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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to The Forging Table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that
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forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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At The Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word, and we're welcoming all of you to come along with that journey
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with us.
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That's Jake.
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That's Ryan.
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That's Eric guys.
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We're digging in to chapter four of Genesis.
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Now we have these last few weeks.
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It has been quite, I just can't believe how much is in four chapters of the Bible, right?
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And so, because you can go certain chapters of the Bible and it's just like, "Ah, it's
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kind of hard to find some meeting."
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Like Nehemiah 3 was one where we were all shocked by the end of Nehemiah 3 that we were
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able to get through that with any type of discussion and we kind of had to cut the discussion
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off because it was so robust, but there's so much here with all of these pieces of scripture.
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But we're going to approach chapter four a little bit differently because I know we've
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been switching off reading the whole chapter, then reading part of it.
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We're going to go back to just reading part of it.
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So we're going to kick off Cain and Abel and so Ryan, if you would read the first eight
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verses of Genesis 4.
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Well, I'm going to make sure I get this correctly.
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Yeah, I wanted to, this is a test, okay?
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So it's like right there in the middle so you can just transfer right to that next word.
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Here you go.
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Now Adam knew Eve his wife.
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She conceived and bore Cain saying, "I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord and
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again she bore his brother Abel."
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Now Abel was a keeper of sheep and Cain, a worker of the ground.
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In the course of time, Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground
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and Abel also brought of the first born of his flock and of their fat and portions.
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And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard.
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So Cain was very angry and his face fell.
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The Lord said to Cain, "Why are you so angry and why has your face fallen?
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If you do well, will you not be accepted and if you do not do well, sin is crouching
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at the door.
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It's desire, it's contrary to you, but you must rule over it."
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Cain spoke to Abel as brother and when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his
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brother Abel and killed him.
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So that's the first murder and so there's so much here that we can get into as far as
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a discussion, but I guess the first thing that we'll look at is there's a lot of comparison
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between Cain and Abel and what their work was, kind of what they did for a living versus
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how they were able to sacrifice, but there's no separation in terms of God, in terms of
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the type of work that they were doing from which they made the sacrifice.
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It was the posture of their heart as they were sacrificing.
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So that's a very important key because again, there's a lot of new Christians or people
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that are considering Christianity, maybe you're Christian curious at the moment and so you
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read a story like this and you're like, "Oh, are there professions that are more godly
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than other professions?"
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But one thing you have to look at is Cain gave an offering and then Abel gave the first
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born of his flock.
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So he gave an ultimate offering and so the posture of his heart was what was basically
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being discussed here.
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So let's start the discussion there with just kind of the posture of your heart when you
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are making sacrifices for God.
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Well, Cain's sacrifice is rejected because it wasn't his best.
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I think Abel gave his best and it was.
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I mean, he's referencing the fat and calf that Abel gave.
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He gave something more and I think sacrifice has to be costly for it to count.
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I think when you start thinking, I actually had this discussion with my daughter yesterday,
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but we've cheapened the word love so much in our society.
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And so what does it mean to love?
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Abel's displaying it real love here because he's giving his absolute best.
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Love in a very real way is all about what you are willing to sacrifice for that person.
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And Abel was willing to sacrifice much more than Cain was to God.
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I think like it's not even his sacrifice that maybe that was half hearted, but it's his
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response after, you know, like his brother had a, I mean, if I'm sacrificing some things,
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if you're going to smell burnt fruit or you're going to smell burnt flesh, which one's going
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to smell better?
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The fat, the flesh, it's going to smell great.
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It's like a barbecue.
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You ever had a smoked pineapple?
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That's what we talk about like with the sacrifice is like God loves the smell of that burnt
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flesh and everything like that.
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It's like it's appetizing.
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And so, but the thing is is when God has regard for Abel's actual sacrifice and not Cain's,
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Cain's heart is angry towards his brother and God for not liking what he had done rather
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than saying, you know what?
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This is what God likes.
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I need to figure out what I need to do to make that better next time.
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Maybe instead of burning fruit, I get my first harvest to my brother who gives me a spotless
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calf.
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Yeah, I was just thinking of the threat of the Bible and in synchre in these nine seven
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and says God loves a cheerful giver, you know, not one that gives begrudgingly but gives
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cheerfully.
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So I'm just thinking here like the word that came to mind, words that came to mind was
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duty and delight.
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I don't think there's any problem with doing your duty, but there should be a delight in
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what we do as well.
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And I feel like almost I'm just imagining Cain like, well, this is what I have to do
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because told me to do it.
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So here you go and I'll do it, you know, whereas Abel, I think probably assuming came at it
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with more of a delight.
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I got enjoy doing this because this is what God has asked me to do.
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When even perhaps Cain was making, Cain was withholding.
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So perhaps he was like, I'll find I'll do it.
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But also he may have been withholding, he's like, okay, I'll give some to you.
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Now I did have a question to what Ryan was just talking about in verse three, an offering
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of the fruit of the ground.
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We're not talking about literal fruit though, right?
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I think we're talking about he was like the fruits of his labor.
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No, I think there's an actual difference between Cain being an actual farmer and his
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brother enabled being a shepherd.
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So I think I think Cain actually had like, I mean, it could have been fruit could have
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been grain, it could have been something else, but it wasn't of animal flesh.
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There's another interesting thing that I didn't, I hadn't heard before until I got into the
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commentary for this.
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They may have been twins.
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So we, we always just assume that Cain was the older brother, Abel was the younger brother,
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which might be true, but that they may have been twins because there is no description
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of a separation of time between these two.
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And so that was one thing that I thought was interesting because we have some interesting
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twin, twin stories in the Bible to begin with.
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But the connection between twins, like if you've ever known twins, like two of my best friends
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in high school were twins and it was just, it was weird.
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It was very weird how connected they were and even if they weren't near one another,
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like the things that they would be doing roughly around the same time and the things that they
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understood about one another, the nonverbal communication between the two.
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And so I mean, you look at a guy, a secular guy like Jordan Peterson, a secular guy who's
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very, very reverent of the scripture, dude, he did like a two hour long seminar on these
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first eight verses.
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Yeah.
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Because he's like, they're so unbelievably much here.
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And it's not just about what we talked about so far, just about, you know, the posture of
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someone's heart.
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I think another thing to look at though too is when we're, when we're looking at at, at
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Cain and Abel, sorry, you started moving into kind of, um, try to remember where I was
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going with that.
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Um, sorry, that's fine.
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One of the things that I was going to, I mean, I would point out here is again, thinking
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of Cain's heart posture and where he was at.
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Okay.
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So Adam in the garden was persuaded to sin, you know, he has the serpent and Eve basically
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offering him the fruit and he, he sins and, and you know, he gets called out on that.
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He tells the truth.
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He's a little petulant about it, but he is at least saying like, well I did eat the fruit.
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Um, Cain here, literally God is trying to, I mean, it's like he knows what Cain's about
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to do.
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And he's trying to dissuade him from sin and he still won't listen.
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And it's, I mean, and if you want to know anything more about, okay, what's Cain's
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heart posture in the, in the sacrifice?
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God's literally speaking to Cain and saying, I know what you're about to do.
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Don't do it.
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And he's like, yeah, I'm going to do it.
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What do you know?
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And again, I can't, I can't think of anything more convicting because I think how many,
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I think of all the times that maybe I've been tempted to sin and confronted with it and
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you just go, I think I could do it just this, I mean, this time's okay.
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One thing that may talk yourself into it.
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One thing that made, I finally figured out what I was going to talk about is that we,
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we talked about last week in regard to Christ clothing, Adam and Eve, and there was a blood
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sacrifice.
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So animals were killed.
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Um, do you think that that knowledge was foreknown that a blood sacrifice to a tone
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needs to be done?
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And that Cain decided not to do a blood sacrifice, but decided to do a sacrifice of his actual
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fruit labor.
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So there's, that's where it's interesting to know what we mean by fruit here, because
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fruit could have been an animal, like it could have been a blood sacrifice, just not a choice
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one, not a, not a, cause the, the dichotomy here is between the first born of a flock
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and of their fat portions and the fruit of the ground.
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And so I guess it's, if it's fruit of the ground, I mean, I actually think, I mean,
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Ryan, I think you may be onto something.
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I mean, the idea of the atonement of sin requiring blood and if he's offering the fruit of the
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ground, but where did the animals come from?
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They were brought up from the ground.
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Well, there's that.
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Would you mind?
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Would one of y'all luck with your log us up?
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I'm looking.
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Maybe.
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Okay.
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You, you go ahead and do that.
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Well, so while while you're doing that, I actually have, have a question that kind of
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came up.
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I want to know the last time you guys were really angry, not like, Oh, my team lost,
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but like super duper angry.
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So I'll start because this happened to me yesterday.
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I went from zero to a million yesterday.
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So to back up last hunting season, we had some, some deer and took it to, took it to
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a processor and they like messed up my order.
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And so they, they basically took all my stakes and tenderloins and some of my roasts and
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grounded up.
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And I told them, basically I didn't want any ground and then, you know, they had done
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it.
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And this was the first year that I wasn't processing the animal completely myself.
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And then it's like someone messed it up.
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And also I was able to go on an oryx hunt, which is, which is a rare thing.
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And so you get this meat.
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And a lot of people think like this is the best meat of all of the animal kingdom that
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a human could eat.
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And I took it to this processor here in Oklahoma city.
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And basically they stole a lot of the meat.
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When I got the meat back to my house, I was like, Oh, hey, I called him up.
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Cause I was like, Oh, it looks like you lost a bag or maybe you didn't give me a bag from
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the freezer or whatever.
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And they're like, no, it's all there.
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And just so you guys know, this is a large animal.
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So two very, very big back straps.
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I got just over two pounds of stakes off of this animal.
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It should have been more like a minimum of 10, 12 pounds.
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And they basically would never admit that one of their employees or somebody like stole
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this meat.
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It's like, look, you either ground it.
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You lost it or you stole it.
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It can't, it can't be something outside of that.
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And so I was really mad, really, really frustrated last season.
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So this year I get an elk.
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I'm hunting with my buddy Heath was fortunate enough to get an elk.
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And I'm taking the elk to a processor here in Oklahoma.
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And it's close to my house, new processor, you know, I'm feeling good about it.
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I get to the processor yesterday, well, a week ago, when I dropped this animal off, I also
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dropped off some bison meat that hadn't been, you know, processed into ground yet.
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And so I basically had two orders.
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Here's an order of, you know, bison meat, you know, 80 some pounds of bison meat, but
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here's an order of elk that I want to be in, you know, stakes and roasts and all that.
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So they basically send me a message to where I think I'm coming to pick up my oak portion
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and I'll pick up my bison later.
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Well, they bring me my bag out to the truck and they're like, all right, all right, have
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a good rest of your day.
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And they go inside and I take my knife and open up the bag.
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It's all ground.
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And in that exact moment, I'm like, they ground up my entire elk, which ground elk
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meat is amazing, but not anything about the fact that your stakes, your roasts and your
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tenderloins are in that ground, right?
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So I lose it.
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I lose it.
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My boys are right there on the bed of the truck and I just grab them, throw them in their
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car seats and I go marching back inside and I take a few deep breaths before I get to
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the lady at the front who had nothing to do with this and I say, Hey, ma'am, would you
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just double check and make sure?
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Was that my elk meat or was that my bison?
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And she's like, well, let me go look.
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And so I had to go back outside and like sit there and stew in this.
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And luckily they had made a mistake with the first message, but that that was actually
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my bison.
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So I literally went from normal, excited, I got a bunch of meat to put in the freezer
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to through the ceiling, completely angry, like ready to fight the entire planet to come
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right back down, but it didn't give me an opportunity.
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I go back to the truck and I go to my boys and I say, boys, y'all saw dad get really
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mad, right?
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Yeah.
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Dad shouldn't have done that.
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Dad should have been able to control himself.
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I'm really sorry.
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You had to see that.
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James.
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Do you forgive me?
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Yeah.
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I forgive you.
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Eli, do you forgive me?
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Yeah, I forgive you.
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So it gave me a moment to kind of deal with it.
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But for a guy that used to have a completely off the rails, anger problem, I hadn't had
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an angry spell like that in a minute.
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So that was one for me.
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So while you're still doing your research, I've already got it.
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Oh, well, hit us with it.
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So here's what Moody says.
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Let me get back to it.
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In their desire to worship, therefore the brothers quite naturally present to the Lord
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what is theirs to give, namely a fruit offering and a flock offering.
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Cain's offering was not rejected because it was a non-animal offering.
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This distinction is made only later on the law of Moses and when the fruit and grain offerings
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were legitimate offerings in Leviticus 2, 1 through 16.
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So laws of grain offerings which had to have oil and frankincense poured on them in regards
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to giving but had everything to do with his heart because his heart and his attitude was
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not consistent with the act of worship.
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So I think it just comes back down to like, you know, we talk about tithing.
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We talk about giving.
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Like you brought up is giving with a grateful heart and having a grateful heart.
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So God saw like God sees the heart of a man that's he saw it in David.
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He saw the heart of Cain and saw that there was no worship in it.
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I happened early in next to right where, oh gosh, who is the couple that withheld some
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of their, their gifts that they're supposed to bring in a nice and safari.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then they got swallowed up.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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It's rough.
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Anybody else want to share an anger story?
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So I'm not the only angry elf at the table.
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This recent anger story is probably not worth sharing.
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It's worth sharing.
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Probably not appropriate to share.
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Well, give us a PG version.
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Well, can you give a PG version without violating?
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I'm trying not to violate.
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Okay.
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Well, let's just pause.
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Well, you can tell us afterwards after we turn the cameras off.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Yeah, I got one.
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I mean, literally it happens every, I mean, I would say I pretty much have an anger fit
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towards the end of every busy season I have.
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And I just wrapped one up.
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And I start looking at the hours that people are, you know, we, we require 50 hours a week
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during busy season.
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It's just the ebb and flow of this, you know, the cycle of how things work.
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We don't get information until a certain time.
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It all has to be done by another time.
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So we require more hours during certain times of the year.
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We give those back at other times a year.
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We have unlimited PTO.
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We have four day work weeks in the summer, like we really try and say, look, you have
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the opportunity.
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We're going to ask for more of these future dates.
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So I'm going to give those back to you at other dates.
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And they are all about taking the days that we give them, but when it comes time to give
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them back, they short me.
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And whenever I get toward, you know, we'll monitor it and we'll bring them in and then
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I get to the end of busy season and then I go, you're short and I look at it and I get
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so I get fit to be tied because number one, I feel ripped off, which I hate.
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Number two, I look at the people who worked more.
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And then I see people who worked less and I get very frustrated because I go, if you
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would have just worked on average three hours more a week, this person could have gone home
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an hour earlier every night because those hours don't go anywhere.
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So I get, it just, it feels very, where I get worked up is anytime I feel like there's
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an injustice, I get very, very worked up and I have to remind myself that sometimes what
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I see as injustice is more just fairness and fairness is just envy disguised as justice.
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So when a lot of times we don't actually want fair, no, we don't.
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So fair would not be something that we would go towards.
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First of all, just to go back to you, I've never seen you angry before.
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So I'm very excited to hear this off air story because I've never actually seen it in real
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life.
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But I can imagine it.
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Man, I mean, and you can imagine like when some, when you feel like your character's attacked,
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like I know where my heart is, but when I when I'm attacked on where my heart is, you know,
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outwardly that that that's infuriating.
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So that's, that's one area that I struggle with is just being able to receive that and
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be like, yeah, but at least I know where I am, you know, personally.
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The other is just like, as I, as I'm teaching kids and I teach them something that's true
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and then I see repeated mistakes in that area, I may have to remember I too make the same
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mistakes over and over and over again, but sometimes it just, it's very frustrating.
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I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall, you know?
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That's it.
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Ryan.
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Actually, every time I freaking drive, man, like, oh, I got, I don't know if it's like
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road rage.
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I just get sick and tired of people not paying attention.
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So like a great, well, it's like, it's like here, here comes somebody down the road, 45
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miles per hour.
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They're about about 10 feet from you, doesn't mean it's time for you to pull out and have
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them slow all the way down to 30 miles per hour.
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Like you couldn't wait the extra 30 seconds for that other person to go by.
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Like it just takes me off.
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So I'm betting you, no one could ever indict you for any sort of traffic violations yourself.
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Never.
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I will say I'm sure I'm sure I can be me and I just get annoyed with it.
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And that's what I, that's where I feel like the most of my anger, but like, I just bottle
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it up.
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Which is obviously a good thing.
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I will, I will say this as well.
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A lot of times while I'm driving, I will have this, this thought like, man, I wish
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I had an old beater of a truck in that I could just run this person off the road.
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Dude, I think you're about that multiple times.
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Yank him out of the car and show him a thing or two.
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Like that's where my mind goes because I just kind of like, I kind of trail off for a little
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bit, going to murder land and then I come back down to have a just keep it in between
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lines.
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I've said it, I said it to my wife.
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I was like, I hope somebody pulls that person out of their car and beats that all out.
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You're wanting the beater truck.
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I'm wanting a monster truck.
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I just got to want to run them.
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Oh, no.
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I don't want to kill them.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no.
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I want to kill them, but I want to do it with my hands.
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I don't want to do it with my vehicle.
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No, we're at church leaving any like, nobody like you're going down the road to drive.
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And this person pays no attention, pulls out in front of me, which I'm like, all right,
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it's church.
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I'm like, I'm not going to be upset.
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But then as you're going down the road, they can't do the stinking speed limit.
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They're like weaving off in the other directions.
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I'm like, I'm like, this is the idiot I have to go to church with, you know, like, I was
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like, I was kind of like, I was like, I wanted to do something.
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I wanted to honk.
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I wanted to do like a lot of stuff to get like my fleshly desire, but I had just, I just
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buckled it right now.
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I'm sorry, Ryan.
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I was trying to set my fantasy football line up.
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No, right.
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There is the warning to everyone that attends Faith Bible Church is Ryan is harshly judging
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your driving abilities and decision making.
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Hey, attention.
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Keep that in mind.
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If you agree, pay attention when you see somebody on their phone or eating or doing their makeup,
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it does become problematic.
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But the reason why I wanted to kind of bring up the different angers here is God doesn't
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just deal with the lack of prudent sacrifice or the lack of heartfelt sacrifice.
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He's going right at Cain's anger.
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Like he's challenging Cain's anger here.
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Verse six, the Lord said to Cain, why are you angry and why is your face fallen?
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If you do well, will not, will you not be accepted?
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And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door.
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That's desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.
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Because none of us would assume that God's going to be like, you know what?
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You're just fine.
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You're sin.
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Just go ahead and stay there.
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But some of us are stewers.
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Like I used to stew in anger, like I would get angry and then stay angry and then I would
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just be quiet angry, right?
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So it was loud bombastic anger into quiet anger and I would just stew on it.
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Whereas now, thankfully, whether it's maturity or just better decision making or just sanctification
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or whatever, like it's a snap of anger and then it's like, you're fine, right?
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Come back.
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It's all good.
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Like half some perspective, pull out to, you know, where you're looking at 10 years
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of life as opposed to 10 minutes of life and say, is this a blip on the radar?
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And sometimes it is.
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Sometimes it's a serious significant thing that's happening and you're justified in your anger.
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Most of the time, you're just being a little kid.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know, I was thinking, as I was reading through this part, I was thinking
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last night to the movie, the Matrix and when Simon is eating with Agent Smith and I know
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that the state doesn't exist, I know when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling
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my brain that it's juicy and delicious and after nine years, you know what I realize?
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Ignorance is bliss and to me, that is such a good marker for just kind of living in your
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sin nature, where you're just going, I kind of, you know, I've got this sin.
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Maybe it's anger and I just feel it's like, nope, you know, I'm justified in my anger.
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I mean, or maybe it's sexual sin.
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Maybe it's, I don't know, there's a litany that you could go through obviously, but whatever
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your sin is, it's this idea that somehow I can live with this and I'm okay knowing that
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even though I'm living with this, knowing that it this pleases God or maybe I don't
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think it this pleases God, but knowing I can live with that, it's like, I'm just attached
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to my sin, I'm more attached to that sin than I am to God and I'm just willing to live this
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selfish life.
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That's when you're like choosing not to be sanctified.
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Yeah.
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It's like I'm in this sin and I know, because you know it's a sin, you called it a sin,
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but you choose the one to live in your flesh and in that sin rather than being sanctified
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by the spirit of God. And I mean, that's basically what God's telling Cain right now is like,
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rather than sitting there moping because your sacrifice I didn't like because I know your
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heart, it would do well for you to take my advice and have a heartic giving, you know,
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if not, you'll still be in sin. And so the thing is, is he hardened his heart, you know,
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he didn't listen to God, he hardened his heart and then look what happens.
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Was he, do you think he was jealous of Abel being accepted? Probably. Is that where that
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started? And then it just blinded him. I mean, that's why killed his brother out of jealousy.
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Yeah. Well, generational sin, right? Yeah. Eve was envious of God. This is some truth
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in that. Well, I think as well, it's, it's spite, like I think Cain's angry at God more
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than he's angry at Abel, but he can't kill God. So he kills Abel. And so in this exact
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scenario, again, let's assume that they are twins, right? In this moment, it's, it's Cain
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that realizes God did not accept his, and we can't know that Cain knew that God wouldn't
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accept it or that Cain knew why God accepted Abel's over canes, right? There's probably
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still some confusion here. I think he's angry at God. And then think about it, extrapolate
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that out to today. How many people do horrible things to other people because they're angry
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at God. They're angry at their earthly father, something like that. I mean, when you think
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about generational sin or curses or things like that, like kids that were abuse, a lot
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of times grow up to be abusers, right? And it takes somebody basically stopping that
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line of sin in a particular family line to keep that from continuing and, and manifesting
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in the next generation. So I don't think he's more than jealous.
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Yeah, you got to remember too that there's been a declaration that God's going to bring
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a savior into the world. And I, I'm just imagine behind the scenes, like you have, which remember
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that there's a supernatural world that's existing and, and are interacting at any time. So it's
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not us versus other people per se. It's as much as it's Satan trying to utilize to pit
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each other against one another to cause harm. But like he's like, I had to imagine Satan's
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right here going, okay, I know God's going to bring a savior. So I need to cut this off
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as soon as I can. So what can I do to get into this family and cause division, uh, that
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outright murder? And it goes on and on and on and all the way up to Jesus. I mean, what
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are we trying to do when Jesus is born? We're trying to, we're trying to kill all the, all
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the male boys under a certain age, right? Cause he's like, Oh crap, Jesus has been born.
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Savior's been born. Let's cut it off here. You know, so this is just one of those early
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stories of, of Satan trying to get, uh, get in and cut off God's story.
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I think another thing to look at is Cain's anger did not admittedly vent itself into murder.
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So it says, instead it moved from a stage of inner entity to verbal, verbal dispute.
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So this is implied in reference to the verse that Cain was speaking with Abel before he killed
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him. I came from the moody commentary. So like they were like, who knows? Like he was already angry.
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And they didn't want, he wasn't like so angry. He just walked over and killed his brother. Like
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they actually got into a verbal dispute. So who knows what was said, but it's also the kind of the
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idea of like, let, don't let the young, don't let the son go down in your anger. Yep. You give
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a foothold turns into a stronghold. Yep. You know, that sort of thing. So wasn't dealt with quickly.
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Nope. All right. Let's keep this. That's right. Let's keep this going. Uh, Winkler, let's do nine
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through 16. Then the Lord said to Cain, where is Abel, your brother? He said, I do not know.
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Am I my brother's keeper? And the Lord said, what have you done? The voice of your brother's blood
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is crying to me from the ground. Now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to
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receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to
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you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth. Cain said to the Lord,
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my punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground and
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from your face, I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth and whoever
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finds me will kill me. Then the Lord said to him, not so. If anyone kills Cain,
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vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him
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should attack him. Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of
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not east of Eden. So he lies to God. You know, God knows what happens, but you know, where's Abel,
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your brother? I don't know. Well, he knew. Am I my brother's keeper? Makes a joke about it.
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Yeah, sarcasm makes a joke about it. Why is it a joke? Because what was Abel's job? He was a keeper
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of sheep. He was a shepherd. Am I my brother's shepherd? Am I my brother's keeper? Again,
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you don't want to read tonality into scripture that changes the meaning of it or the exegesis of it,
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but go ahead. Was he rolling his eyes? So it's okay to woman?
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Whoops. Generational curse. I don't think so, but sarcasm's still there.
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Well, I think it's funny how he got the same like chastisement and what do you want to call it,
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like curse as his father did. So now instead of like his toil into the ground providing for him,
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how he's going to toil into the ground and there will be no provisions for him,
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which then he in turns like basically admits to his sin and saying like, oh, that that that that
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oh, man, I don't know. Like, what did God got that curse is more than I can bear? Yeah.
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And like he's like, so he knows what he did. And now he's like, I can't even take the punishment.
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Well, I mean, see, to me, it's almost I don't know that he's really acknowledging the sin.
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He's just lamenting the punishment. Right. He's just going like, I mean,
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he's worried about getting killed, isn't he? Yeah. He's like, he's worried exactly. He's trying to,
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he's like, they're going to kill me. They're going to kill me. Oh, and I won't be able to,
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I'm not going to be in. I can't see your face anymore. This is awful. And it's like, but he's
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not once is he acknowledging like, he never repents of the sin. He only laments the punishment.
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Yeah, he doesn't repent, but he really, he finally says what he did, you know, he like, he knows
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he's sinned. He won't repent of it. He doesn't say where when he, um,
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because he acknowledges the punishment, which is, hey, I will be a fugitive and a wanderer,
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but he doesn't acknowledge, he acknowledges the punishment. So he acknowledges the fact that he
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did sit. No, he's acknowledging the punishment. He's not acknowledging the sin.
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He said, I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth and whoever finds me will kill me.
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So that goes back to God's words, which you shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth,
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but at no point do we see a lament or a repentance or an acknowledgement of what he
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had done. Well, I remember reading the moody commentary and being like, wait a minute,
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I don't understand how this is him. Maybe I read it. I know exactly the passage you were reading
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because we read the same, the same one. It's the difference. To me, it's the difference between
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Cain and Adam and Eve. I mean, Adam and Eve, did they, did they admit to this? They did admit to
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the sin. They just blamed it on someone else. Cain never even admits the sin. It says,
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Cain was expressing deep remorse and confession when he said, my iniquity slash evil is too great
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to forgive. But dizzy, I don't know. It is an expression of remorse over the recognition of sin,
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so wicked that God's great mercy seems unacceptable. Makes perfect sense as an expression of despair
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rightly caused by sin with the wish that he would just die. You know, I mean, at the same time,
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you could be like, dude, I just, I just killed this guy, happened to me on a brother or what's
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a big deal? Yeah, like you just gave me such a harsh punishment. I can almost imagine, you know,
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it's like that it really, does it really justify this for the rest of my life?
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Okay, if you go to any sense of confession, would seem to be quite far from Cain's statement
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in verse 13, as typically translated, my punishment is too great to bear,
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that's to the Nazbi, or my punishment is greater than I can bear, RSV. The Hebrew word typically
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translated punishment of on normally means iniquity or evil. And when used as the object of the verb
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bear, it usually has an idiomatic sense of bearing a way that is forgiving sin.
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Casido. So they're saying, they're saying that Cain, by saying the word punishment, he's saying my
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evil that he perpetrated. Yes. See, I actually look at that very differently because if he's saying
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my evil, my evil is greater than I can bear and that if you look at the pun, I mean,
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to me this, I don't know, when I read this, Cain's basically, he thinks this punishment is unjust.
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I mean, this is just a commentary. Yeah, I know. You don't have to take those words forward.
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I'm just trying to like, I'm trying to, when you, when you look at these things,
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I'm trying to say, well, was he remorseful because he knows like he's taking the punishment and he's
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saying like, that's more than I can bear. Yeah. You know, and so I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I mean,
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obviously, I don't know you either. Yeah. Let's, let's look at something else that we may not know,
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but verse 14, behold, you have driven me today away from the ground and from your face. I shall
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be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and wander on the earth and whoever finds me will kill me.
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So there's an implication here in the scripture that there's more people on earth than
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have been described so far in the Genesis count. And so I remember getting stuck on verse 14 and
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I sent that to Matt Chandler and I asked him about it and he goes, there's an implication here
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that God is not only doing things through the line of Adam, that Adam and Eve are preeminent in
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their creation in humanity, but there is other humanity that is taking place in this moment.
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Do we know if there were other couple pairs that were created over here and created over there and
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create over there to be the beginning of humanity? We can't know that for certain just by looking
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at the text, but that the line comes from Adam and Eve. The issue here though is if Adam and Eve's
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first progeny are able and cane, cane would not be fearful that anybody else because there would
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not be in anybody else other than mom and dad. Does that make sense? Well, are they the first
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two people that are born to Adam and Eve? Are they the first one, first two that are acknowledged?
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As born to them? I mean, is it? Yeah, exactly. Are they the first sons?
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Here's what I did. I was like, well, Adam lived for 980 years or whatever. Let's just assume they
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have a kid every 10 years. That's a lot of kids. And then I was like, I calculate how long it takes
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if each of their boys get married and do the same. They each have 10 kids. It does not take that very
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long to go from Adam and Eve and Kane and Abel, whatever, to a million people. In fact, I think
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it's less than 150 years. Yep. So I guess we don't know. And by this time, Kane and Abel literally
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could have had children themselves. I mean, it's possible. But the thing that I look at though,
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too, is I can agree with Chandler and the fact that we don't know how God created after the fall.
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He could have created more people and created civilizations elsewhere. That very much could
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happen. I do not believe that more people were created before the fall. I think during that,
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I think during that Eden time that it was just Adam and Eve. Yeah, I think that's something that
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you can point to biblically, but you're right. We've always assumed in the story that Kane and
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Abel were the first two people born to Adam and Eve. We can't know that. They could have been
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well down the line at that point, but we can see inherently that there are people in existence that
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are not Adam, Eve, Kane, or Abel at this point. Yeah, you go to 17 and it says he built a city,
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you know, so it's like, well, how big is this? A city for what and for who? Right? Probably for
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people to inhabit. The other thing to look at, too, is like this passage isn't about, hey,
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how did other people show up? This passage is about the heart of a man towards God. Correct.
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You know, and a heart of a man towards what he has dominion over and also his brother.
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And so when we start, like that's what God wants us to glean from the scripture rather than, hey,
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how did other people pop up? You know, like he's like, that's a mystery you don't need to worry
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about. Right. Let's talk about another mystery that is interesting to talk about, but we can't
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really know why is God guaranteeing Kane that, you know, he will avenge sevenfold the vengeance.
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If somebody takes vengeance on him, there are lots of different schools of thought as to why
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God is protecting him. Yeah, I just think because that is, he's trying to get to Jesus to be the
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Savior. He cannot have him killed. I just think he's protecting the line. How does that protect
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the line now? The line was from Seth because there's a line from Seth. Yeah, that's
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sorry. Yeah, but maybe it's just kind of creating that whole, you know, I don't know. Maybe when it
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comes down to it, that's what God wanted to do. That was what God said. Like he came to him and said,
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well, they're going to kill me. He's like, no, they're not. He's like, I will avenge sevenfold.
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But think about it. Like this punishment is something like he fears, you know, and then he
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also fears death, but God thinks it's like, it's like the whole, the whole death penalty punishment.
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Like we can either put somebody to death, or we can, or we can let them sit in prison forever and
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take care of them, you know, like, wouldn't it be easier to die than to sit in prison for 40 years
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and live under that torture? You know what I'm saying? And so like the way he looks at it is just
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like, hey, I want to have you live out your punishment. No one's going to harm you.
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I still think about it, but like from a revenge standpoint, like you got two tribes and wherever
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in one tribe kills one person of another tribe and then the other tribes, well, we're going to go
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back. We're going to kill two people on their tribe. And it just goes back and forth, back and forth,
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back and forth until they basically annihilate themselves. I feel like he's, God, maybe is trying
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to cut that off right now. There's not going to be any of this revenge stuff.
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Go ahead. I was going to say, I actually looked at this more like, why did he not kill Cain? Well,
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because Cain actually had a purpose outside of, outside of just basically being the, you know,
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first murder, first murder and, and, and being punished for that murder. I mean,
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Cain, Cain went and wandered, but I'm sure had progeny and, and you know, those are the people who
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basically expanded and, and, which we see that here. We see that at the end. You're correct on that.
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Yeah. Let's actually let, let's let's put a pin in that. Sorry. Go ahead and read 17 through 26
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and then we'll pick back up. So go ahead and read that and then pick back up where you were.
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Great. I get the hard names. You're welcome. I could give them to Ryan.
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All right. Ryan's out of the bullpen. Come on. Let's go 17 through 26.
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Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bore Enoch and he built a city. He called
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the name of the city after the name of his son Enoch. To Enoch was born a rod and a rod
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fathered Mehul, Mehul, and Mehul fathered Methuza Shao, and Methuza Shao fathered Lemick. And Lemick
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took two wives. The name of one was Atta and the name of the other was Zila. Atta Bourgeois,
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he was father of those who dwell in tents in livestock. His brother Jubal
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was the father of all those who play the leer and pipe. Zila bore Tuber Cain.
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He was the forger of all instruments and bronze and iron. And the sisters of Tuber Cain was
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Namah and Lemick said to his wives, "Adah and Zila, hear my voice. You wives of Lemick,
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listen to what I say. I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me.
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If Cain's revenge is sevenfold, then Lemick's is seventy sevenfold. And Adam knew his wife again,
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and she bore a son and called his name Seth. For she, for she said, God has appointed for me
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another offspring instead of Abel for Cain killed him. To Seth also a son was born and he was called
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Enoch. At that time, people began to call upon the name of the Lord. So continue Jacob.
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Well, I've kind of lost my choice. You were talking about how Cain, his progeny was supposed to.
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Yeah. So I think when you start looking at just the wickedness that was kind of born out of Cain's
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sin, and Lemick even coming in here, and I mean, basically he say, God's revenge for killing Cain
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is sevenfold. Lemick's revenge for just simply striking him is seventy sevenfold. So essentially
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elevating himself above God. And so I look at it and go, yeah, Cain actually, Cain's purpose was
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essentially to, it's almost like he had a purpose of still populating the earth. But at the same time,
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that population was just born out of wickedness and extended that wickedness throughout
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lifetimes. Is there a connection here? I just saw this might not be, but Jesus and Peter are talking.
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Peter thinks he's going above and beyond by saying, how often should I forgive my brother seven times?
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Because again, in, in, you know, Judaism, there was really no concept for forgiveness from one
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person to another, certainly not forgiving seven times. But then Matthew 18, 22, Jesus answered,
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I tell you, not seven times, but 77 times. Absolutely, there's a connection to that.
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Okay, well, let's talk about it. Well, I think, so these Peter says seven times, which would
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essentially be, I mean, it's the inverse, I have to forgive him seven times. The inverse of Cain,
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the wrath of God would be brought down sevenfold on anybody who killed Cain. Peter is saying,
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I have to forgive him seven times. Inverse of that is Jesus is saying, no, that's not enough.
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It's 70 times seven and Lamex over here. 77 fold. Yes, 77 fold. So 70 times seven. I mean,
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I think there is a connection there in that Jesus is still calling back to, I mean, again,
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Jesus to me is calling back to Genesis here. It's like, yeah, this is how, I mean,
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I'm asking you, and again, you still have the numbers of perfection, but I'm asking you that
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to continue to forgive over and over again, because that vengeance that Lamex is wanting
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does not belong to him. It belongs to God. And he's still talking to a human.
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So he's has to, a human has to forgive 70 time, you know, essentially 77 fold.
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Well, there's something I could be off base.
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No, no, no, like I'm going to butcher this, but I heard someone talk about it. So they were talking
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about the Pentateuch. And so that's Genesis, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus numbers, Deuteronomy,
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but that in crap, crap. Okay. In Genesis, every seven letters, if you take every seven letters,
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it eventually will spell out Torah. Same thing in Deuteronomy, but with Exodus and numbers,
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it's, it's every 77 or something like that. But then it's basically that everything is pointing
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to Leviticus, right? It's basically funneling down into Leviticus where, where we get the law and in
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certain things like that. Sorry. This is not the point that I wanted to make. So I completely
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lost it. I can, I can find the video. I remember the pastor, you know, talking about it, but
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there's so much significance to the number seven and how seven is used and the number for perfection.
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Right. You know, everything that God creates, same counterfeits. And so why is the mark of the
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beast three sixes? Because that is the number for incompletion, the number for completion is seven.
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So three sevens would be perfectly complete. And then you get into Matthew 18, 22, is it
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literally 77? Is it literally 70 times seven? Well, no, it's, you don't have 77 times for, you know,
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tell someone that you forgive them or 490 times to tell someone that you forgive them. It just kind
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of like, it's an expression. It's like saying 11 D billion, right? Like it's an expression like
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that. Just onward and onward. Other thoughts? We're basically talking about see,
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well, I will say this. So as we kind of read through Cane's offspring are credited with some
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pretty significant cultural and technological advances here. You have city building, you have
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Bedouin life, you have music and you have metal working metallurgy up. Yep. So why is it Cane?
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Well, why are we seeing this? Why are they documenting this from Cane's line? And it's like,
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literally everything, everything that we are doing. Yeah, everything we're doing for civilization
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is born out of sin. And this desire to essentially overcome the quote unquote obstacles that God
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has put in the path of us of the center and that we can actually control our outcomes in our lives
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just through technological and cultural advancement. God uses people that aren't good people. Yep.
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You know, like look how he Cane's not a good person, you know, but look how he used Cane.
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That's why Cane didn't die. He still had plans. His plan wasn't for Cane to die because if his plan
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was for Cane to die, he would have struck Cane down just like a nice and Sephira. You know,
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but no, he didn't because he still had a plan. His plans still need to be done through Cane.
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You also have first instance of Bigamy documented here. Oh, yeah.
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First 17. Yep, taking two wives. Oh, yeah. So just just wondering,
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wondering further and further away from what God had originally planned. And we're seeing death
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introduced between humans now. And now we're seeing a man taking multiple wives instead of just
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becoming one flesh becoming one flesh. Well, and also this is another time when people are like,
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well, the Bible talks about slavery. The Bible has people that took multiple wives and concubize
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and all that. There's a difference between description and prescription. Okay. So it is
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described here that Lamec took two wives. It doesn't say Lamec took two wives dot, dot, dot,
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and that was a good thing. And that was a very good thing. Or that was a righteous thing. It's
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described not prescribed. So just because something so for Christians out there, if somebody's trying
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to put you into a corner and saying, Oh, you believe this ancient book collected of fables
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and all this other stuff. Well, this is described in there. It's like, okay, if a doctor is describing
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something to you, but they're not prescribing it to you in order to make you well again,
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you would obviously see the difference. The same is true here. Go back to see murder and
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bigamy. And what happens now in the next chapter, like judgment, judgment is going to come down.
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But go back to I mean, Cal to your point, I mean, for Christians who are battling this,
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God, God goes back. I mean, go back to Genesis one. And you look at the six days, okay,
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he describes the end of the first day is good. Second, good, third, good, fourth, good, fifth, good.
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What's he say about the sixth day? Very good. Very good. It's very good. And why is it very good?
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Because that's when man and woman became one flesh. Yep. That's it. So when you start talking
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about whether things are good or bad, just understand that the only time that God ever described
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anything as quote unquote good in the Bible was when he created it. Yep.
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And the very first thing that evil did to humanity was to try to attack the sanctity of marriage.
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And so when people ask me today, what is, you know, what's Satan's number one thing? Who's he
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out there to get? Is he out there trying to get kids? You got it. He's confusing little kids,
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making them think they're the opposite gender, confusing them into thinking that if they were to
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take these synthetic substances that they'll somehow feel better and all these different
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things. Yeah, like Satan's out there taking on a lot of different things, but he's trying to take
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out the marriage first. And there's good reason for that because very from the very beginning,
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we have some of God's very first or the very first orders were to man in terms of his relationship
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to headship, right? He gave the dictates to a perfect, sinless man before woman was created about
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how to act even after woman was created, right? And so Satan's immediately attacking that. Why
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does he tempt Eve directly and not, not Adam directly, right? Because he was attacking the order,
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right? I'm not going to attack the man who might be able to withstand this. I'm going to attack
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the woman who is the weaker vessel, right? So in modernity, if you're doing things for God,
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you better look for for grenades to be pulled and thrown into your marriage. Like that's just
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something that's probably coming for you. Because the other thing is is how do we even begin to fathom
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Christ's love for us? We do that because of how we are supposed to love our wives because Christ's
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relationship to his church is described as that of a bridegroom and a bride. And so the same thing
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is true here that if you have issues, just like if you have earth issues with your earthly father,
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you may have some issues and some mental hurdles to get over as it pertains to a
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heavenly father of any kind. The same thing is true here because if he can get you to doubt the
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sanctity of a marriage, the oneness, the togetherness of a marriage, then he can at least bring up the
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doubt that Christ's sacrifice actually applied for you. Right. And you get to remember that and we
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probably said this before, but marriage is a covenant. It's not a contract. And so Satan will
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try to get you to think about your marriage as a contract. And so if you have a breach of contract,
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you should just get out of that. That's not how that's not how it goes. We live in covenant with
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one another, just like God covenants with us. We do not give up. We don't walk away just because
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someone's not doing their part. We stay in it and we do our part regardless of what the other
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person is doing. I will say this too. There's probably a lot of people out there maybe listening
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that do a whole lot outside their family fighting for different things doing probably in essence
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good things for the kingdom. But if you're not fighting within your house first, you're not
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going to bat for your marriage first, then you've got that in reverse order.
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One thing I would actually also, I mean, you're seeing is the human population continues to multiply.
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The sin tends to multiply and get worse and just we just fall further and further and further away.
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You see these advances in civilization that may enhance the ability to procure food, stay warm,
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stay alive outside of what God had and his perfect plan, but they don't do anything to
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stem the tide of death and sin. And instead of the blessing resulting in subduing and ruling,
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it is the curse that is spreading rather than conquering chaos and claiming it for sacred space,
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sacred space is gone. Chaos is rapidly infiltrating ever deeper with tendrils that penetrate and
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enfold everything they encounter. That's from a commentary, the NIV commentary. But
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one of the things that was interesting whenever I was reading this, I started thinking about
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how godless large cities can seem to appear. And you see all of this technological advancement,
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you know, I remember going to DC a few years ago, a couple years ago and walking around and I just
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looked at my wife and I said, I don't know why, but this makes me sad. And I was like, I don't
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see a church anywhere. I see huge buildings covering up a beautiful sky that God created and I see
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man's creation covering it up. I see concrete on a ground everywhere. I see no grass. I see no trees.
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I see nothing that God created. I see only man's creation. And then you go, what about food? Well,
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food is literally two steps out my door and it's made by a man and it's everything. And you know,
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how do I get from here to there? Well, a man or I can just, I can get everywhere I need to go.
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There's no dependence on God. None. And they don't need any. And it's like, so why are cities so
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godless? But well, because we've advanced ourselves to a point where we feel like we don't need
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him. And you know what? It's easy to start drawing the conclusion like, well, why did this great
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judgment fall on people in the next chapter? Why did these great judgments fall in these cities
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like Babylon? They didn't need it. They didn't they didn't think they needed him.
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with with technological advances. It's just in the absence of
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praising the one who gave you the opportunity to do that. I mean, I totally understand that.
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Like, I mean, I think we're seeing what was naturally going to happen regardless of whether it was
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a perfect world or a non perfect world, I would assume there was going to be a technological
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advances. It was just we were seeing it played out and God wants us to see how it was going to
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happen. It's just now it's happening through in a sin in a sin filled world. I think it's we give
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ourselves a glory in those technological advances and we don't give him the glory. And when it comes
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to that, it just shows how we're we're dying as a people in the fact of, you know, we don't worship
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the creator who was like, yeah, we have these technological technological advances, but we wouldn't
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have them if he didn't start where he started back in Genesis one one. One also, how many of us at
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this table are familiar with the prayer? Give us a stare daily bread. Everyone. Okay. I will. Yeah,
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we know it. Well, we know it. But when have we ever had to pray it for us? So I did not grow up
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in a family that had a lot. I was never hungry. Right. I was never. I was cold and I was hot,
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but I stayed in an air conditioned facility and an heated facility, right? If I was cold or hot,
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it was because I was outside of the home that was provided by my mom and dad, right? And so I
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think whenever you have evolved as a species or as a civilization so much that you are so far
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removed from the prayer, give us a stare daily bread. When are you to call upon the Lord precisely,
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right? Why is the faith of people that have nothing and the level of happiness of people that have
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nothing relative to us? Why does that exist? Why do you get the exact same commentary from
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people from the suburbs that go to, you know, poor parts of Mexico or sub-Saharan Africa or
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all these different places on these admission trips? What do they always tell you about the
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people there? They have nothing and they're satisfied. They are thrilled. They're they're happy. Now,
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you're there because they are missing some things. Maybe they don't have clean drinking water. Maybe
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they don't have, you know, homes with, you know, good plumbing or electrical or any of those types
55:02
of things. But they're satisfied. They're happy. And these are people that are having to or have had
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to pray, give us a stare daily bread. And they had to watch God provide for them as He does for
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the sparrow in the air and any other animal that, you know, isn't stressed out about where
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its next meal is going to come from. That's pretty powerful. I don't remember who it was.
55:24
Somebody had a... I mean, go ahead, Eric. No, no, no. I just, I don't even remember the
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entirety and the quote, but just, I don't remember who it was. It might have been Spurgeon, but it's
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just, or Luther or somebody that just about his prayer was that God would not give him so much
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that he wouldn't get that feeling that doesn't need him, that he would just, he'd have just enough
55:43
to survive just enough to, I don't even know if the Thrive is the word, but I mean, I think
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about that. Like, I don't want so much that then I forget God, don't want too little that I can't
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survive, but I know God provides. I know he promises he'll do that. I'll see if I can find that quote.
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Well, I did have one last question as we wrap up here. At the very end, said, "At that time,
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people began to call upon the name of the Lord." Did y'all look too much into that into verse 26,
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because I couldn't find much, you know, Seth was, was a son that was born,
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or two Seth was born a son. They called him Inash. And at that time, like, what was significant
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about that time where people, it seems like this is the first time where it's like they're
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calling upon the name of God? I would say, I mean, the way I read it is because everything
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that's before this is just kind of talking about the depravity of humanity and how we keep falling
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away from what God had planned, the murder, the infidelity. And you're starting to see all of these
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horrible things that are popping up and horrible humans who are, you know, you know, not just,
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you look at LeMec. It's not that he's sorrowful by any of this. He's taking pride in his sinful
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nature. And you're starting to see that. And now people are like, okay, wait a minute,
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I need to reconsider and I want to call on the name of the Lord. I want to go back to the garden
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because in reality, the people who were in the garden are still here. They're calling on the
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name of the Lord and they are still here. They know what it was like and they can see how the
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wickedness has grown. Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of, I got the impression it's like,
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they get so out of control, they just don't know what to do anymore. And they're like, well,
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there's this God, God guy. Why don't we cry out to him for him to save us? In this moment,
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I found that verse, by the way, it wasn't, it wasn't a quote by somebody. Proverbs 38 and
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nine says, keep false falsehood and deceitful words far from me. Give me neither poverty nor
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riches feed me with the bread that is my portion. Otherwise, I may have too much and deny you saying,
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who is the Lord? Or, sorry, or I may become poor and steal profanning the name of my God.
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All right. Any other thoughts on, yeah. Yeah. So on that last verse, I mean, that's where we're
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introduced to Seth. And so if we look at the line of Cain, the line of Cain is full of depravity.
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I mean, from Lamek to whoever was there, it's all going down a line of depravity. And I think this
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kind of sets us up for Noah because Noah comes from the line of Seth. And so Noah is still a God
58:20
fearing man compared to the rest of civilization. And so I think from there, they're showing that
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the line of Seth is God fearing. And so that his line calls out to God compared to Cain's line.
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When I think to Jake's point, we're about to get into Noah. We're about to get into the
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flood story. And why did the flood even have to happen from the beginning? That may give us a hint
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as to why people were calling upon the name of the Lord, because there was probably some stuff
58:44
going on at that moment where you had no other thing that you could do to rely on for strength
58:48
or understanding than to call upon the name of the Lord. But guys, good discussion of Genesis 4.
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It's been a pleasure doing the first four chapters of Genesis with you fellows. But guys,
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There's some natural breakdowns in the book of Genesis. And so we're actually going to be doing
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Genesis 5 and 6 next week. And so throughout our study of Genesis, we are going to be combining
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