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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, we've got a special return guest to the podcast today.
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His name is Riley Meek, so he is an entrepreneur, author, and speaker, and he came on episode
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355 of this podcast, so you can check that out 355.
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He runs what's called the Kings Council.
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The Kings Council in a nutshell is basically a community of entrepreneurs coming together
1:12
where they can support each other in community, learn from each other, it's coaching, it's
1:15
all that kind of stuff.
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We talked about that a lot on episode 355, so you can go back and get a better sense of
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that.
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The link will be in the show notes where you can check out their website.
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He also has a podcast called the Kings Council Podcast, but today we're talking about his
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new book called the Kingdom Entrepreneur, and so the thing about the kingdom is that
1:32
is something that Jesus talked about constantly within the New Testament, and then Riley constantly
1:38
talks about entrepreneurism and how there's a creation mandate and how we are to take
1:42
dominion over the parts of creation that God has given us dominion over, but most of
1:49
us don't really connect all those dots, right?
1:51
You know, we'll see some things maybe in Scripture and we kind of see how they apply to our
1:55
lives, but we don't always connect all those dots.
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And so that's kind of his attempt with this book is to come together to explain the overall
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concept of kingdom entrepreneurship and specifically how we are to act inside of that.
2:07
And so in this discussion today, we talk about Christian's thoughts on work, how we think,
2:12
you know, work is a curse and we thought it was a curse from the beginning, but we were
2:15
actually created to work, but it's the toil that was added whenever sin entered the world
2:21
that created issues for us.
2:23
We talk about dominion and what the overall concept of that is and how we can find that
2:27
in our lives.
2:28
We talk about how the churches that basically staying away from the subject of money, how
2:33
that's been really bad for a lot of people and their mindset and it's caused them to
2:37
not be able to shift into a different mindset because it kind of almost like sticks them
2:41
in a poverty mindset and keeps them there.
2:43
But also we talk about kingdom work and how making money and doing things inside the kingdom
2:49
is something that is required.
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It's something that we need to do if we want to do all of these faithful things that God
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would have us do.
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A lot of those things are expensive and we even talked about regardless of your setup.
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If you're an entrepreneur with multiple businesses or if you're working in a cubicle doing something
3:05
blue call or anything in between how anywhere where you work, guys, and you've heard this
3:09
before, but it's always good to get a reminder that you are exactly where God needs you to
3:13
be in that moment because you are in full time ministry.
3:16
You may not have the word pastor on your business card.
3:19
You may not do churchy things in your everyday work, but you are in full time evangelistic
3:24
ministry by the life that you're living and the life that you're living and the connection
3:29
that you have with God and the connection that you have with God's image bears.
3:32
So we talk about a lot of different things in this particular episode today, but I was
3:35
just really, really happy with how it went.
3:37
At the end, I asked him because he's always got different entrepreneurial ventures going
3:40
on.
3:41
And so he talked to us about this new thing that I didn't quite understand in the moment, but
3:43
I've thought a little bit more about it later, but we talked about that at the very, very
3:46
end, so that's an interesting thing for those of you that love different business ideas,
3:50
but I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Riley, make your back, but here's the thing.
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Last time you had a t-shirt on so you could easily start the gun show, but now you got
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a jacket on.
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What's the deal?
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Have you not been working out lately?
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Is that what's happening?
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Bro, you're, you're, I'm trying to keep up with you.
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So I didn't want to embarrass myself on this episode.
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So that's okay.
4:12
That's okay.
4:13
You're going to keep it covered up for today, but the next time I see you, you need to be
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wearing like a tank top or something like that.
4:20
But hey, you've been on the show before, as I said, in the introduction and all that.
4:23
But for those that don't know you, you got to give us your journey from super tiny small
4:28
town to entrepreneur, and you got about 60 seconds because we a lot of, we have a lot
4:33
of ground to cover elsewhere.
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So you got 67, 60 seconds to give us the whole thing.
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I brought born in South Dakota, born race in South Dakota, gave my life to entrepreneurship
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at the age of 15, gave my life to Christ at the age of 16, moved up here to Minnesota,
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which is where we reside most of the time now.
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We do have a place in Florida, and I think I spend majority of my nights in hotel rooms
4:57
really just with all the, the businesses we have going on, but multiple different businesses.
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I've done millions of dollars in revenue, but my heart, man, my passion is the Kings
5:07
Council.
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I know that is what God has called me to do at, for this moment in time in my life, which
5:12
I mean, I'm sure we'll dive into this, bro, but this is, we disciple entrepreneurs, right?
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And that was a big thing that was missing in my life when I started to make a decent
5:21
amount of money.
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I was, I am the epitome of the prodigal son.
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And I just thank God, thank God so much that he never took his hand off of me, allowed
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me to grow through the junk that got me to where I am right now.
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And really it's just been, the last four years have been epic, man.
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I started to understand the difference between looking to Jesus as Savior versus looking to
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Him as Lord.
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And that's my, my mission, vision and purpose now is, is just Jesus's Lord, it's, it's sanctification
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from here on out.
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Okay.
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I wasn't planning on asking you about it, but you kind of brought it up with the Kings
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Council stuff and the entrepreneurism and the coaching.
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But my wife and I were kind of unique.
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We're kind of odd ducks, because she and I are both entrepreneurs running businesses
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and a common thread that we go back and forth with is, you know, entrepreneurism can be
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lonely, especially if you're solo, you know, you know, have a lot of staff that you have
6:12
to see every single day in the office, like I'm a solopreneur, she's a solopreneur.
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And I've talked to other people that are, you know, everything from, uh, insurance salesman
6:21
to attorneys to, you know, uh, I don't know, like personal trainers and all that and they,
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they have some sort of element of entrepreneurism to what they're doing, but talk to me a little
6:31
bit about just how, how you can feel like you're literally on an island by yourself.
6:36
No one's dealing with the same problems that you are.
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You can't really see over the stack of crap that you have to do.
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And it's just so hard to focus on the future when you have all this stuff that has to happen
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immediately.
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Go, go with that wherever you want to go.
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Yeah, bro.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Well, let's first off even just define what, what entrepreneurship actually is, uh, and
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because I really believe, uh, everybody at the core of creation, uh, everybody is an
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entrepreneur, right?
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Cause the word, the French word entrepreneur literally just means to undertake, right?
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And I, I, I looked to, when I read the Bible, I obviously look at it through an entrepreneur
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lens.
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Like we're a little different, right?
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We, we like to create, we, we, we look for when we see problems, our mind immediately goes
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to solutions.
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And it's like, how do we get better and better and better?
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And I think that's a God given, uh, skill set, but I think culture has, has done a heck
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of a great job at teaching that out of us or dare I even say indoctrinating that out
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of us.
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And I think the enemy is behind all of that, right?
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And just with like, uh, becoming slaves to the system that we really live in.
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But I think at the core of what God created us to do was to co-create with him, right?
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And in Genesis chapter two, even gives us a prime example of that.
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But, but when we have that understanding, it's like, okay, we're here to co-create.
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I know that I'm not doing this alone because also in that same, uh, section in Genesis
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there, it says that it wasn't good for man to be alone and, and thank God he created
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woman.
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But also I think it's, it's more than just, uh, a relationship, but we've been given this
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command to, you know, be fruitful to multiply and a lot of people think like that's making
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babies, which believe me is fun, uh, but there's way more to it than just making babies.
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It has to do with kingdom culture, right?
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We've been called to be fruitful and that means be productive.
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What is it that you have in your hands and then multiply that?
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And then once we do that, we then can have actual dominion.
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And so it's be, be fruitful, do multiply, have dominion.
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And when we do that, even as a solopreneur, it's so important for us to, to know that
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we're not doing it alone, but we do have to, to invite our creator in on this process
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with us.
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And then once we understand that and we start to invite our, uh, our peers or like mindset
9:00
at individuals into this process, we know that we're on mission together as kingdom
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entrepreneurs.
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Right.
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And that's, that's specifically, if you're, you know, not a follower of Jesus, this might
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not even make sense to you.
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But if you've committed your life to Jesus and now you've taken on this kingdom mindset,
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meaning Jesus is king, uh, we then now are all of the same mindset.
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It's like we are growing.
9:24
We are, we are here to be fruitful, to multiply, to have dominion, the kingdom, dominion here
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and now.
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And we know that you can't, you just can't do that alone.
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Right?
9:33
It's, it's, it's, it's literally impossible to do that alone.
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And that's why it's so important for the aspect of community of coming together with
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those like mindseted believers that are on mission, that have vision and have purpose,
9:47
that MVP process, mission, vision, mission, vision purpose to actually have dominion.
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And that Kyle is really how I believe we as entrepreneurs can change culture.
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Right.
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We, because it comes back to there's, there's the culture of the world, which is dominating
10:04
right now, but I believe it's up to entrepreneurs specifically here in the United States of
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America.
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Like if, if we want the change, it's going to come down to entrepreneurs, those that
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are willing to undertake the task at hand, especially here and now in 2024, man, because
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it's a, it's an uphill battle.
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But the beautiful thing is with this kingdom mindset, we know the war is already won, but
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we got to come battle ready.
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And it's, it's literally impossible to do that alone, to fight these battles alone.
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We got to fight them with brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Community is so important and that's kind of the big thing is if you don't have community,
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they're in a sales job or a nine to five job or a cubicle job or something like that.
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They're not going to understand the stuff you're going through in the same way and that doesn't
13:00
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It makes them different.
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It just reveals that you had different choices in terms of your profession than they have.
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13:18
So having those people around you that are having those similar experiences is really,
13:21
really important.
13:22
But throughout some of the stuff that you just said there, Riley, you really hit on a lot
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of stuff.
13:26
That's really the center point of your new book, which is called The Kingdom Entrepreneur,
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The Creation Mandate, God's Call to Work.
13:32
Now, I don't have a physical copy here in front of me because apparently I slipped through
13:36
the cracks, Riley.
13:37
You and I talk all the time, but apparently you can't send me a book.
13:40
So you owe me, write yourself a note that needs to happen immediately.
13:44
But this is book two of a series that you're writing.
13:46
Yeah, I know you'll do it.
13:47
It's book two in a series that you're doing.
13:50
And just briefly, tell us what specifically Kingdom Entrepreneurship is because I want
13:56
to really dig into some of the different subject matters you actually bring up in the book.
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Yeah, thank you, man.
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So yeah, this is book two of a three-part series.
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The first book, I don't know if we might have talked about that on the first episode that
14:09
we did together, but that's the God-given blueprint.
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Like God has given us a blueprint to create through the seven days of creation.
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So I lay that out in that book of how to create anything, whether it's a great relationship
14:21
or an incredible business, right?
14:23
How do we do this?
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Let's just follow the blueprint that our creator had given us, right?
14:28
If we look to the Bible as that, like our literal operating manual, there's so much
14:34
that we can glean from that on how to actually apply it into our everyday life.
14:39
Book two, then, what we're talking about here today, man, this is the creation mandate.
14:44
And as I mentioned, the original creator has actually invited us, which is just it so blows
14:52
my mind, man.
14:53
Even when I think about this, I mean, I dove into this road of a book about it, but it's
14:57
still when I talk about this, just blows my mind that in Genesis chapter two, starting
15:01
in like verse 15, you know, God created man, Adam, and placed him in the garden to work,
15:09
right?
15:10
A lot of people think that that work is part of the curse.
15:14
And that's not the case.
15:15
God actually created us with the intent to work the garden.
15:19
Like that was the blessing that we got to do was to co-work with our creator in the
15:25
garden.
15:26
And we jacked it up, of course, and then ultimately the curse was on the ground.
15:32
It's like now by the sweat of your brow, you're going to sweat, you're going to to boil.
15:37
It's going to be hard.
15:38
There's going to be thorns, right?
15:39
And all of us, whether you're a believer or not, you know, that's what we deal with
15:44
on a daily basis.
15:45
But specifically before that, in Genesis two, there's a moment when God actually comes
15:51
to Adam.
15:52
And it's like day six of creation, he created the rest of the animals and the mammals,
15:59
right?
16:00
And then he created man.
16:02
And as he's creating these animals, he has to name them, right?
16:06
And so it blows my mind, Kyle, that he actually brings Adam into this process and he says,
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Hey, what do you want to name them?
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Like, what do you want to name that tall neck thing over there?
16:18
Like the, I don't know, giraffe, right?
16:21
Like, I mean, it's just so incredible that God could have did all of that.
16:26
But no, he invited us in the process and then from there in Genesis one 28 gave us this
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succession plan.
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As I mentioned before, is to be fruitful, to multiply what you've been given.
16:38
And that will allow us to have dominion on this earth.
16:41
That was the original intent.
16:43
That was our succession plan after he created everything.
16:47
Then he's like, all right, it's on you now.
16:49
You have to go create, right?
16:51
I mean, we may have, some of us may have even heard this like, first off, everything that
16:54
we see in creation right now was God created everything in six days.
17:00
But he didn't create everything that we see now, right?
17:04
For example, he didn't create the table.
17:06
He created a tree and then instilled in us knowledge and wisdom and insight on how to
17:11
make a table, right, or how to build a house or he gave us oil in the ground.
17:17
And then he gave us the ability to understand how to make tires and rubber and cars.
17:22
It's like, it's fascinating to me.
17:24
And even if just you look in the last 100, 200 years, the progression, how quickly things
17:30
have progressed compared to the last, you know, 1800 years, it's mind boggling to the
17:37
extent of where we're at in culture right now.
17:40
But I do believe, and again, we see this so much that even right now, there's a couple
17:46
statistics in the book, man, in 1913, the amount here, and these are specifically here
17:53
in America, in 1913, roughly, I've got to get my fact read on this, I think it was roughly
18:00
7% of US citizens were actually employees, the 93% were actually entrepreneurs.
18:10
And that's just meaning like you weren't paid a wage to sit in the cubicle, like you had
18:15
mentioned, right?
18:16
You had a task, like you had to, you got paid a specific amount to go do something and produce,
18:22
right?
18:23
And I think if we could get back to that, it would be incredible.
18:26
But it's unfortunate now it's the numbers are actually completely inverse, right?
18:31
Because the Industrial Revolution, everything had happened to essentially create what I
18:37
would consider slaves to just do the minimum, minimum amount possible to get paid what you
18:44
have to get paid for that eight hours, and then be done and go do whatever you want
18:49
to do.
18:50
And it's fascinating throughout the Bible, man, I don't see that model anywhere in Scripture,
18:56
right?
18:57
Nowhere retirement isn't even in Scripture, we are created to co-create with our Creator
19:02
and continually progress until He calls us home.
19:06
And that's why I just think there is a call to entrepreneurship, a call to co-create.
19:12
But if we've never heard of this before, it seems like, okay, that's a little weird,
19:16
right?
19:17
Because culture society tells us to go to school, go to college, go $200,000 in debt.
19:24
Now I know that's biblical, you ain't supposed to do that, right?
19:29
But this is what we've been told and we fully accept it, embrace, we've even planned to
19:34
go into debt to be slaves so that we have to forever do what we, I mean, we're truly
19:41
serving money in our poverty in that standpoint.
19:45
And so this book is really a call to open our eyes, unveil, maybe the, understand, have
19:50
the revelation of like, wait a minute, I can create something.
19:55
I can create something of value that people will actually provide money, resources too,
20:00
so that I have the time, the flexibility to actually do my God-given calling on this
20:06
earth.
20:07
And unfortunately, I think a lot of people is, the heart of the King's council is to
20:12
be pro-vision for the God-given vision of the church.
20:15
But here in America, we have become enslaved to making money, to go into a job which ties
20:21
up all of our time that makes us unavailable to our creator to actually fulfill his God-given
20:28
calling on this earth, which is to be fruitful, to multiply, right?
20:32
And then we've been given, that's the original commandment, right?
20:36
And then in the New Testament, we've been told, we are to go forth, right, to preach
20:40
the gospel, we are to make disciples.
20:43
But if we are bogged down because we have to provide and have pro-visioned by working
20:48
for our master, which is money, that's going to prevent a lot of those opportunities.
20:54
It just takes off the table because we can't do it because we're obligated to this job.
20:59
I have to provide for my family, which is honorable, absolutely.
21:03
But if we understand that there's another alternative, right, that you can create.
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So let me get back to a couple of things that you said, because we're bouncing all over
21:57
a lot of the stuff that's in the book.
21:59
I think there was a progression.
22:01
Yeah, dude.
22:02
Oh, good.
22:03
I get excited too.
22:04
And then I'm like, wait, crap.
22:05
What was the question?
22:06
So I think it was like the Prussian, I think it was the Prussian model of like how they
22:10
did factory workers and they carried that same model into the classroom and then the
22:15
Americans kind of adopted that model.
22:17
And so that's like the sit and rose focus on one person at the front of the room, not
22:21
a whole lot of, you know, entrepreneurism focus.
22:24
It's all basically do this and then do it correctly and then memorize this and then regurgitate
22:28
it.
22:29
And then basically do that for 13 years of non higher education and then four plus years
22:34
of higher education.
22:35
And then, you know, it goes into the thing that you described.
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And what I don't want people to hear that are in a cubicle because that's where I used
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to be.
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And that's where you're maybe listening to this right now, some of you out there, because
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you and I disagree a little bit on the fact that everyone is an entrepreneur and should
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be an entrepreneur.
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Yeah.
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And we've talked about that before.
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I think we talked about that the last time we came on here a couple of years ago.
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But I think a better way of thinking about it, which you talk about in the book is when
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you do talk about dominion, which you've mentioned already in this episode, because
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yeah, in terms of Christianity and work, there's a short quote that you make your point in
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the book.
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And it's this, what made the garden of Eden so special wasn't the absence of work.
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It was the presence of the perfect coworker.
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So if you think about it in those terms, it's like, yes, like that totally makes sense.
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But then when you look at the dominion side of things, I want to read this quote from
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the book.
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God created us for kinship for dominion.
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And inside each of us is a hidden kingdom consciousness longing for its domain.
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And so to those of you listening to this, your domain could be in that cubicle.
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It could be leading the people that are in your little cubicle farm or cubicle area.
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It could be a business.
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It could be a new venture.
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It could be an additional thing, a side hustle where your dominion will be found.
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So talk to us a little bit more specifically about the dominion side of it, and then we'll
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pop around to some of the other topics in the book.
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Yeah, it's so good.
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Reminds me of what your first question was, man.
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It's good, dude.
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It really is.
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A lot of people think when the fall took place that we lost a religion, and that's not the
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case.
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What was lost was a kingdom, right?
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If we understand what kingdom actually means, the root word of that, there's two words put
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together.
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There's king and domain, right?
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And domain, so we know king, Jesus is king first off, right?
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If we understand that, like, okay, now we can build upon that.
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But domain, a domain is like a territory, right?
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Where you have dominion, right?
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Where somebody, there's a ruler and a ranger.
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However, the interesting thing is that D-O-M, Dom, the suffix of that is actually like a
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in a verb tense, right?
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So a lot of us can have, can experience like boredom, right, or stardom, right?
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And so it's like, we know it's a state or a being.
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So when Jesus is king, and we experience the kingdom, it is that state to that being
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of his rule and reign in our life.
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So when man sinned, we lost the kingdom.
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We lost Jesus' rule and reign in our life.
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The most incredible thing is, though, throughout the rest of the Old Testament, there is a
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promise of a Messiah, right, and that someone's coming back.
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Jesus came on the scene, right?
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He lived the 30 years, and then he all of a sudden said, "Hey, he started his ministry
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for the three years, he died, the most horrific death, and rose again."
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And this is what's this.
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I mean, if he hadn't risen again, Christianity wouldn't, it would be a fallacy, right?
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But the fact that he rose again, and when he returned, he wasn't preaching anything else
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except the kingdom, right?
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If you look throughout the New Testament, he's like, he shows up on the scene, he's
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like, "Hey, the kingdom of heaven is here.
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It is here, it's not like in a distance or a place that we're going to go, yes, heaven
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is a place, but when we pray, thy kingdom come."
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Right?
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He gave us a very clear structure on how to pray.
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Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.
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That means the kingdom of heaven can be here and now, and it begins with Jesus' rule in
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reign in our life.
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And so this is where if you've given your life to Christ, now, if you have it, you have
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it, this may sound like Malachi to you because I don't even, this is bizarre, right?
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But here's the deal.
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If you've given your life to Christ, you've submitted it, and it's like, "Okay, Jesus,
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you are Savior."
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And this is where I was at for a number of years in my life because I didn't understand
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discipleship, I didn't understand lordship.
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But as I read through the New Testament now, I understand that whenever Savior is mentioned,
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there's always Lord right before, and it's like Lord in Savior, Jesus is Lord in Savior.
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So Lord, meaning I'm submitting to Him.
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This is where obedience comes into play.
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And if it's like, "All right, God, I'm going to submit to you," and I understand that
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that's truly what the kingdom of when we're praying, that kingdom on earth as it is in
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heaven, it's like, "You're ruling reign in my life.
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Help me in the decisions that I make.
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Guide me on how to actually walk this thing out, how to actually live this life out here
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on earth," because a lot of people think that eternity begins when you die, like when your
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flesh dies, but that is not the case, Kyle.
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You know this man, eternity begins the moment you submit, the moment you pray, you speak
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those words, "Jesus, forgive me of my sins, I repent, and I ask you to be Lord of my life,
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and thank you for your grace and your mercy, the power within my life."
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That right there is when eternity begins for each individual, and that's when the kingdom
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can actually rule and reign.
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And so as we're all walking around in these flesh suits that we have right now, we had
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to understand that's the kingdom of God.
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We are the temple.
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This is why we don't need the temple set up anymore, because his rule and reign operates
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in our life.
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And he died already for our sins, and that washed away everything from that point on.
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Then we come to him with a repentant heart, and now seek him as Lord of our lives from
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there on.
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And this just comes back to what I struggled a lot, Kyle, was how do I do this?
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When I first gave my life to Jesus, it's like, "Yeah, this is great.
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I'm 16, 17, 18, 19, I'm starting to realize I still have to live life.
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I still have to figure this out.
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I have to provide for my family, and I could have gone the route of what culture tells
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me to do."
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But thankfully, this is where I think, again, where we disagree is that entrepreneurship
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isn't that you are building a business even.
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You can be working in the cubicle and still be an entrepreneur if you have that mindset.
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Because that's all it is.
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Am I willing to undertake the task at hand?
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Yes.
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For the time, you may be working a job that pays you 15 bucks an hour for this eight-hour
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day.
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But if you take on this mindset, I am here to undertake.
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I'm going to know that I'm not working for man, but everything, Colossians tells us everything
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that we do.
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We are working as if we're working for the Lord, not for man.
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And that is, again, that kingdom, that rule and reign in our life.
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And if we do that and commit to that, man, that's when there's just such freedom.
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There's such freedom in that, and again, it comes back to that entrepreneurship mindset.
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Well, I want to go further with that, because I literally, as you were saying that, I wrote
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down mindset shift.
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And I think you made a great point in the book, which it was almost like, it was almost
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like a side point, but it just worked with the entirety of what you're going for.
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But it's just the fact that we are all in full-time ministry.
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And so I want to read this quote here, and I want you to keep going with where you were
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going a second ago.
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We were created and redeemed for more than evangelism.
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Yes, that is part of what we are called to do.
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It is our good works that bring glory and honor to God.
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We are not saved by our works, but we are saved in order to do good works.
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Because of this, all of our work is essentially kingdom work.
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Even if you're not sharing the gospel or consider yourself in full-time ministry, can I just
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say this?
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We are in full-time ministry.
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Riley, if people just took away from your book, and there's a lot more, they just took
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away from your book domain.
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Find your domain.
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That God has set before you.
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Find that and shift your mindset to be that I am in full-time ministry, whether I'm digging
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ditches or in the corner office.
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I don't want to be hyperbolic because I can get excited too, and I got this crazy ginger
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energy.
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But that changes the West.
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That changes everything.
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It changes the stock market.
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It changes your community.
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Because if you walk into a new church or if you walk into a new job or if you walk into
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the same job you've had for the last decade and you just think to yourself, this is where
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God has me to do full-time ministry.
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He has me in this neighborhood.
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He has me in this seat.
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He has me on this plane.
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And that's what I'm here to do.
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I feel like it changes everything, Riley.
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It does, man.
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I'm so glad you brought this up because that as entrepreneurs, and I know if we got some
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listening to this, you guys are hustlers, you're grinders.
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It's like, we're going to work, and this is how I lived my life.
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I still really believe in this philosophy that if I'm going to be the hardest worker
31:54
in the room, ain't nobody going to outwork me, right?
31:57
Now, we understand that, but it's understanding and corralling that into what true success
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actually is.
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And this is where what I think is so important because I was so infatuated with being successful
32:16
for a long time, but my definition of success was what the world told me success was, right?
32:25
And it really, for me, it was like, I wanted to do what I want, when I want, who I want,
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who I want, how I want, right?
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And when I really look at that now as a Christian, like a true Christian, a follower of Jesus,
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that ain't success, right?
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Because our success truly should be, I want to do what Jesus wants, where I want, when
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I want, how I want, however he directs me, that's lordship, right?
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But the world tells us that we need to be successful, we need to go make money.
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And so many of us base our definition of success based upon other people, right?
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True success has nothing to do with what other people are doing.
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True success only is based upon, did you do what you know God called you to do?
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And that comes right back to your point, Kyle, it's like, where you're at right now?
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Where are you?
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Are you in that job?
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You are there for a reason, whether you believe it or not.
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And if you, if you understand that and it's like, all right, God, it shifts your prayer
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from God, give me out of this opportunity, give me out of this, give me more opportunity,
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it shifts your prayer to God, use me today, break my heart for what breaks yours and open
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my eyes to how I can be a blessing to somebody else right here, right now.
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Because if we know the moment that we've given our life to Christ, if that's the only thing
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that's important, the only thing we should be doing is evangelizing, right?
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If that's it, if it's like, all you need to do is say the prayer, get into heaven, check
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the box, cool, eternity, then the only thing we should absolutely be doing is evangelizing.
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But that's not it, man.
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The Bible has so much more to say about this.
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It's a small percentage, right?
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And when you, when you've now given your life to Christ, now you've entered the kingdom.
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And this is where things get real exciting.
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This is where it's like, okay, and this is what I think a lot of, this is where I was
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at for, dude, 15 years, 15 plus years of my life.
34:23
It's like I got in the door, I thought, right, I don't know, I'm not going to go into a theological
34:30
basis of what I saved was I not at all, but I thought I got into the door, right?
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But little did I know that there were so many rooms, there were so many things that
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God had for me, I just didn't know about it.
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I just didn't know that there was more to this, this life of a believer, this freedom,
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this discipleship, this, this process of sanctification, and in that man, if we, when we understand
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that, it's like, God, I no longer am chasing after the things of this world, right?
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I'm chasing after you.
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We play for an audience of one.
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And when we, when we understand that, it takes away, when I know I've said freedom a fair
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amount, like what does that actually mean?
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It just takes away the pressures of this world.
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What society has told us we're supposed to do or culture has said, well, well, you should
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do this.
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How you even raise your kids, it, it, it, it radically changes that because it's no longer
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about them trying to be worldly successful.
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Like my prayer, it's, it's so funny.
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We do have Ellie huge homeschool proponents, of course, but we do have Ellie in a private
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Christian school here in, in Minnesota and she gets her grades and she gets a little,
35:44
like, kind of worked up about it on getting AIDS and it's, you know, our, our teaching
35:49
here is just like, listen, we want you to do your best, your, your job is to only do
35:55
your best.
35:56
It has zero to do with even getting your teacher to like you or, or trying to win them in that
36:02
way.
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But you do what you do, absolutely your best.
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The only class we're, we're mostly concerned about that we want you to memorize to truly
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memorize is Bible, right?
36:12
And it's like, you're getting an A on that, you could literally fail all the other classes.
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And as long as I know that you're actually with all your effort training to be better,
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we're, we're okay with that.
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And when she, I think fully grasp that, she was like, okay, and there was a, there was
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a freedom in that.
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It's just like, if, yeah, we, she needs to learn mass, she needs to learn because she
36:35
needs to learn these basic skills, but that's not what life is about.
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It is about knowing your creator in holiness and sanctification and getting, getting back
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to just the basics of why we were created.
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And then everything else, we're just, we're going to do it with our entire being, our
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entire effort, because we know it isn't to go when man over, yes, that's a part of it.
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But how we're going to do that is because they see that we're different.
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They see it as you mentioned, when you're, when you're in the workplace, like if we are
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truly image-bearers of the, of God almighty, right, we, we're called to be ambassadors
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for Christ.
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Meaning we, we're protected.
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We have, we have like a protected territory within us and around us.
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And then we should be image-bearers.
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We should be like reflecting his goodness.
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And when we take that on, we can't help, but naturally people are going to be attracted
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to us because there's just something different, there's just something different about how
37:38
you operate.
37:39
You don't get worked up when things, you know, get tough when, when you get the crisis, you
37:43
don't get, you don't freak out.
37:45
And it's because we're rooted in, in truth, we're rooted in our, the kingdom, right, in
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our, our ruler and reigner in our life.
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And that truly to me is evangelism.
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Like that's how we have dominion on this earth is the culture that we create in our
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households, and then that flows out into the marketplace, into the world and kingdom culture
38:07
can now actually take place based upon what we've been told in Genesis 128, but we have
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to be fruitful first in order to multiply.
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One that really reminds us, well, you, you say it's like one of the last sentences of
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the book, but it's the question you need to ask yourself, which is what is success anyway?
38:25
And so you're, you're talking about dominion and kingdom mindset and entrepreneurship and
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raising money and selling and all this other stuff, but that's kind of the crux of the
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whole issue is what is success mean.
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Because is it crushing Q two, just like you did Q one, maybe, maybe that leads into the
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plans that God has for you.
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God doesn't need you, but he wants you to be part of his overall dominion plan.
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I feel like there is a nefarious thing that's kind of undergirding a lot of stuff that we
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talk about and it's something that you address in the book.
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It's this lack of money talk in the church and a poverty mindset leading to a lot of Christians.
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Again, if you're non-Christian listening to this today, we're so glad that you're here,
39:04
but maybe this doesn't, it's not going to feel like a super applies to you, but we don't
39:08
talk about money, even though Jesus talked about money in the New Testament constantly.
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But in modernity, we don't like talking about it.
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I think churches have been, you know, lulled into this idea of thinking like, Oh, you know,
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if we start talking about money, people are going to get uncomfortable and they're going
39:24
to not want to come anymore.
39:25
It's like, well, yeah, money can be an uncomfortable subject matter.
39:28
I used to be in financial planning and people would much rather talk about their sex life
39:32
in public than to talk about their retirement plans.
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It's just one of those weird things people, you're going to be talking about something
39:38
that people have a death grip on with both hands.
39:41
So yes, churches, it is going to be awkward.
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That's not a sign that you shouldn't talk about it.
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That's a sign that you should talk about it more.
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It's also this, this poverty mindset that you can't be a good Christian unless you're
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poor destitute.
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And probably my favorite quote from the entire book was this, hear me on this, wealth is
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not wicked and poverty is not piety.
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Why I think we've bought into the fact like we do think that in the opposite, we think
40:06
that having wealth is wicked.
40:07
That's kind of a very leftist mindset that, Oh, you, you have all this money.
40:12
You must have gotten it by taking advantage of people.
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You must have gotten it by, you know, ill gotten means or something like that.
40:18
And that if you're somehow in poverty, you get to claim victimhood status, right?
40:22
Well, I'm impoverished because of the mean guy.
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And again, that gets into communism and socialism and all that, which is not the point today's
40:28
discussion.
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But talk to me a little bit about what the church has done in not talking about money
40:33
that is kind of aided in this poverty mindset.
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And thus maybe keeps people away from this, this kingdom entrepreneurship concept that
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you're laying out.
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Yeah, man, this is really truly what breaks my heart with the church here in America.
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And this isn't obviously every church or some incredible ones out there that that are leading
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their flock well, right?
40:55
But I think unfortunately where a lot of churches are how they're gauging success, right?
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I think it's flawed.
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And the fact that it's it's butts in seats, it's it's followers, right?
41:09
Now we weren't ever the Bible doesn't ever tell us to make converts of Jesus, right?
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Not to make fans of Jesus, right?
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It's to make disciples and disciples ship.
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The root word of this is it comes from discipline, right?
41:26
It's like, oh, snap, when we really understand like we're making people discipline, we're
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called to make people disciplined in their actions, right?
41:35
And the majority, this is why it's so fascinating to me, man, also throughout all of the things
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that could have been mentioned in Mark, I forget the actual chapter, but really when
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it says, hey, we cannot serve both God and mammon, right?
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Or money is a translation that that's oftentimes used, but a proper translation is mammon, right?
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And that is the spirit of money, the power that we give it over us.
42:06
And I think a lot of churches are unfortunately doing this and they're not serving God, but
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they're serving mammon by not preaching and teaching how to steward finances well, right?
42:21
And this is why I think it's such a big thing and why of all things that could have been
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mentioned of literally of all things, you cannot serve both God and murder, both God
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and the devil, both God and lust.
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Now, each of mammon, it's like, well, then this must be a really big topic that we should
42:39
probably talk about, right?
42:41
Because this is where I think you mentioned the wealth is not wicked, poverty is not
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piety.
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We have to understand this, like most Christians are serving money in their poverty.
42:57
And this is what really breaks my heart on this because a lot of people think, and partly
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it's because they've been taught, maybe even indoctrinated this by an angry bald guy that
43:07
comes around and tells people how to save money, right?
43:11
Which is good if you're in debt, right?
43:15
He's got lots of courses.
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He's well known throughout the entire, you know, Christian community, but it's literally
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a means to an end.
43:23
Like, it's a race to zero.
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It's to get out of debt, which is a great tool, a great resource if that's where you're
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at in life.
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But I know that that's not it.
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The last I read, Kyle, we serve a God that owns a cattle on a thousand hills, right?
43:39
We serve a God of abundance, a God of more than enough, right?
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And this isn't getting into what's known as like prosperity gospel, this isn't like
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name it and claim it and, you know, blab it and grab it or whatever the heck it is.
43:51
This is gospel, right?
43:52
This is truly just like, what does the word of God say?
43:56
And if we believe that, then we have to believe the entire Bible.
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We don't get to like pull out truncate scriptures and be like, okay, well, we're going to talk
44:04
about this verse today, because it's easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle
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than for a rich man to get to heaven.
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And they use that scripture, but they didn't continue to read that the very next verse says
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this with God, all things are possible.
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And it's like, oh, when I read that, because this is growing up, it was like, well, I'm
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going to be poor.
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This is where I struggled, man, where it's like, I had a gift to make money.
44:31
Like, I'm unashamed to say that like God has blessed me with that ability.
44:36
And from there, it is stewardship, but for so long, I was, I was, I felt like I couldn't
44:41
be a good Christian because I could make money, right?
44:45
But then all of a sudden, I had a discipleship in my life.
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And Deuteronomy says that it's God that gives me the ability to create wealth.
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And then as I continue to read what were indoctrinated into me on specific scriptures, and then
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I read the next verse and I was like, oh, so even if you're poor, you still need God.
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Okay.
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Then I could start to process this and understand that with God, all things are possible.
45:08
Now, having a lot of money, having riches, it definitely brings new pressures, new stresses,
45:16
new, new responsibilities, we'll call it into your life, right?
45:20
And we do know that the parable of the talents tells us that it's God gives to us according
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to our ability.
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And this is where I believe what is happening in the Christian community is that God is
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raising up this generation of those that are able.
45:38
Because I really believe how do we know quickly, again, the parable of talents, there's a
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dude who's given one talent, a dude who's given two talent and one who's given five.
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And then it said God gives according to their ability.
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And when I first read that early on again as a Christian, it's like, that's not fair.
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Well, my one get one, one get five and like, hello, is that culture today, like not fair.
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And no, it gives these gifts to our ability because if as you continue to read, you realize
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that the one who got five, he freaking doubled it into 10.
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The one who got two, he doubled it into 10.
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And the one who got one buried it and he buried it crazily enough as you continue to read
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this, when the master returns that the one who has five, he brings it to the master and
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he's like, here's, here's what I did.
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He says, well done, good and faithful servant.
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You've been entrusted with a little.
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Now you'll have more.
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He says the same thing to the guy in a second.
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He brought it to him.
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And then when you read the one who had won, this is where it gets gnarly, dude.
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It's like, he goes, you wicked and lazy servant.
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You could at least put it on, you know, I can earn interest with the bankers, right?
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But you didn't even do that, you buried it wicked and lazy and he took what he had, gave
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it to those that were willing to be fruitful and to multiply, right?
46:59
But this is what's, this is where I understood coming back to this mindset, what, what it
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said and I encourage everybody to go read this, spend some time in this, this chapter
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because it's, it's fascinating.
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He said, the one who, who got one and buried it said, I knew you to be a hard man.
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And I, this is where I really believe our perspective of God is directly in correlation
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with how we view money.
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And if we know it to be hard and for him to, like, I don't, I don't want to like take
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a, what we would consider a risk, I don't want to, you know, I'm just going to hold
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on to what I have.
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I'm going to hold on to it tight so that I have enough in case I need it.
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No, no, no, no, right?
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Matthew six, chapter six is incredible in Matthew, talks about provision and that God
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takes care of the lilies of the field.
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If we get to verse 33 and we said, seek first the kingdom of God, it says, all those other
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things are going to be given to you, right?
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But you have to seek first the kingdom of God and operate with that mindset and authority
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knowing that he's given me this, I'm going to be responsible for this, right?
48:12
I'm going to be responsible, I'm going to be accountable.
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The parable of talents tells us that as well.
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And then the biggest one that I think is what we're missing is the availability, right?
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Are we making ourselves available to God to be used?
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And this just to put a bow on what comes back to, like, if you're strapped down to a job
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eight hours a day or 10 hours a day or whatever it is, it's hard, right?
48:37
Yes, you can have domain in that territory.
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But I believe that God has called some listening here right now, this is going to resonate.
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God has called you to more.
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He has called you to more than what you're doing right now.
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But you have to put yourself in a position to receive what he's called you to do.
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And if you're tied down and you're strapped down, the number one enemy of every vision
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is lack of provision.
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And if you're tied down because of that provision, sometimes it takes a step of faith to actually
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act.
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And this is a step of faith, not a prayer of faith, a step of faith, right?
49:15
Because faith without works is dead.
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If we're just sitting here praying for God to give us an opportunity, but we're never
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taking a step on the opportunity, that ain't faith, right?
49:26
God's like, bro, I already gave you like seven of them.
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They keep coming by, right?
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But at some point, you got to take action.
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And when you have that mindset, then God can actually use you here on this earth for his
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kingdom to come here and now.
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And this is where I'd, again, just the entrepreneurship, the entrepreneurs, it resonates with us because
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I believe God is absolutely bringing money, bringing finances, the wealth of the world
49:55
back into the kingdom so that his ultimate purposes can be accomplished, right?
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You know, if he ain't returning until every ear has heard, dude, I consider that a freaking
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challenge.
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I'm like, let's get to work, but I'm not, I'm not an idiot in the fact that I don't
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know what it requires an incredible amount of money to make those things happen, right?
50:17
And I know you and I, dude, we have such a heart for children and sex trafficking.
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It's like the most wicked, gnarly stuff that is happening on this earth, like why do we
50:29
do something about it?
50:32
Individually people are like, I just, I don't, I mean, it takes money and I don't even
50:36
know who to talk to.
50:37
Tell you what, I know the people who to talk to, I know what it takes.
50:40
I know financially the amount of money it takes to save one child.
50:45
And when you have that conviction and it's like, okay, now I have to go make $100 million
50:52
this year.
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I have to go make a billion dollars in the next couple of years because that conviction,
50:58
which I believe is a God-given conviction, it's like that's the responsibility that
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I want.
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If, if, if that's what God, because we know God can do anything, but he's going to do
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it through man and it's going to take entrepreneurs to step up to the plate to actually be the
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pro vision for the God-given vision on this earth.
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Well, let's, let's actually talk more about provision because I feel like in every category.
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So let's just pick, pick a random industry, pick a random industry off top of your head,
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Riley.
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Like, manufacturing.
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Is that what you mean?
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Yeah, sure.
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Manufacturing.
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If you're wanting to get into the manufacturing game, you're going to think to yourself, okay,
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this is not only going to be time consuming, but this is going to be very expensive because
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I'm going to have to build big buildings.
51:43
I'm going to have to buy very expensive machinery.
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I'm going to have to pay people that have a lot of experience and know how on these machines
51:50
to run these machines, they're going to have to hire people under them that they can trust.
51:53
There's going to be a lot of training.
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There's a lot of regulations.
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There's a lot of safety protocols.
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There's a lot of blah, blah, blah.
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Okay.
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But I want, I want to be in manufacturing.
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Let's get after it.
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Pick an industry.
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And that's how people think.
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But when it comes to ministry, people find a new category somehow.
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And they think, well, yeah, you want to be in ministry and you want to accomplish all
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these things.
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Just pray to God.
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And I guess it'll just end up in your bank account somehow.
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And I don't want to belittle anybody because I literally, Riley, have heard stories about
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people that did not have the, and I even get like a little emotional thinking about these
52:25
stories, people that did not have the money in the bank to pay the mortgage.
52:30
They were going to be out on their butt with their little kids and they get a check in
52:34
the mail.
52:35
Like that stuff happens, like the bank makes a mistake and all of a sudden they have more
52:39
money in their account.
52:40
And they get to keep it.
52:41
I've heard these stories, right?
52:42
But that's not what I'm talking about.
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But when people are talking about kingdom work and ministry, I think they just expect,
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oh, well, you're Christian.
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So you don't need it.
52:49
I remember being pitched.
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I won't say the place because it'll give it away.
52:53
But there was a person that was running a camp in a particular state and they invited
52:57
me to come out and speak at this camp, which I get invited to speak at a lot of things
53:01
like that.
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But what they wanted me to do was go to this like four day excursion in the middle of the
53:07
woods to speak, I think it was seven or eight times for an hour of time and they wanted
53:13
me to pay my own way.
53:15
And I was like, wait, I must have missed something.
53:18
So you want me to take a week away from my family pretty much.
53:21
You want me to prepare eight hours worth of content and you want me to deliver it in the
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woods for free.
53:29
And it was like, yeah, I think you should do your job for free as well.
53:33
But people don't realize that at the end of the day, kingdom work is expensive.
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So I'm going to read this quote from the book and then we'll talk about it and that'll wrap
53:41
up our discussion of the book itself.
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In order to be Christians, Jesus has commanded us to be.
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It's incredibly expensive.
53:49
If I am to truly care for the needs of others, I not only need to be available.
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I also need to be able to afford to do so.
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Wait, what?
53:58
This was the revelation I so badly needed in what I believe so many others within the
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church need to hear as well.
54:05
We have some stuff that we're working on behind the scenes here at Undaunted Life that we're
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looking to roll out this year.
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And guess what?
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All that stuff's expensive.
54:13
All that stuff is going to require other people to be part of this.
54:16
And guess what? those people don't work for nothing, they work for a living.
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They work for money.
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They trade their time and talent for money.
54:23
But for whatever reason, Riley, there's almost like this brain contagion that if it's Christian,
54:29
you shouldn't need my money.
54:31
That if it's Christian, I shouldn't have to donate to you because God's just going to
54:34
provide to you.
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He's just going to sprinkle it over you.
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Maybe it's the name and claim it or the other way he said, which was funny, yeah, so just
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talk to me a little bit about that mindset because Kingdom work is expensive.
54:47
If the Tim Tebow foundation of their arm that rescues kids out of trafficking, the rescue
54:52
team, in order to do that, guess what?
54:53
It costs a lot of money.
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You know how I know that specifically?
54:56
Again, I know this kind of a long set up to a question, but I'm getting you revved up.
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But I talked to somebody on that team.
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They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a kid out of trafficking, right?
55:09
What they did is they put the money in escrow.
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But then they had a hacker that was able to get the money back, but they couldn't have
55:15
put it in the account if the money was not there to begin with, right?
55:19
So they took possession of the girl and then they took the possession of the money back.
55:25
But then also there was a specific hacker that had to get paid to do this type of thing.
55:29
And they're not the only company here, the only organization that does this, there are
55:32
companies doing that all over the place.
55:34
But without that money, that girl is probably still in captivity.
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She could be dead now.
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And so I just don't really get the mindset.
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But anyway, I'm rambling on a little bit too far with the question, but just talk to me
55:45
a little bit about this, this disconnect for people and how expensive kingdom work can
55:49
be.
55:50
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is where again, I think the enemy has done a great job at infiltrating our minds,
55:55
right?
55:56
And here's the thing, the enemy cannot block your blessing.
55:59
He can't, he literally can't do it, but he can infiltrate your mindset and still a little
56:04
bit of doubt.
56:05
And then it causes us to block our blessing.
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This is what happened in the garden.
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And man fell, he didn't, he didn't like make Eve bite the apple.
56:13
He just said, did God really say that?
56:16
And then she went down a spiral rabbit trail.
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It's just like, ah, and then here we are, right?
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He didn't make anything happen.
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He just, and he, he took power of what he could do and that was doubt, right?
56:29
And so many of us doubt.
56:31
And that's where I think the, the root of a lot of things, pride, ego is where a lot
56:37
of things come into effect here to, to when we're trying to further the kingdom, like
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kingdom advancement here.
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And you had mentioned the, the, the parable of the good Samaritan, which is one of the
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most impactful stories in the Bible that, that has had on my life and it was, we knew.
56:57
And I just read this, this, ah, ah, quote by Margaret Thatcher recently, which is fascinating
57:04
because I, when I read this, the parable of the good Samaritan, then I all of a sudden
57:08
I, I saw Jesus's commandment right afterwards and he said to go and do likewise.
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And I was like, oh, it is incredibly expensive to be that person, to be the type of Christian.
57:19
Jesus literally commanded to be that takes provision.
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And that's what unlocked me four years ago of like, okay, it was now my permission to
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go create wealth, right?
57:31
And, and Margaret Thatcher had this quote, she said, if the good Samaritan only had
57:35
good intentions, probably that story probably went to even made the Bible, right?
57:41
But he had provision, he had the ability.
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And this is what I think is so epic is that he had to have even planned for this, right?
57:49
And this is where when, when I say we're serving money in our poverty, we're, we're typically,
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and this happens with everybody, not just Christians, but we are level, our, our lifestyle
58:03
always meets the level of our income, right?
58:06
So it's like, we get a raise and all of a sudden the next month, it's like we're out
58:09
of money again, we get a raise out of money again, and it's, it's this, it's this worldly
58:13
nature that we have versus, you know, the Samaritan, it's like, he had money, right?
58:19
And he's traveling.
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This is my, just my, again, my spin on it.
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I don't know how accurate this is, but I'm just like, the dude had to be in a business
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man.
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Like he's, he's traveling, he's got a donkey, he's got supplies, he's traveling through,
58:31
he sees the Samaritan and he's like, oh snap, I got to ban the just guy up, takes care
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of him, puts him in the in, pays for him.
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If he didn't have extra margin, we'll even call it.
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And this is where I think if we could understand that we serve a God of, of what I believe
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is margin, right?
58:48
Not just like just enough.
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A lot of people are thinking that it's just enough.
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Like I can't even afford to tithe because I only have enough for this.
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It's like, well, if that's your mindset, then I would argue you can't afford not to
59:01
tithe because I do know that God will do way more with that 90% than you can do with 100%
59:08
of any and all of your efforts, right?
59:11
And so it's, and this is just comes back to this, this mindset shift, but also putting
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our hearts disposition in a place where it's like, it's, it's since it's the beginning
59:21
of the year, man.
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It's fresh in my mind.
59:23
So many people are setting, you know, they set goals.
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They said, you know, this is what I want to make this year and earn this year.
59:31
And one thing I come to realize and learn a few years ago is that from here on out, I
59:36
never set an income goal without setting a giving goal first.
59:41
And if, if that's just a quick little mindset shift where it's like, okay, my goal this
59:47
year, our goal this year is to give $1 million.
59:51
And the only way that I know that that can happen is if I make more than a million dollars,
59:55
right?
59:56
So many of us set an income goal to make a million dollars and then we'll give what we,
1:00:01
what we have left over where if we just shift this a little bit, right, it doesn't have
1:00:06
to be drastic.
1:00:07
But it's like, even if your goal is I want to give $1,000 this year, that may be a stretch
1:00:11
for some of you.
1:00:12
It's like, but now it's a different goal than making $100,000, right?
1:00:18
And now we're working towards something that's actually kingdom based, not worldly based,
1:00:25
right?
1:00:26
Because there's so many principles in the Bible that say we reap what we sow, right?
1:00:30
And it's like, if we understand that, that if we want to, and here's the thing, we don't
1:00:35
ever just on that, we don't ever give to get, right?
1:00:39
That's not a kingdom mindset.
1:00:42
But when we give, it puts us in a position to receive.
1:00:47
That's a kingdom to understand in mindsets, like I don't give to get, right?
1:00:52
Even though that is a biblical principle, right?
1:00:56
Whatever you give, if it's life and death in the words that you're speaking, right?
1:01:00
You're going to reap what you sow, right?
1:01:03
But if my mindset and my heart's disposition is now that I'm going to give, I know that
1:01:08
I'm going to get, but it's not because it's not the reason why I'm giving, but it is putting
1:01:13
me in a position to receive what our almighty creator wants to give.
1:01:20
And now our heart is not chasing after the things of the world, but it's chasing after
1:01:26
things of the kingdom.
1:01:27
We're now storing up treasures in heaven versus trying to store up wealth on this earth, right?
1:01:35
In this time that we're walking this earth right now.
1:01:37
But literally everything that we're talking about Kyle comes back to the mindset.
1:01:44
And if we'd understand that this is, yes, to be saved, right, to experience salvation,
1:01:53
it is to believe in our heart and then speak with our mouth, right?
1:02:00
That's how we experience salvation.
1:02:01
We believe in our heart, but then we speak, a repentance prayer, we speak, and that's how
1:02:07
we experience salvation.
1:02:08
And so the only way that that happens though, we can believe in our heart, but if I never
1:02:11
have a kingdom mindset shift, I'm never going to speak the words of life in my life.
1:02:16
And so if we can control this, right, this is, this is where a lot of things begin and
1:02:21
end in the believer's life in anybody's life is this mindset, but it's not just think positive,
1:02:26
think positive, think positive, it is, it is think kingdom, Jesus is rule and reign in
1:02:31
our life.
1:02:32
And that's where it boils down to even just the mentality that you mentioned that Christians
1:02:39
are expected to give things for free.
1:02:42
And this is partly why I believe so much, you know, Christian, you know, businesses and
1:02:48
the products they put out are crappy, like it's unfortunate.
1:02:52
It's, I mean, it's not even joke, it's not even laughable, it truly does break my heart
1:02:58
because again, if we're supposed to be image bears of our creator, we should be putting
1:03:02
them out the most excellent product, the most, the most incredible services.
1:03:08
And that again, comes back to mindset, like if, hey, if we're not doing everything that
1:03:13
we do in excellence, as Colossians says to whatever we do, work as if you're working
1:03:17
for the Lord, that means that last sales call, you ain't working for the boss, you ain't
1:03:22
even working for yourself, you're working for God.
1:03:24
So do it with excellence.
1:03:25
That last law and you're supposed to mow, do it with excellence.
1:03:29
Did you skip the tree trimming?
1:03:30
Do it with excellence.
1:03:31
And that mentality will you will reap what you sow if you are doing nothing but putting
1:03:37
out excellence because the world can't help, they can't help it, but be attracted to excellence.
1:03:43
And when we have that mindset as believers, that's where the kingdom culture can actually
1:03:46
flourish and we can actually have no minion.
1:03:49
Yeah, guys, we have to remember we were working for an audience of one and I've said this
1:03:53
a lot and I'll repeat it.
1:03:54
I give just as much effort today to preparing a podcast interview as I did with my first
1:03:59
interview back on episode 100.
1:04:01
My solo episodes, I give the same level of effort as I did back in 2017 when we started
1:04:06
this thing.
1:04:07
And that was back when we had essentially no audience and then in December, we were in
1:04:10
the top 150 out of all five and a half plus million shows on Spotify, but it's putting
1:04:15
out the same amount of effort.
1:04:16
Now that doesn't mean if you put out the same amount of effort that that's all you need.
1:04:20
You know, you do need some talent, you need some skill and you need some luck, but the
1:04:23
best thing I ever heard was like, luck is the residue of hard work.
1:04:27
And so some people that get lucky, they are overnight sensations that have been doing the
1:04:31
thing for 10 years or whatever.
1:04:33
But that's the book, the kingdom entrepreneur.
1:04:34
I'm looking at the clock.
1:04:35
We're running out of time here, but I always like to ask you any time I see you, it's always
1:04:39
what are you working on now?
1:04:40
Because you've got King's council, you got some other stuff, but you always got like
1:04:45
irons in the fire and it's typically stuff that I don't understand.
1:04:49
And so I have to ask a lot of follow-up questions because I'm not very smart.
1:04:52
But like, what are you working on now?
1:04:54
Is there anything you got going that's interesting?
1:04:56
Yeah, man.
1:04:57
There's so many things.
1:04:58
As entrepreneurs, a lot of people tell you to follow your passion.
1:05:00
You'll never work a day in your life.
1:05:03
I think that's a moronic because you still have to provide, right?
1:05:06
A lot of people are passionate about stuff that doesn't make money.
1:05:09
So I follow opportunities.
1:05:11
And so head on a swivel.
1:05:13
I'm always looking for opportunities, right?
1:05:16
And then my job is to vet those things out and see like, does this have legs?
1:05:20
Does this make sense?
1:05:21
One of the things that I've struggled with was taking on too many opportunities because
1:05:26
then I can't operate in excellence.
1:05:28
If I'm, you know, so bogged down with too many ions in the fire, we'll call it, right?
1:05:33
So this year, we're focusing on a handful of big projects of things that are really going
1:05:41
to impact people on a whole new level.
1:05:44
And one, a big one now, I'll just share with you, man, we've launched a pharmacy, a membership
1:05:50
based pharmacy.
1:05:51
It's called America's First Pharmacy.
1:05:55
And just knowing diving into being a part of someone of the, you know, the in that health
1:06:00
industry, we'll call it the, and seeing medicine and a lot of the corruption that's taking
1:06:05
place because a lot of it is driven by the almighty dollar.
1:06:09
They're literally serving mammon, not God.
1:06:12
We've realized that there is, there is, there are solutions here to people that need medications
1:06:18
that just don't have the financial means to get it, whether they don't have health insurance
1:06:22
that covers it, or even their, their deductibles and things or their co-pays, excuse me, are
1:06:28
so high to afford these things.
1:06:30
So we've literally structured a pharmacy, man, that's a membership based pharmacy.
1:06:35
We have over 800 medications in this right now and more coming that are completely free.
1:06:41
FREE completely free as long as you got a membership with us.
1:06:46
And a membership, bro, is 20 bucks a month.
1:06:48
And so, and this isn't like, I know there's good RX and those out there that are like,
1:06:52
oh, you still get, you get them at a discount.
1:06:54
No, no, no, these are free for a single membership.
1:06:58
It's 20 bucks a month for a family membership.
1:07:00
It's only 30 bucks a month.
1:07:01
And all of your medications, assuming there are some of the 800 that we have now are free
1:07:07
direct ship to you.
1:07:09
We do these in 90 day supplies as well.
1:07:13
Or if you have an acute thing, you got to be like, I need it today, I can't wait for
1:07:16
it to be shipped tomorrow.
1:07:18
You can literally walk into the majority over 60,000 pharmacies that we have networked
1:07:23
with throughout the country.
1:07:24
And so I think it's going to help keep money in the kingdom economy here, not these corrupt
1:07:30
PBMs and these pharmaceutical benefit companies that are all just scapegoats for political
1:07:39
things that are taking place.
1:07:41
So we're keeping money in the kingdom economy and then we're also able to provide these
1:07:46
medications.
1:07:47
I'm not a huge proponent of medications.
1:07:48
Like if you don't have to take a medication, I think if they're over prescribed majority
1:07:51
of the time, then don't do it, right?
1:07:54
Take care of your health, most importantly, but there are certain things that medication
1:07:57
are needed.
1:07:58
Sometimes an antibiotic is needed.
1:08:00
All of those are included within this membership that we have available.
1:08:04
So it's America first pharmacy, bro.
1:08:07
So I'm going to violate our agreement on time here because I have a follow up question.
1:08:10
I almost never do this because I hate when people are made late because of other people.
1:08:14
So just one quick follow up on that because I just want to make sure I'm following you.
1:08:17
So this is like, okay, so they have a subscription through you all.
1:08:23
And if the the medication that they need that they have to regularly take or whatever is
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all on y'all's list, then they can just opt.
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Hey, I want that one.
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I want that one.
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Do they get like one medication for that for that 20 or 30 bucks a month?
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Do they get whatever medications that that they need?
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Like what if it's opioids and it's post surgery?
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Like what?
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Yeah.
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I guess like what are some more than details?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So first off, you can go to americafurstpharmacy.com and do a drug search on there and just see
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if your medication is on the list.
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We've got a whole list on there, you know, narcotics, opiates, things like that that
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are more controlled substances.
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We don't have those like readily available.
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We can get them at a definite discount.
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Now here's the deal.
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You still have to have a prescription, right?
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So we're not like breaking laws or anything here.
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You have a prescription from your doctor that says, I need a lot of pain, right?
1:09:16
Blood pressure medication, Losartan, I need even an antibiotic, amoxicillin.
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I need this for, we're sick right now.
1:09:24
We have those, right?
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You still have to have a prescription.
1:09:28
We're working, launching here soon to have a full blown telehealth telemedicine where
1:09:33
you can meet with the doctor and get a prescription.
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But at this point, it is, if you have the prescription and it's on the list, you could
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have one.
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You could have 35 prescriptions for 20 bucks a month.
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It is completely free.
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Just your $20 a month membership.
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It's a pretty good deal, dude.
1:09:51
I know it sounds too good to me, true.
1:09:53
I have more questions, but we're out of time.
1:09:55
We're going to have to leave it there.
1:09:57
Riley, I would normally ask you, is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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But I know, in fact, that there is somebody else waiting on you right now.
1:10:02
So I'm not even going to say that.
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So I'm just going to say thank you and we'll talk to you again soon.
1:10:06
All right.
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Later, brother.
1:10:08
There you go, guys.
1:10:09
I hope you enjoyed the return appearance of Riley Meek on the show, but before we let
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1:10:19
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1:10:22
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1:10:24
The Kingdom Entrepreneur.
1:10:25
Also, I've got a link to the King's Council page, so you can check that out and his appearance
1:10:29
on episode 355 of this podcast.
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