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"This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that
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forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word.
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We're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us.
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That's Winkler.
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That's Matt.
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That's Eric.
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Eric, what is that?
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Oh, that's Go Lightly.
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It's time.
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Is that like an anecdote or because that is, you know, for those of you that are just out
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there listening to this in podcast listener land, there is an enormous one gallon fancy
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looking thing that looks, this looks like something you should pour in your car.
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This is not a new sponsor.
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Yeah.
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Not a new sponsor.
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No, not a new sponsor show.
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You too.
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When you're 45 years old, you could have some Go Lightly in your van.
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Okay.
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So what does Go Lightly do?
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Well, it's kind of like colon blow.
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Are you familiar with colon?
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Colon cocaine?
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No, no.
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Maybe.
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That's not just, we're cleaning the pipes.
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Clean the pipes.
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I've got a colonoscopy tomorrow.
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And they told me to start it actually about an hour and a half ago, so I'm delaying it
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just a bit.
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And that is, that's going to, that's going to get you ready to go for tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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We're not even like sure that we're, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through this whole
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thing for I had it right.
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You have to get up.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, I mean, we'll say I want to bet on it because I don't, I don't think
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you will.
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You don't think I'll make it?
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You will not make it.
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For this entire taping?
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No, there's no way.
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No way.
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Okay.
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That would make you technically the third person to get up in the middle of this because
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Zach Todd was the first person he got up and went peepee in the middle of a recording.
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And then I made so much fun of them.
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And you know who was second me because I got him like I was really sick and I had gotten
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these IVs and like 10, 15 minutes into a podcast recording.
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I'm like, there's a zero percent chance that I'm not that I like, I got to get up and pee
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right now.
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I'm going to pee right here in the middle of it, but you're, you're, you're basically
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taking the action that there's no way he makes it zero chance, zero chance, zero, take my
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first sip right now.
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Okay.
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Problem is he sitting next to me.
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So if he tries to really hold it, like this is going to be, it's not going to be a problem
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for you.
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That does not taste good.
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No, it's horrible.
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It tastes horrible.
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Can I smell it?
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I mean, I don't know.
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There's a smell.
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Is there a smell?
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No.
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Is that all that's just might make you put your pants?
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That, yeah.
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That thing is my smelling.
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That thing's main goal.
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That's great.
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That thing's main goal is to get out of your body as quick as possible.
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No, it smells good.
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It smells fruity.
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That's it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'll take it.
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Oh, well, maybe it's leftover from that.
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The salt.
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Oh, it just gave me the real thing.
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Give me the source here.
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You know what, I did put a lemon packet.
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It's just next time we can just all chug the lightly and see how long it will be next.
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It's like, hey, we did milk chugging contest when I was in high school, a little bit of
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milk chugging.
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I did put a little lemon packet in there that they gave me.
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Okay, yeah.
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I can't get the smell of it.
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Keep putting crap in the light packet in that or in that.
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It sounds like a list.
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It sounds like a list.
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I did put a lemon thing in there.
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It's yesterday.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, it smells like lemony water.
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So I don't know what the actual thing smells like, so apparently I've got to go 10 ounces
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every 10 minutes or something like that.
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Zero.
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Oh, wow.
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How far is your drive from here to get home?
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Mmm.
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Five minutes.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Yeah, we are.
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Yeah.
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Zero percent chance you make it through.
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Jake says.
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Zero.
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Just like there's a zero percent chance of you spending a turn of your health.
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If you are in Christ, boom, and that is the grass mired transition.
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That is trade market guys.
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And so guys, we're getting into Genesis 25 today.
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It is quite the chapter.
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We're going to be spending the hour here.
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So hopefully you are red up and ready to go.
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So since this is the longest part, just in case you have an attack of bowels, I want
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you to read this because like if you have to like run in the middle of the first, because
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you're doing the first 28 versus of this.
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Okay.
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So I'm trying to like extend it out just a little bit here.
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Okay.
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Versus.
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You're going to make it.
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We're going to make it.
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We're going to make it.
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Genesis 25.
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We're going to make it to the 28.
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You okay with that?
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All right.
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It's fine.
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I mean, like.
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Because it's going to take you about five minutes just to get through the names in the
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first, like 18 versus a lot of names.
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I got this.
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Okay.
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You got it.
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I'm going to hear the grumbling around here.
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Abraham took another wife whose name was Katura.
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She bore him.
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Jokshan met Midan, Midian, Ishbach, and Shua, Jokshan, Father Chiba, and Dedan.
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The sons of Dedan were Ashiram, Latusham, and Lumen.
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The sons of Midian were Efath, Ephir, Hanak, Abida, and Elda.
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All these were children of Katura.
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Abraham gave all he had to Isaac, but to the sons of his concubines, Abraham gave gifts.
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And while he was still living, he sent them away from his son Isaac eastward to the East
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country.
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These are the days of the years of Abraham's life, 175 years.
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Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and
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was gathered to his people, Isaac and Ishmael, his sons, buried him in the cave of Meccapala.
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In the field Ephron, the son of Zohar, the Hittite, east of Mamrie.
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The field that Abraham purchased from the Hittites.
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Their Abraham was buried with Sarah, his wife.
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After the death of Abraham, God blessed Isaac, his son, and Isaac settled at Beer-Lahai-Roy.
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These are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, who, Hagar, the Egyptian, Sarah's servant
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bore to Abraham.
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These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, named in the order of their birth, Nabyoth,
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The Firstborn of Ishmael, and Kedar, Abdiil, Mibsam, Mishma, Duma, Masah, Heidad, Timah,
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Jitur, Naftish, and Katama.
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These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names by their villages and their encampments,
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12 princes according to their tribes.
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These are the years of the life of Ishmael, 137 years.
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He breathed his last and died and was gathered to his people.
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They settled from Havelah to Shor, which is opposite Egypt in the direction of Assyria.
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He settled over against all his kinsmen.
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Pause.
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If you had to take a dog name from the first 18 verses of Genesis 25, all right, you got
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to pick the best one and the audience will vote, okay?
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And once it's taken, it's off the board.
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So I'm taking, I'm taking Hey Dad, because that's like, you know, your dog's like, Hey
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Dad, right?
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H-A-D-A-D.
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Hey Dad.
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I love it.
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Um, um, Abdiil?
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Abdiil?
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Abdiil?
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Abdiil?
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Abdiil.
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One more time.
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Abdiil.
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Abdiil.
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Spell it.
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Ad, B-E-E-L.
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All right.
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Have fun yelling that across the dog park.
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Sheba.
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Sheba.
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Oh.
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That's a good one.
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That's probably been a dog name.
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I have to think.
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Um, I'm going with Kedama.
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Kedama.
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You see?
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That's not bad.
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I think that's what my stomach just did.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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See, the thing is, is I, I can hear what's happening on this side of the table.
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I swear I don't see it.
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L-A-Hiroi.
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Yeah.
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You just ran right through that one, just like that stuff was about to run right through
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your body.
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Do you have to drink all of it?
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Half of it, and then half in the morning.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Well, all right.
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I'm sorry.
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I busted that up.
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Go ahead and start 19.
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These are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son.
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Abraham fathered Isaac, and Isaac was 40 years old when he took Rebecca, the daughter
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of Bethuel, the Aramean of Padam Aram, the sister of Laban, and the Aramean to be his wife.
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And Isaac prayed to the Lord for his wife because she was barren.
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And the Lord granted his prayer, and Rebecca, his wife, conceived.
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The children struggled together within her, and she said, "If it is thus, why is this
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happening to me?"
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So she went to inquire of the Lord, and the Lord said to her, "Two nations are in your
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womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided.
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The one shall be stronger than the other.
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The other shall serve the younger."
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When her days to give birth were completed, behold, there were twins in her womb.
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The first came out red, all his body, like a hairy cloak, so they called his name Esau.
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Afterwards, his brother came out with his hand holding Esau's heel, so his name was
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called Jacob.
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Isaac was 60 years old when she bore them.
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When the boys grew up, Esau was a skillful hunter, a man of the field, while Jacob was
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a quiet man, dwelling in tents.
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Isaac loved Esau because he ate of his game, but Rebecca loved Jacob.
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So this is the first ginger mentioned in all of scripture, so shout out to Esau.
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Am I here in your stomach?
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Because I literally had to pull part of my headphones off.
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Is that what's happening?
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Are you sure?
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I don't know.
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Are you sure?
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I don't think so.
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Not yet.
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That's the bubble got going on over there.
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So guys, go with the first 28 verses of Genesis 25.
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How are you like?
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Ready, set go.
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Ready, set go.
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Well, it was interesting that Hagar and Gatura are both called concubarians because I didn't
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wouldn't think that Abraham would get remarried and then that Gatura we call a concubine.
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I get it with Hagar, but maybe it's just a show of lesser status and that Sarah was
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his primary wife, original wife, and don't he make pickup on that?
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Yeah, that is interesting because he's not married in, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't get any indication that he actually had concubines outside of just being with
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Hagar originally and then Sarah and then Gatura.
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Yeah.
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This appears to be, I mean, in the Bible, it sure is.
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It has to guess this is the first time that Isaac and Ishmael are back together for the
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burial of Abraham.
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Yeah, because there was quite the dispute, you know, because obviously Ishmael was 16
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or 17 when Isaac was born, then you have a problem with descendants and, you know, first
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born heirs and that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, I wonder the vibe in that room, how that went, you know.
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It's interesting that it's in there, intentionally in there.
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I think it's interesting, Ishmael's mother Hagar was told he will live in hostility towards
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all his brothers back in chapter 16, verse 12.
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And Abraham was assured he would father 12 rulers.
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So both predictions came true that Ishmael did live in hostility towards his brothers
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and Abraham that he would father 12 rulers, both of those.
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And so both of those were pretty relatively, I mean, those are minor promises that God
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made to Abraham.
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So when, you know, how much more sure would he be that he would fill the much greater
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promises made to Isaac, who was the actual chosen son?
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So I do think that was, I think that's a bit interesting.
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Again, I think the dynamic, you know, of the centuries of hostility between when you trace
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back the Islamic faith to Ishmael and the Christian and Jewish faith back to Isaac.
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I find it very, it's a fascinating dichotomy because you do kind of see where all of this
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is rooted.
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I just, it's a very, it's, it's an interesting historical study.
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Great.
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I think the other thing, the, you know, kind of moving to the second part that Eric read
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there, the, the birth of Esau, Esau and Jacob, the two nations are in your room.
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The older will serve the younger.
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Jacob comes out grabbing Esau's heel, literally from birth Esau's serving his younger brother,
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helping him get out of the womb.
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Yeah.
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And his name means con man, does it not?
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Yeah.
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Deceiver.
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Yeah.
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I've always loved this part of the Bible.
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My namesake in the Bible, Jacob.
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Thanks, mom and dad.
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But I think it's Esau, I also like the Esau, it points out that he was red and hairy.
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So red in Hebrew, Admonai and hairy was seer actually points to his anticipated future
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homeland.
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Notice Edom and seer.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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It's always just stuff like there.
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Yeah.
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There is some interesting things to pick up on there.
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Two nations in your room, kind of the, you know, this is kind of just a theme.
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Two nations, you look at, you know, Isaac and Ishmael, the nation that God had chosen
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as his chosen people and then Egypt, Hagar being from Egypt and then going back to Egypt
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to get a wife for Ishmael, two kind of two nations going at war there.
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It's just an interesting theme that just runs throughout the Bible of brothers against
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brothers, nations against nations.
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Two nations being at war in your room or in your room together that will be divided as
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an interesting theme there.
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I looked at, you know, the mention of him dying at 175 Abraham dying at 175 years old.
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I just had written down here that he was, he was considered a friend of God.
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I like that from James two, Abraham believed God and it was going to count it to him as
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righteousness.
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And he was called a friend of God and then just kind of looking at, I don't, I didn't
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write the verse down there, you remember it, but it says we're no longer called servants,
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but friends of God.
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So as believers, we are also considered friends of God.
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Let me trust and put our faith in him.
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So you're saying you don't think that there was any concubines beyond Hagar and Katura?
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You mean, with Abraham?
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Yeah.
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I don't, I don't get that indication.
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Do you?
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I don't see that.
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I don't know.
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To the sun, cause you would have to think like with Hagar, she's gone.
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She's gone.
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And so is Ishmael.
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They're far away from here by now.
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So he's got Katura, but they said, but to the sons of his concubines, plural.
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And I don't think he was giving Ishmael any gifts because he was sent away.
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So I kind of think that maybe he probably did.
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Oh, let's see.
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I'm looking at verse, I'm looking at verse six.
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So, and I'm just kind of tracing it back to, you know, the fact that Hagar and Ishmael
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are gone, Ishmael did not receive any of the inheritance.
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Isaac got everything, but then in terms of gifts, he gave gifts to the concubines, the
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children of his concubines.
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Right.
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It just doesn't mention anything else.
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No.
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It's not that specific.
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I'm just, it's conjecture.
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Sure.
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Like, I mean, all of those, all of those sons are named and they're all from Katura.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's kind of what I'm going on.
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Yeah.
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If he had other sons, I think they would have been named.
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So I'm going to look at that concubine, the plural of concubine.
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Yeah.
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Now I get it.
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In the ESV study Bible, there's a little footnote here that says concubines may, may
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refer to Hagar and Katura as like just not a formal marriage between the two of them.
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Not necessarily.
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They were just like concubines in the way we would think concubine, but it was just
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not a formal marriage relationship.
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And to be clear, this is a descriptive, not prescriptive verse.
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I mean, I think this is another thing where people kind of get things a little bit mixed
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up that, you know, the Bible is being written just as you would tell any other story.
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Yeah.
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You, you say, here are the details.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that just because it's in the Bible, it's permissible.
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So yeah, him having concubines and, you know, in the polygamous relationships that we see
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throughout the Bible, that does not necessarily a prescriptive verse.
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Right.
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And I also think there's a distinction should be made between what God allows and what God
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condones.
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You know, he obviously allowed Abraham to have, you know, Hagar, but that clearly doesn't
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mean that he condoned that.
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And I think, I think a lot of times people get caught up on, well, you know, God was,
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you know, God was all about polygamy in the Old Testament is like, well, no, that's not
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true.
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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And I think it's easy.
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You can actually read a lot through, especially throughout the Old Testament, you can read
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a lot of stories about where God is permitting people to succeed in sin.
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Um, I mean, you know, Jacob's story is actually a, you know, pretty good.
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You know, I won't flash, you know, fast forward here, but his is a pretty good example.
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You know, you're, you're doing things, you're conniving, you're deceiving all along the path.
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And God is allowing that to succeed.
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And it seems like you're getting blessings on the other side of it.
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And you see that even today, like you'll see people are like, how, how is this person,
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like just they're constantly succeeding.
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And it just, you know, or the, you know, the failing upwards, you know, you see this all
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the time.
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And you just start asking yourself, like, I feel like I'm doing everything that I'm supposed
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to be doing, and I'm not seeing the same level of success.
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But I think sometimes we have to understand that God's timing is strategic.
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That while we may not experience an immediate response from God every time that we sin,
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there is a proper time where maybe that those chickens will come home to roost, that those
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consequences will eventually hit and bring you low.
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And I think that, you know, that the sins when we bring, when God brings those sins to
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our attention, that's when the full fruit of the consequences will actually come into
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our lives.
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Yeah.
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And also think about, you know, these people that pray, you know, the Bible talks about
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these people that pray and they have all these movements and things they want to be seen
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by man, right?
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You have your reward because you've been seen by man.
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So there is that, that as well as like, do you, would you rather have your reward now?
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Or would you rather be laying up treasures in heaven?
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And maybe you don't see any of that until literally you walk in through the gates and
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you're like, wow, thank you, Lord.
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Well, I think defining success is crucial.
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What is success?
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You know, and I think when we're, when we're looking at other people and obviously there's
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the tendency to have some jealousy or to, you know, to think that, oh, how did they get
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that?
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Why, you know, where's my success?
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I think what success is, is paramount to under, you know, to knowing where you fit in.
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Whose success is it is another one?
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And then to with, with the people who are, you know, receive blessings or look like they're,
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you know, they're blessed or God is blessing them.
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Do we not see that in the church as well with that, that church is obviously of God, not
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a specific church, just, just a church in general, that is that church of God or look
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how, look how God has blessed that church because it's massive or they have so many
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people or their numbers are just like astronomics.
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So that must be a move of the Holy Spirit.
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And there's nothing inherently about that statement that, that says it is or it isn't.
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But I think sometimes we get caught up on the huge church must be blessed by God.
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That's not necessarily the case.
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Yeah.
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And so just, just like here, like, and Abraham's a good example too, not just Jacob.
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Abraham did lots of, I mean, he lied, he lied to, to a guy saying, you know, hey, this
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is my sister and the, and the dude, and the dude, the dude paid him like money and animals.
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Like, so he's being blessed by this guy who, I mean, ultimately is, is God is blessing
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him in spite of his sinful nature.
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And I don't remember which song it is, but I mean, it rains on the rich and the poor,
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like it rains on the righteous and the unrighteous.
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I don't, I probably just butchered that. Sorry, Joby, but it's all the same, like, because
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like that, the material wealth isn't the end game.
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That's not the success that God is measuring.
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Well, there's a big time danger of finding your satisfaction on that.
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So as y'all were saying, I was trying to find it.
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I found it Luke 624.
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These are the words of Jesus, but woe unto you that are rich for you have received your
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consolation, right?
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So it's like, Hey, you've already gotten your reward, right?
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And then you're not going to be getting any on, like, on the back end in heaven.
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And so I think about the people on this planet that maybe live a full life of destitution
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and don't really have anything and they've had many times where they've had to pray the
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prayer, give us this day, our daily bread, because they didn't know where their, their
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meal was going to be coming from for that day.
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And so I think that's an important consideration as well.
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And back to the point that you were making a while ago, Jake, I remember very early 20s,
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I'm like leading a, you know, home group type thing.
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And I remember one of the guys, he was, he was kind of a, your, your nade pin puller type
21:49
of guy.
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Like he would pull the pin on someone and throw it into a conversation and then just
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kind of like walk away.
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Like that was just kind of his thing.
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And I normally could get the upper hand on him, but that was one thing that he talked
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about.
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I was like, Hey, what about Abraham, models, cocky bites?
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What about blah, blah, blah?
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What about all that?
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Like what does your God have to say about that?
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It's like, first of all, it's like you're in this Christian, like home group thing and
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you're talking in this very disputatious way, like that's not exactly what I think you're
22:11
supposed to be doing.
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But I didn't have the words at the time to be like, obviously there's a difference between
22:15
description and prescription.
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And then again, again, there's a big danger about popping into the Bible, like kind of
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like parachuting down into a store, you're into a verse or into a part of a verse, people
22:27
that make t-shirts and bumper stickers and then, you know, parachute, you know, taking
22:30
a rocket ship and getting right back out of there because it's like, there's an entire
22:33
context about what is happening and God is allowing things to happen because like he
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only has, like Satan only has the power that God allows him to have.
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And so when Satan is doing things and, you know, attacking people and all that again,
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at the end of it, there's going to be glory to God somehow and how someone is delivered
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through pain or delivered through trial or something like that.
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So there's a whole lot more to it than I think a lot of people guess.
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Yeah.
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I think the, what is the first three rules of understanding Bible verse or context, context
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and context?
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Yeah.
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So you got it.
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You got to understand that you can't drop in.
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But any time that I hear like a sermon and, you know, it's more of a topical sermon and
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then they will, you know, they'll pluck out a verse from wherever.
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I would just encourage anybody who's doing that.
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It's like, okay, look, you know, you're obviously, if it's more topical than it is expository,
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you know, I would encourage anybody who just sees that single verse, like just go and read
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that chapter, like while they're preaching, because if that verse is being used in that
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context within the word, okay, then yeah, maybe you're on to something.
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But if that verse has been taken, you know, if it's been clipped and they do it in books
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too.
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I mean, I think you have actually talked about so often the books will actually refer a verse
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and then you didn't always go and actually read the Bible verse.
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So you have no idea of what they're actually saying is supported by scripture or not because
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you haven't gone and looked at it.
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But even then they'll refer to a verse and you're going, okay, well, that's great.
24:03
You go and read the verse and it's like, well, yeah, but that's not how this is supposed
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to be applied.
24:09
Well, I remember framing is so important too because I remember after Wes Huff kind of
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first rose to prominence, Alex O'Connor, who's a very he, he's, he seems to be an intellectually
24:20
honest atheist and I'm, I'm trying to remember what he would actually call himself.
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I don't know if he calls himself atheist or agnostic, but he's the one that was interviewing
24:27
being interviewed by Jordan Peterson or other way around.
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I think he was being interviewed by Jordan Peterson and he got Jordan Peterson to admit
24:32
that he believes that the resurrection actually happened.
24:35
Like that's Alex O'Connor, right?
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So cause Alex O'Connor said, Hey, if we put a, you know, camera pointed out the face of
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Joseph a mayor from the is tomb and you and I are back here watching a monitor.
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What would we see three days after he was put in there and Jordan Peterson said, I presume
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we would see Jesus get up and walk out, right?
24:49
And said this was an eight atheist I got Jordan Peterson to admit that publicly.
24:52
But what I was getting at is someone like him will after Wes Huff came out, he basically
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because Wes Huff made a statement about the number of contradictions in the Bible or different
25:05
transcripts or problems.
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And Alex O'Connor said, well, actually there's 2000 or 3000 of these, these errors and blah,
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blah, blah, basically trying to make it a dunk moment.
25:14
But what he was talking about, these were scribal errors.
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These were not errors in the, in what the message of the gospel was, this was somebody
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like zig does opposed to zagged on a particular word or a comma problem or a misspelling.
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And again, how Wes Huff explained it, is there a certain where they have the most amount
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of errors were in the places where the gospel was spreading so fast, you could tell that
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the scribes were just literally greeking as fast as they could to get these, these letters
25:40
from Paul and, you know, these different writings out to more places around wherever they were
25:44
doing ministry, the, the first speed to lead game, man.
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That's what that was.
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It's like, we got to get this in the hands of, of all the people as quick as possible to
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lead.
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What is that speed to lead that like that is the in sales speed to lead is the quickest
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to the lead gets the lead is kind of the idea there.
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So they're, you know, they're trying to get that out to as being people as quickly as
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possible.
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So I think what I look at the other side of that though, the board game or something,
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I was like, what is that?
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We'll be playing that next week.
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I want a place.
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Be an elite Genesis.
26:15
The sheer number of cross references and the connections between the old and the new Testament
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is just mind boggling to me, even just in the last several weeks as we, as we've gone
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through these chapters, just looking at the continuity, the imagery, the mirroring of
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Christ seeing, you know, seeing through the Old Testament stories, you know, and the pointing
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towards the Redeemer coming out just like, how does this happen?
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Like it cannot just happen.
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So all that other stuff, you know, with the missing whatever comma or whatever to me is
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just kind of like it pales in comparison to the just absolute continuity of the story
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from beginning to end.
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And the thing is, is one of these people can produce a transcript with a name and an author
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or a scribe or something like that, that claimed that Jesus never claimed to be God or that
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Jesus wasn't crucified or that Jesus didn't die or that Jesus actually wasn't resurrected
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from the grave.
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Like none of them are those types of things, but that's not where these people will hang
27:13
their hat.
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They want to hang their hat on a number of, you know, differences between transcripts,
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but it's just like, is that really the point?
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Like think, think about whatever your favorite movie is.
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So pick your favorite movie.
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Imagine a throwaway line that you could pick from that movie to where if that, that line
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or even if that entire scene were deleted from the movie and you would lose nothing because
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even perfect movies could lose a scene and you still get the point, right?
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There's plenty of deleted scenes in all these like world famous movies, but it's like, did
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you lose the point?
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I remember when I accidentally watched the extended version of gladiator, I've watched
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gladiator more than just about any other movie except for movies when I watched as a kid
27:48
when you, you know, watch them every day or something like that.
27:50
And for whatever reason, I was watching the extended version and there is a scene where
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comedists has a couple of guys that had these were the Praetorian guards that came back
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and said that they had killed Maximus, but they hadn't.
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And so it's a scene of him confronting them.
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And in this deleted scene, you have comedists in between these two men as they're being
28:08
executed, but he's all the archers have their bows drawn and he is, you know, or raiding
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and extending this out and extending the drama the entire team because basically they're
28:17
just waiting for the verbal thumbs up or thumbs down as to whether or not they're going to
28:20
kill their, you know, the Praetorian teammates or whatever or like.
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And in the entire scene, I'm like, wow, that was incredibly dramatic.
28:28
That was crazy because they eventually do shoot these guys and comedists literally gets
28:31
blood all over them and everything.
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But they cut that out of the theatrical release of the movie.
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And it didn't have to be in there in order for people to get the point.
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And so that's what people are not doing with these transcripts or saying like, Oh, here's
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a gaping hole that once filled in, it changes the story of who Jesus is.
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It's like they're not, they don't have the smoking gun, they're hanging their hat on
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something else.
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They're trying to distract you.
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No.
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And you can go into so many different aspects here in terms of like, give me one piece of
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archaeological discovery that has disproven the, the circumstance, facts and circumstances
29:03
that have been outlined in the Bible, you can't produce it because there's been nothing that
29:07
has disproven it.
29:08
It's exact opposite.
29:09
And I, and again, I'll go back, I've mentioned this book before on the podcast, but scribes
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and scriptures, a very interesting book and the weight of what scribes had to do in terms
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of, you know, copying down, you know, chapter, you know, these, the books in the Bible, like
29:26
just having to be faithful in those.
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But I think one of the most interesting thing is there's so many different historical figures
29:35
that we rely on, like, Plutarch and Josephus and these different historical writers that
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we just go back and say, Oh, well, this must be true about Alexander the Great because,
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you know, Plutarch wrote about this and it's like, you have hundreds of years after.
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Well, hundreds of years after and like 12 surviving manuscripts, like, yeah, it's not
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very many.
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We put so much stock in like this small discovery of things and just take everything that we
30:04
know about Alexander and Julius Caesar and even Egyptian pharaohs, we just take those
30:09
based upon the faith of these small batch of writings.
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And yet there's literally, I think, 24,000 manuscripts of the Bible written in like 10
30:23
different languages that don't contradict one another.
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They all say the same thing.
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They've been copied and recopied and copied and recopied.
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And yet we sit here and just go, Well, it can't happen like that.
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It didn't really, that didn't really happen.
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It's like, of course it did.
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Of course it did.
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It had to.
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Well, the old adage of there's more evidence to the existence of Jesus Christ than there
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is Napoleon and no one disputes the existence and life of Napoleon.
30:53
But Jesus confronts us where we don't want to be confronted.
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And we are in a spiritual warfare and Satan, the ruler and the power of this world wants
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nothing more than to discredit all of those things.
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And so the discredit comes and it's that age old lie.
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Did God really say that's what those arguments really can be boiled down to.
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Did God really say those, those errors or whatever, like you're calling into question
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the word of God, which happened in Genesis chapter three, it goes all the way back.
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Notice the first time that was ever uttered was by a serpent in the garden.
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A dragon.
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A dragon.
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For sure.
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Like this isn't, this isn't anything new, but as Christians, I think we have to rest
31:45
in the fact that we know where our faith lies, but then also be willing to confront that
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lie.
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We really say, with the truth of, well, yes, yes, actually he did.
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And so I don't know, that's, that's what I, that's kind of what I, what I take from
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those is that's, it's just an age old lie.
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It's just, it's just going back to the garden.
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How's your stomach doing, Eric?
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I, you know, you know, that feeling where things kind of drop, yeah, that has happened.
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I'm telling you.
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I just looked, I was like, well, 29 minutes.
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I'm still good.
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I'm just going to say we're not going to go as long on this one as we're doing some
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other weeks.
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So we're going to be giving guys a little bit of their time back.
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But I just want to get a little check and go.
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I almost just, I'm not having to do, I'm not doing lemons breathing or anything like
32:26
that.
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I'm good.
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Well, I'm, I'm, the smell I'm getting on this side of the table is telling me otherwise.
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So just, you know, it is what it is, but hey, since you, since you read Genesis 25, how
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about you go ahead and close us out?
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You're going to read all of Genesis, the rest of Genesis 25.
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You may read 95%.
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I just want to try to keep him engaged at the tables.
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How long we can draw this down.
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So let's get into Esau selling his birth right.
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So 29 through the end.
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So movements.
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Yes.
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Once when Jacob was cooking stew, Esau came in from the field and he was exhausted and
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Esau said to Jacob, let me eat some of that red stew for I'm exhausted.
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Therefore, his name was called Edom.
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Jacob said, sell me your birth right now.
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Esau said, I'm about to die of what use is a birth right to me.
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Jacob said swear to me now.
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So he swore to him and sold his birth right to Jacob.
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Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew and he ate and drank and rose and went his
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way.
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Thus Esau despised his birth right.
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So I've been hungry before, but I've never quite been this hungry where I was willing.
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Now I get it.
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It's like, if you're about to die, like I've heard the adage before.
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It's like, what is gold to a man dying of thirst?
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It's like, you know, you can't, you can't sustain yourself with gold bars or whatever.
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But yeah, let's go ahead and get into the story of Esau and Jacob.
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One of the first things you want to understand here is just kind of what's at stake.
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So there's two sons here and understand the uniqueness here is okay.
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So in the Jewish culture, you know, primogeniture ruled.
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So first born gets the double share.
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How unfair that must seem to a twin because you're, you know, born seconds after your
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brother and Jacob gets the half share of what Esau is going to get.
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But when you look at it, so the way they would do it is if you had two sons, then your inheritance
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would be divided up into three.
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And then they would give, you'd give two thirds to one son and a third to the other.
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So it'd be the double portion.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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If you had 12 kids and you divided up into 13, one would get two thirteenths and the rest
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of them would get one thirteenth.
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So you always ended up getting double as the oldest.
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But I think, you know, that discrepancy would be probably painful enough for a second child.
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Probably even more so to a twin.
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So I don't think that Jacob's probably sitting here and going, Oh, that's just fine.
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This is good to go.
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So I can kind of see where he would go.
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Well, I have a plan.
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I, you know, like if there was an opportunity to do this, this would seem more, you know,
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this would seem like justice in his, in his mind in a way.
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But I think the other thing that's interesting here is he saw us kind of revealing why he
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would not be the chosen person here because he's got a very utilitarian understanding
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of what his needs are deeply impetuous.
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That's right.
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So he's, he's ends, it just to 25 ends with a striking sequence of five straight verbs,
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eight, drank, got up, left, despised.
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Perhaps the author is suggesting that it was just as routine for him to despise his birth
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right as it was to do the others, which is eat, drink, get up and leave.
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It is not that he saw trades the covenant blessing away, but rather he shows his attitude
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towards heritage.
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If he so lightly esteem his material birthright, what reason is there to believe that he will
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value a covenant birthright?
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So literally in his action of despising this birthright and giving it away, he just shows
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how little he values it.
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He values it less than food.
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So he's, so he is another, he's another picture of Adam who also threw away his birthright
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for some food.
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Should miss that.
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We shouldn't miss that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So very true.
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He is so flippant towards the promise that God made to fulfill through the line of Isaac
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that he lets his emotions run his life to the point that he throws away his birthright.
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And you could, you could harp on Jacob all day long because there's probably a little
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bit of conniving.
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There's probably a little bit of strategic planning here.
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I'm going to take this birthright.
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I'm waiting for the moment.
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And yes, that probably is, that probably is true, but he saw, he saw his attitude and
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flippancy towards the promise that God made to his grandfather Abraham to fulfill to make
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all things right through this line, like there is, there's such a stark similarity between
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him and Adam that we shouldn't miss that.
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And we're all sons of Adam until we're not, until we, until we put our faith in Christ.
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And so there's, there's also some similarity between us outside of Christ, between us and
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Esau and Adam as well.
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So that's, that's, that's an interesting thing that I, that I was thinking about as I was
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reading that.
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Yeah.
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The instant gratification.
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If it feels good, do it.
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I mean, he wanted something and he wanted it right then, and he was willing to give up
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whatever's necessary to get it.
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I'm going to butcher about it.
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Burke Parsons talks about this a lot.
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Emotions can be liars.
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We should always be willing to speak truth to our emotions.
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And not that emotions aren't necessary and can't help us and aren't good, but emotions
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can just be to our detriment and clearly, clearly here that he saw his detriment there.
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Sure.
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Well, when in your life, have you done something based on emotion alone and it turned out well,
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turned out preferable?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I'm sure we can think of times like that, but typically when you operate only
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in your emotional part of your brain and your countenance, you're not going to really like
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what the outcome is like.
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And we even see in Hebrews, you see in the New Testament that he saw as used as an example
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of like, okay, this is a dude that's like ignoring God's blessing for carnal pleasures.
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And so I can't figure out a changes to off the King James version.
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So I'll be reading Hebrews 12, 16 and 17 in the King James, unless there be any fornicator
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or profane person as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright for you know that,
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you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected
39:05
for he found no place of repentance, though he saw it carefully with tears.
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And so this is something in desperation, but the thing was, is he wasn't dying.
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Like he was desperate, he was hungry, but he wasn't dying.
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Like he wasn't one, you know, if he didn't get a meal right then that he was going to
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cease to exist.
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And so, and we can see that there are issues, there were issues for Esau later, where he
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just almost cursed himself for giving away what God had blessed him with.
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And it's like, I don't want to stretch it, stretch it too far, but it's almost like
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when God gives a blessing to somebody that they just [inaudible] away.
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So a talent or a skill and that could be any skill.
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There's all the varsity skills of like, okay, if you can jump high and run fast and you
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know, obviously that your road to professional sports is a lot smoother than for somebody
39:52
who isn't blessed with those things.
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Not like there are people that are incredibly intellectually gifted, that, you know, get
39:58
off into video games and drugs and whatever thing is.
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And so they're not using the skill that God gave them to glorify God.
40:05
I also think about, and we've, we've talked about this a little bit, but people that seem
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to, you brought up, I don't know if it was this week or last week, Jake, where it's
40:13
like people that just seem to succeed.
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No matter what, they succeed and it just works out and you're so confused.
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Well, some of these people are getting blessings from the devil, right?
40:21
And so they're being put in places and maintained in places.
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It's not because they sold their soul.
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Like, you know, the devil came down, came to him and was like, Hey, shake my hand and
40:28
I'll, you'll sell a bunch of records.
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I mean, you'll die in the end and go to hell, but like you're gonna sell, you know, five
40:33
billion records in the meantime, but you have these people that are using their skill sets
40:37
that God gave them, but they are not using them for the glorification of God.
40:40
They're using it for the glorification of self of their ego of their bank account and
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things like that.
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And so it, there's a fundamental disordering of what God has given them.
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Yeah, I kind of brings so there's another joke here.
40:54
Sorry.
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I'm going to go through it because I hope it is.
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So one Sunday morning, a deacon decided to skip church and take in some golf.
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He slipped over the fence onto the third fairway and began to play as in the case of Job, Satan
41:07
was standing before God and asked what God intended to do to punish the deacons dishonesty.
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Just wait and see what happens on the fifth hole.
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God smiled.
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The fifth hole was the most difficult on the course and often was responsible for scuttling
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the hopes for a good game on this particular Sunday morning, however, the deacon whose handicap
41:26
was barely a mediocre 33 drove the ball straight and true.
41:30
Not only did it find the green, but also it took the curve of the terrain and went right
41:34
in the cup, a hole in one, Satan was a gas with incredulity.
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Why have you rewarded this unconscionable conduct with such remarkable success?
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God says, it looks like success now, but who is he going to tell?
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Oh, God, that's skull jokes.
41:58
That's really bad.
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No, I, I say the joke because it is, I mean, again, what looks like success in the moment,
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you know, in this version, okay, he slipped on the golf course, so he didn't pay.
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He's, he's skipping church.
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He's a deacon and he's skipping church.
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And yet he gets a hole in one on this hole that is impossible and the, there is no reward
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for him in that.
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And other than he can try and tell people and they're going to be like, I don't believe
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you.
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Sure.
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You're just going to look like a liar now.
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So I, I mean, I think to your point, you know, success does look different for different
42:41
people. And I do think that a lot of times people put things into a bucket of, I am successful
42:48
because I have done or I have obtained, you know, I got this promotion.
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Um, I was actually talking to somebody last night and, you know, he was talking about
42:59
he always wanted to be the president of the bank and he got to become president of the
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bank.
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I was like, what do you think?
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He goes, man.
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He's like, I don't know.
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But in the, and I'm a partner, I, I work for 10 years to become a partner at a, at a public
43:12
accounting firm and I've got it.
43:14
And I always remind myself of the old quote from Oscar Wilde, or two great tragedies in
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this life.
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One is not getting what you want and the other is getting it.
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And so sometimes there are days that you're just like, I do not want to deal with this
43:27
today.
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It's difficult.
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And there's other times that it's absolutely a joy, but, uh, I think that when you start
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trying to pinpoint, you know, why people are successful and everything, I think it's so
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hard to tell.
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I think sometimes whether this is a blessing from God or a test from God.
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And I think a lot of times you just kind of have to walk in faith and hope that, hope
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that those blessings that he's given you through whatever the decisions you've made and choices
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that you've made, that those are truly from him and that you're just walking in faith along
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the way.
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I don't know.
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I'm kind of trailing off here.
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No, it sounds like it can be both.
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I mean, all Isaac was the ultimate blessing and was also used to test Abraham.
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So I think, I think they can be one and the same.
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Yeah, it was interesting.
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Um, I wonder if these boys knew about that, about the discussion God had had with Rekka.
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You know, cause she felt the struggle and asked and inquired and then God said, well, this
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is how it's going to, how it's going to go down.
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Do you think they knew that?
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At this point in their life, is that what you're asking?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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That's a good, that's a good question.
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I have to think like you probably don't tell your kids that because you don't want them
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to fight.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I don't, I don't think that you're as a parent looking to intentionally have strife
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between your kids.
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Sure.
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I mean, there's enough of that.
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Yeah.
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Without you doing anything.
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I mean, clearly it looked like, you know, she put Jacob as her favorite, you know, maybe
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just cause she knew that that was where the covenant was headed.
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Yeah.
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Maybe, maybe not.
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I don't know.
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I mean, that's possible.
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Jacob favored, or Isaac favored Esau.
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That may have just been her response, like a natural thing at the scales in the other
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direction.
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I think he's also home body, like he was, he was where she would have been.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So there's a lot of that as well.
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I mean, surely that maybe factored in, like I said surely maybe, yes, no, wish you wash
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you over here.
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I think that could have been a factor because you know, like God sells her the older shell
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serve the younger and she's like, Oh, okay, well, I'm going to put all my time and attention
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into Jacob, right?
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The trickster.
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I did right down.
45:50
I put Jacob is trying to gain something.
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He's already been promised by God, and he's also trying to sell something that wasn't his
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to give.
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Yeah.
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That, I don't know that Jacob would like, maybe he did know because like, I mean, in
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our sinful flesh, like again, back to Abraham, he was promised like his offspring would be
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more than the number of more than the stars or number more than the stars, and he still
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tried to do it himself.
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So I mean, maybe, maybe Jacob's doing the same, like, all right, well, I'm going to try
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to get the older serving the younger, though.
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I mean, I don't know that that necessarily has to involve the blessing or the birthright.
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The birthright.
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I don't know that it has to.
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I mean, you can literally look at Joseph just in a, you know, later on in Genesis.
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I mean, it was his younger or his older brothers ended up kind of serving under him.
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They were relying upon him at one point, and it was Joseph who, you know, what was intended
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for evil ended up God using for good.
46:47
So I think it's entirely, I mean, I don't know that necessarily the birthright had to
46:50
be involved with the serving, you know, the older serving the younger.
46:54
I don't know that that necessarily had to be involved, but because I think we have enough
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examples of maybe some other characters within the Bible that well, I mean, Judah, Judah is
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like he, he is literally the line that Jesus comes from, and he's not the firstborn.
47:11
I mean, God, God flipped this flips the script on the, you know, the cultural paradox all
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the time.
47:17
I mean, so this is just another example of that happening.
47:19
Yeah, it's true.
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Well, and there was the material, you know, you get double the portion, but you also get
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to be the spiritual leader of the family, too.
47:26
So there's that other.
47:27
Which again, Esau's revealing right now why that probably is not his role.
47:32
Uh, I mean, and, you know, I actually put this in the ask a pastor question with Joby about
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being a spiritual leader in your home, and you know, like what's, you know, as a, as
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a father, you know, I'm supposed to be the spiritual leader in your home.
47:43
And he evens, I mean, I told you, I was like, he took a gigantic weight off of my shoulders
47:48
because while I spend time in the word, I don't know that I would necessarily consider
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myself to be the person in our home who is the most familiar with the words.
47:59
My wife is a daily Bible reader has been reading the Bible with our daughters every day faithfully
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since they were babies.
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I mean, just every day does the Bible, uh, the Bible recap, uh, watches those every morning
48:17
with our daughters.
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And so I am like, you know, there's been so much insecurity on my part because I'm like,
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why I'm supposed to be spiritual leader?
48:25
Why am I not doing this stuff?
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And it's like, well, maybe I'm just not the one to be doing it.
48:29
And I think that's kind of where I think that's, I can kind of see myself a little bit.
48:34
I mean, with Esau here is that, you know, I'm probably just not the person who's best suited
48:39
to do that for my daughters and maybe my wife is better suited for it.
48:42
Maybe that's why I don't feel this urging to be like, I need to read the Bible to my
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daughters. It's like, well, but my wife's doing that and she's probably better suited
48:51
for it.
48:52
There's other things you can do as a father to be the spiritual leader of your home.
48:57
Yeah, I mean, I think that's how it is, uh, with a lot of things though, like my wife
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does all the cooking.
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So do I come home motivated to cook every night?
49:05
No, because she literally is set a pace for that too.
49:09
Like I, she expects me to take out the trash.
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She never takes out the trash, you know, and that's okay.
49:13
And so we have those roles, right? And we're just, I mean, that's, we're neither necessarily
49:18
good or bad at it.
49:19
I mean, my wife's great cook.
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I don't know how I can be good about taking the trash out and whatever you do a great
49:24
job.
49:25
I've seen you do it before.
49:26
It's great.
49:27
Well, the other thing as well is like, what are you going to be held to account for is
49:31
the question that you need to ask because it's like, you know, so there are people that are
49:36
so a guy that's maybe a little bit more bait in his personality, maybe has a few more feminine
49:40
traits than maybe he should be leaning into.
49:43
And so he defaults to his wife's spiritual leadership and guidance in the home.
49:48
That is not the, no, no, wait, that is not the same thing as your wife reading the Bible
49:53
to your girls.
49:54
That's not the same thing because you have guys that are more than happy to abdicate
49:58
their responsibility as the spiritual thermostat of the household and they're totally okay with
50:03
taking the role as thermometer.
50:05
And they're going to have to give an account someday for how they've provided for the family,
50:09
just financially, but also spiritually, and part of what the father's leadership directive
50:16
is and what he will be held account for is what did he do to remove obstacles inside of
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his family's life?
50:22
Okay.
50:23
Because if you're out working, so your wife homeschools the girls, so you're out working
50:28
and you're providing for the family, you don't have the same opportunity to do the same things
50:33
and the same is true in the opposite for Stacy.
50:36
Now she's not going to have to give an account for how she has led the home spiritually,
50:41
but it is her job to be your help mate at your side.
50:44
And if you're at work, you know, neck deep and spread sheets and HR complaints or whatever
50:48
the thing is, she is doing her job as your help mate, even if she's not right at your
50:53
side at that moment.
50:54
Yeah.
50:55
Well, that again goes back to Genesis three.
50:58
Thank you.
50:59
Eve is the one that talks to the serpent, she takes the food, the fruit and gives it
51:06
to her husband, but he's abdicated his responsibility.
51:11
Eve isn't really mentioned in the rest of the Bible, but when we're talking about the
51:15
curse of man and the fall of man, who was mentioned, it's Adam, always Adam because he
51:19
was given, he was given dominion, he was given a directed directive, which he abdicated.
51:24
And so then we're not called, we are either in Eve or we're in Christ.
51:30
We are in Adam or we are in Christ and that responsibility is on us.
51:34
So it's figuring, I think it's different for every family too.
51:37
I think it's, you've got to figure out what is, what works for you and how, how that works,
51:42
but that you are the lead, like you're, you're the leader.
51:46
That doesn't change, but the day to day logistics, that can be different depending on the family
51:53
for sure.
51:54
I think the other thing that's a little bit, you know, and I'll just, you know, I don't
51:58
know if any of you are dealing with this or have dealt with it, but there is a little
52:02
bit of the idea, I mean, as you, as you get older and, you know, your parents pass away,
52:08
you know, becoming that patriarch of your family and kind of leading in that way.
52:13
And I mean, I'll tell you, like, I was wholly unprepared for that, you know, because I was
52:21
at 42 when my father passed away, I was not prepared for that kind of role, you know,
52:28
where you're just kind of trying to shepherd, you know, a trust and you're trying to shepherd
52:33
spiritually, like, you know, family members who were just kind of struggling with this.
52:39
And you know, some, some believers, some not believers, and you're just, you know, why
52:43
this happened, you know, it just seemed so soon is like, it was soon.
52:46
And yeah, this sucks.
52:48
And here's, here's what I'm trying to do.
52:50
But I think that it's, you know, again, leaning, leaning on God and leaning into your faith
52:57
in those moments when you can kind of understand, even though you're not prepared, God has
53:04
probably given you the tools and has prepared you for this moment, even though you're looking
53:10
at it and saying, I'm wholly unprepared for this moment.
53:13
He's probably given you everything you need to get through it.
53:17
And you just kind of, you know, pray, yes, go.
53:19
When you can't see, again, it's the flashlight on a trail thing, so like you can't see the
53:24
end of it.
53:25
And he has equipped you for the entirety of your responsibility that he has given you.
53:30
And so leading your family, leading your children from the moment there conceived until the
53:35
moment they are no longer in your charge inside of your household, he has prepared you and
53:39
through the process of sanctification and maturity, he's going to bring you along along the way.
53:44
Because if you are parenting this, you know, an 18 year old in the same way you're parenting
53:49
an 18 day old, there's going to be some issues, right, with you and how you're doing that.
53:54
But again, people like to look at fruit because I've heard guys say like, Oh man, I'm not
53:57
much of a reader.
53:58
My wife, she's real smart and she's real this and that and the other thing.
54:01
And it's like, okay, that might be true.
54:03
It does not absolve you of your responsibility to your household.
54:08
And so yes, there are women who are rather astute.
54:11
They see combinations and things in the Bible and they're given that, but they're given
54:15
that for the purpose of being a helpmate.
54:18
Not for the purpose of usurping the role of Adam, right?
54:21
And so that's going to be the woman's struggle if she is in that moment to not just override
54:26
her husband, be like, no, no, no, that's not actually what it means, right?
54:29
That's going to be her struggle and the man's struggle is going to be not feeling like he's
54:33
enough, not feeling like he has what it takes, but taking the mantle of responsibility seriously
54:39
in those moments.
54:40
Yeah.
54:41
Stacy's always been really great about, you know, I would say I am, I'm probably still
54:46
a novice and compared to her in terms of her, just knowledge of the Bible and scripture.
54:51
And she's always been pretty great about like, okay, I'll go and talk about things.
54:57
And then she's like, you know, and I can tell when she's real quiet that she's got a very
55:01
different stance.
55:03
And so she'll kind of talk to me later on about like, well, so why do you think that?
55:09
It's like, you know, she starts peppering me with some questions and then allows me to
55:12
kind of go either either allows me to state my case more clearly.
55:16
And then she goes, okay, I think you want to maybe clarify that with the girls tomorrow.
55:20
It's like, Oh, okay.
55:21
Cause she's like, I didn't get that.
55:24
But so she's really good about just trying to correct me kind of over here to the side
55:28
and then allowing me to go back to the girls and saying, Oh, and by the way, this is also
55:32
what I meant.
55:35
And then if I'm actually on the right track, she'll agree and she'll kind of reinforce.
55:39
So yeah, I definitely have a, I have a great helper in terms of that.
55:44
So very good.
55:45
Very good.
55:46
Anything else as we wrap up just man, I'd love to read this quote by Donald Gray Marnhouse.
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Esau despised his birthright example of someone who places value on spiritual things.
55:59
So history shows that men prefer illusions to realities, choose time rather than eternity
56:05
and the pleasures of sin for a season rather than the joys of God forever.
56:09
Men will read trash rather than the word of God and here to a system of priorities that
56:13
leaves God out of their lives, multitudes of men spend more time shaving than on their
56:18
souls and multitudes of women give more minutes to their makeup than to the life of the eternal
56:24
spirit.
56:25
Men still sell their birthright for a massive potage.
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Oof.
56:30
I don't think we need to say anything else after that.
56:32
Can you send that to me?
56:33
Yeah.
56:34
That's all.
56:35
That's good.
56:36
That's good.
56:37
What was the cool by again?
56:38
Donald Gray Marnhouse.
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That's all.
56:40
Do you have to say it like that?
56:41
Yeah.
56:42
I think that's just my stomach talking.
56:44
You should read that in English accent.
56:45
So it sounds smarter.
56:46
Well, rather than selling our birthright for food, we should, you know, come to the bread
56:52
of life, which is Jesus, and I think that's the ultimate here is understanding what is
57:01
real sustenance, what is real food.
57:05
And man, that's a great quote.
57:07
I love that.
57:08
Yep.
57:09
Well, and before your stomach has a chance to change accents again, we'll go ahead and
57:11
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