RYLEE MEEK | The King, Entrepreneurship, & Money (Ep. 355)

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0:18 This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.

0:21 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

0:23 Let's get into it.

0:24 All right, guys, I've got a special guest on the podcast today.

0:26 His name is Riley Meek.

0:27 So Riley is an entrepreneur, an author, and a speaker, and he runs the Kings Council.

0:31 So the Kings Council, it's a community of high achievers, right?

0:34 So you've seen some things like this before, but it's high achievers, entrepreneurs, athletes,

0:38 leaders, you know, people that are really getting after it, but they are people that are focused

0:42 on discovering and deploying their God-given talents, okay?

0:47 And so that's the thing with a lot of these different groups where it's like, oh, you know,

0:50 hey, you read this self-help book and now you're going to come be a part of this group and

0:53 we're going to hop on Zoom or something like that.

0:55 There's no real scaffolding, there's no real direction or something like that.

0:59 But this is literally so that you can deploy your God-given talents so that, you know,

1:03 while you're here on this earth, you can squeeze out literally every single little bit of who

1:08 you are to serve Christ the King, to serve God.

1:11 Like that's really what they're out here doing.

1:13 So he also has a podcast by the same name, the Kings Council as well.

1:17 He's got the upper room, which is a mastermind group, which I didn't know about until we

1:21 did the podcast interview.

1:22 So that's a kingdom entrepreneur mastermind.

1:24 So it's literally, it's a mastermind group, but it is for kingdom entrepreneurs.

1:28 But he did something actually really special in this podcast.

1:30 So again, this is a guy that is an entrepreneur.

1:33 He's done incredibly, incredibly well in business.

1:34 And, you know, we talked a little bit off, off air about some different things that he's

1:37 working on.

1:38 It's really, really awesome.

1:39 But he made an offer just to our undaunted life listeners that is incredibly, incredibly

1:44 unique.

1:45 So I don't really want to take his thunder.

1:46 It's about, I think it's about 45, 50 minutes into the podcast, but it has to do with the

1:50 upper room mastermind group.

1:52 So I don't want to, you know, basically steal any of his thunder because again, I wasn't,

1:55 I didn't know that he was going to do this.

1:57 So it was really cool.

1:58 But when we got into the interview, I thought it was great, the different things that we

2:01 talked about because I've never had anyone on here that was just strictly like an entrepreneur,

2:05 kind of building out things because a lot of those people are really squishy and they

2:08 just, I don't know, like everything is kind of a bumper sticker slogan or something like

2:13 that.

2:14 But Riley, I'm glad he was kind of the first person to come and talk about this because

2:17 he's expanded my understanding of what entrepreneurship is and how it goes kind of beyond your

2:22 wiring as a person, but specifically what it means to be a faith based entrepreneur and

2:26 not just faith of any faith, but being a Christ centered gospel centered entrepreneur.

2:31 What does that look like?

2:32 Because a lot of people think, you know, Christian shouldn't be making money from other Christians

2:35 and maybe Christian shouldn't be making money at all because money is the root of all evil

2:39 as opposed to the love of money or the worship of money being at the root of all evil.

2:43 So we talked about that dichotomy there, but we got into a lot of other subjects.

2:47 Like I asked him about the prosperity gospel.

2:49 I'm just kind of looking at my notes here, like the prosperity gospel and how a lot of

2:52 people think like whenever Christians are talking about money and then they start, you

2:56 know, they become a Christian and then they start doing well in business.

2:58 How, you know, that's really dangerous.

2:59 So we get into that, how God really doesn't need our money, but also like how our kingdom

3:04 entrepreneurs feeding themselves, like who are they around?

3:08 What are they doing?

3:09 What are they studying?

3:10 What's their focus?

3:11 And there was a lot of other stuff that we talked about.

3:12 So guys, I don't want to keep them from you any longer.

3:13 So without further ado, let's get into it.

3:17 Riley meek, welcome to a Daunton life of man's podcast.

3:20 Hey, brother, happy to be here.

3:21 Hey, now you flexed off camera before the interview.

3:24 Are you willing to do it now that we've got a record?

3:28 Boom.

3:29 Let's go.

3:30 Guys, for those of you just listening to this, he's got beautiful tan biceps.

3:33 So I had to make sure that he showed them off.

3:34 But I'm excited to have you on Riley because whenever I'm looking at different interviews

3:38 and bringing people on, you know, there is a type of guests that I really like to bring

3:43 on that I know my audience is going to love.

3:45 They love it when I talk to guys that are retired military.

3:48 They love it when I talk to these best-selling authors and things like that.

3:51 But I always tried to find people that are unique to a particular category.

3:54 Like I've had a magician on here before.

3:56 I've had, you know, a theologian and I've had all a bunch of different things.

4:00 The one thing that I never really had is somebody that part of their brand is just being an

4:05 entrepreneur in general.

4:07 Now, we'll get way more into kind of what you feel like is the scaffolding underneath

4:11 why you want to be a successful entrepreneur.

4:15 But let's just kind of talk about that in general because you're speaking to an audience

4:18 that is, I would say mostly people that are working kind of your typical nine to five,

4:23 you know, putting in the hours, maybe they're in the cubicle, maybe they're in the cubicle

4:26 right now.

4:27 Listen to this.

4:28 We appreciate you guys.

4:29 But that's kind of what they're doing and maybe what they're wired for, but you're doing

4:32 something else.

4:33 And that's kind of what entrepreneurs are like.

4:35 So let's just talk about entrepreneurship.

4:37 You go.

4:38 Dude, how much time do I have because I can, I can roll with this.

4:42 We got all the time, I'll interrupt you if you start sounding dumb.

4:46 Perfect.

4:47 I love it, man.

4:48 Well, first off, entrepreneurship, I always, people always have a preconceived idea or

4:55 what they think is their own understanding or definition of entrepreneurship.

4:58 So let's get this out the gates like foundationally entrepreneurship.

5:03 What I believe and when I speak of it, this is where I'm coming from, entrepreneurship

5:07 is simply a mindset that we have here, and what I mean by that, if you actually go to

5:12 the root word of entrepreneur, it is a French word, I'm not even going to try to say it,

5:19 but it's like, all right, I'm going to try to say it.

5:21 All right.

5:22 It's like entre prandre.

5:23 Sound good.

5:24 Yeah.

5:25 Really?

5:26 So entre prandre, all that literally means is to undertake, right?

5:33 That's the root word of entrepreneur means to undertake.

5:36 So if you're an undertaker, you can be an employee.

5:40 You can have a nine to five job, whatever it is.

5:43 You can be a stay at home mom and stay at home dad and be an undertaker, right?

5:48 So that's, that's the idea of entrepreneurship is that I'm willing to undertake the task

5:53 at hand, whatever the heck that is, right?

5:55 If it's raising your kids, if it's sparring on the mat, whatever it is, like we're going

6:00 to go at this as an entrepreneur.

6:03 And that's really how I've approached life since the age of 15.

6:07 And that's essentially what started my, my kind of journey of entrepreneurship man was

6:12 when I, when I took my first job at, so I was 15 years old, I grew up in South Dakota.

6:18 Okay.

6:19 Shout out to the 14 people in South Dakota.

6:21 No.

6:22 South Dakota, that the only, the time I grew up in was like 900 people.

6:27 The only job, the opportunity that I had to make money was, was at our gas station.

6:32 It was to make pizza.

6:33 And it was for $5.15 an hour.

6:36 And I thought, all right, this is what I got to do.

6:38 I worked in eight hour shift.

6:40 And then I was like, there's no way in hell I'm doing that again.

6:43 Right.

6:44 And it was, it was a, that point in time was that mindset shift in, in the real realization

6:49 for me was what got me was from an entrepreneurial mindset, it was that somebody put that dollar

6:56 amount on my time, right?

6:58 And not even that, that they did that, but it was that I allowed it, right?

7:02 I knew even at a young age, not in an arrogant way, but I knew that my time was worth more

7:06 than $5.15 an hour.

7:09 Right.

7:10 And that, that's what started my journey to, of really what this entrepreneurship lifestyle

7:14 has, has been like over the last, what am I, 37 now, man.

7:19 So for the last like 22 years or so, it has really just been like, all right, what, what

7:24 is the task at hand?

7:25 And I'm going to crush.

7:26 I'm going to do whatever.

7:27 I'm going to be my best version of excellence.

7:29 And it doesn't mean that I win everything or I'm, you know, quote unquote, successful

7:33 at everything, but I'm going to be excellent in everything that I put my hands to.

7:37 And in that truly is, was what I believe entrepreneurship is, willing to take risks, right?

7:41 Willing to roll the dice that others aren't.

7:44 And if we are, if we continually be the, those trailblazers in the entrepreneurship space,

7:49 we're the ones that are going to change the world, right?

7:51 It's not the, some, somebody that's just sitting around collecting a paycheck, sitting in the

7:54 cubicle, no offense if you're in a cubicle, cubicle, but I am going to challenge you

7:57 on this podcast to, to think bigger.

8:00 Like there's more to life than just sitting in your cubicle working this nine to five

8:05 right now.

8:06 There's absolutely more to life you are called to greatness because greatness is what created

8:10 you.

8:11 And, and, and that's really the mindset that we have, everything that we do, man starts

8:16 with our mindset.

8:17 And then from there, once we've conquered that, dude, we can do anything from there.

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8:52 So so Riley, let's dig into that a little bit further because I've said on, on my show

8:56 before that there are people that are wired for entrepreneurism and their own thing.

9:02 And then if you put them into cubicle, it's like putting, you know, a tiger in a cage

9:06 just like they just can't stand it.

9:08 But the same is true in the adverse where you have people that are in the cubicle that

9:11 they, they read the self-help books and they watch the TED talks and they're like, I can

9:15 be that I can do that.

9:17 But they're not exactly wired for it, right?

9:20 So I would be the person that says in kind of the strict definition, the non fringe definition

9:24 of an entrepreneur, somebody that takes a business risk to create their own thing that

9:29 not everyone is built for that and perhaps the mundane nature of that cubicle job that

9:34 we'll use, I guess as our central example, maybe that's where God wants them to be and

9:39 we'll get more into the faith element here in a second, but like maybe that's where they're

9:41 supposed to be.

9:42 They're supposed to be in that cubicle, like they're, they're doing something that is

9:46 well within their wiring and they don't necessarily need to get distracted with the latest self-help

9:51 book.

9:52 That's seven ways to become a millionaire by Friday.

9:54 You know what I mean?

9:55 Yes.

9:56 100% know what you mean, man.

9:58 And dude, there's so much that I even want to unpack on what you just said because I really

10:03 do believe and maybe this would be where we disagree a little bit.

10:07 I do believe we are born entrepreneurs.

10:10 Okay.

10:11 Now, let's again go back to what entrepreneur, I'm not talking about going to scale a business

10:15 or take a risk, roll the dice to blow up your new app or whatever that is.

10:19 Yeah, which is where people think of that's where people's mind goes, right?

10:22 Exactly.

10:23 So what I'm talking about though, I believe we're born entrepreneurs.

10:26 We are born undertakers really dating back to creation.

10:32 What we were created to do was to work, right?

10:35 And it was to co-create with our creator.

10:39 That's part of our like God given mandate to go forth, to be fruitful, to multiply, to

10:44 have dominion on this earth.

10:46 And so what happens, particularly in this last century, right, and this is what, dude,

10:51 I geek out to this so much, just think about like over the last 2000 years, different segments

10:57 of society and of culture and what's taken place from really, here's a stat that you'll

11:04 like, man, in 1913, 97% of Americans were entrepreneurs, meaning they owned their own

11:11 business of some sort in 1913, 97%, that is in 3% were actually employees, right?

11:20 That's been completely reversed right now in 2022.

11:23 3% of Americans are entrepreneurs and 97% are employees.

11:29 And so what's happened is as we've seen, you know, through the Industrial Revolution, it

11:35 was like smart people, wealthy people realized, snap, I need some, I need some workers.

11:40 I need some worker bees, I need to create employees, I need people that don't think

11:45 for themselves.

11:46 Again, this isn't a shot if you're an employee, I'm talking about an employee mindset versus

11:51 an entrepreneur mindset, that just will, will do what we say.

11:55 When the bell rings, they'll take a seat.

11:57 When it rings again, they've got a 15 minute water break, right?

12:01 I'm talking about the school system today and how we completely been indoctrinated from

12:06 the time we turned five entered kindergarten on working on basically creating employees

12:16 and putting, oppressing, I'm going to even call it, this idea of thinking for ourselves,

12:22 thinking outside of the box, like, you know, and dude, a prime example of this is the Lego

12:27 company.

12:28 I don't know if you want me to go down this road, but this is where I'll take you, Kyle.

12:32 The Lego company in the 1980s was freaking going bankrupt, right?

12:37 Now they're a multi-billion dollar company, 1980s, they're going bankrupt because if you

12:41 remember Legos when you and I were little, it was like, you just got upset of them and

12:45 you had to do what, create, you had to think outside of the box, I'm going to build the

12:49 city, I'm going to build the car, whatever it was, you had to build something from scratch

12:54 entrepreneur mindset.

12:55 In the 80s, through now, what has been probably two generations, essentially of kids going

13:02 through this indoctrination process of like, don't think for yourself, do what I tell

13:07 you, follow directions and that's ultimately when the Lego company was like, all right,

13:15 what are we going to do here?

13:16 Lo and behold, you can't buy a Lego set today, you buy a Lego kit that gives you turn by

13:22 turn, step one, do this, step two, do this, step three, open the next top bag.

13:29 It's literally, so Lego company realized and props to them, man, they realized they had

13:36 to, people don't buy what they need, they buy what they want, right, from a sales standpoint.

13:42 They had to produce something that people wanted and they wanted step-by-step instructions

13:46 on what to do, how to do it, when to do it, to build this beautiful pirate ship or whatever

13:52 the crap it was that they're building and it's just a proof of the indoctrination or

13:58 just the creativity that has been taken outside of the school system that has produced employees

14:04 aka 97% of our population now versus the 3% of outside the box thinkers, creative thinkers

14:13 that are not willing to just do what others are telling to do, to not be that sheep led

14:19 to slaughter, right, but to actually undertake to take whatever it is that task at hand and

14:25 to actually go at it with excellence.

14:27 Okay, so I feel like you're pulling me towards your point of view a little bit, which I don't

14:35 like that necessarily because I want to be firmly entrenched in my position, no, a couple

14:40 of quick things.

14:41 Number one, I love how people from your area say like things like bag or tag or like I

14:47 just love, it just comes out like there's nothing you can do to stop it.

14:50 So that's the first thing.

14:51 Second thing, I'm going to go back to the school system, okay.

14:53 So that's kind of where you really first started getting me to maybe come over to your point

14:57 of view is because our school system and I know a lot of people done a lot of thinking

15:01 on this and a lot of writing on this and so I'm kind of giving a short shrift, but the

15:05 school is trying to like basically systematize employee mindsets, right, like let's get these

15:13 people to know these particular things in this particular order and we'll build upon

15:18 it.

15:19 And the best you can do like I remember this kid named Nick that it was in my third grade

15:23 class that he was advanced in math and so he was doing sixth grade math and third grade.

15:29 And so that's your best bet in school is that you're advanced in a subject and then, you

15:33 know, for an hour a day, you go to the big kids class and do something a little bit more

15:36 advanced, but there certainly isn't this encouragement of thinking for yourself, of thinking outside

15:43 the box and to a degree, if you only have a chaotic, you know, schooling system that just

15:47 lets kids run ragged and you know, it's kind of like this open, you know, open free range,

15:52 like parenting and teacher style, that's not great either.

15:55 At some point you got to sit down and learn the boring stuff so you can have that scaffolding.

16:00 But I guess talk to me about that's just kind of the way it is though, Riley, like that's

16:04 if your kids are in the government schools, right, otherwise known as the public schools,

16:09 that's what you're going to get.

16:10 Something a little bit different from a charter school or a private school, certainly home

16:14 school, you can do that, but then you don't get as much of the interaction with the outside

16:18 world.

16:19 And so you're not getting those lessons that you learn in the hallways or in the bathroom

16:22 at school versus, you know, the other stuff.

16:24 So kind of get into the school thing about it as well, because I can tell you've thought

16:27 about that a lot.

16:28 Oh, yeah, man.

16:29 Well, first off, I would even challenge you.

16:30 Do you want those lessons in the hallway in the bathroom?

16:33 Do you want your child to have those lessons, especially, right?

16:36 Oh, and like that's where we'll definitely disagree because like, dude, I went through

16:40 a pretty rough school in a decently rough area.

16:43 And so like, you know, hey, shut up, Riley, but like that's the thing is like learning

16:49 how to talk to somebody that is from a different background than you, different worldview.

16:54 Learning how to talk your way out of a fight, learning how to defend somebody that is smaller

16:58 than you.

16:59 If your classmates are your brother and your sister and your teacher, his mom or dad, you're

17:02 not going to get as much of that.

17:03 And look, I'm not hating on the home school community.

17:05 I tell everybody you have two options for schooling, vetted private Christian school.

17:10 Or home school.

17:11 But for me personally, I just think about all of the life lessons and how I interact with

17:15 people that didn't have anything to do with chemistry class.

17:18 Oh, 100%.

17:19 I do agree with you on that.

17:21 I absolutely do agree with you on that.

17:25 That being said, I growing up, man, I never in my life thought I would ever homeschool

17:31 our daughter because the homeschool kids are weirdos.

17:34 Right?

17:35 Yeah.

17:36 That's the claim.

17:37 Right? That's the claim, right? That was my thought.

17:40 Obviously, 2020 went down and radically changed a lot of things.

17:46 Right?

17:47 So I think a lot of people's perspective on schooling and homeschooling and all that had

17:52 had absolutely changed and there's so many more opportunities, I guess, now that have

17:59 been creative.

18:00 If there's anything good out of the 2020 situation that it's created opportunities.

18:05 And again, as an entrepreneur, head on a swivel, we're constantly looking for like, how can

18:09 I capitalize on whatever is at hand?

18:11 How can I undertake whatever is at hand?

18:14 So that being said, I have a 10 year old daughter.

18:17 She this last year, we, we homeschooled her.

18:22 So the year prior to that, she was in a private Christian school, which is phenomenal school,

18:26 truthfully, it was really, really great school.

18:28 And we decided to homeschool her.

18:31 And which to this, my stance on this is if you are able to homeschool your child, meaning,

18:39 you know, a lot of homes are our two person household incomes, different things like that.

18:44 If you're in a situation where you can actually school your child, raise your child up in

18:49 the way that they should go, I 100% believe that you should do that, okay? 100%.

18:54 That being said, we put our, we're putting our daughter back in this private Christian

18:58 school this year.

18:59 Like one year of homeschooling, it was great.

19:01 It served us in our lifestyle of travel and just, you know, the chaos of business and part

19:07 of being an entrepreneur.

19:09 So it was, it was incredible time.

19:12 Ellie really liked it, but she did miss because, you know, we brought, pulled her in on these

19:17 conversations to ultimately we're making the deciding the decision for her as it is our

19:22 responsibility as parents, but we pulled her in of like, what do you, what did you like?

19:26 What did you not like?

19:27 And you know, she did miss.

19:28 Like, I really just miss school lunch dad and it's like, okay, yeah, I can appreciate

19:34 that.

19:35 Now, I don't think that that's necessarily a strong enough reason to put her back into

19:39 school, but let's talk about that.

19:40 And we were able to hear her side of it.

19:42 I got to go meet with the new principle that they brought in and talk about entrepreneurship

19:49 and all the different things that, that they're providing this school.

19:52 And I, we actually made the decision to put her back into, again, it's a private Christian

19:57 community, a school that has, that teaches a lot of the principles that we believe in

20:01 foundationally what, what we believe and what would be great.

20:04 So I'm with you on that, man.

20:05 I do get it, but there are so many opportunities for homeschool parents right now to actually

20:09 put their kids in those situations to have those conversations in the hallways that you're

20:14 talking about.

20:15 And, and you know, we had Ellie and, you know, we're busier as homeschool parents than we

20:20 were freaking prior to, right?

20:22 Because we were intentionally putting her in situations, you know, socially and, and just

20:28 to make sure that all of that is, is developing.

20:30 She's not just one of those weirdos that you and I grew up with, right?

20:33 Well, no, like you're, you're making a lot of great points and to degree, I'm going to

20:37 say this and then we're going to get off this subject because Riley, like a month ago,

20:41 I mentioned young earth creation for like 45 seconds on my podcast and the problems I have

20:47 with it and the emails I've been getting just, boom, boom, boom, boom, you need to look

20:51 at this guy.

20:52 I wanted us just like, ah, so I don't need every homeschooler on the planet sending me

20:57 angry emails or you need to talk to this guy.

20:59 You need to do all that.

21:00 Like I love you guys, but I don't have time to do that.

21:02 But my thing that I would say, the thing that is interesting to me, at least on the homeschool

21:06 front, I know one dad in particular, his boys, he has two boys and I have two boys, but there,

21:11 his boys are like, you know, eight and 10 or something like that.

21:14 They were in the government run schools until 2020.

21:16 He was not happy with, with all that stuff.

21:18 So they took their kids out and did homeschool and he fell in love with the entire process.

21:22 Now he works and, you know, his wife is, you know, loves doing that kind of thing.

21:26 So obviously personalities come into play here, but the cool thing for them is one kid

21:31 is a little bit more artistic, a little bit more free thinking and creative.

21:37 And the other is very tactical and compartmentalized and he likes order in those things.

21:42 And so they're able to kind of like really make their education systems lean towards

21:49 those areas because like, does the artistic kid need to know how to do math?

21:53 Yes.

21:54 But do they need to go all the way through to calculus?

21:56 Probably not.

21:57 And like, you know, the systems kid, does he need to be spending a whole lot of time

22:00 painting?

22:01 No, he could probably paint a little bit so that he can at least have the experience.

22:05 But that's the one thing.

22:07 And also Jiu Jitsu is a part of these young kids lives and baseball and they're able to

22:11 kind of create a life around that now that they're still kind of in the early stages.

22:14 So yeah, again, like I said, I'm all for two things, vetted Christian private school

22:19 and also homeschool.

22:20 But you know, that's not always an option for a lot of people.

22:23 But right now, what our kids are being fed in class is certainly not coming from a Christian

22:28 worldview.

22:29 So maybe I can try that as my segue here, because the interesting thing you for you,

22:33 Riley, is you are an entrepreneur and you've expanded my definition of entrepreneur today.

22:39 So you can at least check that box, but you're, you're a faith based entrepreneur.

22:43 So what undergirds everything that you do is a Judeo-Christian ethic, a Christian worldview.

22:50 Guys, if you're not watching this on Rumble or on YouTube, he has a shirt that says Jesus

22:53 is king across the front and that doesn't seem to just be a marketing tactic.

22:57 But everything that you do, and I've heard you say this before in some of our personal

23:01 conversations is for building up the kingdom.

23:05 And that's Riley where a lot of people get really, really uncomfortable because the moment

23:10 you start talking about money, if you're a pastor, people are sending angry emails and

23:14 they're walking out, oh, they only want my money and all these different things.

23:18 And there is this kind of dichotomy in people's brains, like, okay, there's the entrepreneurs,

23:22 there's the Bezos and there's the Bill Gates is and there's those people.

23:25 And then there's the godly people that apparently just need to be poor in order to prove how

23:30 virtuous they are.

23:31 So talk to me a little bit about the faith based entrepreneur as opposed to just being

23:35 an entrepreneur in general.

23:36 Yeah, man, absolutely.

23:39 I love what you just said there too, because my perspective of a Christian, right, a faith

23:45 based person, first off, I grew up in South Dakota.

23:47 So it's like, you're just a Christian, like you're born Christian, right?

23:51 You were born on the Red Clay, so you're a Christian by Dintoberg, I get it.

23:55 Exactly.

23:56 So, so I didn't really understand what that meant.

23:59 It's just like, well, yeah, sure, I believe in God, right?

24:01 And I didn't really, none of it really made sense to me.

24:05 And but my perspective of Christians were broke, broken and defeated, like this woe is

24:13 me victim mentality that like, I didn't want anything to do with, right?

24:18 Why in the heck would I want that?

24:20 And now it's like, what are, what the heck were they thinking, right?

24:25 Or what I think, unfortunately, a lot of American Christians, first off, we're to have the

24:30 fruit in our life that other people should want, right?

24:33 And if I'm going to boldly say that I'm a, I'm a citizen of the kingdom of heaven, then

24:38 I better have proof of that, right?

24:41 And it's, it's not, not like the, uh, you know, I'm, I'm driving a Ferrari or rocking

24:46 a jet, but it's, it's the confidence, it's the authority, it's the, the fruit in my life

24:50 that other people should want, right?

24:52 And then that's from when the time I turned 15, as I mentioned, I realized I needed to

24:57 become, I was going to dive into this entrepreneurship world.

25:00 I had to intentionally put myself in circles that, that will maybe a little uncomfortable

25:06 for me, but I had to look for the fruit in other people's life that I wanted and I just

25:10 got around them.

25:11 I, and sometimes I literally once a month I would drive myself up here to the Twin Cities

25:16 where I'm at now, uh, in Minneapolis and I would drive five hours one way just to attend

25:22 a weekend Saturday success training seminar.

25:26 So they were called once a month that would drive up and I got exposed to things just

25:29 personal development, right?

25:31 Which I didn't, I didn't even heard of that before.

25:33 I didn't know that I could actually think about what I think about.

25:37 Like I can actually, you know, question things or I could actually be the best version of

25:42 myself.

25:43 And I started to just freaking consume everything from, you know, Zig Ziglar, from the sales

25:47 standpoint to, uh, uh, augmentino and Napoleon Hill and just like these, the OGs of personal

25:55 development, but what I realized is literally everything that they were referring to was

26:00 backed by scripture, like it was in, it was in the Bible and, and I, I got connected with

26:06 a group up here the summer of would have been actually my, the summer of my junior year

26:11 because I graduated when I was 17.

26:13 So I, I was 15.

26:14 I came up here for a couple of weeks.

26:16 I just turned 16 in August and I, that's when I had actually fully given my life to

26:21 Christ, uh, and, and understood that it's not about a religion or anything like that,

26:26 but it was about a relationship.

26:28 And that's what really unlocked me into this entrepreneurship lifestyle, this mindset.

26:33 And, and from there, you know, I went on to do multiple different things from a, you

26:38 know, money making standpoint.

26:40 Um, and we've done, you know, we've done nine figures that started eight separate companies.

26:47 Every single one of them hit seven and eight figures in the first year of each.

26:49 So we've done well financially, but here's the thing through that process Kyle is when

26:55 I started to, to do well financially, I realized that money was money only made me more of

27:04 who I already was.

27:06 And I realized that the true transformation for me hadn't actually taken place.

27:11 Was I, you know, what I believe was saved, getting into heaven, sure, like I felt like

27:17 I had that stamp, I had that, that, like radical kind of transformation.

27:22 But the moment, then from there, like once you give your life to Christ, people think

27:25 like, okay, life's going to be great bull crap, life's going to be hard.

27:30 And this isn't like a sales pitch on it obviously, um, but it's totally worth it because now

27:36 you're going through a testing and a, in a refining period in your life that God allowed

27:41 me to go through, allowed me to make such stupid mistakes, allowed me to go through a

27:44 divorce, allowed me to, you know, crush financially, have extreme highs, but also extreme lows

27:51 and allowed me to grow through that process.

27:54 And, and I realized, you know, what I, what I money made me more of who I already was.

27:59 I realized I wasn't that great of a dude.

28:01 It was a great magnifier.

28:03 And from there, it was like, okay, well, what am I going to do about this?

28:07 And it was for any of anybody listening money from an entrepreneur standpoint, most people

28:13 just kind of coincide like entrepreneur means you, you must just be like money hungry,

28:18 like you just, you're greedy, right, especially in the Christian community.

28:21 It's like, whoa, you're, you're greedy because money, member money is, is the root of all

28:25 evil.

28:26 Like that.

28:27 And that's, the enemy has done an incredible job at warping scripture, right?

28:32 Because first off, if you believe the Bible, you got to believe the entire Bible.

28:36 You don't get to pick and choose, right?

28:38 Which is what division in the church is disgusting to me with all the different denominations

28:43 and things of like, oh, they think is right.

28:45 And they think it's right.

28:46 They're interpretation of scripture and they're pulling things based upon what they want,

28:50 what their opinion is on that particular topic.

28:53 And without taking a firm foundational look of like, okay, this is what the Bible says

28:57 here, but this is also what the Bible says here, you got to, if you believe it is the

29:02 infallible word of God, you got to believe the entire freaking book and you don't get

29:06 to choose.

29:07 Okay?

29:08 Now you can, right?

29:09 And, you know, that's, that's, that's up to you.

29:11 But I'm going to take the stance and I'm going to breathe the, the entire Bible.

29:15 And it wasn't really man until about a, about three years ago in 2019, where I was at my

29:21 bottom.

29:22 Okay.

29:23 From the world's perspective, I would have been probably at the top of what, you know,

29:29 not, not the top, right?

29:30 But we done very well financially.

29:31 We live on a, you know, a beautiful home on the lake and from the outside looking and

29:36 people would think, man, you must be nice.

29:39 I heard that so many times, must be nice.

29:42 And little did they know, like my life's in shambles, like personally, relationally,

29:46 my wife and I, we had a good marriage, but it wasn't great, right?

29:51 We were, we're drinking every night, we're, you know, just living the good life, right?

29:55 The worldly life that it was just like, I don't want to do this anymore.

29:59 Is, is it, am I just supposed to start another business and just go make more money?

30:02 And while some people listening right now, they may be like, yeah, I want to do that.

30:06 Right, like it was, it was fun for a period of time in my life, but here's what I realized.

30:11 Money is not everything until you don't have enough of it, right?

30:16 And some of you listen and maybe like, yeah, I know that, right?

30:19 Because right now, when you don't have enough of it, it becomes your everything.

30:24 It's what you're all, you're always constantly looking for and striving for and thinking

30:28 about and, and, but when you have enough of it and it's like, there's more, there's got

30:33 to be more to life.

30:34 That's where, where my wife and I were at.

30:36 And it was just this, this straight up feeling of unfulfillment.

30:40 There's no toy.

30:41 There's no jet.

30:42 There was nothing that was going to satisfy me from this feeling of unfulfillment.

30:46 And that's when I realized that as whether you're a Christian or not, right, you're,

30:51 if you're a believer or not, if you believe in God or not, you can be incredibly successful.

30:56 Okay.

30:57 You can be incredibly successful at a lot of things and still feel like a failure.

31:03 And the reason for that is, is if you're not operating for the God-given intended purpose

31:08 of why you were created, you will always feel like a failure, right?

31:12 I got it.

31:13 So I have a gym here in my home basement.

31:15 I have a treadmill man.

31:16 That thing is an incredible clothes hanger, incredible clothes hanger, but it's not operating

31:22 for why the manufacturer made it.

31:24 We have all been, think of us this way, we have all been created by a manufacturer.

31:29 God had, had created us in his image.

31:32 And until we are operating for the God-given intended purpose of why you were created,

31:37 you will always have that feeling of unfulfillment in your life.

31:40 And that's exactly where I was at.

31:41 And I realized I wasn't created just to build a business.

31:45 I wasn't created just to make money.

31:46 I wasn't created just to, to, even just to be a parent, like even that mindset, we are

31:52 created in his image to be in relation with him and to glorify him and everything that

31:58 we do.

31:59 We talk about having this idea of excellence, whatever I put my hand to.

32:03 If you're a stay-at-home dad, if you're a janitor, if you're a plumber, if you are

32:08 a NASCAR driver, whatever you are, be excellent, whatever you put your hands to, be excellent

32:15 and operate in that excellence.

32:17 But until you know him and you have a relationship with him, as your creator, you will always

32:22 have that feeling of unfulfillment.

32:23 I have no doubt in my mind, I see it in a lot of my friends that have still yet to fully

32:29 surrender and just understand that they are in need of a savior until that actually has

32:39 that realization mentally, but more so emotionally and in your heart, you're just going to always

32:44 feel that way and you're going to move to the next thing, to the next thing, to the

32:46 next thing.

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33:10 It's always window dressing and so it's like, you know, it's shuffling the deck chairs

33:19 on the Titanic.

33:20 It's like, okay, you're crushing, you know, you've got the perfect body, you've got the

33:23 perfect wife, you've got the perfect house, you've got the perfect everything and I live

33:26 in a community where there is a lot of that.

33:29 There are a lot of people that are perfectly put together, but their lives are absolutely

33:32 in shambles because Christ isn't at the center of it.

33:34 And so I think that that's incredibly important.

33:36 Now, you brought a lot of things up there, Riley, that I want to kind of get back to.

33:40 There's a reason when we're looking at scripture why Jesus talks about money so much.

33:43 There's a reason why money brought up so many times in the scripture because it's important.

33:48 You don't spend a lot of time talking about things that aren't important.

33:51 So, but also if you're Jesus, you want to talk about things that are going to be potential

33:55 stumbling blocks for people because there in my career, there have been times of extreme

34:00 plenty in times where we were like, you know, when we first got married, I've told this

34:03 on the show before, like we bought one of those big pizzas from Sam's and it wouldn't

34:07 fit in our little bitty, you know, refrigerator in our 500 square foot, you know, duplex we

34:11 were living in.

34:12 But it was below freezing outside.

34:13 So we set it outside.

34:14 We're like, all right, we're going to make this in the morning.

34:16 We go out there and apparently a raccoon or something have eaten it and like, you know,

34:20 it's a funny story now.

34:21 But at the time, like we calculate that was going to be like three meals for my wife

34:24 and I and we're like 22 years old and, you know, because so I've seen the entire game

34:28 and I ran the entire game and of all this kind of stuff, but I think you're right.

34:32 And you don't have enough money to where you can, to where you can just breathe, to where

34:38 you're not stressed about the bills being paid, stressed about the creditors calling

34:42 or those different things.

34:43 You don't have peace and it's very, very hard to have peace.

34:46 So again, it's not worshiping money because money doesn't fix you and it doesn't save

34:50 you.

34:51 But having enough of it does help you to be able to focus on those other things mentally.

34:56 But what all that kind of comes down to for a lot of people, Riley, and you probably knew

34:59 I was going to go here is prosperity gospel, like, hey, man, if you just follow me and

35:05 send me some of your money, I'm going to make sure I bless that money and it's going to

35:09 come back to you 10 fold.

35:11 Why?

35:12 Because I'm wearing a nice suit and I'm on stage with a microphone.

35:15 Like that's the idea when Christians start talking about money, they start talking about

35:20 the blessings of the Lord and look at how much money I've created and look how big of my

35:23 businesses are and look how much I made when I sold it and all that kind of stuff.

35:27 People immediately go there and say, what exactly are you advocating for?

35:31 So when someone brings that up, I know that's not the first time someone said that to you.

35:35 What do you say?

35:36 What do you say to them?

35:37 Yeah.

35:38 Yeah.

35:39 It comes back again to what I had said before.

35:40 You got to believe the entire book, right?

35:43 You don't get to just cherry pick and take one scripture and run with it, right?

35:48 Because if you, if you have that mindset, cool, you're going to have poverty gospel or you're

35:52 going to have prosperity gospel.

35:54 And I want the gospel.

35:56 That's all I give a rip about.

35:57 I don't care.

35:58 And yeah, those dudes that are like, Hey, buy my prayer, my green prayer cloth, right?

36:02 Like, they're going to get what's coming to them, what I, you know, so, and, but that's

36:07 a hundred percent not what I'm talking about scripture tells us that it is God that gives

36:12 us the ability to create wealth.

36:15 Okay.

36:16 And whether a lot of people, man, I think you mentioned like Bezos and, and, and he even

36:24 Bill Gates, um, these guys that are maybe doing it for a wrong purpose and intended purpose

36:31 for wrong, a lot of them are still operating by, by God given principles within the Bible

36:37 on, on how to, how to operate, right?

36:40 And first off, I do want to just say we have a skewed approach to, to money and wealth and

36:46 on everything.

36:47 If you live in America, I think most of your listeners probably are here in the U S and

36:51 so we have sight, we're so freaking blessed to live in this country as jacked up as it

36:56 is.

36:57 We are still blessed.

36:58 And that's why we need to continue to fight for what's right in this country.

37:01 Um, but we, we have the opportunity to make an insane amount of money compared to other

37:06 areas of, of the world.

37:08 And, and this again is we, if it's God that gives us the ability to create wealth, he

37:15 also, whether I'm in, you mentioned, man, it's when you have money, you have peace.

37:21 And I'm going to, I'm going to challenge you on that and even in our listeners, because

37:24 I've gone through this and I've even recently, dude, the, the things that we're, we're declaring,

37:29 I've got a three series book coming out, the kingdom entrepreneur series, talking specifically

37:35 on entrepreneurship and then kingdom money principles.

37:38 And one of the first ones being tithing, right?

37:41 If, if, and this is where a lot of pastors are like, they, they squirm in their seat.

37:45 They just hate talking about money because they don't want to lose their, their congregation,

37:49 their membership within the church.

37:51 When that's what they got to hit it dead on, because you got to understand that if, and

37:55 this is, this starts at the top though, if your pastor is like that and squirming and

37:58 uncomfortable, then he's got to get a girl set and actually lead, right?

38:03 He needs to lead the way that the Bible tells us, because tithing isn't for God, God doesn't

38:08 need your money.

38:09 I literally just wrote down, God does not need your money.

38:13 Yeah.

38:14 Of course, dude, he's, you think he's like, man, I got rent coming up this week.

38:19 Man.

38:20 I hope these guys talk.

38:21 I had some extra money to do whatever I need to do as the creator of the cosmos.

38:26 Seriously.

38:27 And so what it is, guys, and, and who you tied to, if, first off, if you, if you tie, if

38:32 you're a Christian, tied to your local church, whoever you're getting fed by spiritually,

38:36 right?

38:37 Who is that spiritual authority in your life?

38:39 That's what, what I believe, where the tithe needs to go.

38:41 Okay.

38:42 It should hopefully be your local church, but the tithe isn't even necessarily for them.

38:47 Yes, they have, but the tide, the principles, the spiritual principles, because here's the

38:51 thing, money is a spiritual, it operates in the spiritual realm.

38:57 I want to say that it doesn't operate in the natural realm that we think.

39:00 Okay.

39:01 And this may get people a little kind of like, what the heck is this guy talking about here?

39:04 But here's what I'm saying.

39:05 I promise you that the day that I committed to tithing, I was 24 years old.

39:09 I had, I had six figure businesses mid to low six figure businesses.

39:13 I'd never done over a million dollars in my life.

39:15 The day that I committed to, to tithing, I was 24 years old, that net very next year,

39:21 actually within six months, I had done $2.1 million in revenue.

39:26 The next year, 12 million.

39:27 The next year, 12 million.

39:28 And here's the deal.

39:29 I didn't, I didn't give to get, right?

39:31 We're not, we don't, this isn't the type of like we're going to the casino and I'm going

39:34 to give to get, but there is a spiritual principle at play here and it comes down to obedience,

39:39 right?

39:40 And tithing is what I believe, I believe they're four kingdom money principles, ownership

39:45 and that God owns everything.

39:48 Okay.

39:49 You don't own it.

39:50 Right?

39:51 And here's, here's the, here's a good test for you.

39:53 If there is something in your life that you, you would struggle to give away, I would challenge

40:00 you that you don't own that, that thing owns you, whether it's your house, your car, your

40:05 favorite watch, right?

40:06 If you're, and you're like, if somebody said, give that to me, rich young ruler for those

40:10 in the, in the Bible, like, Hey, you got to give this away.

40:12 And if it's like, I don't want to do that, you don't own that.

40:15 That thing, that material possession owns you and, and as an active obedience back to

40:21 tithing, as an act of obedience, it is, it's just like, I'm going to give the 10% because

40:26 that's where it starts.

40:27 And then from there, if I, if I can give above and beyond, I want to make myself available

40:33 to, to what God needs, right?

40:35 Not, not what God needs.

40:36 Excuse me.

40:37 To what God puts on my heart to fulfill somebody else's need.

40:39 God doesn't need your money, but part of being so blessed to live in this country.

40:44 We have, we are, we have so many opportunities at hand to make money.

40:49 And ultimately, the Bible tells us you cannot serve two masters and it talks more about

40:54 money than it does about faith and salvation, like three times the amount combined.

40:59 There's over 2,400 references in the Bible to wealth, money and possessions.

41:03 So if it's important for God to put it in the Bible, I think it's important for us to,

41:07 to talk about it, right?

41:08 And for any pastors listening to this, grow a set of nuts and actually talk about this

41:12 with your congregation, because it ain't for you, it's for them.

41:16 And if you're, if you're partaking in a church or in that that has this broke, broken, defeated

41:21 mindset, step up to the plate and receive what scripture actually tells us about this, because

41:28 it comes back to, to obedience and knowing that it's not what somebody else is going

41:32 to do with it.

41:33 It's what, what God has told us to do, how to act in spiritual principles that apply from

41:38 ownership.

41:39 I'm going all over the place here, Kyle, but somehow I'm going to get back to the point

41:43 here.

41:44 No, you don't.

41:45 Right.

41:46 There's stewardship.

41:47 Okay.

41:48 So God owns everything.

41:49 There's stewardship.

41:50 Like we are managers.

41:51 We are managers of what He's given us.

41:53 And if we steward with the little, some of us have a lot right now, some of us have

41:57 a little, but no matter what steward, well, what you have, because as a steward, we're

42:03 called to manage.

42:04 And if you think of a, if any of you have a money manager right now, you don't give

42:09 your money to a money manager and be like, Hey, just don't lose that.

42:12 Right.

42:13 And you wouldn't even be happy if he just stayed the same.

42:17 You give it to him to grow, to multiply, right?

42:21 If you have a financial advisor and he comes back and he's like, yeah, we didn't make

42:23 anything this year.

42:24 You'd be like, I'm going to find another advisor, right?

42:27 Which is exactly what the master did in the parable of the talents.

42:31 Okay.

42:32 There's, if you guys haven't read this before, the parable of the talents, the master, there's,

42:37 there's three servants here.

42:38 He gives each of them according to their ability.

42:42 This is what scripture says.

42:43 And right when I read that, I've read this hundreds of times, but when I had the revelation

42:48 of this, I was like, he gave each of them according to their ability.

42:51 I was like, cause originally I'm like, well, why'd one get one?

42:54 Why'd one get two?

42:55 And why'd one get five?

42:56 Like that's not fair.

42:57 Like how many of us think that way we're right now?

43:00 Like it's not fair.

43:01 Right?

43:02 Well, first off, life ain't freaking fair.

43:03 The master gets to choose who he's given what to, but it's based upon their ability.

43:09 Okay.

43:10 And when I realized that, I was like, Oh, snap, how do I make?

43:12 I want to be the one that that's able.

43:14 I want it.

43:15 I want the guy.

43:16 I want to be the one that gets five.

43:17 And here's what we've broken this down to.

43:19 Our ability is based upon three things when we, when we read this parable of the talents.

43:23 Number one, it's our availability, right?

43:26 Are we making ourselves available to God?

43:28 Are we putting ourselves in a position in which we can make a decision or act when prompted,

43:36 right?

43:37 And this comes back to entrepreneurship, man.

43:38 What I'm saying is a lot of people are working a nine to five job and they physically, they

43:44 can't do certain things because they're tied to a job.

43:47 They are serving money in their poverty.

43:52 I'll come back to that, okay, because there's, we can't serve two masters, right?

43:57 But so if this is why I love entrepreneurship, leveraging time so we can, we can ultimately

44:02 get money to leverage money so we have time.

44:05 So we're, we're, we're given according to our ability based upon the availability, are

44:10 we making ourselves available to God?

44:11 Have we put ourselves in a position where financially I'm not stressed, right?

44:15 And it's not money that gives us peace.

44:17 I know that you said that it's not absolutely not money that gives us peace because I know

44:21 broken people that are a piece, an incredible piece, okay, and one of them, extreme highs,

44:29 I had a lot of money and I had some of the most anxiety written times in my life.

44:34 The great theologian, Biggie Smalls, Mo money, Mo problems is very true, right?

44:41 So it's not peace, it's not money that gives us peace.

44:45 Now if we, if we've steward well, if we've, if we've lived a life or if we've now chosen

44:51 to live a life that's going to steward well, we can now make ourselves available, okay?

44:56 So make, we're making ourselves available.

44:58 Now I'm going to, am I going to be responsible enough, the parable of the talents again,

45:02 he gives according to their, their ability based upon their availability, those that

45:06 are being responsible, the one that had one just buried it, the one that had two went

45:11 and put it to use, this is why as entrepreneurs, if you're, if you're a believer, we are to

45:16 saving money is yes, there's, there's some wisdom to save, right?

45:20 But there's more wisdom to put it to use.

45:22 How you make money serve you as you put it to use, the guy who had two doubled it, the

45:27 guy who had five doubled it again.

45:29 The one who had one, the master came back to basically be accountable, right?

45:34 That's the third thing.

45:35 Our ability is availability, responsibility, and then accountability.

45:39 We're going to be accountable one day or another, right?

45:42 Right now you're probably accountable to your boss, maybe your employees, maybe your spouse,

45:46 your kiddos, you're accountable, but at some day you're going to kick the bucket and you

45:49 are going to be accountable.

45:50 And my, my life at this point has, has been committed to, I only want to hear these words

45:57 and it is well done, good and faithful servant.

45:59 Like that is the, the purpose of why I am alive at this point in time in my life.

46:05 And the reason that the, the gentleman, the servant who just buried it, he had won.

46:12 It was because what I believe was his mentality of who the master was.

46:18 I believe that our, our, our thought process, our understanding of God is an indirect correlation

46:28 with our thought process of money, right?

46:30 So this servant, he was scared.

46:33 When he came back, the master came back, the servant said, I knew you to be a hard man.

46:38 I knew you to be a hard man.

46:39 So I just buried it, didn't put it to use.

46:43 So when he comes, and this is the funny thing, if you actually read it, he doesn't even say

46:47 here it is, he says, it's over there.

46:49 I buried it.

46:50 It's like over there.

46:51 Like the other two are like, I did two, here's four.

46:54 I did five, here's 10.

46:56 And the servant, the buried, it's like, it's buried in and it's over there.

46:59 It's like how wicked and lazy, he literally calls him wicked and lazy, takes the one and

47:06 gives it to the others that actually put it to use.

47:09 These are kingdom principles here that if we can actually get under these and operate

47:14 that we are to steward money, so ownership stewardship, right, the third one is going

47:20 to be worship, which is tithing.

47:22 And then the fourth one is kingship, which is how we, when we get into like true principles

47:28 and laws of sewing and reaping, we reap what we sow, not just financially, but with our

47:35 words and all other things.

47:36 But I've been talking for a long time, man, I was back to you, reel me back in here, as

47:42 you can tell, I get pretty fired up about this.

47:43 No, you're good.

47:44 And so like, I think that was easy for people to follow because it all kind of comes back

47:48 to that same central theme, which is that money in and of itself isn't an animate object.

47:53 It doesn't do anything.

47:55 It doesn't change who you are.

47:57 It elevates who you already are, and it may reveal some things about you once you get

48:00 access to it.

48:01 But a point that you made a little bit ago was about pastors that listened to this.

48:05 And I know there are pastors that listen to this, like always, you always need to remember

48:08 that your flock does need direction.

48:10 Does that mean that you need to be preaching the news cycle?

48:13 Not necessarily.

48:14 But what it does mean is that if you're not talking about money, do you assume that your,

48:20 your flock has a godly view of money, or are they perhaps taking their cues about money

48:24 from the world?

48:25 So don't be shocked when your flock doesn't know anything about money, but when they're

48:29 sitting in your pews or in your chairs on Sunday and you don't talk about it.

48:33 And then they do what the world tells them to do and then you castigate them for it.

48:36 It's like, bro, like it is on them to read the Bible, but it's also on you to lead them.

48:40 So I think that that's very important.

48:42 But where this kind of coalesces to Riley is, you know, you've done a lot of things in business,

48:46 but how you and I got connected with something called Kings Council.

48:49 So if you're watching this, this has been behind you the entire time we've been talking

48:52 is Kings Council.

48:54 So this, I don't want to mess up exactly what it is because I know what it is to me in my

48:58 experience because you didn't invite me to kind of come speak to one of your groups,

49:02 which was, was a lot of fun.

49:03 I got to do that a few weeks ago, but explain to us, you know, the outworking of your Christian

49:08 faith inside of entrepreneurism and how that led to the Kings Council.

49:12 Yeah, man.

49:13 Yeah.

49:14 Thank you, dude.

49:15 So this is truly back again, three years ago, when I just had this feeling of unfulfillment

49:19 and I'd been a part of business masterminds in groups that are like, you know, coming

49:24 together to be better businessmen, to grow, to actually make more money.

49:29 But at the end of the day, none of them were rooted in what I considered truth, right?

49:34 With actual truth, not your truth or her truth or his truth, like what is truth, the foundation

49:39 of the Bible, right?

49:41 And as I scanned the internet, essentially, in 2019, kind of going into 2020, I was like,

49:48 there's nothing out there that has this purpose that can be bold.

49:55 Like it's a lot of these Christian communities, and this isn't a shot on Christian community.

49:59 I am a Christian, but a lot of them are just like these weak, freaking timid, woe is me

50:05 mentality.

50:06 Even the ones that are in like business meetings, it's like, let's come together and have coffee.

50:10 Like, no, I want to have a freaking Red Bull and go work out and talk business, right?

50:14 Like, let's do that together.

50:16 And I didn't see anybody that was doing that.

50:19 And so right then, it's like, well, if it's not out there, maybe we should create it.

50:26 And that was just kind of the start of what's known as the King's Council now, and a lot

50:31 of it was birthed out of March of 2020.

50:35 And with the moment, like just the news, the media, everything that was going on, I was

50:40 just like sitting back going, what in that crap is happening?

50:43 This world is falling to pieces, right?

50:47 Like I don't even know what is even happening.

50:49 My daughter was eight at the time I was sitting in my office.

50:52 She came in as I was scrolling social media, of course, getting really fired up.

50:57 And I was like, I looked down on her and she came and asked me a question that I just thought,

51:01 I cannot leave.

51:02 This is call it my intuition, call it God.

51:05 I cannot believe I cannot leave this earth the way it is without doing something for her.

51:13 And I was immediately, but as quick as I've had that feeling, I felt, who am I?

51:19 What can I do about it?

51:21 And as quick as that feeling came, quicker came if not you than who.

51:27 And that comes back to I really believe this under entrepreneur mindset of the undertaker.

51:31 And I was like, all right, all right.

51:34 So we, I just started to raise my hand like, okay, this is what I'm about.

51:39 Does anybody else have these thoughts or these feelings and believe it or not, we did an

51:43 online challenge and we had multiple people that like express the same thought process

51:49 or ideas didn't have necessarily community, whether they went to church or not.

51:55 It's just like it's, we've created a community.

51:57 So the Kings Council, man, we are, we started out as a coaching company, like I was charging

52:03 people to be a part of this community and it was great, right?

52:07 Like we, we've had it over, you know, three, four hundred people that have come through

52:11 our coaching program, which has been great.

52:14 But I just felt over the last like six months, like what my heart has been really broken

52:20 for the church here in America, right?

52:23 And I think it's completely whack, not all, right?

52:26 I'm going to take that into consideration.

52:29 There's some amazing churches that have really grown through everything and in our leading

52:32 by example.

52:34 But with, again, what I read in the Bible and what, how we are to operate as the body

52:39 of Christ.

52:40 Like I don't see that happening in the majority of churches, buildings that people are going

52:44 to for a motivational seminar on Sunday and then living the life, whatever the heck they

52:49 want throughout the rest of the week.

52:51 And especially entrepreneurs, we think differently, we're a little different, right?

52:57 And again, you don't have to be having your own business at this point.

53:01 You could still be working, but you feel a little different, right?

53:04 If you were the kid in class growing up, that was always like ADD or, you know, roaming

53:08 around and like, you're, that's okay.

53:12 It's absolutely okay.

53:13 We think differently.

53:14 And here's the thing, I realize that while some church organizations and groups serve

53:19 certain organizations well, it usually is like whatever the senior pastor is most passionate

53:24 about, like that's what they're about, like we're about missions or we're about leadership

53:29 or we're about women's ministry, whatever it is, like there's, first off, they should

53:35 be about Christ, God, and then they should have resources for every single organization

53:42 out there, right?

53:43 And it should, I mean, we need to be resourceful as the body of Christ, like we need to be

53:49 resourceful in doing this together, not like, are you Lutheran or are you Presbyterian?

53:54 Okay.

53:55 No dancing in church.

53:56 Okay.

53:57 Can I raise my hand?

53:58 It's so sickening to me on all the division within the local church.

54:04 And my heart with the King's Council, we became a nonprofit ministry July 1 because I really

54:09 felt God just saying, this is how we're going to truly change the landscape in America here

54:15 to start.

54:16 I believe worldwide at some point, we're going to truly change the landscape of what people

54:20 believe Christianity actually is based upon what, what someone's preaching from the front

54:25 of the room, even though you've seen it now, like how many lead senior pastors are getting

54:31 accused of molestation, all this crap, it's just like, it's going to implode.

54:36 And the true faithful undertakers are going to be there to lock arms with people to actually

54:43 truly continue to lead this kingdom advancement.

54:47 And that's what the King's Council is is we want to come alongside the local church, local

54:52 groups, local believers and serve the entrepreneurs as an extension of their existing ministry.

54:59 Whatever that is, like as an extension of it, let us serve those that maybe think a little

55:04 different, right?

55:05 That aren't that when we see something, it's like, oh, how can I make this?

55:08 How can I grow this?

55:09 How can I scale this?

55:10 Is there, can I, you know, make this better?

55:12 We want to co-create with people.

55:14 And that's really what the King's Council is about.

55:17 Now, first off, King's Council, I ain't a king, right?

55:20 First off, I'm a king only because the Great King, Jesus is King, created me in His image,

55:28 just like you, Kyle.

55:29 So Jesus is King.

55:31 We are the King's Council.

55:33 Therefore, we sit on the Council of the King.

55:35 I want to be crystal clear.

55:36 I ain't sitting here braggadociously saying I'm a King and you're a king.

55:40 And it's like, no, no, while I believe we can operate in that authority, we should have

55:44 that spiritual authority on this earth to operate as kings and priests.

55:48 So we are called and we are told we are kings and priests, right?

55:52 So I can have authority, but I can also have a soft side like a priest, right?

55:58 Some of the most amazing people, amazing people, even throughout scripture, they were kings

56:02 and priests.

56:04 And that, and I believe that's what we are.

56:05 Now, if you feel like called in the entrepreneur space where it's like, I feel like I've been

56:10 created to make money because here's the thing.

56:14 So many Christians in the Christian community just think, well, God's going to take care

56:20 of it.

56:21 Here's their mindset.

56:23 I'm not greedy.

56:24 I just need enough for me.

56:26 Like why are you always trying to go get more?

56:28 I just need enough for me.

56:29 And I'd like to slap those people right upside the face and tell them they are the greediest

56:34 person on the planet.

56:35 Because if your mindset is that you only need enough for you, are you kidding me?

56:41 You are the greediest person that I know, versus I never set an income goal without

56:46 first setting a giving goal.

56:48 Like that's, that's priority number one.

56:51 Like I would love to tie a million dollars this year.

56:54 Well, that means I got to make a hundred million, right?

56:57 I would love to tie 10,000.

56:58 I got to make a hundred thousand, right?

56:59 And then we can give above and beyond.

57:02 And these are the principles that first off, just the community that we've created, it's

57:07 completely free.

57:08 The Kings Council community, there's no charge in this.

57:11 It's a ministry.

57:12 We do growth calls every single Monday.

57:14 We hop on live for our Monday growth calls, the one that you spoke on, man, which is epic.

57:19 We do Bible study Wednesday mornings, where we're launching the Kings Academy, which

57:24 I do.

57:25 I'm super stoked about you got me talking about the kids, you know, indoctrination within

57:30 the school system.

57:31 We got the Kings Academy starting.

57:32 But at the, at the end of it, we are a group of, of kingdom entrepreneurs.

57:38 We're here to undertake.

57:39 Yes, a lot of us have been given that, that ability to make money, to create wealth.

57:44 And if you live in America, I would challenge you that it's, it's literally every single

57:48 one of us.

57:49 There are so many people in other countries that do not have the ability.

57:53 I don't care what your race is, you're going to play the race card with me.

57:56 I don't care what if you're a man or a woman.

57:58 I don't care.

57:59 You, if you live in this country, you have every opportunity to make money, to create

58:05 wealth.

58:06 And you should, you should take that so seriously, because for you to make even an additional

58:11 20 grand, 30 grand, 40 grand a year, that's, you could change somebody else's life.

58:17 If that's your heart, right?

58:19 If you want to make it to go buy a car, whatever, I don't care, that's, that's between you.

58:22 I don't give a rip, like between your convictions, that's between you and God.

58:27 I've got mine.

58:28 I love yours.

58:29 But I want to help people essentially come alongside be that catalyst to be the best

58:34 version of themselves there.

58:36 So we can advance the kingdom, right?

58:39 Like, that's what this is all about.

58:40 I, I know that I, I'm a millionaire.

58:43 I'm fully confident I will be a billionaire for the king, the advancement of the kingdom

58:48 of God.

58:49 And that's what the king's council is founded on is we are on mission.

58:53 Our mission is to be provision for the vision of the kingdom of God, like of, of advancement,

59:00 right?

59:01 And then until he returns, scripture tells us that he ain't returning until every ear

59:05 has heard, I consider that a freaking challenge.

59:09 And, and I do know that it is going to take an incredible amount of money.

59:13 Can we pray about it and just expect God to drop radios to people in, you know, the swamp

59:20 of wherever country it is and they're now they're going to hear the gospel.

59:24 Sure, I guess, but I do know that God has called us.

59:28 He created us to use us to work through us.

59:31 And if we've been given that ability and he's not returning until that happens, I want to

59:35 be the catalyst for the second coming of Christ.

59:38 And that really is what I believe the king's council is, is standing upon in who we're

59:42 calling for to be a part of our community, lock arms with us and let's advance.

59:47 Like let's go make money, right, but let's be accountable to each other.

59:51 And let's, let's grow the kingdom of God all the while leading by example for our, our

59:57 spouse.

59:58 Okay.

59:59 Cause here's the thing too, man.

1:00:00 If, if making money is going to, is going to be a hindrance for your marriage, I will,

1:00:04 I refuse to help and coach anybody that that'll, that that would be a hindrance.

1:00:09 I believe God would rather have you broke and broken under a bridge, but in relationship

1:00:14 and a rock solid relationship with your spouse than to have money hinder it.

1:00:18 Okay.

1:00:19 And I'm a prime example of, of what happened in that situation, because marriage second

1:00:24 to God is your number, that's your number two.

1:00:26 Okay.

1:00:27 If that ain't solid and then your kids and then your business, if those, if those three

1:00:32 aren't first and then your business, everything else is for not, right?

1:00:36 And that's the foundational principles that, that we teach on within the king's council,

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1:01:10 Well, and Riley, just to kind of echo something that you said, because again, I want to make

1:01:14 sure that people aren't hearing something that you're not saying, because you're trying

1:01:16 to be clear, but then people will, will just take little things and they won't apply everything.

1:01:21 You're clearly not saying that God needs your money in order to do things because God is

1:01:25 sovereign overall.

1:01:27 But again, most of the ministries, I just want you guys to remember this.

1:01:30 Most of the ministries that you support, which may be the local church, which you've already

1:01:33 advocated that we do, it might be a local pregnancy resource center.

1:01:37 It might be undaunted life.

1:01:39 It might be any of those types of things.

1:01:42 Everything that those ministries do costs money.

1:01:45 When you walk into church on Sunday, what do you think is powering the air conditioning

1:01:50 unit?

1:01:51 Right?

1:01:52 Like it's not hopes and dreams, like it's not positive thoughts or positive vibes or prayers

1:01:56 or any of those types of things, which is not to say that any of those things are not important.

1:02:00 We're saying in the world that we create, we trade money and time for things that we

1:02:04 want.

1:02:05 Right?

1:02:06 And so that's, that's what you're saying for the things that you want to do.

1:02:08 I tell people all the time and I'm not sheepish about it guys.

1:02:10 We are mainly kept afloat by donations out of non to life do where we want to build things

1:02:14 out later to where we're going to be more sustainable to where donations are things that

1:02:18 we can obviously redirect.

1:02:19 But everything in order to keep the lights on costs money and I'm okay with people talking

1:02:24 about that.

1:02:25 So I just want to kind of reiterate that.

1:02:26 But one thing that I just heard about recently, Riley, because I was aware of the Kings Council

1:02:30 and obviously I came and spoke on it, but there's, there's something different that

1:02:33 you guys are doing, which to be honest, I'm not too terribly familiar with, but it sounds

1:02:37 like it's called the upper room.

1:02:38 I think I have the name, right?

1:02:40 But this is kind of almost like the next level, if you will, if I'm framing it improperly,

1:02:45 go ahead and, you know, because again, I don't know that much about it, but I have heard

1:02:48 of it.

1:02:49 So you got Kings Council, but then there's the upper room that is almost kind of like that

1:02:52 next step that, that deeper involvement, like, hey, this is where the rubber starts to meet

1:02:56 the road.

1:02:57 So if I've, if I've described anything incorrectly, you know, correct the record, but what is

1:03:00 the upper room?

1:03:01 Yeah, man, you, you, you hit it on the head, really, the upper room.

1:03:05 So the Kings Council, as I mentioned, is there's no charge to be in it.

1:03:08 If you want to give towards the ministry, amazing, right?

1:03:11 Just like giving towards undaunted life, people, you need funding, bro.

1:03:14 Like people need to fund your operation here, right?

1:03:17 So shout out to your listeners, if you guys like what, what Kyle is spitting here, consider

1:03:23 giving to what he's doing, because that doesn't, I mean, what he's doing is takes money, okay?

1:03:28 And it's, partly why we're coming alongside and what we, you know, I want to be the catalyst,

1:03:34 even for the, the, the vision that you have, Kyle, to continue to take this, this content

1:03:40 and, and the listeners that you have, like continue to grow, right?

1:03:44 We're not called to just sit on it.

1:03:45 Like let's continue to grow this thing to advance this message to the marketplace.

1:03:50 And the, so the Kings Council, that while that is a ministry, I, I do know that a lot

1:03:55 of people need more one-on-one strategy.

1:03:59 They need more coaching within their business, okay?

1:04:02 And so we've created the upper room as our, our really, it's a, we charge for it, okay?

1:04:10 It is a, a group that comes together.

1:04:12 It's a mastermind.

1:04:13 We've ever been part of a mastermind.

1:04:15 This is what I was a part of so much, prior to the upper room, I've involved in many

1:04:21 different masterminds, but foundationally, they weren't rooted on scripture, rooted

1:04:26 in the word of God.

1:04:28 And so this ain't a normal mastermind.

1:04:30 I do want to be crystal clear on that.

1:04:31 We do get together once a month, either virtually or in person.

1:04:35 We come together in person every other month for those that want to fly in.

1:04:40 We have a host of indifferent spots throughout the country, otherwise virtually we're hopping

1:04:43 on on as a group.

1:04:44 And it's truly an iron, sharpening iron concept where we, we each share what we're in need

1:04:51 of prior to this so that we can prepare in advance to, to deliver, to provide solutions.

1:04:56 We come together not to just mope and talk about what the hell's going wrong in our

1:04:59 lives and businesses, but we're, we're solution minded and we're coming together to sharpen

1:05:04 each other and then to, to leave, to apply actionable steps into our life.

1:05:10 So we've, we've taken back to the, our ability things.

1:05:14 We make ourselves available once a month, myself and Scott Thomas and some other business

1:05:19 coaches, all seven and eight figure earners.

1:05:22 And then everybody else within the up room comes together once a month.

1:05:25 You also have access to one on one coaching with myself once a month, a part in addition

1:05:31 to all sorts of tools and resources and templates and, and just business tools.

1:05:36 So if, whether you're going from like employed to deployed, we have, we, we have incredible

1:05:43 tools to serve you.

1:05:44 Like, I don't even know how to start a business.

1:05:45 I mean, I don't even have an idea.

1:05:47 Sweet.

1:05:48 That's, you're right in the spot that I freaking love to work with, to pull that creativity

1:05:51 out and, and then apply it into the marketplace and, and those that are like what we've really

1:05:57 realized, those that are crushing it or maybe just like are doing well, there, maybe they're

1:06:02 doing six, seven, eight figures, but it's like, I don't even know what am I doing.

1:06:06 Maybe you're just like who I was in 2019 where it's like, is this it?

1:06:10 Is this what I'm living for?

1:06:12 And, and if, if your vision, your vision guys is going to be what gives any sort of

1:06:16 pain purpose in your life.

1:06:18 I don't care if it's in, in, in accordance with your, your relationship with your spouse,

1:06:22 with your kiddos, uh, or your business.

1:06:25 If you haven't gotten crystal clear on the vision that you have for your life, any circumstance

1:06:29 that comes against you, Mike Tyson, I think said at best, everybody's got a plan and till

1:06:34 they get punched in the face, right?

1:06:36 And then it's like, what are you going to do?

1:06:39 And this is part of like why this community is so important and, and we can come together

1:06:44 to hold each other accountable month over month.

1:06:47 And, and ultimately then we're, we're available, responsible, we're accountable to be a, to,

1:06:53 to God's ability so he can give us more to be responsible for.

1:06:58 And that's truly what the upper room actually is about.

1:07:00 It's like those that want to go to the next level, but it costs money to be a part of.

1:07:03 It's an application process.

1:07:04 We don't just let anybody in this as much as we love your money than just give to the

1:07:09 king's council, but everything that goes into the upper room supports the king's council

1:07:14 ministry as well.

1:07:15 But it is an application process, man.

1:07:17 And if, is, is that all right with you, man, if I actually, if people want more information

1:07:21 on that.

1:07:22 Yeah.

1:07:23 Let us know exactly how they can get in touch with you.

1:07:27 Beautiful dude.

1:07:28 Just text the word upper room, so upper room to seven, two, seven, four, seven, two, three,

1:07:35 eight, six, zero.

1:07:37 I don't normally do these calls myself, but I want to do these one on one.

1:07:42 Anybody to your listening audience, man, if they text the word upper room to seven,

1:07:47 two, seven, four, seven, two, three, eight, six, zero, you're immediately going to get

1:07:51 in an application sent back to you to fill out and then schedule a one on one.

1:07:58 We'll hop on for 20 minutes.

1:08:00 You and I directly was listening to this and just talk about king's council, maybe upper

1:08:05 room, if you'd be a good fit or not, right?

1:08:07 So I would, again, I don't normally do that for everybody as time is, is, is valuable,

1:08:13 but I do want to do this for your listening audience, Kyle, and, and hop on individually

1:08:16 with each one.

1:08:17 Well, awesome.

1:08:18 I was not aware that you were going to do that.

1:08:20 So that is really awesome.

1:08:21 So guys, I jotted that down as he was saying it.

1:08:23 So again, and I'll put this in the show notes.

1:08:24 I'll make sure I put this in the show notes, but it's text the words upper room to seven,

1:08:29 two, seven, four, seven, two, three, eight, six, zero.

1:08:33 You'll get an application to potentially be a part of this because you have to apply.

1:08:38 And then they'll schedule a one on one with you.

1:08:39 Did I get all the details right?

1:08:41 You got it right, man.

1:08:42 Okay.

1:08:43 You got it right.

1:08:44 I appreciate that.

1:08:45 And as you were encouraging guys to, you know, if they like and I encourage guys all the time,

1:08:48 if you like content creators, start, you know, supporting them financially, because I do

1:08:52 it.

1:08:53 I was the worst about that, like the amount of value I got from a company like the Daily

1:08:57 Wire or PragerU or any of these other organizations.

1:09:01 And I didn't give them a dime of my money, right?

1:09:04 I was just doing all the free stuff.

1:09:05 It's like eventually I was like, no, you've got to start supporting these people.

1:09:08 So the same thing would be true for you.

1:09:10 Like guys, if this sounds interesting to you, it is literally worth your time to hop on a

1:09:15 one on one because like I know what you charge for a one on one and I know how hard that

1:09:20 is to do with your current schedule.

1:09:21 So I really appreciate you making that offer available to our listeners now, but rather

1:09:25 before we get you out of here, because I know you got other things that you got to take

1:09:28 care of today, I'm assuming this.

1:09:31 So you may not have anything to say and I could be shooting myself on the foot here,

1:09:34 but I'm assuming that you're not just focused only on the Kings Council and only on the businesses

1:09:39 that you have right now.

1:09:40 I get the sense that you're watching the horizon and watching for some other things and maybe

1:09:44 you got some other stuff in the can.

1:09:46 You mentioned a three book series coming out.

1:09:49 And so we'll probably have to have you back on to talk specifically about that.

1:09:52 But what are things that you're looking for in the future?

1:09:54 Is there anything that you can tell us right now in terms of what you're working on?

1:09:58 Yeah, man.

1:09:59 Thank you.

1:10:00 Yeah.

1:10:01 So for yes, the three book series is coming out, the Kingdom Entrepreneur Series.

1:10:06 It's the first book is fully done.

1:10:08 It's final editing right now.

1:10:09 We'll be releasing that the second book in about a month and a half, two months and

1:10:12 then a third book, it'll be available as a set.

1:10:16 It's going to be great, great, great content.

1:10:19 But right now, man, as you mentioned, kind of on the horizon, what's going on in back

1:10:24 to March of 2020, if you remember, before the Kings Council was even started, it was about

1:10:30 me looking down at my daughter and having that feeling, right?

1:10:34 I'm going to say calling, right?

1:10:36 The God giving calling and back to what I mentioned before, like you can be successful

1:10:41 at a lot of things, but if you're not operating for the God giving intended purpose of why

1:10:44 you were created, which is relationship with him, and then from there, what you do, your

1:10:49 career is not your calling.

1:10:51 Your career is what you choose to do.

1:10:53 Your calling is what you must do.

1:10:56 And I'm super pumped to say that I do know what I must do is to fulfill this God giving

1:11:03 calling in my life to start the Kings Academy.

1:11:07 And that is the next generation, the youth program that we're rolling out, these kingdom

1:11:11 entrepreneur mindset shifts, because I just think, man, if I even at 15, I didn't learn

1:11:18 all this stuff at 15, it was over the last 20 years, really.

1:11:22 But if I could start to feed that into my daughter, into others of the like, it is our

1:11:29 responsibility, because if we don't do it, who else will, it is our responsibility to

1:11:34 lead them in the way.

1:11:37 And then once they get old enough to make their own decisions, that's on them then,

1:11:41 right?

1:11:42 But I'm going to do everything in my God given power to lead them to help them make decisions,

1:11:47 make wise decisions, right?

1:11:49 You mentioned in the school system, there definitely needs to be structure and order.

1:11:52 We serve a God of structure and order.

1:11:55 And what I want to do is put parameters in place based upon core values that Ellie has

1:11:59 already even established in her young 10 year old life, where she knows the decisions that

1:12:04 she makes are based upon the core values that she's established, not what culture is putting

1:12:09 on them or what her classmates or society.

1:12:12 And that's why I'm even excited for her to actually go into back into school and be that

1:12:18 actual thermostat, not the thermometer, right?

1:12:22 And I believe if we want to, if we want to change anything, if we want to live a legacy,

1:12:27 if we want to leave a legacy, excuse me, we have to live our legacy right now as example

1:12:32 for our kids to see, so we can pass that baton on to the next generation that are going

1:12:39 to go into politics that are going to be the next world leaders.

1:12:42 Because if we don't do it, who else will?

1:12:45 It's going to come down to the kingdom entrepreneurs.

1:12:47 Man, that's so cool.

1:12:49 Because that's one thing that we've been asked to do as well is like, okay, Kyle, this is

1:12:52 great.

1:12:53 The man stuff, but I've got sons like, what do I do with these people, you know, in terms

1:12:57 of the man stuff?

1:12:58 And then how do I tell my daughters what a man should be?

1:13:00 So it's great with what you guys are doing to take the stuff that that you're learning

1:13:04 now because you're teaching as you're learning, you're constantly taking in content and spewing

1:13:08 out other content as well.

1:13:10 I think that's going to be very, very important for entire families to be able to go through

1:13:13 your stuff.

1:13:14 I mean, you think about these other entities, whether it's a Dave Ramsey or a Robert Kiyosaki,

1:13:18 like they've got their main thing, and then they've got the kids version and then they've

1:13:21 got the family version and there's, there's so many things that you could do.

1:13:25 Those are just the two guys that came to mind in terms of the money side that that's very,

1:13:28 very important for a lot of folks to do, but Riley, man, I'm a fan.

1:13:31 I'm a fan of what you're doing.

1:13:32 I'm a fan of the stuff that you've got going on and I'm so thankful that you're willing

1:13:36 to even share with our audience.

1:13:37 Again, guys, I'll put that in the show notes.

1:13:39 Again, I'll go back to my notes here.

1:13:41 Text upper room to 727-472-3860 to get the application and then schedule one on one with

1:13:47 you.

1:13:48 But man, we've covered a lot of ground in the last hour or so.

1:13:50 Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?

1:13:52 Bro, that I can't believe it's been an hour.

1:13:55 Yeah.

1:13:56 I just do want to honor you, man, and what you're doing.

1:13:59 I'm so grateful for the charge that you're leading.

1:14:03 And again, I do just want to encourage your listeners.

1:14:06 If you guys are liking this content, know that Kyle leads your support, right?

1:14:11 And she'll obviously continue to listen, share it, get the word out there.

1:14:15 But if you're moved and this is change your life, support him financially.

1:14:18 So, remember that kingship principle, you reap what you sow, this is what it's, if you're

1:14:24 receiving, it's only your obligation and your duty to sow back into that person that you're

1:14:29 receiving from.

1:14:30 All right.

1:14:31 Very thankful for that.

1:14:32 And thankful for you.

1:14:33 Riley Meek.

1:14:34 Thank you for coming on Daunton Life of Man's podcast.

1:14:35 See you, brother.

1:14:37 There you go, guys.

1:14:38 I hope you enjoyed my interview with Riley Meek.

1:14:39 But before I let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost.

1:14:42 Adam Daunton Life, our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that

1:14:45 for just spiritual mental and physical resilience.

1:14:47 So guys, just a reminder, like that was really cool that at the end, he's like, hey, I want

1:14:50 your guys to kind of have, you know, something with me.

1:14:53 So if like, if you guys want to meet with him to talk to him a little bit more about

1:14:56 the upper room, again, I've got my notes here, just text the words upper room.

1:15:00 So you PPER room, R O O M upper room to 727 472 3860.

1:15:08 So 727 472 3860, my understanding is he's going to send you back an application and

1:15:14 then you can schedule a one on one with him to kind of talk through this.

1:15:17 So like, again, guys, just you got to understand for a guy like Riley, and again, I record my

1:15:21 intros and outros after the interviews, like you never know what someone's going to be

1:15:24 like on the interview.

1:15:25 You never know what they're going to say.

1:15:26 And so the fact that he said this and he offered this, knowing what I know about him and his

1:15:29 inability to really get extra time, that's a really, really cool thing.

1:15:33 It's a really, really unique thing that I hope a lot of you take advantage of.

1:15:37 So the links I've got for you today, I've got a link to Riley's website, which links to

1:15:40 most of the other stuff that we talked about and he talked about.

1:15:43 And then one link specifically to King's counsel, so you can check that out as well.

1:15:46 All right, guys.

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