruler over the land of Egypt.
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Hurry up and go to my father and say to him, Thus says your son Joseph,
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God has made me Lord of all Egypt. Come down to me, do not Terry, you shall dwell in the land
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of Goshen and you shall be near me. You and your children and your children's children and your
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flocks, your herds and all that you have. There I will provide for you for there are yet five years
41:39
of famine to come so that you and your household and all that you have do not come to poverty.
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And now your eyes see and your eyes of my brother Benjamin see that it is my mouth that speaks to
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you. You must tell your father of all, you must tell my father of all my honor in Egypt and of all
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that you have seen. Hurry and bring my father down here. Then he fell upon his brother Benjamin's
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neck and wept and Benjamin wept upon his neck and he kissed all his brothers and wept upon them
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after that his brothers talked with him. And so, you know, the this is kind of the former youngest
42:16
to the current youngest. That's that's even more drama. I mean, the the connection between Benjamin
42:22
and Joseph is not familial at this point. It goes even deeper than that because this is the first
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time they've talked about this. Like, so I'm sure he's got questions like, hey, is, you know,
42:33
have they been treating you well? Like, Joseph to Benjamin, it's almost like a it's it's more
42:38
than a big brother thing. Yeah. If you can put it that way. Other thoughts on that? Yeah, Derek.
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Derek, say, say smart stuff. Hurry up. I don't have anything smart to say other than, I mean,
42:51
you can just still see the emotion that is, you know, pouring out like he's crying with his brothers
42:55
after they've had been talking at least for a while. Um, and just, I mean, what an emotional
43:00
reunion, I guess. That's all I got. It was good. I like it. I liked it. So I'm I'm here for it.
43:09
I mean, I'm good for it to keep going. Are you winning? I don't know.
43:13
Derek keeps saying smart stuff. How do we have anything else to say?
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If you're wondering, uh, because why I'm over here, like ever since she said, I'm trying to beat
43:24
a chess bot here on the screen here on chess.com and I'm playing it on beginner mode.
43:29
It's going okay. It's going okay right now. So I want this to maybe be the first time that I've
43:34
actually done it. And I'm doing it while listening and trying to keep this whole thing going. I feel
43:37
like they made I made they made all games a lot easier a long time ago. Yeah, I beat it on easy
43:43
mode. But see, I don't think I have. So, uh, I'm still in the field. It's like, uh, if you're
43:49
playing Madden and you put it on Madden mode, it's like, yeah, not that it's impossible. You can't even
43:53
like, yeah, you can't do anything. All right. Well, let's go to this last section here. Let's go to
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16 through 28. So, uh, Jake, how about you go ahead and read from verse 16 and go through the
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end of the chapter. When the report was heard in Pharaoh's house, Joseph brothers have come.
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It pleased Pharaoh and his servants and Pharaoh said to Joseph, say to your brothers, do this,
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load your beast and go back to the land of Canaan and take your father and your households and come
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to me. And I will give you the best of the land of Egypt and you shall eat the fat of the land.
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And you, Joseph, are commanded to say, do this. Take wagons from the land of Egypt for your little
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ones and for your wives and bring your father and come. Have no concern for your goods for the best
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of all the land of Egypt is yours. The sons of Israel did so. And Joseph gave them wagons according
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to the command of Pharaoh and gave them provisions for the journey. To each and all of them, he gave
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a change of clothes. But to Benjamin, he gave 300 shekels of silver and five change of clothes.
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To his father, he sent as follows 10 donkeys loaded with the good things of Egypt and 10 female
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donkeys loaded with grain, bread and provision for his father on the journey. Then he sent his
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brothers away. And as they departed, he said to them, do not quarrel on the way. So they went up
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out of Egypt and came to the land of Canaan to their father, Jacob. And they told him,
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Joseph is still alive. And he is ruler over all the land of Egypt. And his heart became numb,
45:22
for he did not believe them. But when they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said to
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them, and when he saw the wagons that Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of their father,
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Jacob revived. And Israel said, it is enough. Joseph, my son is still alive. I will go and see him
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before I die. So the interesting thing about this is we see Joseph that was he was sold in the slavery
45:48
for 20 shekels, right? And yet we see in verse 22, to Benjamin, they gave 300 shekels. I mean,
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the level of difference here between what what these two guys experiences rather substantial.
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And the when he's telling them not to quarrel, I thought that was a little weird at the end of
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verse 24. Initially, it's like, okay, why is he telling them not to like argue, not to quarrel?
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But they would have been likely to quarrel just because like the entire trip, it could have been
46:14
like, man, whose whose idea was it to sell Joseph? And you know, how stories go over the years with
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brothers? It's like, okay, it could have been the small thing analysis, big thing. Yeah, but he's
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just kind of telling them like, yeah, like, hey, just don't do that. Like, just go home, like,
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get my dad, like those types of things. But you know, I also upon I read it again this morning,
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verse 26, we're at our verse. Yeah, 26. And his heart became numb for he did not believe them.
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I mean, gosh, when you hear that your son over two decades ago, you've been mourning the loss of your
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son. And then his initial thing isn't just excitement. It's just numbness. Like, how, like, how could
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this even be possible? You know what I mean? He also thought, now, now I know my son's deceived me.
46:55
Right. I think about that. Yeah, because like, now he's now he knows the deception of his,
47:02
of his 10 sons base. Yeah. So they said he was, you know, presented the code all shredded up.
47:08
And the other thing we have to look at too is we, you spoke with the coat. The coat was like a
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symbol of Joseph being the shepherd of his house. And now he's like fulfilling the shepherd role again
47:20
by providing for his brothers and telling them to go back, you know, he's like taking up the mantle
47:25
again, saying go back, don't quarrel. Here you go, bring father to me. So there's, there's a lot of
47:31
things that we can glean from this and the fact that, you know, Joseph's taking on his role and then
47:36
Jacob's finally seeing, you know, you know, he knows what his 10 sons are like, but now he's
47:41
finally seeing the deception that they've caused. So I wonder what's going down with like Judah
47:45
and all those other guys when they're talking to Jacob and Jacob, Jacob's seeing some excitement,
47:49
but I wonder what the conversation is behind seeing there. Well, I think Kyle, when you mentioned
47:54
the coral comment, I've read some commentary that apparently there's different translations
47:59
here, but a lot, some of it could also be essentially, he's like, don't fret. Like, you're going to be
48:05
like, it may not be a coral between you. It's a coral with yourself. It's this doubt. It's this
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doubt that you're having like, all right, you know, this dude has been in Egypt for two decades. He
48:18
told me to go get dad, bring him back here. And this really big. I might want to run off here.
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Like, oh, by the way, he also gave me a whole bunch of stuff. Like, maybe I just need to scram.
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Because there's no way he could be this merciful. There's no way I would be this merciful.
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So I think in a real sense that the coral that they're having, it's like, could there be some
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infighting? Absolutely. But I think there's so much infighting within themselves in this moment,
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just over the doubt that someone could actually forgive them for what they did.
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Or what about their anger and everything that they had, like what they pulled off and
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check them, like quarreling with other people along the way, especially with everything that
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they have right now. Like, they've got all this, all this money, traveling with all this stuff.
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It's like, you start quarreling with people, you know, it's like, mess around and find out,
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you know, so like, don't do it, you know, because I go home, get down, come back. I mean, these guys,
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these guys's hearts have changed, but like, you know, there's still, Christ has changed our hearts,
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but we still have a simple measure in us. And so maybe he's telling them like, hey, just be good.
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Yeah, there's again, I'm just, I'm absolutely struck by the drama of something like this that's
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happening here. And I mean, what do you think they were talking about on the way back? I mean,
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because they're amazed. Yeah. Because again, I'm trying to put myself again, we are not the people
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of the Bible, right? You know, we are not David. But like, at the same time, when you're going into,
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like, I can see these guys going through, like, there's probably the brother that's quiet, right?
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It's not really saying much. Just sitting there really, really thinking there's probably someone
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that's excited at this chance, like thinking, but man, like again, knowing my own pessimism,
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I'm wondering if if I would be sitting there thinking, like, we're literally doing the most
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foolish thing, he's having to go to get dad. And then as soon as we get back, he's gonna kill us.
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Like, like, yeah, we're going to get him. And he said he was, he was, you know, fine with it.
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And like, hey, come near me. Like, don't be scared. It's just like, man, I don't know.
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They're still worried about it. Yeah. And I see that, but like, they don't truly
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know their brother. You know, and if they truly did know their brother, they wouldn't have sold
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them to slavery. You know, and so that's the thing. They're always going to doubt who he is,
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even though I don't feel like they ever really truly let him in.
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I think we frequently ascribe the wickedness of our own hearts to those who could be our enemy.
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And I think that's exactly what would have happened here.
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If you're walking away and thinking, well, if I was in his position, I would have this,
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you know, ability to met out justice to somebody who wronged me so greatly long ago.
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And so it's so easy to just be like, I'm so, I mean, it'd be so easy just to think of like,
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how wicked they are and how wicked they were, especially in that moment, and how much you would
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just go, well, surely this is what they're going to do. You can talk yourself into it.
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And it's so interesting to me, we do it now too. Well, they did it back then, but Jacob.
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Exactly. But you do it now, even. I mean, how often do we start trying, you know,
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the whole gossip and backbiting that you would see in like an office setting, how much of that
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is just the wickedness of your own heart, trying to basically attribute malice to someone who may
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have none at all. Yeah, it's always easier to see that for some reason. Well, and that's,
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and that's a thing is like you hit the nail in the head, but like you think that they would actually
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like understand like see how God worked in the past because you saw that with Jacob and Esau.
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Jacob, they saw it, they had to have seen it because Jacob broke them up and put them away.
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And they're like, yeah, dad's brother is probably going to come kill us all
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because of what dad did, you know. And so, you know, and it's just like they're walking back and
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they're like, man, Joseph's going to freaking kill us when we come back because of what we did,
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you know, but like, that's not how God works, you know. And so it's, where do you put your trust?
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Yeah. And there's another element here. I mean, so again, so I think most scripture that's written,
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you can kind of you go, there's a direct audience, which would essentially be the audience
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for that time. And then there's the indirect audience, which would literally be throughout time.
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The direct audience here, who's, I mean, who's Moses writing to right now? Because this is Moses
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writing, but who is, who is the direct audience in this moment? It's the Israelites as they're
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wandering through the desert who are probably doubting God's promise at the moment. And yet we just,
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yeah, and corolling. And so here they are, Joseph sends them out of Egypt to go and fetch their father
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and bring them back to Egypt, which at the time, they're all going, all right, yeah. I mean,
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he sends them out with all of these goods. I mean, which is exactly what Egypt did then,
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but now they're wandering in the desert. And it's like, just a reminder that God has a promise. And
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just so you know, for those who went back to Egypt, it didn't go so well for about 400 years, did it?
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You bring up a really, really good point too, because I'm reading Samuel with my son right now.
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And if you go back and you look at the prophets in Samuel, they'll always talk about the God who
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brought you out of Egypt. And so now Joseph, or now Moses is in the whatever the desert,
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and now he's having to show them like, look what God did here. And then you go back to like David's
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time and they're like, look what God did here. And it's just like, and how soon we all forget,
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like even I go through my tough times, like I went through a tough time this last year,
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and I'll be the one to tell you, hey, you're going to go through tough times, put your trust in God.
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But then I also forget what God has done. I'm no different than these people here right now,
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because even I forget what God has done. And then I have to remind myself, like look what God has
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done not only with his people here in the Bible, but look what God has done in my life through other
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people. Well, part of it is perspective as well, because if we go back to in 45 where it's like,
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okay, and God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and then verse eight.
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So it was not you who sent me here, but God, the level of perspective, typically when we're in the
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crap, we don't have any other perspective, right? Now, because I did this exercise with people
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back in the day, but this is when I was at life church, the Craig Rochelle's first book was
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Kazone, and it was kind of helping you find your purpose for your life. And it's a really helpful
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book for a lot of people that kind of have struggle figuring out like what their purpose is and all
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that. And some people get stuck on trying to find like the best statement or whatever. But anyway,
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I was at these workshops helping people understand. And one of the things that you do when you're
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working through that book is you have to put your life into five chapters. Okay. Now at the time,
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I'm in my early twenties. So my chapters are early life, elementary school, middle school,
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high school, college, like those are my five chapters of my life. But I was helping people that were
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in their sixties and seventies. And their first chapter is school, right? From born to, you know,
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whatever their degree is, right? Then they've got early family life and they've got, you know,
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maybe like raising teenagers and then maybe it's like empty nester and all these types of things.
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And so when you look at these, if you have to put your life into five chapters only,
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it changes your perspective on the things that you're dealing with. So, you know, some of you,
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you know, we got teenage kids and things like that. And when something happens to a teenage girl,
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it's the most meltdown thing that could possibly happen because they were not included on a text
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thread or, you know, a boy who gets his heart broken by a girl that he really had a crush on or
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something like that, it ends up happening for you. But the level of perspective that you can have
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if you look at your life in chapters, but look at this. I mean, we're looking at we're, we get the
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book like we got the book. So we know the history and we know what happened and we know what's going
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to happen. They're just living second by second back in that day. And so the perspective they just,
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they simply don't have it. It's, it's, it's so hard. It's so hard to kind of, I mean, when you're
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being shaped, you know, I have this conversation with my daughter a lot, which is, you know,
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all of this feels very like, like this is going to just last forever. And it's so temporary.
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But I mean, in a very real sense, it's when you're being molded by God, sanded down,
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it's very hard to see it because we only see the dust. Yeah, we only see the mess. And you know,
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meanwhile, in all of this, in his providence, he's going to sand you into what you are supposed to
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be the adversity, the things that you go through, they're going to be temporary. And ultimately,
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I'm going to read this quote. So this is from Orson Scott card. It's a book called
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Intershadow. I don't have never read it, but this is a good quote from it. So it's a dialogue
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between two characters. Do you know why Satan is angry all the time? Because whenever he works
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a particularly clever bit of mischief, God uses it to serve his own righteous purposes.
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So God uses wicked people as his tools. God gives us the freedom to do great evil if we choose.
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Then he uses his own freedom to create goodness out of that evil. For that is what he chooses.
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So in the long run, God always wins. Yes. In the short run, though, it can be uncomfortable out
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of the solid quote, we'll leave our discussion of Genesis 45 there and come back here next week,
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because verse 28, 28 and Israel said it is enough. Joseph, my son is still alive. I will go and see
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him before I die. Guys, come back here next week where we're going to be discussing Genesis 46 and
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