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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the podcast with the forging tabular that Joby loved.
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This is a new week that we will be going through Genesis and this is a new podcast.
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And so I feel like Kyle, we should talk about this.
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This is all I got.
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That's the intro.
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Welcome to Undaunted Life.
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Oh, you want me to do that first?
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Oh, welcome to a Daunted Life a Man's Podcast.
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We're here at the forging tabular with Kyle, the ugly redhead.
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Well, I think you missed that one a couple of weeks ago.
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As long as easy as it looks, it's not as easy as it looks.
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It's not easy at all.
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I feel like I make it look pretty easy.
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But that gamma is hard.
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No, it's not.
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I already need that.
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Yeah.
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No, I just figured since we messed up on it the last three times, why not mess up on it?
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Yeah, this, I mean, this whole batch.
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I mean, we could probably just throw this out and start over.
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But yes, this is the forging table.
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And at the forging table, this is where guys like us get together,
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where we forge spiritual resilience by digging into God's Word.
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And we're welcoming all of you guys out there in, you know, podcast land and YouTube land,
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rumble land to come along on the journey with us.
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Isn't that so much fun?
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Let's go.
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So much fun, dude.
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I love this.
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Like, it's, it's a lot of prep and a lot of work.
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But it's so, how do you want to say it?
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Like, invigorating and like, just bring so much joy that way.
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I could sit here with my brothers and just talk about the Bible, talk about the Word.
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And we just have, we just have so much fun doing it.
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I find I have more conversations throughout the week when I'm preparing for stuff like this,
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you know, whether it's with the guys I work with or whatever.
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I mean, it's, it's rewarding.
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Yes.
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When I'll say like, before we got the idea to do the forging table, it was like, I didn't,
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I didn't have any conversations like this.
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You know, like I just, I was kind of out of the cadence because I was doing stuff for the show.
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And so I wasn't, I wasn't in like a regular standing men's Bible study.
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You know, our Sunday school was, is not exactly like this.
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It's not like super, you know, sometimes we'll break up and do questions and kind of interact
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with one another in that way.
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But you know, you're getting three, four minutes and then you got to come back and hear the person
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talks more and then three, four minutes and then come back.
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So I mean, I wasn't really doing this, but I get excited every month to do this.
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I mean, for years now, we've been, once a month getting in here and recording a whole batch of
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these to put out for guys.
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And I mean, I still get emails and when people come up to me at speeches or things like that,
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they're just like, they always talk about the forging table because they're like,
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oh my gosh, I didn't know just regular guys could kind of get together and do this.
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And that's what I told people that come on here.
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Like if it's your first time coming on, it's like, dude, it's just a Bible study.
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Yeah. I mean, you got headphones and a mic in front of you, but like, this isn't a performance.
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Like you're just you just had a Bible study.
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We're just putting out there for, you know, content for other people to look at.
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Do we start this one two years ago?
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Let me see when the very first one was, do I think the first one, what do we do Galatians?
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Yeah, we do Galatians, but I just remember you bringing us and a couple of the OGs
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when we first started this and saying, hey, this is something I kind of want to bring
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to the podcast and we're like, this is an amazing table.
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Yeah. And he's like, I'm going to call it the forging table.
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And I was like, I'm not foraging.
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The first one was released on 1, 1, 20, 20, 23, 23.
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So 20, 23. Yeah, so we're over the two year mark.
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And so, and I mean, we released the daily blade on 1, 1 of 2025.
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And so that's, that's been pretty edifying too.
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Man, that is done exceptionally well.
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You know, it was kind of the part of the plan was to launch at the beginning of the year.
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And hey, you know, what about the guys on the way to the job side or on the way to the gym?
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And he's done to have an hour to listen to a sermon or, you know, three hours,
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listen to this thing or that thing.
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And he just got five minutes and just he needs something real quick.
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And so that's what the daily blade is done for a lot of people and for Joby and I,
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to just be able to be in the word to be prepped for that so that we can give
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content to men that is going to be edifying to them and help them along the sanctification process.
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And same thing with the forging table.
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Like you can't stray too far away from the text because in another four weeks,
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we're going to be doing another batch.
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You know what I mean?
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And that's one thing that I love about the forging table too.
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And I was just talking to my wife about it was, man, just the people we've got to,
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you know, meet along the way.
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Like Joby being able to be on the forging table with Joby.
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And sometimes getting chastised by Joby for not getting stuff right.
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Like, I'm a shame on you.
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Yeah, I just, I love it.
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And Matt Chandler, that was a fun, I didn't give, I didn't get to roll with Terry,
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but uh, and Jay Reisner from our church.
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Yeah, he always smells me when I come back.
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Does he really?
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Yeah, he does.
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Like, and then I was like, you know, you can't smell it.
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You're still dealing with COVID.
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He's like, yeah, he's like, he's still having problems with smelling.
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Yeah, he hasn't been able to smell anything for years.
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Cause I still like, I still can't smell things like I can change my kid's diaper and I'll be fine.
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He doesn't wear one anymore, but then why are you complaining about the fart earlier, right?
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You're saying that you needed like, yeah, I can smell farts.
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I just can't smell baby poop.
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I was just, I was just all musky man.
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I just smell musky.
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I've heard selective hearing.
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I've never selected selected smelling.
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Well, I'm actually curious.
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I was actually talking about when I changed his diapers and we're diapers anymore.
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I can actually smell now.
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A lot better than I use.
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What about your diapers when you change them?
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Are they my diapers?
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Do they?
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It's your own smell.
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Yeah.
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It's my own smell.
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It's like you.
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It's your own musky.
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I mean, you, you smell your own fart.
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It's like, I can imagine like, you let one go.
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You say that like you have knowledge.
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So that's like the thing I do.
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It's like my past time.
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I can just imagine like, you're sitting in bed.
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You're like, and then it's like, stick your head on the cover of my shelf.
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That's what you think I do with my off time.
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Not my draw face.
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I think that's what you do.
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No wonder Lady Horn doesn't listen to this nonsense,
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but I do have a question for you two guys.
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So Sam and Howard, y'all were both, I guess you could say fans of the forging table
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before you were invited to come on and kind of be a part of it.
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So I'm curious for you, because Ryan, for better or for worse,
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has been here from the beginning.
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And so from those very first, that very first batch of episodes,
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which Ryan was here, I mean, we're talking like, when we were getting ready to record,
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what it would have been Galatians, when we were getting ready to record that,
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we didn't know if we were going to do it past because we're like, okay, Galatians at six chapters.
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Let's just record six of these and then just see.
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But before we went into record Galatians one, I said, no, we're just doing this now,
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because the level of prep that I was doing to get into it,
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I was like so excited to get into the room and see what this would be.
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And I had a little bit more restrictions on it at the beginning.
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I'm like, okay, let's not do a lot of inside jokes as no one's going to get it.
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And we've super loosened up.
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So it's gone well beyond what I could have thought.
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But he's been there since it was just kind of an idea that didn't even have a name,
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that we didn't even have a table, didn't even have any of the setup.
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And so y'all kind of got to see that from the outside looking in, but now you're in.
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So we'd love to get your thoughts on the forging table as well.
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I didn't know I'd been going two years. I thought this was the second episode.
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Stop it. Stop it Sammy.
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This will be the fourth episode that you've been on for the second time.
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He doesn't even remember.
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Lots of connections.
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I still like the snowing.
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Few too many. Only three that I can remember.
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How many did you see you've been on?
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This is the second time we.
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Yeah, so this is his eighth episode.
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Okay.
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So I guess this will be your 12th.
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Yeah, so I would say looking back, I mean, we're in a Sunday school class together,
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not ABF.
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Nope.
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And so I knew about the podcast and then started listening to the forging table
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and to just see how it's grown and developed.
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It's been a really cool thing to sit back and look at and see how we've all grown in our
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faiths and how this kind of helps mature us when you're in the word.
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We always tease Kyle in our Sunday school class because we have a fairly large Sunday
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school class and we talk about when we need to thin out the herd and our Sunday school class.
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We have Kyle get up and speak because he brings the truth.
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So it's been neat to see how Kyle has brought so much of that stuff from here
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to the Sunday school class.
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And it's really neat to see him bring some of those things that you wouldn't typically talk
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about in a Sunday school class and the people Kyle talks to on these podcasts
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and bring that to our Sunday school classes has really helped grow and mature a lot of people
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and opened up our insights to things going on in the world.
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So I'd just say it's been a good blessing and it's been neat to see it grow you and grow
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our church as well in the community.
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Well, it's even been great just to see because I get to see kind of where everyone's at
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because at the end of the day, you know, this is in a democracy like I'm going to say whatever
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the next book is and all that.
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But I do want kind of feedback like, hey, where are we at?
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What canes are we in?
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You know, you can only do a first gospel for the first time once.
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And so when we went into Matthew, that was like, you know, we're really thinking through it,
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really praying through it.
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And then like, okay, at some point, we got to go back to Genesis.
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And so we just roll from Matthew right into acts, but then we take a john over to Genesis.
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And we've been in that for a while because I was looking through the Old Testament this morning.
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And it's like, if we do anything in the Old Testament, we're basically in it for a year, right?
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Yeah.
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If we do Exodus, if we do, I'd say.
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When you did Genesis, though, you decided that I was excited.
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I remember he hit me up.
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He's like, hey, what's the next book we should do?
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You won't you won't guess what I want to do.
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And like, my mind is like, it's going to be Romans.
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I'm going to talk about Calvinism.
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The Romans, you know, he's what every guy thinks.
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I was like Romans.
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He's like, seriously?
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I was like, no.
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And he's like, Genesis.
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I was like, seriously?
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He's like, yeah, we're going to do Genesis.
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So I was like, I've been pushing for it because I was like, we have to have a foundation.
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Yes. You know, and we've already gone through the gospel, Matthew.
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And we've had some, some fun books and some Pauline letters, but it's like, let's get into,
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let's get into the.
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It covers so much history, but it's so thick.
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Well, thanks so many people want to unhitch from the Old Testament.
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But there's, there's so much theology in the Old Testament and just in Genesis alone,
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that tells us about the character of God and who he is and how he impacts our life.
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And so was it WestHuff that said, you know, like the Old Testament is the mirror, you know?
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Yeah, the laws of mirror.
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Yeah.
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They have laws of mirror.
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And like, so the Old Testament is a law and it's the mirror, you know?
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And so it's like we've, we can't have one without the other because without the Old Testament,
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we don't see why we need Christ.
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Yeah.
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And also when I have people reach out, you know, we've got a Dante.live/the forging table.
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So I'll send people back to be like, hey, you know what?
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You need to listen to our series.
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We did on Nehemiah.
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Okay, because a lot of people don't study Nehemiah, right?
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Or if they do, they stop after chapter four, right?
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And so, but also when people are like, man, I don't know where to start.
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I don't know where to start the Bible study.
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I'm just seeking after Lord and all that.
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It's like, well, we did Matthew to this almost a year, right?
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So go into Matthew, like here's the thing, find Matthew one and then go from there.
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And so to think that we're basically putting out series right now without doing anything topical.
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I mean, we've done some short Johnson Proverbs and Psalms and different things like that.
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But it's been very, very edifying and I'm thankful to have you guys along on the journey.
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But we should probably get to the text at some point.
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So we're doing Genesis 30 and 31 today.
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And so we're going to have some fun doing some reading of different passages.
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But Ryan, you're going to lead us off with, you know what?
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Yeah, just read the whole thing.
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Well, just read one through 24.
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One through 24.
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Yeah.
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24 just to 22.
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Oh, wait, no, there's 24.
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Yeah, 30.
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I can't read good.
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Yeah, just three.
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He wants to be the leader again.
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Yeah.
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Put him back in there.
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Welcome.
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He just, he's trying to get my chair, right?
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Welcome to the podcast.
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See, because right here in case something goes wrong and how it has to be in the corner,
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because he's enormous.
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And so it's like, we can't-
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Honestly, I could never do your job.
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Like we joke about it.
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I don't want to do it.
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You could-
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You tried?
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Dude, we gave you your best shot.
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We were just trying to, we were just having some fun.
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I don't mind being the color.
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You can be the commentator.
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You know, so-
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That's right.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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Let's go.
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Let's do it.
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Alright, when Rachel saw that she bore Jacob, no children, she envied her sister.
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She said to Jacob, "Give me children, or I shall die."
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Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel.
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And he said, "Am I in the place of God who has withheld from you the fruit of the womb?"
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Then she said, "Here's my servant, Bela.
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Go into her so that she may give birth on my behalf, and even I may have children through her."
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So she gave him, she gave him her servant, Bela, as his wife and Jacob went into her.
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And Bela conceived and bore Jacob's a son.
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Then Rachel said, "God has judged me, and has also heard my voice and given me a son."
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Therefore, she called his name Dan.
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Rachel's servant, Bela, conceived again and bore Jacob a second son.
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Then Rachel said, "With mighty restlings, I have wrestled my sister, and have prevailed."
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So she called him the tholly.
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So maybe I'll do the wrestling.
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How women think, huh?
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Yeah.
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When Leia saw that she had C's bearing children, she took her servant Zilpha and gave her to
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Jacob as his wife.
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Then Leia's servant Zilpha bore Jacob a son.
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And Leia said, "God's fortune has come."
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And she called him Gad.
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Leia's servant Zilpha bore Jacob a second son.
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And Leia said, "Happy am I, for women have called me happy."
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So she called his name Asher.
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In the days of the wheat harvest, Ruben went and found Mandrakes in the field and brought them
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to his mother, Leia.
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Then Rachel said to Leia, "Please give me some of your son's Mandrakes."
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But she said to her, "Is it a small matter that you have taken my husband?
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Would you take away my son's Mandrakes also?"
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Rachel said, "Then he may lie with you tonight in exchange for your son's Mandrakes."
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I just noticed that she just pimped him out.
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Yeah, also, someone called and one of the commenters are read.
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They called Mandrakes.
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Love apples because they were an aphrodisian.
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Yeah, that's it.
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That's in the Bible, y'all.
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She just pimped him out.
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That's right, that's how it goes.
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When Jacob came to the field in the evening,
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Leia went out to meet him and said, "You must come in to me for I have hired you."
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Wouldn't like someone's Mandrakes.
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Oh, man.
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When you read this out loud, it's so much different.
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You really started reading it out loud.
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Yeah, I'm going to.
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So he lay with her that night and God listened to Leia
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and he conceived and bore Jacob a fifth son.
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Leia said, "God has given me my wages because I gave my servant to my husband."
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So she called his name Isakar.
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And Leia conceived again and bore Jacob a sixth son.
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Then Leia said, "God has endowed me with a good endowment.
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Now my husband will honor me because I have borne him six sons."
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So she called him Zebulon.
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After the, after she bore a daughter named Herdina.
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Then God remembered Rachel and God listened to her and opened her womb.
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She conceived and bore a son and said, "God has taken away my reproach."
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And she called his name Joseph saying, "May the Lord add to me another son."
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Hey, thank you for letting me read that because like Joseph's like my favorite story in the Bible.
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Well, good.
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It says, "And I got to open it."
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You're, yeah, you took us right to Joseph.
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So that is the introduction of a major character here towards the end.
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And then I had a little note here, the name Joseph has two possible Hebrew derivations.
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The Hebrew word Asaf meaning to take away in the Hebrew word Yassaf meaning to add.
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Rachel uses the word Yassaf in this verse suggesting that she viewed it as,
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as viewed it as related to that word.
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So meaning to add.
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And so again, "May the Lord add to me another son."
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So major, major character that we have coming through this exact same line.
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But yeah, this first side, I mean, we have history repeating itself.
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Here at the beginning that, yeah, here, okay, it's not really going to work.
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So yeah, go into my servant and have sex with her.
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And then we'll just kind of keep this all going.
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So it's just like at some point, like this entire thing,
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it's like this is all in here for a reason.
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But me and Rachel love apples.
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It's a huge cat fight.
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It's like, all right, I'm going to give you my servant.
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And I'm going to give you my servant.
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And they're going to bore us children.
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And then I'm going to pimp you out for some man tricks.
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You know?
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And then she's like, you know, this dude is just like, yeah, okay.
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Do you want to make like, he doesn't even want the man drag.
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So he's just like, yeah, I'll do this.
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This is cool.
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So how would you guys have responded?
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If you were in Jacobs, we're not supposed to put herself in that.
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Yeah.
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We're trying to talk about how would you have responded?
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If you're came to you and said this, like, how would you ever like,
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because I'm sitting here thinking like, Jacob's response is not out of love.
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It's out of anger instead of compassion.
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But then I'm reading the commentary.
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And here's what the commentary says.
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It's like, um, Jacob loved Rachel and therefore, uh,
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reproved her for what she had said amiss.
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Faithful reproof shows true affection.
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God may be you God may use us instead of any creature,
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but it is in sin and folly to place any creature in God's stead
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and to place that confidence in any creature,
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which should be placed in God only.
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So I was like thinking like, man, he should have responded with compassion and love.
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Like worst for us.
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She's like, feel him.
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And then it's like, well, no, you kind of did need to reproop or shine.
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Yeah, because she's mad at him for something he can't control.
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He can't.
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Yeah.
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He's like, who am I?
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I'm not God.
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I can't give you children.
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I can try and work towards it.
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Yeah.
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I probably enjoy doing it, but I can't, I can't do it.
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Only God can open your wound, you know?
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And then I think the question was, what would we do if our wife came to us?
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With that.
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With servants or with.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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That's right.
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That's not what you were asking.
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That's not what you're asking.
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Okay.
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Are you sure?
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Are you sure?
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Yeah.
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Because I want to know what Sam would say about it.
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[Laughter]
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No, but if I went under the bus.
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Yeah, if my wife came to me and she was unbearable and blamed me for it,
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I mean, like, yeah, we'd probably go get medical testing.
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And if it wasn't my fault, I'd probably take ownership.
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So.
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This is some dangerous waters that we're in right now.
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Well, I mean, the thing that we have is, again,
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when you look at the narrative of scripture, this is all super messy and it's full of idiots.
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And I just refuse to be part of the crowd that believes that I would do it differently.
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Right.
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So everyone always assumes, like, if you go back to slave holding times,
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that we would have been the ones, you know, coordinating the underground railroad and like,
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doing all these different things, or that we would have been with Wilberforce,
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trying to like, in the Atlantic slave trader, you know, we would have been the young men that
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were pushing back against the Third Reich and, you know, against, you know, the Nazi party and
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all those different things. It's like, man, I am not so naive as to believe that if there was evil
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going on back in the day that I would not have like sold myself on it or that there's, you know,
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again, Peter, like Peter is just a knucklehead. But every time I see Peter say something before he
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thinks I'm like, yeah, yeah, me. That's me. Thank you. That's so I'm glad it's like Jesus decided to
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build his church on you on the rock and you're a moron. Right. And also you denied him multiple
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times publicly. Like, this is a big deal. But I mean, these people in scripture, they're just
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jacked up people, which should make all of us feel better. You know what I mean?
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And I think we have a chance. Yeah.
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When we read something like this, this is subscription, not pre-scription. Yeah.
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You know, this is. Yeah, description, not pre-scription. Yeah.
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Description, not pre-scription. You know, he's we're describing something that's really like
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Jerry Springer is here. You know, like, yeah, this is straight from the trailer park.
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Is it Jacob's fault that he got, he got tricked in with layup? I mean, probably share some blame
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in that. And the fact of what he's done in his past. But like, he has two wives now. He could have
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said, no, I'm not going to lay with your, with your handmaidens. But I mean, I don't know,
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you know, I don't know what's going on in his head. And I'm not going to pretend to know what's
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going on in his head. I don't even know where I would be. You know, like, if my wife was like,
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Hey, I want you to lay with my handmaidens. I mean, like, I don't know. I would, I would,
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I would hope to be like, no, and not, and not abdicate my responsibility. But you also see that this
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guy has two wives now. He's, he's not even doing what God has ordained marriage to do. So, you know,
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who knows what type of stuff's going down here? But what I love about the beauty of God and his
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patience and his grace is he uses it. He uses it to keep his covenant. You know, he takes our messiness
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and brings his good out of it. That's right. And that's what we see to this.
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Well, and you, and you see God listening to both women. Yeah, he's thinking about both.
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He remembered Rachel. Yes, it's, it's
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my, he's there for us regardless of what we're doing. Right. Yeah, that's right. Well, Sam,
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let's go ahead and keep the, keep this role in Genesis 30. We're going to do verse 25 and just go
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through the end of this chapter. So that's a verse 43. 25 to 43. Yes, sir. You got it.
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As soon as Rachel had born, Joseph, Jacob said to let Laban send me a way that I may go to my own
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home and country, give me my wives and my children for whom I have served you, that I may go for you
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know the service that I have given you. But Laban said to him, if I had found favor in your sight,
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I have learned by divination that the Lord has blessed me because of you. Name your wages and
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I will give it. Jacob said to him, you yourself know how I have served you and how your livestock
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has fared with me. For you had little before I came and it has increased abundantly and the
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Lord has blessed you wherever I turned. But now when shall I provide for my own household also,
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he said, what shall I give you? Jacob said, you shall not give me anything. If you will do this for me,
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I will again pastor your flock and keep it. Let me pass through all your flock today,
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removing from it every speckled and spotted sheep and every black lamb and the spotted and speckled
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among the goats and they shall be my wages. So my honesty will answer for me later when you come
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to look into my wages with you. Everyone that has not speckled and spotted among the goats and the
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black among the lambs, if found with me shall be counted stolen. Laban said, good. Let it be as
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you have said. But that day, Laban removed the male goats that were striped and spotted and all
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the female goats that were speckled and spotted. Everyone that had white on it and every lamb that
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was black and put them in the charge of his sons. And he set a distance of a three days journey
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between himself and Jacob and Jacob pastored the rest of Laban's flock. Then Jacob took fresh
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sticks of popular and almond and plain trees and peeled white streaks and then exposing the white
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of the sticks. He set the sticks that he had peeled in front of the flocks in the troughs.
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That is the watering places where the flocks came to drink. And since they bred when they
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came to drink the flocks bred in front of the sticks. And so the flocks brought forth striped
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and speckled and spotted and Jacob separated the lambs and set the faces of the flock toward the
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striped and all the black and the flock of Laban. He put his own droves apart and did not put them
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with Laban's flock. Whenever the stronger the flock were breeding Jacob would lay the sticks
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in the troughs before the eyes of the flock that they might breed among the sticks.
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But for the feebler of the flock you would not lay them there. So the feebler would be Laban's
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and the stronger Jacobs. Thus the man increased greatly and had large flocks female servants
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and male servants and camels and donkeys. All right. I'm gonna turn it right over y'all.
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I don't have a whole lot of air about speckled and striped boots. So I mean I saw some stuff
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in commentaries. Nothing was that interesting to me to write down? Not to say there's none
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important, but I'd be very curious if there's something that makes it.
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Yeah, there's a look at the prosperity that God puts before Jacob that even Laban who's
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basically not a true believer in God sees God's glory. He's like, man, I am truly blessed because
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of your God through you. And then we see that Laban still tries to screw with his nephew,
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man. The dude's sheisty. Yeah, I'm like, man, I wonder what his mom was really like or his sister
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because Jacob's mom was like, do you think back about those other things? Yes. But what's funny
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is I read this the old wives tale. So Laban takes all the spotted in black sheep and everything like
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that. So he can basically come out on top on this deal. So Jacob goes and takes those sticks of
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plain and poplar and puts them before the lambs to mate. So basically it was like an old wives tale
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that if you put this before the lambs that they would make, the offspring would come out spotted
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or striped or something like that if they looked upon it. And so God even took that old wives.
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Imagine the birth of these lambs. He's like, dude, it's totally worked, man, the poplar and
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everything. God's just sitting there laughing. He's like, no, it's only working because I bled you.
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I've got control. And I have control. And I have given you a covenant that I will make you prosper.
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And I know what Laban's doing, you know, and Laban, you know, we'll see in other chapters that,
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you know, he's going to be like, whoa, what the heck, you know, I'm being robbed here.
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Like, and like at this time they don't have spray paint. So it's not like most of the
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group over there. Three days journey came back. Like what? What? And it's not like they spray painted
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these things, you know, black, you know, with spots. And so I don't know, it's just like again,
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Laban is being, you know, Chisty and then Jacob's doing the same thing, you know, and they're all
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trying to get out. Yeah, there are two crooks and God just taking what they do again and making it
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good. And because, you know, he's provided a nation under Jacob and he knows what that this
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is going to become a nation. And so, and Jacob's going to have to take off. And at some point,
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Jacob's going to take off and head back to his homeland. Who's at his homeland? His brother Esau,
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and which we'll get to in other chapters. And so, you know, if he shows up with nothing and
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everything like that, you could be laughed at, you know, he doesn't know what's going to happen.
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So I just think it's funny that God still prospers Jacob through this. Laban,
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Laban's looked to be a crook. And then using an old wives tale, they think they come out on top
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and God is in control. I was interested when I looked, I have found favor in your sight. I have
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learned by divination. And so I just did a little search and it was almost like, oh, kind of like
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fortune telling. So I'm like, huh, that's kind of interesting. He, whether it's spirits or whatever
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that he would see like, Oh, he, no, truly he is being blessed by the Lord. So, yeah, that happens
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a couple of times in the Old Testament. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's, yeah, this one is talking
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about numbers five, Leviticus 16, eight, and then in Genesis 44, it's kind of a similar thing about
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some comparisons and references to divination, which I also wonder if he's just being a knucklehead,
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like anybody can tell. I don't need it. I do divination. I can throw the stones. I know what it's
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gonna say. That's true. That's true. Every year. Yeah. I mean, because that's, that's the one thing
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that we see here, the Reformation study Bible had a really poignant but short point says God
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doesn't abundantly more than Jacob asked. Yeah. And Jacob was conniving and scheming and trying to
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do all these different things. And God's like, okay, you moron here. I'm still gonna bless you.
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Like, the Hittite King, Laban, they all, they all notice it. There's something about him. And it's
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crazy that he doesn't seem to notice it. Mm-hmm. Still gonna cheat and plan and their, their whole
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family. Still try to get his own way. Happens over and over. And, and I know we do the same thing, but
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it just shows the holiness of God. Yes. That he still sticks to his covenant. No matter what,
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like no matter what creepy, sheisty thing you can do, he still sticks to it. He like, I mean,
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you can go and do the worst thing over here. And there might be a consequence to it as we see
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that there's consequences with Jacob, but he still sticks to his covenant. He still blesses. And like,
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that's what, you know, like we're, we're going over Exodus and you see like all the doubt
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that the Israelites have, like God has taken them out of Egypt. You know, they're free. You know,
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he's taking them to the Promised Land. They're still doubt. There's so much doubt that they create
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another God and worship it. You know, and then you go back and you look at, you know, the time of,
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of Elisha and everybody and then they're doubting God and they're going to ball or bail. I don't
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even know if I pronounced the right. Sorry, Jobe. Bail. And, and, you know, and then they come under
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exile. Like I talked about a couple weeks back, you know, God is still in his covenant. And that's
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where something I was reading just recently, like, I don't even know if Mark brought this up or if
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I just read it somewhere, but it's just like, that's Mark Hitchcock. Yeah. But like, who are we to
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even think that, you know, God can't bring the Jewish people back into who he is. You know what
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I'm saying? Yeah. Bring them back to him. Yeah. And bring them back to him. Like, who are we to
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think like, Hey, this is never going to happen. His chosen people are not really his chosen. Like,
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we have, we don't even know what's going to happen when Christ comes back and what he's going to pull
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towards him. And so all we have to do is sit down and pray. And we got to pray for the salvation of
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everyone, you know, whether they're Jew, Gentile, Muslim, or Buddhist, however we want, we want to
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pray that God opens their eyes to the beauty of what the gospel is. And he can use, he can use bad
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things that we see here and make them into good because he holds a covenant with his chosen people.
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Absolutely. Well, guys, let's get into Genesis 31. Here's what we're going to do with Genesis 31.
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We're going to trade off paragraphs. Okay. So we're going to go and we're going to go clockwise.
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So how are you're going to start? You read a paragraph and Sam, you'll read the next one.
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Ryan, you'll read the next one. Then I'll read and then we'll just kind of go all the way through.
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We're going to read all against the 31. We're about to find out if I can read out loud.
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I can read for you. Man, I hope I get some of the worst names possible. I'm just going to
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confidently and quickly say I hear you say sorry. Sorry, Joby. Sorry. It's happened a lot. Let's
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just be honest. All right. Well, here we go. Verse one, lay us off. Now, Jacob heard that the
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sons of Laban were saying, Jacob has taken all that was our fathers and from what was our fathers,
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he has gained all this wealth. And Jacob saw that Laban did not regard him with favor as before.
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Then the Lord said to Jacob, return to the land of your father and to your kindred. And I will be
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with you. So Jacob sent and called Rachel and Leah into the field where his flock was and said to
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them, I see that your father does not regard me with favor as he did before. But the God of my
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father has been with me. You know that I have served your father with all my strength, yet your
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father has cheated me and changed my wages 10 times. But God did not permit him to harm me.
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If he said the spotted shall be your wages, then all the flock boar spotted. And if he said the
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stripe shall be your wages, then all the flock were striped. Thus God has taken away the livestock
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of your father and given them to me. In the breeding season of the flock, I lifted up my eyes and saw
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on a dream that the goats that made made it with the flock were striped, spotted and molded.
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Then the angel of God said to me in a dream, Jacob. And I said, here I am. And he said, lift up your
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eyes and see all the goats that made with the flock are striped, spotted and modeled. For I have
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seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel where you were knowing it a pillar
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and made a vow to me now arise. Go from this land and return to the land of your kindred.
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Then Rachel and Leah answered and said to him, is there any portion or inheritance left to us in
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our father's house? Are we not regarded by him as foreigners? For he has sold us and he has indeed
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devoured our money. All the wealth that God has taken away from our fathers belongs to us and
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to our children. Now then, whatever God has said to you, do. So Jacob arose and set his sons and
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his wives on camels. He drove away all his livestock, all his property that he had gained. And the
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livestock and his possessions that he had acquired in Paden Maram. To go to the land of Canaan to
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his father Isaac, Laban had gone to share a sheep and Rachel stole her father's household gods.
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And Jacob tricked Laban, the Armin, the Armin by not telling him that he intended to flee.
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He fled with all that he had in a rose and cross the Euphrates and set his face toward the hill
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country of Gilead. When it was told Laban on the third day that Jacob had fled, he took his kinsmen
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with him and pursued him for seven days and followed close after him into the hill country of Gilead.
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But God came to Laban the Aramean in a dream by night and said to him, be careful not to say
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anything to Jacob, either good or bad. And Laban overtook Jacob. Now Jacob had pitched his tents
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in the hill country and Laban with his kinsmen pitched tents in the hill country of Gilead.
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And Laban said to Jacob, what have you done that you have tricked me and driven away my
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daughters like captives of the sword? Why did you flee secretly and trick me and did not tell me?
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So that I might have sent you away with myrrh and songs, with tambourines and lyre.
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And why did you not permit me to kiss my sons and my daughters farewell?
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Now you have done foolishly. It is in my power to to to do you harm, but the Lord of your God,
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your father's book to me last night saying, be careful not to say anything to Jacob,
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either good or bad. And now you have gone away because you have longed greatly for your father's
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house. But why did you steal my gods? Jacob answered and said to Laban because I was afraid for I
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thought that you would take your daughters from me by force. Anyone with whom you find your gods
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shall not live. In the presence of your kinsmen point out what I have that is yours and take it.
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Now Jacob did not know that Rachel had stolen them. So Laban went into Jacob's tent and into
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Leah's tent and into the tent of the two female servants, but he did not find them. And when he
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went out of Leah's tent and entered Rachel's, now Rachel had taken the household gods and put them
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in the camel's saddle and sat on them. Laban felt all about the tent, but not find them.
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And she said to her father, let not my Lord be angry that I cannot rise before you,
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for the way the woman is upon me. So he searched, but did not find the household gods.
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Then Jacob became bad. Ooh, that was close. I was in the zone, Ryan.
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Then Jacob became angry. I wasn't going to stop.
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Then Jacob became angry and berated to Laban. Jacob said to Laban, what is my offense? What
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is my sin that you have hotly pursued me? For you have felt through all my goods, what have you
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found of all household goods? Set it here before my kinsmen and your kinsmen that they may be
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side between us too. These twenty years I have been with you. Your ewes and your female goats
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have not miscarried, and I have not eaten the rams of your flocks. What was torn by wild beasts
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I did not bring to you. I bore the loss for it myself. From my hand you required it, whether stolen
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by day or stolen by night. There I was by day, the heat consumed the cold of night, and my sleep
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fled from my eyes. These twenty years I have been in your house. I have served you fourteen
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years for your two daughters and six years for your flock, and you have changed my wages ten times.
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If the God of my father, the God of Abraham, and the fear of Isaac had not been on my side,
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surely now you would have sent me away empty handed. God saw my affliction and the labor of my hands
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and rebuked you last night. Then Laban answered and said to Jacob, "The daughters are my daughters,
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the children are my children, the flocks are my flocks, and all that you see is mine. But what
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can I do this day for these my daughters, or for their children whom they have born? Come now,
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let us make a covenant, you and I, and let it be a witness between you and me. So Jacob took a stone
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and set it up on a pillar. And Jacob said to his kinsmen, gather stones, and they took stones and
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made a heap, and they ate there by the heap. Laban called it Jigar Sahadutha, and Jacob called it
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Galede. The Laban said, "The heap is a witness between you and me today. Therefore he named it
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Galede, and Misspa, for he said the Lord, Dad, come on. I got through Jager Sahadutha,
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and I just fell to pieces afterwards. Come on, all right, all right, all right. We therefore
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he named it Galede and Misspa, for he said, Lord, watch between you and me when we are out of one
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another sight. If you oppress my daughters, or if you take wives besides my daughters,
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although no one is with us, see God is witness between you and me."
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Then Laban said to Jacob, "See this heap and the pillar which I have set between you and me.
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This heap is a witness, and the pillar is a witness that I will not pass over this heap to you,
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and you will not pass over this heap and this pillar to do harm the God of Abraham and the
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God of Nabor and the God of their fathers, judged between us. So Jacob swore by the fear of his
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father, by the fear of his father Isaac, and Jacob offered a sacrifice in the hill country
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and called his kinsmen to eat bread. They ate bread and spent the night in the hill country."
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You know what? I'm actually going to blame Sam for ruining my mojo because right after I
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got there saying, "Jigar saw Hadutha," Sam goes, "Yeah, like you did it. You did it."
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And so I felt like the race was over, right? So I was sprinting through the false finish line.
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I've been there because I don't pronounce it very well.
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Did I just get blamed?
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Yeah, I just get blamed.
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Yeah, I don't pronounce it very well, and I wanted to high-five you, but I don't want to take you off track.
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Sam, so yeah, man, Sam got to wait to the race, got to wait to the race.
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I couldn't even get fecal, man. Yes, we're back there. We're back there. That was like a month ago.
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I was still sounding it out.
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Yeah, that's all right. You know, just say it quickly and with confidence and everybody will
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just pretend like it's true. So Genesis 31, that's a long day.
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We still got a little bar early in the morning, waving a rose and kissed his grandchildren and
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his daughters and blessed them. Then they've been departed and returned.
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Obviously, that's very important. Sorry to skip the 51st verse there almost.
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And I'm just so glad that we're going to be ending this batch before Sam gets the chance
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to get into Genesis 32 where Jacob wrestles with God. It would have made perfect sense
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for the wrestler, the Olympian to be here for the wrestling week, but you're not on for the
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next batch, Sam. Sorry about you. One I would have been prepared for. Yeah, of the entire
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Bible, this is the one that you deserve. There's a chance I could get sick, so just for one hour.
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I'm like, hey, I got Larry and Jack. I got Larry and Jack is for an hour. I'll jump.
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Are you on the next batch? I'm on the next batch. It's like two weeks.
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Oh, yeah. There's, you know, hold I hope it could actually work out. It could happen.
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Could be God's Genesis 31. Let's get into some thoughts and some things we learned from Genesis
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31. Yeah, there's so much there. There's so much. There's so much. Well, Jacob finally
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realizes he's being cheated all the time, so he gets a taste of his own medicine.
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I don't know. This is where he's going to take off. He's his own man now.
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Does he need his father-in-law's permission to take off?
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So that's what I was like. I read several different commentators.
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Should he have done that? Should he have went to him? I mean, he already had the promise from God.
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If he would have sat down with Laban and said, "My Lord came to me and said, 'Hey,
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you're right and you're justified in what you're doing.'" And I've got the promises of him.
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If he would have sat down face-to-face and had that, you know, heart-to-heart conversation,
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how would it have come out? Yeah, well, God told him to leave it. Yeah, leave it up to God, right?
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I imagine it would have went well. I mean, God talked to Laban too. Yeah.
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So he had planned it. God would have probably talked to Laban.
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But, you know, they're knuckleheads, like us. I do think they're awfully powerful men,
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and he says like, "You only held back because of my father, Isaac." Like, he's a powerful guy too,
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and he's got all his people. You didn't want to start a war between families,
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and so you didn't mess with me more than 20 years worth of messing with me.
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It's kind of crazy. Yeah. Don't get mad at me about this, but I've been in your position.
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Oh, all right. Turn it towards him. There you go. Talk into the mic. You're talking to the worst
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microphone guy ever. It took me about six months to get Ryan fully trained. He'd call me when I'd
41:48
be on, like, business trip, driving back somewhere. You've got moments to talk, and I'd have to listen
41:51
for about 30 minutes about how bad I am with the mic. No. It was like 30 seconds. It was like,
41:56
"Hey, next time you come in there." Just, you know, right into the end of it. You know how every
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time I say it's the same thing? It's a directional mic. Are you idiot? No, because Sam didn't do this, but Ryan,
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the new podcast came out today. What's that? Yeah, you weren't talking into the mic.
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Yeah. Because Ryan was kind of trail off, and he'd be over here kind of talking, and I'm like,
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"Yeah." And I'd like push him back into in front of it. It's like, "You have headphones,
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but you've been great. You've been great for a year and a half. You had a crush. I just knew
42:21
you were a nurse. I wanted to help you out, because you were trailing on. It was funny as I was literally
42:25
about to reach over there. That's how much he's trained me. We're on the same wavelength now,
42:30
right? It's because we both are. We have competing essences now, but now they're kind of molding
42:35
together. Viking and cool water can join in this moment. They're cool viking. You guys rock the mic.
42:41
Cool viking water. Cool viking water. You know what? We should release a scent. The official
42:46
scent of the forging table. Cool viking water. Cool viking water. How many lawsuits can we get
42:51
in one product? Cool viking. We literally just pour them together. Does that work?
42:56
I don't know. In the world of perfumery. You can have dinner made. You can buy them.
43:00
No, I've thought about it. Maybe that's what we should do. I am sad. I know that.
43:06
Yeah. I mean, the only thing I mix is like whiskeys. I have like an infinity bottle that I pour the
43:11
rest of them in. It's got like a, it's got a Pappy Van Winkle sticker. Like, you know how the Pappy
43:16
Van Winkle is when he's with the cigar. Yeah. But it's got Dave Chappelle's character, Tyrone
43:22
Bigham's with White Lestan. It's like poor man's pappy. It's like my universe. It's like my
43:29
universe. It's like my universe. Wings. Yeah. So I mixed that, but I've never made my own scent.
43:34
And you know what? I honestly think I'd screw it up. Yeah. So, you know, I won't ever try.
43:39
Let's say I'm, let's go back to this whole thing that you know that do they sell like kits?
43:43
They sell kits. Yeah. But it'll have like the 12 main walnut and whatever.
43:49
Bergamot. Yeah. And then you mix and match.
43:51
Dude, it gives you a ride. Sounds like a good gift. Yeah. I almost bought it for.
43:58
I feel like the next time that this is the group for the forging table,
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that's what we do for the first little bit. We just break it out right here.
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And we see if we can make the official. He's got the best essence.
44:09
And then we have to have a lady Thompson come up and smells. Lady Thompson could come up and judge.
44:15
Yeah. We get a blindfold. Right. So do you think it's ready right then or does it got to sit?
44:21
Marinate in its essence. How long does it take oils to mix?
44:25
Well, if we decide to do it and it takes a while, I say we do it before we tape and then we have it
44:31
out and then we write down what we did with it. You cheat. You cheat. You've been reading these
44:35
guys. Like, you'll bring in the spot. Dude, I'm going to break in. It's like me like Frankincense
44:43
and Mer and I want to put it in there a little gold flakes. I'm like, try to get that. Try that.
44:47
He's the type of guy. How did you get gold flakes? He'll take he'll take a dessert over to a party
44:51
and be like, yeah, I made I made like, totally bought it at a bakery. I took it out. Seriously,
44:55
it's on the Tupperware. I'm the guy that does that. That's what possibly happened. Dude, I cook
45:01
everything. Yeah, including Howard's briskets. I've got to talk about that again. I've got a
45:06
new one. No, see, okay, this came up a few months ago by Howard. You actually will buy
45:11
briskets and ribs and take them to Ryan's house and have him smoking for you.
45:15
We're going to focus. Genius. Why can't you smoke them? Because he's really good at it.
45:19
Well, he can teach you. The question isn't why I don't. Ryan and I have used our collective
45:24
powers to try to teach his act. Todd, well, like one of the smartest people that we know
45:27
that business can't cook a brisket to like save his life. And the thing is, it's the same
45:31
mistake every single time because he will start cooking his brisket at like two in the afternoon,
45:35
and he's trying to get it done for dinner. And so, you know, it'll be six o'clock and the brisket's
45:40
at like 150 degrees and he'll just crank up the smoker like 500 and just get it to finish.
45:45
He's like, yeah, it doesn't ever turn out right. And I'm like, well, you start 12 hours too late,
45:51
right? That's brisket I ever made though. You give me a primal beef brisket. Yes, shout out
45:56
to primal beef. Man, I made that one time. I think that was the best brisket I ever made.
46:00
Yeah, I mean, the prime will be brisket like because again, I don't really know like there
46:04
are people that get into all the like science on doing their brisket and different things. Oh,
46:07
I'm going to I'm going to use wax paper and I'm going because some people go by, you know,
46:10
you got to get six hours of smoking at the beginning. Other people go smoke until you get to X temperature.
46:14
I do have some paper wrap and I do paper wrap. Yeah, so you do you do butch paper? I do butch paper.
46:19
Yeah, so I do foil, which I've heard there's bad things about foil all of a sudden.
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And for that long and that's I do the butcher paper just because I leave more moisture.
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Yeah, around the paper. But then I also learned to like put it in a towel and then stick it in
46:35
the oven at like, I don't know, like 170 degrees and let it rest in there for an hour or two.
46:41
Yeah, I put mine in a cooler. And so it kind of does the same thing. I put it in a cooler.
46:45
I did the cooler, but the cooler when it shut, it cooked it even more. So when I pull it at like
46:50
203, I want it to kind of come down, but I don't want it to keep cooking because I have like
46:54
overcooked. And that holds that temperature. Yeah, because it holds that temperature. They're
46:58
really hot. And if you put it in a towel and you put it in the oven at like 170, it's still resting,
47:02
but the temperature is not going to work. So what I do is before I put it before I wrap it in the
47:07
towel and put it in the cooler, I will open the foil and let all the steam out. You let the
47:11
steam out. So I let it kind of cool a little bit. So whenever I stop seeing a bunch of steam come
47:14
through, then I wrap it in the towel and put it in the. So Sam, I think on the next next podcast,
47:19
when all four of us are here, we'll get the perfume. But then I think we need to have a cook-off
47:23
between the two who's got better, really good at tasting. Hey, I am the one that convinced our
47:30
class right through my incredible amounts of misogyny. I convince our the women in our class
47:36
to do a cinnamon roll bake off. And by the time you guys hear this, there will have been a cinnamon
47:40
roll bake off in our school. You know what the funny thing about it is they know Kyle asked for
47:45
it. Boom. And they're going to spit in everyone because I know he's going to eat it. I'm completely
47:50
okay with that. Spit my simmer. You could fart on top, but I don't care, cinnamon rolls are amazing.
47:54
Think about it. No, I'm okay with it. It's staying. I know it's impossible to ruin a cinnamon roll.
48:05
And the women in our school is Lady Wickersham participating in the cinnamon roll cook-off.
48:10
She probably will make you some cinnamon rolls, but I don't know if she's going to.
48:13
She's been I've kind of put the hints out in the feelers out there before. And she was basically
48:17
like, no, not unless it's like your birthday or something special or like death bed, final meal.
48:21
You have to get cinnamon rolls from my wife. You either have to have a kid. It's your, it's
48:25
our one of our kids' birthday or whatever. So yeah, she actually did bring him over for a
48:29
little squish baby Eli, I believe is how it went through. But hey, I just brought thought of something.
48:33
I know I'm kind of like ruining here at the end because I did this with Joby before on one of
48:38
the Aska pastors. But I'm always curious about this because it gives me some insight into different
48:42
people. So I'm kind of morbid. And I do think about like, Oh, what if I was on death row for
48:46
something and I'm about to eat my final meal? What Ryan, you're not like feeling this thing.
48:49
Have you had to do this before? No, I just figured it was the baby hiller thing coming up.
48:53
Screw that baby. I'm bouncing that baby down the stairs. People that don't get that joke are like,
49:00
what just happened? So this is what I want to know. This is a scenario. You are on death row.
49:06
This is your final meal. Okay. And from appetizers all the way through dessert,
49:11
including drinks, you can have whatever you want. Okay. There's no dollar amount. There's no dollar
49:17
amount there. There's a private investor that is trying to make sure that your last meal again,
49:22
from beginning to end, from appetizers through dessert, including your drinks. I want to know
49:27
exactly what you would want. Now, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Now, because again,
49:31
this is a parallel universe thing. This isn't being made in one kitchen. So this could be like,
49:36
you know, your favorite restaurant like Charleston's croissants, right? Boom, that's your appetizer.
49:41
Okay. And then like the dessert can be, you know, your grandma was, I think Joby's was like his
49:45
grandmother's chocolate pie, like that type of thing. From beginning to end, this is your last
49:50
meal on earth, fellas. Sam, I want you to go first for whatever reason. I feel like you're
49:54
going to have a definitive answer. But again, you get appetizers. You can have, you know,
49:59
like a little pre meal soup, you can have your normal, your actual dish, you get the dessert.
50:04
What do you, what are you drinking, right? Those types of things hit me with it.
50:08
Well, my first thought was like water, but cutting weight, like when things got tough,
50:13
like water is the one thing I wanted. And you're like life and death on the water.
50:18
You were like, like, that went straight to like, you brought me back, bro.
50:23
You've got some PTSD from wakeups, bro. Yes. My wife will get mad at me now. And then she's like,
50:27
why are all these water bottles in your car? I'm like, listen, you make promises. You never know.
50:32
You never know. Cut that hard. Never not near water.
50:35
Yeah, that was my first thought, but probably a good steak.
50:39
No, we got specific. What cut a steak? What are some want like a rare plus?
50:45
Man, last meal, tea bone would probably be a tea bone. Let's go.
50:52
And I would a lot of ice cream. I'm an ice cream. A lot of ice cream. What kind of ice cream?
50:57
All just all the ice cream, anything chocolate, peanut butter, all of them, I would do a bunch.
51:03
Probably a lot of sweets and a lot of water. Okay, lots. The water is so funny.
51:09
Maybe most wrestlers right now talking about it. I got thirsty.
51:13
Yep, that would that would be. Yeah, we got extra waters. I've been chugging it.
51:19
Okay. Yeah, if I had something else, I can't remember it now.
51:24
Okay, you can sneak back in because we're going to like he's making a list
51:27
over here. So Ryan's is going to be fairly zesty, I'm assuming.
51:30
So can you choose the cake with the file? Bro, you can you can do anything.
51:34
He doesn't even have to exist. Yeah, you can do whatever.
51:37
Oh, he's on how I'm going down. Yeah, so you're like screw the state.
51:40
I don't want them killed me. I'm going to kill myself.
51:41
Howard, from beginning to end, give us your meal. Oh, for breakfast, we're going to start
51:45
with my wife's maple pecan scones. There you go.
51:48
Okay, fresh out of the oven, buttery, flaky.
51:50
I could have plugged my wife. Yeah, we lost my chance.
51:54
Yeah, you did. Yeah, so that's that's going to start out with that.
51:57
And then we're going to have biscuits and gravy.
51:59
There you go. With some amazing biscuits she makes.
52:01
So that's that's going to start. And then we're going to have a lot of eggs and bacon,
52:05
a lot of eggs and bacon. So then we're going to move into the lunch.
52:07
And we're going to have. So you're having a full day here.
52:10
I was saying last meal, you're getting a full day.
52:12
No, no, no, no, I'm getting a full day.
52:12
Okay, hard to create your own rules.
52:14
Let's go. Then we're going to have a Ruben sandwich for lunch from Shapiro's
52:17
deli in downtown Indianapolis. So that's going to happen.
52:20
We're talking about then we're going to dinner at Mahogany downtown.
52:25
There you go. We're going to have a full day at the biggest play you could have.
52:29
Gosh, and then I forgot the one. I think that's big ones there.
52:33
Yeah, I'm going to then I'm going to top it off with my mom's ancient lattice.
52:36
There you go. Okay, and then we're going to have homemade cobbler.
52:41
Yes. What what kind? Homemade cherry cobbler and tons of.
52:46
Is it all modes you get any ice cream on that?
52:48
Yeah, it's vanilla on there. And we're going to top it off with a nice, nice,
52:53
nice scotch. Well, you got to give us which one.
52:56
Getting money is no option. I'm not going to pick it.
53:00
I'm going to trust my my wingman there to make it for me.
53:04
He's not. I told him what he knows about Scott.
53:06
Yeah, I'm going to pick it when I was in Florida and I had all my options.
53:10
Who did I text? You text both of you.
53:12
What did we both say back? Can we both say the same one back?
53:16
What did we say? It was the Stag Jr, which was absolutely amazing.
53:20
It was Stag Jr. What was the other one? Midwinners?
53:22
Yeah, I don't think it was Midwinners. I can't remember what it was.
53:25
Yeah, but yeah, I went with the Stag Jr and I trusted my wingman.
53:28
Good choice. Good choice.
53:29
What was the one you told me in a reserve?
53:32
You were you were at some place at Barry Switzer, Barry Switzer was there or whatever.
53:37
And like you just so the number of times people have sent a picture of whiskey on the wall or
53:41
at a bar or something like that. And they're like, what should I get all the time?
53:43
I literally just take a screenshot and start circling the ones and I may even put them in order.
53:47
Like how many can have three? Okay, one, two, three. Do it like that.
53:51
Ryan, I've tried to buy as much time for you as possible because you're still working over here.
53:54
Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Final meal.
53:56
So my final meal is going to start off in the appetizer.
53:59
The drink is going to be a mezcal tequila smash with ahi tuna poke.
54:04
And shishimi yellowtail with a little bit of sriracha and a little with a little bit of
54:11
sauce on there. Okay. And then we're going to move on to a mikner's rye.
54:14
Oh, man, I'm trying to remember. It's a 10 year old rye. It's a 10 year old rye.
54:20
I think you did you have some at my house? I had some of this. You had it.
54:24
We opened it for my birthday. So there's a regular mikner's rye.
54:27
Yeah, no, this is a mikner's. Oh, man, I'm going to look it up real quick.
54:32
It's worth it. Let's go. Yeah. I forget.
54:36
There's a 10 year old rye. They have a 10 year old burger, which is fantastic.
54:40
The toasted rye? Toasted rye. Okay, bender's toasted rye.
54:43
Got it. With a a five wagyu ribeye. Oh, wagyu. Yeah, you got to have wagyu.
54:49
And then if you're doing wagyu, a five, you got to go medium on it. You can't go medium rare.
54:55
If I didn't do the wagyu, I would do like, I got a bone in ribeye. And I would probably go medium
55:00
rare if I was doing the filet. I do Pittsburgh rare. Yeah. Yeah. I was doing a bone in filet.
55:04
But with sweet carrots and scalloped potatoes. And then for dessert, I would do sticky toffee
55:11
pudding from Gordon Ramsay, just love that stuff. Okay, so good. And then I would follow that up
55:17
with a scotch. And honestly, I'll probably go with a lago voulin 25 year or no, the lago voulin 30
55:23
year that Dwayne gave us at that tasting, he gave us lago voulin 30, he gave us a lago voulin 30
55:34
I remember that dude. That was the first aisle in his in his in his vault vault. Yeah. And like,
55:40
I tasted that for two days. Yeah. No, it was it was LaFroic.
55:44
Refer. Oh, yeah, it was LaFroic, not lago voulin. LaFroic 30 year. That's what it was. Yeah.
55:50
Well, I would do that. I'll be honest, I got lost in all the holes that I forgot to even think
55:54
about mine. But hey, y'all wanted to go back because you forgot a couple of things. So give
55:57
your wife a shout out, like for whatever thing that you would want from Rachel. Her french toast
56:02
and her and chaladders are both. She has meatloaf called not your mother's meatloaf. Okay. And
56:08
it's well named Ma's meatloaf. And I was like, no, like that was like a piece of meat in a low form.
56:14
And I hated it growing up. There's like, oh, it's called not your mom's meatloaf. Okay. Very good.
56:19
Yeah. Yeah. I needed to have my appetizer of shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's in downtown Indianapolis.
56:26
Okay. St. Elmo's fire. Mm hmm. Light you up. Light you up. Okay. If I had to pick something
56:32
from my wife, she makes her death sentence. She makes a strawberry pretzel salad. We make it like
56:39
every, oh, that's a holiday. It's so good. Okay. So good. All right. What do you got? I'm on death row.
56:45
We're starting out with my appetizer. Sally. Yeah. Caesar salad, wedge salad, you know,
56:52
croutons. Absolutely not. It's gonna sound weird. But again, because we're in fancy land now,
56:58
the bread from outback steakhouse back from the to the early 2000s when it was good. That was my
57:05
first job back in the day. So they had the bread there and we would make it with all that. So that
57:09
that would be my appetizer. But I would also do some smoked chips and queso. So like Teresa,
57:16
queso with like the good chips, the chips that they literally just put these fat tortillas out
57:21
there and cut them up and fry them up, not these like wispy little things that break off and get
57:24
busted up in there. So we got to have chips and queso. Now the entree is going to be the biggest
57:30
elk steak possible. Okay. And so whatever the cut is, so we'll do backstrap or maybe a whole elk
57:35
tenderloin or something like that. So we'll go medium rare in there, but we got to have a nice
57:40
buttery char on the outside that I need to be crispy on the outside, but medium rare in the middle.
57:46
And if you're going to miss miss rare, don't miss medium. So there we go. Now as sides for that,
57:51
I don't think it really matters. And again, this is my last meal side, probably take like 12
57:54
pieces of bacon from inner urban. So I don't know if that's a place from like all around,
57:58
but like here in Edmond, there's a place called, yeah, they've got like this this maple black
58:02
pepper bacon. Let's be the only good thing. Yeah. I probably take like, you know, you know,
58:06
first, bro, it's like, it's gross. It's so old Edmond, but okay. So we got the bacon.
58:14
You know, if somebody can make some really good mashed potatoes, right? And like, I'm like a
58:18
mashed potatoes and brown gravy kind of a person, but maybe have like a side chicken fried steak
58:23
for my for my tenderloin. And then I've got mashed potatoes and brown gravy, but we're going to go
58:27
ahead and move on to dessert here. Oh, but what I was going to say, man, if they don't kill you,
58:32
your cholesterol will. Yeah. It might, it might. And what I'm having with my meal, I'm having
58:38
Papi Van Winkle 20 year old, which is my favorite bourbon. Okay. So, you know, we're going to have,
58:42
we got the pepper on the bacon. Well, the seasoning that's going to be on the tenderloin is probably
58:46
going to have a little bit of pepper on it as well. So that Papi Van Winkle 20 year old is going to
58:50
help bring out a little bit of that pepper because it's got the redberries. That's part of the flavoring.
58:53
But now we're getting into dessert. I've got two separate desserts. The first dessert is better
58:57
than sex cake. And I've just had it different places where it's basically they make like chocolate
59:01
cake with they put like whipped, or it's like whipped cream on top. But then they put like broken
59:07
up heat bars or butter finger all that. And then they poke holes in and they pour like condensed milk
59:13
in there. And then, okay, so what do you get that at? I don't know if you get it somewhere. I think
59:17
you just make it. You just make it. Yeah. But then I'm having three desserts, by the way,
59:21
that's my first dessert, which goes into my second dessert, culprits in Bricktown in Oklahoma City.
59:27
Okay, the best dessert I've ever had at a restaurant, they've got peanut butter pie.
59:33
This is literally what happened when I went there. I was there with my wife. I take one bite
59:38
of this, this pie. And I literally look up at her and I say, this is the best dessert I've ever had
59:44
at a restaurant after a single bite. Better than sex by better. Well, yeah, they might as well
59:48
call that it's called like grandma's whatever whatever. No, it's better than sex pie. But then
59:52
the very last taste that will be on my lips in terms of dessert is my wife's banana pudding.
59:57
She makes the absolute best banana pudding. And I think most people that have had it can attest.
1:00:01
It's good. I hate pudding and I like it. Yeah. The final thing, the final thing that is on my lips
1:00:06
is going to be logable in 25 year old. Okay. So a logable in 25, only 8,000 bottles were made
1:00:11
is logable in 25 to age 25 years in a sherry cask. And that is what I got as a present from some
1:00:19
friends of mine when James was born. So James was like three days old. I'm a dad in some of my
1:00:25
whiskey and scotch buddies got together and they found me a bottle because again, there's only 8,000
1:00:30
that were made and there's only a few thousand left that are even known in existence. They're
1:00:33
expensive. They're hard to find. They all threw in together to get me, which that was like my
1:00:37
holy grail bottle. And I opened it immediately. And we all we all tried some right there.
1:00:42
And I actually redecanted the last half of the bottle into a 375 milliliter bottle.
1:00:48
And I, you know, resealed it with a synthetic work and all that. And that is going to be James's
1:00:52
present on his 25th birthday. And so it's like, Hey, when you were like three days old, your buddy
1:00:57
or your dad's buddy's thought enough about your dad to where they went in and went in and got him
1:01:02
an expensive bottle just just for him. And I busted it out, let a bunch of people try it. And then,
1:01:07
you know, with half of it left, you don't just want to like crush the rest of the bottle. So I was
1:01:10
like, Nope, I want you to be able to enjoy this too. So there's literally a label on there that says
1:01:14
two James from dad for your 25th birthday. It's got, you know, it's got the date on there and
1:01:18
everything else like that. So because you don't give a 21 year old kid, you know, 25 year old scotch.
1:01:22
So wait until he's 25 and his brain's got in there finished coming.
1:01:26
That's right. I didn't start drinking scotch. So I was in my 30s.
1:01:28
Yeah, it's it can be acquired taste for some. I mean, the first time I hit my lips,
1:01:32
I was a fan. I think my first scotch I had was Cardu. And then I had Glen Moringy
1:01:37
Campanta. And then I had logable and 16. And it was just boom, boom, boom. You know,
1:01:40
I first got to a singleton and it sucked. But then I had a buddy bring some open 14. Yeah.
1:01:45
And that's what got me hooked. It's solid. It's solid. Well, guys, we got way off because I just
1:01:50
wanted to know what I mean, because we're all in, we're all in for some sort of heinous crime.
1:01:55
Cause here we are on death row, talking about our last meals. But hopefully that was interesting
1:01:58
to you guys out there listening to this. If not, who cares. But guys, as we wrap up Genesis 30 and
1:02:02
31 final thoughts, Genesis 30 31. Anybody going once going twice? I really am sorry that you're
1:02:09
not going to be here for the wrestling thing. Thank you. Maybe, maybe what you could do.
1:02:13
How about you write us up a little paragraph or two and then to me read it. We'll read it. He'll
1:02:18
do his best. Sam. Hey, he's been going pressure. Hey, guys. Hey, Sam, he's legal.
1:02:22
No, he literally doesn't sound like this. I'm super excited to be here. No, this is what we're
1:02:29
going to do. This is what we're going to do. So Sam, you're going to write up a little something.
1:02:33
And in the meantime, I'm just going to flick your ears for like straight.
1:02:37
We don't even see our ears. We got to bust them. We're just going to do it.
1:02:42
I'm going to bust. There's my cauliflower right there. Sam's got really bad ones on his side.
1:02:47
Yeah, Sam, I like my ears. Sam's is pretty bad. Show it off for the cameras. Yeah, I don't see that.
1:02:52
Pretty busted up there. But you got to earn those. You know, you do that. Earn them.
1:02:55
Brian, don't you want some of that? Hell no. Why not? It's like a trophy you can carry.
1:03:00
Yeah. Yeah. Here's a trophy. I was like, yeah, it's trophy on your head. I don't like that.
1:03:04
That's the best trophy possible. How did you get that? My buddy flicked my ears for 45 minutes.
1:03:09
Bro, there are worse ways to get it. I can attest. I can test. But guys, appreciate you all being
1:03:15
here for this batch. But guys, come back here next week where we are going to be getting into
1:03:18
Genesis. Wait a minute. I think we're just getting into 32. I left my notes over there. But I think
1:03:24
we're just getting into Genesis 32. But guys, just in case read through 33 because I can't remember.
1:03:29
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