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This is Undaunted Life A Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the Forging Table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that
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forges spiritual, mental and physical resilience.
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At the Forging Table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word.
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And we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us.
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That's Russ, that's Sam, that's Matt.
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Guys, we're a little delirious.
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It's a little bit late.
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You guys don't know that because you're probably listening to this first thing on Sunday morning.
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But this is the last one of this batch.
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Do we got the energy?
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Do we got the energy to make it through?
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Absolutely.
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We're going to make this exciting.
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Ready.
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Well, let's ride right into the scripture here.
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So Sam, if you would, you've done such a good job over these last few weeks reading the scripture.
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You've already got it figured out how you can talk into the mic and also read.
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So let's keep that momentum going versus one through nine.
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My English teacher is going to be so happy.
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Are you going to send this?
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Extra reading I had to do all through school.
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What am I reading?
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One through nine, Acts 24.
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But remember, you're still having some struggles there.
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So one through nine.
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Paul, before Felix set, Caesarea.
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And after five days, the high priest, Ananias, came down with some elders and a spokesman.
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One, Tertullius.
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They laid before the governor of their case against Paul.
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And when he had been summoned, Tertullius began to accuse him, saying,
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"Since through you, we enjoy much peace.
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And since by your foresight, most excellent Felix,
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reforms are being made for this nation.
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In every way and everywhere, we accept this with all gratitude.
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But to detain you no further, I beg you and your kindness to hear us briefly.
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For we have found this man a plague, one who stirs up riots among all the Jews
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throughout the world and is a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes."
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He even tried to profane the temple, but we seized him.
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We examining him by, excuse me, by examining him yourself,
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you will be able to find out from him about everything of which we accuse him.
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The Jews also joined in the charge affirming that all these things were true.
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So let's talk a little bit about Felix.
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So apparently did a little dive into the history of Felix.
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This was like a bad dude.
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This was not a good dude.
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He was a vile dude.
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He had a penchant for being pretty cruel.
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This guy was actually born a slave.
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He was the son of Antonio Minor, who was the daughter of Mark Antony.
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So that was interesting.
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And he likely received his freedom from Emperor Claudius.
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This guy was the governor of Judea from AD 52 to either AD 59 or AD 60,
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depending upon which history you're reading.
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But he was just overall not held in high regard.
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So this was a guy that was kind of outside of polite society a little bit.
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Part of that probably had to be the fact that he was slave-born.
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And there were some finagling behind the scenes to get him
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basically freed from slavery and things like that.
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And then more finagling to get him into this position where he could rule.
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But the interesting thing about all this is there was actually a very short time period
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to prepare their case and to travel.
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Because again, it was a 60 mile trip.
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And the Jews did not have a whole lot of time to hire their spokesperson
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and get their arguments together and travel.
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And you can kind of see that a little bit because they have some charges.
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But it made it felt like a political rally almost where they're saying things with no backing whatsoever.
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But let's just dig into this first section here.
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Can I say something like this?
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It's a Tacitus, I had a note that Tacitus wrote in one of his histories
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that he described Felix as a master of cruelty and lust who exercised the powers of a king
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with the spirit of a slave.
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So that is Tacitus' description of Felix in one of his histories.
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You know, I believe that's a proverb that says something about like,
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it's one of those that says there's three things that are not right.
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Four that are abominable.
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And one of them was the, you know, a barren woman and all this stuff.
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And then one was a slave become king or something like that.
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Because of that, we discussed in a Bible study.
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It wasn't the slave factor.
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It was the mentality, the cruelty mentality.
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Yeah, he kept that slave mentality.
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Yeah, that within, when in power, he was warning against.
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That's weird.
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I've never heard that.
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When this is a slave culture and there was this obvious, this high-bornness, right?
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So if you were born into high society, like you, you were meant to be there,
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like they thought that the gods put you in that position or something like that,
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the multitude of little G gods that they had there in Rome.
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And then I thought that MacArthur commentary did a good job of kind of breaking down
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the charges that we see in verses five through seven.
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So they charged Paul with sedition.
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So that's essentially rebellion before Rome, which would be a violation of Roman law.
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The second is sectarianism, which is heresy, which would be a violation of Jewish law.
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And the third is sacrilege, which would be blasphemy, which would be a violation of God's law.
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The thing is, is all the charges were specious.
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And you can kind of tell by their argument because they say, it's like, again, this is a court of law,
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right? Where they're essentially at right now.
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So think about the courtroom scenario, like you can't handle it.
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Or think of whatever the scenario is. And they're like, this guy's a plague.
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Like he's really there. That's not a legal term.
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Like that they made no legal argument.
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There's like, he's kind of annoying.
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Like I just don't really like him.
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And it's just like, y'all came 60 miles to do that.
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And then you came 60 miles and mean girl, this guy.
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Yeah, they didn't swear on the Bible to tell the truth.
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I can tell you that, but it's interesting.
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Lawyery, you know, like everybody like, they're terrible.
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Well, this lawyer comes up and says like the exact opposite about Felix.
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Like how great you are.
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And then Paul, like the best dude in the room.
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They're like the worst over there.
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He got like both of them mixed, you know?
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And you wonder if that played into Felix's like discernment.
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They're like, yeah, anybody thinks I'm a good dude, let me hear what you've got to say.
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This guy knows what I like to hear.
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He's obviously blowing a lot of, you know, blowing a lot of smoke towards Felix and all
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that.
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But then when you get to Paul's defense, which is his third defense of himself, of the six
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that he's going to eventually give recorded in scripture here, you know, he basically doesn't
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do any of that.
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He's not really going for the flattery part.
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But again, if you've got nothing, you've got to just try.
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You've got to like, okay, maybe using the word plague or whatever the word was that they
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use at the time.
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That really was going to land with Felix somehow like, oh, this dude's a plague.
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Oh, yeah.
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The plague.
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That's a terrible word.
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Like we don't like plagues.
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And it was just like, it's just so funny because this is the best y'all got.
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Like you literally decided to do this.
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You all cost yourself money to do this, but maybe they're just seeing it as like a Hail
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Mary.
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Like, you know, maybe these charges will stick and we'll get what we want.
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Well, and it's interesting that they got somebody because weren't they the ones that
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brought the charges before, it was the high priest talking to, to Ananias and now they're
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they're like, well, we better get a lawyer, somebody else had to do this better than us.
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And it doesn't look like he does that great.
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Right.
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No, this looks like this looks like it was an attorney that was given to them like this.
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It's like, oh, you can't afford an attorney.
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It's like, well, this is the one we found.
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We just cleaned them up and put us put them in a suit.
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So it is what it is.
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I do like how in Paul's rebuttal, he does, he's still wise, but he doesn't say anything
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untrue.
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So he doesn't give him flattery.
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That's untrue.
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But what he is, he is linking back to is that he knows that there is some wisdom that
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this guy knows these people like he references that knowing that for many years you have
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been judge over this nation, I cheerfully make my defense basically saying like, I know that
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you know the background of these guys, and so I'm going to rest in the confidence that
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I'm not going to flatter you and say you've been great all these years.
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But at least I know who you are and I know where your decisions come from.
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And I know that you know these guys.
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Well, Russell, let's go ahead and get into his response.
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So go ahead and read 10 through 21.
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All right, 10 and when the governor had nodded to him to speak, Paul replied, knowing that
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for many years you have been a judge over this nation, I cheerfully make my defense.
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You can verify that it is not more than 12 days since I went up to worship in Jerusalem.
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And they did not find me disputing with anyone or stirring up a crowd either in the temple
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or in the synagogues or in the city.
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Neither can they prove to you that what they now bring up against me, but this I confess
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to you that according to the way which they have called a sect, I worship the God of our
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fathers, believing everything laid down by the law and written in the prophets, having
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a hope in God, which these men themselves accept that there will be a resurrection of
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both the just and the unjust.
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So I so I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.
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Now after several years, I came to bring alms to my nation and present the offering.
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While I was doing this, they found me purified in the temple without any crowd or tumult
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but here before you and to make an accusation.
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But some of the Jews from Asia, they ought to be here before you to make an accusation.
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Should they have anything against me or else let these men themselves say what wrong doing
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they have found when I stood before the council other than this one thing that I cried out
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while standing among them.
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It is with respect to the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial before you this
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day.
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And that's the key.
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That's the sticking point right there at the end is that he believes in the resurrection.
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And so we've got all this where he doesn't systematically defeat the charges of sedition,
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sectarianism and sacrilege, you know, as directly as you might think, but he does leave
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the main thing to be the main thing, which is let's just be real Felix, like the reason
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I'm here is because I believe in the resurrection, like that's the reason that I'm here, which
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I mean, that's the sticking point for all of humanity, for all of eternity, right?
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So I struggle with, but was that why he was there?
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Because going back before this is just kind of a weird deal that he does here is he says
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it was because of the resurrection, which I think I think this may allude to the fact
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that Paul was more worried about trying to find his end to share the gospel than he was
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about trying to defend himself because really the reason they got mad, it wasn't at the
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word of the resurrection.
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It was at the word of the Gentiles that had really set them off.
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So understand that he is maybe attacking their arguments, but it is strange that it was very
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specific about the idea that the acceptance of the Gentiles is what really triggered them.
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But here he is bringing up the resurrection almost as if he is baiting them to ask him
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about resurrection.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, that was the Pharisees Sadducees was about the resurrection part, right?
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That's what kind of set them off.
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And I was wondering the same thing.
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That's why he said that or I think you're right, though.
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I think a couple of times he was almost out and then he brings it back to like, here's
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why I'm here.
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Yeah, because there were some Pharisees already believed in the resurrection.
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So again, it's almost like he's using this deal to gather the Pharisees on his side.
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But here it doesn't seem like that was his goal as much to just bring up resurrection.
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Yeah, it almost seems like God knew that 2000 years later we would be reading this and would
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have to ourselves come and face that reality that it all comes down to.
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Do you believe in the resurrection of Christ for yourself and for like the final judgment?
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It's not just not just that Christ resurrected.
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It's that there will be a final resurrection and a final judgment because he says the resurrection
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of the just and the unjust, which kind of alludes to the day of final judgment where
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everybody, regardless of your standing, whether you're in Christ or not in Christ, there will
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be a final judgment and we will all be resurrected to the seat and the throne of God to hear
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whether we're going to spend eternity with him or we're going to be cast into the fire.
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And I think that resonates with me because I think we all have to reckon with that.
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And in God's sovereignty, like this letter has been like saved and passed down and put
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in this Bible so we can read this and know I've got to come to groups with this too.
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And I've got to put myself on trial and know, okay, do I believe that?
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Do I believe in the resurrection of Christ and how that impacts my eternity?
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So that's kind of where my head went and some of that so nailed it.
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I'm trying to think when it says it is with respect to the resurrection of the dead.
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Are you all saying like do we think he's talking about Jesus or when, you know, at the end
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of time when the dead are resurrected or just the concept of resurrection to begin with?
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Does that make sense?
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I'd say that again.
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Do we know what Paul is referring to?
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Is he referring to the resurrection of Jesus or the resurrection of the dead at the end
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of time, right?
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Or just the concept of resurrection because like the Sadducees didn't believe in resurrection
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or angels or any of that stuff, right?
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And so I'm just wondering what specifically he's referring to.
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Well, I think he says like he says in there, where is it, he talks about the resurrection
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of the just and the unjust, which to me, and I think to them would speak to the final judgment,
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the final resurrection, here it is, which these men themselves accept that there will
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be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.
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And that I think to me says, I'm talking about the end times when there will be the
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final judgment, maybe I'm wrong.
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Well, the only thing that makes me think that it is specifically about Christ, which I still
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have problems with relating why he brought that up versus the Gentiles, but the thing
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that makes me think specifically about Christ doesn't happen until 22.
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So I don't want to jump ahead, I've already done that once, jump ahead into 22.
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But it says that Felix having rather accurate knowledge of the way put them off the way
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capitalized.
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And so he references the way in kind of this code language, you almost wonder if he didn't,
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if he knew somehow that Felix's wife and Felix knew about the way and he because Felix sure
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does think that he's talking about the way being the Christians, the people that believe
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in Christ resurrection.
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So it makes me think that he is pointing to Christ.
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So reading from the stock commentary on the Logos Bible app, by the way, if you don't
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want the Logos Bible app, get a discount.
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Where would you go?
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Yeah, discount.
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Why wouldn't that guys?
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Why would you pay for free?
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But yeah, people are always wondering how can I get that?
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How can I get that?
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Where do you find that at?
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In the show notes, Sam.
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Show notes.
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So go to the show notes of this episode.
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So Oh, you're listening to this on the Apple podcast.
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You know what?
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Go to the show notes.
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It's a hyperlink.
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You know what it'll take you?
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My website.
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You know what's on the website in the show notes, a link to Logos where you can get it at a discount.
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Can I, can I, to the undaunted life there also?
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Yeah.
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You can also donate to undaunted life because we are a donation based ministry.
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I don't know if you've heard me talk about that before, but if you want to see us, you
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We're going to need that donation because this table is getting out of me.
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Yes.
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Sam is going after it.
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There is an indentation on your side of the table and it wasn't there when you got here.
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Yeah.
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I'm reading inside of this right now, it's just a couple of sentences.
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It says, and this is the stock commentary.
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The fact is that the Pharisees had declared him Paul innocent of any crime.
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So we see that in chapter 23, verse nine, only the Sadducees thought him guilty and
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that only of a theological belief concerning the resurrection of the dead.
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So that doesn't seem to be as specific as the resurrection of Jesus.
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That's in just this one commentary.
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I can look at another.
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You know why?
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Because the Logos Bible software is endless.
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And so I'm just going to go to Bible library and I'm just going to type in acts and we're
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just going to go to another guy.
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So they're saying that the accusing party here was now just made up of Sadducees.
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Right.
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And the only sticking point that they have is the theological belief in a resurrection
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in the resurrection of the dead, not a specific resurrection of a particular Nazarene.
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I just don't relate that to the Gentile thing and where it was supposed to.
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I whistled in that.
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That was very loud in the headphones.
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I know.
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I wasn't going to say anything.
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But since you're specific about the Gentiles, so that was what they got mad about back then.
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But I think when he first got pulled in, it was because they thought he was the head of
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the assassins, right?
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The Egyptian.
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Right.
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Like, wow, they had him like, hey, by the way, this guy, all right.
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This is another commentary.
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I forgot the name, so I'm just going to read it.
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Here it is again.
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Somehow preachers in the acts get to the resurrection before they finish.
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Paul claimed to be a good Jew practicing Jewish customs and expecting the Jewish hope of resurrection.
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What possible crime could Rome find with that?
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Here we have the key verse in our chapter and the unifying message of acts.
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All that I do think he's trying to, Paul was always about preaching the gospel.
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He's trying to find a way to preach together.
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Or setting it up.
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I don't know.
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Matt, you feel like you look like you've got thoughts.
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No, I'm just trying to think through this.
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These are really good points to bring up.
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I think there's definitely an implication there.
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure what the implication to me is just resurrection, and specifically what happens
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at the end.
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I only say that because he references the just and the unjust, so he's clearly trying to
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talk about resurrection in general.
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That could have been aimed at the king who's a slave and now a king.
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My argument for what mine is.
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He's seen both sides of justice.
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What I think is that it's just what the Bible says.
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All right, we need to talk about that.
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This happens to be a guy that we know and love.
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Joby Martin, he loves to say that quote, but Joby, if you're listening to this right now
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and know that you are, because you listen to all the episodes.
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If that were true, if we just do what the Bible says, because the Bible says what it
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says, there would not be any denominations except for one, because we would just read
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the Bible.
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We would know exactly what the words mean, and then we would also in turn know exactly
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what to do with that.
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So we would have not only correct orthodoxy, but orthopraxie, but because there are a million
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different denominations, I guess it says what it says, but not everyone knows exactly what
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it says and how to apply that.
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Is that fair?
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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I do want to point out it wasn't low, it was about the belt.
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Okay.
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Come on.
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I'll take it.
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Rest says play.
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Play.
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What are you saying, Sam?
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Paul talks about himself again, and I'm trying to find it here.
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I went lost it.
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Okay, here's another commentary.
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The only specific point came out that came out at the Sanhedrin hearing.
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This is verse 21, and it was a doctrinal point that half of the Sanhedrin agreed with,
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the resurrection of the dead.
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So it looks like it's just the concept overall of the resurrection of the dead, not specifically
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that Paul is claiming with the gospel that the resurrection of Jesus.
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So here, this is another point that I think logically, where Paul's going, like you have
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to believe that the resurrection in general is possible.
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If you don't believe that resurrection in general is possible, talking, going to your
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point, Sam, of Paul setting it up, if you don't believe that resurrection is possible
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in general, there's no way you would ever get to the belief that Christ then resurrected
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himself or was resurrected on the third day as our savior.
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So he's got to set up the belief and I'm just trying to go on this trail here.
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He's got to set up the belief and make the point that resurrection in general is possible
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in a thing that happens to then say, and our hope is in the resurrection, which now you
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know, and I've made the point that it's real is in the resurrection.
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Our hope is in the resurrection of Christ.
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Oh, no, maybe that's maybe I'm wrong.
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Sorry, Joby.
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Just a preeminent.
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Sorry, Joby.
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Well, I mean, I don't think it does.
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I think it does make you think that there were probably more Pharisee converts to Christianity
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than Sadducees.
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Yes.
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They had less of a hurdle to jump over to say that, well, we do believe in resurrection.
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So at least that part is not the obstacle for us to believe that someone was raised from
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the dead.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of like whenever you hear about converts in Africa, like they just culturally
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already believe in the supernatural and they believe in miracles and all that.
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So I was like, Oh, yeah, cool.
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Yeah.
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Miracles.
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Yeah.
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So which, which guy did these miracles?
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And so it's like, whereas here in our kind of Western scientific, you know, post Christian
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society, it's like really the red sea parted.
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We're very much the world is just stuff.
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Yeah.
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And that's not the case.
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Yeah.
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World isn't just stuff.
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But this is a great thing to come out of.
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This is what Bible study and looking and researching and like, this is what it looks like live.
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Like we're trying to figure this out.
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And we don't have it all figured out.
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So we're trying to process through that and navigate it.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's a slightly different perspective on the exact same thing.
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I just keep digging.
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Where'd you find that?
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So this is on the Lagos Bible software.
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If I don't know if you've heard of Lagos, but Lagos, they have the most powerful Bible
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software on planet Earth.
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And you know, it's available to everyone in our audience, but at a discount, what do
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they call it?
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Logos.
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Logos?
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Does that mean like the logos, Lagos?
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Yeah.
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It was literally forgotten.
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It was a joke.
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Did I miss it?
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Logos is the word and that's what John calls Jesus wisdom, wisdom, reason, truth, truth.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Interesting story while you're looking that up.
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So in...
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Already got it.
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Already got it.
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Gets your story.
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In oriental courts, the king would hear, he would have people come in and he would hear
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cases or he would hear questions and they would bring these things to him and he would
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make decisions.
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He would make judgments as the king.
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And when he got tired, they would close the curtain.
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So nobody could be near him.
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He'd close the curtain.
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He'd retire to his bedroom, but then he'd have, like his number two or somebody, take
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his place.
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He'd take off the medallion with the seal of the king, put it on this guy that steps
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in his place.
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This guy literally comes out representing the king.
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What he said was the king's word to disobey him was to die.
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So he'd make these judgments because the king's like, "Okay, I can't do this anymore.
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I don't want to do this.
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You're going to go to my place."
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The curtain would open.
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He'd be there.
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He would be seen and treated by everyone in the room as the king.
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You know what they call them?
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The logos.
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The logos.
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It's in place of the king.
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And so that's like...
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Reference probably too, as if the word of the king.
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Right.
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Right.
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He is the word of the king.
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And so that is a very instrumental in people at that time understanding who Jesus was.
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He was the word of the king.
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He was in place of the king.
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He was the king.
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So I don't know.
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I just always find that a very interesting thing different.
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You've seen me.
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No, me.
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Yeah.
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That's cool.
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That imputed righteousness.
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Right.
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That's kind of what you have in that moment.
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So, here's another perspective.
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On verse 21, Paul had a wonderful ability to bring up the resurrection of Jesus in all
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sorts of contexts.
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The resurrection...
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Keep going.
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Yes.
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I would if you'd shut your mouth.
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The resurrection...
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The resurrection is indeed a central doctrine to the Christian faith that shows the sufficiency
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of Christ's death, the supremacy of his lordship, and the inevitable return as Judge, capital
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J.
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We do well to follow Paul's example of funneling conversations to this life-changing world
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altering event.
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So what you're saying is everybody at this table is right.
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If you read enough commentaries.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you'll get there eventually.
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So start with what you want the desired outcome to be and then just go find someone that agrees
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with it.
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Boom.
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Yeah.
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That's like a great way to operate.
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That sounds like a great way to approach.
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Or do you guys do a Bible study and listen to everybody's point of view and they're
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realize even somebody that has a different one actually has some backing, you know, because
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it did open my eyes a little bit of what you were saying, like, makes sense.
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Or Paul is brilliant and he's doing both.
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He's playing chess.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Out there.
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And those guys are like...
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Everybody else is playing tic-tac-toe.
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Yeah.
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They're not even playing...
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Cheggers.
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They're playing tic-tac-toe.
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All right.
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I don't know that we've actually sufficiently gone through that section.
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You know, we could probably dig a little deeper.
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Anybody else got something on a 10 through 21?
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Going once.
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Nice.
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Let's close it out.
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We will take a volunteer's tribute to read the remainder of this chapter, so that's 22
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through 27.
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I'll do it.
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I feel like I've missed a few.
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I haven't read in all of them, so I'll go.
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22 through 27.
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But Felix, have you...
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We can tell we're towards the end.
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Oh, man.
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Here we go.
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Okay.
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He's having a rather accurate knowledge of the way.
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Put them off saying, "When Lisius the Tribune comes down, I will decide your case."
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Then he gave orders to the centurion that he should be kept in custody, but have some
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liberty and that none of his friends should be prevented from attending to his needs.
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After some days, Felix came with his wife, Jerusalem, who was Jewish, and he sent for
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Paul and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus.
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And as he reasoned about righteousness and self-control and the coming judgment, Felix
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was alarmed and said, "Go away for the present.
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When I get an opportunity, I will summon you."
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At the same time, he hoped that money would be given him by Paul, so he went for him often
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and conversed with him.
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When two years had elapsed, Felix was succeeded by Portius Festus and desiring to do the Jews
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a favor, Felix left Paul in prison.
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So that kind of sucks.
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And so we have like a two-year thing, like in one sentence, we've got like two years
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of the story that gets lost.
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The interesting thing about this, it talks about Festus here.
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Festus was known as a great leader.
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And so he was known as somebody that was better than the leader before him, which was Felix
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and better than the leader after him.
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Pretty low bar, though.
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Yeah.
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I mean, apparently, Felix was just an absolute train wreck of a human being, but there was
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an interesting thing about this.
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And we talked about this.
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I think it was last week, but this was in the MacArthur commentary.
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Felix had brutally suppressed a riot in Caesarea, and that infuriated the Jews who managed to
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complain to Rome and have him replaced.
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So just think about that.
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The Jews got together and complained in such a compelling way that Felix had been too heavy
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handed to put that down this rebellion.
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So let's go back to it.
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Emperor Nero recalled him to Rome.
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This is Felix where he would be, where he would have faced severe punishment if his influential
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brother, palace, that's P-A-L-L-A-S, P-A-S, had not interceded for him.
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And so Felix was just an absolute screw up.
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If not for his brother, he probably would have faced some incredibly serious and brutal
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retribution from Nero.
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But that's basically what happened there at the end, but not for nothing.
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He was responsible for making sure Paul stayed in prison because it's like, okay, yeah, sorry,
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Jews, you know, I was a little heavy handed back in the day, y'all got me removed from
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my office.
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But as a favor to you guys, just to try to smooth it over, we'll just leave him in prison
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for two years.
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No biggie.
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So I think there's a lot, a lot here in this, um, as he reasoned about righteousness and
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self-control and the coming judgment, Felix was alarmed.
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Like I, there's, there's something in that, and I love the idea that so he sent him away,
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but then he keeps him for two years and it doesn't say he kept him and he didn't talk
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to him.
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He, for two years, I mean, this tells me that maybe Paul's motive, if it was to bring up
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the resurrection, that his motive succeeded and that he got him to a point of curiosity.
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And then he reasoned with him, almost apologetic style, like he reasoned with him about the
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things that he knew he was interested in and maybe lacking in righteousness, self-control
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and coming judgment.
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Those are all things that it sounds like whenever we read about Felix sounds like those were
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things that were not in his will house that he was bringing up and he was saying, let
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me tell you about this Jesus and how it should affect what your flaws are.
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That's, that's kind of where I was going with that too.
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Like there was a little bit of conviction within Felix and he like he sends him away.
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That made me think of that quote by saying a guston that says, people love truth when
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it enlightens them, but hate truth when it accuses them.
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And so that, I mean, you can clearly see, or there is implication that he was feeling
30:57
accused and there was some conviction in his heart.
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So he's like, Oh gosh, I got to get out of here.
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Because that doesn't feel good because I'm being kind of called to the mat there.
31:04
So that's a good lesson in apologetics too, is that we have to be okay with the idea
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that some of the things that we are going to say are going to alarm people, hopefully
31:14
enough for them to be alarmed enough to want to understand it better so that they can understand
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where they fall on that line.
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And a lot of times like this is another good thing to, to say about apologetics is we see
31:28
here that it takes time.
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I don't think anybody could argue that Paul is not doing apologetics here whenever he
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starts spending this two years with him reasoning and righteousness and self control and then
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coming judgment and then starts talking about more and more stuff.
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It takes a lot of time.
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And we obviously know that some of the self control stuff probably didn't take.
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And he probably wasn't done with, with what Paul had planned to do with him by the time
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that what you said happened and his heavy hand comes down, Paul is probably, yep, I've
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been working with him on that.
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That's interesting.
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I just lost my train of thought, Oh, to your point about truth, like, yes, truth can offend,
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but we should always be ready to tell the truth because it's not on us and we can, we
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can be so burdened by wanting to skate around the truth to not offend somebody.
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So our quote unquote witnesses not hurt, but it's, it's not us who is going to bring someone
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to Christ or to help or to finally get them to understand.
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But we may be part of the process.
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I think Greg Cokel says, most of us are not harvesters.
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We are gardeners and we tend to the garden.
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We can water the plants, but we're not going to harvest.
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That's God's the harvester.
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He's going to, he's going to take it when it's ready.
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And I think sometimes we can flip those and think, Oh, gosh, I shouldn't say that because
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I want him to come to Christ so bad that I just, I should, maybe I shouldn't say that,
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but we should, we shouldn't be a dick about it, but we should just tell the truth.
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Makes me think of the parable of the sewer and that there are weeds grown around some
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people.
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And sometimes our job is not to worry about their growth, but to worry about clearing some
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of those choking weeds away, you know, helping them be able to breathe to grow to maturity
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and things like that.
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And probably the same thing in our own lives, but a good point.
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And Felix put him away for two years, right?
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He's, it's on his conscious, he's thinking about it and said a deal and with it.
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It's like, I'll take care of that another day.
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One Felix can be pretty patient because it seems like he's, he's trying to get money.
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He's trying to think that, Hey, there's going to be payday for some, you know, for this
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at some point, but he runs out of, you know, runway before he can get off the ground.
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I think I heard it said that when that he probably had an idea of how much money Paul
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actually brought to pay at the, at the temple, right?
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Cause that's what he went and he paid for those guys.
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And so there was probably a misconception by Felix as well that maybe Paul or his associates
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and friends, it behooved Felix to let his friends come because it was building up this
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GoFundMe type thing to be like, all right, let's get Paul out of, Paul out of jail.
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Yeah.
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And it doesn't seem like it played out that way.
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Acts 21, 17, when he had counted Jerusalem, the brothers received us gladly because they
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had cheddar.
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And so they, they brought a lot of money.
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And so it's like, yeah, I would receive you gladly as well.
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Cause that's exactly what we needed at that moment.
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All about Gentile money.
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That's right.
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We don't like, we don't like the Gentiles, but we like their money.
34:37
That's right.
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It all spins the same.
34:39
Interesting, like, one of the things that sticks out to me is he had a rather accurate
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knowledge of the way, like in some of the commentary, I think in, in, uh, mine and Sam's
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Bible says that probably because of his wife, who was Jewish, um, and so he had some knowledge
34:56
there of, of what was going on with them.
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But that's, that's interesting that he was in a position, had the knowledge, um, to do
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what he did.
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Like, I don't think there's a lot of other people that probably knew, you know, a lot
35:11
about this new thing that was happening.
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Um, so an interesting thing about Driscilla is like, I saw this, that she was a teenager
35:21
at the time that she was married, that she was actually wooed away by Felix from, from
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her previous husband, but he was responsible for her divorce.
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Yeah.
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And then so Driscilla was the youngest daughter of hair to grip of the first and that's the
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hair that killed James and X 12. And so there's a lot of that's kind of connections here
35:37
with all this. And so we don't know to what extent, uh, she gave Felix an understanding
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of the way, but you can see that there was enough understanding to where there was an
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impact there. But yeah, I think, I mean, I'm Russ, I'm with you that I think verse 25
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is that key verse where you're talking about, he's talking to him or righteousness, self
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control and the coming judgment.
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If he had just stopped after righteousness and self control, you're just annoying. It's
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like you're, you're, you're pecking out the edges of my personality. And maybe that I
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don't like that. But hey, because you are that way, there's a coming judgment. It's not
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just for you, Felix, just for everybody. And so I'm reminded of different times when I've
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seen, um, conservative commentators or, you know, pro life advocates or something like
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that, whenever they're talking to people and then they, they say something that the person
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on the other side finds just to be anathema, like they couldn't believe it. So I'll use
36:29
an extreme example. So when you see a pro life, like there's a thing called abolitionists
36:33
rising, they basically take the signs, they go out on, you know, sidewalks and different,
36:37
you know, public places and they try to engage people in a discussion about, uh, the issue
36:40
of life. And you know, these people automatically, they're, they're just getting hectic and frantic
36:46
and manic. And they're just like, so if my little sister who's 14 were raped, you're
36:51
saying that she should carry her rapist baby.
36:55
And eventually the person says, I do not think that the baby should get the death penalty
36:59
for something that their father did. And these people are like, Oh, I can't believe
37:03
you would say something so evil because to them, it sounds evil. It sounds like that's
37:08
the evil thing. It's like no, actually it's evil to give an innocent bystander the death
37:13
penalty for something that they had nothing to do with, right? Name, name another scenario
37:17
where that would be okay. Just one y'all wait. Yeah. I mean, I'd tell people all the time,
37:21
like if my dad decided to knock over a liquor store in law in Oklahoma and on his way out
37:27
the door, shoot the clerk in the head. If I get the death penalty for that, that's, that's
37:32
a people would be like, yeah, of course that's ridiculous. You would say that was just right.
37:36
Right. But in this scenario, it's like we're putting a value judgment on certain humans
37:41
and saying, no, I value this person and their autonomy above the other person. And then there's
37:45
a million other arguments within the pro life circle. Again, they think that the baby is
37:49
somehow, you know, the same thing as the mother not a separate entity that is inside of the
37:54
other entity or something like that. But it just reminds me of something like this to
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where he just, you know, Felix pushes Paul way. It's like, nope, nope, nope. Nope. I don't
38:01
want to hear that. I don't want to hear about this coming judgment. I don't want to hear
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any of that because if I have to hear about it, I have to reckon with it. Yeah. And that's
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the thing I think I talked about a couple of weeks ago about intellectual honesty. There's
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such a dearth of intellectual honesty because people don't want their positions to be challenged.
38:18
But people, especially people that tend to be more conservative politically or Christians
38:23
or things like that, these are people that want to know the truth. Okay. There's this
38:27
assumption that it's the Christians that are the ones plugging their ears and sitting
38:31
in the corner like, no, I don't want my position challenged. It's like, that's not the Christians
38:34
that I know. The Christians that I know are digging into apology apologetics. They are
38:38
hearing arguments from ardent, you know, atheists and you know, militant agnostics and things
38:44
like that because they want to know, is my philosophy sound? Is my entire worldview based
38:50
on faith, which is essentially nothing when it comes to the world of proof. Right? And
38:55
so that's, that's what we see as another example here of a unrighteous evil man. The moment
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he is presented with something that, you know, crescendos with his judgment, he's like, no,
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I don't want any part of this. Yeah. And I think we should be leery of that in our own
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lives to know and pray that we have the discernment to see if that is us because it doesn't matter.
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We all have blind spots. And so if someone is speaking truth to us and I'm saying this
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to myself more than, more than anybody else is we should be able to hear that and have
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an open mind to that and be able to take some reflection and go, okay, is that me? And at
39:37
the same time, like be praying for those people who don't and the people in your life who
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are like Felix because there's more of those people out there than not that their heart
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would be open, their mind would be open to the truth because at the end of the day, we're
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all going to see God. And there's only two options on the table. There's no, there's
40:03
no gray area. There's no, all right, B plus is good. It's either you're either all in
40:08
or you're all out. And we should be praying for people to be opened and know Christ just
40:16
as we do. I would, I would like to make, you know, to go cut off of that is to make the
40:22
argument that we are all Felix, kind of we are all Felix. And, and there are times that
40:29
we all should be Felix in the sense of we should be in the word. And I'm sure this has
40:35
happened to y'all have, have everybody probably has one right now that you, you've read a
40:41
verse and it alarms you. There's something about it that just sticks with you and you
40:45
don't deal with it right then, you got to put it away. And it seems like it just keeps
40:50
on coming up and it keeps on coming up. And, and two years down the road, you find yourself
40:56
going back to that verse and being like, man, what is it that alarms me about this? What
41:00
is it that sits so uneasy with me about this? And you go back and you have conversations
41:06
with that verse and things like that. So there's part of that that Felix is going through
41:11
that almost feel like is healthy. Like a healthy example of to be alarmed by something, but
41:17
don't get too distant, don't get too distant from those things that alarm you. Yeah, allow
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those things that alarm you from the word to stay close to you while you digest what
41:28
that means to the gospel is a double edged sword. It shouldn't and should cut, but it
41:32
should also bring hope. And for me, I think it's Galatians. I think it's Galatians where
41:38
Paul talks about the man and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, the man who doesn't provide
41:44
for his family is worse than an unbeliever. Man, I think about that a lot as a leader
41:49
of a family and that haunts me. And not that I like, I don't feel like I'm not, but like,
41:54
I just think about that so much like, man, if I'm ever in a place where I'm not providing
42:00
for my family, like I'm Paul would say I'm worse than an unbeliever.
42:04
That's first Timothy five, eight. And whenever I've been at the worst parts of my career,
42:08
it's killing it on low go straight. Yeah. That was just Google going. But the, I knew
42:15
we did it on the forging table. I knew we talked about on the forging table. So I knew
42:18
it was one of those. Well, and the thing about it is at the worst parts of my career, right?
42:24
And I've had some really low lows in my career, especially in sales where things just aren't
42:28
going your way and things aren't breaking your way. And I read that scripture and I'm like,
42:32
yeah, crap, crap. I'm going to hell because I can't close the deal, right? In the level
42:38
of like pressure you put on yourself or if you're in a job that's just not fulfilling
42:42
and that it's not leading to, you know, betterment for your family. But the scariest scripture
42:46
for me of all the scriptures is Matthew 7 21. Not everyone who says to me, the Lord Lord
42:51
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my father who isn't
42:55
heaven. And I'm like, shoot, shoot. Like, am I, am I that one? Am I the one that's like
43:01
talking about him on the podcast? Oh, now on the airwaves. And then I'm like, but Jesus,
43:05
I did it, you know, 700 episodes in your name. It's like, nope, get out of my presence.
43:09
I didn't know you. I think it's Martin Lloyd Jones. Oh, I can Google it here. So you just
43:15
get close and then says, and I think there's other verses where there's some similar commentary.
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The person who's most worried that they are the person who Jesus will say, I never knew
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you is probably not in danger. It's the guy who's like, I'm good. I agree. That's the one.
43:31
That's the person who's probably in danger of being said that or Jesus saying that to
43:36
them. If you're worried about it, probably a pretty good start. Yes. Well, I'm worried
43:41
about it. So according to Martin Lloyd Jones, that's a good sign. It's a good sign. While
43:44
we're on the subject matter and while I've got Google at my fingertips, is there another
43:49
scripture that is absolutely terrifying to you or should I ask Chad GPT? I think the all
43:54
the ones about like your house and the curse follows you for generations. I think that's
43:58
huge. And me and my house, I would love to do a deep dive on that sometime. Just how
44:04
much it affects the good things you do, the bad things you do, how that affects your house
44:09
and the Old Testament talks a lot about like if you believe your whole house goes to heaven
44:14
or your whole house is saved and I don't know. I need to just do some deep diving on it, but
44:20
I think it's part of that. Like I'm a little scared of it too. Like what all does that
44:24
mean? What kind of control and power do I have here? Yeah, I think talking about our
44:32
kids and our family salvation, I think is really scary specifically from like the dominion
44:39
that we've been given as heads of families and the judgment that we will see in greater
44:47
magnitude as the leader of a family. Just as pastors are held to a higher standard,
44:53
we are held to a higher standard as leaders of family. And so I think there is a daunting aspect
44:57
of if my kids aren't saved, like to a certain extent, that's on me. And so to your point,
45:07
yeah, that's a pretty scary thing to think about. No, man, it just means there weren't elect.
45:12
No big deal. That's also true. It's just what it says. It just says it.
45:17
So the two that affect me are the one that I shared last week about the blood of Christ not
45:24
being able to be shed twice for that. That was one that used to affect me more. But it all I would
45:33
lie if I said that it doesn't bring me to complete broken in contriteness before the Lord.
45:38
And I think that's where that should bring me. It puts me in a good perspective of where I stand
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with the Lord and that everything is about grace. The other one for anybody that does any preaching
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or teaching is the verse that talks about that many people should not teach or should not preach.
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It's James too, right? Yeah. James also.
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Yeah. That they will be judged more harshly. And so that one every time, you know, even doing
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podcasts like this or doing anything just is one to, it's another kind of one of those
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Paul scriptures, like if you're Felix and that's Paul to be alarmed by, keep close to you,
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have conversations about that scripture with yourself to remind yourself, again, there is a
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coming judgment. There's an uneasiness with that for a reason that I probably need to keep
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front of mind. I agree with that. I think, again, back to the double edged sword part,
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there's an old Shane and Shane song. I don't, I think it's Shane and Shane. I think they're
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the ones that wrote it. Oklahoma. It's, it's. You just get close. You just get close.
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Get close. So it's talking about like the devil, like preaching the word to him.
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Embracing accusation? Yeah. That's what it's called. I don't know if that's changed.
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It's, it's their song that they wrote. So he's talking. Yeah, I just had that one right ago.
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The devil is preaching, like preaching scripture over him. And he's talking about like how I am
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not worthy and I am just a sinner and he goes through this whole and he's speaking truth. He's
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speaking scripture and it's truth, but it's only half truth in the, the, the chorus is talking about
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what he's got in the, he's forgotten the refrain that Jesus saves. And so we should view scripture
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in light of coming judgment and that should terrify us. But then on the flip side,
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Jesus finishes it out and Jesus saves us and we're, if we're in Christ, we're, we're all good.
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Let me actually read it. I think it's worth reading this here. So again, it sounds cooler when
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Shane and Shane is harmonizing it, but this is embracing accusation by Shane and Shane. And I
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think it's off of the pages album. That's correct. The father of lies coming to steal, kill and
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destroy all my hopes of being good enough. I hear him saying, cursed are the ones who can't abide.
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He's right. Hallelujah. He's right. The devil is preaching the song of the redeemed that I am
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cursed and gone astray. I cannot gain salvation embracing accusation. Could the father of lies be
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telling the truth of God to me tonight? If the penalty of sin is death, then death is mine.
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I hear him saying, cursed are the ones who can't abide. He's right. Hallelujah. He's right. The
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devil is preaching the song of the redeemed that I am cursed and gone astray. I cannot gain salvation.
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Oh, the devil singing over me an age old song that I am cursed and gone astray, astray, singing the
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first verse so conveniently over me, he's forgotten the refrain. Jesus saves. He redeemed us from the
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curse of the law. And that's basically, it just keeps repeating that he's redeemed us from the
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curse of the law. And so, but the thing is, is when you listen to it, which I would highly recommend
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embracing accusation by Shane, Shane, check it out on YouTube or Apple music or Spotify or whatever,
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it's a buildup. It is a slow burn until you get to the, but he's forgotten the refrain.
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Jesus saves to where it's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. The accusation
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is correct. It's correct. It's correct. But you've forgotten the refrain. Jesus saves.
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You forgot the mic drop, absolutely drops coming. Russ, I'm going to go back to your
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thing. I can't quite find the scripture that you're talking about about the blood of Jesus twice.
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Help me with Google terms, because I'm not even getting closer. I'm just going to say words that
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you know what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure it's in James. That's where I wish. Hey,
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you just need to have Terry on any time I'm here, because I'm really half of a
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functional podcaster. I want to see if Sam can get it before Kyle.
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Oh, okay. So hurry up. Give me some, give me some to Google here.
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It's about just type in verse about not being able to be saved a second time.
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Oh, come on. That's going to make it hard.
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And then look for a verse in possibly James. Matt, can you like wrap or something so there's not
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dead air? All those years of Bible drills is not helping me right now.
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I wasn't going to say it to your point about like what the Shane and Shane song says about
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the use of like the scripture that condemns him without the salvation piece. It reminds me of when
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Satan tempts Jesus and the use of scripture out of context without the full picture of what that
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is. I think a better and not to try to dog on Shane and Shane. They're my favorite band of all time.
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Reach out to Kyle if you want to send me some air up on swag. I'd be happy to take some.
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I think a better way to put it was he's left out on purpose to refrain that Jesus saves.
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Because that's intentional. I think like Satan knows scripture like he knows the word better
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than we do probably. And I think he's intentional with that. And it's very easy for us to to fall
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into that. Oh gosh, I am terrible. I am awful. I am depraved. That's something that scares me.
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The fact that he knows the scripture better than me. Yeah, he's still fighting. He's not
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omniscient or omnipresent or any other types of things. But dude, he's got what I someone said.
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It's like, dude, he's got your game film. Like he knows everything is going to take to get you.
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I mean, we were talking about screw table letters a week or two ago.
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Hebrews six, six. Close. Yeah, not even. And who have fallen away to be brought back to repentance to
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lose. They are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting themselves to public disgrace.
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So really got to start in Hebrew six, five, which do it live. It takes a little time to get to Hebrew
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six, five. That'd be us there. Okay. You man. Yeah, we got a support for it is impossible in the case
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of those who have once been enlightened to have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the
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Holy Spirit and have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the age to come.
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And then have fallen away to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucified once again,
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since they are crucifying once again, the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
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Is that saying the same thing? We're like God will bring home a Christian that gets too far from him.
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Yeah, so for me it was a scary verse because I felt there were points in my walk with Christ
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that I felt like that there was a gap there. You know, I don't know. Look at how big this section is
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for four through eight. Yeah, there's a lot there and there's a whole bunch that's crazy.
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Would everyone listening just please pause for a second while we're eating?
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We got to sound smart. It's not going well.
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This is what a real Bible study looks like. You're not the only one that's we don't know.
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You got a skip button if you want it. So for me that that was why you're reading. That was the
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that was one of the verses along with the other one about being careful about teachers and preachers
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and that you'll be judged. That was one that just makes me make me have a little not uncertainty.
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Like I said before I've gotten past that but it was one that I keep near because I actually like
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the position it puts me in to the full surrendering of that the only thing I will be saying is every
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time they bring up every time a judgment and accusation comes up I will just look to him and
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I'll say Jesus like the man on the middle cross if it starts with but I like you're in the wrong
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state of mind you're in the wrong. But he what he say. Do you want to just read that section?
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Is it worth it? It's it starts again like oh boy. That's a lot. That's what took me so long.
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When you're looking at a study Bible a good clue on the importance of a topic is that page
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division like how little scriptural scripture to Bible commentary on this this specific section
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it's like a third of the page of scripture and then the bottom two thirds is all commentary
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and it's all those verses that rest is read. So you know it's important.
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There's a lot of this is this is one that I don't think that you could say
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well that's just what the word said because there is a lot of commentary on this.
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Yes, bam, bam, bam. You saying Joey's wrong? Huh? You all ready to throw me under the bus?
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What I'm saying is I don't think Joey would say that phrase about something with this verse.
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There's a lot a lot to the meaning of it. There's a lot to unpack there for sure but I think you
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still probably come back to it is what it says. It's probably worth the Google.
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Yeah. It says what it says if you already know what it means like that's the problem.
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That's the difference. You have a theology degree and so it's like yeah you've already
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read all the commentary should Jack Wagon like I haven't like I don't know what it means.
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Hey can anybody reference the movie reference that I just did? What?
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Probably worth the Google. Now I hope I'm the first one to reference Lego Batman on this podcast
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which I think is one of the most brilliantly written comedies. That is a great actually I
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watched that on Russ's recommendation. Did you love it? That's one of our favorite moves.
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I've probably seen that movie 20 times. That movie is incredible. Every time you watch it,
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every time you listen to it, you find something new and I listen to it. I'm a huge fan of Michael
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Jackson the free Willie soundtrack and there's a no it's not free Willie. It's a man in the mirror
55:28
but man in the mirror in there like I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan music music only.
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Not extracurricular. Yeah. That was the movie that we had in the DVD player in the car when we first
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got a video of DVD in the backseat. So I listened to that movie 20 times before I ever saw it and
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I would just play it just listen to the jokes. Oh I'll just play it and just listen like whenever
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I first we first played it Tiffany wasn't paying attention and I had to stop it. I was like we're
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starting this up. You got to listen from the very first line where this is going. I loved it.
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So good. We're going to go back. We've had we've had Lego Batman talked about in this batch.
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We've had some Tropic Thunder. We've talked about scriptures that actually terrify us.
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Is there anything else because we didn't even bring up any scriptures that have direct references
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to hell and here's another reference. What are you most terrified of? Snake clowns.
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Snake clowns. That's your reference from the movie.
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So good. Remember that? I do. There we go. Well I can't think of a better place to leave it than
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that. So guys no no you definitely didn't but now you got a lot of people that are at least like
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Lego Batman curious. Please please go watch Lego Batman and reach your Bible.
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Yeah I was gonna say forget the Bible forget digging into scriptures and you know definitely
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you know send people on a wild goose chase and get them not even anywhere close to the
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reference that you were making. I'm not sure what that was about. We landed the plane. Yeah
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eventually we landed with Lego Batman but that's okay. So one quick question is that like that was
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like a movie that was like a theaters or that's like a YouTube thing. It movie movie for sure.
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It was in theaters kind of I don't know if theaters might be a broad term but it was after the actual
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Lego movie they started coming out with it. Everything is awesome and the Lego Batman not to be confused
57:10
with the Lego movie Lego Batman. Lego Batman is in the Lego movie and then they're like oh let's spin
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off. Well who's the guy that plays it it's the same guy from Arrested Development. It's Joe will it's
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Will Arnett. Will Arnett. Yeah it's great. Shout out to Will Arnett. Well guys this has been
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absolutely enthralling especially here at the very end but I guess we can leave Acts 24 there
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