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This is Undaunted Life, a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges
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spiritual, mental, and physical resilience at the Forging Table.
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You'll see a group of regular guys Forging Spiritual Resilience by digging into God's Word.
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And we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us.
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That's Jake, that's Adam, and Zach, I guess, is back in the game.
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For those of you watching on YouTube, not only did he hit the correct
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button this time, but the timer is actually going.
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So Zach, congratulations, man, I'm so proud of you.
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This is a big day in the history of the Forging Table.
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But the cool thing about the Forging Table is not only that we get to study the Bible on our own,
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and then we get to come here together and then kind of figure out what everyone learned
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and how everyone processes information and kind of who went down this rabbit hole versus that rabbit hole.
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But the other thing that's cool is we record these and then we kind of forget about them
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because these are recorded two or three months in advance.
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And so we were even talking on the break and you brought up something from the episode
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that just released today, and this is in Acts.
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And I was like, crap, I have no idea what I even said.
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And you're like, it was so funny.
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And then you're describing it.
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And I'm like, man, I don't remember any of that.
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It's funny.
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And so guys, just to give you a little peek behind the curtain right here,
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we are actually recording this before Christmas, 2024.
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So we're in the past right now.
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Y'all are listening to this.
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It's like February or March or something like that.
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But here's the thing.
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We just did our little dinner thing.
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And so that was our break.
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And now we're moving on to this one.
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And there's always that lull that comes into the third or fourth recording that we do at a time.
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And we've gotten through that just with pregame coach pep talks.
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We've done the smelling salts.
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We've done all that.
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But I have something better for you guys, right?
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Because before-- and don't get scared.
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It's not like an animal.
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We're not going to stick your hand in a glove full of fire ants or anything like that or bullet ants.
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But it's just like in the Christmas spirit, what can we possibly consume?
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Oh boy.
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That would push in a state of happiness that would just drive us through other than little
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Debbie Christmas tree cakes.
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Because Jake, you just said 2025 is when you're going to get it on the wagon as far as dying.
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And guess what, baby?
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It's 2024.
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Get you a Christmas tree.
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This is counted.
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I'm going to be releasing this in the future.
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So I'll be watching myself eat this in 2025.
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You get a Christmas tree cake.
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You get a Christmas tree cake.
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Have you tried these frozen?
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Why?
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Why would you potentially ruin them frozen?
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So the internet never lies.
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And the internet said these are better frozen.
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And so we froze them and ate them.
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And they are terrible frozen.
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OK, yeah, I don't like that.
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But guys, we are going to cheers these.
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So to the real life St. Nicholas, who gave-- yeah, that's for everybody--
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to the real life St. Nicholas, who gave items to the poor.
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And also, didn't he punch some guy at a committee meeting or something like that?
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But Christmas tree cake. Sorry, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers all the way around.
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For those of you that aren't here, I don't care that you don't like this part of the
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episode because I like it more than I like anything else in the entire world.
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But I'm just so excited.
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It's not a devil's fingernail or whatever.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's what I thought you were going to pull out.
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Oh, yeah.
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My uncle-in-law, I guess, he's big on raising peppers or growing peppers, raising peppers.
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But he gave me a bag of peppers.
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There was a mixed bag of peppers. So there's banana peppers in there.
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There's green jalapenos. There's red jalapenos.
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And there's also satan fingernails.
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There are ghost peppers in there. There's another one.
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What's another one? Another super hot one?
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Ghost chili pepper.
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Yeah, ghost. But what's the other one?
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There's another one that's super high out there.
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Oh, reaper.
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There's Carolina reaper.
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There's Carolina reapers in there as well.
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And he didn't say anything.
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He just handed me the bag because he knows I like peppers and I make chili and do stuff like that.
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And so I was like, all right.
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But yeah, that could have been-- that's actually a better idea.
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You know what? We do have one more recording after this.
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We can play pepper roulette.
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What do you guys think?
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No one decided that that was a good idea?
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Zach's in. All right.
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Jake looks like he's in.
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OK, everybody's in.
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Pepper roulette.
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We're going to do that on next week's episode.
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So you guys come here and check it out.
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But before we get into Genesis 10 through 11,
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we kind of rushed last week just a little bit with 7, 8, 9.
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Covered quite a bit of ground.
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And we didn't want to go and make it like a two hour long podcast or whatever.
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But Adam, there's quite, you know, there's hats on this side of the table,
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but there's also a healthy serving of nerd that's on that side of the table as well.
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And it's not just because y'all are CPAs.
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But Adam, you did not get to go down a particular rabbit hole on last week's episode.
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So while I finished my Christmas tree cake, you do your thing.
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Well, one of the things we talked about last week was between literal and figurative.
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And one of the things that I wanted to research was,
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is it possible that the number of animals on earth and the number of animals that was
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in scripture, could they have fit in the size and the dimensions
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of what scripture tells us this boat was supposed to be?
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So let's break that down a little bit.
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I did a little bit of deep dive and did some calculations.
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If you could see the notes, I'm looking at right now.
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It looks like a college math exam.
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That's cool.
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It's pretty nerdy.
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So I wanted to know the first question I had to answer was,
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how many square feet was the arc?
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So 300 qubits by 50 qubits by 30 qubits.
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That is approximately 450 feet by 75 feet by 45 feet.
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And it also says that it's three levels.
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So if it's three levels, you add all that up.
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You'll get about 101,000 square feet, okay?
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101,250 square feet.
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I took that and I said, tell me the approximate number of square feet
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that a large animal like a cow on a horse, a medium horse,
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a medium animal like sheep, pigs and dogs, and a small animal like birds and rabbits.
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How many square feet do those animals need just to survive?
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Because they can't be right next to each other.
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They've got to be able to move somewhat.
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So a large animal assume 100 square feet.
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That's 10 foot by 10 foot.
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That's not that much, okay?
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But it's probably more than they had realistically.
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But that's a reasonable number.
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100 square feet, 20 square feet.
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That's five foot by four foot for a sheep or pig or dog.
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That's still not very big.
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Birds and rabbits, two square feet.
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So if we have large animals, we have 101,000 square feet divided by 100.
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That's 1,000 large animals.
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How many medium animals?
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It's 5,062.
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How many small animals?
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50,000, 625.
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But that assumes that's all that's on the ark.
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We know that's not true, okay?
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We know that some of the medium animals and small animals had to take up some of that space.
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So let's go ahead and say we've got a mix of large, medium and small animals.
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What would be a reasonable estimate of that?
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Let's assume that it was 300 large animals, 2,000 medium animals and 5,000 small animals.
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Noah's ark could theoretically accommodate thousands of animals,
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300, 2,000, 5,000.
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That's 7,300 animals.
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And Jake, you and I were talking earlier and we were throwing out numbers about how many
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animals do you think were actually on the ark?
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And without us ever talking, I think you threw out numbers of 1,500 to 2,000.
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Were some of the resources that you saw?
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1,400.
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Okay, so we did not talk before I did all of this math.
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And so I came from 101,000 and then I determined how many animals could be
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in a space like that that are large, medium and small.
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I get down to a diverse mix of animals of around 7,000 to 10,000 animals is what I came up with.
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So again, we're just trying to make, is this reasonable?
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Is it even plausible?
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If we're going to take the literal view, we've got to be able to say that that many
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animals could fit in this space because it tells us in scripture that it's about 101,000 square feet.
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Let's take one more thing.
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So then we learned that in chapter seven that the clean animals,
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there were 14 of them and the unclean animals, there were two.
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So of the land animals, let's assume that there are about 7,000 kinds,
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which I think that's probably too much.
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Okay, 7,000 kinds.
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That would be, let's assume there's 1,000 different kinds of clean animals,
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times 14, that's 14,000 animals, unclean animals, 6,000 kinds, times only two,
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not 14, times two, that's 12,000 birds, 1,000 times 14, that's 14,000 birds.
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If you add all that together, that's 40,000 animals.
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Now that's way more than what I said earlier, which was about 7 to 10.
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But remember, I gave large animals 100 square feet.
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I gave medium animals 20 square feet.
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It could have been less than that, it could have been half of that.
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If it's half of that, now instead of 7 to 10,000 animals,
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I'm at 14 to 20,000.
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Again, don't go put these to the test necessarily and determine like,
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is he exactly 100% right?
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It is definitely plausible and reasonable.
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There is no doubt that somewhere between 7 to 10,000 or 14 to 24,000 animals
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could have possibly been on a boat of this size.
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Kind of makes sense. If you've seen it, which I've, I mean, I saw it rebuilt,
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there's zero doubt in my mind that you could fit that many.
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I mean, we fed all of that plus restaurants plus, I don't know, hundreds of people.
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And I mean, it was very, very feasible.
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Kentucky math was 1,400.
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Kentucky math was 1,400.
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Yeah, they had 1,400 kinds of animals.
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It was actually 1,398 precisely.
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And all of my math, I've never heard of that.
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I didn't know about that math.
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My math is significantly higher.
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I was assuming 7,000 kinds.
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And they still fit.
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And they still fit.
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If it's only 1,400 kinds, it's that much easier.
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And it kind of needs to be because there's got to be room for food,
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and there's got to be room for everything else.
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And they've got to have, I assume they probably have to do so the humans.
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Oh, I did have, I did have a thought about this.
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I started thinking about water.
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I was like, well, what about water?
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They would have to have water somewhere.
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They probably had a water collection device.
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They could have easily had gutters or something like that,
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that collected waters into like a rain barrel type thing.
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Yeah, it's actually, I mean, again, going to Kentucky.
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Look, there's no way they can know.
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Okay, well, let's just put that out there right now.
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Okay, what they have at the Ark Museum,
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there's no way they could definitively know this is how everything worked.
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What they do a really good job of doing there is showing you how it could work.
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So they had waste disposal systems because you got to get rid of the waste.
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They had waste disposal systems. They had water.
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They were showing how they fed them where they grew food for them,
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so that they would have consistent food.
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I think they even go into how they fed the carnivores.
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I don't remember that part, but everything,
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they lay out everything as far as like, it could have worked like this.
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And that's their stance.
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They come at it from a, this is how it could have worked.
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Yeah.
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This is how it happened.
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Yeah, they do not come at it from a standpoint of they did it this way.
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This is how they designed the sewage system.
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It's like, no, if they didn't do that, they just said,
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okay, look, all of this technology was available at the time.
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Here's how it could have been laid out and it would have worked.
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You don't have to guess.
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I did a Kentucky tour from my, you know, my chair in my living room and an iPad.
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And like when you brought up the water system,
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I remember seeing that they had multiple barrels.
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If I remember correctly that had like canvas on top and it was a filtration system.
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So when they go through each section, it would be purifying water.
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Now where the source water came from, I don't know.
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Still have questions if there are carnivorous animals, technically, not at this point.
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But it would be post balls.
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So true, it would make sense that they would be, wait a minute.
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Then, like back in, I'm trying to, so since we're doing this live,
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okay, beginning of Genesis nine, every moving thing that lives shall be for food.
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As I gave you the green plants, I give you everything verse four.
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But you shall not eat flesh with its life.
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That is its blood.
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And for your life blood, I will require reckoning.
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From every beast, I will require it and from man.
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So that's from beast to man and from man to man.
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There will be a reckoning.
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But yeah, I don't get any hints there about whether or not they were eating each other.
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Because that's been one of the arguments.
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It's like, bro, how are you going to have, you know, a ship with, and you got, you know,
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carnivorous cats, and you know, what, they're also not hunting llamas on the stambo.
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So like, here's where it gets a little confusing for me.
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This is what it says on this one.
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It says when God established Adam and Eve in their garden home,
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he gave them fruit and plants to eat according to Genesis one, two, 16.
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But after the flood, he expanded the human diet to include meat.
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However, God put one restriction on eating a man with flesh.
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The meat must be free of blood and so forth.
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So I don't know, I guess I'm not sure.
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Adam, you got to know what I'm going to do.
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Genesis one 24 is where it says in God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according
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to their kinds, the livestock, the creatures that move among the ground, and the wild animals."
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You know, I might need to go see what does the word wild animals mean.
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So livestock was basically speaking about domesticated animals that would be used for
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product or food or something like that, whereas the wild animals are non domesticated.
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That's what I, and this is Genesis one 24.
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And so that I would think the distinction between a, you know, livestock, cows, pigs,
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chickens is my assumption of what he's referring to there.
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Yes.
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And wild animals would predominantly be anything that's not domesticated.
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It could be a bear.
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Or even domesticatable, right?
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So domesticated or domestatable.
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Now, how does that, literally how does that relate to the whole dinosaur thing?
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Because when you normally see the Sunday school depictions of, you know, it's a couple of lines,
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couple crocodiles, a couple of giraffes.
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There's not a couple of T-Rex.
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There's typically on there.
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Yeah, you see the T-Rexes.
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There isn't Kentucky.
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There is.
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There is, they actually, yeah.
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So one of the cool things they have there is they have like basically, they have, they built cages
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there by dimensions based upon different types of animals.
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And within those cages, they actually put two animals in there that are, a lot of times,
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they actually put them in there as juveniles.
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So you can, like the elephants that they're showing in there are not full grown, fully sized
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elephants, they're baby elephants.
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But they're kind of showing you all of these different animals and how they could all fit.
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And they do have some dinosaurs in the cages.
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And it's, and I say some because it's not just one cage with dinosaurs.
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There's like multiple cages with different types, different kinds of dinosaurs.
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Again, now how they determined a kind of animal,
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they do have a whole chart on that and how they kind of classified all of those
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and how they think that that matches up with what the Bible would say,
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this is this kind of animal.
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So where did they break?
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Because I know we went full nerd, or I did a couple of week or two ago with, you know,
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domain kingdom, filing class or family genus species.
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Where exactly do we think they were taking a pair from?
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Because that makes a huge difference with each layer you come down.
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Yeah, I, again, I don't remember.
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I know they have the charts there.
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I remember seeing the charts.
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I just don't remember exactly what they were.
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Do you remember from your little virtual thing or whatever?
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No, no, no, clear.
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Okay.
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I do have a book of all of the actual signs from the Ark Museum.
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I am happy to loan it to you also the Creation Museum.
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So if you want to see it, yeah.
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I'd love to check it out for sure, for sure.
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Interesting on the baby animal size from the math perspective though.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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How much less space would you need if you shrink them all down?
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And then also, I think, Jake, maybe you mentioned it last week or the week before,
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where it's like, okay, if you look at a gestation period, but also a maturation period of an animal,
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but then I don't know how that would work with weaning.
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Because it's like, you know, hunting seasons are based on, okay, in some ways,
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like when is it fair chase, but also when are the babies of these animals are able,
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able to survive on their own realistically, right?
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And so I'm just wondering, like, if you had two baby animals,
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like what are they doing in their own development without weaned?
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They may not be babies, but they could just be juveniles, so they're not fully grown.
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Yeah, they're just young and maybe not at that penalty where they're going to be reproducing,
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but at the same time, so there's some that were probably fully adult on there.
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But I think a lot of the larger animals, when you start thinking about the size of those
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and what could have been brought on for an elephant or a giraffe.
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And actually, I think the giraffe was actually within an entire different kind of species.
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So their theory was there wasn't a giraffe on the boat per se.
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There was a type of animal that would have been able to evolve into it a giraffe over time.
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What animal would that have been?
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I don't know. Don't remember.
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I should say it's there.
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I just don't remember.
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I thought this was really fascinating when I started the study.
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But then when I finished it, again, it's like everything is wrapped in a miracle anyway.
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Yeah, it's kind of like I've got to the point where it's like freaking nose.
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I mean, in the grand scheme of things, a whole bunch of animals showed up at a boat.
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Well, that's sort of the thing.
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So like, yeah, if you believe all these animals just like on their own accord,
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then they knew they were the two lions that got to exist, you know,
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and all the rest of them were going to be screwed and drowned.
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That's actually kind of hilarious to think about.
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I mean, I'm just over your chuckling.
18:29
It's like, OK, three lions show up.
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Right.
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But once you get to the boat, though, but once you get into the boat,
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it's like, because people are like, you know, what are you going to do?
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As you mentioned, like what are you going to do with all that waste?
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Like, how are you going to do all these different things?
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Like if we're just in the world of the miraculous at this point,
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the lions all of a sudden doesn't have a taste for gazelle anymore.
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So right.
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Totally fine sustaining on grass or whatever is available there on the boat or whatever.
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But go ahead.
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I'm so glad that we got to this point because after our last discussion,
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I had written down a note that I wanted it to bring up today.
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Star, it had to be miraculous.
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The animals came to him.
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Yeah.
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Like there's no, that's one line.
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There is no.
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There's no explanation for that other than miracle, right?
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Well, interestingly enough, it was after the flood that animals became afraid of humans.
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They were not afraid of humans before then.
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Or each other?
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I had no or each other.
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That's true.
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We don't know.
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I don't actually.
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So is that there's we going to the carnivore thing again.
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Right.
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Oh, or even if they weren't afraid,
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that just means that predation was just, there would have been no chase, I guess.
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That's an interesting area. I'm sorry. I've never had that connection until just this moment.
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Yeah, because it does say now there's going to be.
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Okay.
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It's, it's, it's, it's a, they take back, it goes back to new creation.
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And the language is the same.
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Fill the earth, fill the earth and populate and all that sort of thing.
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But it's like, now they're going to be afraid of you.
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Now you can eat them.
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And before everything was they don't eat each other.
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They're not afraid of you.
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And, and this is a renewal, except for sin came along with the new creation.
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Is that the, do the Kentucky people think that that's why we were able to live in the same time
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as these enormous carnivorous dinosaurs? It was because at a certain point, like they weren't,
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they would not look at us as potential food or I don't remember, but that's a good thought.
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The problem with that is that dinosaurs, I'm fairly confident, have been unearthed with
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other animals and their stomachs.
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Well, that's because it was after the flood.
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No, they died with the flood, correct?
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Some of them.
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Well, I guess you're saying they came along.
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Why would they come along?
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Why wouldn't that?
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That's a whole other thing.
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I mean, why wouldn't they come along?
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Well, to me, it's almost cleaner to say, well, the flood obviously was the extinction,
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right? By bringing them along, we still have to account.
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It says to bring two, two of every living time.
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Like it doesn't, it doesn't exclude the dinosaurs here.
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Yeah, but I mean, at the same time, I would say, like, look,
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we've had several species go extinct within our own lifetimes, right?
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I mean, we've had several species.
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Astonishing them out, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I would actually say you have these giant carnivorous beasts who are wandering the land
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and wouldn't it make sense that the ones, the human beings who actually have the ability to
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think about what would be the best method of getting rid of them to protect themselves,
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would maybe hunt them first.
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So you've got, you're the geology guy you talked about, right?
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Oh, I've got a lot of geology, if you want to get into the nursery stuff.
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It looks like we're not going to have a lot of time, but maybe next week.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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Well, no, no, like what he was going to go into, make your point,
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but we can't go too far down.
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We haven't even gotten into chapter 10 yet.
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Coming from an energy perspective, historically,
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we threw a lot of these classes.
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That's what we did.
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We had to target certain things to be able to get there.
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You had to understand how things were heated and cap rocks and things populating, blah, blah, blah.
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So everything is laid stratographically over time, according to carbonization or whatever.
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But just in the depth of layers and deposits, has it been shown factually
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that you have deposits of dinosaurs and deposits of humankind in the same stratigraphic layers at large?
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Well, there's no, again, I don't know if I can get into this without going into the full geology.
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So you just fly over.
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Okay, there's no transitional fossils within sediment layers.
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Okay, so think of it this way.
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Here's this layer that has these types of fossils.
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You don't see, okay, here's this next layer.
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And then you can see how these species here have become this species here.
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What you see is layers of fossils kind of laying on top of one another.
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But what we've done is taken things like, okay, the allosaurus versus t-rex.
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What's the difference between the two?
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Allosaurus and t-rex?
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Yeah.
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I think allosaurus is an older model.
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It's an older model.
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Right, okay, but if you unearthed my skeleton decades from now,
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and you unearthed Kyle's skeleton decades from now,
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and we said, or let's say millennia from now, actually,
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let's say you unearthed our skeletons millennia from now,
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would you go, okay, well, Kyle is one type of species and Jake is another type of species.
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I'm not talking about species.
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I'm talking about when things are deposited though.
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Yeah, yeah, well, but that's kind of the point though.
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To prove coexistence.
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That essentially what I'm saying is you have all of this,
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well, you also have human beings living a whole, whole, whole lot longer back then.
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But this is the simple question.
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Like right now, let's say we go to West Texas, right?
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We're going to drill and try to find oil.
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Oil is the product of things that died, eventually became heated, blah, blah.
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Well, there's the Permian Basin, and they're trying to tie this to like when dinosaurs were.
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You have to drill deep to get into those sections,
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and there are shallower sections.
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Now, of course, things change as you move across landscape.
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My simple question is, do we have evidence?
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Because I don't know the answer to this.
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I know there's claims of human beings coexisting in deposits with dinosaurs.
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I think there's a few folks that have said,
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look at this, you know, like human being footprint of this dinosaur,
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but I don't think it's overwhelming.
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It would be hard to say because, again, without going into the full on geology
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on to why you would say, okay, well, here's this layer,
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and there's dinosaurs and humans in this layer,
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but you might go, there's dinosaurs at this layer.
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Then at this layer, this layer, this layer,
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you see different types of fossils or different remains.
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But what I would say is, without going into the full geology aspect of this,
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each one of those layers, if they were laid rapidly.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I've seen the move.
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Yeah.
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That's bringing back all the movies I've seen about how it's deposited.
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If you took that perspective and that paradigm of the flood happening really quickly
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and how the deposits are made, there's examples of trees that stand vertically.
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That's the polystrate fossils.
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All that sort of thing.
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Yes.
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I get that.
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I understand it.
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Yeah.
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But if you take the world's view of carbon dating in long periods of time,
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I don't think you see stratographically that they're deposited in the same lives.
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I can't say definitively one way or the other.
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So even with all the discussion just so we can kind of move on,
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it seems like there's one thing that, above everything else,
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in terms of what you're talking about, there's one conclusion we can come to,
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is that ham's just better than turkey?
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You know, I think that's what I got from you to.
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Hey, to quote Joby, I love bacon wrap.
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Y'all stay.
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Flay, right?
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Medium rare.
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Anything beyond that is not good for us.
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Yeah.
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But we do need to get into today's content, I guess.
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So what we're going to do is we're going to treat all scripture with reverence,
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because this is the word of God.
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And so we're going to read through Genesis 10.
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And you might be wondering what exactly we're going to talk about in Genesis 10.
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And I'm wondering the same.
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So Jake, if you would go ahead and just read Genesis 10,
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I'm giving you all the most words.
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Horn when you need him.
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Dude, I was hoping to goodness that Ryan would be on this one,
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just so he would have to put his way through all of these.
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But gosh darn it, do your best.
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We're here for you.
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I'm going to do it.
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These are the generations of the sons of Noah, Chem, Ham, and Japheth.
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Sons were born to them after the flood.
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The sons of Japheth, Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesek,
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and Tyros, the sons of Gomer, Ashkenaz, Rithath, and Togarma.
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Togarma, I don't know.
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Hooked on, Phonics works for me.
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The sons of Javan, Elisha, Tarshish, Kidam, and Dodanam.
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We have so much left, so much left.
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From these, the coastland people spread in their lands.
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Each was with his own language by their clans and their nations.
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Man, you nailed that part.
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Keep going.
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The sons of Ham, Kush, Egypt, Putt, and Canaan.
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The sons of Kush, Siba, Havala, Sabta, Rama, and Sabtika.
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The sons of Reimah, Shiba, and Dedan.
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Kush fathered Nimrod.
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He was the first on earth to be a mighty man.
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He was a mighty hunter before the Lord.
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Therefore, it is said like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.
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The beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Eric, Akkad, and Kalna,
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and the land of Shainar.
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From that land, he went into Assyria and built Nineveh.
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Rehiboth, Ur, Kalah, and the laughing is not helping him.
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I'm trying to do my best.
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I'm doing my best not to.
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And Risen between Nineveh and Kalah, that is the great city Egypt,
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fathered Ludham.
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Ludham, sorry.
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Ludham.
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Anemim.
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Lahabam.
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Nafeth the tomb.
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Yeah, Jesus.
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God, Jesus isn't in here.
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Jesus, uh, Patherosum.
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Kazlahum.
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From whom the Philistines came and Kaphor Torem.
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Canaan fathered Sidon, his firstborn and heth,
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and the Jebus sites, and the Amorites, and the Gergesheites,
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the Hivites, the Archites, the Sinaiites, the Arvedites,
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the Zemorites, and the Hamathites.
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Afterward, the clans of the Canaanites dispersed,
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and the territory of the Canaanites extended from Sidon
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in the direction of Garar as far as Gaza.
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And in the direction of Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zebom,
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as far as Lasha.
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These are the sons of Ham, by their clans, their languages,
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their lands, and their nations.
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To Shem, also the father of all the children of ever,
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the elder brother of Japheth, children were born,
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the sons of Shem, Elam, Asher.
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Oh boy, our Paqshad, Lud, and Aram.
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The sons of Aram, Uz, Hol, Gethar, and Mash.
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Our Paqshad fathered Shilah, and Shilah fathered Eber.
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To Eber were born two sons, the name of one was Pelig.
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For in his days, the earth was divided,
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and in his brother's name was Jockton.
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Jockton fathered Amadad, Shilith, Hasmarvath, Jarrah, Hadorum,
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Uzzal, Dickla.
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I knew it.
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I read it, and it's going to break down.
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Obal, Abimal, Shiba, Offer, Havela, and Joebob.
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He's from Arkansas.
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Joebob, Joebob.
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Sorry.
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All these were the sons of Jockton,
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the territory in which they lived extended from
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Misha in the direction of Sephar to the hill country of the east.
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These are the sons of Shem, by their clans,
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and their languages, their lands, and their nations.
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These are the clans of the sons of Noah,
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according to their genealogies, and the nations,
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and from these nations spread abroad on the earth after the flood.
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Praise God.
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Wow, you did.
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Well, hey, guess what?
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Guess what?
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We're going to do.
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Everyone has to pick their favorite name from this chapter,
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and that is the name of the next dog you get.
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So, Jake, since you read, you get the first draft pick.
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You get to pick one name from here,
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and that's going to be the name of your next dog.
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Joebob.
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You're going with Joebob?
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All right, Adam, you got one?
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Nimrod.
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Nimrod, that's a great one.
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Great one.
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Zach?
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I don't know.
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All right, I'm going to take Dicla because I think that'll be good.
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And I want to make sure it's a female dog just for fun.
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So, guys, anything on Genesis 10 that you would like to point out,
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or anything in y'all's studies that you thought was valuable?
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My Bible has an interesting chart that I'll show you guys here
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that basically breaks down where each of these guys' families
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primarily settled.
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The one thing that I found interesting according to this was that
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Ham was to primarily from Israel to the Southwest.
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And so, it included the Red Sea, it included Egypt,
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and it included a lot of the area that's still being disputed to this day.
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You know, all along Gaza, the Gaza Strip,
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everything where there's still battling happening,
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and what happened when Ham walked in and saw his father naked,
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and what happened?
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Noah cursed him.
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Well, look at the regions that Ham went to.
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Those regions are still in turmoil to this day.
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Yeah, that's true.
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What Bible's that for people that are perhaps looking?
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This is called the NIV Cultural Background Study Bible.
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And it's on page.
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I'm referring to page 28.
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All right, so that's the Bible.
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That's the reference.
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That's the map that he's looking at.
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Anything else from Genesis 10 that you guys like to hit?
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I guess I would say one thing I would point out is,
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and I mentioned this at the break, but, you know, this is the salvaging.
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This is what God has salvaged out of the wreckage from the flood.
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So, you know, flood wrecked everything, wiped out everything,
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and then here's what's left, and now they're repopulating.
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Salvaging is retrieving what is valuable from wreckage.
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And, you know, I think of like Saul, you know, very zealous.
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And, but he was also very destructive in how he was carrying out his purpose
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prior to the road to Damascus.
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And amidst, think of Saul, and then amidst his own fleshly desires and
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personality, Augustine, a philosophical thinker,
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laid the foundation for the church's systemic theology.
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To me, this is kind of pointed to like, God's never really done with us.
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It doesn't really matter all the horrible things that may happen,
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and God will bring you low, lower than low, to humble you.
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And when you're brought low in your sin and you turn to God,
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he will take what is best of you and use it for his glory.
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And I think that's what you're seeing here.
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I know you have him obviously going AWOL in the previous chapter,
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but I think he salvaged all of this.
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And if you, if you're looking here, it's like, just understand,
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this is the same line that led to our salvation.
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Noah's line led to our salvation.
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I don't know which son, if it was Shem or Jaffa, where were they were?
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Who brought Jesus forth, what line?
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Shem, I don't know.
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So, and then I kind of paired this one, if you look at Robinson Caruso,
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the old book, there was material things he had on the island
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that have value in a society, but he didn't use them in that way.
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And an example, he has a boat as a shelter, used cannonballs for weights,
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because he had to use what he had in order to make do.
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I think God kind of does the same thing with us.
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It's, all of us have qualities that I think would be desirable in society.
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It's just how are we directing them?
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Yeah, I agree.
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I mean, I think what was interesting to kind of parallel some of that is
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to go back and just think for a second about how all of the earth and all nations
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that we then read about in the Bible were populated from this point of origin,
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you know, with Noah.
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And just to read these two points that I thought were interesting is
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the list of names and places in chapter 10 carries with it some important theological truths,
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not the least of which is that Jehovah God is the Lord of the nations.
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God gave the nations their inheritance and determined their preappointed times
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and the boundaries of their dwellings.
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In spite of despots like Nimrod, the hunter,
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Jehovah is the God of geography and history.
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He is in control.
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What God promises, he performs and knows prophecy about his sons comes true.
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And then lastly, in spite of external differences, all nations belong to the same human family.
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God made us all from one man and no race or people can claim to be superior to any other race or people.
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So while in his providence, God has permitted some nations to make greater progress economically
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and politically than other nations, their achievements don't prove that they are better than others.
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So just coming back to it's interesting to see the development and how everything came
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from this part of the world.
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And then when I go back to the comparison of what I would call miraculous events of the flood,
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then immediately followed by this, which has good historical evidence.
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You know, like I think the city of Ur, if I'm not mistaken, you can go and see today
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the remains of that from this time period.
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So it just instantly grounds something that's kind of hard to get your head around with something
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that you can really go back and kind of investigate and touch and feel.
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And it aligns with reality.
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Like you mentioned, I mean, the geopolitical events of this day still seem to be divided
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in many ways the way it was shown here.
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I mean, if you go all the way back again, I made a reference to this last week,
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but you have Abraham and it depends on who you think he took up there with him.
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Was it Isaac or was it Ishmael?
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And then we have two, the two dominant offshoots that are on a collision course,
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as it pertains to the end times of Christianity and Islam,
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basically go back to that singular question.
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And you know, where you get what is that debatable with?
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Sorry.
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Is it debatable that Abraham didn't take Isaac?
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According to that.
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Muslims believe that Ishmael was taken up there and not Isaac.
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And so obviously we're off the line of Isaac.
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And then, you know, Muslims believe that we are off the line of Ishmael.
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Yeah, it's not debatable in this.
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Not not with what we're talking about.
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We're talking about the different different to worldviews that are converging between,
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you know, with Islam versus Christianity.
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Anything else on 10 or anything else that we brought up,
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this is all a good stuff before we get into the Tower of Babel.
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Adam, how about you hit that?
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Let's do a Tower of Babel.
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We're going to get into Genesis 11 now.
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That's verses one through nine.
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Genesis 11.
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Now the whole world had one language in a common speech.
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As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shanar and settled there.
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They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly."
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They used bricks instead of stone and tar for mortar.
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They then said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens,
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so that we may make him name for ourselves.
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Otherwise, we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.
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But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.
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The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language,
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they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
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Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.
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So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth,
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and they stopped building the city.
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That is why it is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
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From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
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So Babel comes from the root word "but law," which is to confuse, mix, or mingle.
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I have no idea if y'all saw anything on this.
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I didn't see anything on it, but I wrote it down in my notes to something that I thought was interesting.
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If they were all speaking the same language,
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do we have any speculation as to what that language was and is it still around today?
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Did you see anything on that?
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No, nothing.
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Okay, so let me just throw that out there as like a thought experiment,
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because it was interesting to me if it's not interesting, let's just move on.
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But I did think because we hear about, I've heard different people,
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like there's a few people that are experts on ancient languages that are no longer spoken,
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but these people have kind of like put the dialectic together.
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Because I guess we don't know technically how the, you know,
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Egyptians during the time of the great pharaohs and pyramids, we don't know exactly what the,
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I guess, how the phonetical spelling or pronunciation or whatever was of their language.
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But I honestly thought about that.
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I was like, I wonder what that language was.
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Like, and I wonder what it sounded like, because we have so many different dialects.
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I don't even know if people can put into, there's probably number you can put
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into the different languages and dialects that are spoken around the world.
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But I just, I was wondering if it all came from a singular place.
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Did that, did that language cease to exist in that moment?
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Or is it potentially still here today?
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I have no idea.
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I mean, there's so many, there's so many languages out there that there's literally
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languages where the Bible has not been translated.
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I mean, that's.
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Yeah, even our church in the last year, the Donu people,
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which is in the Myanmar area and things like that, like our church,
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faith Bible church in Edmond, Oklahoma, we raised, do you remember how much we raised?
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Do you remember how much it was?
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It was half a million for the first, I think, two translations.
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Yeah, so to translate the Bible into the Donu language,
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and you're just thinking to yourself, like, how long has that language been
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sitting there without a translation, a full translation of the Bible?
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And then it's like, and the, we can't really get in the story,
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but the story of how our church found that out.
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And then how in the world do we do that?
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Because Myanmar is, you know, basically a military dictatorship right now.
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And so even just getting anything in there, like water bottles is hard enough,
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much less translation of the Bible.
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If you've ever been to the museum of the Bible, they literally have.
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Not in Kentucky.
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Not in Kentucky.
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This was in D.C.
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If you've ever been to the museum of the Bible,
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they actually have a, one of the exhibits they have there.
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It's all the languages that are known to exist on earth.
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And within that, they actually have highlighted.
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Here's the ones that have a Bible in their language.
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Here's the ones that have a Bible being worked on in their language.
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And here's the ones that have, that don't have the Bible in their language.
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I was kind of shocked at how many languages that exist out there,
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number one, but also how many of them still don't have the word at all.
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And how you actually, I mean, the amount of work
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that needs to be done in that area, it looks pretty daunting.
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Do you think that can be solved with AI?
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Yeah, that's my first.
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I mean, we've got quantum, quantum computing now that's, you know,
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what 10 billion times faster than any supercomputer?
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I don't know.
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I mean, the problem is, is you have so many words in those languages that just,
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you know, there's words in our own language that just don't translate
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any to anything in their language, buried into story.
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Yeah, if I were going to take a guess, I'd say that problem would be solved,
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like, lickety split.
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I don't know.
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I think you guys have a lot more faith in AI than I do.
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I still think it says so much to do with what's programmed behind the scenes.
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Well, that's always my concern.
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I want to get into like ethics of AI thing because I mean, you're right.
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That's what AI and with the quantum computing coming right behind that.
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And then you have what's the next level of AI, what's that called?
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Artificial general and what is it?
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It's an AGI and then there's like a super intelligence after.
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Yeah, artificial general intelligence and there is super intelligence thereafter.
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And at that point, that's when people are like, okay, that's where it will become
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its own God and we'll be able to direct and we won't be able to stop it.
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The issue is, is that people forget is that it is programmed.
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And when you have people that all come from basically one point of view,
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one worldview, which is typically, not typically, it is 100% way left of center.
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They have to program the inputs for this that will give us a certain output.
42:06
So I would have my personal misgivings of, let's take one of those languages that we just flat out
42:11
don't understand and we don't have a lot of the same words and the same things that correlate to
42:16
one another. And we just say, yeah, AI, make this people group a translation of the Bible because
42:21
we would not be able to figure out or I'm guessing we would not be able to figure out the line from
42:26
the Hebrew, the ancient Galilean Aramaic and the Greek all the way through English to get to
42:33
this random, this random language. And then we're just going to trust that AI didn't mess
42:38
something up from English to whatever this people groups language was.
42:42
Well, and I don't know how many of you have read Scribes and Scriptures,
42:45
but it's an interesting book in terms of just the responsibility that people who were
42:52
Scribes and had to copy down Scripture, had to translate Scripture and the weight of the
43:00
responsibility and some of the things that, you know, when you start talking about some of the
43:05
manuscripts and that they've that they discovered and, you know, the notes they were making, you
43:12
know, people, people like to make the Bible has been translated, retranslated, all this other stuff.
43:16
And then it's like, yeah, that's true. It has been translated and retranslated and retranslated from
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that. But at the same time, if you go back and look at some of the original notes, then the words
43:26
that are changing here are minute, they're like, and a lot of times you can see, it's just minor
43:33
errors that still do not change the meaning behind the Scripture. And so I think when we start talking
43:41
about trying to use AI to do something like that with language, I think you're walking a very,
43:47
very dangerous path because I think there's nothing that's going to be divinely inspired about AI.
43:53
Whereas I think a human being, there is a weight, there's a weight of conscience that is going to
44:00
be put upon them, that they have to be so earnest and have so much integrity to ensure
44:08
the power of the word is not misused. Because if I sit here and say, well, one person comes in,
44:16
AI comes in, wrong programmer comes in and decides, I don't like this part of Scripture and I'm going
44:22
to change it. Then you have the Jefferson Bible situation. Think about what we're talking about here
44:26
with AI and globalization that's happening and we're all coming together and we're all coming back
44:31
together to be one. Think about what this still says in verse six, this is the most interesting
44:35
part of what we just read. The Lord said, if as one people speaking the same language, they have begun
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to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. That was the reason why it
44:48
was split up. That was the reason why they had different languages. It was interesting because
44:52
God's saying, if they're all on the same page and they're all talking and they've decided to
44:56
build this, we're likely probably building a ziggurat, a ziggurat to bring God down to them.
45:02
If all coordinated together, this is what they're doing, it kind of feels like we're kind of getting
45:08
back to that point. It's reliance on self or collective self as opposed to reliance on God.
45:15
I mean, how far away is everyone at this table from praying the prayer, give us a stare at daily
45:19
bread? You know what I mean? I'm over here asking the Lord to restrain me from daily bread.
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Well, I don't have any more cakes up here. Did everybody eat the rest of your cake? No, no,
45:29
don't do it. Adam, you've got to finish your cake. Don't do it. Don't do it. But that is the thing
45:33
is like, in addition to that, Adam, it's like, you know, this is a practice in self-reliance that is
45:38
being described here in verses two through four. But, you know, the building of this, you know, this,
45:43
you know, building or this tower, whatever, is contrary to what God told them they were supposed
45:47
to do, which is to fill the earth. So we see that in Genesis 1, 22 and 28 and Genesis 9, 1 and 7.
45:54
And so they're not doing what God told them to do. And so the story of five through eight is God
45:59
saying, all right, fine. I'm going to get my will done anyway. And so here we go. Confusion
46:04
dispersion. See you. It is still just compelling and interesting that it says the nothing they plan
46:09
to do will be impossible for them. I remember reading that and thinking about it. And then I
46:13
didn't spend enough time to sufficiently get a satisfactory answer. But I think it amounts to
46:19
they could have they could basically erect a monument to themselves. Yeah. I don't know if
46:25
it meant obviously literally that they're going to build something that goes to heaven. But I mean,
46:30
that's there's something to that, right? If you're we've done we've done it now, right? We've built
46:36
monuments to ourselves. It's called social media pages, but we've built monuments to ourselves.
46:40
Yeah, but my life is really interesting and everybody wants to know about it. I went on vacation. I
46:48
went over to what did you eat? I killed this amazing animal. I just had a Christmas tree cake.
46:52
It was delicious. I want everybody to know about it. You know, just as a general comment,
46:56
I spent a couple of years kind of avoiding AI just because I, you know, whatever, and then
47:02
started to get introduced to it and then started to use it. And now I sort of equate it to Google,
47:07
like if you're not using it, then you're getting behind. But with all of these advances that are
47:12
coming at such a great rate, I did go back and John Lennox's book again, 2084, the refined version.
47:21
He's been thinking about this and talking about this at a deep level from an ethical standpoint,
47:25
from an Oxford mathematical standpoint, and then he just pulled all these people in.
47:29
And he's making arguments effectively for his grandchildren. So when you think about the types
47:34
of things that we have to push back against and culture today, this AI thing is a big one that's
47:40
coming now. And guys like Linux have been thinking about it for a long time. I'm about two hours
47:46
into the 14 hour audio book. And it's incredibly interesting. And the things that you're talking
47:51
about right now, I would, I would encourage you to take a look. And he's making arguments that you,
47:55
like you're kind of talking about, it's a program, right? And this is why the whole definition of
48:00
life thing is fascinating, because I don't think we'll ever get to the point that you can recreate
48:05
life in the way that God did. But that doesn't mean the perception of what's happening or the fact
48:09
that somebody may get a Bible that you don't agree with, but it may go ahead and be widely
48:13
distributed. What are the impacts of that? And how do you begin to push back against that? How do
48:17
you use it in the right way? So I would encourage you to delve into that to begin to have answers
48:22
for the questions that are going to come up. What's the name of the book again? 2084.
48:26
Okay. There's a copy of it over there on the shelf as well. Check it out. He just came out with
48:29
the new like a released new version that kind of incorporates all the latest stuff. That's what
48:33
I was doing on my phone. I was finding it. Sorry. Well, no, no, that's good. Like the thing is that
48:37
this does bring up an interesting discussion about complicated ethics, because you know,
48:43
we're seeing it on a micro level, like on college campuses where professors are like,
48:47
okay, is this a chat GBT generated essay that I'm reading? Or did this person actually have
48:51
these thoughts and put it down on paper? But for us, we saw it in a small way whenever you were in,
48:56
you know, high school calculus or something like that, and you had this calculator. So you weren't
49:00
having to necessarily scratch together every single thing to show your work. At some point,
49:05
you know, you had to sign co-sign tangent and you just use your little graphing calculator,
49:08
which costs way too much money. And then you just beboop it all in there. And then, you know,
49:12
Bob's your uncle. And part of it, people's like, Hey, I can't remember phone numbers anymore.
49:15
Why? Well, because we have phones and we can just like, you know, boop, and then we can call
49:19
somebody and do all that. The problem that we're running into with AI and the speed with which
49:24
we're going that direction is when we were little kids, like five, six, seven, if we didn't know the
49:29
answer to something, we had to go ask somebody. And if your house had a set of encyclopedias
49:34
or, you know, you had like an atlas or something like that, you might be able to find the answer.
49:38
If not, it was, well, we got to find a time to go to the library or, Hey, you're going to have to
49:41
call your uncle Jimmy because he actually, you know, studied this in school or something.
49:45
Now you have AI basically programmed into phones that you're buying right out of the box and you
49:51
just ask your phone to give you something and whatever it tells you, you just believe now. And
49:56
so that's where I see the ethical dilemma coming is kids are, especially kids that are listless,
50:01
perhaps don't have, you know, a biblical foundation or any type of Christian worldview,
50:06
they're going to be asking their phones, not just who was the 14th president of the United States,
50:09
they're going to be asking them ought questions like, ought, I do this, ought, not, I do this.
50:14
And now we're in the moral dimension to where it's not just because again, that's the whole problem
50:17
with, you know, from nature, we don't get love, we don't get you morality, we don't get any of that,
50:22
because nature describes what is it doesn't describe what ought or what ought not to be done.
50:26
And that's the point, right? I mean, I sat through a conference recently and they had
50:29
representatives from the department, from the state, from the military, etc. And over the course
50:34
of three days, people were generally fascinated in the technology to understand it. But on the
50:39
third day, when it got to ethics, like the whole room exploded with questions. That's where it gets
50:43
really fascinating. The brief point of Linux, what he would just say is there's two alternate
50:49
versions of humanity being like controlled or compressed or whatever. One of them is the
50:54
Stalin version, where it's negative against your will, it's evil, all that kind of thing. The other
50:59
version, though, is that you're lulled into a cage because you're just inundated with everything
51:05
all the time you don't think for yourself. And there's two different ways you could go with that
51:10
and it could facilitate both. It is interesting. Well, there's something else as well, I gosh,
51:15
I got to find it so that I can commit it to memory. But I remember someone talking about,
51:20
there was a study down, which again, everyone's got to study to prove whatever their prior belief
51:24
is. But this was saying that there is a significant percentage of the population of the world that
51:29
has no internal dialogue. So what I mean by that is like, you know how you're laying there and you
51:34
can't fall asleep. Everyone in the house is asleep. And here you are running scenarios. Oh, crap,
51:38
I forgot to do that. Am I going to get up and do that now? No, I need to actually get some sleep.
51:41
Oh, shoot, did I, are my clothes laid out for tomorrow? Shoot, I hope my stuff's not wrinkled.
51:46
Oh, my gosh, there's a I have four meetings tomorrow. I'm not fully prepared for about it.
51:49
I can kind of work my way through it. Oh, I wonder what kind of workout and you're just running
51:52
scenarios and things in your brain that there's a significant portion of the population of humanity
51:58
that has no internal dialogue. I would say that person would be a psychopath to me because I would
52:02
say psychopath because I can't imagine going through life and not constantly thinking my mind
52:08
does not freaking stop. It is constantly going. Y'all chat about that. I'm gonna see if I can
52:12
find the reference. So I'm not just speaking out of my rebrand here. I can't I can't even fathom
52:17
what that would be like. Like your brain is just turned off. It's just not going. I guess you're
52:23
like go to an old person's home. Like that's the first thing that comes to mind that if I'm
52:27
envisioning somebody that has that problem, but I can't imagine that like a bunch of
52:31
Homer Simpson sitting on the couch. I have a hard enough time sitting in church and listening to
52:35
Pastor Mark talk and trying to stay focused on him and not thinking about a hundred other
52:40
things that I think are more important to me in the moment. Well to what Donnie was teaching in
52:45
our Sunday school class today. I mean literally just the when he was talking about like just
52:50
just like being present and sitting there and you know not thinking about all of these things and
52:56
I'm just going. That makes me so incredibly anxious that just thinking that I might have to
53:01
sit there and not think about anything. Like I don't know why that gives me so much anxiety,
53:06
but it does. You know because I'm going I'm like you Adam. It's I and maybe it's just a CPA brain,
53:12
but it's like I can't stop thinking. It's like I've got a thousand different scenarios a thousand
53:18
different deadlines and and all of these different things. It's like I've got to handle this, this,
53:22
this, this, this, this, this, and this. Now Terry Fakes always says like show me your calendar in
53:27
your bank statement. I'll tell you what's important to you. Honestly, I don't know that I mean Adam,
53:35
I don't know if you think this way, but I am, but I know I do. I don't think I'm supposed to be that
53:40
way. I think I am that way. I don't think I'm supposed to be that way. So as far as the internal
53:45
dialogue question goes Kyle and hopefully you found the study by now, but as far as the internal
53:50
dialogue, yeah, we'll keep going. But as far as the internal dialogue goes, I keep it. I mean,
53:55
I have it all the time. I just don't know if I'm supposed to be having it all the time. Yeah,
54:00
I'm not advocating to say that it's a positive thing. And anyway, I think I think having it's
54:04
obviously probably a balance is what makes more sense. But to me, it's it's so turned on all the
54:09
time in every scenario, even as we've been sitting here talking, I find myself having struggles my
54:14
brain not wandering into into other things. You heard it here first, Adam has turned on all the time.
54:21
I have found the reference scientific American from July the 5th, 2024.
54:25
Not everyone has an inner voice streaming through their head. The extent to which people experience
54:30
inner speech varies greatly and the differences matter for performing certain cognitive tasks.
54:35
Most of us have an inner voice and we tend to assume everyone does, but recent evidence suggests
54:40
that people vary widely in the extent to which they experience inner speech from an almost
54:47
constant pattern to a virtual absence of self talk. Until you start asking the right questions,
54:51
you don't know there's even variations as Gary Lipion, a cognitive scientist from the University
54:56
of Wisconsin-Madison. People are really surprised because they had assumed everybody's like them.
55:00
A new study from Lipion in his colleague Johan Nedergaard, a cognitive scientist at the University
55:06
of Copenhagen, shows that not only are these differences real, but they also have consequences
55:11
for our cognition. Participants with weak inner voices did worse at psychological tasks that
55:16
measures say verbal memory than those that did with strong inner voices. The researchers have
55:21
even proposed calling a lack of inner speech "anindofasia" and hope that naming it will help
55:27
facilitate further speech. The study adds to growing evidence that our internal mental worlds
55:32
can be profoundly different. It speaks to a surprising diversity of our subjective experiences
55:37
Lipion says, and then it just kind of keeps going. But you, whenever I said anindofasia,
55:42
you had something Adam? Psychopath. You have to be a psychopath. I cannot. My number one passion
55:50
in life, hunting. When I'm out hunting, I feel like I'm closest to God. And I feel like that's
55:54
probably the time maybe when my brain is sort of turned off from work. But even when I'm hunting,
55:59
even when I'm outdoors, my brain is always going on something. It is never turned off.
56:05
So I've heard this before where people say when I'm out hunting, I feel closest to God. What is it
56:10
about hunting that makes you feel so close to God? You give your answer, and then I'll give mine.
56:14
I've never been hunting. Well, we're going to fix that. You give your answer first.
56:19
Okay. So just to put this, like Adam is one of my hunting mentors. And so obviously what I say
56:24
is going to be colored in an experience where his is going to be a lifetime. And so it's going to be
56:29
old hat for him where for me, I'm still working through it like a child. Because I'm still,
56:32
if I were a belt in hunting, I'd probably say I just got my blue belt, right? So you're not
56:37
completely worthless, but you still basically suck. He passed a nice three and a half year old
56:44
deer this year, a nice basket rack eight that I would have told him. 90% of guys that I bring out
56:49
here would have shot that deer and you passed it. And so I would say that gave you the blue belt.
56:54
One stripe on my blue belt is what I will take from this season. But for me, when you're out there,
56:59
there's something, I forget the quote, I think Joby said it and he was quoting somebody else,
57:03
but it's like, it's hard for Satan to get to you when you're in the woods. Because when you're
57:07
surrounded by man's creation, which is the city, which is the neighborhood, which is the road system,
57:13
which is all that, you're reminded of the creation of man. Whereas when you are out in nature,
57:17
even if you're in a blind that was made by man, or you're hanging from a tree from a harness that
57:22
was made by man, you are in nature. And you also, when you are walking to wherever you're hunting in
57:27
the middle of the darkness before the sun comes up or something like that, you realize just how
57:34
helpless you are. Because if there's something out there that wants you, it knows you're there.
57:39
You don't know it's there. You just have the sinking feeling in your stomach that if something
57:43
wanted to take me, that I'm out. And so in terms of getting you closer to God, it's the fact that
57:49
what you're doing out there is the most fundamental thing other than probably breeding, which is
57:55
trying to provide provision so that you can sustain life for yourself and or for others.
58:00
And so because there's no other thing to explain how you're sitting there and you're looking at
58:05
your watch and your heart rate, you're resting in the low 60s like you normally do, all of a sudden,
58:10
an animal walks out. Just any deer, it doesn't have to be a once in a lifetime deer, but just a deer
58:16
of any kind. And then all of a sudden your heart rate doubles. Why? Why does it do that? Because
58:21
there's something happening inside of you that says, this is an important moment. And it comes back
58:25
to sustenance. Where do we get the blessing of sustenance from God? And where do we get that
58:28
most fundamentally? We get that in nature, not the grocery store. So that would be my answer in brief.
58:33
I would say the beauty of landscapes and the beauty that I've been able to see in sunrise
58:37
and sunset and the birds chirping and the animals scurrying around. Just I feel like if there is a
58:44
time when my brain has turned off more than any other, it's when I'm in nature. And when I see
58:49
things and I see a beautiful sunrise, my mind more often than not goes to man, I am lucky that God
58:55
put me here. I am very blessed that I get to get to see this beautiful sunrise, get to see this
59:01
beautiful animal. And I just I can't think of any other time in my life that I've had those
59:07
emotions feel so strongly. Does that make sense? And so one quick thing, because we got to wrap
59:11
up by finishing Genesis 11, but to put a bow on your point that you brought up about psychopathy,
59:17
Adam, there are rough estimates from the American Psychological Association that roughly one to two
59:23
percent of human beings in existence, one to two percent have some degree of psychopathy. So
59:29
psychopathy makes it difficult, if not impossible, for you to fill any empathy or sympathy whatsoever.
59:35
Right? So that's why typically people that are mass murderers, they usually started out by
59:39
torturing animals. So whereas like, if I had a kitten and I was torturing it to death or drowning
59:44
it to death or setting it on fire, like I would have to be forced to do that because it's so evil
59:48
and I would feel terrible for this animal, these people would be doing that. And if they were just
59:53
a psychopath, they would feel nothing or if they were a sadist, they would feel sexual arousal,
59:57
like all the way up to sexual arousal for something like that, extreme release,
1:00:01
pre-release sexual arousal. But then what we're talking about here is if there's 8 billion people
1:00:06
on the planet, that's 80 million people in the world that have basically no internal dialogue
1:00:14
for empathy or sympathy whatsoever. So that's kind of what we're up against. Because people
1:00:19
have talked about that, like if you're in a unit in the military or if you're in a squadron or
1:00:23
if you're in something like that, like percentage wise, if you look around a room, like you're going
1:00:27
to be looking at somebody, you know, if you're in a room of 100 people, there are one or two people
1:00:31
there that don't feel empathy, that they don't feel sympathy, there's no compassion,
1:00:35
they don't have the capability of it. And this went to a discussion, which, you know,
1:00:39
I know we're running out of time here, but Zach and I were even talking this morning in Sunday
1:00:42
school preemptively to our recording today was like, okay, go back to whether or not the fallen
1:00:49
angels mixed with females and we mixed lines of angelic, fallen angelic beings with humans.
1:00:56
And if they were fallen angelic beings, that means that they were part of the demons that were,
1:01:01
you know, cast out of heaven, right? So they became demons, you know, under the leadership of Satan.
1:01:07
And so what if you come all the way down through humanity, if those lines still existed, are those
1:01:13
the people today that have like these people that go on killing sprees or these people like
1:01:17
terrorists or things like that, these people that have no empathy or sympathy for what they're doing
1:01:21
and they don't, they can't even like fathom feeling bad about it. Is that it down? Is it
1:01:26
at least possible that's a downstream consequence of demons basically intermingling with the human
1:01:32
species? Like it's an interesting thought experiment, which again, I'm just gonna throw that out there,
1:01:37
too. There's the rock and the shoe for you guys, but we do need to wrap up Genesis 11 and then get
1:01:41
out of here. So I just want to throw that in there and ruin the rest of y'all's days. So I don't know
1:01:44
who read last. I don't really care. But Zach, you're gonna read 10 through 32. So finish up Genesis 11
1:01:52
and then we will get on out here. These are the generations of Shem. When Shem was 100 years old,
1:02:05
he fathered Arpakashad. Two years after the flood and Shem lived and Shem lived after he fathered
1:02:13
Arpakashad 500 years and he had other sons and daughters. When Arpakashad had lived 35 years,
1:02:20
he fathered Shalah and Arpakashad lived after he fathered Shalah 403 years and other sons and
1:02:27
daughters. When Shalah had lived 30 years, he fathered Eber and Shalah lived after he fathered
1:02:33
Eber 403 years and had other sons and daughters. When Eber lived 34 years, he fathered Pileg.
1:02:39
And Eber lived after he fathered Pileg 430 years and had other sons and daughters. When Pileg had
1:02:44
lived 30 years, he fathered Rayu and Pileg lived after he fathered Rayu 209 years and had other sons
1:02:51
and daughters. When Rayu lived 32 years, he fathered Sarug and Rayu lived after he fathered Sarug 207
1:02:58
years and had other sons and daughters. When Sarug had lived 30 years, he fathered Nahor and
1:03:04
Sarug lived after he fathered Nahor 200 years and had other sons and daughters. When Nahor lived 29
1:03:10
years, he fathered Terah and Nahor lived after he fathered Terah 119 years and had other sons and
1:03:15
daughters. When Terah had lived 70 years, he fathered Eber and Nahor and Haran.
1:03:20
Now these are the generations of Terah. Terah fathered Eber and Nahor and Haran,
1:03:27
and Haran fathered Lot. Haran died in the presence of his fathered Terah and the land of his
1:03:31
kindered in Ur of the Chaldeans. And Eber and Nahor took wives. The name of Eberam's wife was Sarai,
1:03:41
and the name of Nahor's wife, Milka, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milka, and Iska. Now Sarai
1:03:49
was barren and she had no child. Terah took Eberam, his son, and Lot, the son of Haran, his grandson,
1:03:54
and Sarai, his daughter-in-law, his son, Eberam's wife, and they went forth together from Ur to
1:04:00
the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan. But when they came in, when they came to Haran,
1:04:05
they settled there. The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran.
1:04:11
Nicely done. Next week, guys, we are going to get into chapter 12 of Genesis, the call of Eberam.
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And as always, we want to thank the band Holy Name for allowing us to use their music for our
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content. The music on this podcast is their song Perpetua, which is off their self-titled debut album
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on Face Down Records. The links are in the description. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
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Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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