THE FORGING TABLE | Genesis 17 & 18 (Ep. 733)

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0:50 This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.

0:54 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

0:56 Let's get into it.

0:57 Welcome back to the Forging Table.

0:58 The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that

1:01 forges spiritual, mental and physical resilience.

1:03 At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience

1:07 by digging into God's Word and we're welcoming all of you to come along in that journey with

1:09 us.

1:10 That's Zach.

1:11 That's Ryan.

1:12 That's Howard.

1:13 But there's something that's missing at the table because normally, and it wasn't just

1:17 the time or not starting because it still hasn't started, but thank you Ryan.

1:22 So this is just going to be a thing now with Ryan's cologne.

1:27 It's just going to be like you don't know how clocks work.

1:29 Do we need to get you all those old school ones?

1:31 That's just like a click and ready to go.

1:34 I don't give any grades for effort unless you get the job done.

1:39 But typically, I've been wearing a beard for a very, very long time now.

1:43 I can't ever really remember, but we've got a little five o'clock shadow thing going on

1:48 with a couple of guys that are almost always clean shaven.

1:50 So Howard and Zach, we got the five o'clock shadow going.

1:53 So Ryan, what exactly is the problem?

1:56 Like why are you just hating on the rest of the table?

1:58 You can't just.

1:59 I'm 90% reformed.

2:00 I can't grow a beard.

2:01 I can't grow a beard.

2:02 Yeah.

2:03 Allopation, man.

2:04 Sucks.

2:05 But have you ever thought about getting, you know how guys go to Turkey and get like implants

2:09 or all that to get their hairline back or all that?

2:10 You ever think about like just getting some hair, you know, injected into your face?

2:14 No.

2:15 No.

2:16 So you don't even get like, you don't even get like like peach fuzz or anything like

2:18 that.

2:19 Yeah.

2:20 Yeah.

2:21 Don't.

2:22 Yeah.

2:23 Don't.

2:24 Well, I'm talking about.

2:25 I mean, I have like three armpit hairs.

2:26 I mean.

2:27 Do you braid them?

2:28 No, they're not.

2:29 They're not that long.

2:30 So I mean, you asked me some personal questions about my hair growth.

2:34 We don't have to go any further than that, Ryan, because I know exactly where you're

2:37 leaning towards.

2:38 No.

2:39 I would just say I don't have it.

2:40 I got one armpit that grows.

2:41 That's it.

2:42 Well, I have to worry about the daily shave.

2:43 I do have to shave.

2:44 I shave this morning, because if I do get a five o'clock shadow, I just look like a pedophile.

2:49 So we were all around my way out of this conversation and now I just really need to

2:54 ask more questions.

2:55 So you can.

2:56 Yeah.

2:57 Go ahead.

2:58 No.

2:59 Go ahead.

3:00 I guess.

3:01 So you can produce a five o'clock shadow.

3:02 I mean, it just grows like right here around my lip and then like right here and then that's

3:06 about it.

3:07 So like I can probably grow a soul patch and I'm really weak mustache, but wait a minute.

3:13 Wait a minute.

3:14 I was not aware of the soul patch thing.

3:15 You can grow a soul patch.

3:16 All right here.

3:17 I could probably grow some.

3:18 Yeah.

3:19 Like why don't we just actually like feel that out?

3:20 Like let's do that because I want to stay married.

3:23 She wouldn't be down with a soul patch?

3:24 No, she thinks it would be.

3:26 I mean, you can't really trust people like that.

3:27 It's like, you know, they're kind of hippies and all that.

3:29 Like the last person I saw with the soul patch was John Travolta and like password swordfish

3:34 and password swordfish.

3:35 What is that?

3:36 You don't remember that with huge.

3:37 You know, John Travolta and he's like a hacker and like, I just thought it was called swordfish.

3:42 Maybe it's called swordfish.

3:43 I don't know that ever saw that the password was swordfish, but yeah, yeah.

3:47 You always have a reversal patch.

3:48 But all I need to need to know from the two you guys here on adjacent or opposite sides

3:52 of the table, it's like what like, it looks like the beard's coming in strong for both

3:56 of you, but then every time I see you, that's as long as it ever gets.

3:59 Is this like a, the wifey doesn't like the look thing?

4:01 Like why don't we grow those things out?

4:03 Let's tuck them into our pants here.

4:04 Like what's what's going on?

4:05 What do you got?

4:06 Howard?

4:07 I just from time to time just don't feel like shaving and I've been on vacation.

4:10 But you shaved up the neck, like you kept the neckline going.

4:13 So it's like, why can't you clean it up a little bit?

4:14 Yeah.

4:15 Why can't we just like keep it going?

4:16 We could.

4:17 But are we, are we going to like plans to is lady wicker chamma?

4:22 She not like, does she not like the beard?

4:24 She didn't give me a hard time on the way out.

4:26 She's like, man, you're looking off a burly.

4:27 I'm like, well, it is one year old.

4:29 That is a compliment.

4:30 No matter how it said, no matter what tone, Zach, what's your excuse?

4:33 My wife loves facial hair.

4:36 Lady Todd, I used to have a goatee back in the day and I decided to just let it grow

4:42 out for a little while.

4:43 Oh, and then first lady, the first lady of undaunted life, get in here, get in on camera.

4:50 She's like, I don't have any makeup on.

4:52 Boo, come on.

4:53 Thank you so much.

4:54 He either does Howard, but he still looks good.

4:56 Yeah, he does look good.

4:57 Shout out to field craft survival for the glass.

4:59 But anyway, keep going.

5:00 Lady Todd.

5:01 That's it.

5:02 She likes facial hair.

5:03 So I'm just messing around.

5:04 No, no commitment.

5:05 I don't think Lady Horn likes hair because she married me.

5:08 Yeah.

5:09 I mean, she fell in love with that.

5:11 I mean, that's an interesting thing.

5:13 You fell in love with the thumb, babe.

5:14 I mean, like literally I would love to see you with hair like I have a picture if I get

5:19 my phone.

5:20 Get your phone.

5:21 Yeah.

5:22 Do you get to the point where it's not comfortable, it's too long.

5:26 It just starts to itch and that's when I cut it off.

5:29 No, no, no, no.

5:30 The thing is is you deal with the itch because I used to do the was it mauvember thing and

5:34 so I could do this ridiculous food man chew and all that.

5:37 Problem is I got pretty sensitive skin and I don't know if you know this, but the courses

5:40 hair I guess on planet earth is like ginger beard hair is like super thick and coarse

5:45 and so when it grows out of my face after I've clean shaven it, it's like it's destroyed.

5:50 My face is absolutely destroyed, but you get done with that beard ish just oil it up like

5:55 something crazy for a couple of days and then you're golden, but if you keep shaven it and

5:59 going down, you keep being right at that precipice of getting like major face itch thing going

6:04 on.

6:05 Yeah, I can't get past it.

6:06 But you can.

6:07 You can't.

6:08 You just oil it up and I will tell you also coconut oil, right?

6:09 So you get like some solid coconut oil, put that on your hands and then put that on your

6:13 face.

6:14 It'll kind of help like soothe it a little bit just the two or three days to get past

6:17 it.

6:18 But we need to see the glory that is currently happening because I've never seen Ryan with

6:22 hair.

6:23 What?

6:24 Dude, I had to hear like John Stamos.

6:26 Oh, that is a nice man.

6:28 Yeah.

6:29 Look at that.

6:30 It was thick.

6:31 Curly.

6:32 That is it.

6:33 Dude, it might get like a, you know, rug put on sometime just recently I saw Joe be with

6:38 hair on Instagram, right?

6:40 Yeah.

6:41 Here, pull that up.

6:42 Pull that up.

6:43 I need these two need to see my phone.

6:44 I got to do it for the viewers that are on YouTube then.

6:46 Okay.

6:47 We'll see.

6:48 We'll see.

6:49 We'll look at the camera over there to see if we can, yeah, see how see if it'll be in

6:50 focus.

6:51 Oh, let's see if we can get that in focus.

6:53 Pull it back a little bit.

6:56 You know what?

6:57 We're just going to post it on Instagram when this comes out.

7:00 You can tell that there's hair.

7:01 I tried to help you guys.

7:02 You can tell that there's hair.

7:03 Yeah.

7:04 Go to Instagram.

7:05 I saw it today.

7:06 I was like, dude, that was a young Joe be.

7:07 Yeah.

7:08 So this is a few months out.

7:09 And he also had like these, these crazy like chops like the side burn things going on.

7:14 That looks like my prom photo.

7:15 I had these ridiculous stupid chops whenever I was in your high school can like have that

7:20 look.

7:21 That was the 90s too.

7:22 Yeah.

7:23 No, nobody pulls chops off unless you're like a Confederate general or something like

7:27 that.

7:28 Like those people are allowed.

7:29 I just, I just loved it by the way, Joe be on, on Instagram, but like you got, you got

7:32 a heart.

7:33 It looks like the dude looks like he's like in, uh, what do you want to call it?

7:38 Uh, what was that movie with Keanu Reeves?

7:41 Look at that.

7:42 Oh, uh, are you thinking about the one with Bode?

7:45 Yeah, with Bode.

7:46 Yeah.

7:47 Point break.

7:48 Point break.

7:49 Dude looks like he's in point break.

7:50 Yeah.

7:51 Look at that.

7:52 Wow.

7:53 I would show it on the screen, but we've already put it.

7:54 Yeah, we've already put it.

7:55 We can't get it.

7:56 So this is something that Joe be posted on what is today.

7:57 So this is January the 11th.

7:59 So guys go back to his post from January the 11th.

8:02 Yeah.

8:03 All of these.

8:04 But yeah, that's the one.

8:05 Look at these ridiculous chops.

8:06 It's like chops and a sunburn.

8:08 It's like the worst possible.

8:10 He told us like a youth [inaudible].

8:13 He does 100% he's wearing cargo shorts.

8:15 Yeah.

8:16 You can't see what he's wearing, but that's definitely, oh, there's like, Hey, bro, Jesus

8:19 loves you.

8:20 Yeah, there's his lovely bride in there.

8:21 So a little school picture.

8:22 And then all right, that's when we see apparently the, he was losing the battle with the hair

8:25 lines.

8:26 We just decided just decided to pick it house a loss of the battle with the gym.

8:29 He's really skinny.

8:30 Now he's all buffed out.

8:31 Oh, yeah.

8:32 And it's just, that or he's really allergic to bees.

8:35 I don't know if they have bees down there in Jacksonville, but all right.

8:37 Cool.

8:38 I kind of forgot there for a second that we are actually recording all this.

8:40 So all right.

8:41 There you go guys in the audience.

8:42 Hopefully you were entertained by that.

8:43 Because if you weren't, you know, you're still along for the ride, but today we are covering

8:46 Genesis 17 and 18.

8:48 So we've been covering a lot of ground over the last several weeks and we're going to

8:50 keep that moving.

8:51 This chapter hurts.

8:52 It hurts.

8:53 It hurts.

8:54 All right.

8:55 Well, let's start the hurt out with you.

8:56 We're going to read the first 14 verses of Genesis 17 Abraham and the covenant of circumcision.

9:01 Let's go.

9:02 We're going to talk about this in detail.

9:05 14.

9:06 14.

9:07 You got this.

9:08 Well, let me get my page ready to turn because I know that annoys you.

9:12 Well, it's not that it annoys me.

9:13 It's that this is what, for anyone that doesn't know what's happening because for years.

9:15 So we have these amazing spiral bound things from cross way.

9:20 So I've got this thing.

9:21 I can't write in Bibles like this.

9:22 Like I couldn't write or highlight in this.

9:24 It just doesn't make me feel good.

9:25 So they've got each book of the Bible.

9:27 So this is Genesis.

9:28 So you've got the scripture here in the ESV on the left and then it's just like journal

9:31 pages right here.

9:32 But what Ryan would do is he would be reading and he would be holding it like this and he'd

9:36 get to any circumcised male who, oh, yeah, I really exaggerated the tongue is not circumcised

9:45 in the flesh.

9:46 And that would be the thing is like there would just be dead air and you know how much

9:49 I love dead air.

9:50 And so I was just trying to help you.

9:51 It's not that it bothers me.

9:52 It said it just doesn't lead to good content.

9:54 That's my response.

9:55 You just said dead air bothers you.

9:56 It does.

9:57 It does.

9:58 And that's why we're not going to have any right now, Ryan.

10:01 So if you would, can you read the first 14 verses with absolutely loved it?

10:04 That's fantastic.

10:05 Let's go.

10:06 All right.

10:07 When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, I am God almighty.

10:11 Walk before me and be blameless that I may make my covenant between me and you and may

10:15 multiply you greatly.

10:17 Then Abram fell on his face and God said to him, behold, my covenant is with you and you

10:22 shall be the father of a multitude of nations.

10:26 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham.

10:30 For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.

10:34 I will make you exceedingly fruitful and I will make you into nations and the king shall

10:38 come from you.

10:40 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout

10:45 their, after you, throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant to be God to you

10:51 and your offspring after you.

10:53 And I will give you into your offspring after you the land of your sord, sord yearnings and

10:58 all the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession and I will be their God.

11:04 And God said to Abraham, as for you, you shall keep my covenant and your offspring after

11:09 you throughout their generations.

11:11 This is my covenant which you shall keep between me and you and your offspring after you.

11:15 Every male among you shall be circumcised.

11:17 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin and it shall be a sign of the covenant

11:23 between me and you.

11:24 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised.

11:28 Every male throughout your generation, whether born in your house or bought with your money

11:33 from any foreigner who is not your offspring, both he who is born in your house and he who

11:37 is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised.

11:42 So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant and any circumcised male who is not

11:49 circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people.

11:55 The covenant, the Old Testament, circumcision, the New Testament, baptism, I think we got

12:21 an upgrade voice.

12:22 You have to go to the bathroom at 99 years old on your own like let alone like get you

12:27 here.

12:28 Yeah, you got to worry about walking downstairs.

12:29 You got to worry about falling over your hover round running out of battery and then

12:31 all of a sudden it's just like, all right, we got, we got to cut things off, cut some

12:35 things away.

12:36 So there's plenty that we can talk to but here but obviously this is a big time because

12:40 we've been talking about Abram this entire time and now we have Abraham.

12:43 I loved the David Brown commentary had a very succinct thing here that in an Eastern context

12:47 which is where we are here, a change of name even a subtle one was indicative of a new

12:53 circumstance in history, rank or religion of an individual.

12:57 And so some people were like, why didn't it need to change?

12:59 Why didn't it change?

13:00 Why didn't it go from like Abram to Larry or like why did it have to be like so close?

13:04 But again, that is just indicative of the context that we're in.

13:06 So let's open up the discussion about Abraham and the covenant.

13:09 I just thought like the whole piece of like, you know, continue with the name thing like

13:14 how truly like Abraham means father of many multitudes, right?

13:19 And you look at Isaac and we'll talk about that later but what it means but, you know,

13:22 throughout these verses or their chapters, how truly meaningful your name is and living

13:28 those out.

13:29 And it's like, I think the kids when we were on vacation said something about, was talking

13:34 to Siri, what is each person's name we were messing around at our in-laws house and they

13:39 said, my name, what's Howard mean and it says Shepherd of the family.

13:43 And it just kind of resonated with me and it's like, it's kind of been on my mind recently,

13:47 like, okay, am I shepherding my home?

13:49 And so reading that into this, it just resonates with you like, okay, what does my name mean?

13:55 And so that really stuck out to me.

13:57 Yeah.

13:58 Before we go too far, let's actually see what everyone's name at this table means.

14:01 So let's start with Howard because you Howard may have just been completely talked out of

14:05 his room and we'll see what baby name or nameberry.com.

14:09 So Howard is a boy's name of, do you know what descent, what language descent it is?

14:13 No, I didn't see.

14:14 Okay.

14:15 It's of German origin meaning high guardian or brave heart.

14:19 That's way cooler than Shepherd.

14:21 Well, I guess, hi, guardian of the home or yeah.

14:24 All right.

14:25 So Howard once, once hugely popular in the top 50 from the 1870s to the early 1950s hitting

14:31 number 24, 1920 has been stuck in get dad granddad limbo for decades, but is showing

14:36 some signs of stirring back to life, along with such formerly fussy names as George and

14:41 Harold, Howard may soon feel baby appropriate, perhaps, with a short form of ward.

14:48 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

14:51 All right.

14:52 But now let's go.

14:53 Let's go.

14:54 Ryan little king.

14:55 Ryan, do you know, little king.

14:56 Okay.

14:57 Let's see what we got.

14:58 Let's see.

14:59 Here we go.

15:00 Here we go.

15:01 Here we go.

15:02 Here we go.

15:03 The name Ryan is a boy's name of Irish origin, meaning little king.

15:04 Ryan's use of a given name was inspired by the surname Ryan, a variation of Irish, Oh,

15:08 Rhian, meaning son of Rhian, Rhian is composed of Irish Gaelic elements, re meaning king

15:14 and and a diminutive suffix.

15:16 Ryan is considered a unisex name.

15:19 That makes sense.

15:20 In the United States, where variant spellings Ryan chick named Kyle, who's famous.

15:25 Kyle Lee.

15:26 Wait, who's a Kyle?

15:27 That's one of them real housewives.

15:29 That's even worse for you.

15:30 Oh my gosh.

15:31 Kyle Richards or something like that.

15:33 Okay.

15:34 The fact that you know that is worse than that Michael walking IMDB.

15:37 Okay.

15:38 Is that on IMDB like the real housewives of Atlanta or whatever it is or whatever it

15:42 is?

15:43 I don't know which one.

15:44 Okay.

15:45 I'm looking at that.

15:46 All right.

15:47 But now just to all right.

15:48 So hey, are you Zach Zachary?

15:49 Is that like your official name?

15:51 Just Zachary Zachary.

15:52 All right.

15:53 Let's see what Zachary's got.

15:54 Here we go.

15:55 Again, baby named DNA nameberry.com Zachary the name Zachary is a boy's name of Hebrew

16:00 origin, meaning the Lord has remembered.

16:04 Did you know that?

16:05 Nope.

16:06 Zachary a top 20 name through the 1990s is now sliding down the rankings though it remains

16:11 in the top 200 with its ancient roots and modern feel.

16:14 It's easy to understand why Zachary has been such a long time winner.

16:17 Okay.

16:18 What'd you find over there Ryan?

16:19 Dude, this is so messed up.

16:20 You know how you talked about today's January 11th.

16:23 So I found Kyle Richards in her birthday's January 11th.

16:25 Yeah.

16:26 Are you serious?

16:27 Yeah.

16:28 Her name's straight up Kyle.

16:31 I never knew that.

16:32 But hey, happy birthday to Kyle Richards.

16:34 Okay.

16:35 Congratulations.

16:36 And Kyle shares a chick name.

16:37 All right.

16:38 But literally that's the only chick that anyone thinks.

16:42 You feel the love between us two.

16:43 There's not a single.

16:44 What actress is the name Ryan?

16:46 What?

16:47 Name an actress, famous person.

16:48 Name Ryan.

16:49 Why does it got to be an actress?

16:50 Meg Ryan.

16:51 That's her last name.

16:53 No one, no one needs to know that.

16:54 Okay.

16:55 Here we go.

16:56 Kyle the lamest of all names.

16:57 All right.

16:58 That was a boy's name of Scottish origin, meaning narrow spit of land.

17:03 I literally have the lamest name at this table.

17:06 Kyle still share it with a chick.

17:08 Oh, it gets, it gets worse because when you use this word, Kyle is still appreciated.

17:13 It's kind of like, yeah, Kyle is still appreciated by thousands of parents each year for its

17:16 combination of simplicity, strength and style.

17:19 It was in the top 20 for the most of the 90s as a Scottish surname.

17:23 It dates back to the 15th century.

17:26 You know what?

17:27 Let's see.

17:28 We're not here.

17:29 So, you know, we were not in our heyday in the late 1800s, early 1900s, boom, around

17:34 the 1990s, around the time that I was named this, we got a nice little bump here, right?

17:39 So we were, what was our highest here?

17:41 We were the number 20, number 18, we were number 18 in 1990, right?

17:46 So Kyle's were number 18, but now we are way down in the 400s.

17:50 But you know what?

17:51 Let's just keep this going.

17:52 What?

17:53 So all of these names are inverted.

17:54 They're all coming down.

17:55 So what are the top names?

17:56 Okay.

17:57 What's happened?

17:58 Well, okay, you know, it's because of ridiculous white people.

18:00 The new thing is let's take normal names and just misspell them or let's take things

18:05 that are just not flat out, not names.

18:07 Like when I hear my sons talk about the kids that are in their classroom, I'm like, that's

18:10 not their name.

18:11 Like, that's got to be a nickname.

18:12 And I'm not going to say any because I know some of the people listening to the show, but

18:15 it's like, these are not names.

18:17 My boys are James and Elijah.

18:19 James is the most popular name of the last like 1000 years or something like that.

18:23 But what do we think are some popular names?

18:25 Why look, it's probably going to be like Liam is probably going to be out there.

18:28 That's everyone's favorite because it's part of a name.

18:30 William's going to be.

18:31 Muhammad Hunter.

18:32 Oh, yeah.

18:33 That's always going to be number one.

18:34 Hunter.

18:35 Really?

18:36 Hunter, it's got to be something dumb.

18:37 And I can't say it because I know people listen to the show and they've got kids with

18:39 dumb names.

18:40 But that's the thing is like, most people will just take normal names and just misspell

18:43 them.

18:44 Oh, yeah.

18:45 And it's just like what?

18:46 I don't know if that's an Oklahoma thing too.

18:47 That is.

18:48 No, it's just a thing thing.

18:49 And it's just like you're literally making their first day of school and every time they

18:52 order coffee, a horrible experience, because no one will ever spell their name right.

18:56 Okay.

18:57 Let's go to the again, we're on nameberry.com popular names.

18:59 We're so far off of what we're supposed to be covering today.

19:01 Okay.

19:02 Number one, Liam is number one.

19:05 Let's just do the top 10, Liam, number one, Noah, Oliver, James, Elijah, they're literally

19:12 right next to each other, Mateo, Theodore, Henry, Lucas and William.

19:19 And I got a William.

19:20 Okay.

19:21 And let's just go ahead and do.

19:22 Let's just do the top 10 for the girls.

19:23 This is as of 2023, Olivia, Emma, Charlotte, Amelia, Sophia, Mia, Isabella, did all these

19:30 have to end in a Ava, Evelyn and Luna, Evelyn, that's making a comeback.

19:35 Okay.

19:36 Evelyn's coming right back.

19:37 That's so trajectory.

19:38 All my kids, but Henry were named after like family members, so Henry's middle name is

19:42 named after my father-in-law.

19:44 But just to point out, I always thought Kyle was a cool name.

19:47 You can even ask Ladyhorn because she'll tell you like, I was like, call me Kyle.

19:51 And it's because of that movie, Stealing Harvard with Jason Lee and Tom Green, they're getting

19:55 ready to break into this place.

19:57 And he's like, we need to have code names.

19:58 We can't use our real names.

19:59 He's like, call me Kyle.

20:00 Well, the problem is, is like Kyle, the name Kyle is a meme on the internet to it's someone

20:05 that apparently only drinks monster energy drink and wears affliction shirts and just

20:09 like goes crazy.

20:10 It's like, it's got to be someone named Kyle, like this was what was in a baby, baby bottle.

20:14 But here's the thing, there are, so according to name Barry, they update these monthly.

20:19 So we're, we're so far down the rabbit hole, we're just going to keep going right now.

20:22 So as of this month in 20, or I guess would have been 2024, the last month they updated

20:27 it, the number one boy name, according to name Barry is luxury.

20:31 Oh, God.

20:32 Who named it?

20:33 Kanye West luxury.

20:35 Then we got Silas, Felix, Finn with two ends, Theodore Arlo, not, not Argo Arlo.

20:43 Okay.

20:44 August, Rowan, Milo and Ezra.

20:47 Good Lord.

20:48 All right.

20:49 And then here are the top girl names as of the last month.

20:53 How do you pronounce that?

20:55 Maeve?

20:56 Maeve.

20:57 I think it's Maeve.

20:58 Maeve is a name.

20:59 M-A-V-E.

21:00 Maeve.

21:01 What is that?

21:02 Eloise.

21:03 Eloise.

21:04 Eloise.

21:05 Eloise.

21:06 Eloise.

21:07 Eloise.

21:08 Eloise.

21:09 Eloise.

21:10 Eloise.

21:11 Eloise.

21:12 Eloise.

21:13 Eloise.

21:14 Eloise.

21:15 Eloise.

21:16 Eloise.

21:17 I'm still offending people in the show.

21:18 The top ten girl names.

21:19 Eloise.

21:20 I'm in girls' name.

21:21 I'm dealing with it.

21:22 Okay.

21:23 Oh, you know what we'll skip to the end.

21:24 Number ten is Hazel.

21:25 Is it really?

21:26 Okay.

21:27 'Cause I wanted a name.

21:28 If Henry was a girl, I wanted a name in Hazel.

21:29 Okay.

21:30 Well, all right.

21:31 Let's go from Hazel and we'll work our way to number one.

21:33 Hazel's number ten.

21:34 Unique is number nine.

21:35 Unique.

21:36 This is like growing up a lot.

21:39 This is like growing up a lot.

21:41 It's a little backwards.

21:42 Charlotte is probably the only normal name.

21:44 Luna.

21:45 Violet.

21:46 Aurora.

21:47 And then now these are all just like, these are all just like in nonsense.

21:51 Lo-dee.

21:52 Elodi.

21:53 I think it's a Lo-dee.

21:54 E-L-O-D-I-E.

21:55 Elodi.

21:56 Elodi.

21:57 Elodi.

21:58 Elodi.

21:59 Elodi.

22:00 Elodi.

22:01 Elodi.

22:02 Elodi.

22:03 Elodi.

22:04 Elodi.

22:05 Elodi.

22:06 Elodi.

22:07 Elodi.

22:08 You're probably right.

22:09 You think like these people.

22:10 That's nuts and stuff.

22:11 No, 'cause you're nailing it.

22:12 What was the one?

22:13 Eloise.

22:14 Eloise.

22:15 Eloise.

22:16 Elodi.

22:17 M-A-E-V-E.

22:18 That's like Verma.

22:19 What's that show called?

22:20 The boys that got Queen Maeve.

22:21 I think that's why it's making a comeback.

22:22 Maeve is a girl's name of Irish origin, meaning she.

22:27 Meaning she who intoxicates.

22:30 Maeve.

22:31 We're not, we're not, we're not to lots daughters yet.

22:35 Yeah.

22:36 No, oh boy.

22:37 Maeve is a short and sweet name that has become one of the most stylish Irish names for girls

22:41 in the modern U.S.

22:42 Maeve would make an excellent first or middle name choice with more hefty than a lot of

22:46 men than Maeve or Mae one ending with an E and one ending with a Y, the more modern charm

22:51 than Maeve's.

22:52 Maeve's making a comeback in the X-S.

22:55 Bye.

22:56 I got to be honest with you.

22:58 I have no idea how we got off on the name thing.

23:00 Was it just Howard?

23:01 No, it's Howard.

23:02 Yeah.

23:03 Sure fall.

23:04 You said what your name meant.

23:05 Yeah.

23:06 And then I went down the rabbit hole.

23:07 Boy.

23:08 Oh boy.

23:09 A paper hand.

23:10 Sorry, Joe.

23:11 Yeah.

23:12 Sorry, Joe.

23:13 Yeah.

23:14 Yeah.

23:15 Yeah.

23:16 There's a part.

23:17 Yeah, go ahead.

23:18 Go ahead.

23:19 For me blameless.

23:20 That really stuck out to me.

23:21 Why is that?

23:22 Because you know how you talk about Joe being blameless?

23:24 And so like God tells Abraham at the time to walk before him blameless.

23:30 What does that mean?

23:33 I put a question mark by it.

23:34 So it's hoping like somebody.

23:35 What verse are you looking at?

23:37 It would be in verse one.

23:42 Seventeen.

23:43 Yeah.

23:44 When Abraham was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to Abraham and said to him, I'm God almighty.

23:48 Walk before me and be blameless.

23:50 The word blameless is sometimes translated perfect, but it does not mean sinless for

23:54 that would be an impossible goal for anyone to reach.

23:57 Yeah.

23:58 It means single-hearted without blame, sincere, wholly devoted to the Lord.

24:01 In Exodus 12, 5, the word refers to the perfect sacrifice without blemish.

24:05 It was a call for integrity.

24:06 So do you think God's kind of telling him walk before me, blameless, walk before me

24:10 because I know your faith is sincere?

24:14 I'm sure that's part of it.

24:15 I don't know.

24:16 I just saw blameless and it just really popped out to me.

24:19 Well, it's definitely a contrast to what we know is possible.

24:22 I mean, it's difficult to be blameless in a fallen world.

24:25 I guess this is saying that it's a call for integrity.

24:29 So then maybe it's difficult for us to be sinless in a fallen world, but can we be blameless

24:34 in regards to our walk with Christ and the fact that we're sincere in it, but we're going

24:41 to sin?

24:42 Y'all keep that going.

24:43 I'm going to open up Logos and a little word study and break down on that.

24:48 But yeah.

24:49 So what it has to do with the intentions of the action, because some people, you might

24:53 be blameless because it wasn't not an accidental sin, but not on purpose, like inadvertent, I

24:59 guess.

25:00 Yeah.

25:01 Sorry, old laptop.

25:02 Trying to get this logos going.

25:03 Do you have yours open?

25:05 Ryan?

25:06 Yeah, I got mine open.

25:07 Yeah.

25:08 So if you can do a word like just highlight blameless, well, to your point, it says to

25:11 be sincere, holy devoted to the Lord, single hearted.

25:16 Talk about purity.

25:18 That's what it's saying in Logos.

25:23 That blameless means purity.

25:25 Yeah.

25:26 I guess I could see that if we're faithful, he's going to take care of that purity part

25:31 in the blameless part.

25:32 That's why he says, walk before me, blameless, so when you walk before me, you're walking

25:38 in purity.

25:39 So it's kind of like, oh, I didn't mean to interrupt you, go ahead.

25:40 I was just going to say, what's the verse that we see?

25:42 It's all over the church.

25:44 What have I asked of you to be humble and walk in just as you talk about Micah 6, 8?

25:51 Yeah.

25:52 And it says, I think, in...

25:53 Walk humbly and do good.

25:55 And do justice.

25:57 I may have lost my thread on that one.

26:00 Hold on.

26:01 Moving from the Logos here on blameless, the term blameless has multiple meanings and

26:04 applications across different contexts and biblical and religious texts that often refers

26:08 to a person who is morally upright without sin and living in accordance with divine laws.

26:13 Concept of blamelessness is closely associated with being complete, perfect, and free from

26:17 fault or blemish.

26:18 It can also denote someone who is honest, devout, and of integrity.

26:21 In some context, being blameless is linked to ritual cleanliness and purity.

26:25 The idea of blamelessness is often presented as an ideal state to strive for with various

26:30 religious contexts, encouraging followers to pursue a blameless life.

26:33 However, it is important to note that achieving perfect blamelessness is often seen as a challenging

26:38 goal with some theological discussions acknowledging the difficulty of attaining the state completely

26:43 in human life.

26:44 So I think, yeah, again, it goes to what our striving is.

26:47 And this is a synopsis that's coming from Jeremy Thompson.

26:51 It's coming from the Lexam analytical lexicon of the Septuagint, this is coming from Augustine

26:56 of Hippo and Carl Dinik, that's where we get some of the commentary here on this.

27:00 I think what I'm seeing from that now is that we're now talking into him taking the

27:07 act of circumcision into the covenant.

27:09 And so I think him doing this action of circumcision makes them blameless before the Lord because

27:14 they're taking the covenant in.

27:17 That would be my thought after hearing that.

27:20 Well, if I'm getting circumcised, I'm definitely wholly devoted to the Lord and sincere.

27:24 Especially in 99.

27:26 Yeah, you don't casually do that.

27:28 That's not raising your hand at a church camp.

27:30 Imagine if that's what came next.

27:32 Who wants to be blameless?

27:34 Yeah, there are two lines that I bet the, I'm getting saved in the rededication lines

27:38 are going to be a little bit different.

27:40 What's the risk?

27:41 Yeah.

27:42 This is going off the rails entirely.

27:44 This is how it goes though.

27:45 This is normal.

27:46 This is real life.

27:48 Anything else on, well, I guess, I mean, we can obviously talk about the covenant, but

27:50 I mean, we're kind of talking about it in just, but, you know, when it talks about a particular

27:56 people being chosen, I don't think there were people that were raising their hands unless

28:00 they had fervent belief, you know what I mean?

28:02 This is not a casual thing because you can casually join a Bible study.

28:05 You can casually become a member of a church, unfortunately, with kind of how modern churches

28:09 go.

28:10 A lot of modern churches don't even have membership, but, you know, you can be very casual in things

28:14 and never actually make a dedication, and that's when you get these people that will

28:17 have that crazy experience, that run-in with the Lord, that near-death thing.

28:21 And then also, it's like, oh my gosh, I've been doing Christian stuff all this time, Christian

28:26 seeming stuff, but I wasn't actually dedicated.

28:28 And again, I don't think it's like, okay, if we were circumcising people during worship

28:32 services and modernity that it would not be, yeah, we didn't turn on.

28:36 No, it's on.

28:37 I just can't see it.

28:38 Yeah.

28:39 Yeah.

28:40 We're at nine seconds.

28:41 Pause.

28:42 Don't look at me.

28:43 I'm looking at you.

28:44 It was supposed to be your responsibility.

28:45 For all of you not watching this on video, but yeah, it seems like maybe if there was

28:48 more dedication, I mean, it's kind of what we talked about a lot on this show.

28:51 It's like, we try to make Christianity, like we shouldn't create barriers of entry for

28:55 people, but like we put the bar so low for individuals where they have a low view of

28:59 what being a Christian actually is.

29:01 They have a low view of sanctification.

29:03 They have a low view of, you know, being reconciled to God.

29:06 They have a low view of the Bible of reading scripture because we're just like, oh, yeah,

29:10 just raise your hand, you know, after the concert, you know, we're all going to be good

29:13 to go.

29:14 And we shouldn't chastise people for making a movement towards Christ or showing that,

29:17 hey, I'm doing this like you don't need to be evaluating people's fruit a week into their

29:21 walk with the Lord.

29:22 Like that's probably bad news.

29:23 So if you're John MacArthur listening to this, you know, chill out a little bit on the fruit

29:26 talk.

29:27 But you know, that's important, important discussion as well.

29:30 I just thought on chapter seven, it's interesting and the commentary I was just reading.

29:34 It's like none of this was on Abraham.

29:36 It was all initiated by God, you know, he took that step and how he talks about it being

29:42 an everlasting, not just for Abraham, but for all of his generations to come for all

29:47 of his seed.

29:48 And it's not just Abraham that's going to make that continue on.

29:51 God's going to take that initiative and continue that initiative on.

29:54 So I think so many times we put it on ourselves to do those things, but God's going to be

30:00 faithful to his covenant.

30:02 And it's a reaffirmation of the first covenant when God himself went through the two or the

30:07 slice, you know, animals, eventually fulfilling the curse himself on the cross.

30:13 Yeah.

30:14 One, it's a different thing.

30:15 I feel like because in the New Testament, it's like, Oh, grace your faith.

30:17 You're good to go.

30:18 And then there's kind of like this cheap grace thing.

30:19 But here it's like, no, you know, walk, walk before me and be blameless, like have purity,

30:24 have innocence, be guiltless here.

30:26 Like that is the standard.

30:28 The point is, and I have Wes Huff made this point whenever he was on the Joe Rogan experience,

30:32 when he was trying to explain the law to Joe.

30:34 This was, you know, three hours into the podcast, but he's like, look, the law is a mirror.

30:39 Have you ever tried to clean off your face with a mirror?

30:41 Like it just smudges everything around the law can't clean you.

30:45 It can't clean you up.

30:46 It just shows you how dirty you are, the word, the, you know, that we would use would be

30:50 depravity, like how depraved you are.

30:52 So it's just a different, different thing to focus on.

30:54 But again, that we do have standards.

30:56 There's too many Christians that are just way too cheap with the grace that's been afforded

31:00 to them and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross because they just decide I'm going to

31:03 live however I want to live because I've got grace and I'm in grace.

31:06 But, you know, obviously that's not, not a good plan.

31:08 And I think it's really answered my question in the fact that this covenant allows him

31:12 to walk in purity.

31:14 Just like we walk in purity now because of the grace of Christ and his new covenant from

31:19 dying on the cross for us.

31:21 And so now we can walk blameless through him.

31:24 And these guys were able to walk blameless for the fact that they were circumcised and

31:27 they were under the Abraham and covenant.

31:29 Right.

31:30 Yeah.

31:31 I mean, if you've truly been saved, it says that God disciplines those that he loves,

31:36 just like you would discipline your son.

31:38 So I don't think that's something that's going to be prevalent for a long time.

31:41 I think God's going to start to work in your life against that.

31:43 We're going to see, we see that already here with Abraham.

31:45 I mean, he went through, you know, he had, I don't know if you would call it cheap grace,

31:49 but he made some bad mistakes, you know, that when not having faith in God and like look

31:53 what happened to his lineage because of that, you know.

31:57 That's right.

31:58 If you could read Genesis 17 going Howard, if you could read 15 and then just finish

32:02 out Genesis 17, so that's 15 through 27.

32:07 Abraham fell face down.

32:09 He laughed and said to himself, will a son be born to a man a hundred years old?

32:13 Will Sarah bear a child at the age of 90?

32:16 And Abraham said to God, if only Ishmael might have might live under your blessing.

32:21 Back up to, I may have misspoke with the start of 15.

32:23 Okay.

32:24 Yeah.

32:25 Start at 15 and then go.

32:26 Abraham, as for Sarah, your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarah.

32:31 Her name will be Sarah.

32:32 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her.

32:36 I will bless her so that she will be your mother.

32:39 She will be the mother of many nations.

32:41 Kings of people will come from her.

32:43 Abraham fell face down.

32:45 He laughed and said to himself, will a son be born to a man a hundred years old?

32:49 Will Sarah bear a child at the age of 90?

32:51 And Abraham said to God, if only Ishmael might live under your blessing.

32:56 Then God said, yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son and you will call him Isaac.

33:01 I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after

33:06 him.

33:07 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you.

33:09 I will surely bless him.

33:10 I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his number.

33:14 He will be a father of 12 rulers and I will make I will make him a great nation, but my

33:19 covenant I will establish with Isaac, who Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.

33:25 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

33:29 On the very day, Abraham took his son Ishmael and all of those born in his household are

33:35 brought bought with his money, every male in his household and circumcised them as God

33:40 told him.

33:41 Abraham was 90 years old when he was circumcised and his son Ishmael was 13.

33:46 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised that very day and every male in Abraham's

33:52 household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner was circumcised

33:59 with him.

34:00 So I have a question back on 17, the neighbor, him fell on his face and laughed and said

34:04 to himself, shall child be born to a man who is a hundred years old.

34:08 I saw different things here.

34:09 When I do a word study here in Lagos, the word laughed here is something in Hebrew that

34:13 I'm not even going to try to pronounce, but it means laugh, joke or dally with.

34:18 And so, because some people were like, okay, he was laughing because he was doubting God's

34:23 direct communication like, dude, are you serious?

34:25 There's no way.

34:27 Or some people said it was a laughter of delight where you're just like, giddy with laughter.

34:31 You're like, oh my gosh, that's going to be so awesome.

34:33 I'm going to have a kid.

34:34 Did y'all get any read on that?

34:36 What kind of laughter were we looking at here?

34:38 I don't write something that was more about Sarah with that.

34:48 I remember reading something about it, but I think the laugh was more of a like, yeah,

34:51 right type of laugh, you know, like not a laugh of joy and faith, but a laugh of seriously,

34:59 I'm a hundred years old, like that can't happen.

35:02 Oh, I've read something that says this was a laughter of amazement, like, oh my gosh,

35:07 like really not necessarily a doubt.

35:11 Yeah, anything on yours?

35:14 Which one are you referring to here?

35:15 This is weird.

35:16 I read something, but I think it was more referring to her and her response.

35:21 I don't see anything specific about his actions.

35:24 She has a laughing matter later.

35:26 Yeah.

35:27 Let me, I'm looking through Moody here real quick, but I do know Isaac means laughter.

35:31 Okay.

35:32 So there you go.

35:33 All right.

35:34 I mean, do I need to go to nameberry.com?

35:35 Nameberry.

35:36 We have.

35:37 We have the right name.

35:38 Yeah.

35:39 Apparently Howard is nameberry.

35:40 Fell in his face, but instead of worshiping God, he laughed asking instead that Ishmael

35:45 be confirmed as his heir and inherit the promise.

35:49 That's what Moody says.

35:50 So rather than a worshipful laugh, it wasn't, it wasn't forever.

35:56 Yeah, it wasn't a reverent laugh.

35:58 And then because he even follows it up with, well, what about Ishmael?

36:01 Like I already have an heir.

36:03 So I don't know if it would be a laugh of amazement.

36:07 Okay.

36:08 According to Moody, what does he know?

36:11 Yeah.

36:12 Okay.

36:13 Well, anything else on this, this section of Genesis, as we wrap up our discussion of

36:16 Genesis 17, before we get into 18, the one thing I did want to say is in verse 22, when

36:22 he had finished talking with him, God went up from Abraham, oh wait, but I will establish

36:26 my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this time next year.

36:31 That's very specific.

36:33 And so we haven't seen this specificity with a guarantee from God yet with, with Abraham.

36:41 I don't think that God is making adjustments to how he communicates so that Abraham gets

36:45 it.

36:46 But it's like, all right, I've been somewhat vague.

36:48 And then you banked Hagar.

36:49 All right, man, we need to, let me be a little bit more explicit here.

36:52 All right.

36:53 Stick with me for another year.

36:54 I'm going to be giving you Isaac.

36:56 So it is interesting.

36:57 And I agree with you, I think God is actually blessing a marital union here.

37:01 And in the fact that that the Isaac is going to be a part of the actual marital union of

37:06 Abraham and Sarah, rather than some, excuse my language, [inaudible] child.

37:12 So I mean, that's what Ishmael was, you know?

37:16 And so it's like, no, this is the true heir.

37:19 And so like, you know, God didn't have plans for Ishmael to take over.

37:23 You know, they created that plan, not God.

37:26 So the one thing I was going to say too was that, you know, we talked about, we talked

37:31 about, I think we talked about it last week is how do you know, you know, when God's calling

37:35 you to do something or, you know, that action should be taken and it's like Abraham here

37:41 was faithful.

37:42 It wasn't like, hey, I think you probably need to get circumcised.

37:44 It was like, this is what I'm calling you to do.

37:47 And he was faithful immediately.

37:49 And that calling for us is like, when he does reveal that, we need to act.

37:53 We don't need to, you know, sit around and maybe, let me just think about that one more

37:58 week.

37:59 And it's like, may it happen?

38:00 Yeah.

38:01 It's probably pretty nuanced though, right?

38:02 You know, whenever you're in one of those situations, there's lots of nuance and maybe

38:05 you may have to, may set some goals.

38:08 Why do you do that to me, Zach?

38:10 You know what?

38:11 Let's back up just a little bit.

38:12 Let's bring the audience up to speed.

38:13 Zach loves doing this.

38:15 Like I will ask something in a group text.

38:16 And as everybody knows at this point, there are words that I hate that I think need to

38:20 be deleted from our vernacular hush, wait a minute, may, maybe should could might.

38:26 There are certain circumstances where that is an okay thing to say and do.

38:30 But if the question is, will you be there at seven and you say, I may be or I might,

38:36 you have not answered my question.

38:37 I am stuck with the same level of information as I had before, except I do know that you

38:42 are currently alive because you did send a message.

38:44 So it's like, it's crap or get off the pot, man.

38:46 Will you be there by seven?

38:47 Yes or no?

38:48 In a row.

38:49 I said, maybe about lunch.

38:50 Not Zach.

38:51 Wait.

38:52 No, you said may.

38:53 No.

38:54 No.

38:55 All right.

38:56 So I hate both of you.

38:57 It's kind of what I'm saying because what Zach, oh yeah, that's right.

38:59 That's right.

39:00 Because Zach will just show up.

39:01 He will not commit and then he'll just walk onto my back porch.

39:04 No.

39:05 And then things changed.

39:06 And then I got back and said.

39:07 But you don't update anybody.

39:08 You just show up.

39:09 What did I do?

39:10 I texted.

39:11 You texted.

39:12 So he said.

39:13 In that one.

39:14 We're gonna think about in that one instance.

39:15 Yeah.

39:16 Let's talk about memory.

39:17 Let's talk about black and white.

39:18 Let's go memory.

39:20 Hey, I just should go.

39:21 I'm good to go.

39:22 Oh, so that one time that's indicative of you not just like surprising everybody on

39:26 the back porch.

39:27 That would definitely be there.

39:28 But I've got lunch plans and then I put back, I'm in.

39:31 I can be there at noon.

39:32 Hey, I can read receipts too that are the the one time that it didn't happen a certain

39:37 way.

39:38 Yeah.

39:39 I'm not talking about the gray areas.

39:40 Here's your push.

39:41 Dad, gummy.

39:42 This is not new ones.

39:43 Just black and white.

39:44 Yeah, black and white.

39:45 Man, you're working in the nuanced world.

39:46 You want to move on?

39:47 Yeah.

39:48 I'm turning over to New Leaf right now.

39:49 Enough black and white talk.

39:51 Enough declaratives.

39:52 Let's just.

39:53 Anybody who's good at nuances is this guy.

39:55 He's like, what if we live in this world and this happens?

39:57 No, but what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to nuance our way into black and white thinking

40:01 because it's like, hey, in this universe, you're not understanding me.

40:05 So let me create this entire parallel universe where we can evaluate this thing.

40:09 Right?

40:10 Let's pretend this never happened in Captain America.

40:12 What do we call with Captain America?

40:14 It literally drives Ryan so nuts, but the thing was, is I didn't know it drove you nuts

40:18 and just like a small child.

40:20 Now that I know it drives you nuts, I try to come up with even more scenarios.

40:24 But now what?

40:25 The Hitler one.

40:26 That's the one.

40:27 Oh, I was like, who just says Hitler in the middle of the sentence?

40:29 Yeah.

40:30 I mean, yeah, if y'all don't know what I'm talking about, it's the baby Hitler thing.

40:32 This is a thing that made Joby squirm.

40:34 I've never made Joby squirm, but like that was the, you know, the thought experiment I

40:37 gave them.

40:38 And it's again, it's very specific, right?

40:39 You don't get to change the scenario, but it's like, if you are transported back in time

40:44 and baby Hitler is sitting there in the crib, do you have a moral obligation to kill him,

40:49 right?

40:50 That's the scenario.

40:51 And people are like, well, no, I would steal him and I would raise him and I would cheer

40:53 the gospel.

40:54 Nope, nope, nope, nope.

40:55 You get to go back in time.

40:56 You've got a hammer and it's either we're taking it.

40:59 I know.

41:00 Yeah.

41:01 Yeah, I went there.

41:02 Man, the nuances.

41:03 Maybe not a hammer.

41:04 What should it be?

41:05 Not a hammer.

41:06 What should it be?

41:07 What should it be?

41:08 What should I kill?

41:09 Pillow.

41:10 Yeah.

41:11 Okay.

41:12 So we're going to smother baby Hitler.

41:13 We've got one pillow and you've got one shot at it.

41:16 You're going back for 60 seconds.

41:17 Do you have a moral obligation to kill baby Hitler?

41:20 I'm not opening that necessarily up to the table, but that is the thought experiment because

41:23 it just tells you a little bit about where someone's morality is and how far they think

41:27 things like this.

41:28 I feel like the answers were a little different.

41:30 Chandler answered immediately.

41:31 Yeah.

41:32 Chandler's like killing that baby.

41:33 Yeah.

41:34 Josh Howard's in the same thing.

41:35 He said he's smoking the baby too.

41:36 I think Josh went and he's like, I'm grabbing the baby by the ankles and I'm banging it up

41:39 against the wall again because this is not a baby.

41:41 This is Hitler.

41:43 No, it's a baby.

41:44 No.

41:45 Just give it 60 years.

41:46 And then it's Hitler.

41:47 Okay.

41:48 But I will say the people that the emails I got, oh my gosh, the emails were absolutely

41:53 incredible because people were like, well, what if Hitler was actually not nearly as

41:58 bad as who would have been in power and I'm like, you know what, I'm going to take my

42:02 chances.

42:03 Six.

42:04 You're saying there's going to be someone who's going to kill more than six million

42:06 Jews.

42:07 You're saying there's going to be someone that's not going to bring the world into a world war

42:09 where tens of millions of people will be died will be died will be killed or will be casualties

42:14 or injured or something like that.

42:15 It's like, I'll take my chances that the person that would have been there instead of eight

42:18 off Hitler was not going to be nearly as bad.

42:20 So they took your what if and morphed it into a different what they they morphed it in.

42:24 Yeah.

42:25 They morphed it in a way where they are changing the entire scenario to saying that, okay,

42:30 in this exact, in this exact setting, we don't know what could have been, what could have

42:34 been worse.

42:35 So you're thinking you're adding a ripple to this.

42:37 We're not adding a ripple.

42:38 You know why?

42:39 That's why because if you want to have your own scenario, create your own show and create

42:43 your own scenario.

42:44 Right, Ryan?

42:45 Tell me all the time.

42:46 You know that.

42:47 Everybody wants to be playing.

42:48 Why did you have that personally?

42:49 Your show?

42:50 Why did you platform them?

42:51 Maybe because it's my show.

42:52 I never said that.

42:53 You said shivering his guy.

42:54 And I was like, don't.

42:55 I didn't say you.

42:56 Okay.

42:57 And I agree with y'all's assessment upon further reflection.

42:59 That's why I sent it to y'all to begin with.

43:00 We'll leave the person nameless.

43:02 Yeah.

43:03 I don't want to platform him.

43:04 Right.

43:05 Well, actually, I don't know who said it.

43:07 I mean, we're talking about the person, but I don't know who said it, but they're like,

43:09 the best case scenario is still not a good scenario where you have the guy on the show.

43:13 You smoke them, you embarrass them, you get some clips, but it's like, it's still not

43:17 edifying in the least bit.

43:18 And I was like, yeah, you know, the only reason I wouldn't see him on your show is so you

43:21 smoke him.

43:22 Yeah.

43:23 And I was like, there's nothing good about that.

43:25 Probably not the most edifying thing whatsoever.

43:26 But any other thoughts on Genesis 17 before we move on to 18, going once?

43:31 Nope.

43:32 We're good.

43:33 Going twice.

43:34 Zachary.

43:35 If you wouldn't mind.

43:36 What's your name mean again?

43:37 Here's how to cool one.

43:38 Remembered by God.

43:39 Mine is like a small, stupid piece of land.

43:41 Okay.

43:42 So Mr. remembered by God.

43:43 Let's go ahead and read.

43:44 We're going to do the first 21 verses of Genesis 18 and the Lord appeared to him by the oaks

43:49 of Mamre and he set at the door of his tent in the heat of the day.

43:54 He lifted up his eyes and looked and behold, three men were standing in front of him.

43:58 When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth

44:02 and said, Oh Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant.

44:08 Let a little water be brought and wash your feet and rest yourselves under the tree while

44:13 I bring a morsel of bread that you may refresh yourselves.

44:16 And after that, you may pass on since you have come to your servant.

44:20 So they said, do as you have said, and Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said,

44:25 three C is of fine flour, need it and make cakes and Abraham ran into ran to the herd

44:35 and took a calf, tender and good and gave it to a young man who prepared it quickly.

44:39 Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared and said it before them and

44:44 he stood by them under the tree while they ate.

44:46 We're going on.

44:48 Yeah, go through 21.

44:50 They said to him, where is Sarah your wife?

44:52 And he said, she is in the tent.

44:53 The Lord said, I will surely return to you about this time next year.

44:57 And Sarah, your wife shall have a son.

44:59 And Sarah was listening at the tent door behind him.

45:02 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years.

45:05 The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

45:08 So Sarah laughed to herself saying, after I am worn out and my Lord is old, shall I have

45:14 pleasure?

45:15 The Lord said to Abraham, why did Sarah laugh and say, shall I indeed bear a child now that

45:21 I am old, is anything too hard for the Lord?

45:25 At the appointed time, I will return to you.

45:27 And about this time next year and Sarah shall have a son, but Sarah denied it, saying, I

45:32 did not laugh for she was afraid.

45:35 He said, no, but you did laugh.

45:39 Then the men set out from there and they looked down towards Sodom and Abraham went with them

45:44 and set them on their way.

45:46 The Lord said, shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, seeing that Abraham shall

45:51 surely become a great and mighty nation and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed

45:55 in him.

45:56 For I have chosen him that he may command his children and his household after him to

46:01 keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice so that the Lord may bring to Abraham

46:05 what he has promised him.

46:07 Then the Lord said, because of the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their

46:11 sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according

46:17 to the outcry that has come to me and if not, I will know.

46:21 So the laugh language that we get here from Sarah, it is the exact same word that was

46:26 used.

46:27 So it's the exact same word in the Hebrew and the Greek.

46:29 And so this is a sneering, right?

46:31 So this is a loss of faith.

46:32 This is like there is no way.

46:34 So this is not a positive thing.

46:36 A few little things that I wanted to point out before we got into this discussion on those

46:39 first part of Genesis 18.

46:41 So in verse two, it says that he ran from the tent door.

46:45 So if it were an ordinary visitor in this time, it was customary for the host to just rise.

46:50 So the host would be seated and the host would rise to acknowledge that a new person is shown

46:53 up.

46:54 But if the visitor was of superior rank, they would actually go the direction of the guest.

46:59 And so the fact that he ran from the tent door to meet this person shows that this person

47:04 was of tremendous value, right?

47:06 So this, all of that was meaningful, but I missed that whenever I read it until I started

47:10 digging into commentaries.

47:12 Verse seven, where it talks about, hey, go and take a calf, that was a sign of high hospitality.

47:17 That's about as high as the sign could have gotten.

47:19 David Brown pointed out about verse nine, where is Sarah your wife to inquire about a woman,

47:24 a man's wife was incredibly disrespectful in this time period.

47:29 And it was incredibly uncommon unless that person was a superior, right?

47:33 So these are all things that are just kind of driving home that the guest is seen as very,

47:37 very superior.

47:38 And then obviously we get into Sarah, she's listening in on this, and she is doubting about

47:43 as much as Abraham is like, this is not going to happen.

47:46 And this is, this is years after Ishmael is already on the scene.

47:50 And so a lot happening in this first batch of Genesis 18, can I go over before we get

47:53 into Sarah's graph, notice that God came midday, like he came and sat with him at the hottest

47:59 part of the day.

48:00 And like when they're, when they're going to, when he's going to meet with him, he stays

48:05 from midday to evening, because like when they're cooking that cow, that cow's not going

48:09 to be done.

48:10 You know, right then it's like smoking a brisket, you know, like it's, it's going to take a

48:14 couple hours.

48:15 So he's out there.

48:16 Sorry.

48:17 I think we need to pause when we smoke in briskets here, Zach, you got anything to say,

48:23 anything you want to admit to all the people listening, I love brisket, man, I love brisket

48:26 too.

48:27 So what's your method of cooking brisket?

48:29 How's that normally?

48:30 I said, normally go for it.

48:31 Ryan brought it up.

48:32 Fast and hot, fast and hot.

48:35 So one of the funny things, so like all kidding aside, all kidding aside, we all love Zach

48:40 here.

48:41 Zach is a very smart person, but the impatience he has with a single category of life is incredible.

48:48 Because one day he sends a message to our little, our little forging table tech screw, because

48:52 I do briskets.

48:53 Ryan does briskets.

48:54 Like everybody kind of does brisket and you ask us for our methods and kind of how long

48:56 we take.

48:57 And you know, Ryan and I, apparently we both took the bait.

48:59 We thought you actually were curious about what we were going to do and that you were

49:02 going to actually do that in your own life.

49:04 And so we give you our methods a little bit different.

49:06 Like I've got, you know, from my competition buddy, you know, Ryan's just done a bunch

49:09 of briskets.

49:10 And then you just take all that, you go, thank you guys and you basically immediately crumble

49:14 it up and throw it away because you started a brisket at like three o'clock, nine o'clock

49:18 in the morning.

49:19 Yeah.

49:20 And you're like, Oh, we're going to have this for dinner tonight.

49:22 It's like, Zach's never done a brisket before.

49:23 And so in all of Zach's infinite wisdom, it's getting closer to dinner time.

49:27 And your thought is, let's turn this up from 225 to about eight million degrees and let's

49:32 just go and finish it and then it's like, Hey, how'd your brisket turn out?

49:36 It's like, yeah, I was really dry.

49:37 It's like, yeah, that is a 16 pound beef jerky.

49:40 Yeah.

49:41 That's what you turn that into.

49:42 Settle.

49:43 So what?

49:44 Not like you're for laser.

49:45 So do you just not like waking up?

49:46 I mean, if you wake up and put that thing on around like May four in the morning, I have

49:49 an egg.

49:50 I have an egg.

49:51 I've actually tried multiple things.

49:52 I've tried to do long short all last every single time it's horrible.

49:56 So I'm, I think it's the, I think it's the method.

49:59 I got to get a different type of, well, so the interesting thing is, is like maybe next

50:03 time you ask, like people that do briskets and all that, like, yeah, either invite Ryan

50:07 over me over or actually listen to what we tell you to do.

50:09 And then it might turn out differently.

50:10 I will tell you, if you're doing an egg, that's like a 74 hour process to get that thing set

50:14 up and ready to go.

50:15 Well, we'll do it.

50:16 We'll rectify it.

50:17 Cause I'm going to keep this for another few months.

50:18 Then I'm going to get rid of it.

50:19 See, so my process is when I'm going to do a brisket, I go buy it and I bring it over

50:23 to Ryan's house a couple of days before we're going to have it.

50:26 And then we schedule the night he cooks it and I come over and enjoy the whole thing.

50:29 Love how that's actually a lie because you have never been to a grocery store because

50:34 when I was at your house for dinner, you admitted to as much as since you've been married.

50:38 You've not gone to a grocery store.

50:40 Been to the meat market.

50:41 Yeah.

50:42 I don't know.

50:43 So do you go to the meat market and pick up your briskets or do you send your lovely wife,

50:45 lady, wicker, shambock.

50:46 We buy, we buy a steer and have a butcher and put it in their refrigerator.

50:50 So it does the same with his ribs too.

50:52 He's like, I was like, bring them over.

50:54 Yeah, I got to bring them over.

50:55 I thought he was kidding.

50:56 He really does that.

50:57 Our buddy, our buddy, JC, like I do hit, I've done his like Thanksgiving turkey a couple

51:00 of times.

51:01 Like you losers.

51:02 Do you throw me?

51:03 What is wrong with y'all?

51:05 Do yourself.

51:06 I do my steps.

51:07 Hey, I do it for free.

51:08 Oh, that doesn't matter.

51:09 That doesn't matter.

51:10 You got to know how to do these things, guys.

51:11 You eat together.

51:12 Yeah.

51:13 Well, you can eat together, but you got to know how to do it on your own.

51:16 Yeah.

51:17 Super bowl.

51:18 Those ribs are good.

51:19 Yeah.

51:20 Let's go back to the Bible.

51:22 All right.

51:23 Let's do that.

51:24 So just think about the time that God came and spent with him at this point, because I

51:27 believe at this point, this is God sitting with him.

51:30 Am I wrong in this?

51:31 Why does it say the Lord this time?

51:33 And then previously we thought it was Christ and it's the angel of the Lord, because this

51:38 time it was like actual like they from what I read that it was God in human flesh.

51:43 I read the same thing.

51:44 Yeah.

51:45 So like not God the son when they use when they use the word Lord is supposed to be able

51:50 to be used as Adonai.

51:52 So and this is this is Yahweh.

51:54 The word used here is Yahweh proper name.

51:57 So this is not Christophany where it's like the pre incarnate Christ, the son of God in

52:01 the Trinity.

52:02 This is like straight up this is like God.

52:04 This is why he was like go make some cakes like in our case, if like he came to Kyle,

52:09 Kyle would be like I got a brisket and go get some protein balls.

52:14 You know.

52:15 So good.

52:16 So let's go.

52:17 But yeah, but that's the thing he's like he realizes it's God.

52:20 And God comes in like the hottest part of the day.

52:23 Like this is the worst part of the day to want to hang out with anybody.

52:26 You know, like usually you want to come hang out with your friends when it's nice and cool

52:28 outside and have a cigar and and whatnot, but like no, he comes in midday and he sits

52:32 with him.

52:33 And from what I read in the moody is it's God showing empathy to Abraham.

52:36 You know, he's like, hey, he knows he's dealing with this stuff with his faith.

52:40 The fact that he's old and he doesn't think that, you know, he'll be able to bear a child.

52:44 He has empathy and he comes and he sits with him and he dines with him and he eats with

52:47 him and he reiterates his covenant with him.

52:49 As you were saying that, it made me think, I thought this is where you were going to

52:52 go with that.

52:53 The woman at the well, like when, when did the Lord come, come to her?

52:56 It was like in the middle of the day, whenever she was there in her shame, where she didn't

52:59 want to be because nobody's going to be there midday.

53:01 Nobody wanted to be there.

53:02 And so I just thought it was really cool looking at the patience and the love that God has,

53:07 you know, and it's just like, like I said, like in other episodes, it's like, man, if

53:13 we could just model the patience that God has, like it's just, it's a beautiful thing.

53:17 Plus we're reading about him fulfilling what he said he was going to do.

53:20 And I think later on, different part of the commentary, it's he had to wait so that he'd

53:25 be glorified when they were as good as dead before that they would have a child and he's

53:29 drawing everybody's attention to that in a very formal way.

53:33 That's right.

53:34 Okay.

53:35 We're, we're running a little short on time because I've been patient.

53:37 So that's my fault.

53:38 I should have been impatient this whole time and just moving us along.

53:40 But let's go ahead and close out.

53:42 I forget who's read last.

53:43 So we'll take a volunteer for this last section here.

53:45 So let's do 22, this is just 18, 22 through 33, Ryan's got it.

53:49 So this is Abraham interceding on behalf of Sodom.

53:53 So they've been turned from there and went towards Sodom, but Abraham still stood before

53:56 the Lord.

53:57 And Abraham drew near and said, will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

54:02 Suppose there are 50 righteous within the city.

54:05 Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the 50 righteous who are in it?

54:11 Or be it from you to do such a thing to put the righteous to death with the wicked so

54:15 that the righteous fair as the wicked far be that from you shall not the judge of all

54:22 the earth do what is just.

54:24 And the Lord said, if I find at Sodom 50 righteous in the city, I will spare the whole

54:30 place for their sake.

54:32 Abraham answered and said, behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord.

54:36 I am, I who am but dust and ashes, suppose five of the 50 righteous are lacking.

54:43 Will you destroy the whole city for the lack of five?

54:46 And he said, I will not destroy it if I find 45 there.

54:50 Again, he spoke and said, suppose 40 are found there.

54:53 He answered for the sake of 40, I will not do it.

54:56 Then he said, oh, let not the Lord be angry and I will speak.

55:00 Suppose 30 are found there.

55:01 He answered, I will not do it if I find 30 there.

55:04 He said, behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord.

55:07 Suppose 20 are found there.

55:09 He answered, for the sake of 20, I will not destroy it.

55:11 And then he said, oh, let not the Lord be angry and I will speak again for this, but

55:16 this once.

55:17 Suppose 10 are found there.

55:19 He answered, for the sake of 10, I will not destroy it.

55:22 And the Lord went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham and Abraham returned to

55:26 his place.

55:27 So this is an interesting part of scripture.

55:29 Some people look at this as kind of laborious.

55:31 It's like, why are they giving us a detailed description of this one?

55:34 It wasn't a couple of weeks ago.

55:35 We were like, we wanted more descriptions of this battle and we got like nothing.

55:37 We basically got.

55:38 We got gladiator toad.

55:40 How did you turn that fantastic movie into a verb?

55:43 All right.

55:44 No one got gladiator toad.

55:45 But you know what?

55:46 I'm going to show you patience and grace and all those positive things that just moved

55:50 right past it.

55:51 But the word used because it kept talking about righteous, righteous, righteous.

55:54 The word here, you know, we're talking about right, innocent, just in the right, upright.

56:01 In this entire way, it's giving you a sense of what is happening in this city.

56:05 Okay.

56:06 Cause we've all, I think, been in some depraved situations, maybe we've had a group of friends

56:09 that were kind of busters.

56:10 We've been, we've worked at places where we had some people that have some very challenging,

56:14 they had challenges with morality, we could say, but have we ever been in a place?

56:19 Cause you know, it's easy to poke fun at, you know, Amsterdam or Seattle or Los Angeles

56:23 or New York City or any of these, you know, Portland or anything like that.

56:27 But don't you think that they're like, we know for certain there are Bible believing

56:30 wonderful Christian people in all those areas, right?

56:33 They are pushing back darkness on the front lines of it, right?

56:36 They're getting like rainbow dildos, throwing out a mother trying to just get a sermon out,

56:39 you know what I mean?

56:40 Like, what?

56:41 What?

56:42 I just wanted to make Zach look disappointed and check did that, but like, that's the thing

56:46 is like, these are people in the front lines.

56:47 And so yeah, they could find 50.

56:49 They could find 45.

56:50 They could find 20.

56:51 They could find 10.

56:52 That's the point.

56:53 You can't.

56:54 Right.

56:55 No one is righteous.

56:56 And so not even a lot is righteous.

56:57 So he's trying to intercede for his family lot.

56:59 And that's why it keeps going down.

57:00 He's like 50.

57:01 He's like, yeah, if there's 50, well, he knows there's not 50.

57:04 And then he gets down to 10.

57:06 He's like, yeah, if there's 10, but God knows that nobody is righteous.

57:09 That's why we needed Christ Jesus.

57:11 That's why we needed the real sacrificial lamb because nobody was righteous.

57:15 Now does God spare a lot?

57:17 We'll find out.

57:18 But the thing is, is this shows us our total depravity doesn't give us righteousness.

57:23 Righteousness is a gift.

57:25 Not something earned.

57:26 Well, let's push back for just a second on that.

57:28 So Abraham says.

57:30 He was sure there was at least 10 believers in Sodom and Gomorrah.

57:33 And you're talking about righteousness.

57:35 And it says that Abraham was counted as righteous because of his faith, right?

57:40 So if you say believers, well, that this is in a commentary.

57:43 Okay.

57:44 But I guess long story short is, are you saying that in Sodom, there weren't 10 people who

57:50 were righteous because they believed in God or you saying that there weren't 10 people

57:56 that were, you know, sinless or, or what's the distinction to trusted?

58:01 There wasn't 10 that trusted.

58:03 They didn't like lot didn't really trust in God.

58:05 I don't believe.

58:06 I think God, I think God does count him righteous.

58:10 And we see that later.

58:11 I think in Peter, I'd have to go back and look when we get to that, that chapter, but, but

58:17 the thing is is like that if you, if you look at lot, lots of the only one, you know, because

58:22 if we talk about his wife, his wife was more than likely from Sodom, his daughters grew

58:26 up in Sodom, you know, so there's not 10, you know, there's, like, and that just goes

58:32 to show us that we're not righteous and we're only called righteous because of God, because

58:37 of that gift.

58:38 And then God gives him that gift by the angels coming to pull them out.

58:42 This thing is interesting that, that Abraham, I don't know if this is a context to pull away

58:46 from it, but, you know, Abraham is interceding for those he loves.

58:51 Yeah, you know, for our application, are we interceding to this extent to God for, for

58:56 those we love?

58:57 I mean, it would be, I don't know, it'd be hard for me to go to God.

59:02 If I'm Abraham here, like, and kind of keep arguing with him and almost, hey, well, okay,

59:08 you did that now.

59:09 Will you do this?

59:10 And so, you know, at what point does God go like, okay, you're pushing the limits here.

59:16 Yeah.

59:17 But he kept pushing.

59:18 So that's, for us, are we doing that same thing?

59:21 Are we pushing for him?

59:22 He's pushing an alignment with God's will because he would want to save righteous people.

59:26 At least that's what, because that's, that's what the commentary say, but, but yeah.

59:30 Well, it's a different context than when we started our conversation fellows in early

59:35 Genesis 17, where it talks about, I'm God almighty, walk before me and be blameless.

59:40 That's not the same here because blameless, this is, you know, complete sound.

59:43 Whereas righteous, it's just saying, you know, it's, you're in the right.

59:47 You're acting in an upright manner, an innocent manner.

59:50 So I don't think it's talking about, as we've kind of already established, blamelessness

59:54 as, as it pertains to sin, because we know that that's not possible, the side of glory.

59:59 But the other thing too, is we got to understand is lots and sod them.

1:00:03 He's not to circumcise either.

1:00:04 He's not a part of the Abrahamic Covenant.

1:00:06 True.

1:00:07 So he's not even walking blameless, let alone righteous.

1:00:11 Because I, yeah, I acknowledge that in addition, like, because the question is going to become

1:00:17 why destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, like why would God do that?

1:00:21 Because technically you could say, according to the law, there's no one that's righteous

1:00:26 anywhere on the planet in any city, what is especially depraved about Sodom, the people

1:00:32 of Sodom and the people of Gomorrah, because they are explicitly talked about throughout

1:00:36 here.

1:00:37 I mean, we go back to, well, was it a couple of weeks ago?

1:00:39 Was it in 13?

1:00:40 Wicked sinners.

1:00:41 Sorry, I'm just, we're doing it alive.

1:00:44 Yeah, so Genesis 13, verse 13, now the men of Sodom were wicked great sinners against

1:00:50 the Lord.

1:00:51 I mean, this was, you know, weeks ago, and this is kind of years ago here in this context,

1:00:54 like this is a well-known thing.

1:00:55 But according to the righteousness of God, there's, I mean, there's not a single righteous

1:01:00 person in any city anywhere on the planet at this time.

1:01:02 See what I'm saying?

1:01:03 So it's like, what was so unrighteous about these people to where we had this like seeming

1:01:08 negotiation between Abraham and God?

1:01:11 And that's the thing, like you come, I'm sorry, go ahead, do you think, I don't, this is kind

1:01:15 of a thought, like, do you think Abraham wanted God to save Sodom, or did Abraham want God

1:01:20 to save a lot in his family?

1:01:22 You would think he would have been more explicit, like, hey, please don't kill a lot.

1:01:26 Yeah.

1:01:27 Like that kind of thing, as opposed to doing this, this kind of meandering, recircutist

1:01:31 way to get to the exact same place, I think, maybe, I'm sure Abraham knew of Sodom and how

1:01:37 bad they were.

1:01:38 So, you know, I don't know, just a thought I had about.

1:01:41 He wouldn't take the king's ransom, you know?

1:01:43 Yeah.

1:01:44 So he, they knew Sodom was wicked.

1:01:45 I think what he comes down to is, well, you make the question, you ask the question, why

1:01:49 did God do this?

1:01:50 You know, like, people are going to ask the question and question God.

1:01:52 And I think it comes back to Job when Job questions God and says, hey, why did you allow

1:01:57 this to happen?

1:01:58 You know what he says?

1:01:59 Girl, you're there?

1:02:00 Yeah.

1:02:01 Did you create the world?

1:02:02 You know, like, who were we to ask?

1:02:04 You know, God's God's got a reason he wants to take out Sodom and Gomorrah and he takes

1:02:07 out Sodom and Gomorrah.

1:02:08 This frames him as one of the intercessors, and there's a bunch of those in the Bible,

1:02:13 but it says Abraham did not want to see all those people die and be lost forever and God

1:02:17 is not willing that any should perish.

1:02:20 And it says, you know, explicitly that I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but

1:02:24 that the wicked turn from his way and live.

1:02:27 So intercessors must have compassionate hearts and a deep concern for the salvation of the

1:02:31 lost, no matter what their sins may be.

1:02:33 So at least this commentary is saying that he's the man of the hour in God's plan right

1:02:37 now.

1:02:38 And he's, you know, concerned for everybody and certainly his family, I would assume.

1:02:42 Before we end, though, there's something I did want to bring up because I know we're

1:02:45 running low on time and I kind of miss this in the first half of 18.

1:02:49 In verse 19, it says, "For I chosen him that he may command his children and his household

1:02:55 after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice."

1:02:59 So I want to bring up the word chosen because I kind of looked that up because I actually

1:03:03 looked it up just in case Kyle was going to come at me with some covenant stuff.

1:03:06 I never asked about that.

1:03:07 Yeah.

1:03:08 So what you're talking about.

1:03:09 But no, but what I thought fascinating about it is by chosen, it means he knows him.

1:03:14 Like he knows him.

1:03:15 And there's three ways that being known in the Bible is used, especially there's one

1:03:21 way that we'll talk about more in chapter 19 of Genesis, but there's one is knowledge

1:03:25 or information that is knowing, two is sexual intercourse through knowledge of person.

1:03:31 And then three is God's throne knowledge of an individual by the Holy Spirit.

1:03:35 And so at this point, you'll notice that they use the word chosen because they want to interact

1:03:41 that third one, that God knows him internally via his faith and his spirituality.

1:03:47 But when we get to chapter 19, we're going to be really focusing on the second one because

1:03:52 a lot of people will come back and say, well, they just wanted to have knowledge.

1:03:56 They thought they were spies because they want to make light of or not make big of what the

1:04:01 real sin in Sodom was.

1:04:03 Yeah, no, there was a bunch of different words for chosen that are used throughout scripture.

1:04:07 This is one of the least common ones.

1:04:10 Again, no notice here of learn reveal be or so that's not used very often in the scriptural

1:04:19 in the canon.

1:04:20 So I thought it was interesting.

1:04:21 Yep, I agree.

1:04:22 Guys, other thoughts on Genesis 17 and 18 before we wrap?

1:04:25 I think the last thing I just thought of that really stood out and it stood out through

1:04:29 all these chapters is how God continues to reaffirm his promise.

1:04:33 As he reaffirms that promise, sometimes we think to ourselves, why does he need to have

1:04:38 those promise so often?

1:04:40 We're the same way.

1:04:42 We just need that.

1:04:43 I think God uses that in our lives to keep us where we need to be and talks about in

1:04:49 Romans, faith comes by hearing and we have to continue to hear those promises over and

1:04:55 over again in our lives.

1:04:56 He's faithful to do that, whether we are or not.

1:04:59 Yeah, look at the entire story of Abraham, God is constantly reminding me, hey, I got

1:05:02 you man.

1:05:03 You will have an air.

1:05:04 I got you.

1:05:05 You got an air.

1:05:06 He got impatient.

1:05:07 Sarah got impatient.

1:05:08 Sarah, I got impatient.

1:05:09 And then we obviously see we're in the downstream consequences of that now.

1:05:11 All right, guys, we're going to have to leave it there, but come back here next week where

1:05:14 we're going to be digging into Genesis 19.

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