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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the forwarding table. The mission of Undaunted Life is
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equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual mental and physical resilience.
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At the forging table you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience.
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All right. Cut that out on the edit. Landon, it's because I had to hit the button.
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Yeah. I just tracked him. You know what, leave it in. You know what, Landon, leave it in. I'm going
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to leave it in for our editor. That's Zach's fault. That's why we messed it up. But I'm going to
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take it from the top. Should I take it from the top or should I go from the middle, Zach?
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Okay. You mess it up. So yeah, I guess you just tell me what to do.
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I don't care. Okay. We're just going to go from the middle.
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At the forging table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience by
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digging into God's Word. And we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us.
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That's Zach. That's Adam. That's Jake. Guys, today, the last three weeks we've done two chapters
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of Genesis 3 chapters of Genesis and then two chapters of Genesis. But we're back down to one.
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Okay. We're going back to our old ways, but I will tell everyone in the audience that throughout
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Genesis, there are going to be times where we're going to be covering multiple chapters.
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So just keep in mind, you know, if you don't listen through the end of the episode, you won't know
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next week exactly how much ground that we're going to be covering. So do keep that in mind.
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But guys, we're going to get into the call of Abram. So right from the beginning here,
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we will take a volunteer to read the first nine verses of Genesis 12. Whoever would like to hit
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it. Ready, set go. Dibs, there's no hard names here. Now the Lord said to Abram,
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go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.
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And I will make of you a great nation and I will bless you and make your name great
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so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and him who dishonors you,
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I will curse and end you. All the families of the earth shall be blessed.
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So Abram went as the Lord had told him and Lot went with him. Abram was 75 years old when he
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departed from Huron and Abram took Sarai, his wife and Lot, his brother, son and all their
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possessions that they had and gathered and the people that they had acquired in Huron and they
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set out to go to the land of Canaan. When they came to the land of Canaan, Abram passed through the
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land to the place at Shechem, to the oak of Mora. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.
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Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said to your offspring, I will give this land.
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So he built there an altar to the Lord who had appeared to him. From there, he moved to the
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hill country on the east of Bethel and pitched his tent with Bethel on the west and I on the east
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and there he built an altar to the Lord and called upon the name of the Lord and Abram
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journeyed on still going toward the world or toward the Negeb. So going toward the Negeb.
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This is one of the biggest promises in the entire Bible that a great nation is going to be
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established through this single person. And there's nothing here that tells us exactly why this person
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or what qualifications they had to be the number one overall draft pick. There's nothing really
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like that that we see with Abram. But the ESV study Bible, which again guys, I get asked a lot
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like what version of the Bible do you study? But then it's like what Bible should I buy?
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I personally am a fan of English standard version. I think at this table right now we have ESV,
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ESV, ESV, and NIV. And so like if you're an NIV person or NASB person or all that, you're still
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good. Just like something like the message that is not a translation, that's an interpretation of the
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Bible. So you have to be incredibly careful with something like that. But the ESV study Bible for
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my money, like, you know, sent for sent is the best Bible on planet earth because you get the ESV
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version, but you're also getting the notes. And the note from verse two is great nation,
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which is the word used in or the phrase used in verse two, stands in stark opposition to
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Sarah's barrenness, right? Because we're about to read. Yeah, exactly. As soon as I read that,
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I was like, yeah. And so when I take notes from other places, I'll bring them over here to my
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notes. So it's easier to recall them on the forging table. But you have to think about that.
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And then I want to kind of open it up for discussion. Dale Brisbane was on the show last year. So he's
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kind of a rodeo personality guy. And he and I talked about this off air. But then we talked about it
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on air. His mom, he's, I think he says took a vacation for a couple of years. Like she basically
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abandoned their family for a couple of years. But his father stayed unbelievably faithful that
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it would work out in the end. Like, and he said, I just saw my father through this entire situation.
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I just could not believe the faith that he showed that mom was going to come back.
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And here's the thing is we already know the end of the story. His mom was gone for two years and
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then she came back. But while they were going through it, his dad didn't know that. He didn't
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know it was going to be two years. And so when I was at, because again, where we record these
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well in advance, I was doing an event with Church 1122 every year, they do something called encounter.
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It's a hunting experience where Jake, you asked last week about, you know, how can you get close
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to God? And here we are. All these guys were at this plantation and we're all doing, you know,
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when we're white tail hunting that guys, this may be the first time they've ever been in the
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woods. But you know, we send them out there, not with entertainment, we send them out there with
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the devotional. And so they're reading through the devotional material. They've got stuff that
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they can write down, they've got prayer and all that. And so it's kind of the first time that they're
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close to God. I was out there at this camp and there's one guy that, you know, brought some weights
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and all that. So we got to work out in and he's a real strong guy. His name's Hunter Hanks. And,
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you know, so we're deadlifted and we're doing all that kind of stuff. But then it's like, all right,
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well, you're, you're, you're kind of a beefy deadlifter guy and, you know, I can deadlift a
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little bit, but not as much as you. But then it's like, I'm going to wait till the end and then I'm
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going to bring you into my world, which is spreads, you know, just explosive cardio. Like, you know,
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I'll tell you we have one more, but actually it's 10 more and I'm just going to go until you die. And
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like, that's just kind of the things that I like to do for fun. But I asked him a question, this is
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all going to correlate and come together, I promise. I asked him a question at the end because my
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sprint workout is the warm up is 640 r dashes with basically no rest in between 420 r dashes,
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410 r dashes. And then the the workout is 10 100 r dashes with only 30 seconds rest in between.
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So it's literally 100, you take 30 seconds rescue back, starting life, and then another 100 and you
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do that 10 times. But the last one with the last rep, I look at Hunter, and we're, I mean, we're
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on a country road. And so we're just, you know, we're guesstimating how far that tree is away and
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all that kind of stuff. I say Hunter, are you willing to sprint until I tell you to stop?
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Are you willing to sprint without knowing the distance? And he laughed immediately realized I
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was serious and goes, yes, I'm willing to do that. I said, okay, well, I will run beside you at your
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pace, and you will stop when I say, and he was like, bet, let's go. In a lot of ways,
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that's what God has given the scenario to Abram, right? To Dale Brisbane's dad, it was, okay,
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we're going to sprint here, you know, basically where you have to be patient and know that I am
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God, but you don't know how long it's going to go because it's one thing to say, hey, are you
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willing to sprint 300 yards? Because it ended up being about a 300 yard sprint with the last 40
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being on a hill, right? He didn't know that. But in his head, he's like, I just agreed to sprint.
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I don't know if we're going to go 50 meters or a mile, right? But he had already agreed that I'm
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going to sprint. And so that's the thing that was just overwhelming to me when I was rereading the
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story of Abram and the call of Abram is God's basically saying, dude, I got you. I just need
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you to put your yes down, right? Give me your yes, and I will take care of the rest. And if
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if anyone knows the story of Abram, that's not exactly how it worked out. But that's where I
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wanted to start this discussion, because as much as I got checked him, whenever I put him through
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that brutal workout, and it's brutal, even worse, because mentally you don't know how far you have
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to go. But this is life in a nutshell. And that's just at least how I experience and how I live it.
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I feel like God has asked me in a lot of ways, hey, I need you to put your yes down. And then
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we'll deal with the details later. And that is a scary proposition. So just wanted to throw that
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out there to kick off the discussion. Yeah, I think probably all of us here can point to a
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situation where I think maybe God has asked us to just sprint, if you will, and not know really,
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when we're going to stop, what the destination is. I know for me, and I think I may have shared
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this story on the show before, but I remember- We get new listeners every week, so feel free.
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Good. So for me, whenever I was about eight years into my public accounting career,
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I had worked crazy. I mean, I was working 3,000 hours a year. And I was in the eighth year, and I
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was trying to move up and working at a huge firm. And I remember going- I'd lost my mom that year,
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and I was just devastated. Then go through a busy- Maybe the roughest busy season I'd ever been
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through. And I start just going like I'm quitting. I'm done. I think they finally broke me. I've
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worked more hours than ever. Miserable. I'm going to go see what else is out there. I get an offer
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from another decent-sized firm. To come over there, they were going to give me more money,
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had a path to partner, and I just was like, "Oh, great. Awesome. Get this offer. Take it to my
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partner at the firm." And I was like, "So I have another offer." And he goes, "Oh." He's like,
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"Well, it was a Friday when I went talk to him." I said, he goes, "Can you let me have the weekend
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to see if there's anything we can do to keep you?" I said, "I owe you that. I owe you that."
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So he goes home that weekend, and I come home from my wife. I was like, "Well, I showed
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the offer to Mike, and here's what they're doing." And she's like, "Jake, you're making a lot of big
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decisions here. You prayed about it." I said, "No." And she goes, "Don't you think you ought to?" I
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said, "Yeah." So I walked into our room. I tend to pray alone, as I've said to Kyle before. The
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scariest thing she can say to Jake Winkler is, "Jake, will you please pray for us?"
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Make sure he does that every time I get the chance, for sure.
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But I tend to pray alone, and so I went and prayed, and I just felt like God was really just
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reiterating. You stay. And I was like, "Stay?" I mean, okay. So I came out of the room, and Stacy's
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like, "Okay." And I was like, I looked at her and I go, "I have to stay." And I messaged the... Now,
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the natural inclination there would have been like, "Well, he's gonna go try and get me more money,
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maybe get a promotion, whatever." And I just go... I went and got my phone, and I texted him
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immediately. I said, "Hey, just want to let you know. I've prayed about it. I'm staying." And you
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don't have to give me any more money or anything, nor promotion. Like, if you were waiting on a
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response, don't worry about it. I'm staying. And I just was like, "This sucks. Like, I don't want
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to be here." And then... But I was like, "Okay, well, maybe God has a purpose for me here." And
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I don't... I will... I am not lying when I say the next two years were rougher than the previous three.
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Work more hours, more stress, more politics, more drama, just not fun. And then COVID hit, and then
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I ended up getting, you know, passed over. And then I was... got passed over for a promotion again.
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And I was just like, "I'm stuck. I'm stuck. I don't know what I'm gonna do."
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And so during COVID, I just started reaching out to random people, not for job hunting. I was
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just like, "I'm stuck. I'm not going anywhere." And I was just talking to random people that I was
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just catching up. And I actually called one of my previous mentors who was a partner at the firm
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before me. He had retired and then was working remotely from Costa Rica because he had the greatest
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life ever. So I call him and just like, "So, how's it going?" He goes, "Well, it's going pretty good."
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He goes, "How's things going at RSM?" I said, "Oh, man, it sucks." I'm miserable. He goes,
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"Well, would you be interested in hearing about another opportunity?" And it's where I'm at now.
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But even then, whenever I was just like, "Oh, I'm gonna take it. I'm gone." Stacy goes,
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"Did you pray about it?" And I just felt very clearly like when I prayed that time,
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God was saying like, "This is why I told you to stay." And as I've said on here before,
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I don't know why he has me here. I don't know if I'm going to be greatly humbled
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or if I'm going to have a great success. I don't know. But either way, it's what God wanted.
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And so I have to be thankful for it. Well, and I think because I would love to hear
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from Adam and Zach certainly. But to even tee you up, Adam, because I'd like you to talk about this,
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but you can ultimately talk about whatever you want. Because just so everyone knows out there,
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I didn't preempt anybody with where I wanted to go with this discussion. I just thought it'd be
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interesting for us to kind of work this out. And I think you've probably talked about this on the
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show before. I think it may have been at a former foraging table. But I mean, we have listeners that
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have never heard a single episode. This is the first one they ever listened to. So it's okay for
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us to repeat stories from time to time because they're helpful. But obviously, you are working
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at your father's firm. You're also a CPA like Jake. And you had your life mega planned out.
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And all of those plans had to do with your dad being alive. And all of a sudden, very suddenly,
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your dad was no longer alive. And again, just as a side note, that's like when guys are like,
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Kyle, what's your five to 10 year plan for on Don? And I just giggle. I'm like, bro, I'm doing
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things with undaunted that I didn't even think were existed six months ago. And like, I think
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God looks at our long term plans and is like, that is so cute. That is so unbelievably sweet.
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I got something different for you because it makes no sense from a logical point of view
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or from a business point of view, like any mentor of yours in the business space, any secular
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mentor would have been like, you have to do this, Jake, you're here and run yourself into the ground.
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But for Adam, I would like for you to talk about that because you were very young in your career.
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You didn't have the sway that you certainly do now. And all of a sudden you walk into the office,
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your dad had just passed away and you got a bunch of people looking at you like,
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is this the kid that's going to keep us all to where we can live indoors and eat food?
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So take it from there. Yeah, man, I was 30 years old at the time. It was almost 10 years ago,
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30 years old, a firm of 10 people. And I'm one of the youngest guys in the door,
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almost everybody at the time working at the firm is older than me. My dad was 60 years old,
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unexpected and just passed away one day gone. And we had just hired my best friend who was going to
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come because we had so much work. We didn't know what to do with that. We brought in my best friend,
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who worked with me at PricewaterhouseCoopers. He took a job at KPMG and was an internal audit.
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So he had just made a giant switch from North Carolina to come to Oklahoma to do small business
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accounting. So he was way out on a limb. And the goal was to make him partner eventually,
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three to five years down the road. And I had just gotten into the partnership myself at 30 years old.
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I'd started at PricewaterhouseCoopers when I was 24. So I was six years in. And I was not ready
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to run a firm. And I remember walking in after burying dad and having to talk to the staff and
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be basically tell him, stay with me. I don't know where we're going, but we're going to do the
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best that we can. And then I remember meeting with every single client and we lost a substantial
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number of clients because I wasn't dad. And who's this 30 year old kid who I've never met?
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I'm not going to trust them with my finances or trust them to prepare my tax return. So
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I mean, it was a difficult time for sure. Not ready to be 30 years old running a firm. And
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something that I created in that moment that I don't know if I've mentioned on the show before,
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but I've mentioned a lot of people's I have had this list on my phone. And it's I call it the
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things I've survived list. And this is all related to work. And I've got 13 things on here. And so
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these are things that I would list as when they were happening. I thought he was over. You know,
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doors are closing. Clients are gone. Life is over business. So if I'm going to be looking for a new
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job, so this is something I would encourage everybody to do because it's easy to forget
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all of these things that we've survived and just live in the now and be like,
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I don't know how many to get through this. I don't know how many to get through this. I go
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look at this list. And I look at it. Oh, well, that was way worse. This was worse. I thought
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this was for sure going to be the end. And like, if I can get past my dad passing away and being
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30 years old and not knowing how to run a firm, not know how to do any of those kinds of things,
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nothing else can be as difficult as that was, you know. So that's what I'd say about that.
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I mean, what that what that is. The flood recedes, right?
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Right. And what that list is, Adam, is that is a that is a narrative of resilience. And because
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so there's another concept that I give to guys, because you know, every now and then I come up
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with something and someone's like, Oh my gosh, that's the thing that this is something that is
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landed with a lot of guys. It's the concept of I've seen me do that before. And so I always describe
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it in the context of of physicality, because that's easiest for most of us to understand,
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because we either do that or we don't. There's not really a whole lot of them in between.
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But let's say you go to the gym. So if you work out, like most people out of global gym or something
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like that, so you go to the gym and you just don't feel well that day, right? So maybe you didn't
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get a lot of sleep tonight before had a bad day at work. You know, you're coming home to a wife
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that's not really satisfied with you, like y'all are fighting or something like that. You get to
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the gym, you kind of like, you know, go through the motions for about 15 minutes and you just go,
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you know, let's screw it. I'm out of here. And then you just leave, right? Well, you've seen
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you do that before, where you go to the gym, you know what you're there to do, and you cut it off
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a quarter of the way in a fifth of the way and something like that. You've seen you do that before.
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But given the same circumstances, you go to the gym and you finish your workout,
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you've seen you do that before before, like, like you've seen you do that, right? With these sprints.
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So that sprint workout that I described earlier that I did with Hunter at Hunt Camp,
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that's the same workout I do here. And I also do the same thing to myself at the end where I run
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a much longer final sprint. And a lot of times I'll do that workout after lifting. So after squatting
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or after deadlift. And so I'm already dead. And yet here I am, you know, sprinting, which, you know,
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no one likes to run, no one likes, and worse, no one likes to run fast. And so, but if I've ever
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quit on that, I've seen me do that before. And so if you've seen you do something over and over and
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over, it's easier for you to continue doing that thing. But if the thing you've seen you do over and
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over and over is not finish or quit or to wuss out, then it's going to be easier for you to continue
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that behavior. However, if you've been resilient and if you've overcome, you've seen you do that
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before. And so you go to that list and what, you know, Joby has encouraged guys to do is a
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gratitude list. Like you have a list on your phone. You have at least one thing that you are grateful
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for for every year that you're alive. And it can be everything from as big to your salvation,
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your marriage, your children individually by name. Or there's things on my list like,
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I love opening day baseball. I like UFC nights that I like being able to hunt at Adam's land.
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You're land. I like, you know, being able to do backports cigar and whiskey nights. Like,
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and so it's an entire breath of things. But it's like, look, I have 38 minimum things that I am
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grateful for. But man, what a tremendous thing to have in the notes section of your phone as well,
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to like, Hey, here's the crap that I got through, right? Here's the stuff that I've seen me do that
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before and to do that before thing was I got through it. So yeah, I love that, Adam.
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Yeah, I have a tendency. I'm glad that you mentioned earlier that your wife encouraged you to go
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pray because that is that is a weakness of mine. And I hope, Jake, you feel the same way that I do
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putt possibly in that. I feel like I have to come up with the answers. And I'm not trying this,
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this sounds awkwardly self edifying or self, you know, self gratifying that I can figure this out.
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But that is my weakness. I feel like when I'm presented with a problem, or, you know, I need to
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find the solution, I'm going to figure it out. I rely on myself way more than I should. Well,
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not turn this into a mini therapy session for the CPS. I would say honestly, I think it's a lot
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to do with what we do for a living. I mean, the amount of times people just turn to you for answers,
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whether it be tax planning for you or, you know, we've got a problem and we don't know what happened
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for me. I do the, I work on the other side. So financial planning, I mean, I tell people all the
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time, I'm a, when I tell them I'm a CPA, they were, you know, they immediately jump to, oh,
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why have a tax question? It's like, I don't know anything about taxes. I know nothing. And
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the amount of anxiety that gives me, because it's like, I know you're looking at me and I should
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have answers for this, but I don't have answers for this. So I think there is something to just,
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what we do is kind of a profession where people just kind of turn to you looking for answers on
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something that they clearly do not understand. And they, frankly, that's why they pay us is they
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don't want to understand it. They want you, I always say the CPA profession is, it's not a,
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it's, you don't have to be good at math to be a CPA. It's make a sick arithmetic. It's a translation
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profession. It's basically taking, I take this information that's very complex to understand,
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and then I break it down into something that's very, very bite-sized chunks. It's very easy to
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understand. So I think it's just more in the profession. And yeah, it's, for me, it's like,
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I'm looking for answers. Where's the last place I turn? God, unfortunately.
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So when I come to you for an auditing question, and you give me great answers,
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or anybody that does, that's a conversation that we have. And you have a pretty good understanding
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because there's a code and all sorts of things that you can measure your answer against. When you
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go to God, by yourself, and you pray, and you come out with a conviction that's strong enough
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that you send somebody a text message in that situation, I'd like to know a little bit more
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about that. And I'll just frame it with just this simple statement. I'm not confident
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that I understand how the mechanism of following God works. And what I mean by that is I've spent
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time in the past praying, asking, looking, and things always work out, can work out differently.
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And then I've gone into, well, let me make sure I'm asking all the right folks,
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consulting lots of Scripture and so forth. And let's see if we can amass all of that from Godly
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people in my life. So I'm just interested because it does seem to me from the outside looking in
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that you took what you perceive God told you and went down a path that seems to
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has enabled you to bless other people in multiple ways. So far, so good.
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Yeah. So what is that? Is that just some sort of a settling inside for you? How would you describe it?
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I actually think, I think it's reflect that I'd have to look at, you'd have to have the perspective
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of the two years that I followed. So we're the two year gap between when you stayed when I stayed.
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Yeah, it's hard. The two year gap that I stayed in worked more hours, but I will also tell you,
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I got the worst evaluation of my entire career, mainly because I had a during that time frame
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whenever I worked so much and I just lost mom, my attitude was crap. And I think most of you
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know me well enough that I'm overall pretty positive and upbeat and jovial and you know,
23:44
and I generally take that into the office. But I was not at that point and my head just I just
23:52
wasn't right. And I would say they could have done a probably a better job of helping me along with
23:58
that. But at the same time, fully accountability on my end, who has control of my attitude, I do,
24:03
who has control of whether I'm happy or not, I do. And so I got a horrible evaluation that summer
24:09
affected my bonus, affected my compensation, affected a lot of things. And so I remember they
24:16
specifically around like, okay, you know, technical skills are good, you brought in work,
24:20
you've done all these right things, but your attitude sucked. And so we're grating you down
24:26
to this. And I was just like, you're never going to complain about my attitude again. And I had
24:30
this a little bit of a, I'm going to prove it to you. I'm going to have a, I'm going to be just
24:34
completely fake up here. And then it was that day I learned that literally you could literally
24:42
faking it until you make it is a thing. I just, and you do that before fake and I fake a good
24:47
attitude. Yeah, I fake a good attitude. And suddenly I just have a good attitude about things.
24:53
To the point now where I just say, I love fake people. They're always nice. So
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the Canadians are the fakest people in the world. You're fake, but you're nice. It's fine.
25:03
So, I mean, what I would say to me, there was a pruning and it was like, you think you do,
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you think you can do this, you think you've earned this, you think you know exactly how to do this,
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you don't, because there's things that God needed me to do. And you know what? It's still,
25:22
it's not like I'm perfect. I'm not, it's not, I still fall back into it, like my attitude,
25:26
you know, sometimes I get a bad attitude. But I think one of the things that I learned in that
25:31
moment was, if you're going to be in a leadership role and that includes in your own home, if you
25:38
are a leader and you are showing anxiety and you are showing anger and you are showing
25:44
uncertainty to the people that you are leading, compound that, because they're feeling it even
25:51
more. So, if you can't feel and be steady to the people that you're leading, it's going to be a
26:00
problem. And I think that's the thing that I learned and I'm still learning it. That being said,
26:05
you can't just bottle all that stuff up either, which is why you need a foxhole group. I got to
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be able to talk about that stuff. I feel this sucks. I'm miserable, but I'm fighting through it.
26:17
One, you also, in addition to that recently, and it's not my sort of share, so I'm not going to
26:21
share it, but there's a member of the 4G table alumni who has lost his job and he was very upset,
26:30
right? And he talked to me on the phone and he was in tears at one point and it was around the
26:35
fact he's like, I can't look, I can't look my kids in the eye right now, because, you know,
26:39
you just feel so low, you feel so worthless, you feel like, you know, maybe it'd be better if you
26:44
weren't here anymore. And I talked to him on the phone and I heard him and I'm, you know, shot,
26:48
this will be a shock to you guys. Not a super empathetic guy. I don't have a whole lot of
26:51
compassion and all that. I'm a little bit more of a driver in those types of things. But in that
26:54
moment, I did what I could to acknowledge the pain he was feeling. And I could acknowledge it
27:00
because I've had the rug pulled out from underneath me before and lost a job. And I was put on the
27:06
unemployment line at the same time as like 500 people from Chesapeake. That was part of their
27:11
layoff. I was like, Oh, great. There's a new race. I have to run. And there's 500 people in the
27:16
starting line. This is fan freaking tastic. But I remember telling him, I'm like, you get today.
27:21
He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, you get today to be sad, to be angry, to go get a baseball
27:28
bat and do what John Elders did, which is go to the backyard and beat up a trash can with your
27:32
baseball bat. You get today, but tomorrow you get to work. Like tomorrow you get to work because
27:37
it's like, and I just, I told him I was like, because he was starting to catastrophize, like, you
27:42
know, we might lose the house. And what are we going to do? And how are we going to pay for this?
27:44
How are we going to pay for that? And I was like, do you honestly believe that me and the rest of
27:48
your foxhole boys are going to let your kids starve? Do you honestly fricking believe that?
27:53
And he's like, no, I'm like, all right, you get today. Give me an update tomorrow, right? Get those
27:59
tears out of the way of the day. And I'm like, don't give anxiety to people that can't fix your
28:04
situation. Those kids can only gain anxiety. They can't give you a single thing that I hope you
28:10
fix your situation. So you go there and you lie to them and you tell them, it's going to be okay,
28:14
and dad feels great and all that. And tomorrow you get to start fixing it, right? Again, you don't
28:18
have a foxhole. You don't have guys that can talk to you that way, right? I tell people all the time
28:22
out of my use you as an example, like, because I go to these events and all that. And I'm the
28:26
podcast, go, you got a fancy podcast, blah, blah. So people will laugh at my jokes and aren't funny.
28:29
And I'm like, oh boy, that one shouldn't have got even a giggle. And then we got these guys laughing.
28:33
I need guys that are completely unimpressed with me and have no problems interrupting me.
28:37
No one interrupts me. Y'all do. Adam does. Like, I'll be in the middle of something. And Adam,
28:42
you've literally, and I'm like, no, Adam, and you're like, no, actually, Kyle, what you're going to
28:46
do is you're going to let me finish what I was saying. Because you're wrong, right? And I'm just
28:50
like, if you, no one likes your stupid face, how about that? And then I slay your tires and I get
28:55
over it. But like, at the end of the day, again, this all does kind of come back to the same themes
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that if you don't have those people in your life, if you don't have people that are willing to drop
29:03
everything they're doing to come find you, to come like, you know, give you that bit of advice that's
29:08
going to at least get you to the next hour or something like that. Bro, you're missing out, like,
29:12
and when when trouble comes knocking at your door, and you don't have that, it's too late to start
29:16
trying to find those guys. I think one of the things you said, lie to your kids, you know what?
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You're not lying to your kids, right? Who's in control whether this is going to be okay or not?
29:24
It's you and the Lord. And that's it. Turn to God. And it will be okay. Right. I mean, he'll,
29:32
he'll lead you where you're supposed to go. Right. And again, guys, this really wasn't my plan for
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the first part of Genesis 12. But I do think that this is valuable. Zach, you haven't had a chance
29:40
really to share. You don't have to buy any stretch of the imagination, but everyone else has kind
29:43
of shared something. But there is a story here. And I mean, I've heard Jordan, even Jordan Pearson
29:48
talking about who's, you know, a secular intellectual about like this is, this is the call to the man's
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heart away from comfort. And we live in a society that is like, strive, work those 3000 hours this
29:59
year so that you can be comfortable so that you can have pay the person to mow the lawn for you,
30:05
pay the person to clean the house, pay the person to take care of your taxes to why do all those
30:10
things? Ah, so you can create a buffer between you and anxiety that people that don't have money
30:14
can't do right. And yet we live in this environment where we strive and strive and strive for comfort.
30:19
And all we're doing is choking ourselves, which is fairly uncomfortable. But whatever you would
30:24
like to share, feel free to go on before we continue on in this chapter.
30:29
I probably don't have a whole lot to share with the exception of just saying that
30:32
at least through my experience, there seems to be appealing away of what's
30:38
important and what I think I'm aiming for. And a lot of that comes back to what the Bible says
30:44
is a rich life is a good life. And I promise you I was going to bring this up so I'm going to.
30:50
Andrew Huberman and his Sean Ryan show podcast recently, I thought was phenomenal. And it's
30:57
it's because he spent a lot of time talking about himself, his circumstances, his evolution into
31:02
faith, along with Sean Ryan, who's done the same thing. And I've recently watched Eddie Penny,
31:07
who a lot of those guys in that community talk about. And one thing that he mentioned was his
31:12
difficult upbringing, which I knew about, but he went to Hawaii and met with a guy who he described
31:19
as this big tough guy for some reason. And they had a conversation and this guy for some reason
31:24
had some credibility, but he made the statement something to the effect of, hey, no matter how far
31:30
you go down the path and how fast and how quick and all that stuff in your life, you're always the
31:35
same distance from the ditch. And what I thought was interesting about that is it certainly parallels
31:42
some of my experience where I've had a lot of very fortunate opportunities in my life to meet
31:48
with a lot of people mentors, you name it, leading teams, all that kind of thing. But I've had other
31:53
experiences after all that stuff where I felt like I was right in the ditch, right? And that stuff
31:58
peels things away. And so I think the main thing I would just say is, you know, I think we don't know
32:06
what the next step is. And going and praying to God seems to be the only solution that I have,
32:11
but you know, going back to what you talked about with, you felt very convicted to make a decision.
32:16
I think that's incredible. That's that's something that I would love to be able to get to. I just
32:20
don't know what that looks like. Do you find yourself intentionally not seeking God in prayer
32:25
because you know what the answer is going to be or you feel like if you get the answer,
32:29
you're not going to want to follow it? No, no, I mean, I have certainly done things and followed
32:41
through in situations where I didn't, it didn't make sense. I didn't want to do it. It didn't make
32:46
sense for me to do it. And that's the other part of it. In hindsight, of course, you know, a lot of
32:51
those things seem to parallel and work out. And I would just say, generally speaking, for me,
32:56
hopefully it's working toward character growth. Like you're talking about the pruning. You know,
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I feel like that's ultimately what God's trying to accomplish in some way, shape or form. One of
33:06
my big visions for my life is trying to become what I always call my wife could probably say this
33:10
memory is like a shade tree. So being a presence for the people around me that's grounded and able
33:17
to provide maybe not even financially, but just generally. But I almost feels like I don't want
33:24
to pray for that anymore because the pruning element of that may be so painful to get you to
33:29
the point where you could be that person that maybe I don't want to pray for that anymore, you know.
33:32
So I don't know, I just think it's interesting that one thing I know is that my my focus and what I
33:40
think is important has drastically changed over the last three, four years. When I would say the
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prayer that calls you into discomfort, that kind of sucks because we're like, wait a minute, wait a
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minute, right? Like, no, I pray to you, you give me stuff I want. And if you don't give me stuff I
33:53
want, you give me stuff that I didn't know I wanted, that's better than the stuff I wanted.
33:56
And there's like, crap, you wait, I'm doing what you said in the next two years, or worse than the
34:00
previous three, which is what you said. It's like, Hey, this is not how this is supposed to work.
34:04
This is supposed to work out easy, right? Because that's what we were taught in Sunday school somehow.
34:07
Yeah, you told me to be here. I figured this is where you wanted me and it would be better.
34:12
You know, it's funny. I was trying to go through podcast episodes because in the very beginning,
34:15
I was kind of new Christian, all that sort of thing. You guys were asking me questions.
34:18
And I just remember making a comment, but I couldn't find it. Something about all the
34:22
Christian people that I know seem to always be going through some sort of a catastrophe.
34:26
And so I go back and look it up. And the Bible basically says that God, you know,
34:35
the challenges and corrects his kids that he loves and maybe not so much the ones that aren't his,
34:39
which is interesting too. But that's a whole other conversation.
34:42
Man, that's what I tell when I think I've used this example for, but I had a good buddy back
34:46
in the day that lost his job. And then he was like, questioning whether or not God existed.
34:51
I was like, Oh, okay. So yesterday, you know, I, you know, I tend to be pretty straightforward and blunt.
34:55
I was like, Oh, so yesterday, when you had a job, God existed, but now the creator of the
34:58
universe, universe isn't a real thing. Now you're you're a highly evolved champ. Like you idiot,
35:02
like what's wrong with you? But it's just like, we get there though. But for the, for the Christian,
35:08
it's like, all right, we believe in God, we believe in the, we believe in the gospel and
35:11
propitiation, all that stuff. We just don't believe he's good anymore. Like if we were to be honest,
35:15
we'd be like, I just don't think you're good. Believe that or believe in. Right. Because if,
35:19
right, because to a degree, we believe that God's, you know, our cosmic genie that we get to,
35:23
you know, rub lamp and get whatever he says, which is why I need my things we've survived list.
35:27
Yeah. It's that's really cool.
35:30
I was reading in a commentary, he brought it up and I was just like, Oh man, this goes right into
35:34
it. So it's by nature, we are all pagans caught in the Babel syndrome. When we think we can manipulate
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God by praying in Jesus's name to achieve selfish purposes, our paganism is showing.
35:46
When we claim promises as a means of making God to do what we want him to do,
35:51
our paganism is showing. When we come to think we are indispensable to God,
35:56
because of the money we donate, the talents we have, the ministry we engage in, or the worship
36:01
we offer, our paganism is showing. And needy gods can only be oppressive gods.
36:07
I think that's absolutely true. I mean, isn't that how a lot of us do pray? And so that's one thing
36:14
that I've had to switch up even this year with my prayer, with how I pray with my family,
36:18
because you should just be prayers of thankfulness because that's pretty easy because you have stuff.
36:22
So you're like, you know, thank you for my kids school. Thank you for our house. Thank you for our
36:26
food and all that because you're trying to get prayers that your kids can kind of wrap their minds
36:29
around. But I had someone I can't remember. I would I'd like to be able to get the guy credit,
36:33
but I forget. He just says, Hey, you know, describe how you, you know, pray over your kids. And so I
36:38
started talking and he goes, no, no, you didn't hear me. I said, pray over your kids. Mike, wait,
36:42
what are you talking about? He's like, now I hear you praying, like, near your kids, like,
36:47
and you already admitted that you've prayed about your kids, like when you're not with them,
36:51
but what do you pray over them? I was like, well, I guess I don't. He's like, yeah,
36:55
your kids are listening to you though. So do you have an aspirational identity that you have
36:59
for each one of your kids? And I'm like, well, yeah, he's like, well, tell me about it. Well,
37:03
I want I want them to be Christians. I want them to be resilient. I want them to be strong. I want
37:07
to be crazy. So I want to be tough, but I also want them to be tender and sensitive. In the right
37:11
moments, I want them to be meek and the true, since the word and all that. And he goes, okay,
37:15
pray that over your children out loud. And I was like, oh, oh, and so now the prayers are like,
37:22
I'll let them pray. I'll let the little kids pray, but then I will pray over them. And I'll say,
37:26
you know, Lord, I pray that you will make James and Elijah strong, courageous men of God,
37:32
but that they will also be meek and sensitive. And Lord, I just thank you for the talents that
37:35
you've put in and thank you for James is this, this and this and thank you for Eli's this, this,
37:39
and this. And it's like they're hearing it. And there was something that even just came up
37:44
yesterday of the day before. So obviously everyone that listened to the show last year,
37:47
when Roman the giant died, that was obviously a really rough time for me and all that. I think
37:51
I mentioned on the show that I had James and Eli out there with us when we were bearing him. And so,
37:57
you know, James, it was, you know, just turned four and Eli was two years old. And so James was
38:03
obviously very verbal. And so, you know, even after we, we buried the dog, the very next day,
38:06
James was like, Hey, is Roman coming back? Or like, what are we doing? And so it's just like,
38:11
I'm sitting there like still mopping up snot from all this. And I'm trying to explain to a four-year-old
38:15
that no, Roman doesn't come back. But the two-year-old at the time, he's saying one or two words at a
38:19
time, right? So he's, he's not putting together senses or asking questions that, you know, you can
38:23
even understand. But like two nights ago, because he's still two, but he's further down the road,
38:29
he can kind of put some senses together, he was asking very specific questions about Roman's burial.
38:34
I didn't like, I just had him out there. And I just assumed he wasn't picking up on any of this.
38:40
Well, he picked up on all of it. He just didn't know how to express it.
38:43
Also, a few months ago, James, our four-year-old out of nowhere, started asking a lot of questions
38:49
about death and about sickness. And daddy, would you be satisfied if I died? And I'm just like, Oh,
38:55
yeah, buddy, of course, I would be, I would be so sad if you died, blah, blah, blah. And we'll
39:01
see if I can get through describing this. But when Roman died suddenly, you know, they don't just
39:06
throw your dog in the back of your car, they, you know, put him in a biodegradable bag. If you're
39:10
going to be disposing of them yourself, right? Anyway, and so before we put Roman in the ground,
39:16
like he was in this biodegradable bag, you know, I unzip it so that we can say goodbye,
39:20
I zip it back and we put him put him in the ground. Well, my wife's like cleaning his closet one day
39:28
or like putting the toys away. And he, he points out a bag on the shelf that like had some sort of
39:35
baby thing in it. And he's like, is that the bag y'all are going to bury me in? He had seen that
39:40
bag while he was playing weeks ahead of time. And it looked just like the bag we buried Roman in
39:45
and all of a sudden, because again, that's just a bag, right? No, no, that meant something to James,
39:51
he remembered that bag. And now he sees a bag in his closet. And he's like, Oh, I wonder, I wonder
39:56
if that's my bag. And now he's thinking about, Oh, death, he's four years old. And now he's thinking
40:02
about, will I see, will there be emotions from mommy and daddy like there were emotions when Roman
40:07
had died? And so I say all that to say, your kids are picking up on things, how you're handling
40:13
tough situations, how you're handling anxiety, like how you're praying over them and for them,
40:19
even through the fire, even when you're mad at them, even when you just want to strangle the
40:24
death, you know, you just want to strangle everything out of them, because they're just driving you nuts.
40:28
And they're picking up on all that. And all that is downstream of resilience and just straight
40:33
up paying attention. Yeah. And so I don't know who needed to hear in the audience today. Again,
40:38
this was not the plan for the first 40 minutes or so of Genesis 12 discussion, but
40:43
Hey, praying over just one. Yeah, hit it. I heard this. I've been doing it for like
40:46
three years, maybe two or three years. When I'm with my kids, praying over them in some sense,
40:51
I always bring up, because I heard somebody do this, the future husband from my wife and daughter
40:58
for wife from my son and kind of set the expectations for what that looks like and that we're praying
41:03
for that person. So eventually, if I'm lucky enough to meet you, you can go back and listen to this,
41:08
but we have high expectations. We've been praying for a long time. So, so yeah, if either one of
41:12
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42:04
right to the show notes. But let's get to the second half and wrap up Genesis 12. So I believe
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Jake, you read. So Adam, you are up from the NIV starting in verse 10 and finish up Genesis 12.
42:14
So that's through verse 20. Genesis 12, verses 10. Now there was famine in the land and Abram went
42:20
down to Egypt to live there for a while because the famine was severe. As he was about to enter
42:25
Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, I know, I know what a beautiful woman you are. When the Egyptians
42:32
see you, they will say, this is his wife. They will kill me, but we'll let you live. Say you are my
42:38
sister so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.
42:44
When Abram came to Egypt, the Egyptians saw that Sarai was a very beautiful woman. And when Pharaoh's
42:49
officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh and she was taken into his palace. He treated Abram
42:55
well for her sake and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, male and female
43:00
servants and camels. But the Lord inflicted serious diseases on Pharaoh and his household
43:05
because of Abram's wife, Sarai. So Pharaoh summoned Abram. What have you done to me? He said,
43:12
why didn't you tell me she was your wife? Why did you say she is my sister so that I took her to
43:18
be my wife? Now then here is your wife. Take her and go. Then Pharaoh gave orders about Abram to his
43:24
men and they sent him on his way with his wife and everything he had. So obviously if you've read
43:31
through Genesis, this is one of those stories that sticks out because you know, Sarai was made
43:36
Pharaoh's wife. So essentially Abram poured out his wife to save himself, didn't exactly ask her
43:42
opinion on the arrangement. But that is what he did. And you can kind of see from the story here
43:48
because you know, there are a lot of layers here, but we'll be fairly brief in our commentary to
43:52
wrap up Genesis 12. He didn't think God would protect him. And isn't it so funny when you read
43:59
to the bottom, who bailed him out in the end? God. But the reason he did, and I think this goes Adam
44:05
to what you said earlier, which I would echo. I have the same issue. You know, Joby tells people
44:11
pray guests go. I just get to the guest go part, right? To where it's like, God, you gave me a
44:15
mind to reckon. You gave me wisdom. You gave me discernment. And so I'm just going to go, right?
44:20
I'm just going to make a call and I'm going to go. Well, so Abram did that. He made, he made the
44:24
call because he's like, all right, well, God's going to make a nation through me, but I got help
44:28
him. You know, I got help God out. God didn't foresee this happening, right? And so I'm going to offer up
44:33
my wife, basically to be one of Pharaoh's concubines temporarily so that I can like save my neck.
44:39
And, you know, we can't know because we don't live in a parial universe what would have happened
44:44
if Abram had not done this, but we can assume because of God's call to Abram that it would
44:48
have worked out just fine. But this is a fairly significant bump in the road.
44:52
Not to mention that he accumulated wealth and servants and donkeys and cattle and everything else
44:57
along the way in consideration of that, which is pretty interesting that you're willing to give
45:01
up your wife and order to accumulate those things. But then you do also mention at the end and it's
45:07
kind of surprising. You get to the end and you would think Pharaoh should be pretty [inaudible] at this
45:11
point. And you would not think that Pharaoh would just let him go. You would be like, all right,
45:16
you just, he should have died. There's no reason for him to be let go other than that. That's what
45:22
God's plan was. Anybody else find it interesting that it's the first Pharaoh to let the Jewish people
45:28
go? Yeah. And Charleston, Heston didn't even have to ask. I know. I know. It's kind of full circle.
45:37
I don't know. I was just kind of free circle. It is. Yeah, I think I would just add to that that
45:42
we don't mean to your point. We don't know what kind of
45:45
what sort I'm looking for. What Pharaoh experienced as a result of God. If it was that bad, then maybe
45:55
he doesn't want to hurt him. The reason Israelites will let go is because it was so terrible eventually
46:01
and that maybe he was already at that point. Because it doesn't spend any time talking about it,
46:04
really. Right. Yeah. There's really not a whole lot of description as to Pharaoh here. He's
46:09
basically just a footnote in the story. But God does afflict them with great plagues.
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Flicks Pharaoh with great plagues. I mean, it's interesting that you have a little miniature
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picture of Exodus before Exodus actually happens. So because every one of those Jewish people can
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trace their lineage back to the man who was like, go first. What's the statement? I've kind of
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forgot it, but it's like history doesn't repeat itself, but it echoes. It's kind of something like
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that. So when people say history repeats itself, it's like, well, not really because it's a new time
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in a new people group, but it's certainly echoes. Yeah. And so when you look back at something,
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because that's what I was trying to describe to people on another forging table. I was like, man,
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you know, last year with the election, everyone's like, this is going to be both sides. This is the
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last election this country's ever going to have. And I was like, there have been worst times,
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let's just say, in the history of humanity, like, you know, when people are like, we're closer to
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arm again, then we've ever been things are crazier than they've ever been. I'm like, did you live
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during the early 20th century crazier than it's ever been trench warfare in Europe twice, right?
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The, you know, the eradication of seven million Jews, like Hitler got pretty darn close to
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eradicating a race of people. Yeah. Like awkwardly close. And so it's like, no, no, like it may seem
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bad right now, but like, if you look at this in a hundred year history chunk and not a hundred
47:31
hour history chunk, is this even something that registers? Right. Because the answer is no, move
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on. Nuclear fallout drills in the 70s and the 80s. Oh my gosh. We're afraid the Russians are
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going to drop nukes on our heads and getting under your desk at school would have saved you, right?
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I can't remember. I read this, but there was something, something along the lines of that
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human me, human beings actually require a certain amount of problems in their life,
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like resistance tension. Yes. And so if it's not there, we'll create it. It's not there. We'll
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create it. So, you know, we're talking about last elections ever. And it's like, well, why are we
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talking about that? Well, because probably because we live in the most peaceful time we ever lived,
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probably because we have, you know, more resources than we've ever had, probably because nobody's,
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nobody in this country is really starving unless it's almost self-imposed. You can absolutely go out
48:21
and get any sort of help that you need. So there's just like, it's almost the supply and demand for
48:28
problems is maybe a little bit off. So we seek them out and create them whole cloth. Just, you know,
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it's the idea of creating chaos to manage it. I don't know if that makes sense. But anyways,
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it's just kind of interesting what we have to what we decide to put into our minds. And I think this
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does go back to Abram going into Egypt and not relying on God here. And it's Abram walks in. He's
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as he's going in, he's going, yeah, they're going to kill me when they find out I'm your
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husband, because they're going to want you. And it's like, well, I'm going to create this problem
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out of my own head. Right. Despite what God has told me, despite the covenant that's been made,
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yeah, I don't believe you. And let me just create this problem.
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It's an over engineering problem to agree. And that's like, you know, when I talk to people that
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are like prepare prep preppers, and I'm not like anti prepping and having like water sources and
49:18
protection for your family and stuff like that. But then when you have these guys that are like
49:21
digging trenches under their houses and putting barbed wire up around and different things like
49:25
that, it's like, okay, guys, this is what I said on my Glover's podcast where, because you know,
49:29
he has a large prepper community and he really, really helps those guys out. And again, I'm not
49:32
anti that stuff. But it's like, all right, well, you got the $100,000 Raptor. You know, you've got
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your go bag. You've got your, you know, hidden place up in the mountains that no one knows about
49:39
except for for you and everybody else. And you got your bunker and you got all that stuff.
49:42
Well, eventually there's going to be another chimp that outlives you. And all you've done is
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make it easier for him to have supplies. Right. And so it's like, you've done all this time
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and effort, you put all this into preparing for this life and none for the next one. And so it's
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like, you know, you whatever point you meet your end, you're going to meet your maker. So why don't
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you spend some time preparing for that meeting, right as a time as opposed to like preparing for if,
50:06
you know, there's a bomb that's dropped and all of a sudden we can't make cell phone calls.
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Right. Yeah. I talk. My wife, she's not a prepper, but she definitely has a mindset of, well,
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I need to have some things just in case. There's actually a empty 50 gallon barrel in our carport
50:24
right now that's hidden away that, you know, we're supposed to fill with water. And I'm just going,
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I'm not doing that. Because I just kind of figure like, okay, look, anything where to happen,
50:35
believe it or not, Oklahoma City is like very high on any sort of target list. So we're probably
50:39
going to get wiped out there anyway. But at the same time, at the same time, it's like, look,
50:45
if there's truly Armageddon that's coming, ideally we're not here. Right. So what am I worried about?
50:51
We got zips app somewhere else. Yeah. I hope so. I hope it works like that. But
50:57
yeah, I mean, the idea of prepping, it seems odd to me that a Christian would be a prepper.
51:06
It just, to me, it's two things that they're a little incongruous. And I mean,
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you know, no judgment. If that's something that you've decided to do, I don't think it's, again,
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prepping is not salvific, I guess I would say. But at the same time, you know, where's your faith?
51:22
You're putting your faith in yourself in those times. And I think that there is an element that,
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yeah, maybe you ought to put your faith somewhere else. Maybe put your faith in God.
51:32
Yeah. And don't hear what Jake's not saying. He's not saying that if you've got that 50 gallon
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barrel that's full of water, that's not how you don't have faith. Right. It's not saying that
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you don't have faith. But again, it's like, how much time and effort are you putting into that
51:43
versus, you know, the salvation of your children or the rest of the people that are in your group.
51:47
And there's reasonable responses. I mean, we live in Oklahoma, right? So I think the first 72
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are on you and all that kind of thing are just very smart at a minimum. Because if you go through
51:57
a catastrophe, I mean, there are issues. I've got a friend who went through a tornado several years
52:03
ago and he was giving a safety speech before a big meeting. And one of his recommendations is
52:07
that he mounted a gun safe inside of his tornado shelter because when he got wiped out and came out,
52:13
he said, but then 15 minutes looters were coming through his house. What was the left of his house?
52:18
You know, so there are realities. I don't know that prepping for the zombie apocalypse is
52:23
necessarily the right thing, but prepping for what could, you know, happen, whether it's, you know,
52:28
natural or not, you know, go for it. Yeah. Which I guess if you're a non-believer,
52:33
and you are prepping for the zombie apocalypse, that means you're not going to get zipsapped
52:37
somewhere else when there is that fall. And so you do whatever it takes to survive for as long
52:41
as possible. Because the next slide is going to be really hot. It's not going to be very fun for
52:45
you. Wonder if this. I'm sorry. I'm going to go down this is zombie apocalypse trail real quick.
52:50
I wonder if the rapture literally just the shells of our bodies now soulless are the zombies.
52:57
You know what guys, we're going to leave that rocking issue.
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No, I don't want to I don't want to see any more legs that I just want to bother everyone listening
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