PHILIP ANTHONY MITCHELL | Contend (Ep. 985)

Let's be honest, most men drift. We wake up, we scroll, we work, and then we just rinse and repeat. And we know we're softer than we should be. That's why I built the 31-day resilience reset. This is not a devotional. It is a field manual for men ready to stop drifting and start fighting back. So, for 31 days, you'll train your spirit, mind, and body with scripture, prayer, and daily challenges that forge real resilience. Go to www.undaunted.life/31. life/31day to download this resource for free. That's undaunted.life/31day. Start your reset today. Hey guys, real quick. I just wanted to remind you that we have an official Undaunted Life store. You can go to shop.undaunted.life or check it out in the show notes. Guys, we're always going to have hats and shirts and a bunch of other awesome stuff. Go there, support us, wear the mission. Again, it's shop.undaunted.life. Check out the link in the show notes. Shop.undaunted.life. This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it. All right, guys. We got a very special guest on the podcast today. His name is Philip Anthony Mitchell. So, if you guys have been online and if any of your social medias know that you are a Christian, you have very likely been shown a clip of him preaching. He is an absolute firestorm, just an unbelievably ferocious preacher. He is the lead pastor and founder of 2819 church in Atlanta. And he's also the founder of the 2819 Institute. And he has a new book out right now called Contend, Standing Boldly for Biblical Truth while winning the war within. Now, I don't really say this very often because you never know how an interview is going to be received and you never know how it's going to age. There's all kinds of things, but his interview coming out around the same time as my interview with Chuck Swindoll, I don't think is an accident. Uh, obviously the impact that Chuck Swindoll has had on Christendom, uh, the the story's been very well written because he's been in active ministry for over 60 years. And Philip Phil Philip Anthony Mitchell in terms of most ministries, he's still relatively early in his in his walk in terms of being a lead shepherd even though he's been doing it for a decent amount of time. But the difference of being in the room with someone like this versus trying to pull it off digitally is significant. It's substantial. And I'll say for me, I knew I could probably get this interview digitally, but I was like, "No, I got to try to pull this off in person, either here in Oklahoma City, in Jacksonville, where I could obviously use the 1122 studios or to go right to him in Atlanta." And that's what we ended up doing. I came out to in Atlanta and he and I didn't get to interact very much before we started recording cuz you know as you can imagine when you're trying to release a book which is already in the top 10 on Amazon bestsellers and when the when we did this interview it was two weeks before the release of the book right he's backtoback wall to wall oh and also he's got to write sermons and then deliver them on Sundays right and just we hit it off from the very beginning and then right when we get into the interview if you've ever watched Phil Anthony me Anthony Mitchell preach or if you ever ever watched an interview with him, you can tell he's a very serious guy. He's always very serious, very stoic. He kind of keeps things to the point. He feels this overwhelming burden for the gospel and getting it to the ends of the earth. He feels this burden as being the shepherd of his flock. But as I was reading his book and from what I know about his bio, it's just you can see his life is marked by all these different, I guess, hinge points or uh times where it's like, okay, from this point forward, life's just going to look a little bit different. And so that's what I focused on in this particular interview as you'll see because he had a very early moment uh in his life and this was I guess in his adult life. It was an early moment but he was experiencing suicidal ideiation but then Christ found him. He got saved however you like to or prefer to say it. And then he had a couple of interesting experiences that changed his life irrevocably in terms of his personal life and his own ministry work. we had whenever he was in Israel whenever he went to Jerusalem and then there was another thing that happened in Turkey thereafter we discussed that and then when we get all the way to the end the question I asked him at the end cuz I was like hey in terms of turning points hinge points of your life it's not just the first three things that we discuss in our discussion and all the things that we went into in between there's still a last part there could be another turning point I asked him about it and what's interesting you won't see any video of this but after the interview is over we just kind of you I was dabbing him up like, "Hey, you know, thanks for having me." That kind of thing. And he just grabs my hand and it was the hardest, like it was the hardest dab of my life. And he just holds it and he was basically like, "I can't believe you asked me that question." Not like in an accusatory mean way, but he's just like, "I've never been asked that before. I just can't believe you asked me that, dude. Bro, why' you why'd you ask that? Why'd you ask that?" And then we got to have a very interesting conversation thereafter that'll remain between the two of us. But this is an incredible interview. Uh I could feel it while it was happening. Just the connection he and I were making over his content, over ministry in general, over him just knowing that 95% of the people that are going to hear this are going to be men. Shout out to the 5enters. But what is he doing to equip these men? And you could tell he really took that tact as we went into this discussion. Just like with the Chuck Swindoll interview, I really think this is one that you should watch. Again, I I almost I almost watch none of my content. And so if there's ever a problem on on the YouTube video or something like that, please let me know cuz I probably won't see it. I just listen to stuff. But this is one maybe just listen to a one-time speed and just really really glean some of the wisdom from the one and only Phil Anthony Mitchell. And so guys, without further ado, let's get into it. Pastor Philip, it's always weird. I try to like welcome people to my show, but I'm I'm in your neck of the woods. I'm in your backyard. So how in the world am I supposed to welcome you to your own studio? >> Yeah, man. >> Is that how we're supposed to do this? Well, thank you for having me on your platform. >> Yeah, >> even though we're here in Atlanta. >> Yeah. Hey, you've uh it was great to have y'all inviting me out here to do this. I'm excited to talk to you about the new book. Um I kind of feel like as I was thinking through how we were going to handle this conversation, I feel like the autobiographical stuff has kind of been taken care of. Like people can read for themselves. Like >> there's so much that you bring with the new book and with kind of your ministry and your style. Like I'm I'm good to just kind of launch in if you are get into the real stuff. >> Yep. Your podcast. Let's do it. >> So, when I was reading your book and as I, you know, I've listened to your sermons, I mean, for a while and from what I know about you, you've just had so many points in your life where it seemed like, okay, this was a turning point. >> This was a hinge point. Here was another hinge point. Here was another turning point. And so, I actually want to I want to read a quote from the beginning of your book because it'll kind of launch us off into what we're talking about. This is from chapter one. I became a follower of Christ in November 2003 over a toilet seat in a bathroom alone during a time when I was wrestling with suicidal ideiations and was even rescued from a failed suicide attempt by a believer named Tiffany who used to twist my locks. In the years since I was saved, I have witnessed a pervasive fallacy thriving inside the church constantly blaming Satan as a principal source behind the eroding influence of the church and in many places around the world completely killing the influence of the faith. And while the enemies of our souls accuses the saints before God interferes in the lives of the redeemed and inflicts harm upon God's people has limited reach and power were exposed when Jesus declared on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall now prevail against it. That's Matthew 16:18. >> Yeah. >> And so that's kind of hinge point number one. Obviously whenever you received your justification, began your, you know, really began your sanctification journey. But from where you came from to even get to that moment in that bathroom, I mean, the odds technically weren't with you except God had an anointing on your life. So, I Let's even go back to that bathroom and kind of what was going through your head and we'll just launch from there. >> Yeah, man. I was um by the time that bathroom experience came, I had been uh had been in the world uh very heavy from maybe about age 12 um till about age 24. And um I did everything wrong, man. And I was selling uh you know crack cocaine at the age of 12. I was robbing people at gunpoint by the age of 16. I'd been in and out of prison cells uh as a teenager and um although I was raised in a Christian home and I was far away from God and um and I just hung with men that uh we were just in the street and uh by the age of 24 I had what I would call um the outward uh trappings of like worldly success. You know, I had a I had a Q45, so I had a dope luxury car. Uh I had a beautiful girlfriend, you know, half black, half Asian, all the things. I had a couple dollars in the bank. I had a dope apartment, dope furniture, but I was very empty on the inside, right? I had no peace, had no joy, I had no sense of direction, no vision. Um and so on the outside, I was seem okay, but on the inside, I was very, very empty. Um this one night I was in my apartment alone and uh I had come to the point where I thought it's like the pain on the inside was so great I could alleviate that pain if I just took my own life. I had no concept of heaven or hell. I had no concept of eternity. And back then I thought eternity was like when you go to sleep. And so I thought if I can just un alive myself it would alleviate the pain that I was going through. And so I I had a shotgun. I sat down on the floor. I didn't have the courage at first to pull the trigger. Um I was drinking uh to try to get to that place. And when I got to that place, man, God sovereignly sent somebody to my apartment that night. Um she came in, my door was unlocked. She saw me on the floor with that shotgun on my lap. She walked over to me. She sat down next to me. She grabbed my hand and she said nothing. her presence talked me off the wall and uh God saved me that moment in terms of not pulling that trigger. And just a few months after that um in an apartment again, this time with my girlfriend, she gets into a car accident. She comes back to the apartment, she puts on gospel music. It's the first time in my life I ever heard gospel music and she's walking around the apartment. She has her hand raised. She's praising God. And I had this thought and this was the thought that would change my life. I said to myself, "Whatever that is, I want that." And I crawl into a bathroom and I started yelling at God. And God met me in that bathroom. He saved me in that bathroom. Changed my life in that bathroom. Changed my heart. And I knew my heart was changed because for the first time that night, I tried to lay with my girlfriend. It was the first time I felt convicted for sin. And I knew something had changed in my heart. And so uh that was like the major defining moment of my life when the Lord Jesus Christ came and saved me for himself in that bathroom. >> When your story, you know, it's a story that we've heard. It's a tale as old as time in terms of we try to reach out and get the trappings of this world. We try to get the money. We try to get the prestige. We try to get the respect. And if you don't just get it handed to you, you try to go and take it. >> Yeah. >> And you know, I grew up in a a pretty rough area that had a lot of guys that were kind of chasing the same thing. And I mean, I remember hearing you talk about, you know, Solomon recently, like, look at where he came from, from Song of Solomon all the way to Ecclesiastes where he's basically talking about how everything's vapor. >> It's like, but dude, you had everything according to what the world said. Yeah. >> You had all these women, you had all this wealth, you had all this wisdom. Yeah. >> And even though he gained all that wisdom, like look where he ended up. >> Yeah. And so the the struggle that I have because I mean even in your book you talk about you know it's really about the influence of the church and the waning influence of the church and one of the main reasons you get for that is biblical literacy >> and so because even when people become Christians some of them are like great I get I get my get out of hell free card but then they don't spend any time in the word >> and um I'm sure you saw the 2025 state of theology survey that was done by liganir and lifeway >> and I've just been obsessed with what it came because it gave gave all this data and then it's like okay what do the data mean? But about 50% of self-described evangelicals, Philip, so you had to answer Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Bible is the highest, you know, authority in my life, like all those things to even be in the survey pool. >> About 50% of them think, "Yeah, people sin here and there, but we're all generally good." >> About 50% of them only >> think that marriage is between one man and one woman. >> And then about 50% think that God accepts the worship of all religions, including Islam and Judaism. And so I know as a pastor that hits a little bit different, but I I'm trying to come up with some sort of an apologetic for why people could get to that place. And all I can come to is well, they don't actually believe it's the word of God because if they did, they would actually read it. And so even for you as a new Christian, like how how was your, you know, relationship like with the word and what do you see in terms of that problem for the modern church? >> Man, that's um a very powerful thing that you broach. Um and even as you list those stats, um my heart is broken just to hear it. >> Yeah. >> You know, um I think about things like that and it it brings me to tears. I cry, you know, and um when I think about the beginning of my own journey, um my formation from the very beginning uh was very rigorous what the Holy Spirit did with me personally. Um, I was saved in November 2003 around the time The Passion of the Christ had just come out. You remember that movie from Mel Gibson? >> So, it was the very first movie I saw uh after I was saved, maybe not even that long. A couple weeks after I was saw that movie, >> it had a very profound impact on my life. It left an indelible imprint on my heart from the very beginning. Seeing that graphic depiction of what Christ suffered for us on the cross uh really rocked me, deep in my soul. Um uh I had met a man who put a Bible in my hand maybe about a week after I was saved and he said to me uh if you're going to know God you got to know this word. You have to know this book. And so I begin to read the Bible very very aggressively. Um the first book I ever read inside the scriptures was the book of revelation. I don't know why I did that but I read the whole thing from beginning to end. The second thing I read was Daniel. I don't know why I did that but I read it from beginning to end. And then I started reading the proverbs. And so from the onset I had this consciousness of uh the end both for the believer and the unbeliever. Uh I had this consciousness of the fleeting nature of the life we live um from the very beginning. And so that helped to shape me from the very beginning. And then I turn on my computer searching for anybody I can listen to. I had no church home at the time, no community. I come across this voice um who's gone now. His name is Dr. Charles Stanley. >> I begin to listen to Dr. Charles Stanley and then men like Billy Graham and others. And um and so from the very beginning, I had this this formation uh I think that was very deep. Um that God did a work on me from the very beginning. I was sharing the gospel with people. From the very beginning everywhere I went, parks, in the streets, all the things. And so from the very beginning, I knew the importance of God's word. I had a concept of eternity. I had a concept of heaven and hell and what was going to happen and in those things they stayed with me for my entire walk. Um what I see happening today I think is very catastrophic. We have a generation of Christianity believers that are coming of age but disconnected from the word of God. >> Oh yeah. >> And so there is a there is a semblance of Christianity that is separated from scripture and as a result of that biblical illiteracy is rampant. And because biblical literacy is rampant, you have a whole generation that is more susceptible to false teaching and false doctrine and false ideologies and false beliefs. There is much synratism right now in our generation. There's a lot of mixing of satanic things with the word of God and unbiblical things with the word of God. And as a result of that, we have put ourselves in a position where I feel like the greatest threat to the American church, it is the American pullpit. It is the false doctrine and the heresies that are coming across pullpits all across America. And when we are biblically illiterate, Kyle, we can't discern truth. Right? This is the blessing in knowing the scriptures for yourselves. Right? This is why I encourage people everywhere I go. Don't just depend on podcasts and preachers for all your theology, but know the word of God for yourself. Read it, listen to it, absorb it, because the more truth that you know, the easier it is to discern a lie. Right? And so when you have a generation that gets all of their theology from social media and from reals on Tik Tok and Instagram, but they don't take time to absorb the scriptures for themselves. They will thumb. They will like, they will heart, they will financially support, they will sit down in rooms with men who are false prophets who misinterpret the scriptures, who abuse people and essentially are leading people astray. In fact, a careful reading of the New Testament will reveal that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude, the apostles, their biggest warning to the people of their day was not just look out for the devil. Look out for the devil. Look out for the devil. They will say things like, "I know that after we leave, ravenous wolves will come in behind us, not sparing the flock, leading people astray into all kind of seducing doctrines and heresies." And so, it is the absence of biblical illiteracy that is putting many people in danger right now as we're being led astray by so many false doctrines. And for some people, man, it's going to cost them their soul. >> So, I was talking to a guy from Logos the other day. He's been there for like 30 years. His name's Scott. And he said, "Do you know what cohort of people in the population use AI more than any other group? Christians, >> but you want to hear something sobering, you know exactly where I'm going with this. >> They're getting their discernment on the Bible from things that have been programmed by pagan atheists in California." >> Yeah. >> And so, and they're trusting what the AI tells them above what their shepherd is going to tell them, right? And you know, one of the things like our our mutual brother Matt Chandler, we've talked about this. You're here in Atlanta. I'm in Oklahoma. Trying to contend with people that already think they're Christians. >> Yeah, man. >> But I call it country music theology. Why do they think they're Christians? Well, they were born in the South. They're patriotic. Uh, you know, they got baptized when they were a kid. They own a Bible. I mean, it's got an inch of dust on it, so they got to blow it off before they go to church on Easter. Uh, when they vote, they vote Republican. And if they listen to music, it's '90s country. Can I get an amen? And God's pro all that stuff so I get to go to heaven when I die. >> Come on, man. >> The problem is is it just doesn't comport with what scripture tells us about cuz God doesn't have grandchildren. He only has children, right? He saves first names, not last names. >> And so, cuz you brought up like the things you talk about in the book, it's lack of discernment, the pulpit. Some secondary reasons for the fall of the church is entertainment masquerading as worship and also wolves and sheep's clothing. The quote is wolves don't hunt in the open, they hunt in the shadows. But we're we're in this point now where, you know, the other quote on the pulpit is sermons that sounded more like TED talks and proclamations of the word of God. Leaders fear those in their congregations and they're terrified of their own members. >> And so it's like, if you're the mailman, are you scared of what the mail says? No, you're just delivering the mail. And we have so many pastors that are just basically like, "Okay, I need to soften this message as if they work on God's PR team." It's like, "No, no, no. You you just you're just the delivery mechanism of the word of God. Let's faithfully stand on it." But I really want to key in, Philip, on this lack of discernment. >> This really started whenever uh Charlie Kirk was murdered September of last year. >> Within a few weeks, you just start hearing these conspiracy theories and these things about what happened and what actually happened and oh, let's look at a map of where he was shot and look, I can draw some points and oh, oh my gosh, there's a pentagram and like all these things. And you have these people that have gained prominence and lots of lots of money from basically throwing things out there >> with no substantiation. >> They're just asking questions. Philip, I'm just asking questions, right? I'm just trying to get get this word out. >> And then you have smart people, >> moral people, good people, people that make a good living, they have a great family, they just get whipped up by this. >> And when I was sitting with Howardon, you know, he talked about, you know, and I mentioned it, it's like a bewitching. M it's like they've been provided scales for their eyes, not discernment for their brains. >> And as a pastor, it's got to be like absolutely heartbreaking cuz as a podcaster, it's heartbreaking. But when you see people, it's like, how how can you not see that this has no truth in it? man, you know, this thing that you you broach right now um I, as you're talking, I I'm thinking about the the many mornings I'm flat on my face in my prayer closet and I'm shedding tears over the state of the body of Christ. Right? Like right now, I'm wearing a sweater that says, "Awaken the bride." >> Let's go. >> Right? I'm wearing a sweater right now that says, "Awaken the bride." And it it is the urgent cry of the generation, right? Social media has been a great tool for the advancement of the gospel. We know that, right? God has allowed men to create certain type of technology that has allowed us to spread the gospel much further than previous generations. We thank God for that. However, the enemy has also hijacked a large portion of all of media. The scripture calls him the prince of the power of the air. And what I see what I see, Kyle, right now all over social media. Some of the things that you just talked about is what I would call delusions of Satan uh running rampant all over social media. I made a post about this not many days ago. the delusions of the devil running rampant on social media in which he tries to merge a little bit of truth with a little bit of lies and package it in such a way >> that the discerning person, you and I will be able to pick up on things and say, "No, this is not accurate." But the non-discerning person would just run with these lies. That's right. >> Right. The other thing too that's also catastrophic about this, bro, and and this is something that's a pet peeve of mine. Um, in all of that you talked about there is also the sin of slander and how it makes money. There's a lot of people right now who are growing very wealthy because of slander which is sin in the sight of God, right? And so you seize on a circumstance on a moment and then you would you would use that circumstance on a moment whatever the case to feed that circumstance a moment with a lot of heresy lies delusions um all type of um demonic things uh all type of things rooted in ignorance but it's paying the bills right and is boasting their platform right and so there is a there is a type of I would say like a financial uh evil a profit as a result of some of these things that people are making. And I think that too, man, is very very catastrophic in our generation. Anybody can grab a microphone and start spreading lies, attract the crowd to themselves, and pay their bills through their YouTube following. Uh, instead of making content that is fruitful like what you and I are doing right now, um, instead you have people that are making money off of these kind of lies. And that too is tragic right now in our society and in the body of Christ. man. >> Well, let's specifically talk about the body of Christ cuz when I go back to episode one of this podcast, we're coming up on a thousand episodes. We've been doing this for almost a decade. >> Wow, bro. >> But when I first launched the podcast, I had no illusions that anyone would ever listen. I was like, eventually I'm going to have dozens of listeners to this thing. I'm going to be crushing it, right? So, here I am with my $50 Snowball mic and my laptop in my closet at my house. Come on, man. >> No pants cuz it's hot in there, right? And there's no video. And so, it's like, you know, I just get in there and I open the door when I'm done and I finally get to breathe. But from the beginning, >> I was like, I'm gonna work as unto the Lord as unto an audience of one. >> And if you don't like it, that's fine, right? Because again, you don't want the gospel message is offensive, but you don't need to offensively present it, right? And we're covering faith, culture, and politics, and that makes people that gives people tummy aches sometimes when you talk about things and you kind of you cross some different borders. But one of the hinge points, and I'm so glad you hit it in your book, one of my hinge points in my faith is what they call worship music. >> I was telling your uh assistant here earlier, we were having a nice conversation and I said, cuz I became a Christian when I was 15, you know, so I grew up in kind of the underground metal, hiphop, that world. And so when I got to becoming Christian, I was like, "All right, awesome." And then I got handed Christian music. I was like, "Oh no, I don't like this. Like, what's happening? Is something wrong with me?" When I was in my 20s, I'm sitting down having lunch with a worship leader in Oklahoma City and I just kind of casually mentioned I was like, "Yeah, you know, I'm not into I don't really like Hill Song or Bethl. It's just not really my style of music." And he goes, >> "Brother, I'm not sure you're saved." >> Wow. >> I was like, "Sorry, what?" He's just like, "Yeah, if you don't if you don't like God's music, you're going to hate eternity because that's all they're going to play." And I'm like, "First of all, that sounds terrible. Second of all, I don't think you can say that to me like and judge my faith based on my musical taste because worship is the macro category. You know what? There's metal worship. There's country worship. There's indie worship. There's there's rock worship. There's there's all these kinds of worship music. It doesn't have to just be CCM, right? You know, chorus, chorus chorus bridge chorus key change, chorus. Again, let's just repeat this for the next 74 minutes of our lives. And so, you say in the book, >> entertainment masquerading as worship. >> Yes, man. So, the worship replaces Christ-C centered lyrics with self-focused anthems. I don't know who said this first, but I love the quote. You will sing your heresies before you believe them. >> Man, listen man. One of one of the things one of the things that that that bothers me deeply about this area, two things. Something you mentioned before, I want to come back to in this something you mentioned before. I just want to I just want to touch on when you talked about I was talking I I write in my book about pastors who are afraid of their congregation. Yeah. Right. The prophet Ezekiel when you read through his book what he wrote God confronts him about his fear of man and there is a conversation with God in Ezekiel if people can go and read it about blood on the hands of those who are afraid to preach the truth. Right? I think one of the greatest things that can happen right now that I uh I feel emotional if God would baptize his shepherds in a holy fear, a reverence for him that is stronger than the fear of and would unravel their hearts from being so tethered to this life that they would remember they're going to give an account to somebody one day. >> That's right. >> And that all these platforms we're trying to keep with compromise, they're going to wash away on the shores of eternity. Right. In light of eternity, why would I tone down a message where Jesus gave us a warning in the end not to add to it? >> That's right. >> Not to take away from it. And Paul told Timothy, just preach the word, man. The word is alive and active, not my opinions. >> Mhm. >> The word is alive and active, not my dogma. Right. And I would that God would baptize this generation of proclaimers with such a holy fire from chairs where we're doing podcasts to standing on platforms if he would baptize all of those who are behind microphones with a type of holy fear cuz that's what's gone out of the church, bro. >> Like reverence for God has gone out of the church. And as a result of that, you have proclaimers who are more afraid of the people they're staring at than the person that put them in that position to preach. Right? and they do their people a disservice by doing that. Right? Because I I think what's happening right now is we're capitulating to culture. We're more concerned about people in seats than people in heaven. And as a result of that, man, we do have more sermons that sound like TED talks than biblical proclamation, orthodox Christianity. Right? My whole thing is like we got to get free from that. It has to be a chain that breaks off our wrists. And we have to love our people enough to be willing to tell them the truth even if it brings conviction, challenge, confronts them because that's what's going to sanctify them in the truth. Jesus says, "Sanctify them with truth. Your word is truth." So I I just want to I just want to not bypass what you said because I thought what you said was very powerful. But but this is one of the things I cry about, not just for myself, bro, but for um every person that God has raised up to proclaim. I shed tears over them. That God would burn them in their heart. They would understand his supreme nature as holy. They would have a reverence and a fear for him. And that in their proclamation, in their podcasting, in their writing, they will write like people on fire for a holy God tomb, which we will give an account to in the end. Jesus said, "Don't fear men. Don't even fear the people that would kill the body, but fear the person that would throw body and soul in hell." So, are we more afraid of Jesus? Are we more afraid of men? So I think I just want to see that happen in the hearts of proclaimers and then to go back to this last thing that you said um that I think is very important man. >> Can I put a pin in that before you go there? You said another thing. >> Pastors and ministries have placed themselves downstream of culture >> so they can get the plaudits and the applause of culture >> and then they will simultaneously complain about their position as being downstream from culture that they have no influence in the culture. It's like you don't influence a culture by trying your best to be like it. >> Come on man. right? You put yourself above it. Not in terms of holier than thou, but if you are proclaiming the word, it's like you might need to reread Hebrews because the writer of Hebrews probably Paul says you're going to have to give an account someday for how you shepherded your flock. And guess what? We're not going to be looking at the back of your baseball card, how many subscribers you had, how many downloads, how many book sales, how many of that stuff. >> It's like it's your holiness and how you shepherded your flock. You were given a specific flock. The internet is not your flock. Your flock is your flock. And so, and but that goes into the worship. It goes into everything. But it's like, I'm sorry. I just don't take your complaints about your positioning and culture that seriously because your action show that you don't care that much, >> man. You remember the account in Isaiah chapter 6 when the young Isaiah, probably somewhere in his early 20s, he has a vision of the pre-incarnated Lord. He sees him in all of his glory and splendor and he sees God as supremely holy. And what is Isaiah's first response to his revelation of the supreme holiness of the Lord? His first response is not a prayer for his vision board. It's not a prayer for a platform. It's not a prayer for anything. His first response is a recognition of his sinful nature before a holy God. That's number one. His second response is a recognition of the sinful nature of his nation, his land. And as he's arriving there in his sinful nature, the Lord responds to him, burns him in his lip, which is a symbolic of his salvation. Burns him in his heart. And then he hears the counsel of the Godhead saying, "Who can we send?" Isaiah responds to say, "Send me." And we stop there, but we don't read the rest of the chapter. Then God tells him, "Go out and prophesy." Right? And let's just paraphrase what God says, right? God goes out and tells him, I'm going to paraphrase, go preach the truth until only a remnant remains. >> And don't be afraid of nothing. Period. And that's what we need to tattoo to the hearts of all of our proclaimers. Preach the truth. We own podcasts. Speak the truth. You got a book. Write the truth until a remnant remains. And don't be afraid of anything. We just need men to be Can I just talk freely? >> Let's go. >> To stop being cowards, right? Stop being cowards. Stop preaching with our tail tucked between our legs. Stop being so addicted to the applause of men. Some of us do, we treat the applause of men like a shot of heroin in our left arm. Like dopamine. It's like get free from that. A lot of people can't even proclaim the truth of God's word because they're so addicted to the approval of people. That's right. Right. And if we would just get free from the addiction of the approval of people, we would have the courage, the boldness, the testicular fortitude. The testicular fortitude. I want to use another word, but I want to be respectful of your audience, right? But we men, >> they're used to it. But uh >> so the testicular fortitude, the courage, the gall to just stand 10 toes down for the Lord Jesus Christ and our posting, our proclaiming, our preaching, our podcasting, our writing. We need we need that type of men and that type of generation to rise up right now. That's what we need right now. And then as it relates to worship, right? We we don't want to bypass that, right? Nobody down here has a monopoly on worship, right? This is heresy. No one, no one down here has a monopoly on worship. It wasn't our idea. We didn't create it. Didn't come from us. >> Worship and I tell our people who worship originated in heaven. It came from heaven. It is a glorious thing. And God who was multifaceted in how he created mankind gave us different iterations of that, different expressions of that. Like what you was talking about, no one has a monopoly on it. My whole thing when it comes to my personal desire around worship, this is me. This is Philip Anthony Mitchell talking. I love songs that are very vertical in nature that exalt the person of Christ. And uh above all of the songs that put us at the center, I think there's a lot of songs that are secular humanistic in nature. >> Yeah. >> And they put us at the center of everything. Um and I try to stay away from songs like that. So I think that God has given us variety um in what we listen to. Um but worship, we don't have a monopoly on that. It came from heaven. It should be us as unto the Lord. It should be glorifying the Lord. Um, and the person of Christ should be at the center. That's my personal opinion. But, >> hey guys, real quick. I know a lot of you train for very specific things. So, maybe you've got a mud race coming up, a mountain hunt, a 5K, or maybe you just want to keep up with your kids, or you just don't want to let the old man in. But for a lot of you guys, whether you're working out at the Globo Gym, or even your garage gym, you get there and you just don't know exactly what to do. And so you just kind of settle for the same old workout routine. Maybe some bench press, bicep curls, a walk on the treadmill, and you know, you're not really getting the most out of your workout plan. And I want you guys to stop wasting time at the gym. No more settling. It's time for you guys to get a guide to help you reach your fitness goals. And that's why I want to remind you about my good friends at Mountain Tough. Mountain Tough is a fitness and mental toughness app developed by military special operators and mountain hunters that's becoming a global movement for building mentally tough athletes on and off the mountain. Mountain Tu is a native app ready to be downloaded on all platforms. So that includes iPhone, Android, Apple TV, Roku, and there's more. Once you sign up and download the app or access the website, you immediately have access to hundreds of exercise programs, and literally thousands of workout videos, thousands. So that includes structured hybrid strength endurance programs, daily workouts, the full exercise library, mental toughness training, the Mountain Tough community, and accountability. And you can use it all on the go, online or offline, no matter where you decide to train. So, if you're just getting started, that's great. They have programs for beginners. If you have minimal or no gear where you train, that's not a factor. They have minimal gear and bodyweight programs. And guys, if you're wanting to get into or maintain elite level fitness, they've got you covered with programs for top tier athletes, too. And for a limited time, Mountain Tough is extending undaunted lifers like you an incredible offer. Go to mountaintuff.com. That's mtnuff.com and enter the code kyle when you sign up for a monthly plan to receive your first month free after your 14-day trial. So that's 6 weeks free to make sure this is for you. I'm sure it will be. That is six weeks free on the best-in-class physical and mental training app in the world. So stop wasting time. It's time to get real fitness results. Let my friends at Mountain the way again. Go to mtntuff. That's mountain.com. Promo code Kyle. >> Well, and Philip, we we also have to realize, okay, what was Lucifer's job in in the heavenlies before he was uh cast down? >> Man, the Bible says in Ezekiel's body was made out of musical instruments and pipes. >> Isn't that so interesting? >> And that he was responsible for worship more than likely when he was in heaven. >> So, doesn't that make sense then? So, our mutual buddy Joby Martin talks about how Lucifer got tired of being looked through to the Lord and he wanted to be looked to and that led to his downfall. >> Why would you think that he would not use his job in heaven down here to lead the flock astray? >> Of course, he's doing that >> because you got people that are worshiping at the altar of music or beats or rhythms or, you know, chord progressions or whatever. And so you can lead people astray because whenever people, you know, told me they're like, "Oh, that that music you listen to, God wouldn't like that. It's got demon notes in it, whatever those are." And I'm like, "Well, all the men in this band I know they're all followers of Christ. That worship band that you like, the lead singer believes all this. Everyone else is a paid session musician. They're all pagans. They're management. They're all atheists. Like they just know that this is their way that they can make money." >> And for me, and I I believe this is similar to you, like I God put me on this planet to equip men to push back darkness. That's my job. That's what I try to do with my show. That's what I try to do with my platform. >> And I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea. I'm not going to be everyone's flavor. >> Come on, man. >> But I can't point to an exact moment of when that became apparent to me in terms of how I approach what I do. >> Come on, man. >> But it's like I'm I'm not going to mince words with you because my words make you uncomfortable. >> Yeah. >> Now, I got to maybe check myself sometimes and be like, "All right, I went a little bit heavy there and that just wasn't ne necessary." >> Yeah. You and I both. >> But most people, most pastors don't have the problem of going too heavy too often. Yeah, >> it's the exact opposite problem. >> Yeah. They're scared of the women in their of their in their church because four waves of feminism have taught these women that somehow they're not sinners and have taught these men that if you try to correct behavior in any group of people, much less a cohort of women that, you know, be damned essentially. >> But this even goes back to, you know, looking at your life in terms of turning points. 2018 in Jerusalem was a turning point for you. major. >> I mean, it seemed like it changed everything about everything in terms of how you approach ministry, how you approach what you put in your closet, how you approach just about everything. And I'm going to read a short quote from the introduction. >> Uh, I mean, it's a longer quote. I'll just do the shorter part of it. How long will we ignore the global and local warnings of the end? Getting into esquetology here. While the spirit of God continues to sound alarms all around us before we take seriously the call to pray, the call to stand, the call to spread the gospel, and the call to contend. So that's coming from Jude. That's obviously the the through point and the theme of your book. >> But if we go back to the Garden Tomb in Jerusalem in 2018, there's been a lot of people that have been there that came away with the picture and the experience and they got to tell people about it on Instagram or back when they get to their Sunday school class. But that had a profound impact on you to where you've always seemingly been a bold, forward, extroverted kind of a guy, but you were able to point it in a much different direction whenever you had that experience. So, I'd love you to share that with my audience. >> Yeah. I was um at the time I was pastoring for about 8 years and uh I think I was searching for identity. >> Mhm. >> Um if I could be fully transparent, I look back on that season and I think I was dealing with some vanity in my heart, too. Had some jealousy around some other men, other ministries, and all these things. I'm trying to find my own voice. And I said, man, I I need to get out of the United States. The air here is so toxic. So I went to Jerusalem. I went to Israel and I spent 10 days there and my wife and I and a group of other believers. We kind of tooured the whole country from the north all the way to the south. I had been fasting and praying and asking God, you know, to speak to my heart while I was there. He said nothing to me until the very last day, December 8th, 2018. Bro, I go into the Garden Tomb. I come out the garden tomb and off to my right I hear I hear singing off to my right but it's not in English it's in a language I don't know right you know I'm a bold dude I don't care so I just I just bard my way into the into the into the gathering I don't know if you know if the if the audience would hear I just push my way into the gathering I bard my way in there and I mean I'm the only black dude in there >> and I'm lifting my hands and I can feel the presence of God although I don't understand a word that they're saying I can feel the presence of God. And then a dude from my bus slips in. My wife slips in. Another female slips in. There's like four or five of us in the back. And then the dude at the front who's leading the gathering, he motions to me, Kyle. He says, "Come to the front." I walk down to the front. He starts talking to me in a language I did not know. And by God's providence, the gentleman who was with me on my bus understood the language. He starts interpreting. He's speaking in Portuguese. M >> and he said to me in Portuguese, he said "Um this way." He said, "Young man, I've been to your nation. I see how large parts of the church is like dead and dying." He starts talking about the compromise in America. And he says, "Do you want to go back to your nation and do something about it?" I said, "Yes." And I burst into tears. I fall down on my knees and that company of believers from Brazil, they lay hands on me. There was a young lady who captured that whole moment. I've posted this on my social media and it was like in that moment, God was using that company of believers and that man to sort of charge me to go back to the United States and cry aloud and not spare not. I tattooed the whole thing on my arm like I see your ink. Ink is dope. I got a whole sleeve on my left arm. I took that whole encounter and I slept it on my left arm. And um and for me, that was my that was my Isaiah 6 moment. That was the moment where I feel like God burned me in my heart. I recognized his holiness. I was done with my foolishness, done with my vanity. When I came back to United States, I set off on a journey to ring out my heart completely from all that was vain, sinful salacious ungodly jealousy covetousness. I started ringing out my heart from all of that sin. Um, I started preaching right through Isaiah. I started preaching exoggetically. I started preaching about holiness. People left my church because of that. They said I I became too radical, too fiery. Um, I started wearing black symbolic of living a daily funeral, dead to culture, dead to myself, man. And I never turned back. It changed the way I preach. It changed the way I saw the scriptures. It changed my proclamation. It changed my dress code. It changed the way I saw myself, the way I saw God. I had never been the same. That moment marked me for the rest of my life. And it emptied me of all of the vain things that I desired, man. It emptied me of all of that, man. I had never, in essence, a man died in Israel and I left him there. And a different man came back to the United States and I've been that man ever since I returned. I've never looked back. So, it reminds me of when uh when when I get uh invited to come speak somewhere like like any good staff or anyone would do, they always ask, you know, you know, what would you like? And what what they're expecting you to say is room temperature water, corn nuts, beef jerky, like whatever. Yeah. >> But I always just say, I just need y'all to be ready. >> And they're like, you know, what do you mean? Like when the when the staff or the pastors like or whatever is praying for me beforehand, I'm like, I need y'all to know what my style is so we know what we're getting into. >> My style is burn it down and walk away. M >> cuz I don't live here. >> Okay. So, if you invite me to, you know, whatchamacallit, Georgia, and you want me to come speak to your men's group or something like that, they're expecting me to come in and do that. Rah, hey, Roy, do pull-ups, read your Bible, and all that kind of stuff. And all that stuff's fine. But it's like, we're going to burn off some stuff. >> I like that, man. >> And then y'all just y'all are going to have to deal with the ashes. >> I like that, man. >> Because if a if the Lord decides to save one of those men in that moment, >> I love that. >> Do you have a disciplehip journey that you're going to start them on? Because sanctification starts immediately. Let's get that going. >> I love that, man. >> What about the man that hasn't been living for real? What about the man that got really really comfortable with sin, his preferred flavor of sin? >> Like, what exactly is going to be your attitude? And and part of that, Philip, has come from, >> the the more I turned 40 this year, the the more I age, the more my son's age, six and four years old, they're incredibly toxic. I love it. But it's like the further and closer I get to certain things, I'm like, >> you just don't care as much about the stuff that doesn't matter. And you will value the things that are valuable. You will sell the field to get the, you know, the the prize of glory. You will do all those different things. >> Yeah. >> But a lot of pastors don't approach it that way because they're like, "Hey, if I talk about this subject, >> yeah, >> people might get mad. They might leave." >> Let me let me say something about that, man. Well, shout out to your little boys. Six and four. >> Six and four, James and Eli. Man, I got a 21-year-old who just got married. I just watched him preach through Acts 1-10 the other night. >> How was that, >> man? >> How did you manage to not just sit there in a puddle the entire time watching your son preach? >> Man, I wept. I told my wife, not only he preached through Acts 1-10 exeetically. >> Um, he was preaching like me without any notes. and three young women surrendered their life to Christ that night and they and they went and baptized them in the river up the street from the school, right? >> I told my wife it was the greatest thing I ever saw in my entire life. In my entire life, that was the greatest thing I ever saw. Watch my son preach to 20 people, win three souls, and then baptize them on the same night. But I got I'm saying this to you. I got I got a 21-year-old, a 20-year-old, 16 and 14. The days are long, but the years go by very quickly, >> man. Love those children. disciple them, be present with them. Uh when you're home, be present. Um there will only be six once, only be four once, and then you're going to have grown men getting married and doing God's work, and enjoy them while you have them, man. You know, I just I just want to parenthetically insert that the days are long, but the years go by very fast, man. And congratulations. You're about to be 40. Very important. Um it's I just want to I just want to throw that out there, man. But you said something about uh very important, you know, burn it down and leave. Um I love that language, bro. I love that language. Burn it down and leave. And and this is why this is why I love that language. I think this is important that we say this. Peter wrote something very important that's like tattooed to my heart. Peter said, uh, Peter said, "I I feel overwhelmed just thinking about it. All of this is going to dissolve." Right? Pause. Right. Peter said, Kyle, he said, "All of this is going to dissolve." Those are very, very, very profound words. All of this is going to dissolve. this podcast, my platform, >> this book, everything is going to dissolve into the light of God's glory and is going to dissolve into his judgment against those who have rejected him. All of this is going to dissolve when we understand that everything we see right now is going to dissolve into the light of God's glory. When Jesus returns to set up his millennial kingdom, when he will return to lead us into the eternal state, we start living with a sense where our heart does not have to be so tethered to the affairs of this life. We get so disconnected from being so overly attached to right now, it starts helping us to realize what is important >> and what is not important. We have a lot of people who don't think about eternity. They think this life is all there is. They clutch it so tight and so they misuse the days and the times that they have here. Right. But I'm older than you, brother. Right. I'm a few years your senior. So, not only I'm I'm a little bit older, and I say that because the older I get, the more I want to steward my time well. >> Mhm. >> The more I realize I have less of it, and the more I think about eternity, the more I want my days to be spent doing things that are fruitful, I want to ROI on my time. I don't want to waste my time giving it away to things that are sinful and foolish and it's not going to matter. So, it's changing the way I do marriage, the way I disciple my children, the way I do ministry, what chairs I sit on, what interviews I do, all the things, all these things matter more to me because I have left time, but they matter more to me because I know everything is going to dissolve. And in the end, Kyle, the only thing that's going to remain is what you and I have done for the Lord Jesus Christ. >> That's right. All these other monuments that men are trying to build to themselves, they're like sand castles. I talk about this in my book sitting on the edge of the seashore, right? With no barrier of convictions. And when the when the time >> false comforts of our sand castle ministers, >> come on, man. Man, you you've done your work man. >> Yeah. All of the stuff that we're trying to build right now, these monuments to ourselves, they're like sand castles sitting on the on the beach >> and not knowing the tide is going to come in is going to wash it all away. >> That's right. >> And that's what we're doing. be building all these things right on the edge that's going to get washed away. Instead of building the kingdom, we're building all these other things. See, >> what do you what do you talk about all the time? You talk about the crowns we get here anyway. Where are we going to put them? >> We're going to lay them at the feet of Jesus, right? And and for me, that to me will be ultimate success for me. It's not going to be a following. It's not going to be wealth. It's not going to be platforms. It's not going to be that stuff. is going to be the rewards that I've received and the crowns that the Lord has given me when the day comes where I can lay that at his feet and then thank him for the endless ages of eternity for ransoming my soul and saving me from my dark life and allowing me to do anything in his kingdom at all. For me, man, that's the day I'm looking forward to more than anything else when I get I don't even need to see his eyes, bro. Mhm. >> I know they look like fire. >> That's right. >> I'm good to just see everything from kneecap down and just lay my crown there and I will be content to lay there for the endless ages of eternity to thank him for what he has done in my life. But because we don't think about eternity and because we don't value time. There's a lot of people man are spending all this time building monuments to themselves caught up in all this idolatry. We setting up deegon everywhere. Right? We need God to push those things off the altar of our heart and start taking more seriously the time that we have because time is running out. And because we don't have that much time left, we need to take more seriously, especially as men, how we do marriage, how we pour into our children, how we show up at our local churches, how we serve Christ in every sphere of influence, how we get the word in us, how we kneel, how we pray, how we contend, how we stand, how we ring out our soul from sin, how we show the generation coming behind us what it looks like, what biblical manhood looks like, and all these things. Man, we need that right now in our generation. Talking about biblical manhoods, bro. You know, these are the things that should be important to us when we understand that time is running out on us bro. >> Hey guys, real quick. So, pretty much everywhere you look right now, all anyone in the fitness and wellness world wants to talk about is peptides. And in the last few years, the demand and the market for peptides has gone through the roof. And here's the thing, most people don't really know anything about peptides. They just know that a lot of people they know are on them and are having great results. And here are a few reality checks as it pertains to peptides. One, you need to know what they are and how they can help you. Two, not all peptides and peptide companies are reliable and safe. And third, you need a reputable company that will educate you and help you find the peptides that are right for you. And that's why I want to introduce you to a new partnership that we have with Victrix Wellness. So, Victrix is not a tellaalth clinic. It's not a prescription platform. It is a concier wellness company built around one thing, peptide education. And through Victrix, you will get your own coach, someone who will walk you through the research, the product categories, how to evaluate the quality of the peptides you're getting, and how to find the peptides that are right for you and your situation. So, this is more of an individualized focus and direct approach to your overall wellness as compared to the typical clinical experience. Want to know how the Wolverine stack can help you recover from an injury? Victric can help. and they're the ones that have been helping me ever since I ruptured my bicep and it's just been fantastic. Also, want to know the benefits of the glow stack and what that can have on your physical appearance and recovery? Victrix can help with that. Want to see how certain peptides can help you with sleep, cognitive performance, immune support, sexual health, longevity, and other things? Victrix can help with that, too. And guys, right now, all Undaunted Lifers listening to this can go to www.victtrixwwellness.com/ victrixwwellness.com/kyle to get a free consultation with one of Victrix's wellness coaches. That's viixwellness.com/kyle. The link will be in the show notes. Guys, stop listening to random people on social media that don't know what they're talking about. Let my friends at victwellness guide you. Again, go to vicwwellness.com/kyle. That's vicwwellness.com/kyle. when the time is running out part because I feel like men's ministry because that's the world I live in. I don't even know what that means. Most of the time churches just mean men's programming. It's like all right, let's do a chili cook off, bring a guy into yell and then you know we'll ignore the men for the next 364 days but don't worry on Father's Day we're going to rip them a new one. Um but the same thing is like we had these ministries like go so far to the aggro side where everything was about you know how how in shape you were how much meat you could eat like you know the dirt on your truck and all that like oh that's fine but it's like none of that stuff makes you a man like that's what you know my buddy Joby Martin he's like look you know I got tattoos I you know I hunt that's you know where I get my food and all that doesn't make me a man makes me awesome it doesn't make me a man but we have so many groups like again the burn it down and walk away thing as you were saying as you were talking about that Philip like what did Jesus tell his apostcle apostles before he left. He's like, I got to go. >> Like, so he burned it down. Yeah. >> Like you you know what I mean? He raised he raised from the grave and then he left. >> Yeah. >> But he didn't leave us alone. He gave us the Holy Spirit. Come on, man. >> And Robbie Gout's a good buddy of mine. He said this just broke my brain for a little bit. He's like, I became an expert on the 33 years that Jesus lived here, but we've had the Holy Spirit for 2000. And I got to a point where I was like, I don't know if I even know him. You know what I mean? And so, like, so you think about it that way, but like let's keep this whole thing going. We're going to be here all morning if we keep this up. But we we got to talk about another turning point. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you and I had a similar experience in 2024. You go to Turkey. >> Yeah. Man, >> this used to be I mean >> Yeah. The stronghold of Christianity. You go there and and it's the Muslim call to prayer five times a day. It's you know you have >> Muslims are everywhere. where there's almost just the remnant left there is just the it's like the residue of Christianity is all that was left. I remember my wife and I went to Turkey I don't know 10 plus years ago. We take a picture in between the Haga Sophia and the Blue Mosque. >> I've been there. Yeah. >> Right about a year later a Muslim fundamentalist clocks himself off in a suicide vest and blew a bunch of people up where we were standing. This used to be a stronghold of Christianity and yet now Muslim fundamentalists because there's no such thing as radical Islam because radical would be them not saying what and not doing what the prophet Muhammad told them to do. But if you read surah number nine of the Quran, which is the least abrogate of all the suras, it's also the bloodiest and the calling for the most blood of the infidel. Yeah. So any peaceful passage of the Quran that you could quote on CNN, that's been abregated. Muhammad would say he doesn't even agree with that anymore. But it seems like that trip did something to you to where you talk about we're getting towards the end. What are we spending our time doing? What are we spending our time talking about? Are we doing another fiveweek series on how to live a better life and how to have your best life now or are we contending with the fact that esquetologically speaking, we're getting close. We're getting close here. And as I've I've said before, because I've talked about Islam a lot. You know, I spent a lot of time talking about, you know, progressiveness and and wokeness and all the problems in politics and culture. Okay, that's fine. But that's not who the final battle is going to be against. is going to be against Islam. That that's where all of this is headed. And you know, as a pastor, Philip, if you start talking about Islam, >> if you start saying what the Quran says, what the Hadith say, >> you will be called an Islamophobe. You will be called a xenophobe. You'll be called a hater. You'll be called all these different things. And yet their text just says what it says. >> Our text just says what it says. >> And there is no connection that can be made there. I mean, if you disagree on the person and work of Jesus and you say he swooned on the cross and that he's just a prophet, he's going to help the body with the end times, but at the same time, like he's he's not God incarnate. >> Well, there's no agreement between you and I, right? >> And so, it's this idea where people can't hold things in tension, Phil. It's like, you know, you can hate Islam but not hate Muslims. Correct. >> Do you know that that's possible? Correct. Cuz if you hate the Muslim, you won't share Christ with them. Correct? Right. But we have to hate ideologies that come from the pits of hell. Otherwise, we will not know who we're fighting. Bro, you talked about this in your Nehemiah series from like a billion years ago. You're like, you can't swing on something you can't see. Right. And you got these people that are like contending with Satan. >> But it's like the only way that you can intercede is through prayer. >> Yeah. >> And so it's like the same thing happens with with Islam and with all these ideologies. I'm I'm now I'm preaching, but like I want to get it back to you because I want to talk about that turning point >> of you being in Turkey and feeling like, okay, this is another moment where I'm going to burn the ships from this point forward. So you said you and your wife have been to Turkey. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You know there there are a lot of people who may be watching right now listening, a lot of believers who do not realize that Christianity was not founded in the West. >> Oh my gosh. Yeah. >> Right. >> The Ethiopian Bible is like the oldest Bible that we have. It didn't come from Texas. >> Right. They they don't realize that Christianity was not found in the West. And yet we here right now in Atlanta. We we in the Bible belt. And Texas is like the buckle of the Bible belt. the center of the evangelical world. And I think there are a lot of people who think that Christianity is a western faith. It was born here in the United States of America. Right now, man, when we landed in Turkey, the the very next morning, we wake up in a hotel and I'm all on my balcony. I'm overlooking the AGNC. And as I'm overlooking the AGNC, Kyle, I'm thinking to myself, I got my Bible open, me and my brother, my brother and I. And I'm like, man, Paul sailed across this body of water so often, planting churches all around the Mediterranean rim. And as we walk through Turkey and I'm hearing the the call from the minetses, I'm hearing the minetses. I'm hearing the Islamic prayer, all the things day after day, man, I would go back to the hotels. We moved around the whole country and I would just burst into tears right? And I go tour all of the ancient cities that are mentioned, those seven churches in the book of Revelation, chapter 2 and 3. I did a whole series on that called seven. And I'm I remember I'm standing in the Leo Deia. I mean, the ruins are beautiful. I don't know if you've been there. The ruins are beautiful. Spread out across the hillside. And I'm seeing buildings with crosses on the buildings, right? And then I'm thinking to myself, man, like this land that my feet is on right now, Kyle, was once a launching pad for the gospel. >> That's right. >> To the whole world at that time. This is where Jesus sent seven copies of the book of Revelation to seven churches, right? This is where Paul was establishing churches, right? This was once a stronghold of Christianity. And now there is no semblance of Christianity anywhere. And my heart was grieved. And I write about this when I'm flying out of of Turkey. We're flying out of Istanbul. And I I look out the window cuz I'm sitting in a window seat. I look out the window. I see thousands of all these little gold domes everywhere. >> Yep. >> Moss in the place where houses of worship used to be. And I burst into tears, right? And then I thought to myself, yo, Kyle, peep this. Did the Holy Spirit fail? No. Did God fail? No. Did Jesus fail? No, they can't fail. What happened there? The people who he left to be a witness for him in that part of the world. The scripture tells us what happened when we start reading through the five rebukes of Jesus in the book of Revelation. There is an abandonment of the first love. There is an embrace of compromise. There is an embrace of false teaching. Right? There is lukewarmness. There is all this showiness on the outside but dead on the inside. We want nothing to do with the spirit of God. and all this stuff. These patterns are cyclical and wherever they are pervasive in the body of Christ, in the church, you know what happens? The influence of Christianity begins to decrease. >> Yeah. >> A vacuum is created. And then what has happened historically is that Islam has filled that vacuum. >> That's right. >> Right. Islam has filled that vacuum. So what has happened? They have taken over all of the East. They have taken over all of North Africa. They are conquering Europe. And then that that ideology that that that that force has come now into our shores inside the United States and it's into our shores. And what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to awaken as many people as possible to not hate the Muslim. That's not that's not my cry. My cry is to be aware of what the enemy is doing through that monotheism. That's right. And that for us to be serious about contending for the gospel in every sphere of influence 10 toes down in our preaching, our posting, our disciplehip, what we do marriage, just contend for the gospel, hold the line because this was Jude's message to a generation that it probably fell on deaf ears. And the generations that came behind them, they suffered the cost for not contending for the gospel, compromised, seeded to the enemy lands that formerly belong to God. And the same thing can happen here in the United States if we don't awaken the bride and start contending for the gospel. >> That's right. The bride fell asleep. Y the vacuum was created and the playbook has been ran for about 1400 years and they're really really good at it. >> It's the same playbook >> because here's the thing, you know, everyone likes to talk about, oh, Islam's trying to conquer anything. They don't have to conquer it if you just open the door and let them in. And so like at the same that's not an immigration stance. That's just a thing thing where it's like, okay, you've got this idea that you've created. You've abdicated your responsibility. you've abdicated your leadership and like the wolf's in the house now and you're the one that opened up the door and put some kibble on the floor for it. And so at the same time I I don't understand the people that are like kind of like trying to pick around the edges and call it out a little bit but not fully. And I think part of it is just laziness. They don't they don't want to learn what the what the Quran says. They don't want to learn the impact that the hadith says. They they they want to use phrasiology of like oh it's a religion of peace even though they don't know anything about the history. Do you know about the concept of tea? Have you ever heard of tea? >> Yeah. Is is is the process in which they would, let's just say, openly lie. >> Is exactly right. >> Openly lie and deceive to position themselves in power and then unleash hell on the people who are not paying attention to what's happening. >> Right. >> It's almost like we have this this uh this desire for this false sense of inclusion, right? We think love is just inclusion. No, love is contending for the faith. It is preaching the gospel. It is winning the Muslim to the Lord Jesus Christ. That's right. but is also not being silent about what is happening right now all around the world. It is love is sounding the alarm about what is happening all around the world and is helping us to see especially here in the west. This is not bigotry. This is not closed-mindedness. This is not us saying we're calling for hate. This is us saying just look at what has been happening over the last thousand years. And I'm saying to people, especially in the West, let's not get caught up in our false comforts. Like, this can't happen. You're about to be 40. I'm in my >> I just turned 40 about a month ago. We don't have to talk about it, though. Like, we don't have to cuz I feel like I'm going to pull some sitting in this chair. >> It's all right, bro. You know, after 40, stuff start hurting. But, but we're in our 40s. Um, if the generation you and I in right now don't start contending, that six-year-old you have and that four you will have, >> they're going to suffer the consequence of our complacency right now. And we will they we will seed to the enemy ground that belongs to God. And then they will live in a world hostile towards Christianity where some of the things that we probably enjoy right now would not be there for them. And it's because we've worshiped at the altar of tolerance. And you know who taught us tolerance? Our atheistic pagan culture. Because tolerance is not a biblical ethic. Yeah. You do not have a pet sin. You do not like treat your sin softly. You crucify it. You kill it. Jesus died for that sin, but we don't treat it that way. And it and it's funny you say that because I I look at my boys, I don't know when I I kind of had this in my thought. Every dad kind of thinks they're the point, right? I'm I'm sure Billy Graham's dad thought he was the point, but he wasn't the point. Billy was. Yeah. >> Um I just read this amazing um biography of Alexander the Great. I bet Philip II, Alexander the Great's dad, thought he was the point. Yeah. >> But he wasn't. Alexander was. >> So when I look at my life and I look at my boys, I'm like, what if all this all this all this ministry stuff I'm doing, all these cool opportunities I'm doing is just clearing the pathway for James or Elijah. Man, I I thought about this the other day when I was watching my son preach through Acts. >> I was sitting in the back room watching my son preach through Acts and I thought to myself, "This dude is a beast. >> He's really good. He's executing this text. He has fidelity to the scriptures. He's preaching in the power of the Holy Spirit. He's uncompromising. He's unflinching. He's calling out sin. He's walking that text. Man, it was so powerful. And I'm sitting back there thinking, you know what? One day I might hand over everything that the Lord has allowed me to do. I might hand it over to this man. He'll take it to the next level. I'll be doing something else or the Lord will call me home. Whatever the case may be. And it's possible I'm just laying the groundwork for him to come and take it to the next level. And his level might be what's necessary. It might be the last generation before the return of Jesus. I don't know, right? But I had this thought while I was sitting back there. I might be doing all of this to just turn it over to him, you know? Who knows? But my whole thing is I I'm so thankful to seeing him. Man, you got me emotional, bro. I'm so thankful I can see in him a 20-year-old 21 years of age non-compromising not afraid to proclaim the truth, not afraid of the people sitting in the chair, filled with the Holy Spirit, preaching God's word, working the text, not adding to the text, not taking to the text. Perfect ex of Jesus, not afraid, and calling out sin. And I was so proud of him, man. I didn't even know that was in him, man. I'm sitting in the back just blowing away, man. Say, man, dad lord, this kid, he's better than me. >> But you know what? He's learning from you. So, when you were sitting with with our buddy Howardon. >> Yeah. >> And you talked about ah, you know, I wish I was more polished and all that. And probably one of the greatest moments from that certainly it's going viral all over the place is how he was like, "Yeah, I pray I hope that prayer doesn't come true." Because when you see a lion take down a zebra, >> the first thought you have is not polish, it's ferocity. >> And what's lacking in the pulpit is not polish, it's ferocity. >> That has been the air that your son has been breathing since he's been alive. >> Yeah. >> He's living off of the trails of your ferocity. So it's stealing his nerves. Stealing his resolve sel. Stealing his nerves and resolve to give him the launchpad by which he can be ferocious. So I keep I was telling your staff before this. I keep a a picture on the background of my phone. It's lion for them, lamb with them. >> Lion for them, lamb with them. >> For my boys, if they only ever see lion, they'll be anxious and terrified because the lion's around all the time. and they, oh, is dad going to be mad? Is something going to be like that? That's a problem. If they see lamb all the time, though, and they know the lion's not available, they're going to be anxious as well, cuz what if a wolf shows up, >> right? >> But my boys need to know that I will try to show them lamb as much as possible, but that the lion is available. >> Come on, man. >> And when that opportunity presents itself, I I was talking with Tim Ross on the basement about this and like it just kind of came out. It's like they need to know that these hands will never hurt them and will never harm them. But these hands stand ready to shed blood if someone tries to hurt them. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Right. >> But those boys don't know that that was a conscious decision that their dad made. It's just going to be the air that they breathe. >> Right. It's just going to be natural to them. >> Yes, ma'am. But what they're not going to see is the crushing >> that men that live at the tip of the spear, which you and I to different degrees are at the tip of the spear. Yeah. >> They're not going to know what that crushing feels like because the flaming darts of the enemy are either going to hit us, hit our shield, or hit someone next to us that loves us. >> Yeah, man. >> When we're back in the back, right, with everybody else, the odds of us getting hit are really, really low because we're with the crowd. >> Yeah, man. >> Uh but I was talking to you about Chuck Swindoll um earlier tonight. Yeah. And he he gave this quote at a conference back in the you know 2009. He was actually quoting Allan Redpath but he said when God wants to do an impossible task he takes an impossible person and crushes him. Leave room in your life for the crushings because that's the part of the curriculum that very few people talk about. And I mentioned that um that Alexander biography that I read there's the there's a Greek playwright that you know preceded Alexander. He he basically started the idea of tragedy. Like he was the father of tragic writing. Um I don't know how to pronounce his name. A E S C H Y L U Slicis. Whatever we'll call it a clickus. Uh anyway, he said, "Every great man must suffer greatly." That was a quote that Alexander had that was spoken to him at different points. >> Every great man must suffer greatly. >> But Philip, let's look at let's look at your trajectory. Let's look at what we see and contend. >> That's my life. You've reckoned with doubt. >> Yeah. >> Depression. Yeah. >> Anxiety, comparison, imposttor syndrome, suicidality. And isn't it so interesting that almost every ferocious man of God at some point in his life had to reckon with should I just end it all? All of them. Like there's got to be something to that. And I was thinking about this last night uh when I was getting ready for this. Like I think the suicidal ideiation thing that's like a Hail Mary from Satan to where he's like, "All right, I'm not omnisient. I'm not omnipresent, but I got this dude's playbook. I kind of know what could take him out, but he's not taking the bait. I'm just going to throw this idea out." Ah, man. You should probably just end it all. >> It It's like a It's like he's losing. And so it's that guy at the end of the fight, into the fifth round. He's down four rounds. He's about to lose the fifth, and he just starts winging punches, hoping it catches the chin. M >> it's kind of feels like that, but it's it's a move of desperation. The thing is is he wouldn't do it if it didn't work. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because it's worked before and he's done it. >> Yeah. >> But I'm just curious for you like that that crushing that people feel that are in the position of pastor or prophet or or those kinds of things. How you reckon with that to where it doesn't take out your bride, your sheep, your children. Yeah. because it could be this all-consuming thing that's hard to overcome. >> I think you perfectly framed what my experience has been since 2018 and more so in the last 3 years. Um, what you've articulated has been so profound and yet so personal to what I've experienced, bro. Um, my life has been blessing and sorrow juxtaposed to one another. It's been blessing and warfare. Um, I said to someone before, for me, ministry is not an exercising personal glory. It is a cross that I carry personally because everything I'm doing now I did not want. I did not desire. I did not desire to be a pastor. I did not desire to be in a pastor. I did not desire to have platforms. All the things I didn't desire any of this stuff. For me it is it is a cross that I carry. Literally it is a crucible for me. Uh ministry traveling preaching writing all of it. It exposes my insecurities. It keeps me on my knees. the warfare I deal with, the attacks, threats on my life, all the things. These things keep me on my knees. It keeps me in the presence of Jesus. Um, it keeps me humble. It reminds me of where my strength comes from, right? And there's something about it I think that the Lord has done. He's helped to shape my character in it all too. There is a crucible of fire that I think has been necessary for me. I I'm not sure if I would have stewarded well all that God has done in my life in the last 3 years without the crucible that has come along with it. I think it is it is part of the package. I was thinking it's man it's so powerful that you just said that bro last night I was in my kitchen very late. I was there by myself and I was just kind of thinking about the Lord and I was meditating. my wife is in bed and my kids are in bed and I was thinking to myself, Lord, I've I've suffered a lot in the last three years in private um a tremendous amount of suffering and warfare. And I thought to myself, um but in all of that, I've identified so much more with you and your suffering. >> Right? It is humanistic for us to want to be near Jesus only for what his hands could provide. And so we love to talk about blessings, right? But I also think being able to suffer with him, there's also a blessing in that. There are men listening to this right now who maybe love God with their whole heart, are doing their best to love their wife, disciple their children, but they're suffering somewhere in their life. They're dealing with some crucible, some cross that they're carrying, and they think that makes them less of a man or that God is man. No. In Philippians chapter 1, the Apostle Paul ties suffering, and he says the word grant. There's this much suffering that the Lord allows us to go through and it comes juxtaposed to the things that he's doing and it allows us to be more identified with Christ. Mountaintops, man, are moments. We get there, we celebrate, and you look over and there's another valley there. >> God has probably done more to shape my character as a man, as a husband, as a father through the things that I have suffered in the valleys I've walked through more than just the moments I've stood on mountain tops. Right? And so I I think that that in my suffering, even I was thinking about this last night, I said, "Lord, you've counted me worthy to suffer the way you've suffered. They called you a person full of a demon, they've said the same things about me." And then this question came to me, Kyle, I was thinking like, if they called the Lord Jesus Christ a demon, persecute him to the point it cost him his life, why would I expect any treatment better than the Lord, right? No, I I expect to suffer as my Lord suffered to some degree. I should embrace that. And I see the work that God is doing in me as a result of that. Matthew, our boy, our mutual friend, he just wrote a book called Becoming More Like Jesus. >> Yeah. >> Right. You seen that book. He just tried to become like Jesus. >> He and I, we was doing a round table about that book. One of the most powerful things he put in that book, uh, if you if you haven't got it, shout out to Matt Chandler, one of my closest friends in the ministry, a real ferocious man of God. He wrote a book called Becoming Like Jesus. You should get it. But one of the things he talks about that book, he said, "The Christian walk is like a coil laying on his side." >> That's right. >> Right. And when you think about a coil laying on his side is a constant up and down. Up and down. >> Not up and down. >> Up and down. Not up and to the right like we want our stocks and our investments to be, but up and down. Up and down. up and down. And I thought that was one of the most powerful analogies I've ever heard. >> Not only because it is biblical, but I've experienced that. >> It's up and down. That's the bib, that's the life, that's the Christian life. Up and down. Up and down. There's this coil up and down, up and down. We will remain in that cycle until we see the Lord Jesus Christ face to face. And so, uh, I think in my in my immaturity, I would want to run from suffering. I would pull it out of the pages of my story. um in my maturity now I see the great work God has done in me by allowing me to suffer the things that I suffer. This is different than suffering for foolishness. We're not talking about like open rebellion and sin against God. And as a result of your bad decisions, you're suffering for your bad decisions. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about lentiousness and ungodly behavior. We're not talking about that. We talking about suffering for righteousness, suffering for taking a stand, suffering for having gospel conversation like this and not being cowards to talk about the truth, proclaim the truth, write about the truth, defend the truth. If we suffer for righteousness, blessed art, right? Great is our reward in heaven. And so there there is something that God has done in me, something I'm sure he's done in you. And we we bring all that full circle to say this is the crushing that we endure that produces the oil. Let's just say the type of anointing we carry for being serious men of God about his word, about his kingdom, about his great commission, right? You've been in you've been in Israel. Have you been in Israel? Have you been? >> Uh, no. >> You haven't been in Israel. Okay. If you ever make it to Israel, you will you will see in and around Jerusalem um the remains of Olive Press. At the bottom of the Mount of Olives is the uh the Garden of Gethsemane. They say some of the trees in there about 2,000 years old. It's surrounded at a gate. They don't let people go in. But around the bottom of that mountain, um if you go around the areas of Jerusalem, you'll see the remains, the ruins of ancient olive press, these massive stone jars, and they would put the olives in, roll the stone, and there was this filter that goes through the bottom which the oil would come out. And I remember I was staring at one of those olive press, massive stone structures. And in my mind, I'm envisioning that stone crushing all those olives and the oil coming out the bottom. And I said, Lord, this is what you do to men and women of God that you put your hand on. You crush them. And what produces that is the oil, a type of anointing in which we carry. And there's a price for that anointing. There's a there's a price we pay for being anointing. And that is a crushing. So when I when I even feel what's coming off you, the anointing on your life, right? I'm sure you've paid a price for where you are right now. >> Y >> I've paid a price for where I am right now. You're probably still paying a price. I'm paying a price, right? And this is one thing for people to to to be jealous of a person's platform, but you have no idea the price they paid for where God has put them. It's like you want the platform, but you don't want the process that they went through. Right? So I just want to can I just encourage the men who are listening. I just want to encourage the men who are listening. Man, I just want to encourage the brothers who are listening who are doing your best to do marriage, parenting, working a job. You're pursuing the Lord Jesus. You're opening your Bible. You're dealing with insecurities. You're dealing with warfare. You know, you're dealing with pressures from the world. You're dealing with all the things in culture. Brother, I want to encourage you to stand. I want to encourage you to keep deepening in your intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. I want to encourage you to not run away from the things that the Lord is putting you through. I want to encourage you to not see the crushing you're going through or the warfare you're going through as God has abandoned you and his hand is not on you. I want to say to you, my brother, if you're in the will of God, you're striving towards the Lord Jesus Christ and you're feeling the pain of the crushing that's happening right now, know that the God is working something in your character. He is perfecting your faith. He's producing in you what will be a better husband, a better father, a better leader, a better proclaimer. This is not because you need a mic or a stage or platform like a Kyle or Philip Anthony Mitchell. No, this is for right where you are on your job as a husband, as a father, in your home. The crushing that God is allowing is perfecting in you a deeper character, a deeper intimacy with God. He's allowing you to fellowship with him in your sufferings, in his sufferings. And what you will come out on the other side, every time you go downward in that coil and come back out, you're going to come out a stronger man, a wiser man, a greater husband, a greater father. Your children will be better because of it. Your wives will be better because of it. Your girlfriends, your daughters, they will be better because of it. And I just want to encourage you, my brother, who's being crushed right now. Doesn't mean God has abandoned you. I mean, he's working something in you. >> Yeah. Somebody needed to hear that, bro. >> And and Philip, I just love that you went there because Gethsemane can be translated as the place of the crushing because of where the the olive presses were, those big stones and pillars. >> And Jesus was crushed in the garden. >> Yeah. He was crushed so much by the weight of our sin that the blood vessels around his forehead burst. You know what I mean? >> And you know, even as we wrap up here again, looking at your life, looking at what you did with contend, you have the turning point of coming to faith in Christ. You have the turning point of what you experienced in Jerusalem. You have the turning point of what you experienced in Turkey. Mhm. >> And over the last year, year and a half or so, I've kind of been obsessed with this idea of finishing well. >> So, my buddy Phil Robertson finished well. >> How old is he? >> Well, so he was in his 70s when he passed. >> He passed. Yeah. >> Uh, the great John MacArthur finished well. >> Yeah. He was in his 80s when he passed. Yeah. >> The lion Vodie Bacham. We thought we had more time with him, but the, you know, the Lord had other plans for him. He finished well. And when I talked to Chuck Swindoll here recently, he's been in ministry for 60 plus years. He's in his 90s. He He's in his fourth quarter. And um >> I love that you're going here. I love this. >> I asked him the same question I'm going to ask you. >> Yeah. >> Because you're still in the fight. >> Yeah. >> You're still in the game. >> And Satan's still trying to take you out. >> And he's not going to stop. He will not stop until you go into the grave or until Jesus comes back to get his bride. So if Satan were going to try to take you out, how would he do it? That's a powerful question. If Satan was going to take me out, how would he do it? He would stir up hatred in the hearts of porns and they would probably try to threaten me to say denounce Jesus or die right here. like he's probably not going to get me with compromise cuz I've been there. He's not going to get me to abandon the faith cuz I almost been there. He's not going to push me to take my life cuz I almost been there. I would be somewhere preaching hostile towards the gospel and not make it home and be pushed to stand for Christ or abandon him in that moment. If he was going to take me out, that would be his best try. Um, and if I could make it to that point or any point and in my heart I could say at whatever age, but this is my end, right? I fought the good fight. I kept the faith. I finished my race. And I can say in my heart now it has laid up for me a crown that the Lord is about to bestow upon me. And if I can say that in my heart, no matter what my end look like, I would have finished well. I don't know no other way he's going to get me. Unless God brings me home through old age or sickness or something else, he would have to get me. Standing 10 toes down for the Lord Jesus Christ. being willing to lay down my life. It reminds me of these two young white dudes, Moravians, who heard about a group of Africans, on a prison island. And the person that owned those slaves said, "No evangelists will ever step foot on this island just off the coast of Florida in the 1700s." They had wives and children, two young men, and they heard about those prisoners on that island. And they cared so deeply about getting the gospel to them, they sold themselves into slavery to get to that island, boarded a ship, bound for that island. Their wives were standing on the dock, shouting at them, "Please don't go. Please don't go. And one of those young Moravian shouted at the top of his lungs. May the lamb who was slain receive the rewards of his suffering. They were never seen again. They left wife, children, and comfort. And they gave their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ. right? For the sake of others and they saw the giving of their lives as a reward unto the Lord Jesus Christ they finished well may you and I may the men who's watching may the few women who's crept into the podcast who belong to the Lord Jesus Christ may we all finish as well without testimony intact that we left everything on the battlefield for the one to whom we're going to give an account. May we all finish well. That's my answer, bro. >> Would you pray for us? >> Dang. Eternal God and of wise father Kyle and I, we humble ourselves right now in your presence. We thank you for how you rescued us out of darkness and brought us into this marvelous light and given us the privilege of being called sons. You've given us something to do inside the kingdom. Thank you Lord for this platform. For the people has reached for the men who are listening watching right now. God for the women who has crept in. Right now in the name of the holy one. I pray you would set a fire to the hearts of all the brothers and sisters. I pray you would reveal to them the supreme nature of your holiness. I pray you would give them a revelation of how time is running out, how life is fleeting and short, and how we all would give an account to you. I pray you would free them from the fear of men, from being handcuffed to the approval addiction of people. I pray you would make them bold. You will make them courageous witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ in every sphere of influence. I pray you would teach these men and these handful of women how to pray, how to listen, how to seek your voice, how to read your word, how to hear your heart. I pray you cause them to love what you love and to hate what you hate. I pray you would give them wisdom and testicular fortitude and boldness and courage in the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray God in the name of Jesus their feet will go down the paths that lead to righteousness and purpose. They will not go to the left nor to the right. I pray you would teach them to ring out their heart from sin and you deliver them from vain pursuits and even ancillary pursuits of things that seem noble that will not matter in the end. teach them to contend for the faith that was handed down to us in blood once and for all by the apostles. And I pray for those who may be listening who are not saved. I don't even know how they ended up here if they are. I pray you would radically snatch them from the fires of hell and that you would save them and fill them with your spirit and bring them into the kingdom of light. I pray on the other side of this podcast would be greater contenders in this hour and that we all would be like the sons of Issakar who rightly discerned the times and we knew what to do about it. I ask all these things, Father, and the things I'm not smart enough to pray and that you would bless my brother, his wife and his children, his ministry and his podcast. I pray blessing and favor over him in the mighty and the majestic and the matchless name of our sooncoming king, the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and amen and amen. There you go guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Philip Anthony Mitchell. But before I let you go, I got a couple of things for you. We're going to do a quick resilience boost at Undaunted Life. Our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. I got a link to where you can buy your copy of Contend. That is his newest book. It is absolutely fantastic, guys. I read it cover to cover and also a link to where you can check out everything that's going on at 2819 Church. Thank you everyone for listening to this episode. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe, rate, and leave us a positive five-star review. If you want me to come speak live at your event or on your podcast, just shoot me an email to info@undaunted.life. Follow us on Instagram and like us on Facebook. And check out our website for everything else, including how to donate to keep more content like this coming. www.undaunted.life. The music on this podcast is the song Conqueror by the Christian metal band Void Awaken. Be sure to stream their music on Spotify, Apple Music, and wherever else you get your music. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness. Keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. Keep seeking the Lion of Judah. Heat. Heat.