THE FORGING TABLE | Acts 19 (Ep. 671)

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1:18 This is Indaunted Life, a man's podcast.

1:22 I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.

1:25 Welcome back to the forging table.

1:26 The mission of Indaunted Life is equipping men to push back darkness with content that

1:29 forges spiritual mental and physical resilience.

1:32 At the forging table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience

1:35 by digging into God's word, and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with

1:37 us.

1:38 That's Ryan.

1:39 That's Eric, and we've still got Jay Reisner here at the table with us, now here's the

1:41 thing, guys.

1:42 I know for those of you listening to this and Apple Podcast Land or Spotify Land or Watch

1:46 on YouTube or whatever, you didn't know this, but we just got through having a delicious

1:50 meal.

1:51 And so we've had some meat and some rice and some protein balls, and we've had some good

1:56 delicious drinks and things like that.

1:58 And so it's these last two that we always like to get after that.

2:02 We kind of like, maybe we bring things down a little bit.

2:05 The energy isn't as high as it could be or need be, and I feel like we just need to get

2:09 pumped up.

2:10 And what it makes me think of is times whenever I have seen powerlifters before they get a

2:14 big lift.

2:15 They're wearing their suit and they've got their belt on and right before they get on

2:19 the bar, they get some smelling salts and they just get a little, they just get a little

2:24 puff real quick and get some pumped up.

2:26 And I just so happened to still have the world's strongest smelling salts in my possession.

2:33 So again, for those of you that missed out on the episodes from times gone by, I think

2:38 that was with a Dagen and Ryan Horn, and I forget who else was doing that batch.

2:43 When I got these in the mail.

2:45 The bottle was sealed.

2:47 It was inside of the packaging, which was inside of the mailer.

2:50 And so I get my knife and my truck and I go to open it.

2:52 I accidentally just puncture the packaging under the mailer and it was so pungent.

2:57 I had to roll the windows down.

2:58 It was still, it was still sealed.

3:00 The bottle was still sealed, but guys for our audience and for the overall like sanctity

3:07 of the content, I think we would be remiss if we didn't just, you know, take, take a little

3:12 bit off of this just to try to get that pump, try to get a little bit, Ryan, do you have

3:16 a question?

3:17 Is it rancid smelling because it's just eight?

3:20 It's not rancid.

3:21 I know you got a sense of stomach.

3:22 I know you do.

3:23 You see this guy dread to clean a deer, it's hilarious, but no, it's not going to be like

3:26 that.

3:27 But I will tell you, I will tell you, okay, guys, just listen, just listen.

3:30 When you keep it closed until you're ready to give it a sniff, do not put it directly

3:35 under your nose.

3:36 Don't sniff it like your sniffing bath and body works lotion and keep your eyes closed

3:41 after you open it, okay?

3:42 And the only person who gets to opt out of this is one of the elders at our church.

3:45 So Jay, if you don't want to do this, I completely understand.

3:47 I'm not going to make you do it.

3:48 No, this is not a drug to any of you guys out there and none of that type of thing.

3:52 And just so you can prove that there's nothing squirrely, I'm going to, I'm going to do

3:55 it first.

3:56 I don't like knock me out.

3:57 No, no, no, it's fine.

3:58 It's fine.

3:59 It's fine.

4:00 You're not going to throw up.

4:01 You're fine.

4:02 Okay.

4:03 Here we go.

4:04 Here we go.

4:05 Eric, am I supposed to say, I mean the brand, that is the brand.

4:23 So if you're looking for it, shout out to Juji Mufu.

4:25 Okay.

4:26 Again, keep your eyes closed.

4:27 Juji Mufu.

4:28 I'm so sorry.

4:29 Just get it.

4:30 Oh my God.

4:31 All right, we're skipping over Jay, we're letting him think about it.

4:38 All right.

4:39 But just for now, I'm just just for now again.

4:42 Keep your eyes closed.

4:43 Don't don't take a super hot on my hands.

4:45 Okay.

4:46 All right.

4:47 Just do it.

4:48 Just do it.

4:49 Golly man.

4:50 You got this.

4:51 Dude, you're going to feel amazing.

4:55 Oh, that was way too much.

5:04 Why did you do it so hard?

5:07 Ryan.

5:08 Ryan.

5:09 I can't do that.

5:10 I've never done drugs, but I feel like that's what happens when you take cocaine.

5:15 Oh my gosh.

5:16 Okay.

5:17 My eyes are...

5:18 All right.

5:19 Jay.

5:20 Jay, are you going for it?

5:21 Okay.

5:22 All right.

5:23 Just remember, close your eyes.

5:24 Just close your eyes.

5:25 Okay.

5:26 Just go.

5:27 Okay.

5:28 Jay, just don't go too.

5:29 Just don't go too deep.

5:30 Not too.

5:31 Just got to make sure you get in there a little bit.

5:34 Oh, yeah.

5:35 Yeah.

5:36 That was a very prudent approach to this.

5:37 So...

5:38 Oh my gosh.

5:39 Yeah.

5:40 Zach Todd real quick.

5:41 Okay.

5:42 Got to go get something for my nose.

5:43 You got to go to the bathroom.

5:44 Okay.

5:45 Jay, let's let Ryan out real quick.

5:46 Don't worry.

5:47 We won't start getting into the great stuff without you, but I will say the first time we

5:52 did this, I literally text the guys a few hours later.

5:55 Oh, [inaudible].

5:56 And we could still...

5:57 You could still...

5:58 You're right.

5:59 We could smell it hours later because the first time I did it, I put it right under my

6:04 nose and I took a big, deep breath, kind of like I was in like nose and a whiskey or

6:08 something like that.

6:10 It was ridiculous.

6:11 Like I couldn't believe, like I literally grabbed on to whoever was to my right, I think

6:14 it was digging and I was like, I can't, I can't even concentrate, like what just happened.

6:18 I thought I had ruined myself, but then two seconds goes by and you're fine.

6:20 So how do you guys feel?

6:22 You feel like pumped up?

6:23 Rejuvenated.

6:24 I'm a lot of clarity.

6:25 A lot of clarity.

6:26 Since COVID though, like I don't smell as well.

6:30 Oh, remember you lost your smell?

6:32 Yeah.

6:33 And I lost for like totally a loss of like six months and...

6:35 What?

6:36 Yeah.

6:37 And then still don't really have nothing smells the way it used to smell.

6:40 Six months?

6:41 Yeah.

6:42 And so that was gosh now four years ago, almost, that I've kind of just completely had a different...

6:46 Oh my goodness.

6:47 I need to go into plumbing or something like that because...

6:50 Ooh, okay, see with COVID, I got the first whatever COVID that there was and so it knocked

6:55 out my sense of taste and smell.

6:57 And did it knock out your taste for six months?

6:59 No, my taste subtly came back after maybe a month, but then smell went away for six months

7:04 and then still nothing smells or tastes the same.

7:07 Yeah.

7:08 The body aches and the dry mouth and the congestion and all that.

7:11 That was bad, but it was the can't, couldn't smell thing.

7:15 It like depressed me because I was like, during that moment, I tried a whole bunch of

7:20 foods that I normally absolutely hate in the test just to make sure I didn't have smelling

7:25 and taste.

7:26 Like I literally got a salad with onions and avocado and cucumbers and all the stuff that

7:30 I just don't normally eat or don't like at all and I just ate it and it was like there

7:34 was nothing happening.

7:35 I was so depressed because I just couldn't taste anything and maybe think of when Matt

7:38 Chandler was talking about, do you think about how great taste buds are?

7:41 Like we don't need taste buds, but God gave those to us so that we could actually enjoy

7:45 meals and things like that.

7:46 Ryan, you look terrible.

7:48 What is...

7:49 Are you okay?

7:50 I don't have no fear.

7:51 Why did you go so hard?

7:52 I know.

7:53 Dude, I gave everyone fair warning.

7:54 You just go all the way down.

7:56 No, you did not.

7:57 No, you did not.

7:58 No, you didn't.

7:59 You have video evidence.

8:00 Oh, man.

8:01 Hey, no.

8:02 Actually, guys, hang on.

8:03 Hang on.

8:04 I forgot to hit record.

8:07 Just kidding.

8:08 I'm just kidding.

8:09 I'm just kidding.

8:10 Yeah.

8:11 Y'all are going to have to do it again.

8:13 Oh, heck no.

8:14 I think I did.

8:15 That joke.

8:16 The eyes are still watering.

8:17 Yeah.

8:18 They're still red.

8:19 No, I didn't.

8:20 Well, probably after I was like, "Ah, burns!"

8:22 Why would you do that to yourself?

8:25 Why would you do that to your friends?

8:27 You're not my friend.

8:28 I'm just like, I needed...

8:29 I just need that reaction.

8:30 I'm your 3 a.m.

8:31 friend, but you know this.

8:32 No, but like, I just needed to, you know, for you guys to feel that because like it's

8:34 for the content, right?

8:35 It's for the audience, right?

8:37 Don't ever do it.

8:39 Next time you need to get those inberries.

8:41 If you try that, the little, it's like a little, almost like a little pill thing, almost

8:45 like a star burst.

8:46 You know, it's different.

8:47 But anyway, you put in your mouth, you suck on it for like three or four minutes, and

8:51 then everything tastes super duper sweet.

8:53 So you like, you get something like a lemon, and you put it in your mouth.

8:58 It tastes like the sweetest lemon you've ever tasted in your mouth.

9:01 So what, like, what is it?

9:03 It's a, it basically blocks sour in my berry.

9:07 Yeah.

9:08 It blocks sour receptors.

9:09 So anything you taste, whether it's already sweet or not sweet at all, if there's any

9:14 bit of sweetness in it, it pulls out 100%.

9:17 I love sour though.

9:18 Oh, so you take a bite of steak.

9:20 You tell me the steak will taste sweet or I don't know about that.

9:23 It's like more sour stuff.

9:24 Like, yeah, yeah.

9:25 Take like your sick.

9:26 Take your fruits and your acidic things.

9:27 Would it make me actually like coffee?

9:30 If you have to put a cream in your coffee, just don't drink it.

9:33 Oh, yeah.

9:34 Amen.

9:35 Why would anyone drink it?

9:36 It smells terrible.

9:37 It tastes even worse.

9:38 Yeah.

9:39 I know.

9:40 I've smelled smelling salts now.

9:41 Yeah.

9:42 And hurts my nose.

9:43 I can't imagine.

9:44 You just ruined my palate.

9:45 Yeah. What if you got like the COVID thing like you can't smell right for like six months?

9:49 Yeah.

9:50 I saved so much money on Cologne.

9:52 Okay.

9:53 Ryan, see, I wasn't going to bring it up, but Jay.

9:55 I had to.

9:56 No.

9:57 No, you didn't have to.

9:59 I've you wanted to.

10:00 I didn't want to.

10:01 You wanted to.

10:02 It was just the perfect set.

10:03 Jay, I think it's important for pastors and elders at our church to know exactly what type

10:06 of sinful behavior they're dealing with in their congregants.

10:09 And so one day we don't have to get into the details, but I'm taking a shower at Ryan's

10:12 house and I am looking for Q tips.

10:14 I'm not being nosy, right?

10:16 No pun intended with the smelling salts.

10:17 I'm literally looking for Q tips so that I can have hypo or out, you know, do the right

10:22 thing.

10:23 I almost said hypo out of Jen Geers.

10:24 That doesn't make any sense at all.

10:25 But so that I could, you know, take care of my ears and all the type of thing.

10:27 And I opened up a cabinet door and literally it was like I opened up the door to Narnia

10:31 and if Narnia were only a Cologne shop and there were like 40 or 50 bottles, 50 does

10:38 know, does a bottle of cologne and I can't pronounce the names.

10:44 I've never seen in these.

10:45 One of them's got like a, like a hound dog, like top to it and all that.

10:48 That's the pen haligan.

10:49 And then, okay.

10:50 Yeah.

10:51 What does that mean?

10:52 This is like something from Harry Potter.

10:54 I've never even like read the books.

10:55 I don't even know if that makes sense.

10:57 But I like, and then I'm like, okay, I make the mistake of asking him, what do these things

11:02 cost?

11:03 And I asked him on the forging table because I thought he was going to say, okay, yeah,

11:07 you're right.

11:08 You're right.

11:09 Adam said that because I'm thinking like expensive cologne, like $60, $70 a bottle.

11:13 And these bottles were like, I'm not saying it, $300, $400, $500 bottles of cologne.

11:22 Do they have bits of panther in them?

11:24 Like, I don't know.

11:26 Maybe.

11:27 Is it about the bottles?

11:28 Is it just about owning them?

11:30 Is it the smell?

11:31 The smells.

11:32 It's the smell.

11:33 So I have a smell.

11:34 Man, this is going to make me look bad again.

11:35 Sorry, Joby.

11:36 I've already been there.

11:38 I have a smell for like each season.

11:41 Wow.

11:42 So you have four colognes.

11:44 I have no.

11:45 So if there's four seasons, it could be about eight.

11:48 Oh, but sometimes I have like, right now, Oklahoma's in Falls, fall.

11:52 If you have one in Falls, we're not like when we get into fall, I'll probably wear more

11:56 of my vanilla.

11:57 Well, by the time people.

11:58 So by the time people hear this, you know, the leaves will started to fall like all that.

12:02 So, so let me just set the scene.

12:04 No, wait, wait, wait.

12:05 Let me just set the scene.

12:06 So you wake up.

12:07 Set the scene.

12:08 It's a 45 degree morning.

12:09 There's a little bit of dew on the grass.

12:10 It's a little bit foggy.

12:12 When you're just getting ready for the day and you've got your pumpkin spice latte and

12:15 your cinnamon sticks that you sniff as you do all that type of thing and you look out

12:20 and maybe there's a deer off in the distance.

12:22 You're on the back porch.

12:23 You've got your scarf on.

12:24 All that's great.

12:25 But now you got to get ready for the day.

12:26 You got to go out.

12:27 You got to, you know, make some sales.

12:28 You got to kill something so your family can eat.

12:30 What are we spritzing ourselves with, man?

12:32 It's that, it's that fall day.

12:33 So I've got two that I'm going to sprints myself for that one.

12:36 If it depends on where I'm going that day and what I'm wearing, but if it's like, I'm

12:40 wearing something really nice.

12:41 Let's say you got a casual meeting and then you got a meeting where, no, we're suit and

12:45 tie.

12:46 We got to do the damn thing.

12:47 So if it's suit and tie, I'm wearing creed ood, of course.

12:50 Yeah, of course.

12:51 That makes perfect sense.

12:52 If it's like a business meeting, I'll probably put on creed Viking.

12:56 But if it's, if it's, it's called Viking.

13:00 And if it's just like me rolling around the house that day, I'll probably wear a spice

13:03 bomb.

13:04 No, no, no.

13:05 Wait, wait.

13:06 You wear cologne at home when no one's around you.

13:08 No, I mean, I mean, if I'm like going to the store or something like that, I'm not.

13:11 That's how what you said.

13:12 You said, just roll around the house.

13:14 Oh, I'm sorry.

13:16 If I'm just doing stuff that's like domesticated stuff and I'm at home or I know I'm going

13:22 to go to the store or I have people coming over like Kyle's going to come over.

13:26 I'm going to cook for him so he can make fun of me and my cologne.

13:29 I probably wear a spice bomb and then who'll be like, Hey, what's up?

13:31 How much is that one?

13:32 I'll be like 60 bucks.

13:33 No, I think we need to go back just for you.

13:36 One of the categories of cologne is when you're at home and you're not leaving because that's

13:41 how this all started is that if I'm just kicking it around the house, we're wearing

13:46 you're wearing cologne when no one else is around.

13:49 Is that true?

13:50 No, you're going back on your previous statement in front of an elder from my church.

13:54 No, I meant to say like if I'm just doing like regular house for like I'm going to the

13:58 store or like I'm not going to anything special.

14:00 Okay.

14:01 All right.

14:02 Like you're coming over.

14:03 That's not special.

14:04 I don't think that rudely but now I'm just I have I have a cologne issue and I respect

14:09 it so much.

14:10 Thank you.

14:11 Do you?

14:12 Oh, yeah.

14:13 I mean, some guys collect, you know, bourbon, some guys collect cigars.

14:15 I collect that guy.

14:16 I mean, you collect cologne.

14:17 I collect.

14:18 Hey, cologne.

14:19 What's your thing?

14:20 Bourbon.

14:21 And like what's the other thing?

14:22 I collect records.

14:23 Oh, I didn't have vinyls and vinyls.

14:24 Yeah.

14:25 I got vinyl records.

14:26 I collect Bibles.

14:27 I have like all different types of Bibles.

14:28 What's your oldest Bible that you had?

14:30 So I have a Bible that my mom and dad gave me back in 2003 and was actually on the day

14:36 my son was born in 2003, they gave me this new living translation Bible and they go back

14:40 and I look at it and says February 19th, 2003 and what's kind of crazy is like 12 years

14:46 later, my son's born on that day.

14:47 2013?

14:48 Oh, wait, wait, they gave it to you in 2003.

14:51 They gave it to me in 2003.

14:52 Oh, I'll get it.

14:53 I get it 12 years later.

14:54 He was born in 2015.

14:55 That's cool.

14:56 That's like, I mean, I got a teen study Bible from back in the day, but I mean, I don't

15:00 have any like old, old Bibles.

15:02 Like I found somebody's like old Bible and hold on to it.

15:05 There's like they have different translations.

15:07 There's a guy in a last name's Talies, a family marriage counselor and he showed me

15:12 a Bible that he has hundreds of years old and has blood on it.

15:17 Oh, wow.

15:18 Assumed to be had been owned by someone that was martyred for the faith.

15:23 Wow.

15:24 Yeah.

15:25 Dude.

15:26 I was hoping to get like Andy Stanley's Bible because I heard it only has a New Testament.

15:33 And part and it's got scissor marks where he's cut out the parts of the New Testament.

15:37 He's unhinged it from the rest of the Bible.

15:39 And so that's right.

15:40 That makes it.

15:41 Sorry.

15:42 Let's go back to the vinyl thing.

15:43 Yeah.

15:44 So do you actually listen to vinyl records or you just collect them?

15:45 Yeah.

15:46 No, I listen to them.

15:47 I love vinyl.

15:48 I'm a big fan of the killers.

15:49 I got a lot of killers on vinyl.

15:50 I've got a I got Johnny Cash full some blues on vinyl.

15:53 My wife got me Frank Sinatra, like an old old vinyl record of Frank Sinatra that I listen

15:58 to that one.

15:59 It's the good life.

16:00 And I like to get like that, like, Depeche Mode, we were talking about Depeche Mode.

16:04 I think Eric's ringtone sounds like Depeche Mode.

16:06 What's that?

16:07 The only one I included on the Depeche Mode conversation was like, I was like, great

16:11 pull.

16:12 I started ringing.

16:13 I was like, dude, is that Depeche Mode?

16:15 He just starts laughing.

16:17 I was like, I literally thought it was like, like I got Depeche Mode over.

16:20 I made that on garage band on my phone.

16:22 You did you, bro?

16:25 Maybe I was influenced by them.

16:26 I don't know.

16:27 So like, I had enjoyed the silence for my wife and she's like, why do you have that

16:31 on there?

16:32 And I was like, to be grateful, just kidding, I didn't do that.

16:38 It would have been fun.

16:39 No, I do have a question because I've never owned a record player.

16:41 I've never owned a record.

16:43 Does it sound different?

16:45 Like some people are like super big audio files and so they'll get like fancy studio

16:49 headphones and then they'll get like a vinyl and then they'll plug in.

16:52 And they're like, no, it just sounds so much better.

16:54 I can be more in tune with the music.

16:55 I've just never experienced it.

16:56 I mean, I like when I hear it go on and I hear like, and then it starts playing.

17:03 I'm not much of an audio file to be like, to give you, to give you that, you know, I

17:07 probably know more about Cologne than I do that.

17:10 So actually, I know more about bourbon than I do Cologne.

17:12 So because this is cool.

17:13 Well, I know more about scotch and that's not because of you.

17:17 That's because the D Wayne, D Wayne, poor shout out.

17:20 Okay.

17:21 Do you think in 20 years, there'll be all these nostalgic people that use dial up internet?

17:27 It's just 50, 60, just to hear the noise.

17:31 They're going to chat with their friends.

17:33 I want to wait 20 minutes to get online and then get booted off.

17:38 Yeah.

17:39 Just for the pure.

17:40 It's just the better way.

17:41 No, I mean, I like my wife bought it for me for Christmas.

17:44 She was like, not like you already have a bourbon issue, like let's go ahead and like

17:48 add something more expensive, like vinyl.

17:50 So but, you know what, I was like, I leaned into it and kind of enjoy it.

17:54 But you're right.

17:55 It's kind of whatever you're into.

17:56 And as long as it doesn't become an idol and whatever.

17:58 But then other people we talked a couple of weeks ago, I think about when you lavish gifts

18:03 on pastors and things like that.

18:04 So one of the greatest gifts I ever got for appearing, I went and did this speaking engagement

18:09 out in New Mexico and the Staggs, so shout out to Carl Staggs, Staggs, they got me a bottle

18:16 of Papi 20 year old as a thank you for coming to chama New Mexico because I mean, they don't

18:22 get a lot of people that come through there and you know, they were just very, very thankful

18:24 that it came down.

18:25 And I mean, I knew the guy for a grand total of about three minutes before, you know, I'm

18:29 helping do a deal so he can, you know, buy a bottle of Papi 20 for himself and a bottle

18:32 of Papi 20 for me because I just casually mentioned that the best bourbon I've ever had

18:37 by a mile is Papi 20 year old.

18:39 So 23 is still really, really good.

18:41 It's a little bit over oaked, but I'd still drink it, but the 20 year old is absolutely

18:44 fantastic.

18:45 So we're all into what we're into.

18:46 And so I appreciate you elucidating a little bit further.

18:49 Your unhealthy obsession with cologne that absolutely helps out.

18:52 But guys, it will be able to smell it for a while now.

18:54 Hey, I forgot to ask, what are you wearing now?

18:57 Since you're sitting I'm wearing, I'm wearing creed.

19:00 Which one?

19:01 Creed Viking?

19:02 Is this business or is this kind of this was, he doesn't have a bow tie on.

19:05 So I don't think it's creed Viking.

19:07 It's creed.

19:08 Do you have a schedule?

19:09 No, I don't have a schedule.

19:10 Okay.

19:11 I didn't know.

19:12 I didn't know.

19:13 I can see the bottle, but I can't.

19:14 As you look, does your wife like cologne?

19:16 My wife actually freaking it like she likes to spice bomb like the cheap stuff.

19:20 Okay.

19:21 So like she doesn't get.

19:22 She wants you to wear a curve and all that English letter.

19:25 Yeah.

19:26 Yeah.

19:27 Like she's doing a curve.

19:28 That one's funny.

19:29 I've been wearing that in years.

19:30 Oh, sorry.

19:31 I didn't mean to mention some of that.

19:32 So below your standards.

19:33 Why you trying to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

19:35 You just tell us which creed it is so that I'm trying to find it.

19:39 Ryan, my son is into cologne these days and he is a hundred percent not going to hang

19:43 out with me.

19:44 He needs a mentor.

19:45 No.

19:46 He also needs a mentor.

19:47 I will.

19:48 I will.

19:49 I will.

19:50 While you're looking it up, I do want to give a quick shout out to Crossway and to Logos.

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20:39 And you are currently wearing creed.

20:40 I'm still looking, man.

20:41 Dude, how about that setup?

20:43 It was like the longest road to get to the same place.

20:45 For some reason you're in and it doesn't move.

20:47 Oh, yeah.

20:48 Let's blame my internet.

20:49 It's 56.

20:50 Yeah.

20:51 Yeah, there's the 56 K.

20:52 Yeah.

20:53 You know, I put you on 56 K.

20:54 I'm going to have it here in like two seconds.

20:55 Here we go.

20:56 Original Santal.

20:57 It's creed.

20:58 Yeah, that's the one I'm wearing right now.

21:00 I knew it was something with an S, but there was something in front of it.

21:03 Well, I can't smell it either because I'm still honestly, it's not my favorite.

21:06 I just wear it just because I was like, I don't smell nice and I don't wear it.

21:09 You're just you're just with your okay friends.

21:10 Yeah.

21:11 I was like, it's just jay.

21:12 It's not Mark.

21:13 Well, you just guarantee.

21:15 I take that as a compliment.

21:16 You just guarantee that Mark's not going to come on with you in the room when Mark comes

21:20 on.

21:21 Don't.

21:22 Don't.

21:23 Mark.

21:24 Don't.

21:25 I want to wear the good stuff.

21:26 And that's only between the four of us.

21:27 I'm going to wear the ood, man.

21:28 Is that the good thing?

21:29 That dude, I'm going to do.

21:30 He's going to be like, you smell tobacco-y and vanilla-y like I just want to keep coming

21:34 back to the forging.

21:35 That might be offensive to us.

21:36 This guy.

21:37 Is that like the upper echelon?

21:38 Like I got to impress us.

21:39 That's probably my most expensive.

21:40 It's ood.

21:41 Ood is that or the pin how you do the ood?

21:44 The ood when I bought it was on sale.

21:46 So I got it for like three seventy five.

21:47 It goes for five fifty.

21:48 My.

21:49 Goes for five fifty.

21:50 What do you mean?

21:51 It goes for five fifty.

21:52 It's appreciating in value.

21:53 Yeah.

21:54 Appreciate some value.

21:55 Okay.

21:56 So it does get better with age.

21:57 So 50 years from now is that is it going to smoke?

21:59 If I were to have like if I were to have a creed ood and I hold on to it for like I mean

22:04 I bought that one like maybe three years ago at like three, four hundred bucks.

22:08 Like yeah, that thing is going to go like the thing will go for five fifty now.

22:12 That's like the contents of the bottle don't change.

22:14 I don't think so.

22:15 No.

22:16 Okay.

22:17 Because that's how I think it will grind changes.

22:18 But yeah, it's not going to get better.

22:19 The smell is going to get better.

22:20 The smell will still be there.

22:21 But like yeah, I mean like you could make money off Colone if you but I wear it because

22:26 I enjoy it just like we drink it.

22:27 I think you should sling it.

22:28 I think you should become that guy where the people are meeting meeting up with you and

22:31 like back alleys and pop in the trunk.

22:33 It's like bro, I got two.

22:34 My son would sell it.

22:35 Trying to get his Viking.

22:37 Yeah.

22:38 Dude Viking is legit.

22:39 That's my daughter's favorite.

22:40 She loves that one.

22:41 How much is that one?

22:42 That one's like that was probably about three fifty.

22:44 Oh yeah.

22:45 That's more reasonable.

22:46 Yeah.

22:47 Definitely more reasonable.

22:48 It's probably four fifty now.

22:49 I think it's so embarrassed that he he agreed to come here.

22:50 He's embarrassed that he allowed to become a member of the church now he's like he was

22:58 the guy that stood in the way.

22:59 You were the baby keeper.

23:00 He could have been like you know what?

23:01 Church members should call out for you.

23:02 Yeah.

23:03 I can get it on the perfume spot for one fifty four.

23:04 You want me to perfume spot?

23:05 Is it real?

23:06 Is it legit?

23:07 I don't know.

23:08 People sell fake Colone.

23:09 Yeah, they do.

23:10 Those are fake.

23:11 Okay.

23:12 If you get ALT like ALT is like an alternative version of those so they try to mess with

23:15 the smells so you can get it like that smell for a very cheap price.

23:19 Is it ALT?

23:20 I feel a need to ask that we can get to the end of this conversation.

23:23 Is the one you just looked up ALT or is it the real thing?

23:25 Is it the real McCoy is three point three ounces?

23:28 I don't even know if that's a lot but is that a lot or is that normal is that a travel

23:32 pack?

23:33 Three ounces is usually says one hundred percent authentic yeah and it says it on the internet

23:37 which is true.

23:38 It's got to be true.

23:39 There's no way they're selling it for a hundred and fifty four dollars.

23:41 That's a waste of money.

23:42 I wouldn't buy it.

23:43 Maybe that's your profit on the fun Mar to buy all your Colones and dillards by dillards.

23:49 He's just declared it a waste of money and a waste of time that you're even on this website.

23:54 I smell good.

23:55 It's not a waste of money.

23:57 Are you sure though because I never have you ever complained about the way I smell?

24:02 I never even noticed that you smelled anything different than neutral.

24:05 You have two broken noses anyways like I have a single nose we need to broken nostrils like

24:11 you need smelling salt just to be able to smell your own dude.

24:14 You guys at some point it would probably be appropriate if we got into Acts 19 so we're

24:20 going to give it to the most serious person at the table Jay.

24:23 Please save us from all this rap scallions behavior.

24:26 We're going to get into Acts 19.

24:27 Let's go versus one through ten.

24:30 Henceforth I'm hugging you every time I see you.

24:32 Excellent.

24:33 Alright.

24:34 Inspired of the Holy Spirit.

24:35 Luke writes these words.

24:36 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth Paul passed through the upper country and

24:40 came to Ephesus and found some disciples.

24:42 They said to them did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed and they said to

24:46 him no we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit and he said into what then

24:52 were you baptized and they said into John's baptism.

24:55 Paul said John was baptized with a baptism of repentance telling the people to believe

24:59 in him who was coming after him that is in Jesus.

25:03 When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and when Paul had

25:06 laid his hands upon them the Holy Spirit came on them and they began speaking with tongues

25:10 and prophesying they were all they were in all about twelve men and he entered the synagogue

25:16 and continued speaking out boldly for three months reasoning and persuading them about

25:20 the kingdom of God.

25:22 But when some were becoming hardened and disobedient speaking evil of the way before

25:26 the people he withdrew from them and took away the disciples reasoning daily in the school

25:30 of Tyrannus this took place for two years so that all who lived in Asia heard the word

25:34 of the Lord both Jews and Greeks.

25:41 I don't know which section got you the most fired up but you can have the first word on

25:44 this chapter after we spent twenty four minutes talking about nothing.

25:48 I enjoyed our past twenty four minutes no it's just a it's going to continue to develop

25:53 in kind of just a wild way and I think as you transition out of this chapter into chapter

26:00 twenty and beyond you have a lot more attention given to just the experience of Paul almost

26:07 in Paul's experience in isolation so not so much church planting and establishing and

26:11 pioneering work going on as much as is just Paul's you know different trials and imprisonments

26:16 and shipwrecks and so on and so forth so in nineteen as you move through it you almost

26:21 have a condensed whole book of acts everything that's going on in the book of acts since

26:27 Pentecost sort of shows up in chapter nineteen not as necessarily an intentional summary

26:33 of the previous eighteen chapters but it is sort of a capstone of the previous eighteen

26:39 chapters in that the Holy Spirit is front and center signs and wonders a front and center

26:44 the preaching of the Gospels front and center just a fascinating start to really a fascinating

26:50 chapter one Ryan I think this tees up what I think we were talking about last week where

26:54 we were talking about they were baptized by John the baptized are those types of things

26:59 and so that they hadn't quite received the Holy Spirit so I do want to open up that conversation

27:04 but also I do have a question because I asked someone this the other day and they didn't

27:08 really give me a great answer and I didn't have a great answer either but you know Jim

27:12 any cricket let your conscience be your guide that type of thing and so before we receive

27:17 the Holy Spirit before we were given the Holy Spirit as a gift what is that guiding us

27:23 before then because I asked this guy I was like is that our conscience is there is there

27:27 something in the ethereal to our conscience or is that like Holy Spirit light that's you

27:34 know like pre Holy Spirit like all right man like let's definitely not do this because

27:40 someone be like no I had I had the Holy Spirit before I was a Christian which is not a biblical

27:44 concept because we're told that we get it there and so like I just want to open that up to

27:49 you guys because I was kind of confused as to like when I was a kid before I was a Christian

27:52 and my gut told me to do something right like what was that do we have any I I've got it

28:00 I've got to believe that some of that and and I'm just I'll just go say what I say in

28:04 the dot dot dot whatever but I think some of that's got to be nurture like if I'm brought

28:10 up in a home and they teach me right and wrong and some of that's got to be somewhere in

28:14 me from just being taught by parents that no good right and wrong so I think some of that

28:20 guides that I mean we know that the truth is in us all God puts it there we decided to

28:28 deny it or accept it right so there's that I don't know that is our Jimmy cricket whatever

28:36 you said you know that conscious it's your conscience for your guide yeah is that's that

28:41 just something we made up kind of as a I mean I don't I don't know there's a whole thing

28:46 underlying that story like Jimmy cricket JC Jesus Christ like there there's people that

28:51 have made the core Larry's to this is a not so subtle reference to the Holy Spirit that's

28:57 guiding the character in that story via Jimmy cricket like so again this could all just be

29:02 kind of hearsay or happens dance yeah so if we're fully depraved and we're running away

29:06 from God then is it possible that we still do good things because the truth is in us but

29:13 we just don't reach you know we don't naturally come to Jesus and on our own accord and yet

29:18 we we kind of just have this innate sense of what's good and what's bad I think it kind

29:22 of goes back to Paul and Romans Romans one you know like we all we all know that there's

29:27 a God and there's no excuse behind that but I think we're all built with we're all made

29:31 in his image and his you know it's God's not God's not a human being gonna have hands

29:36 and feet but we are made in his image in that we have his characteristics in some ways and

29:42 so I think that's what comes down to like you know moral law like we know what morality

29:45 is morality is built in to our hearts no matter what because we're gonna feel that you know

29:51 and so I think that it really just comes down to is that you know we have common grace so

29:57 why don't we have common morality because a lot of you know laws are built on Judeo-Christian

30:01 values but they're used in other countries that still do not believe in Christ so I think

30:06 we're kind of built with that I could be wrong on that that's just my thought I pretty much

30:10 agree with you I mean the law of God's written in our hearts taking Romans one is a reference

30:15 but the fallen man suppresses the truth of God in his ungodliness suppresses the truth

30:20 of God exchanges for a lie and that's where the poverty shows up is we run head along

30:25 the other direction even though we are made in this image and we understand we have a judge

30:31 we have higher power we have the law of God and and whether it's conscience or what you

30:37 call it moral I common morality more common morality I think yeah common grace is definitely

30:41 involved in keeping us from destroying ourselves yeah so and so and then you know so like that's

30:46 why an atheist he has to play both sides of the coin so to speak you can't you may say

30:51 call himself an atheist but then half his actions are gonna tend to suggest that he's going

30:56 by something you know the excess because if he was truly an atheist and there is no God

31:00 then there's literally no reason he should do anything good period well an atheist has

31:04 have just as much faith to believe what they believe anyway one where where do you have

31:09 your standard for where good comes from and so that's the other thing to where it's like

31:12 oh I just try to lead a good life I was like well what does good mean how do we know the

31:14 difference between good and evil like by what standard are you appealing to but also at

31:19 the beginning of this we see that Paul has come upon these disciples of John the Baptist

31:24 and we see Paul question their faith overall because he didn't see their fruit maybe he

31:30 knew just by the words they were saying that their their theology was wrong and it just

31:36 kind of reminded me that we shouldn't be afraid to question people because erica goes back

31:40 to something that we were talking about weeks ago where it was you know we we didn't see

31:45 we don't know what they think and so we have to ask questions right so we have to have

31:49 some sort of a thing that we can appeal to are we using the same language are we talking

31:53 about the same God Jay whenever you're talking about that's like hey tell me about the God

31:56 you're talking about because I may not believe in that God either I feel like that's happening

32:00 here at the beginning but again I think a lot of us modern in modern Christianity we're

32:04 we're worshiping at the altar of winsomeness and we don't want to ever be seen as coming

32:08 off as divisive and so we seem afraid to question people when it's like look dude I'm not seeing

32:13 any fruit in your life of repentance or Christianity in general could it even have just been hey

32:18 you know we we ran into this with the Paulos we basically flip flop time now we're he was

32:23 and he's where I was and so was it just kind of this coming in and being like hey we had

32:29 talked about Paulos back you know months ago whatever but so and then just kind of getting

32:33 clarification like are you guys still following this teaching of the came out of John the Baptist

32:39 versus I think you bring up a great point there what was the teaching of John the Baptist

32:43 repent and believe in God is near right right so what if these guys are going out there and

32:48 preaching repentance that the kingdom of God God is near but the kingdom of God was near

32:54 or here yeah because of Christ now Christ is still here and now you know like this is this is what

32:59 it is this is why why we do what we do and so this is what Christ fulfilled and so maybe that's a

33:04 way of him knowing like hey you guys are preaching repentance but why are you repenting and what's

33:07 your belief in now well I'm believing that the kingdom of God is is near well the kingdom of God

33:12 was here yeah and he still is and this is how he is is through the Holy Spirit right and another

33:16 thing here when we get into verse eight you know he entered the synagogue and for three months

33:20 spoke boldly reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God I've heard some there's some

33:25 corners of Christianity that are really not big on Christian apologists especially if Christian

33:30 apologists are making arguments that don't reside directly within scripture they're appealing to

33:36 reason different things like that but you know first like this you know reasoning and persuading

33:40 them how are they persuading them is not persuading them just by reading scripture back to them you

33:44 know it's it's using the things that we've talked about even think about Tim Keller I know he said

33:48 some things culturally towards the end of his life that I certainly would not cosign but his book

33:52 the reason for God is an incredible book for an atheist to read that maybe is unchurched as well

33:59 because there are very few scriptural references in that book he is appealing to reason to get

34:04 people to consider faith in a God people be like what he doesn't present the gospel it's like that's

34:09 not the point of that book this is like pre-gospel for for a lot of people because again he was in a

34:13 very secular area of New York City and he was just trying to reason with these people that like

34:18 they're so far from Jesus just getting them to believe in any type of a God of any kind a creator

34:23 God of the universe was kind of like their first step towards bringing them in on an overion you

34:27 probably have a problem with it so go ahead and tell me your problem with that approach I don't

34:31 have a problem with the approach it's just how are you are you giving the full gospel because

34:36 like I remember watching a documentary on Hillsong and what was the pastor's carolence carolence and

34:42 he started that that church in New York City and they they created it like a nightclub like are you

34:47 going there you're like waiting in line there's like you know red velvet ropes and these people

34:52 are coming in there they're becoming a part of this community and they're they're worshiping but

34:58 like none of them are changing their lives they were just looking for acceptance like if you look

35:02 all the people that we're going to talk about Hillsong and the church hurt they're outside of

35:07 the realm of what Christ would have called them to as repentance well let's actually talk about

35:11 something that you and I've talked about before that I think goes in line here that he gets us

35:15 campaign and so like the well I think it's a we can bring it up in a fair way and just kind of talk

35:21 about it as we see from from this part of scripture so you know with the the reason for God Tim Keller

35:26 would not be the person that say here's this book it's a full-throated explanation of the gospel of

35:30 Jesus Christ this is like nope this is trying to help people that are complete atheists or like

35:36 ardent agnostics which is kind of even you know an interesting thing to say and to get them to

35:41 even believe in some sort of a God the thing that you and I both equally had problems with it with

35:46 the he gets this campaign even if you take away some of their critical theory and oppressor

35:51 oppressed narrative that comes through in a lot of the advertisements yeah ethnic narcissism or

35:56 standpoint epistemology or something like that when you go to the website right so at the end of

36:01 this commercial where they show oppressor oppressed narratives through the entire thing and they're

36:05 like oh that's not even for you can Christian conservatives it's for everybody else don't even

36:09 worry about it then you go to the website and there's no gospel anywhere on the website and then you

36:16 and I both went through their process to try to find a church in our area so you have to do these

36:20 like three different you know video meetings where you watch these other videos and all types of

36:24 things and you're thinking at some point someone's got to talk about the gospel Jesus Christ and it

36:30 never happens and I've even talked to people that run churches that have supposedly met with the

36:35 he gets this campaign people and they're like don't worry if anyone in your area goes through our

36:39 process on our website we're going to lead them to your church only for me to say hey I do business

36:44 in this area sometimes can you suggest some churches to me and then they don't suggest the

36:48 church that I know gives a full throw to gospel presentation every single week that's the problem

36:53 it's not the initial commercial even though I have problems with the initial commercial it's that

36:56 you never the train never stops at a station called the gospel it goes back to Martill and you look

37:01 at you look at Paul trying to reach the Greeks on their level in Athens and but he still preaches

37:07 who God is and that God is going to be the judge or and he's he asked for repentance and if you go

37:13 to the he gets us campaign website or whatever and you go to about us there I think the thing

37:19 that stuck out for me the most was like people who are fans of Jesus and people who believe in Jesus

37:24 so you're going to be learning about Jesus from people who are fans who are not believers in Jesus

37:29 so they never really discuss the full gospel we want to I want to step further and went through

37:33 the reading plan and you don't even get a full-throated gospel message until like week six seven or eight

37:39 somewhere between there and that was just like going on the Bible app through the he gets us like

37:44 campaign on the Bible app so and how many layers down and I just kind of have issue with that like

37:50 I have an issue like the full gospel like you want to come and build a commercial like that that's

37:54 fine you know like you're trying to you're trying to make a point but when you're making that point

37:58 and they're coming back to it you're not even giving them the full gospel message and so that's

38:02 where I just kind of get a little hung up on that like I love Tim Keller Tim Keller I read a bunch

38:08 of books by Keller love Keller God rest his soul I know he's in heaven great marriage book yeah

38:13 shout out love Keller but like yeah some of the things he said I know he was his heart was really

38:17 big on the city and and reaching the people of the city and I get that but we've got to be able to be

38:24 to be able to cause division you know we got to be able to come out and say hey this isn't right we

38:31 need to call out repentance sometimes well Jay I'm curious Jay how that works itself out for faith

38:36 Bible because obviously you've got three huge fans of faith Bible Church here and you're an elder

38:40 there like how how would you look at handling something like that so if if you are ministering

38:46 as a church you know as a capital C church to an individual person that has no real understanding

38:53 of a Judeo-Christian ethic they don't have any understanding of kind of like the Trinity or how

38:59 like a creator God maybe they had a very very secular liberal upbringing something like that

39:03 like how do you approach that type of conversation because some people would say you just preach the

39:09 gospel you point them to the word and let the Holy Spirit do their thing or do you take a different

39:13 approach and I'm not saying one's better than the other I'm just wondering how does faith Bible

39:16 approach something like that just gleaning from act 17 and Paul's sermon at Mars Hill I think

39:23 we've always I don't even say the word aired but we've always tended toward a high view of God so

39:30 a God-centered view of God a high view of God a high view of God's sovereignty you start there

39:35 um you if you start in a man-centered approach like here's how this addresses your felt needs and

39:43 then you try to end up in a place that delivers a high view of God and his sovereignty and his

39:49 might and his majesty and all these different things that we know to be true about him that

39:53 feels a little bit bait and switchy yeah and hey not what I signed up for I like this when it made

39:58 me feel good about myself um so we start with a high view of God and I think confront people

40:05 in a in a winsome but anchored way with where Scripture starts so the the old Christian Smith

40:14 phrase moralistic therapeutic deism is where most churches are starting it's where a lot of gospel

40:20 presentations try to start but I think when you start there your high view of God high view of his

40:30 justice high view of the atonement all of that stuff begins to break down because you didn't you

40:36 didn't start in the right place so if we can start in the right place we're in good shape you started

40:39 with like God loves me and he needs me more than I need him and that's like because that's how I

40:44 kind of started and I was like you know like is that from the charismatic not really cares the

40:49 charismatic background was more legalism no the moralistic background that the church that we

40:53 attended here before we moved to Texas was very much like I mean their whole tagline is God is

40:57 for you and so are we and I'm like that's nice you know what I'm saying and that sounds pretty

41:02 winsome um but it's just like no man we need to be for God like if God's forming he loves me so

41:08 much and you're telling me he he his son died on the cross for my sins and why did he have to

41:13 die on the cross for my sins I'm such a good person like he loves me like why would he even do that

41:17 you know and so it's just like I I didn't even understand the gospel till I was like 33 years old

41:21 when Eric said when that taught me moralistic therapeutic deism and kind of like the context

41:26 where that can be be a little bit dangerous if you're especially if you're approaching a gospel

41:30 related conversation oh yeah I mean you're putting feelings before faith you know that's part of the

41:34 problem on that but I agree with you starting on the right the right foot with those folks otherwise

41:40 it ends up being a consumer kind of gospel where it's like what can I get out of this and then

41:44 I have to give me think back it you know I feel like conversion and discipleship are kind of like

41:49 hand-in-hand like you you can't have one without the other and unfortunately I think so many of our

41:55 churches or or what not are just trying to get people to come down and say I prayed the prayer

42:00 I'm good to go and I probably shared this before but it's like my my grandparents come to see us

42:06 out in North Carolina years ago we asked them how their journey was well I was great we did this

42:10 and this this and we went to Dollywood and my grandmother just elbows my grandfather's like

42:15 we didn't go to Dollywood we literally sat in the parking lot took a picture of the front of Dollywood

42:21 and got the sign and then we left and you know sometimes I feel like that's literally what we're

42:25 trying to do is just get people to say the prayer and then there's no expectation beyond that you

42:30 know it's like the sower of the seed like the parable of the sower it's like hey we can go and

42:35 spread this seed as much as we want you know but how how's that seed being cultivated how are we

42:41 are we doing it like my favorite quote by Spurgeon is we're not responsible for the souls that are

42:45 saved but we are responsible for the gospel that we preach and the way that we preach it and it's

42:49 just like we've got to preach the gospel the right way we've got to sow the seed the right way so

42:53 it can be cultivated the way it needs to be cultivated well yeah and I remember the first time I read

42:58 a church's annual report and in the annual report they had the number of salvations for the year

43:05 and this was this was really before I was kind of digging into the Bible I didn't even know really

43:08 about Calvinist theology and about election like as in depth or I had to reckon with that as much

43:13 as I did now but I remember looking at that kind of a scan being like how really like that is that

43:20 how many people that you know how many souls have been saved because of this ministry or is that how

43:24 many hands were raised but then I remember asking Jobe about this I was like you know how do you

43:29 count because they count you know that they'll count at their churches and all that and they have

43:32 a count they talk about in their staff meetings and they talk about it in terms of their impact

43:36 for the year and I like I just like very fervently and honestly ask them like hey like what does that

43:40 mean he goes look we can't be judging jury in terms of someone's someone's someone's salvation

43:46 so we're going to count it if someone makes it moves towards Christ so when we they do something

43:50 called beach baptism because there are churches there in Jacksonville and they do they do baptism

43:55 as as a most the most awesome way I've ever seen it it is a party on the beach and they got people

44:01 coming out into the surf and they're you know people are getting baptized and every one of the

44:05 beach goes absolutely insane I think their last beach baptism they had over a thousand people

44:09 that went out and got baptized and then you'll have maybe Theo bro types that's that's not a that's

44:13 not a dig but you'll have something that's like more like a Theo bro type like a you know they've

44:17 never seen a ministry that does it right even john McArthur's ministry for some reason and they're

44:21 just going to look at that and they're going to be like yeah but are those people really saved

44:25 some engine yeah jobe's response would be like all I know is when we ask them you know if you know

44:31 do they repent and believe and put faith in in Christ for the propitiation of their sin debt

44:36 they said affirmative they said yes they gave a thumbs up even if they couldn't say words

44:41 and we you know baptized him in the name of the father son and the holy spirit and we went on from

44:45 there but that seed was planted they planted the seed and like what I really enjoy about jobe's

44:49 church where I really love about it he's like a multi-site church but he's like a unicorn we're

44:54 discipleship is of we're disciples is it's crazy like somebody who comes to Christ and jobe's church

45:01 is going to be discipled they're not just somebody who raised a hand is a number

45:04 they are now a member of that church and they're going to be discipled if they choose to keep going

45:08 and be discipled well you say unicorn that's part of the thing that I've been very adamant

45:12 with with jobe and his staff I'm like guys jobe martin should be a household name because he's

45:18 running a big multi-site church that hockey sticks during covid and he's on on any given weekend

45:25 I'll say this and I'll keep saying it on any given weekend he is the best preacher in america

45:29 and so it's like how do I keep getting these videos popping up on my feed from

45:33 Annie Stanley or steven furtick or you know uh jolo steen or any of these other types of people

45:38 like why is any more of a household name but that's just kind of his all chucksy approach to ministry

45:43 to begin with because he's like look my job is to shepherd my sheep I get in a deer blind on

45:48 monday morning and I got to prep the sermon for that thursday and I just go god they're your sheep

45:53 I'm you've made me their shepherd what would you like to say to their sheep and he's not trying to

45:58 write books so that he can go speak at the conferences he's trying to write books to move his sheep

46:03 along the journey of sanctification a little bit further and so it's like that's how do we bottle

46:09 that up and move that along how do we bottle up what's going on at faith bible to where it's like

46:13 we have such a high view of scripture that we are going to take our time and we are going to

46:17 eat our way across these pages so that you can set your theological roots even deeper a couple

46:22 weeks ago you complained about collosians and that took us like how long I didn't complain I just

46:26 said it took us six yeah we're in exodus right now we'll be in there for a year by the way how long

46:32 are we going to be in exodus because we're moving in a snail's pace at the moment christmas is coming

46:35 up too he'll do like 10 commandments all at once I'm preaching a couple weeks I do a couple or

46:42 parts of two chapters so we'll be there through the spring I think yeah all right well Eric

46:46 keeps wanting to say something I've been trying sorry not a big deal but like I just remember like

46:50 George Whitfield I mean times that he come across the pond to come preach to settlers and what not

46:55 and back in the 1700s and I know that he would people would say you know his voice was so loud

47:02 he could preach to 25,000 people you know just an open air but he was asked one time how many people

47:08 came to faith tonight or today with your preaching he said I don't know we'll come back around about

47:14 eight months from now and see you know it was a point being like how many of these people are

47:17 it's going to stick with you know so I don't know we could talk about like Charles Finney and

47:23 big chimp revivals and all that sort of thing but and I think that's interesting like if you do

47:28 have a 150 or 200 conversions or they wrote their name on a card that said they made that that

47:34 decision like when it comes to discipleship and I'm just huge on that like when it comes down to

47:40 that are we is there an expectation that we're setting for these new believers like I don't treat

47:45 my you know I love my kids but as when they became a believer I said okay I've taught you from the

47:52 Bible all these years but now the expectation is that we're stepping into this you now are a

47:57 believer so you're stepping into this a little bit more seriously and so I want you then to

48:03 to follow more closely the things that you've been taught because that's the expectation now

48:08 and we we definitely got to get back to the text but I do I do want to ask this point because you

48:13 brought up big tent revivals and I just had a chat with a guy recently that you know I'm not

48:19 you know okay I'll just describe it generically so that we don't get any details but he just kind

48:25 of casually made a comment he's like oh and I know that my daughter saved but then he goes on to

48:29 describe she's homosexual she's in a homosexual relationship or she's just divorced from a homosexual

48:35 relationship she thinks the Bible isn't the word of God she doesn't go to church blah blah all these

48:40 different things and in this context I'm like this is a guy's daughter and I need to be careful how I

48:46 tread because I don't want to be you know meddling in someone's family but I do need to press a little

48:50 bit here kind of like how we see Paul do at the beginning of Acts 19 and I just say hey you just

48:55 kind of casually mentioned that your your daughter is a Christian like so so how do you know that

49:00 like what what makes you think that she was a Christian oh well there was a revival years back

49:04 when she was younger and you know she raised her hand went down I got baptized and blah blah

49:07 and I go okay and I use a tactic I forget who who did it first but I was like if there was a neutral

49:13 observer that was a going around and watching your daughter and collecting evidence to build a case

49:18 to try to convict her of being a Christian would they have enough evidence to convict her in court

49:23 and he just kind of froze and he's like no I don't guess they would and so that's a question of fruit

49:30 as I've talked about before no one is less sure of their salvation than somebody who listens to

49:34 John MacArthur preach about assurance of salvation because no one's fruit is sweet enough no one

49:38 could possibly be jumping over the hurdles that John MacArthur is laying out there for everybody

49:42 but in this moment I was like is it possible that your daughter got swept up in the emotion of the

49:49 revival in the music in the the the whatever the preacher was doing is yeah like is it possible

49:57 they got whipped up and their hands shot up and they just went ahead and got baptized down by the

50:02 river and we're doing it all their friends were doing it that's kind of the church camp phenomenon

50:05 and things like that literally the opposite of the emotionalism approach I feel like it's faith

50:10 Bible and so it's because like never once every now and then they'll hit a hymn during the uh

50:15 during the worship and I'm like oh that's amazing and but like Mark's never going to get you to the

50:19 point of emotionalism he's about his stoic middle of the road calm presenter of the gospel message

50:25 that that I've ever seen you're very similar guest preachers that come in there there's no

50:29 hellfire and brimstone type thing it's the opposite of emotionalism and so like I guess J.M.

50:35 curious from your perspective like some people would say there's value in the emotionalism like

50:40 God gave us music so we're going to use music you know God gave us the piano and so we're going to

50:44 start playing it when I start doing my prayer at the end but then people's again it kind of

50:48 works up their emotions but does the Holy Spirit need that I guess well I think you know the answer

50:52 to that question I do that's why I'm asking you so you have to say it no I mean people can easily

50:57 be manipulated I'm a guy that did youth ministry for 10 or 11 years I know how that could look um

51:02 and you know we get a lot of comments sometimes people are like how come there's not an altar

51:06 call right they have a different church background so they're like you know they're used to the the

51:09 appeal at the end of the service to come forward and I love the old Spurgeon story uh the the

51:15 guy who followed Spurgeon Metropolitan Tabernacle was an altar call guy and so he would do an altar

51:23 call at the end of every sermon and one of the deacons who was there during Spurgeon's time

51:27 called him on it kind of questioned him on it why you know why do you do this altar call at the end

51:33 of every message and the guy said well if the spirits at work and someone's hard I want to give

51:37 them the opportunity to to answer his call well Spurgeon didn't do an altar call but he did invite

51:43 people on Monday to come to the office for counsel and to essentially follow up on whatever it is

51:49 that was moving in their heart and during the service and so as the deacon and this new pastor

51:54 are are having this exchange in the pastors like yeah I want people in the moment to be able to

51:59 respond to the gospel if the Holy Spirit's at work in their heart I want them to to respond and the

52:03 deacons response was well in Spurgeon's day if the Holy Spirit was at work in their heart it was still

52:08 at work on Monday morning yeah yeah and so they're like an impulse by kind of like I don't let my

52:13 kids impulse by yeah I'll be like give it three days and let's see so there's an efficacy of the

52:18 Holy Spirit that we can have confidence in that if he's going to start the work he's going to finish

52:22 the work and I and I've noticed you guys you do this and mark does it too during during your sermons

52:27 is like you'll present the gospel where the gospel shows up within the scripture and it sometimes

52:32 it's in the beginning sometimes it's in the middle right most times it's not at the end and you'll

52:36 like a planned crescendo it's not a planned crescendo but every time you guys do and especially mark

52:42 he'll be like you know after the service if this is laid on your heart come up and talk to us I'll

52:46 be down front well and you know and the nice thing is awesome yeah I like that with each of our

52:51 children that got baptized and we still have one to go there's the meeting with a pastor and you

52:56 sit down and you work through kind of talk through understanding of salvation right I think I really

53:01 appreciate that so it's not just some yeah we'll just baptize you this weekend well that's that's

53:05 always been a thing and then I got to get back to driving this train because we are about an hour

53:09 in and we are not even close to being done with acts 19 but the the interesting thing about that

53:14 as well if I've as I've expressed to this table and as we've all talked about I always have a little

53:18 bit of consternation about little kids like being saved I'm like they don't know what any of these

53:23 words mean like how could they possibly be saved but then I was explained I think maybe you may have

53:27 explained it like when when before will got baptized and so how old was a woman he got baptized was he

53:32 nine how old how old could he get baptized it eight the youngest eight okay so it was his eighth

53:37 birthday he got baptized and so guys eighth birthday you kind of explained to me how the church very

53:41 soberly but very diligently kind of goes through and you know you asked ask the questions that should

53:47 elicit the answers that point to a true you know repentance because that's in my head I was like

53:52 what does an eight-year-old have to repent of other than being eight like you know they can't trust a

53:56 fart at that age but like we're gonna tell them that they can like trust with their like salvation

54:00 and all those different things and so that was maybe a little bit too far but that's okay we're

54:03 gonna leave it in we're gonna leave it in but browning we need to talk about the sons of skiva so if

54:08 you can hit 11 through 20 gosh we are so far into this episode and we have so much good stuff left

54:13 we're just gonna it's just gonna be long it's just gonna be a little longer let's go good and God was

54:17 doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that touch

54:22 his skin were carried away to the sick and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out

54:28 of them then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcist undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus

54:34 over those who had evil spirits saying I adure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims seven sons of a

54:42 Jewish high priest named skiva were doing this but the evil spirit answered them Jesus I know

54:48 and Paul I recognize but who are you and the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on him

54:55 mastered all of them and overpowered them so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded

54:59 and this became known to all the residents of Ephesus both Jews and Greeks and fear fell upon

55:06 them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was extolled also many of those who were now believers came

55:14 confessing and divulging their practices and a number of those who had practiced magic

55:20 arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all then they counted the value

55:24 of them and found it came to 50,000 pieces of silver so the word of the Lord continued to increase

55:31 in prevail mightily I mean I've been in some fights before but I've never fled a house naked

55:35 and wounded and so yeah it looks like these guys were absolutely up against it and again I know

55:39 we have to be a little bit brief in our commentary through the rest here that's just the way the

55:43 cookie crumbled with this one but the important thing about this section is like what an absolute

55:47 burn here Jesus I know Paul I recognize but who are you who are you exactly and these guys are out

55:54 there like apparently doing this work but it did bring up a question that I jotted down here so

55:58 are we to look at this section of scripture as like look only some people are going to be equipped

56:05 to deal with the spiritual realm the dark the dark spirits those types of things or do we

56:10 all have that capability because I remember whenever I was trying to get my pornography and

56:14 masturbation habit under control you know 14 years ago when I first started down this journey I had

56:18 someone give me a book that basically was like look man you have all that it was a very charismatic

56:23 book I got downstairs I forget the name of it but it's like man you have all the power you can do

56:27 anything in Jesus' name you can fight in the spiritual realm you are equipped to do everything

56:31 you're just as equipped as anybody else blah blah blah but then I read this section of scripture

56:35 and it's just kind of like but are we all equipped in the same way like who exactly is equipped to

56:41 do that I don't believe that we just have to go to a Catholic priest if we feel like somebody's

56:45 under like demonic oppression or something like that but that's just something that came up with me

56:50 for this section I mean I look at these guys were they even believers in Christ or were they just

56:55 using his name just to be able to do their job seems like more the latter yeah and so that's why

57:00 I'm thinking like that's why we don't know you you know because we don't even see Jesus in you

57:05 you know like we do see in Paul and so basically they was just like you're you delve into witchcraft

57:09 you're you're no different than us and so he attacked them he had no fear of them because the

57:13 Lord wasn't with them yeah did you just solidify that entire section I did let's go Ryan Horne we

57:21 started with clone and we made it all the way here but guys we need to get into the right now no

57:26 one can smell yet at the moment because we did the smelling something yeah I know dude smelling

57:29 salts feel like it happened hours ago I don't know if that's like a problem I freaked out yeah well

57:34 we can put it again we can hit it again at the end of the note you're okay I'll take a jocko go

57:38 okay fair enough fair enough all right now we need to get into the the riot F assistant so

57:42 we're gonna do versus 21 through 27 so Jay how about you hit 21 through or Ryan no Jay no actually

57:51 I take it back Ryan if you can hit the riot at F says Lisa's first part 21 through 27 it's not that

57:56 many 27 okay now after these events Paul resolved in the spirit to pass through Macedonia and

58:03 acacia okay yeah okay yeah let's close there's no see and go to Jerusalem saying after I've been

58:09 there I must also see Rome and having sent into and having sent into Macedonia two of his helpers

58:15 Timothy and Arastis he himself stayed in Asia for a while about that time there arose a little

58:22 disturbance concerning the way for a man named Demetrius a silversmith who made silver shrines

58:29 of Artemis of Artemis brought no little business brought no little business to the craftsmen

58:35 these he gathered together with the work with the workmen in similar trades and said men

58:40 you know that from

58:42 this business we have our wealth and you see and hear that not only an ethicist but in almost all

58:52 of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people saying that God's

58:58 that God's made with it with hands are not gods and there is a danger not only that this trade

59:04 of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be

59:11 counted as nothing and that she may even be to pose from her magnificent her magnificence and she

59:18 and she whom all Asia and all the world worship so I thought Scott had a great commentary here

59:23 he said thus vested interests were disguised as local patriotism in this case also under the cloak

59:29 of religious zeal and so they're they're trying to say this is a religious issue but the disturbance

59:34 is not uh this is a stat as well the disturbance was not doctrinal in nature and it certainly was

59:40 an ethical in nature it was all economic but they're cloaking it they're cloaking their rage in some

59:46 form of like virtue signaling version of Christianity and so it's like do we have any modern examples

59:51 of that that anybody would like to share well I mean previously the Jews did the same thing they

59:56 tried to cloak their rage behind treason oh they're they're killing to roam yeah appealing to roam

1:00:02 that there's another king beside Caesar so yeah this is this is the same song but just a different

1:00:07 audience delivering it well Jay how about you keep us going through the end of the chapter here and

1:00:10 then we'll wrap up acts 19 so go ahead and read 28 through the end which is 41 when they heard

1:00:15 this and were filled with rage they began crying out saying great is Artemis of the Ephesians the

1:00:20 city was filled with confusion and they rushed with one accord into the theater dragging along

1:00:25 Gaius and Aristarchus Paul's traveling companions from Macedonia and when Paul wanted to go into

1:00:30 the assembly the disciples would not let him also some of the Asyarks who were friends of of his

1:00:35 sent to him and repeatedly urged him not to venture into the theater so then some were shouting one

1:00:40 thing and some another for the assembly was in confusion and the majority did not know for what

1:00:44 reason they had come together some of the crowd concluded it was Alexander since the Jews had put

1:00:49 him forward and having mentioned with his hand Alexander was intending to make a defense to the

1:00:53 assembly when they recognized that he was a Jew a single outcry arose from them all as they

1:00:59 from them all as they shouted for about two hours great is Artemis of the Ephesians

1:01:04 after quieting the crowd the town clerk said men of Ephesus what man is there after all who does

1:01:09 not know that the city of Ephesians is guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of the image

1:01:14 which fell down from heaven so since these are undeniable facts you ought to keep calm and to do

1:01:19 nothing rash for you have brought these men here who are neither robbers of temples nor blasphemers

1:01:24 blasphemers of our goddess so then the Demetrius and the craftsmen who are with him have a complaint

1:01:28 against any man the courts are in session and pro councils are available let them bring charges

1:01:33 against one another but if you want anything beyond this it should be settled in the lawful

1:01:38 assembly for indeed we are in danger of being accused of a riot in connection with today's events

1:01:43 since there's no real cause for it and in this connection we'll be unable to account for this

1:01:47 disorderly gathering after saying this he dismissed the assembly so I definitely don't know how many

1:01:52 times you guys have done this during your job where something you said or did caused a riot but that

1:01:57 certainly happened here the thing that was overwhelming to me about this section is the calm voice of

1:02:02 reason coming from the town clerk whose name we don't even get this guy's like all right he didn't

1:02:07 try to match the level of crazy he didn't try to shout over the level of crazy he went the opposite

1:02:12 direction I've talked about that before sometimes when I've gotten into you know kinetic argument

1:02:17 situations with people I tend to go the opposite way to where it's like they get louder and I get

1:02:21 quieter and it's like hey I'm going to drag you towards the center here because this is getting a

1:02:25 little bit ridiculous because we're not going to having [inaudible] contests to see who can be louder

1:02:29 and so sometimes a calm voice of reason really helps in a situation like this as well but other

1:02:33 stuff in terms of the the riot that was caused here in Ephesus I like the fact that Paul wanted

1:02:38 to go out there and do something like these like those are my boys I need to go and everybody's like

1:02:42 holding them back you know and so I thought I thought that was pretty cool well and the calm

1:02:47 force of reason here is self-preserving yeah he doesn't want Rome we don't want Rome to show up

1:02:52 we don't want to get regulated we don't you know want any kind of hand of authority that's beyond

1:02:56 ourselves to come along so hey it's in our best interest for everybody to settle down and the

1:03:01 clerk kind of reminded me of I can't remember it was one of the yeah Sadducees back in Acts when they

1:03:08 were talking about about Christianity and he said hey if if this rings true then it's going to you

1:03:18 know it's gonna it's gonna expand but if like other people like other religions and these other

1:03:23 guys that came out he said if it doesn't they're gonna disperse like these others and that's basically

1:03:27 what this clerk said he's like everybody knows Artemis's power nobody's going to come out

1:03:31 against Artemis but like he used his own zeal and you know nobody nobody worshiped Artemis anymore

1:03:38 so yeah I was trying to find that because I remember that that was early that was early in Acts I

1:03:43 should have went and wrote it down but as it was so eloquently read by Pastor J it kind of hit a

1:03:49 nerve and maybe remember okay very good we'll find it we'll we'll maybe mention it on next week's

1:03:53 show but guys anything else on Acts 19 before we wrap up it is a small miracle that we made it to

1:03:59 this moment but just throwing it out there's anybody need anymore smelling salt you're not supposed

1:04:02 to do it once a day it does say that on the bottle with an exclamation point so I think they mean it

1:04:06 or it's a polite suggestion at least no no no I'm still feeling it right here three no's okay I guess

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