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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right guys, welcome back to the forging table, the mission of Undaunted Life is equipping
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men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual and mental and physical resilience.
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So at the forging table, you'll see a group of regular guys forging spiritual resilience
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by digging into God's word.
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And we're welcoming all of you to come along on that journey with us.
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That's Matt.
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That's Zach.
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That's Derek guys.
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We are going to be digging into first Timothy six.
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We are wrapping up this letter from Timothy to or from Paul to his pupil Timothy.
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And as with every single one of these chapters, I feel like there's so much here, there's
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so much that we're going to have to leave unset and unspoken about, but I feel like it's
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straight up fire from the very, very beginning.
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And I just want to read the first five verses of this.
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And I mean, we could camp out here the entire time, but man, there's still some some great
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stuff.
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And then there's, you know, to foreshadow, there's the most misquoted scripture and all
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of scripture also in first Timothy six.
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So we're going to get there.
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But let me read the first five verses here.
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Such an urge these things, if anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with
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the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings that accords with godliness,
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he has puffed up with conceit and understanding nothing.
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He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce
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envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions and constant friction on people who are depraved
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in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
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Who we woo, like that is ma'am, that is scorched earth stuff right there.
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But I'll let y'all talk about anything there because there's so much there, just in five
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verses, but right there, right about in the middle and verse four for quarrels about words.
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So when we looked at, I think we were talking about this, I don't know, maybe it was on
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chapter four, chapter five of first Timothy, we were talking about people that were looking
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at individual words, and I just got to be honest with you.
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If you come out in 2023 and say that you have found a new meaning to a word that we've all
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agreed upon the meaning of that word for thousands of years, I don't believe you.
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Okay.
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So that is my default mechanism is I don't believe you and your bull crap and your incredibly
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loose liberal description of what that word means, because when people do this with the
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Bible, people that are typically deconstructing, they'll deconstruct, they'll find a word or
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two that don't actually mean what we thought it meant for all these years.
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And isn't it interesting?
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They always land on the liberal side of the leisure on the left side of the ledger.
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They don't look at a word and become more conservative and more traditional in their
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understanding of a particular word or something like that.
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It all leans to a worldview that is downstream from postmodernism, Marxism, communism, critical
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theory, whatever your ism is that you're that you're into.
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But right there, when we talk about the the quarrels about words and then right when you
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go down into verse five, that these people are deprived of the truth.
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Like it's these people, it's like these people don't know that they've been deceived, but
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now they will die on the hill of whatever new ideology and philosophy that they've made
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up for themselves.
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So just fire from the beginning right here.
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Oh, man.
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I think again, I think Paul speaking to just the nature of these, these people, these types
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of people get a foothold in body of Christ, because I think we're just naturally looking
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for that next thing.
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Like what is it that, Oh my gosh, this guy has something.
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He's got a new revelation.
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He's got something new and shiny and like we're, I think we're, we're just, we're just wired
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that way to like look for that in like, like we're talking about a few episodes ago, like
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we're, we're designed to worship some, it's either God or something else.
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And that, that new shiny thing, like offers us some like adrenaline, I guess, for lack
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of a better word, like, yeah, we're always looking for that new shiny thing.
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I absolutely agree, Matt.
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So, um, that section, we talked about this earlier in first Timothy is this is evidence
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of a larger spiritual battle that's going on, right?
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100%.
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And that is we have a real spiritual enemy who wants to steal, kill and destroy.
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He wants to pull us away from the truth of the gospel.
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And he uses false truths or fractional false truths to, to pull people away from the real
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truth, and then they have, and, and that reminded me, right?
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They're always puffed up with conceit because that, that's, I, I put new understanding instead
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of new revelation, Matt, in my notes, um, but it's the same thing.
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We talked about it.
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If you go back and listen to our Galatians conversation, it's the same thing in Galatians.
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It is a, if people come to you with a new gospel that's different than the old way, a
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new understanding, a new revelation, it's, um, it's because they are puffed up with conceit
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and they are selling a lie because they see, well, I'm the only one, I have this proprietary
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knowledge that God revealed to me.
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Therefore I can gain something out of this, whether it's, um, popularity, whether it's
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influence, whether it's access.
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I have a new revelation and understanding feels has, I'm going to trade market.
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I'm going to, um, and then I'm going to use it for my own personal gain.
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Yeah, I, you know, bringing it to a personal level, especially when we talk about, uh, newer
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Christians and having patience and seeing how they develop, I can say, uh, thank goodness
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that my family had a lot of patience because early on you get exposed to things and you
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start to develop these really aggressive opinions as you're processing these things.
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And that comes out in conversations at home and you find yourself quickly going from the
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territory of trying to understand something to trying to convince somebody against their
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will that they should be doing something very quickly.
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And I found myself in that place a few times and it doesn't feel right.
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And it feels like we're, we're getting into, you know, almost like a, a devilish territory.
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I think we have to put that in perspective.
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One thing we see here as well when it's talked, talks about, you know, deprived of the truth
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and we end verse five with imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
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I couldn't help but think about people that are Christian influencers, um, that are, you
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know, very Christian on Instagram and they're traveling around the speed and the thing is
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is like people would put me in that same category.
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They'll put me, Oh, you're in the Christian influencer category, but it's these people
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that have a lot of flash and they know what buds, buzzwords to say, like on TikTok or,
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you know, what other social media platforms or something like that.
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But there's nothing there.
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Like it's just this vapid, like nonsensical approach. It's kind of like this new age thing
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where you say Jesus every now and then, or you wear a shirt that has Yahweh misspelled
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and it's just like, Oh, like that's somehow going to like make everybody think you have
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your, you know, your Christian bonafide squared away, but it just even goes back to verse three.
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If anyone teaches a different doctrine again, it can be a different doctrine when it's incomplete.
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And I think Derek, what you were saying about like things that have a little bit of truth
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in them so you can sneak in the rest of the lights, the Trojan horse of particular things
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in theology.
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And so you have these people have these enormous platforms, so a ton of books, and they say
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nothing. They say nothing. And they don't actually bring people closer to a true intangible
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gospel. It's to something that they just kind of made up.
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Well, one of the things you said, like a different doctrine, but Paul also is he specific in
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his words here. He doesn't just say that don't agree with the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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He says the sound words. And so I could say words that Jesus said, which we see all the
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time, you see people saying what Jesus said this or Jesus said that, but if you compare
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it to the sound words that Jesus said, you're got a lot more scrutiny to live up to than
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just saying what Jesus said, because if you only give a half truth, you're still given
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a lie. And I think that's, that to me was one of the biggest words that stuck out. There
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was a different doctrine and then sound words of Christ.
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So I think it's a watch out, right? It is, it's a watch out, and it's a challenge to
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us as believers to test the teaching of, of those that we sit under against God's word.
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Test it back to the word, test it back to the Bible and see what's real.
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And how do we do that? Well, you have to know it that you have to read it. Yeah, exactly.
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I mean, you got to spend time in it. Yeah. You can't just accept everything. Zach, you said
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something that as a new believer, you'd get on something and then it turns into a quick
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conviction, right? And I think it is we, we push or we sell something that changed us.
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Oh man, I got an electric car. You need one and you need one and you need one. And so
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it's something that maybe we feel changed or we're excited about and then we start pushing
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it on and on and on and that's where it begins to change.
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And then last thing here is I think one of the things that we can use to test it, Matt,
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is this says, imagine that godliness is a means of great gain when godliness with contentment
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is a great gain. So it's not a means to an end. It is the end because he says in verse
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seven, we brought nothing into the world and we cannot take anything out of it. Yeah.
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So therefore, if you're using the gospel as a leverage to get you something else, yeah,
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that's not, that's not the right method or goal or approach. Right. It's such a, it's
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such a neat transition when you go from understanding what something is saying to actually trying
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to do it. All right. So if you're sitting in front of somebody is somebody new to this,
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you say, we should be loving each other, you know, you say in that tone and then you think
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about, well, how am I going to do this? And what that becomes eventually is you're not
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talking about it, challenging yourself and you're actually doing it. And then the fruit
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of all of this comes out. That's been one of the biggest transitions for me.
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Well, just what you said right there, I think can go can speak to the unsound word of, of
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people trying to talk Jesus. And when Jesus says love everybody, everybody has their own
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definition of that. Nobody wants to use God's definition of love. Well, Jesus, you're just
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a, you're a, you're a weird hypocritical Christian. Jesus just told us to love everybody. I
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grew with that. I grew with that wholeheartedly. But I believe that love means something different
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than what you, not you Derek, but like what, you know, someone would say to a Christian,
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well, Jesus just said, love everybody, right? And we just love everybody. Love is love.
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Well, God is very specific in how he defines love of rebukes and reproofs. God's word
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is love. And the word of God reproves and rebukes and teaches. And like, we don't get
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to define or put a new definition on what love is. And that that's just a perfect example
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of what Paul's talking about here.
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Well, it's interesting with kind of how you worded that as well as it's like societally
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people will look at a Christian and they'll say, well, aren't you supposed to love everybody?
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It's because we're so marinated in a Judeo Christian ethic that even people that are non-Christians
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that don't read the book know enough about the nature and heart of God to where they can
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incorrectly try to rebuke you and how you're acting like a Christian. But then the problem
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is is we get people in modern Christianity that are in churches that are going to what
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any kind of church could be a secret sensitive church. It could be an old school church.
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And they've created this pseudo gospel of love as if love is the ultimate ethic. No,
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it's God's glory actually is the ultimate ethic. God is love. But and I guess you could
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say he is more love than he is wrath. That's why he gave us a pathway to him. But again,
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I think we get these people that they don't want to reckon with anything that's dark or
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dirty or grimy because then they will finally realize that they're included in that category
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that they are dark, they are grimy, they're dirty, like they're they're not able to be
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saved. And yet that that cheapens the gospel. I don't know if it was Augustine or Bonhoeffer.
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They were talking about cheap grace. Yeah, so it's cheap. Yeah, it's cheap grace. It's
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like, again, I know we we harp on this a lot, but it's like, if you don't understand the
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full level of your own depravity, if you look at other people like, well, I've never murdered
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anybody and you look at murderers and it's like, well, you're implying two things when
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you say that that you're somehow better than that person and then that person's unsavable.
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And it's just like neither one of those things are true when you look at it because, you know,
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God sees the top of the cup that's filled with sin. He doesn't see it from the side.
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Like he sees binary, center, non-center, safe, not safe. Like, ever by the blood of my son
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or not. But, you know, in society, we love to compare people's cups from the side to see
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who has more sin or who has less sin. Well, speaking of cheap grace, I think Bonhoeffer's
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point was your, your attendance in church does not satisfy the just bill that you have to
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pay for your sins. And you can't walk to heaven and say, here's my church membership card.
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I got it. I got baptized when I was an infant. Do I get in now? Is God, God looks at that
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and goes, no, no. And I think that's Bonhoeffer's talking about cheap grace and that, like,
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that's where, that's where like the opposite of that is obviously legalism. And then, but
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cheap grace is basically anti-nomianism where it's, I, I have been saved so I don't have
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to follow the law. And that's, that's a reaction to this legalistic. I've got to do everything
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my works get me in to heaven. But then when we, when we come to a place of cheap grace
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or I don't have to do anything, we become even more legalistic in that approach because
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that's the hill that we're willing to die on of. I'm so legalistic in the fact that
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I don't have to do anything that I become more legalistic than the legalistic person
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that I'm, that did make it. I just, I just went, I just went.
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We all totally followed you, man. Yeah. Yeah. Clear. Call to your point though. Okay. So
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if, if that person comes and says, well, God's love, so you have to love me, right? It goes
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back to, you've talked in several of these chapters about being prepared, being prepared.
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And that is physically prepared. That is spiritually and mentally prepared. And that person in an
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odd way, right, has is more prepared to justify their own actions than most of the Christians
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that we know to properly rebuke something or someone in their actions. Because if I'm
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doing something and I want to justify it, I'll, I'll mentally justify it and I'll find
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a way to justify it and construct an argument for it so that if anybody comes towards me
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at all, I have a pre-prepared argument for it. But the opposite is not necessarily true.
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We do not purposefully, and I think that in some ways we should be so, I guess, aware
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and knowledgeable and so familiar with God's word so that if we were to run into that instant,
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we know exactly what we're going to do, what we're going to say, what it's based on, how
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this goes back to, at the church, you, you prepared a message about how to overcome the
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top 20 pro-abortion arguments, right? Because people who are pro-abortion have a tendency
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to prepare and justify their behavior a lot more than people who are pro-life and anti-abortion
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are to prepare to rebuke somebody who is pro-abortion.
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Yeah. And when you gave me credit for two extras, it was only 18. Oh, sorry. But, but the thing
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about it is, is you're exactly right, that people, people think, oh, I can just say I'm
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a Christian or pull out my, I'm a Christian card and then I won't have to argue. It's
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like, sorry, society doesn't accept that. So again, these people that don't think you
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should push back darkness and culture, it's like, again, you're going against the dictates
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of some of the greatest giants of faith and the things that they push back in culture.
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So again, I have my problems with Martin Luther King, Jr's theology, but he used the Bible
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in the Judeo-Christian ethic as his basis for why black people in America should be treated
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just the same as everybody else, including white people, you know, Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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pushing back against the Nazi so far as to be part of a, you know, as of a coup attempt
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or trying to kill Hitler, you've got William Wilberforce using the Bible. Like that was
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a guy that could have been Prime Minister of England. He could have been the ruler of
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that entire country, but instead he decided basically to die penniless because he was
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going to chase down this idea that, hey, all men are created equal in the eyes of God again.
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He wouldn't have worded it that way. They don't have a constitution written down on paper.
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Stupid English fools, but like, but like one. Yeah, sorry, sorry guys, but the, but that's
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the thing is like those people think that we can't push back darkness and specifically
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do that as Christians. And then that leads to a level of unpreparedness. But when you're
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unprepared, when you take, you know, a knife to a gunfight, you will lose 100% of the time.
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And so that's again, why we try to do with Undone's life, equipping men to push back
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darkness, because they're going to be opportunities for you to be able to push back darkness.
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But if you don't have the knowledge, if you don't have the know how, if you haven't practiced,
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well, the people on the other side, they've been practicing their antithetical, anti moral,
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anti God sentiments for a long time and they're good at it. And they're good with words and
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everything else. Well, even like you're talking about giants of the faith, even Jesus said,
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like, if we're talking about the sound word of words of Jesus, the doctrine of Jesus in
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Matthew 28, he says, all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me, harking back
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to Psalm two, ask and I will give the nations to you, I will put them under your feet. Do
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you think you forgot to ask? No. Yeah. And so he's giving us this mandate. I have been
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given authority. So take my authority that I am giving to you and go win, go win souls
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to the kingdom. You think that doesn't include culture? Yeah, when the other thing is people,
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they will constantly point out that, you know, Jesus never really rebuked the culture that
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he lived in. He was rebuking the religious elites. It's like moron. Who were who was
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the leaders of the culture in his day? It was a Sadducees, the Pharisees and the Jewish
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Sainthedrin. Like those were the people. Yes, they was a Roman culture, but the Romans gave
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power to the Jewish people so that they wouldn't have conflict, which was part of the reason why
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they were even involved in the crucifixion of Jesus to begin with, because they had given
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a little bit of power, but the Jews themselves did not have the power to take life. And so
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they, you know, the Romans killed Jesus at the behest of the Jewish Sanhedrin. And so it's like,
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again, we twist ourselves up into pretzels to make sure that we can be cowards. And so it's like,
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I'm going to read the Bible to where I can challenge myself the least in terms of what life looks
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like right now. You're absolutely right. And Kyle, I think you and I had a conversation about it,
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right, is typically what if you look into somebody's life who twists themselves up into a pretzel so
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that they can base what they're, they can justify their own behavior on the Bible. It's often because
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they don't want to think, they don't want to pray, they don't want to look all the way down the road,
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because if they go all the way to the very end, then they are faced with a decision. And decision
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one is, okay, Jesus is right. And he's true. And if I accept that, that's going to take
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behavior modification change or difficult situations and difficult conversations in my life,
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or not, I'm going to deny him, which means if he is real and true, then I have condemned myself
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to a life of hell by rejecting him, right? How do you, how do you package that in a way that's
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going to be effective? So one thing I'd say, and this is some stuff that I've been exposed to,
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if you're an negotiating standpoint, for instance, it's been shown like the FBI, for instance, has
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learned that you can't go with pure logic. You can't just hit somebody with an opinion that's hitting
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you back. That's pretty much what's happening in social media and most exchanges. So that person
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needs to feel understood and connected to. I think our first job is to listen,
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let them explain their position, and then ask how and what questions until we can get to a position.
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I think that's a great point. I think one of the books on Kyle's 100 or the Undaunted
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Life's 100 books is Greg Coco's tactics. And Jesus is obviously great at asking questions and
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letting people unpack their own beliefs. But I think that's important for us.
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Remember, we can't go into someone's house who's an unbeliever and start hammering all their
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sin down. I think poster boards and signs work really well as well. Yeah, but I'm standing outside
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and yelling. Yeah. I think to your point, like asking questions, like we're sewers, not harvesters,
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and we don't get the glory. God is the harvester of souls. We're the ones that he uses to sew the
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fields. And we do that by asking good questions and helping people understand like, I have to
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understand that I'm a sinner. Derek can't tell me I'm a sinner. He can, but I'm ultimately the
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one that has to know I am a sinner on my best day. I am filthy rags with a holy and just God.
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Well, and you need to you need to cause reflection in people. And you typically don't cause reflection
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in people by barking at them and by yelling at them and by telling them how their logic is faulty,
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which is why in this is cumbersome to do it this way. But in my how to, you know, defeat the top 18
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pro abortion arguments and whenever I do that, that speech live at churches, I'm teaching them
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what questions to ask back. So when someone says my body, my choice, it's not here are the facts.
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It's here are the questions to ask back when someone says, what if she's raped? What if it's
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incest? You know, you only care about the baby before they're born? What about my body, my choice?
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When they say these things, a lot of these things are slogans. They are stiff arms,
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and they're going to sit farm you here and then they're going to move the goalposts and then they're
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going to sit farm you over there and then they're going to move the goalposts again. But the only
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way you can get somebody to reflect on their positions where you ask them a either a clarifying
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question or a direct question that causes them to look at the foundations of their own argument.
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So someone says my body, my choice, you know, you could ask something along the lines is,
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as are you aware that the the human being inside the womb is a separate being than the mother that
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it's a separate body, different DNA, different organs, different blood, like you're asking questions
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and you're shining a light on their worldview. And you're challenging them in that moment to be
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intellectually honest. And that's as far as you can go. You can't force them to be intellectually
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honest. What was this episode or last episode where it's like, you can't have someone read the
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Bible for you, you can have someone pray for you and like have that all of the osmosis. Like,
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I can't exercise for your benefit. Like, but that's kind of the same thing here is it's just like,
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you ask questions to get them to reflect on their position. And then you let true
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speak for itself, because we don't get to all have our own truth, because people have tried to
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destroy capital T truth, right? And if you have no capital T truth, everyone has their own facts.
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But in reality, there is only capital T truth that is undergirded by facts that are apparent
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and should be apparent to anybody that's again, being intellectually honest.
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Well, was it you who mentioned this or was it somebody else I was listening, I'll give you credit
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is at the beginning of our at the beginning of a real conversation. It is the question,
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hey, if I present you, are you willing to change your perspective? If I present you with truth,
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and you actually look at, are you willing to change your perspective? Yeah, if you're wrong,
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would you want to know it? That's something that comes for sure. Yeah, right. Yeah, Frank,
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Frank, if I could prove to you that Christianity was true, would you become a Christian? Right.
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He also says it's just one beggar leading another beggar to the truth. And he also says that Jesus
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was political because he was dealing with political leads, which were essentially Pharisees.
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I think the key that one slight tweak I'd recommend is when you're dealing with somebody.
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Don't ask a question that gives them the ability to say yes or no, right. Ask them a how
24:34
or what question because they intimate they have it's like a judo move. They have to think and engage
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because they cannot give you a quick response. Well, another thing is if if they give their
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response a great statement to keep things going is tell me more about that. And so like that's not
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a question. You've already asked a question. The question has established itself, but you have
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not been satisfied by their answer. And as opposed to saying, I'm not satisfied by your answer,
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you say, tell me more about that. And then you're you're asking clarifying questions.
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And then when you get into clarifying questions, you can start getting into different arguments
25:06
and different sides of the same topic. But again, in all these scenarios, we're basically describing
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scenario where you're in a dyadic communication with somebody because sometimes people will be
25:15
very critical in my show. They're like, well, you're just so a matter of fact about these things. I
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was like, well, it's not a conversation. It's me hitting a record and talking by myself. And
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how boring would it be if I hit record and for an hour not give an opinion? Like, do you listen to
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me because you just want to hear me wax poetic about just random things? And I don't end up somewhere
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like, I'm going to give you a defined opinion that's been well thought out and well researched.
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And it's just my opinion, you can accept it or reject it or you can move on and kind of go from
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there. But at the end of the day, like, it is what it is. You have to either accept or reject it.
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Yeah. And if you're able to summarize that person's position, because you've
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actually listened, you've shut the conversation down in your brain, you've listened to what they
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said, you've summarized it form and you've stated it back to him. At that point, that person is
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probably willing to be influenced by your opinions.
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Zach, do you think any of this would work on our wives? Careful. Careful.
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No comment. Oh, man. Okay. Well, you have to comment. You're the one that brought it up.
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Oh, I'm asking. I'm wondering. I'm looking for help here. You're not going to just throw that
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out at us and get us in trouble and pretend like you're hovering over this table. You answer it.
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Never. I would never use this to actually change my wife's mind. She has great. Tell me more.
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Yeah. Tell me more, babe. Tell me more about how comfortable it is sleeping on your couch at your
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house. One thing I did want to talk about in this first section, I would have spent a whole
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lot of time here because I think by now, most of us have kind of noticed this, but starting in verse
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nine, but those who desire to be rich fall into temptation into a snare, into many senseless and
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harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction for money is the root of all kinds
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of evil. Whoops. That's not exactly what it says. What it actually says is for the love of money
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is the root of all kinds of evil. So I want to address this and talk about this a little bit
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and know we're not about to get into prosperity gospel and or any of those types of things.
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But there's the prosperity mindset, but then there's also the poverty mindset within Christendom,
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where if you are a Christian and you have any means whatsoever,
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it's almost this communist, socialistic mindset to where it's like, you must have taken advantage
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of somebody to get that. So you've got it. It's ill gotten game. You know, it's fruit of the poisonous
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tree or something like that. And so I like to to go back here as a reminder that it's the love of
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money or the worship or money or the creation of the idol of money. That is the root of all kinds
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of evil. It's not the root of all evil. It's all kinds of evil in which is to say that there are a
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lot of different versions of evil that come specifically off of the idolizing of money.
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And one thing that I want to say and then I want to just get y'all's brand and thoughts on this
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is Christians need to stop expecting Christians to be poor. And again, I'm not getting into the
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prosperity side of things, but you know, I've talked to different Christian business owners
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that sell their products and people will be like, well, you're a Christian. You should just give
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it away. And I'm like, you know what? You should tell that person. You should say, I don't think
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you should be paid to do your job either. And so people here, well, like with our show, when we
28:07
ask for donations are like, well, why don't you just give this away for free? Why do we have to
28:11
give you money? It's like, well, number one, you don't have to give me money. You're listening to
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me for free already a very, very, very, very small percentage of the people that listen to our show
28:19
give any money to undaunted life. And that's fine. You know, we're going to be doing things in the
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future to provide even more value that'll, you know, potentially be behind a paywall and all
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things like that. That people get very, very nervous when pastors make money, when anybody
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makes money and does it above board. Like there are people that can take advantage of other people
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to make money and there are people that will steal from the church ministry coffers to, you know,
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you know, build a bigger house or get a better Bentley or something like that. And that's not
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what we're talking about. But I just, I'm so over this mindset about Christians that, you know,
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every time you build an organization, it has to be a nonprofit because that's what Jesus would do.
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It's like, well, you know, we have examples from scripture of Jesus talking about people that are
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investing their money and being a good steward and all those different things. And I just don't
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think it's almost like we're intimidated by money because we read this wrong. We read this for money
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is the root of all evil. Like, no, no, no, it's your mindset about money and how you approach it.
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Well, desire, desire is a very strong word there too. Like I'm a greedy, I desire money. Like what,
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what is what does God say about desire? Like if you like, God should be the desire of your heart,
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like, and if money is the desire that then that becomes an idol. I mean, the early church had
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a lot of patrons who funded church houses, like they had that church in houses who they were fully
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funded by business owners. And you know, the, so the church didn't pay for anything. But these,
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these, you can't make an argument that those wealthy people were not of the body of Christ
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just because they had money. And yeah, I agree with you there. I think, I think there is a line,
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though, and that's, that's the, there's, it's not a line. It's gray, because there's like,
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there's pastors who make money clearly taking advantage of, of some things, and they're not making
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money on the up and up. And it's like, you could, you could point to what versus it talks about,
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as a means of games, so verse five, when it talks about imagining that godliness is a means of gain,
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like they're clearly pastors out there. But yeah, Christian shouldn't just be poor because we're
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Christians. I agree. Okay, I've got three, three thoughts on this. Okay. So Kyle, I'm glad you
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stopped here. Okay. Number one, desire to be rich. I think this is why when, when we harken
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back to 1 Timothy 3, and there are the qualifications for the overseers, it is, do not assign a lover
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of money as an overseer, right? So one, I think Paul's tying everything together. He's the master
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of run-on sentences and the master of hamburger messages, right? Yeah, first and back. Okay. Number
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two, if we jump forward in the same passage, those who desire to be rich for the love of money is all,
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is a root of all kinds of evils. But verse 17, as for the rich in this present age, charge them not
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to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches. But on God who richly provides
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with us to everything to enjoy 18, they are to do good, be rich in good works, to be generous and
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ready to share. He does not rebuke a rich person there. In fact, this is leadership to say this is
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how you encourage a rich person to also do good, also be rich in good works and be generous and ready
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to share. I had a conversation at coffee this week with a guy who he comes from what could be
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what could be interpreted as a very wealthy family. He carries the family name and he says,
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I thought so many times in my life to change my name because when people see me, they automatically
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think that I was born on third base. When in all actuality, I was born in the dugout and I hit a
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triple. So like, there is this perception of he's like, I'm not trying to desire to be rich,
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it just God blesses me. Number three, sometimes when you run a business, Kyle,
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the fruit of that business is money, right? But it's the purpose of that fruit that really designs
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and drives what you do. Because I work with a lot of very efficient and effective and
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great business owners who understand, hey, look, the fruit of the business that I run is money,
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and here's what I do with that fruit. I serve my employees, I give away 30% of our gross revenue,
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I make people better, I give, I serve, like this is what they do. So what it does is it drives them
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to actually run a better business so they can make more money so that they can give away more.
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They're not trying to do it all to build a bigger house or drive a nicer car, but they want to
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make a better business so they can make more money and actually give and serve more. And I think in
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a way at times, if somebody is a good steward of what God has given them, and they steward something
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small and God grows it and grows it and they continue to be a faithful steward, well, if they're
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pushing back darkness with everything that's under their little K kingdom, wouldn't God bless
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that to continue to grow their kingdom? Because ultimately he's growing his capital K kingdom
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through them. Well, I mean, what's the, what's the one with the talents, right? Where he essentially
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just gives more to the one who's producing the most. I'm sure you could take that all different
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directions, but at face value, I think it implies that God expects for us to be efficient with
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what we're given. Right. I think for the kingdom to advance you need to have people that can demonstrate
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this ability to create resources for the kingdom in the face of this perception of what it means
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to be wealthy. Think about Jordan Peterson, he made a comment recently about people think that
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they want $10 million or $50 million. And he goes, really? Do you know what that means? Do you know
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what would have to contend with with everybody coming at you and all the pressures and all the
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baggage that comes with that people in that position have lots to deal with. And I think they're putting
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that in that position for a reason. And it's not to be villainized. It's needed, but it has to be done
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right. When I think it's, it's a base level skepticism of people with money to begin with that I think
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is kind of a knee jerk thing to people because like, I didn't grow up in a family with a lot of
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money. Like we had everything we needed and we had a lot of things that we wanted, but we certainly
34:20
were not wealthy. And so when you would see wealthy people, there was a longing for some of the things
34:24
that they had. But then did you get older? And as you see how hard it is to make money, you're like,
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they had to have done something different because I'm working hard and I have this much. And I don't
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even think they're working very hard and look at what they're doing. But again, we all we always
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love to focus on our scorecard. And we compare our scorecard to everybody else. And it's like,
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when you're looking at somebody, you're not looking at the back of their baseball card,
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okay, you're not looking at their statistics, you're not looking at any of those types of things.
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But we will piecemeal together a viewpoint of a person or a family or a family name or a company
34:53
based on the things that they have, whether that be the clothes that they're wearing, the car that
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they're driving, the house, the office, the bonus structure that they give, like a huge oil and gas
35:03
company here, like their bonuses that they gave out to their employees went viral because and again,
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they're already evil because they're oil and gas, right? And it like went viral. And it's like,
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they're there people saying that this company is bad because they're caring for their employees,
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they're taking from their excess and multiplying that out to people evenly, which I don't really
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agree with, but evenly distributing their gains to other people, which is directly blessing these
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people. It's helping them do any number of things, get out of debt, give money away somebody else.
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It didn't bless me. That's the problem, right? That's the problem.
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What's that old saying we judge our intentions, we judge our actions by our intention, we judge
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others actions by the outcome? And I think we look at ourselves as a very gray, there's a lot of gray
35:47
area, but then when we look outward, it's black or white. So if a pastor makes a bunch of money,
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you obviously did say if somebody makes a lot of money, they obviously did something wrong.
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So we put it into two distinct categories where, yeah, there's a lot of gray out there.
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And Matt, we're like monkeys because it's like, preachers and sneakers blew up and had this big
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Instagram account. They would constantly post pictures of these pastors wearing these sneakers,
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and then it would show a picture of the sneakers and how much they cost and all these types of
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things like that. And again, there were a lot of people that are wearing $2,000 Gucci belts and
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wearing this and wearing that, but they love to point at those people wearing the rare Jordans,
36:21
but they're not pointing at their pastor at their church. That is wearing $900 custom made Italian
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dress shoes and a $2,000 tailored suit and all that. So technically it's worth less, but it's,
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it's more normal because it's brown dress shoes and a well-fitting suit and that type of thing.
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But it does affect people like me. Like I have a pair of Jordan threes of all the
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Jordans I've ever been made. That's my favorite. It took me about 30 years to pull the trigger on
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buying them for myself as a gift to myself, but I'm hesitant to wear them, especially if I'm speaking
36:54
somewhere because I don't want to end up on preachers and sneakers Instagram and somebody to think,
36:57
like, Oh, that's what he's doing with all the donation money. It's like, before we took a dime,
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before we took a dime in donations, why I bought that for myself and my wife was literally like,
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Kyle, if I have to hear you talk about another year went by without you getting the pair of Jordans
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that you wish you had had when you were a little kid, I'm going to scream. But again,
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I don't get to say that to everybody that's just looking at the picture on Instagram,
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they just fill in the blanks and stories. What's funny about preachers and speakers is,
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okay, think about it this way, because it's what you two are saying, okay, hey, we're going to,
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you know what I'm going to do? I'm actually going to make a bunch of money on Instagram by pointing
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out other people that make money and spend it. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, hang on,
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I'm going to point out that you shouldn't make that much money for the and buy those sneakers.
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Yet, I'm going to try to make as much money off of that as possible.
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Yeah, I don't think it started that way. I don't think there was an nefarious intention there.
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I think he started with good intentions because he was like, it's kind of, this kind of seems
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off. But yeah, I don't know that guy. I mean, I'm just saying like, your point is, your point is
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well taken though. Sure. Because the guy who you talked about, you know, a pastor makes a bunch
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of money, they must have done wrong. Somebody makes a bunch of money in their business,
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they must have done something wrong. But secretly inside of me, I'm hoping that I can
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make a bunch of money. Yeah. And if I get it, like, I did it all on the up and up, right?
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Well, it's like more money, more problems. And then you're like, I would at least like to try,
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right? I would at least like to try to deal with those problems. And that's kind of really
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where our mindset goes. So I want to just make a point here. Jordan threes are the best Jordan's
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100%. So I just wanted to put that out there. Yeah, you got a couple of other guys. Have you
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all ever had Jordans? I have never owned, I have never owned a pair of Jordans.
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Okay, but like seriously, when we were kids, like, when we were kids and like, you know,
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Jordans are like 200 bucks for a pair of Jordans. And when you're like nine, and you're going to
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fit in them for like four months, like my parents would never let me have them. So I just kind of
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bled into adulthood, having never owned a pair of actual Georgia logic that your parents are using
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to like, okay, that makes sense. But like, when you were when you were looking, Jordan's 200
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dollars in today's money, that's like $1.5 million. And ladies and gentlemen, that is how inflation
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works. So one thing that I did want to get into with first Timothy six is of course, you know,
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we we camped out there on the money side because again, that is literally, you know,
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verse 10 of chapter six, that is probably the most misquoted verse, at least in the whole
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New Testament, if not the entire Bible. But verses 11 and 12 are pretty big. And I wanted to bring
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those out. But as for you, again, this is Timothy writing to or Paul writing to Timothy. But as
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for you, a man of God, flee these things, pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness
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and gentleness, fight the good fight of the faith, take hold of the eternal life to which you were
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called, and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
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The thing that I really like about that is when you read that list, righteousness, godliness, faith,
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love, steadfastness and gentleness, I am just overwhelmed to how impossible that seems. Like,
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to try and check those six boxes all at the same time. Because like, I don't know if you've ever
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been like when I say righteous, godly, faithful, loving, steadfast and gentle, no one immediately
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comes to mind in my purview in my world. Because I have an example with every one of those people
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that I would maybe think of, of times when they were not that. And so that's what I wrote down here
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in, in my margin is that that's really hard to do all these at the same time.
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My big takeaway there, again, Paul is specific in his language. He says pursue. And I think
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that is just like the overarching theme of the Bible, or one of them is we're not called to
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be those things because we can't, but we are to pursue those things because we have been invited
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to be those things. God says I am holy be holy because I am holy. That's an invitation. Like,
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you can't be holy like I am, but like, I want you to pursue that because that is showing me that you
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are worshiping me. You are pursuing me. And so to me, that's that whole sentence hinges on that
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one word pursue. I agree. I agree. And that it's like, I wrote that down just as a reminder of a
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charge of a charge of an encouragement for me and for my family. Like, I want to remember that and
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speak that over them and in them. And hey, guys, remember, pursue righteousness, godliness, faith,
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love, steadfastness, and gentleness. Like, hey, let that be the, the, the rhythm of your life to pursue
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these things. He also doesn't, he doesn't say in the good fight. He says fight it, like fight it.
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He's already won it. We already, we could turn to the end of the book. We know, we know the outcome.
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We're fighting from victory, right? But he says to fight anyway. He doesn't say win it
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because that's not on us either. We're just, we're just called to be in it.
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It's not the outcome. It's the effort. Yeah, it's the effort. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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But you're given the full effort of as if you didn't know the outcome, right? Yeah, I think that's
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right. I think that's hard too. It's like, wait, well, and that's, that's where cheap grace comes in,
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right? Things, ideas like that. Well, if we already knew the outcome, well, do I really have to do all
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that stuff? That's not the point. One thing I saw as well in this section, and this is verse 13,
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I charge you in the presence of God who gives life to all things and of Christ Jesus, who in his
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testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession. Now it keeps going into verse 14,
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but I want to stop there. Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good
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confession because there are segments of Christendom, but specifically, I thought of Muslims that say
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that Jesus never claimed to be God. He never did. And when you look at, you know, the, I'm trying to
42:52
make sure I have my facts straight, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate. But when you look at the
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synoptic gospels and then you include John, the only place where it's like explicit, explicit,
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explicit is in John. And people like to kind of discredit John because it's a little bit more
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poetic. It's a little bit more ethereal, I guess, whereas Matthew, Mark, and Luke kind of follow a
43:08
similar pattern. But even here in Paul's letters, this is showing that and this is kind of getting
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into the Christian apologetics land. This is showing that in the first century, when they're
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writing these letters and going around and sharing the message of Jesus, they didn't think that he
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didn't rise from the dead. And they certainly didn't think that he never claimed to be God,
43:26
because the apologetic from atheists or from, you know, Christians that are just trying to be like
43:30
new age, they're like, Oh, that, you know, the deity of Jesus, that was decided like three, four,
43:36
five hundred years after he walked the earth. This is a figment of our imagination. This is the
43:40
outgrowth of myth that becomes fact. But you can go right here to that one little line that's easy
43:45
to miss and say, no, no, he's not giving that to you. Because made the good confession, the good
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confession was before Pontius Pilate that he was indeed the king of the Jews and the son of God.
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Knowing it would cost him his earthly life. He said, I am the son of God. Otherwise,
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why would they have killed him? Right. Like, that's the thing is a lot of people point out,
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I think Frank Turk pointed out. It's like, why would they have killed him and executed him if
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he didn't claim to do something or claim to be something that would be considered to be blasphemous
44:10
by the Jewish and he did one go back to Titus Kennedy, because you asked him this question
44:14
specifically. And he said, look, nobody back then, including Roman documents and everybody else at
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the time didn't believe that he was actually crucified. The Romans were successful in crucifying
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him. And everybody in the time believed that he was dead. There you go. I mean, and that's backed
44:30
up from several different areas. And he clearly claimed it through the gospel. And what's even
44:34
more powerful about the Bible is that that was all predicted 700 years before it happened. And
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that was explicit. So it self proves and then you can prove it from outside of the Bible. I mean,
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this is this is kind of what got me started eventually down this path is when you're outside
44:48
looking in, can you form a reasonable basis for this? I came to Christ
44:53
from from reading the Bible, but I came to genuine faith by a series of reasoning.
44:58
And that was a big part of it. And there's a scientific basis for that also in Turks all over
45:02
that. Well, and the thing for you is that's a good, that's a good kind of, I guess, expose
45:08
on how how you worship, because some people worship through their emotions and feelings. And
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you know, that's where they really experience God. Other people experience God through intellect
45:16
and arguments and reasoning. And that's, you know, where Christian apologetics makes a big
45:20
difference for people. But I would lean towards people kind of leaning on the Christian apologetics
45:24
side of things, because when you're having an argument of somebody, it's really hard to convince
45:28
them to feel the way that you feel. But you can bring people to the table and say, here are the
45:33
facts that I'm going to lay out for you. Are they compelling enough for you to believe them?
45:36
When you're going through a storm and you're, and you're maturing. And as an example,
45:42
you're, you're wavering when you have to confront the scientific fact that everything came from
45:48
nothing and you can walk through sort of how that happened and people have opinions. But the fact
45:51
is that it came from nothing. That's objectively shown. So what's your answer for that otherwise?
45:57
And when you're going through a storm and you look at that, it's just a faith building rock
46:01
that you can stand on and then you come back and you say, well, what does it say and what should
46:05
I do? And things like that, which I absolutely love because, okay, I'm more of a logical than
46:11
emotional guy. And what I find often often, often Kyle is what you're talking about is oftentimes
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based on their position and gifting and talents and skills, pastors are typically more emotional
46:25
or feels based than they are logic based, right? And so I always appreciate when a pastor can
46:31
balance between the two. Hey, I can appeal to the logic of Jesus Christ and the rational and let's
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look at what actually happened and how it happened and why it happened. And then let's look at the
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faith lesson there of what it calls me to do in light of that truth. Yeah, that was what was most
46:47
difficult for me is I live in a very scientific, practical, tangible world. And when you bring,
46:54
when you introduce this and you have conversations with people about that, you kind of have to be
46:57
able to explain yourself. Well, I also, I think our emotions are liars and we've got to preach
47:02
the gospel to our, we've got to preach the truth to our emotions. Like our emotions, like,
47:07
it could be true in a moment. I'm angry now. But is that, is that the truth tomorrow? And if that,
47:13
if my, I used to be, I used to be someone that was very, very much like guided by my emotions,
47:20
whether good or bad, and even in even in a worship sense, like I would seek after the things that
47:26
made me feel good in church services. And I like, I goes, if I, if it wasn't there, 15 years ago,
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if I'd have walked into a church, like Alistair bag or Sinclair Ferguson, John MacArthur, any of
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those guys that preach line by line, I've been like, what? I'm out. But then, but then, then I,
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then I opened my Bible and it was like, okay, this is logical as well. I mean, it can be emotional
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because you should, you should be brought to your knees because of the depravity of your soul.
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You should be emotional that the just payment for my sin is to spend eternal damnation in hell.
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And you should become emotional because that's not the reality. But your emotions can also be
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liars and we've got to preach the truth. Yeah, some of the worst advice you could possibly
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give somebody is follow your heart. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. What exactly do you mean?
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100 my heart will take me to Taco Bell. Like my heart will not have me do anything else. And so
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that, that's again, when I, whenever you, whenever you operate on this ethic of my feelings and
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then you start getting into this modern, well, it was a moral therapeutic deism to where it's like,
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whatever makes me feel good is right. And it's like, no, there's a lot of things that can make you
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feel good in the moment. That's why I talk about certain churches that give you spiritual skittles.
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Skittles taste amazing. They'll also kill you if you only eat those, right? And so at some point,
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you have to graduate to milk and meat and more tangible, hearty things. And you know, we don't
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really get that encouragement much areas of our life. We're running up against time here. So to
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finish up First Timothy six, I do want to go to versus 1718 and 19, because there's really good
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word here to kind of wrap up our thoughts on First Timothy's. As for the rich, in this present age,
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charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God,
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who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works,
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to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for
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the future, so that they may take hold of what of that, which is truly life. The words there that
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stick out to me is to be rich and good works. Because you go from verse 10, talking about the
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love of money being the root of all evil. And here we are, we're basically given an argument and
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apologetic for what it means to be rich, and to be rich in good works and the things that you're
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doing now, obviously, as we talked about on previous episodes, you can't take this one scripture out
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and say that's my scripture. All right, that's my life first. I'm going to be rich and good works,
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because now you're going to have a works based legalistic approach to Christianity. And that's
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not good either. But knowing the whole story of the gospel and the entire story of the New Testament
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to be rich and good works, like that's a really good thing to operate on moving forward.
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Right, because that builds, I mean, verse 19 is that builds a good foundation for the future that
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they may take hold of that, which is truly life. And what is that? Well, I believe that's the godliness
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that he has been talking about for the rest of the chapter. And really, throughout the entire book
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of first Timothy is pursue godliness, pursue reverence and reflection. And I think pursue
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righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfast and gentleness, right? That is truly life.
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Yeah, I love the end. Oh, Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you, avoid the
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irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it some of
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swerve from the faith. So pursue what you have, but don't don't do things that are just unnecessarily
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creating conflict. Speak the love and truth, try to connect with people, try to hear them,
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and, you know, try to engage with them. I think I like that verse too, because I think Paul's
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bringing it back again, like, Hey, you are a, you are a leader of a church. This is not yours.
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This is a deposit that's been entrusted to you. All these things that I've just said to you in this
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letter, you're going to have to answer for those, you're going to have to give that deposit back,
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and you're going to have to give an account for every line by line expenditure that has that
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comes out of your account. So guard that. I think when we talk about pastors that you don't,
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you don't go into that flippantly. And I think, I think as a capital C church, we as the body
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don't do a good enough job of, of calling our pastors to the mat and saying, I don't think
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that you're stewarding this, or I think you're, you're in air here. And I think some of that goes
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back to you can't like that whole attitude of you can't touch the anointed. And I think that's
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something that I personally struggle with, even in my own church. Like, I don't, there's, there's
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been things that I, I'm uncomfortable with. I don't think you're biblical and I don't think we should
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be doing. Ask me if I wrote an email, asking me if I said anything to somebody besides my wife.
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I didn't. And I've got, I've got to deal with that. I've got to, I've got to live with that.
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And so I think that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a struggle for a lot of people too though. So.
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When I think as we look at the entirety, because we're wrapping up for Timothy here,
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we have to remember that this is one letter that we broke up later, and that this is
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a minor narrative inside the major narrative of Paul's writings. And so for me specifically,
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this is a very unique thing because he's normally writing to a church and a particular area at a
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particular time. But here he is writing to his people as we said in the first episode when we
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talked about it in first Timothy one, he's writing a letter individually to somebody that he knew
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was going to be spread about. And so it's like, are you ever talking to somebody, you know,
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other people are listening? And so the message is for the person you're talking to,
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but they're also for the people that you know are listening. And that's just a really good
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notion to know that he is telling Timothy, his people like almost communicating. I know my time
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is going to be up, but you know, you're separated from me enough in age to where your time is going
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to go after me. And I want you to be able to stand on the shoulders of giants here,
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because think about it, we can, in a weekend, read all of the works of somebody that spent
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their entire adult life 50 years pouring into research to put this book together that we could
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read in a couple of days. But now we can stand on the shoulders of that person and help people
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on that unique and interesting way. So just just for me, like I loved being able to dig through
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this letter because it's like one day whenever I'm, when I have a pupil like this and in this
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type of a context, whatever that looks like, I would hope I would be able to give him these
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large lessons that you can use kind of from a 30,000 foot view, but also how we can operate
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on the ground level as well. What else thoughts overall on first Timothy?
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Oh, I mean, it is a, it's a deep well of knowledge, wisdom, and I think encouraged
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or discouraged behavior. I think it is a deep well that we can, that we can pull from
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over and over in various stages of life and practical application. Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Yeah, I think for me, that's the big one. You know, you can, you can read through the Bible and
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there's all these amazing stories and everything. But in some ways, I think chapters like this that
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are extremely practical, just undergird the truth of the Bible. To me, it's powerful. Absolutely.
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It has tingles that can extend into all different areas. But guys, there's more that we can say on
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first Timothy, but we're gonna have to leave it there. But come back next Sunday where we are
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