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This is Undaunted Life, a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the forging table.
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The mission of Undaunted Life is equipping them to push back darkness with content that
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forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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At the forging table, you will see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's Word, and we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with
1:38
us.
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That's Winkler.
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That's Dagan.
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That's Ryan going out of order right now, guys.
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We're digging into Acts 12.
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But the first thing I need to know is Ryan, what were you looking at just a second ago?
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I was doing my intro.
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You got all distracted.
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Looked over there.
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Are you scared?
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Is something over there?
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Did you see a ghost?
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I was seeing him.
1:52
It was dark outside yet.
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Okay.
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The reason why Winkler is dying laughing currently is because we are in a studio.
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There is one window, and if it were open, we would know.
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It's a blacked out studio, and yet you get so distracted in the middle of my intro that
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you just right rubber neck over to see if it's still light outside.
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Would you like to report to the listeners whether or not you can see light outside the
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studio?
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Get over here because I checked my mic volume.
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Yeah.
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So guys on YouTube on YouTube, we've got all of our levels and crap that I don't understand
2:24
shout out to land in our editor over there.
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But on most of the screen is us.
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And so Dagan and I can't see whether or not we look cool in the exact moment.
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But these two Jack Black and Winkler and Horn constantly look over there.
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But I will say this.
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Winkler, I had to mention it one time.
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He's like, all right.
2:41
I'm going to stop doing that.
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You, however, you look at yourself.
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I've got looking at myself, I'm looking at the mic levels in yourself.
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Oh, no, I don't.
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I find it ironic that probably the two people that shouldn't be looking at the screen more
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than anybody else are probably looking at themselves.
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You don't sell yourself short.
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You give me, you give me so much crap about my voice.
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No.
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And everything.
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So I checked my mic levels.
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Like I'm in the yellows right now.
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That's where I want to be.
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All right.
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I'm going to help you out here.
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Even though I've explained this every week to you for like two years now.
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That's why we wear headphones because you can hear yourself.
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You don't need to see the levels.
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Like remember how many times we did this without levels?
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What did I tell you?
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How you can tell?
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Because you can hear whether or not the mic's picking you up, brother.
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Last time when I was on like two weeks ago, three weeks ago, I looked over and I could
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see the levels.
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And so I was like, Oh, did it, did it help and while you were looking over your checking?
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No, because then you went over and you were like, good, good checking yourself out.
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I also saw you were licking your fingers and then, you know, your eyebrow.
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Yeah.
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That's how, that's the only way to fix my hair.
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I mean, but it's got to be pretty easy in the mornings.
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Like to, you just don't really have to do anything.
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You just get a shower, you pick out of your 50 clones and then you go and then you kind
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of pick what was the clone you went with today?
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Just so the guys out there that are into it, the two or three that are into it.
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Like, I don't know.
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Joey's already mad at me because of my clones.
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He is mad.
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And the thing about it is you were playing with house money because he somehow for some reason
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said that you were his favorite forging table, and then you blew it.
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All you had to do was just ride that wave of momentum to wrap your buddy.
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You asked me, but you brought up my clones.
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You could have just like easily dodged it.
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It was the perfect storm.
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Yeah.
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I got that exact.
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Mark Wahlberg and George Clooney at one.
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Hey, I will just say, but I mean, you still haven't admitted which, which one are you wearing
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right now?
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Where are you?
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I was tweed by Creed.
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Green Irish tweed.
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And that is not creed the band.
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Okay.
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So they can just to bring you out to speed just because you, I don't think you've, you've
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listened to that episode quite yet, but yeah, so it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.
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So I was taking a shower over Ryan's house.
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That's a long story, but you know, I'm coming out of the shower and like a normal man.
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You know what I'm looking for?
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I'm looking for cute tips.
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Right?
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I got to get the gunk out of the house.
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Yeah.
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My cute tips are like right out there on the counter.
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Yeah.
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I did see that.
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I had to count.
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They do just wanted to reason snoop, you know, like freaking Snoop Dogg over here.
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I was like, no, no, no, let's see what kind of smells he's got.
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I was not snooping because you never know what you're going to find.
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I don't need to find.
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Anyway, we'll leave that.
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You never know what you're going to find in someone's bathroom, but I opened up one cabinet
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door.
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And there's like three dozen bottles of cologne, no, no hyperbole.
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They're like, no, no, no, no, there was somewhere between two and three dozen bottles of cologne.
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There's not 30, like 24 bottles of cologne in there.
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All right.
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Let, let, let's just go with the 12.
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Yeah.
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No, no, I'll go.
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15.
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No, no, no, no.
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Hold on.
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I'll take 20.
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I'll take 20.
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I'll take 20.
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I'm going to different route here.
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So, okay.
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You can judge me, whatever, but the 12, I'm just curious why you would need 12.
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Well, like, even 12, and it's way worse than that, but I have, I have like a, I have one
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that I would wear when it's hot and then one that I would wear when it's colder.
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See, I think that's too many.
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Right.
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That's too, too many.
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Right.
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I have, I have one bottle of cologne that was a gift from my wife.
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I don't think I've ever purchased cologne for myself.
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Well, I, so you.
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So my question.
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I'm not answering anymore questions.
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Did you, did you purchase all of these?
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No, some of them are, like, some of them were purchased for me, like 25 years ago, and
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you still have it.
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Well, like, my first bottle of creed I got in 2017, so still have it.
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So is this like, is this like a, so some people are into bourbon, right?
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Some, some people are into guitars.
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Let me give you the story.
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Let me give you the story.
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So I just love that Dagen isn't aware, so we get to do this again.
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Yeah, I love it.
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I freaking hate this.
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You're welcome.
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Let's go.
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We have the same reaction.
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If I walked into a dude's bathroom and opened up the cabinet and saw like this menagerie
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of.
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Yeah.
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Way more than 12.
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Yeah.
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Way more than 12.
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But go ahead.
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Explain.
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Ryan was basically, he was basically going, he was like, I think horns got a brush I can
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use.
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I'm like, yeah, no, you're just looking through my stuff.
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No.
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So I was, uh, seventh grade, I was in home act.
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There was this girl I really liked.
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So I went up to talk to her and she's like, what's your name?
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And I was like, Ryan Horn.
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And she's like, Oh, when she got that crapped his pants last year in class.
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And I'm like, no.
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This is the foundation.
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Yes.
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And so like already had kind of like my dad wore cologne and he got me like two clones.
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You know, like back when I was like six, I still had him.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Was the story true?
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What story?
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Did you craft your pants?
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No, I didn't.
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No, no, no, no, I was like, no, I did not crap my pants, you know, but it got around
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that supposedly I crapped my pants.
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And so I remember like people would sit next to me because they thought I smelled bad.
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And like it just kind of sat with me.
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And so I remember going home and I said, Oh, for my birthday and Christmas is cloned.
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So like since like every year, so like people would just buy me cologne and then I started
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smelling other clones and I went to pick up some cologne for my dad one time.
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And like the stuff smelled really good.
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So I bought some of that and then it just kind of just snowballed from there.
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And so I buy it.
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I would buy clones like if I run out of like a creed now that I'll go and buy another
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creed, I try to find which smell I like the most and kind of roll with that smell.
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But like, yeah, I have one, I actually don't have one I have, I have two for spring, two
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for fall, two for winter, so two for flag day, two for Easter.
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Yeah.
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Well, I also have like very elegant affair cologne and then I have like just my regular
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go around town cologne, stuff like that.
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Dang it.
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I'm so happy.
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Go around town cologne.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's where I wear the Versace.
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Okay.
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Here's it.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, here's the last time.
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So like I think I wore like a curve or cool water, one of those two, I literally moved
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into this house eight years ago with a bottle of cologne and never touched it.
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And I literally threw it away a month or two ago because you know why?
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Because they used soap and I bathe like, so I don't feel the need for extra.
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I don't feel the need for extra since.
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But one thing that you haven't gotten to yet is, why don't you have them?
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Why don't you ask them how much the bottles cost?
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So go back and watch.
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Go back and watch.
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I can work here now.
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Let's do a live.
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I'm going to watch it.
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I will watch it.
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But you can do this.
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I mean, things.
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Just go.
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Hold on.
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Can I guess?
9:18
Can I guess?
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You are you own creed.
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You know how much it costs.
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I do know how much crease costs.
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It's expensive.
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Let.
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Let me ask you this.
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Is it is a bottle of it?
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Wait more.
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Wait more.
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Wow.
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I told Kyle I'll donate all my clone when he donates all his guns to Shane Claymore.
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No.
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That was the thing that got me because I was like, okay, so you got a clone thing.
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But I had no idea about the world of Cologne because I had had pimp when I was a kid.
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I had a cool otter.
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Good work.
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You probably like were acts.
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No, didn't wear acts because I'm not a redneck.
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Okay.
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So I was just redheaded.
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I'm older than you guys.
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I was green polo and Dracar Noir.
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Oh, man.
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That's my emo name.
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Dracar Noir.
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There's a show on Fox called Raising Hope and this like really goofy kid has like guy,
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has like a kid that he's raising with his parents.
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And like all of a sudden he goes back to his emo days and his name is Dracar Noir.
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It's money.
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Raising hope.
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Dude.
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You got to watch it.
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It's hilarious.
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Well, we got off subject there for a little bit.
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So why don't you tell Deagan what, you know, some of these bottles cost like, you know,
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what's kind of like your, your Mount Rushmore of expensive bottles.
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What are they?
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Yeah.
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What are they?
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Tell me what the most expensive.
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Yeah, let's, let's go.
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The elegant.
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You're wearing a tuxedo.
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If I'm wearing a tuxedo, I wear a creed oud or I wear a pen halogen, but should do about
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the Duke.
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That's one.
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That's the one with the dog head.
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Okay.
10:44
That was the one I remembered and those costs approximately the much to do about the Duke
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was like a little over probably over $300, but it's like only like 2.5 fluid ounces when
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you can get creed at like 3.3.
10:59
So you have to like what a bargain.
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Well, creeds.
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Yeah.
11:04
I mean 1.3.
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Yeah.
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More ounces.
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Right.
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More sprays, bro.
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I mean, but let's get, let's get to the top ones.
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What are, what are your top, most expensive bottles?
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Let's go.
11:13
The creed ones like the creed, right?
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But how much are they?
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I'm not dude.
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I'm not.
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You're doing it.
11:19
Stagan's leaning forward.
11:20
He's interested.
11:21
Will you do it for me?
11:22
No, no, no, don't save him.
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Don't save him.
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So I swear if I do my two winners since one is creed Viking, that's about $450.
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And if you rare get creed oud, it's about $550.
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And those are probably the two most expensive one.
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All the other creeds are like 450, which is really expensive to back up Ryan a little
11:44
bit here. I bet you everybody at this table can probably point to one thing that they
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spend entirely too much money on.
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And we have zero reason to have that much of it.
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Yeah.
11:55
It's really bad.
11:56
Yeah.
11:57
I was just shocked.
11:58
Okay.
11:59
I get, I get, I'm on a trying to find Q tips and I just found out something I wish I
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didn't know.
12:06
Like, well, cause that's the other thing is like I never have like, you know, been around
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you, put my arm around you, something like that and been like, Oh, cause you can usually
12:13
tell when people are wearing cologne, so it's typically pretty subtle.
12:16
So when that episode dropped, I had like three people trust me at church.
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Hold on.
12:20
I just lean in and I got the biggest heartburn on how you put it on.
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Oh, yeah.
12:26
Let's do that.
12:27
This is completely wrong.
12:28
Take us through the process.
12:29
It's completely wrong.
12:30
Okay.
12:31
How do you put on?
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Cologne at pulse points, man.
12:33
I hear pulse points.
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Here.
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Let me tell you how I do it here.
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Okay.
12:37
So let me tell you how I do it.
12:38
You can tell me.
12:39
We got the master.
12:40
I am like, I got one bottle.
12:41
It's John.
12:42
Is it varvedos?
12:43
Yeah.
12:44
John varvedos.
12:45
John varvedos.
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With like leather.
12:47
Leather.
12:48
He just leather.
12:49
It smells good.
12:50
It's good stuff.
12:51
But I wear it because my wife bought it because she thinks it smells good.
12:54
And that's the only reason I wear it.
12:56
Like I will, if she thinks I smell good, I'll wear it.
12:58
But I, it's spritzes on both sides of the neck and then I was, I was taught to put it
13:03
on your wrist and then you rub your wrist.
13:06
You don't rub it.
13:07
Just.
13:08
Oh, done.
13:09
Well, I'm doing it wrong.
13:10
I'm right.
13:11
For their people just listening at home, Winkler was just, oh, I'm stopping his wrist.
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Yeah.
13:17
Yeah.
13:18
Just double tap.
13:19
Okay.
13:20
That's all you need to do.
13:21
Double tap.
13:22
If you start rubbing it together, you're going to actually rub it into your pores and then
13:23
it actually won't come out.
13:24
So you won't come out.
13:25
What do you mean?
13:26
Won't get the scent.
13:27
Well, the scent will go away.
13:28
You should.
13:29
You should also moisturize too.
13:30
All right.
13:31
I don't get that.
13:32
Cause if you have dry skin, it won't catch the oils.
13:36
I love how he points to Winkler when he says you have to moisturize.
13:40
You freakin ashy.
13:42
You also.
13:43
We want to go in a face care routines now.
13:44
Maybe.
13:45
Hey man.
13:46
Every nail ball.
13:47
I have to.
13:48
This is the most mainly version of the forging table I've ever sat through.
13:52
I do the same thing you do.
13:54
But I sprayed this.
13:55
Let's share recipes next.
13:56
I'm not sure.
13:57
I don't know that barbecue recipe.
13:58
Let's go.
13:59
All right.
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One spray, two spray, spray in the back.
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And then I spray the pressure points, but then I do that and then I do this and I do that
14:09
too.
14:10
So you have to describe it in detail for the people at home that are watching it because
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you said that, that, that they don't know what that means.
14:15
So we need to get real detailed here.
14:17
Come on.
14:18
Come on, Ryan.
14:19
Glad I'm like, we're dragging this out.
14:20
We're dragging this.
14:21
We're dragging this one out.
14:22
Let's go.
14:23
This is my last one for a while.
14:24
So chest spray, chest twice.
14:26
It's like the mock.
14:27
Kind of right.
14:28
Right.
14:29
Right back at the end of the day.
14:30
Spray a pressure point on your wrist twice, then dab, dab and then dab on the sides.
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And then I'll rub the rest on my head.
14:40
Now let's go back to this moisturizer thing.
14:43
Now I only opened up one cabinet door and was so shocked by what I saw.
14:48
I just like, I snuck out of the house.
14:50
If I had opened up the cabinet drawer next to it, what I've seen like 17 different moisturizers
14:57
or I just use bloody knuckles is like this stuff that helps with dry skin.
15:01
If your skin's dry, it's not going to the cologne's not going to catch.
15:05
Let me ask you this.
15:06
Are you a member of any forums specifically about?
15:10
No.
15:11
I only do barbecue and whiskey forums.
15:14
Okay.
15:15
Cologne's like I like cologne and I spend money on cologne because I like good smelling cologne.
15:20
But like if I really had a passion, it's smoking meat and drinking bourbon.
15:24
I mean, my bourbon collection.
15:25
Amen.
15:26
My cologne collection.
15:27
But no, I get it.
15:28
It's a lot of money on cologne.
15:29
I get it.
15:30
It's ridiculous.
15:31
And what's going on?
15:32
And I apologize to all you listeners out there for my ridiculous.
15:35
No.
15:36
You buy a lot.
15:37
You buy a lot of it, but it's going to last a long time.
15:38
It's not like it.
15:39
Does it go bad?
15:40
No.
15:41
I still have one from like 2016.
15:42
Yeah.
15:43
Okay.
15:44
Yeah.
15:45
So it's not like an expiration date.
15:46
Yeah.
15:47
Like it's not like I buy these every year.
15:48
I like buy one.
15:49
Like sometimes if I see a sale or a deal, I'll go and buy one or you know, when I work
15:53
sales, I get a commission check and if I want to go give myself something and I already
15:56
have plenty of bourbon, maybe I'll save up and go get a cologne for that year.
16:00
Okay.
16:01
Or I get it for Christmas and Father's Day or something like that.
16:03
Okay, legitimate question because every time I feel like every year I find like a collectibles
16:08
world that I knew nothing about that people are like bajillionaires because they collect
16:13
like ancient toothpicks or something.
16:15
So like are there like clones that kind of like a bourbon to where it's like, well, we'll
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say it like a single malt scotch.
16:21
So you have like logable and 25 only 8,000 bottles were made.
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I have bottle 253 like in then every year a bottle gets opened or lost or broken.
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And so it becomes more more valuable is that the same like we just discovered a 1957 bottle
16:36
of old spice.
16:37
Right.
16:38
Like legit.
16:39
Like would that be?
16:40
Is that a thing?
16:41
I mean, I don't know.
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I wear it, but I'm pretty sure if like I like put one away and then my kid or grand kid
16:46
picked it up.
16:47
They probably don't make it anymore.
16:49
But Creed's been around since like a long time, like that's what like shoot like Kings
16:55
were wearing it back in like the 17, 1800s and something.
16:58
Louis the 16th.
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Yeah.
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What are you looking at?
17:01
I'm just ordering a bottle day in.
17:02
Are you doing it live here on the show?
17:03
No.
17:04
Are you sure?
17:05
Yeah.
17:06
One, one quick Google a little and the pricing will talk you out of buying something real
17:07
fast.
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You can't.
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$495 for Creed.
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A Ventus.
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Yeah.
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That's what I wear.
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So what, what season is that for?
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I would wear a Ventus in the winter or I would wear eight.
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I would wear a Ventus in the winter or I would wear eight.
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I didn't see I wear it in the summer.
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So so I wear green.
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I wish we were so we've lost the entire audience at this point, but I don't even care because
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I got more questions.
17:39
So what, what makes a scent a summer scent versus a winter scent?
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I mean, I'd say like what are the main layers like Bergamont, oud.
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I wear a lot of oods in the winter because it's going to pick up.
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It's going to carry them a little bit more.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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I don't know that I just, I think it smells good.
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Okay.
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I know when it's cold and I, and in the fall I wear Tom Ford, bourbon vanilla.
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Hey, listen, every once in a while when I get dressed up, I wear John Varvino's cologne
18:09
because I like sex.
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And on that note guys, let's go and talk about acts 12 transition.
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You have all transitions.
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I hope your wife is not listening to this episode.
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Does it have actual bits of panther in it guys?
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Let's dig in to acts 12, acts 12, Ryan, you've done a lot talking and you're going to do
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a lot more.
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So here let's do a lot more.
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Let's just read the first five verses of acts 12.
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All right.
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About the time Harry, the king laid violent hands on some of some who belong to the church.
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He killed James, the brother of John with a sword.
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And when he saw that it was that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also.
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This was during the days of unleavened bread.
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And when they had seized him, he put him in prison delivering him over to four squads
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of soldiers to guard him intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.
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So Peter kept what he left.
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He's just talking, man.
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I can't read good.
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No, you're reading just fine.
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We were all turning the page at the same time.
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So Peter was kept in prison, but earnest prayers for him was made to God by the church.
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Yeah.
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So James, brother of John, not the half brother of Jesus or brother of Jesus, first apostle
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killed.
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So this is, this is kind of a big deal here and just for a little note here, Herod, this
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is not here at the great.
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This is Herod, a grip of the first.
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This is a grandson of Herod, the great.
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So there's a few things that we can talk about here in this first section, but something
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that I found to be pretty interesting in verse five.
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So Peter was kept in prison, but earnest prayer for him was made to God by the church.
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So if you keep, you know, if you keep reading along, you, you know, that spoiler alert,
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Peter gets saved, but the praying that they were doing for him at this time, they didn't
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know that was going to happen.
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So they're praying in such a fervent way, again, it's saying, but earnest prayer for
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him was made to God by the church.
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That's, that's something that's interesting to me.
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I feel like in a modern context, the only time I've ever seen something like that is
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if you've got, I don't know, maybe someone gets a bad cancer diagnosis or one of their
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children gets sick or injured, or like maybe there's like an affair or like a tragic death
20:25
or something like those are maybe the only times where I feel like you could categorize,
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Hey, this group of believers is doing earnest prayer on behalf of somebody else.
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But I feel like we don't really see that too terribly often.
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No, I mean, I think we all pray, pray to find solace.
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We pray to find the comforting in God.
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And I think R.C. Sproul brought it up in this about just prayer in general that people
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think that, you know, God, God has unanswered prayers and it's God never unanswered prayers.
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He's either tells you, yes, no, we're wait.
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And so that's one thing that we have to look at when we are praying, like people are praying
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for, for Peter to be released, you know, people were praying for James to be released and,
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you know, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, you know, and so we just have to
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put our, you know, our faith in God's sovereignty and just kind of kind of roll with it.
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But always, always talk to him.
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I mean, I don't know, I'm not the best at prayer life.
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I wish I was.
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It's something I could definitely work on.
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But most of the time when I'm praying, I'm praying, you know, just to God about, you
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know, certain things like just praising him and everything like that.
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But very rarely do I come and say, Hey, Lord, I need this.
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And I think there's times when that needs to be done.
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And I think doing that as a church body is a good, fruitful thing.
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Have you guys been a part of like a body of believers that are praying?
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I mean, some people who just have the gift of it, right?
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It's, it's, it's like, it's like a sermonette as they're praying.
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And it is, it is sincere and it, it almost like it's just flowing off their tongue.
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But it sounds, it's flowing off their tongue so easily.
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It's like they wrote it before they got up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then just, but, but being in those groups, the encouragement that I've always been that
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received, right, cause I'm, I don't feel I'm like that.
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I feel like I'm like, I like praying, but I don't feel like I'm like, that pray, like
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some of those people do, but man, what a, it's like an electric, like, you know, it's like
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the spirit is moving and you can feel it in the body of believers and, and you really
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can feel the power of communal prayer like that.
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Like do you, have you guys experienced saying this?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So you say the, the scariest sentence for me to hear when I'm among a body believers is
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Jake.
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Will you pray for us?
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It's the scariest sentence because I'm like, I, I don't do this very well.
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Like you can put me, I, I teach classes and, and, and we'll do some public speaking and
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everything.
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And I can speak extemporaneously, no problem, but for some reason, whenever it's like, okay,
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we're praying now.
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I am way more comfortable praying like Nehemiah did, like in, in 150 words or less.
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I mean, 150 characters or less.
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That's, that's my type of prayer.
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I'm way more quick and, and so whenever I do get asked to pray for a large group, I'm,
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I'm never that comfortable in, in maybe that's the, maybe I shouldn't be, but I don't really
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know any other way to do it.
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I remember at the 4th of July gathering last year, Kyle was there.
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We go to a 4th of July gathering at Russell's house, who was on the forging table previously.
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And Russell was just like, Hey, Jake, will you pray for us?
23:36
And I'm like there.
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And I'm like, yeah.
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Catholic prayer.
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That would be super sweet.
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Hail Mary.
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You guys ever like, you ever get a part of those groups where y'all have to go lay hands
23:50
on somebody, you know, like, everybody's like laying hands on like one person and praying
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for them, but your hands like on the guy in front of you and you're like, you're hoping
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a passage through your trade, but then it's like one guy starts and then like, it just
24:03
like kind of goes.
24:04
And you're like, you know who the last guy is, but then you're like, well, only one person
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prayed.
24:08
So I better say something or I better pray something because if it gets to this other
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guy, it's like two people break.
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Yeah.
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I ran into those.
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Those kind of freaked me out.
24:17
I think, I think I've, I've struggled.
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And I think we've, we've talked a few times about struggles with personal prayer, life
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and stuff on this show.
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And, but again, every week we get new listeners.
24:25
And so every now and then it's, it's worth it to bring it back up again.
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And I've been very honest about me personally struggling with prayer because I'm like, okay,
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God is sovereign.
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So this seven year old girl that I found out that has cancer, I can pray for it, but he's
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either going to say for her or he's not and he's not going to determine whether or not
24:40
to do so, whether he's depending upon if I pray about it or not, or how often I pray
24:45
about it or how long I do it or how poetic it is or if I'm laying hands or something
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like that.
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And so I know the, the Bible church and Sunday school answers to, to that.
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And you know, we're called to pray and, you know, take our, take our issues to the Lord
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and, you know, to, to ask for things and all that type of stuff.
25:03
But that's the thing for me where, where I struggle to where it's like, okay, I don't
25:07
want to just pray for stuff that I want because it feels selfish, even, but at the same time,
25:12
it's like, okay, when I'm specifically praying for something to go better for someone else
25:16
or someone to get good news from the doctor, not bad news or for someone's marriage to
25:19
work out that, you know, when it's on the rocks, like when I'm praying for that, at the whole
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time, I'm like, yeah, but he's going to do whatever he wants.
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Go ahead.
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But like, when I pray for that person who's like the seven year old who could be dying,
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I'm not only praying for healing, you know, and hoping for that, I'm praying for comfort.
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I'm praying for other things.
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I'm praying for her family.
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I'm praying for her.
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Well, that's, that's actually to the point that I was to it, what I was making to where
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it's like, um, people will say, okay, so let's just take the seven year old girl scenario
25:48
because we're not actually talking about a real seven year old girl.
25:50
I just made it up.
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So seven year old girl has cancer, doesn't look good.
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My kid's dying, um, and you get people together and you do those types of prayers.
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You do the hand laying on prayer.
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You have prayer meetings, you know, I have prayer vigils.
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You do all those different things.
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Praying for salvation.
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Yeah.
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All that.
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All that, right.
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Kid gets saved.
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Oh my gosh.
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Praise God.
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This is amazing.
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They'll be like, this is great.
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Like, Oh, you know, prayer works.
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All that.
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Okay.
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Next scenario.
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Kid actually dies.
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Hey, you know what?
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God sovereign.
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You know, God needed his, God needed his angel back in heaven or God's got a plan and
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God's whatever.
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And so that was always my struggle.
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Just as like a justice fairness minded person, it was kind of a mental handicap for me because
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I'm like, wait, God, which I get it.
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I agree.
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God is sovereign and gets the praise no matter what because he's going to try to use everything
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for his purposes.
26:38
But I was like, okay.
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So you're like, we really need to pray about this.
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But even if it doesn't go the way that we prayed for, we're like, Oh, it's all good though.
26:45
You know, that that was always like my struggle where I like, I didn't have anybody kind of
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like we were talking about last week.
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I didn't have anyone discipling me like answering some of these questions.
26:52
That might be old hat for people.
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They're like, yeah, this shouldn't be a hang up, but it was just always a hang out for me
26:56
because it's like, it's like you're playing both sides of the fence and you're celebrating
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regardless of the results.
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Yeah.
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And I think it would came down for me is when I had those questions is it came down to the
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word obedience.
27:06
It's like I just have to be obedient.
27:08
I may not like the outcome.
27:09
I may be praying for a different outcome, but I need to be obedient to what God calls me
27:13
to do.
27:14
And then through that obedience, I'm going to find comfort that we're going to find comfort.
27:18
God's going to work something out.
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But we also, the thing that we look at too is we live in a sinful world, you know, like
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Christ came to this earth, but he didn't heal everybody who was sick, you know?
27:27
And so the thing is that we still live in a sinful world.
27:30
People are going to die at young ages and it's horrible and it's sad, but it's just the world
27:34
that we live in and God's going to work stuff out to His good, you know, it may not look
27:39
good for us, but it could be good for something else.
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And so that's why we just have to have faith in the sovereignty.
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Well, and you praying for a little girl or a, you know, a neighbor or whatever the scenario
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is, it's, it's, it's God can create a unique character in you through that experience,
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right?
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Like you're, you're, you're consecrating your faith in Him on the situation by going to
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prayer, by reading, reading, you know, scripture about it, committing it to prayer.
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It's like, Hey God, this is, you're, you're basically establishing like this is your situation.
28:11
You are sovereign over this situation.
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So it's, it, and just because I ask you out of my own selfishness, right?
28:19
Like every day I'm proof that we need a savior.
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And part of that is selfishness.
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My, my, my, my really narrow mindset and my narrow vision of what is good in this situation
28:31
tells me that the only thing good in this situation is, is if she gets better, that's
28:35
the only good, but unlimited.
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I've got a limited perspective on eternity.
28:39
I've got a limited perspective on God's plan.
28:42
So God's goodness is what is what I just, I just need to pray God, I, I know that you
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love her and I know that you want that, that you have a plan for her and it's to prosper
28:56
and not to harm and, and just sit and soak in God's goodness and just show that you are
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faithful to his plan, rather than like, Hey, I'm, I'm going to ask and if it doesn't happen,
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I'm going to be ready because he gives any takes.
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So if he, if he gives, I'm going to say, well, yeah, he's a good giver and he's a good father
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and he's a provider.
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And if he takes, I'm going to be like, Oh, well, you know, I mean, he takes, you know,
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so, and you, you bring up that narrow mindedness and I think back to Dorcas.
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Dorsos.
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Dorsos.
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Dorsos.
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Dorsos.
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I'm going to do that to her when church it up, gotta church it up.
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Dorsos.
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By creed.
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Hey, hey, are you able to submit like name suggestions?
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That's fantastic.
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Let's go.
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The official scent of the forging table.
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I love it.
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Oh, man.
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Come on.
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I just heard the news today.
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Yeah.
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Let's go.
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A narrow minded, narrow mindedness is how we don't know what God's going to do.
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Like we have to trust in this sovereignty.
30:09
So when Peter went in there to Dorcas, why she was dead, he had everybody leave notice
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that nobody was in there to watch him because he didn't know what was going to happen.
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He's like, I'm going to pray for her.
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I'm going to believe for this.
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But if it doesn't happen, I don't want, you know, everybody thinks like, Oh, he doesn't
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have the power or, you know, God's not with him or anything like that.
30:24
No, he goes and does it in private.
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You know, and then through that privacy, you know, God, God fulfilled what what he needed
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to fulfill in that moment.
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And that was to bring people to Christianity.
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But that's the thing is like we don't have, we have a narrow minded view.
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He's like, either I mean, she's going to live or she's going to die.
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I don't know what's going to happen after this.
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Yeah.
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I think there's something else to add here.
30:45
I mean, we talk about the narrow minded view.
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I would also just as a Christian nation now, when we say we're praying earnestly, what
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I, you know, I honestly think that looked a lot different back then.
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We're very comfortable, you know, we don't need a whole lot.
31:06
And honestly, when you go back and you look at church history, you know, within a few
31:10
centuries of Christ, you know, dying and suffering, you, you suddenly see the Roman Catholic
31:15
church rising up out of power and what are they doing?
31:19
They're gaining great wealth.
31:20
They're gaining great prestige.
31:21
It becomes a political appointment once the remote once the Romans take over.
31:26
And they once the Romans make it an official religion.
31:30
And I look at it and I go, well, Peter's like when you go back to the beautiful gate and
31:35
him healing the laymen at the beautiful gate and just literally just walks by and just stand
31:41
up and walk and it's told the story to you and Terry and Matt, but Thomas Aquinas went
31:50
and visited Rome and Pope Innocence, touring him around the Vatican and just basically
31:58
showing him all these great riches and gold and silver.
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And he looks over at Aquinas at Aquinas and he says, no longer can they say gold and silver,
32:10
we have none.
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And Aquinas responds, maybe that's why we can no longer say stand up and walk.
32:17
I just don't think that we're, we don't have the desperation that they did back then because
32:23
we're just so comfortable.
32:25
We are so, so comfortable.
32:26
And I think, yes, there's these horrible diagnoses and everything, but we've become so confident
32:32
in what man can do.
32:35
They had so much faith in the supernatural and we put so much faith in the natural one.
32:42
When's the last time any one of this table had to pray the prayer, give us a stay our
32:45
daily bread?
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Yeah.
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That's never.
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Yeah.
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I mean, for a lot of us, I mean, like we didn't grow up with a lot of money, but I was never
32:52
cold, you know, indoors.
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I was never hot indoors and I was always, I always went to bed with a full belly.
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You know what I mean?
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And so you're right, like we have a different level here and that's again, we have such
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a, you know, such a US centric idea of Christianity as well, such a Western centric idea of Christianity,
33:11
but it's like, Hey man, Christianity is exploding in places in the Middle East.
33:15
It's exploding in Sub-Saharan Africa.
33:18
It's exploding in Southeast Asia and all these places because it's like, you know, Christianity
33:23
doesn't need the Oklahoma City metro area.
33:25
It doesn't need the doesn't need DFW.
33:27
It doesn't need, you know, name your, your favorite place doesn't need Jacksonville.
33:30
It doesn't need any of these places because he's going to get done, whatever he needs
33:34
to get done.
33:35
I mean, we've talked about a lot on this podcast, Middle East, where you have Jesus visiting
33:39
Muslims in their dreams.
33:40
That's what happened with the bill, the bill, Kireshi and you know, he's, he's like literally
33:45
a Muslim apologist and then all of a sudden Jesus is talking to him in his dreams and
33:49
there are places in this country or in this world rather where we can't get missionaries
33:54
into, right?
33:55
Like, and so the Holy Spirit's doing work, uh, where we, where we can't be the hands and
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feet, but we still need to have that obedience and this is coming from the Calvinist.
34:04
We still need to have that obedience to go out and be the hands and feet.
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Well, and because you, well, you're right though, because, and when we've talked about
34:13
on the show as well, like those times when we hear whispers, hey, you can go talk to that
34:16
person.
34:17
All right.
34:18
You need to, you need to pay for that person center.
34:19
Hey, you need to, whatever.
34:20
And if you're anything like me listening to this or the guys at the table, I want to
34:23
be like, well, why, like, what is the purpose as opposed to let's like look moron, like,
34:28
that's not the point.
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The point is not so you can know why the point is I told you to.
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Yeah.
34:35
And you get to choose whether or not you're going to do that or whether you're not going
34:38
to do that or he's going to compel us to do it.
34:39
One of those categories, he's going to like figure that out.
34:41
But yes, we, you know, when we get that nudge to be the hands and feet, we should kind of
34:46
have a pretty good idea where that nudge is coming from.
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Yeah.
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All right, guys, let's keep acts 12, rolling nicely done.
34:52
All right, Dagan, let's go ahead and hit six through 19.
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The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers
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found with two chains and centuries stood guard at the entrance.
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Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared in a light shown in the cell.
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He struck Peter on the side and woke him up quick.
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Get up, he said.
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And the chains fell off Peter's wrists.
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Then the angel said to him, put on your clothes and sandals and Peter did so.
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Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.
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The angel told him, Peter followed him, followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea
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that what the angel was doing was really happening.
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He thought he was seeing a vision.
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They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city.
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It opened for them by itself and they went through it when they had walked the length
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of one street, suddenly the angel left him.
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Then Peter came to himself and said, now I know without a doubt that the Lord has sent
35:56
his angel and rescued me from Herod's clutches and from everything the Jewish people were
36:00
hoping would happen.
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When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John, also called
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Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying.
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Peter knocked at the entrance and a servant named Rhoda came to the answer the door.
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When she recognized Peter's voice, she was so overjoyed she ran back without opening it
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and exclaimed, Peter is at the door.
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You're out of your mind, they told her.
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When she kept insisting that it was so, they said, it must be an angel.
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But Peter kept on knocking and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astonished.
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Peter motioned with his hand for them to be quiet and described how the Lord had brought
36:40
him out of prison.
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Paul James and the other brothers and sisters about this, he said, and then he left for
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another place.
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In the morning, there was no small commotion among the soldiers as to what had become
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of Peter.
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After Herod had a thorough search made for him and did not find him, he cross-examined
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the guards and ordered they be executed.
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Oh, more, more?
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Herod went to Judea, from Judea to Caesarea and stayed there.
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Yeah.
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So that was the important part.
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Yeah.
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But you created suspense.
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It was.
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It really worked out.
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It was.
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It was.
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It was very suspicious.
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But what happens next?
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Where did he go?
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Yes.
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Where did he go?
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So, yeah, I mean, at the end, it's pretty rough.
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I literally wrote Ouch in there to where it's like, hey, you lost your prisoner and
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it's like you pay with your life.
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If this ever happened, a lot of these guards or centuries or, you know, whoever was in
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charge, they would actually kill themselves to, you know, potentially save themselves
37:37
from a torturous death.
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They would just take a quick death.
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But I want to actually go back to some kind of funny, like verse 14 is actually funny.
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If you read verse 14, recognizing Peter's voice in her joy, she did not open the gate,
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but ran in and reported that Peter was standing at the gate.
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I like that.
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But like the first time I read it, I completely missed it.
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And then when I went back, I was like, oh my gosh, she got so excited that she forgot
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to do the one thing that she was supposed to do.
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I imagine like this scene, like if this was a movie, right, like Rhoda runs and is in the
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other room.
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And then it, and she's like, Peter's at the door and they're like, that's crazy.
38:14
No, seriously.
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He must be an angel.
38:16
And then it pans back to Peter out of the door.
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He's like, hello.
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Yeah.
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Rhoda.
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Rhoda.
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Yeah.
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Would you please come back?
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Yeah.
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That would be good.
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It's dark out here.
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The door.
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Rhoda.
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Stark out here.
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Guys.
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She's escaped.
38:32
You think about that Irish guy at his funeral that they were playing, he said, I'm going
38:36
to play a song.
38:37
Oh, you know, the guy announced, oh, he wants to play a song for his funeral and they hit
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it.
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And it's a recording of him going, hello, hello, is anyone there?
38:45
And he's knocking.
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He's in the casket.
38:48
And so we like one to give his family like one last laugh.
38:51
So all these people are graveside like literally like melting down because, you know, they're
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their person's dead and he's literally like, oh, just knocking.
38:57
So that's probably what he's experiencing at this moment.
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That's hilarious.
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Anything else in this section, go ahead and talk about whatever you want to talk about.
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Well, you know, it's, it, to me, it's there is a direct analogy to, you know, Peter is,
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he's like, he's an important prisoner, right?
39:13
Like they're, hey, they, they can't execute him now because they're in this Passover and
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the, you know, feast of unleavened bread.
39:21
But they're going to do it as soon as that, as that festival is over.
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So he's an important person.
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They've got him guarded.
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They got him guarded, like multiple places from the front of the prison all the way back
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to the back.
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And then he's literally, he's like sleeping between two people, right?
39:35
So it's like, to me, you know, and the angel comes in and just takes him out of that.
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And y'all like, that is what like there is sometimes where we feel so bound in our sin
39:46
that we literally feel like we are chained to it and we're sleeping between it.
39:50
And then there is, there is like, there's no hope.
39:53
There is, well, I'm, I, I am, I'm chained to this sin.
39:57
And even if I got away from this sin that's current and present, I can see the next trap
40:03
that the devil has for me.
40:04
And then past that is another trap.
40:06
It's like all of these layers and how desperate and like futile that, that place is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
40:13
But, but just as the angel came to Peter and just like tapped him and said, get up.
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And then it's like, oh, get dressed.
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And it's like, oh, put on your robe because it's cold outside, right?
40:21
It's like, it's like, hey, do this and, and took him out.
40:24
Like God wants to do that for all of us.
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There is no circumstance that you are in and feel chained to that God can't just deliver
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you from like in an instant, right?
40:39
Like pull you out of the prison, walk you through bars and gates and guards and, and,
40:45
and, and rescue you from it.
40:47
Like the thing that made me think about too is like every time, every time somebody sees
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an angel, they're in fear and like they're freaking out.
40:54
And so I think the angel even says, like, gird up your loins.
40:57
And I remember that.
40:58
So God said to, to Job, like man up, it's like, Hey, get your crap together.
41:01
We got to get out of here.
41:03
We got to get out of here.
41:04
Well, Dagan, that was a nice little sermonette that you just delivered.
41:07
Like, let's, let's, let's go a little further with that because I remember being asked this.
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I came in the context.
41:13
It's not really important, but I remember somebody talking, well, I remember now.
41:16
So I was delivering a talk to a mastermind.
41:19
It's a Christian business mastermind group.
41:21
So shout out Riley Meek and the stuff that he does with King's counsel and all that.
41:25
But I'm talking to this group and the subject matter was discipline because I'm, I'm big
41:28
on discipline, pre-decision, like, you know, do the stuff that you're supposed to do.
41:31
You don't necessarily do what you feel like doing.
41:33
And so I do this talk, right?
41:35
And then it's Q and A time at the end, you know, 15 minutes left or whatever.
41:38
And the very first question and for whatever reason, I could just see by the guy's smarmy
41:41
look on his face, exactly what he was going to say and he goes, well, Kyle, that's all
41:46
well and good for a guy like you.
41:49
You were obviously born very disciplined and you lead a very disciplined life.
41:53
But what about for the rest of us?
41:55
People that aren't born that way.
41:56
And I was like, no, I'm not going to let you do that.
42:00
I make choices every single day about what I'm going to do because you have to constantly
42:05
put deposits in the right bank account, easiest way to talk about is with exercise.
42:09
So I've pre-decided tonight that when I wake up tomorrow morning that I'm going to go
42:14
exercise.
42:15
I'm not going to wait to see how I feel in the morning.
42:18
If I feel recovered enough or if my watch says my body battery is high enough for me
42:22
to exercise that day, I pre-decided that I'm going to get after it.
42:26
Okay.
42:27
And so the same thing happens with with all these disciplines.
42:30
You have to decide that this is something that you can do.
42:33
You're going to put a plan in place and then you're going to execute on it.
42:35
But the same thing happens with people with sin, there's like, okay, so let's take addiction
42:41
to porn.
42:42
Okay.
42:43
So this guy is addicted, but he's, you know, he's got software, he's got accountability
42:48
brothers.
42:49
Like he's fighting against the temptation.
42:51
He stopped masturbating because that's like the key to where he would want to look at,
42:55
you know, this pornographic material.
42:57
So it would be masturbatory.
42:58
So he's, he's attacking the cycle and then you got the other guys just like, man, it's
43:01
just, it's just out of my hands or, or he bought into this crap that it's an actual like addiction
43:06
that needs to have medical treatment or some of that nonsense.
43:09
I feel like a lot of guys with this, they, they're, they're comfortable with the chains.
43:13
Because when you have the chains, then you get a diagnosis and if you get a diagnosis,
43:17
then you could potentially get, you feel normal.
43:19
Yeah.
43:20
You feel normal cause everybody else has, you know, has, you know, orange bottles with
43:23
white tops on it in their, in their bathroom.
43:25
And this one's for my anxiety and this one's for my this and this one's for my that.
43:30
They never had a doctor once tell them like, Hey, have you tried getting sleep exercising
43:33
and eating real food for three months?
43:35
Maybe that'll change your entire life.
43:37
But on the sin piece, I just feel like so many people they can, especially they're just
43:40
like, Nope.
43:41
I'm chained to it.
43:42
They're just getting out and it's just God's not going to deliver me from it.
43:45
So, you know, I'm just going to try my best to live with it.
43:47
Well, or there's the, Hey, you know, the, the angel came to Peter, God comes to someone
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in the midst of their sin and says, Hey, get up, get, get up, get your stuff and come on.
43:55
And they, and they don't.
43:56
Yeah.
43:57
And it's like, Nah, Jesus paid for this.
44:00
Yeah.
44:01
And it's like, wow.
44:02
And the culture we live now and the grace culture that we live now, like even I was stuck
44:06
in that where I'm like, Hey, this is just who I am.
44:09
I need to love who I am.
44:11
You know, I need to love myself.
44:12
Yeah, I need to love myself.
44:13
I need God understands me.
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This is how he made me.
44:16
Yeah.
44:17
Like, no, sin made me this way.
44:18
God show me what is moral and what is right and what is holy.
44:21
I need to strive for that.
44:22
I just saw a video literally today, um, Frank Turk, he was, you know, out of college and
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a woman comes up to the microphone and gives us very, you know, emotional appeal and description.
44:34
But ultimately her point was, why did God make me a lesbian?
44:37
And so we're not going to get into to what Frank said.
44:40
But the answer is, is God did not make you a lesbian.
44:44
He made you in his image.
44:46
Now we all have propensities and we all have different flavors of sin or sense of sin.
44:52
You know, maybe we have a certain scent for the winter of sin or sent for like the summer
44:55
of sin.
44:56
Whatever you're into, but we all have our bent, but we get to choose whether or not we give
45:01
into it.
45:02
So I don't have a chemical bent.
45:04
So I can have one whiskey and be good and I have whiskey again for the rest of the month
45:08
and be fine, but I have friends that when they have one, it's seven, like, and it's,
45:13
it's one and then they just can't stop themselves.
45:15
The chemical has got them for me.
45:18
It's sexual, right?
45:19
So I know that if I crack the door back open to the world of porn, it's just going to be
45:23
a dilution.
45:24
It's going to be very, very hard for me to get out of that.
45:26
So I don't even, I don't even flirt with it.
45:29
So it's like no porn, no masturbation, not at all, not for any reason, not regard, regardless
45:33
of the circumstances.
45:35
But that's, that's the thing that becomes very problematic is when these people buy into
45:38
this idea that I am my proclivity, right?
45:41
So no, I am a lesbian.
45:43
No, you're, you have a proclivity towards same-sex attraction.
45:47
You get to choose whether or not you act on it because having same-sex attraction is
45:51
not a sin acting on your same-sex attraction and having sex with the same-sex partner,
45:57
that is sinful.
45:58
And so I think that that becomes deeply problematic is everybody wants a diagnosis, as I said
46:03
earlier, because then they get to be in some club, they get to join some Reddit board of
46:07
all these other people that struggle in the same way that they do.
46:10
And then you have the, I mean, there's a diagnosis part, okay, so in what's a prescription?
46:14
I mean, the prescription is Christ, it's His saving grace, but then there's a prescription
46:18
of sanctification.
46:19
Yeah.
46:20
It's a prescription of this, there is no more last time.
46:24
My last time was last time.
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Yeah.
46:26
I'm not doing this again.
46:28
And I think whenever people are in the throes of addiction and they're dealing with that,
46:33
so often it's, well, I'll do it just this one last time and that will be it.
46:40
And it's like, nope, that's cracking the door open.
46:43
It won't be your last time.
46:45
Whatever excuse you're making for yourself right now, you're going to make it again and
46:49
you're going to make it again and you're going to make it again.
46:52
When you talk to people who have actually had substance abuse, addictions and alcohol
46:57
addictions, you know, and I've shared the story of my cousin on here before.
47:02
When you talk to people who were dealing with that, I mean, it literally is, I have, I had
47:08
to get to a point.
47:09
It's rock bottom, but it's like, it's not just rock bottom.
47:12
It's I can't make this choice.
47:14
I no longer have the ability to make this choice because if I do, I'm going to die.
47:19
And I think in a way, and it is going to sound maybe a little bit twisted, but in a way,
47:25
I feel like they're so lucky because it's like literally my choice is death or to continue.
47:32
And when you're dealing with addictions where it's like, well, no, I'm not quite at that
47:36
point.
47:37
And I can just keep making these excuses and keep doing things over and over again, whatever
47:41
that sin may be, whatever the sinful choice you have, I mean, if you decide to let the
47:47
door open just a little bit, sin will rush through it.
47:52
Yeah.
47:53
Well, and I promise that that God is calling you in the middle of where you are in your
47:57
sin.
47:58
God's calling you.
47:59
And giving you an opportunity to leave the prison shackles free.
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Hey, all you got to do is get up, get your stuff and follow me and come on.
48:07
Yeah.
48:08
Well, even, yeah, I mean, I don't have anything to add to that.
48:12
That's fantastic.
48:13
I really like the points you were making there.
48:15
Let's go ahead and wrap up axed.
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Or go ahead.
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Yeah, I did.
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Please.
48:20
We get introduced to Mark.
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Nobody wants to talk.
48:22
We get introduced to Mark here.
48:24
Oh, so Mark, Mark is a Mark, kind of kind of an interesting thing here as as people
48:29
maybe get this.
48:30
Marky Mark.
48:31
It's, it's.
48:32
We can let everybody in on the inside joke.
48:35
You want to?
48:36
She'd be.
48:37
Okay.
48:38
Fair enough.
48:39
We'll leave it.
48:40
We'll leave it.
48:41
So, so, okay.
48:42
So Mark originally was assigned to Paul and was supposed to go on his ministry and it did
48:47
not work out.
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Didn't work.
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Basically Paul fired him.
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Personality conflict.
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Yeah.
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Personality conflict irreconcilable differences.
48:57
Whatever you want to call it, and he got sent home and he's, he went back home to live
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with his mom.
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So he's back home and he's made it.
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So he's, so he's back home.
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He's a millennial.
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That's right.
49:12
That's exactly right.
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He's a Gen X.
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Gen X.
49:15
And so, and then suddenly Peter comes in, Peter returns from prison and happens to go into
49:21
his mother's home and marks there and becomes Peter's aid and then writes Mark.
49:31
I guess what I'm saying is just understand that sometimes whenever things don't work
49:36
out the way that you want them to work out or the way that you thought they were going
49:39
to work out, understand that God may just have a different idea of what he's going to
49:44
do with you.
49:45
Well, it's what Ryan said earlier.
49:47
You know, I mean, the answered prayer scenario is it's either yes, no or wait, right?
49:50
It's like, we don't want to wait.
49:53
Like this society really doesn't want to wait, you know, and like my, my, my kids generation,
49:58
they don't even know what weight is, right?
50:01
I got a notification yesterday that my daughter door dashed a drink to dance to her dance
50:08
studio is a $12 Starbucks charge for a $6 drink and it's like, I have to like, we have to
50:15
talk about patience is waiting in my home, you know, but it's, it's, they don't want to
50:18
wait.
50:19
One thing that, that, that I saw in this was back in 15, it says, it struck me, you know,
50:24
they're having this prayer, this prayer group, right?
50:26
Yeah.
50:27
Right in this prayer group and they're praying for something very specific and, and Rhoda
50:33
comes back to the room where they're praying and she's like, Peter's, Peter's here.
50:38
Oh, yeah.
50:39
It's like the thing that they're praying for right happens right there.
50:43
And their responses, you're out of your mind.
50:45
Yeah.
50:46
You know, it's like, God, we wrote it from jail, Peter's at the door.
50:49
No, you're crazy.
50:50
Yeah.
50:51
Go to bed.
50:52
Pretty sure he's sleeping next to two guys.
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Yeah.
50:54
Yeah.
50:55
It's like, it's like in the midst of a miracle, they're like passing it off as a mistake.
50:59
Right.
51:00
Like, no, you know, and I'm like, I do that a lot.
51:04
You know what I mean?
51:05
Like, it's just like your attitudes, like you got to pray as though the thing you're
51:09
praying for is going to knock on your nose.
51:11
Well, that's the thing is like, you, you live in this world sometimes where you're like,
51:15
I'm just going to think about the worst possible situation and go with it.
51:19
So then I don't get let down when it does happen.
51:22
And so like, I feel like back then, like maybe that's how they thought they're like, oh,
51:27
that's never going to happen.
51:28
But like nowadays, like sometimes we're a little over the top.
51:31
We're like, oh, we didn't, we didn't get it.
51:32
We should have gotten it, but we didn't.
51:35
And so now we're going the other direction.
51:37
So it's like finding a good median balance on what in my prayer life, like, I don't want
51:42
to get my hopes up, but I also want to have my faith at the same time.
51:45
Yeah.
51:46
And they're just praying with some level of expectance because again, that that's several
51:49
verses in a row that that's all very funny, like that's like very, very easy, but even
51:54
going back to the point, Jake, that you were making about, Hey, some of them I happened.
51:58
So let's just spend a scenario.
51:59
You're working at Macy's and you're working at the scent counter and you know, maybe even
52:04
you've been taking too many samples home with you of the different clones and they fire
52:07
you.
52:08
And then it's like, you know what?
52:09
Someday you might end up on the forging table.
52:10
Right. So it's just like, that's how I'm just, I, I'm on the forging table.
52:15
I get reamed by a, for my Calvinism for about 45 minutes.
52:19
No, I decide, I decide in my prideful moment that I'm going to leave the forging table.
52:24
But then God's like, no, I'm bringing you right back into the thick of it.
52:27
They're going to give you a hard time about cologne for the next couple of episodes.
52:31
That's right.
52:32
Are you wearing something to that?
52:33
Like now?
52:34
He already asked.
52:35
Yes.
52:36
I'm gonna look close after this and I'm gonna, I'm gonna experience it.
52:40
You know, kiss me like Winkler try to.
52:42
Oh God.
52:43
Well, he can't.
52:44
What?
52:45
Yeah.
52:46
Yeah, that happened before we started recording guys.
52:48
It was awkward for everybody involved.
52:51
There was cuddling involved, but hey, we don't have to go there right now.
52:53
We do have polar bears.
52:54
Hey, that's okay.
52:55
No.
52:56
No.
52:57
Okay.
52:58
Let's get back to the Bible before it gets any worse acts 12 Winkler.
53:02
If you wouldn't mind being serious for five seconds and finished with 20 versus 25.
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Now Herod was angry with the people of Tyre and Satan and they came to him with one accord
53:13
and having persuaded blastus, the King's Chamberlain.
53:16
They asked for peace because their country depended on the king's country for food.
53:23
On an appointed day, Herod put on his royal robes, I'm sorry, horn, go on on an appointed
53:31
day, Herod put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne and delivered an oration
53:36
to them.
53:37
And the people were shouting the voice of a God, not of a man, immediately an angel of
53:41
the Lord struck him down because he did not give God the glory and he was eaten by worms
53:46
and breathed his last.
53:48
But the word of God increased and multiplied and Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem
53:53
when they had completed their service, bringing with them John, whose other name was Mark.
53:58
Are you guys going to be okay?
53:59
Are we going to have to separate you two?
54:01
All right, I'm so glad to hear that you guys have recovered.
54:04
Now, interesting thing about this.
54:06
So I tried to do a little bit of research to see what other places has said about the
54:10
death of Herod, a grip of the first.
54:12
And essentially there is consensus that he had some sort of intestinal worm.
54:17
The only thing I thought was weird, I don't know why it struck me as weird said, immediately
54:20
an angel of the Lord struck him down because he did not give God the glory and he was
54:24
eaten by worms and breathed his last.
54:26
And so it's like every description that I heard was that he suffered mightily for the
54:31
last week of his life from, yeah, five days, that's why I saw as well, from this intestinal
54:36
thing.
54:37
And so it's like, okay, did he immediately strike him down on the back end of the things
54:43
that were happening intentionally or something like that?
54:45
So again, I'm not like challenging the Bible and that's a problem striking him down me.
54:49
He may have fell hit the ground.
54:51
And so from what I read and in R.C. Sproul talked about it, he talked about what was written
54:57
here and then also what was written by Josephus and on the antiquities of the Jews, antiquities
55:03
of the Jews.
55:05
The Herod was like dressed like a frickin like Marvel star like he had like silver like like
55:12
sewn into his cave, like walking in like he's like, I don't know, like a rock star.
55:18
And then everybody was just glorifying him and glorifying him.
55:24
And then that's when he took and said, you know, he was like he was God and then he was
55:27
just struck down.
55:28
He just fell to the ground.
55:30
And that's what I think they mean by that.
55:31
But yeah, it was like five days.
55:33
Some people say it was arsenic poisoning could have been worms or could have been appendicitis.
55:39
They don't know.
55:40
Yeah, the, the dynamic here between when Cornelius meets Peter and bows down and he's a stand
55:52
up on the man, stand up on the man.
55:55
Here's Herod.
55:56
He's executed.
55:57
James.
55:58
He tried to imprison Peter.
55:59
He got he got away.
56:01
Herod shows up and he's in this silver clad robe that it's meant to make him look like a
56:06
God.
56:07
So royal robes here in Luke, Josephus actually goes into a lot of detail in terms of what
56:12
he was wearing and it was, I mean, he would have made a drag queen look conservative.
56:19
He looks like he was walking into a queen concert.
56:23
That's right.
56:24
And so he's, he's, I mean, he is dressed to the hilt.
56:27
He's gotten this robe that he had on was like, had so much silver on it that when the light
56:31
hit it, it like was so bright.
56:35
And so they start basically talking about him like he's a God and he does not stop it.
56:42
And that's it.
56:44
Where's it?
56:45
Yeah.
56:46
And my favorite part about it is he dies.
56:48
And then it goes, but the word of God increased and multiplied like boom, like this dude just
56:54
gets dropped.
56:55
And it's like, and the word of God just multiplied.
56:57
Yeah.
56:58
And he isn't stop it.
56:59
He is a footnote.
57:00
This is a guy that was worshiping at the altar of self and high on his own farts.
57:03
And he's like just a footnote and and importantly, hunting down Christians and trying to kill
57:09
the Christian leadership.
57:10
Right.
57:11
It didn't matter.
57:12
Guys, anything else?
57:13
Well, anything else on acts 12, I feel the need to do this, but I'm not just going to
57:18
do it by, you know, by fiat here, because this is the last time Winkler is going to be here.
57:24
I feel like we just need to do a quick round of trivia to see, you know, maybe just first
57:28
to two, first to two to see.
57:31
Let's do first to three. I want to redeem us. Okay. Are we in? Are we all in? I'm in.
57:36
Kyle did I just get kicked off the forge? No. I'm like, what happened? All right. Well,
57:42
I don't have, I don't have the thing. So they best way to do this is I'm going to write
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down a number between one and one hundred. And so whoever's closest to that number, you
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get to go first. So I am not going to be included in this. Okay. I've written down the number
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J. Give me your guess. 52 horn, 73, 73, 51, the nicely done, but it was 77. So horn, you
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are first. This is fantastic. That means he gets to go last. Okay. So scouts on or scouts
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on or look right here at laugh, gaff, generate quiz, generate quiz, new quiz, internets
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back.
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The first question, Ryan Horn, what is the first element of the periodic table? You got
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this, you know this, you got it. Come on, baby, it's aluminum, hydrogen hydrogen hydrogen.
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All right. Well, this is not, this is not a great start. All right. Uh, they get wrapped
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superstar. Andre Young is better known by what name? Oh, yeah, Dr. Dre. Yes, sir. You're
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in Dr. Dre. D. R. E. Mine is what is the name of the spaceship and the movie alien? No,
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I did never saw it. We'll say Kapukas. All right. It's the Nostromo, the Nostromo. I
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thought it was. All right. Here we go. What is the name of the snowman's dog in the movie
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smoking the bandit? Oh my gosh. That's for you, Winkler. Lyle. No, no, no. Can I guess you
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can guess you're not going to get it, but it's flash. It's Fred Fred. Oh, it is Fred. All
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right. Horn back. Well, you know, we only got one guy on the board's digging. All right.
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First impressions was the original title of which book. First impressions. Yeah. Revelation.
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Judges. First impressions was the title of which book. Great expectations. Pride and
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prejudice by Jane Austen. All right. Dagan Boyd, which Italian city was explore Marco
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Polo from? Oh, shoot. Japa Marco Polo was from was he from Florence? Venice. He was from
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Venice. All right. Kyle in which European city did Jim Morrison die? The doors there.
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Which European city? I'll say Paris. Paris. I did just say it. Ready to go. I have not
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given up. Oh, I would two seconds into my guessing. And then you're like, you just say
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it. So I'll take it. So all right, Winkler to pull into a three way tie with me and Dagan
1:00:27
in Greek mythology of which island was a Minos king. Crete. Crete. Winkler is on the board
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horn still goose egg, Dagan and Kyle with one apiece. Horn. We need you on the board here.
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Which scientist first formulated the three laws of motion? Newton. Yes, or Isaac Newton,
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you're on the board. Everybody's tied at one. Dagan, what is the collective noun for a group
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of rhinoceros? Do not say I'm going to call them a. Bevy. Packeter. It's a crash. A crash.
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Hey, that's pretty frickin awesome. I did not know that. Okay. Mine is what currency
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was used in France before the Euro. I'm gonna say the frunk. Bam. All right. I've got two.
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I'm one away from winning Winkler. You got to stay on pace here. Who was the youngest
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king of England? The youngest king of England. Yes, sir. It's one of the Lancaster. I'm gonna
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go Henry the sixth need a final answer here. And read the sixth. Yeah, you got it. I wish
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you had said Henry the fifth dad. Come it. That's why I asked you final answer. I was
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hoping you would change your mind. All right. Winkler and I are tied at two horn and Dagan
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tied at one. Here we go. Next round. Ryan, who wrote the Tarzan series of books?
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We are Kipling. Not a bad guess. Maybe Edgar Rice burrows. Oh, yeah. I don't even know
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who that guy is. I didn't even know Tarzan was a book. All right. Dagan and the 1964
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Good Friday earthquake occurred in what U.S. state. California. Alaska. Wow. Wow. All
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me with a chance to win. You all could see the smile. Oh my gosh. Thompson's face right
1:02:49
now. It wasn't a man. He smells victory. He smells victory. The funny thing about it is
1:02:54
I just read it just now. And I'm like, I think I know it, but I'm not exactly sure. So it's
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what is the tallest mountain in Africa? I know. Say Kilimanjaro. That's it. That's it.
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Do you believe in miracles? We have a new champion at the top of trivia mountain. Kyle
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prays for this. Who wants to touch me? Anybody want to touch me? Hey, do we need to worry
1:03:17
about silver medals or is it just we just worry about gold right now? See the way I look
1:03:21
at it. It's two out of three. Oh, you're you're currently up to the one. If we're playing
1:03:27
a world. If we're playing a series here, okay, bet. So throughout the year, we will finish
1:03:33
this world series. You got up to, but now we've got home field advantage. I am now back
1:03:39
in the board. I'm back in this series. Well, guys, thank you so much for your dedication
1:03:43
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