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This is Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Our guys today, I got a very special guest on the podcast.
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He is the one and only Phil Robertson.
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So he is a professional hunter, business man, and a reality TV star.
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He is the patriarch of the great American family, the Robertson's.
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He's the founder of the great company, Duck Commander.
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He was featured prominently on one of the biggest reality TV shows ever,
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and that was Duck Dynasty.
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Also, he's the author of several best-selling books, including Happy, Happy, Happy,
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Unfiltered.
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That's with a Ph.I.L. in the middle, The Theft of America Soul, and Jesus Politics.
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And today we're going to see you spending really a lot of our time
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focused on a new book that is out right now called Uncancelled,
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Finding Meaning and Peace in a Culture of Accusations, Shame, and Condemnation.
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So it's his brand new book.
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I was so happy to get an advanced copy of it and to read it before we did the interview.
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It's out.
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If you're listening to this right now, it is out this week.
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It is good to go.
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You're able to take it in.
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The thing with his books, his books are very simple.
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They get to the point.
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They're quick and easy reads, but he's getting into a very, very pertinent topic
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to our modern time, and that's cancel culture.
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That's what the entire book is about.
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And as you can imagine in this interview, and if you've watched any interviews with Phil
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or listened to his podcast, this didn't go in any way, shape or form,
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the way that I thought it would, but then in a way it did.
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Because I prepared all these questions.
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I wanted to talk about all these different topics, but I'm like,
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I know Phil's just going to go and talk about whatever he wants to talk about.
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And I was ready for it.
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So we were going to spend some time talking about Duck Dynasty, the show.
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We didn't talk about the show basically at all.
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We didn't get into, you know, why the show came about and all those different things.
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We did get into his early life, we got into, you know, how he used to play college football,
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you know, what made him kind of get into duck hunting and, you know,
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professionally and making duck calls and those types of things.
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But we spent a ton of time talking about our modern culture.
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And to be honest with you guys, it was like living inside of Phil's head
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as he was giving a sermon.
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That's what this podcast was about.
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But towards the end, I asked him a question that was basically a continuation
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of the appearance that I made on his show, the Unashamed Podcast last summer,
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because we spent most of that time talking about masculinity and manhood within the
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church and those types of things.
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But I was able to ask him a question that was kind of in that vein.
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I really loved his answer to that.
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But guys, one of the best times that I've had on interview,
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because I just got to shut my mouth and watch this guy do his thing.
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He had the Bible sitting right there on his chair.
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If you're not watching the video of it, the Bible sitting right there on the chair.
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We did the interview basically right there in his living room.
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He's sitting in his chair that he normally sits in, you know,
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from the show or any of the times that you've seen him.
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And we just chatted and he's opening up the Bible and he's just flipping to this
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story and flipping to that story and quoting scripture off the top of his head.
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It was such a fun conversation.
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I was really, really glad to be a part of it.
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I feel very, very lucky to have been a part of it.
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I'm glad I can help bring that to you guys as well.
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But I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Phil Robertson, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Hey, good to be here, man.
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I'm glad to see you again.
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It's good to reconnect.
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And there are a lot of places that I can start this interview with you.
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But we got a lot of ground to cover.
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We're going to hit a lot of different subjects.
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But just to give the audience a little bit of an idea,
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you were born and raised in Vivian, Louisiana.
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So describe for us what it was like growing up in rural northern Louisiana as a kid.
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Log cabin, one man built it with a crosscut sauna axe.
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No bathtub, no running water out of the sink.
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The refrigerator was literally an ash box.
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You go get a block of ice in town.
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Put that block of ice in there where you kept your milk, your cheese.
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So basically we lived, ate a lot of ducks and squirrels.
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Life was good.
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We'd plant a little garden every year and have some potatoes in front of the house.
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But life was good.
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It was a very simple life.
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Well, so talk to me a little bit about that because some people will hear you describe that.
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And they're like, oh my gosh, you were living in Squalor.
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I bet you were depressed.
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I bet you were just downtrodden the entire time.
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But that wasn't what it was like for you.
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Oh, not at all.
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We were perfectly happy.
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We were poor.
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But no one ever said, I never heard anyone say, boy, we are really poor.
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No one ever said that.
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We were doing fine.
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We had plenty of, uh, raised our own beat, killed our own hogs,
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had a smokehouse where you smoked the meat.
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So I was raised and, uh, if you had pulled up there in your vehicle and looked around,
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you would have thought in the 1950s, when I was a boy, I was born in '46,
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you would think it was 1850.
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It was, it was just like, except for an old beat-up forward car,
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it was just like the 1800s.
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My dad was old school.
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So it was like living in the 1800s.
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It's sort of the 1900s.
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Yeah. And I think that's interesting for a lot of people.
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You hear some people that'll go on and do mission work,
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you know, in Africa or other places around the world.
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And a lot of these people don't have a lot of things.
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And yet they're incredibly happy and satisfied.
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Because we don't understand, like you don't need a whole bunch of tech.
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You don't need a whole bunch of, you know, frilly things to make your life nice.
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It's comfortable for a lot of people.
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But the cool thing about you as well is obviously you grew up as an outdoorsman,
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and we'll get more into that here in just a second.
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We also grew up an athlete.
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So a lot of people may not know this about you,
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but you actually got a scholarship to go play football at Louisiana Tech
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in the late 1960s.
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And famously, you were the starting quarterback
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over some guy that no one's ever heard of named Terry Bradshaw.
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So that was kind of a cool feather you got in your cap.
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So, but my understanding, Phil, is that it was your love of duck hunting
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that kept you from really pursuing pro football after college.
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Is that right?
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That is correct.
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I sat Bradshaw down one day, and I said, Bradshaw,
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I said, you want to go play pro ball, play football.
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And I understand that.
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I said, unfortunately, I'm first string and your second string.
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I said, you haven't beaten me out yet.
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I said, well, I don't want to play pro ball.
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I said, I want to go to the woods and live a life in the woods.
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And I said, so I have one more year to play, but here's what I'm going to do.
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I'm going to step out and you're going to step up.
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And I said, good luck to you, but I'll be gone.
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I won't play next year.
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And he said, are you serious?
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I said, yes, I am.
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I heard him not too long ago, a few years, a couple, two or three years ago.
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He made a comment and he said, I'll tell you one thing about that guy.
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He said, he had a quicker release than I did.
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So, Bradshaw had me a little bit on distance.
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I could take a step and throw a football about 65 yards,
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which is fine to go to the pros.
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Bradshaw probably another five to 10 yards.
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He had a gun of an arm.
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I was a little quicker on the release, but 40 years after I told him that,
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you go play pro ball, I'm walking along in the airport in Los Angeles.
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Someone grabbed me from behind, I looked around.
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It was old Bradshaw.
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I said, Bradshaw, you did well, man.
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Super bowls.
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I said, you did great.
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He said, you did pretty good yourself in the woods.
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Making duck holes and duck holes.
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So, we both congratulated each other and rocked on.
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It's a great story, but it's true.
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Yeah, I think you both made out and made the right career choices,
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but I really think that that springboard's nicely into the early 70s,
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into the early 70s, because in 1972, you left your career as a coach.
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You were doing a little bit of coaching.
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You were doing a little bit of schooling there,
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and you wanted to pursue a career with duck hunting, okay?
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But specifically with making duck calls.
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So, you founded Duck Commander, the company in the next year in 1973.
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So, take us through the early days, because I think you kind of got into this,
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because you were really dissatisfied with a lot of the duck calls that were on the market.
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You made a comment, I think I remember where you're like,
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yeah, these duck calls would win a duck call competition,
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but they're not going to call ducks properly.
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So, take us through why you really want to shake up the duck call market.
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What I thought about is this, as a young boy living in the woods,
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I was very familiar, and I became very interested.
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I was into what birds sound like.
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And I thought, I said, you know, these people build these duck calls.
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I said, you know, they're doing their Arkansas high ball,
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and I said, I've never even heard a mallard duck do that.
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A duck can't even do that.
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So, I started, and what I did was, I not only built a mallard call,
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which is about all they had, I built a gap wall call, I built a teal call,
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I built a pin tail call, a witching call, you see what I'm saying?
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In other words, I built the whole gamut, a wood duck, I built a wood duck call.
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So, I just didn't build a mallard duck call, and go to some contest,
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I built a variety of duck calls that sound like most of the ducks on these flyways.
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And as it turned out, the first year sales, by the way,
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$8,000 and I said, Miss Kay, we are rolling.
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She said, we're going to starve to death.
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I said, no, we're not going to starve to death, honey.
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Wait until next year.
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It was about 13,000 the second year, the unlike 22,000,
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the in 38,000, and then 60,000.
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In about year six or seven, we finally hit the $100,000 mark and say,
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I said, we are really rolling now.
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What I didn't realize is about 2014, and I started about,
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after about 30 years, I looked up one day and someone called,
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they said, come sign your 1 millionth duck call we've sold this year.
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So I went up there to the factory and I signed the duck call.
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And we sold that year 1.2 million.
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That's when Duck Dynasty was there.
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And I said, where are all these duck calls going?
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They said, I'm selling more duck calls than they had duck hunters.
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And someone said, it's the women where most of the money always is.
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It's the women who are buying it for their children, for their salons or dollars.
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And I thought, well, why do you know?
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So it just, it was like this at it.
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And now we probably sell 200,000 duck calls a year.
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So it's still going, but it seems like a long way off now.
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But all I do now is, is I fear God and I do what's right.
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That's where we're going to go.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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We're going to go ahead and do a little bit of the work we're going to do.
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Jesus said no more and he snatched you out of it. Go any direction you want to with that.
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I started out as a young man. I was trained very well. My mom and dad both were very godly people.
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As they say, all have sinned and falls short of the glory of God.
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The apostle Paul told the Romans and the wages of sin is death.
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I began to sin and became a victim and I was ensnared by the evil one.
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He's got me by the throat. Now I'm getting drunk, getting high,
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getting laid, not necessarily in that order, but that was pretty well the events I was
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a behavior I was participating in. At 28, so from about 18 to 28, Miss Kay and I, she was with me.
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She left high school and went with me to lose an attack. I just kept getting worse and worse
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and worse and worse until by the time I was 28, one day I looked around. I had run Miss Kay off,
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run the kids off, so I thought I'm like a dog chasing his tail and my little woman, Miss Kay said,
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"Don't you go talk to Bill Smith?" He's a preacher and just listen to what he has to say.
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So I did and when he shared Jesus and the good news, God becoming flesh 2022 years ago. He said,
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"By the way, we all count time by Jesus Christ." He's that big. Out of all the humanity who ever
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lived, our calendar is based on just one of them, Jesus Christ. He died on a cross when I saw that
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and to remove all my sin, I had many. So I thought, "You may need to be wiped clean." He said, "Wipe clean."
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And after he died was raised from the dead, the resurrection, there's life beyond planet earth.
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Immortality is riding on the death barrel and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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All he requires is you love him and you love your neighbor. I said, "I think I can do that."
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The old preacher said, "Trust God and try. You'll make some mistakes. Just remember.
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All your past sins have been removed. None of your future sins are counted against you
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because Jesus got us out from under the written code. And that's why I wrote the book, uncensored.
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Because when I saw Jesus canceled the written code, I'm like, "Whoo!" And he brought us under a
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system called grace. It's a free gift. And when I saw that, I said, "Man, no wonder I would try
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to do good. I couldn't do good." It's like the apostle Paul in Romans 7. This is this. Here's the
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old apostle Paul and this is a doozy. What's this? Watch his logic. Let's see right here.
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Here's the apostle Paul and it's a doozy of a letter. Watch this. We know that the law is
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spiritual. Nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. The children obey your father and mother. Don't
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murder. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. Don't lie. Don't cove it. I'm like, "Yeah, that would work."
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Unfortunately, the apostle Paul is going to remind us that we didn't keep it. We can't keep it.
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Not one. Jesus shows up, he keeps it, and then gets us out from under it. You're like, "Whoo,
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watch. We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual." That's where I was at 28.
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Soul is a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. What I want to do, I do not do,
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but what I hate to do. If I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. Nothing wrong
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with the code, but there's a whole lot wrong with me. Well, look, we're all right. As it is,
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it's no longer I myself who do it. It's sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me that is
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in my sinful nature. That's why when you come to Jesus, your sinful nature is cut away. It's taken
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away. You're like, "Whoo, let's see. I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out."
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That's the way I was until I was 28. For what I do is not the good I want to do. No, the evil I do
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not want to do. This I keep on doing. That's an explanation of what you currently see in America,
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because there's a mighty throng of individuals who are operating like I used to, but watch. Now,
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if I do what I do not want to do, it's no longer I who do it. It's sin living in me that does it.
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The evil one. So I find this law at work. What I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
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For in my inner being, I delighting God's law, but I see another law at work in the
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members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, making me a prisoner of the law of sin
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at work within my members. What a wretched man I am. Who will rescue me from this body of death?
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Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. You're like, that's what happened to me at 28.
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And now looking back at it, I always give them the sinful part of my past up front,
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because the cancel culture is going to find out about what you did probably anyway. And they look
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for mistakes you make, and they are unforgiving to the core of their being, because they do the same
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things, yet they cancel others for doing what they all do. So the wrath of God will be pouring
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out on them. By the way, Romans chapter two, if you want to just get a little update on why I wrote
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this book, you have no excuse, you pass judgment on someone else. Or if whatever points you judge
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the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
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So it's just the cancel culture is a group of sinners that's looking up sins of others,
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and they will never forgive you. Remember Jesus when he died, he said, you know what?
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Forgive them, Father. They don't know what they're doing. So Jesus keeps the law. Look what they did
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to him. 100% flawlessly perfect. Never violated the law. By the way, he wrote it. He wrote it,
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and then kept it, and then got us out from under it and put us under grace. What a wonderful thing
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Jesus did for us. So now I have life and immortality, and the horrors are gone and the drunkenness is
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gone. I haven't said a cuss word probably in 50 years. Someone says, can you ever clean your mouth
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up? I said, Oh, those are the easy ones. Yeah, that's an easy one for sure. And the thing that's
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incredible about your story, Phil, and we'll certainly get more into the book here in just a second.
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Whenever I got to spend time with you at your home and in your studio last year, when you had me
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on unashamed, the thing that kept coming to mind is that you, sir, and your family, y'all are
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marinated in the gospel, marinated in the scripture. And one thing about you, and you've said this before,
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is there's a difference between studying the Bible so that you can memorize it, which is not a bad
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thing versus reading it so much that it just comes out of you, which this wasn't exactly the plan,
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but I think this segues nicely into the new book, which again, thank you so much for sending me an
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advanced copy of this. It's uncanceled finding and peace in a culture of accusation, shame,
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and condemnation. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Hop back in. Well, I would just go to remind the people who
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are listening. You want to hear something that's wild. Listen, this right here. You folks who are
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listening. Am I dreaming? Or is this true? Let's see. Here's the apostle Paul. By the way,
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blasphemer, the apostle Paul, murderer, a copy, persecutor. He was arresting people, throw them
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in prison. And Jesus said, I think I'm going to pay him a little visit, a personal visit. So
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he struck him down on a road going into Damascus. And he, who are you? He said, I'm the one you're
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persecuting. I got a job for you. He didn't even argue with Jesus. He told Timothy, what's this?
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Mark this. Meaning what I'm fixing to say, you might ought to take note of this very carefully.
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Mark this. There will be terrible times in the last days. Hebrews 1 says, God worked through the
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prophets many times and various ways in the past. But now he's spoken to us by his son. He reminds
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us that we now have entered the era of the last days. And people better look out too.
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There will be terrible times in the last days. Let's see if this is familiar. And let's see if the
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United States of America, a lot of people inside it, are guilty of this charge. People will be lovers
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of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents.
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Just look at all our sons and daughters in the streets. And now they're polluting,
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shooting, spray paint, f-view on buildings. You're like, what in the world? Young people.
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They disobey their parents. They are ungrateful. You would think they would appreciate
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a free culture. But they just, they're unhappy. They're belligerent. They're going around
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finding people and blaming them, getting them fired. They are unholy. They're without without
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love. You say without love. What people don't realize is that we're living in some trying times
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because we've lost the ability or renounced the truth that God said, love me and love your
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neighbor. Those are the two greatest commands in the Bible. The Apostle Paul is telling Timothy
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these people in the last days what it's going to look like. You say, good night. The more you
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read in that list, the more it looks like we are sure enough in the last days. Well, what you're
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going to see is people without love. Check this next one. Unforgiving. They look up and they try
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to get somebody fired or they want people to, and they, you know, they're trying to ruin their life
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over and over and you see it growing. Unforgiving. They came to Jesus. Peter said, Lord, how many
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times should we forgive someone who sins against us? Seven. In America, you probably won't even get
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three strikes. You'll probably call out on strike number one. You're like, why are they so quick to
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condemn? They are unforgiving. They don't know God. Therefore, he gives him over to a depraved man.
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What we're seeing swirling all around us is depravity. Watch. They're unforgiving.
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They're slanderous without self-control. Just the drugs. I mean, you're looking out of New York.
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What? What? What? These inner cities. I'm just saying, even out here in the country, we see the
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same things you see in the cities. We're like, come on. Without self-control, they're brutal,
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not lovers of the good. They're treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure. Everything
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now, you have to have women jumping up and down with their boobs, flopping, or you can't sell it.
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And I'm looking at it. I'm like, all I want to do is watch a ball game for crying out loud,
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and they put all this stuff in it. Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
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having a form of God in this, but denying its power. So when you look at it, you say, man,
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that's suck at Timothy chapter three. There'll be terrible times in the last days. I see them
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coming, don't you? Absolutely, Phil. And I mean, that's one of the great reasons why you did write
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this book and canceled. And it kind of goes back to what you said earlier about, you know, in modern
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modernity, we get one strike, right? So you're right in the throes of Duck Dynasty. And back in
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December 18th of 2013, your network that broadcasted your show A&E announced that you were being
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suspended for the show from the show because of a GQ article that came out. In that interview,
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you paraphrase scripture, 1 Corinthians 6, 9 and 10, talking about don't be deceived, neither
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adulterers, no idolaters, male prostitutes, homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards,
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the slanderers, the swindlers, they won't inherit the kingdom of God. Don't deceive yourself. It's
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not right. And of course, those comments didn't go over well because you made other comments about
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you questioning homosexual impulses, you know, rightfully condemning the lifestyle. And A&E
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suspended you 48 hours, 48 hours later, you're welcome back because of the uproar from your fans.
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And that was a really trying time for you. You mentioned in the book, it lost you what you called,
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you know, a cool $10 million, which we don't necessarily need to get into that. But I do want
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to key into something there because Phil, that was your show. You were quoting scripture and it
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costs you, right? And you were doing this interview, you were doing it trying to be well-meaning and
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upfront and honest with somebody. And your words were kind of taken out of context and context was
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added. But the interesting thing that you bring up in your book, and this is from very, very earlier
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in your in your book, it was in chapter one, you say cancel culture may be effective at forcing
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people into submission, but it does nothing to persuade. And I thought that was very critical
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to understanding what happened to you when you were kicked off your own show, because who was
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persuaded to change their mindset on homosexuality because of that situation? Was anybody? You know,
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everyone, it just kind of muddied the waters. But I want you to talk a little bit more about that
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situation with the GQ article that came out and how cancel culture is basically doing nothing to
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make things better. It's just making people more angry. Yeah, exactly. In other words, what
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I didn't realize is when he asked me the question, he had just come from Jason. And he, what the
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question he asked Jason before he got to me, well, you know, I'm seated over here in this same chair.
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Jason was seated at the end of that couch there in Jeptha, that other boy, man, was seated next to
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him. I think Willie and Si were over here. Well, I didn't even know who the guy was. And I never
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heard of the magazine. I asked him, I said, what is GQ stand for? And when he walked in the door,
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they said this is so and so with GQ magazine, I said, what's GQ stand for? Because I really
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didn't know. And he said, Oh, you know what it is. I said, I have no idea what it is. So what he said,
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it stands for gentlemen's quarterly. I said, evidently, I'm not running with the gentleman
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that you are. But I didn't know what kind of magazine it was. The question he asked Jason was,
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listen, first question out of his mouth. He said, do you actually Jason believe that we
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that you didn't have sex with your girlfriend before you married her? You're trying to get us
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to believe that? Jay said, I don't care whether you believe it or not. That's what happened. I
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waited till we married. He said, but I don't care if you believe it or not. He moved to Jeptha and
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Jeptha said he asked him, now I don't know this is going on before he gets to me. He asked Jeptha,
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he said, let's see, how did he word that? He said, oh yeah, he said, when did you start your
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sexual sins? How were you? And Jeptha just looked at him and said, he just kind of gave him a,
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no, I'm not answering. Well, then it gets to me, do you believe homosexual behaviors are sin?
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I just thought I'd give him first Corinthians 6, 9, and 10 off the top of my head like you did.
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I just gave him the text because I thought, if he wants to argue about that, you know,
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argue to God about it. This is what the apostle Paul wrote to the church at Carran, you know,
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don't be deceived. And that all of the goes with it. So 10 sins are listed there. One of them is
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homosexual behavior. I figured that ought to do it. But what I didn't know was it was all a setup.
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So once they twisted it around, I kept watching the news thinking, I wonder if someone's finally
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going to figure out it's a Bible verse. It took three weeks. The news media and the cancel culture,
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wherever they are, it took them three weeks for someone to say, he just quoted the Bible verse
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that talks about that particular sin. And what they all left out was is the final part of that.
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And that with these sins were what some of you were, you were like this, but you've been watched,
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you've been sanctified, you've been justified. So the apostle Paul was letting him know, look,
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you can come out of these sexual sins and this, you know, slanderous swindlers, you can, that all
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that can be wiped away. And you can be sanctified and setified and justified. So if they left that,
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they conveniently left that little part out about Jesus can solve their problems. So to this day,
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but one of the reasons I did write the book, I just wanted to look and see what we have here,
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my man, is a loss of love for God and our fellow man. Check this out. First John chapter three,
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dear friends, let us love one another. Remember, Jesus said, greatest commands in the Bible,
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look God and love your neighbor. Dear friends, let us love one another. For love comes from God.
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Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God
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because God is love. What the cancel culture do not understand. I sincerely love them. I'm trying
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to get them to come to Jesus so their sins can be removed and they can be raised from the dead
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for crying out loud. Right. I don't hate anybody on this earth. I love them. You say, well,
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did you ever come back and get on television and try to answer all that crap they were throwing
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out there? I said, no, you said, what about the people who fired you, A&E indefinite hiatus?
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They told me they said, well, it actually wasn't firing you. We would just put you on a temporary
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hole. I said, yeah, tell me about it. I said, y'all ever get an irate phone call from me? They said,
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no. I said, did I ever say anything negative about you at any time during these proceedings
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when all this stuff is going on TV? I said, well, did I raise cane? He said, you never said a word.
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But cause what it is, whoever does not love does not know God because God is love. So I'm trying
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to get the cancel culture to stop going around ruining people's lives and go to their brothers
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and sisters, their fellow members of the human race with kindness and goodness and joy. Joy,
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love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. I'm wanting
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them to be that way instead of the way they currently are, because the evil one, it'd be the only one
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that can make a hater out of you. You know, as long as chapter two, they're called, a lot of them
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were called, they're puzzle filed. The only place in the battle that's about chapter one,
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about verse 28 and following. They are God haters. And that's the sad part in how the is.
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When I think the thing is, feel that you brought it that was interesting is you talk about love,
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but in our modern culture, love supposedly means letting people do whatever they feel like doing.
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So a good buddy of mine, I had him on my show and he's somewhere between atheists and agnostic.
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And finally, he wasn't rude about it, but he said, Kyle, why the F do you care if I believe in God
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or not? And I didn't know he was going to say that to me. So I was kind of caught off guard.
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And the only thing I could think to respond, Phil, was because I love you, brother,
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because I want you to have what I have, because if we get to the end of our lives and we're just
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worm food and the lights get turned out, then it's no big deal. Like you were right. Guess what?
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We're both worm food. We don't exist anymore. But if there is everlasting life, and if Jesus is
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our way to that salvation, I want you to have that. But that's not the world we live in right now.
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The world we live in right now is this is who I am. You have to accept me for who I am,
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or you're a hater and you're a bigot. And that's exactly what cancel culture does.
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But Phil, one thing that I really liked that you did in your book, which I was not expecting,
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because you did dip your toe a little bit into the political arena by making some appearances
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with Donald Trump and all that stuff happening around 2016 time period. But you have this quote
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from uncanceled that I thought was great. And it was this, what those who call for deprogramming me
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don't realize about me is that I put zero hope in Donald Trump. I liked a lot of his policies,
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but Trump didn't die for me. He wasn't raised from the dead for me. I've met him several times
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and I found him to be a pretty nice guy in person. But one thing I know is that I could vote for him
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a thousand times and still be lost in my sins. He's just a man. Instead, all of my hope is in Jesus
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and he alone is capable of reprogramming me. That was my favorite quote from the entire book. And
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the reason was is because we all get wrapped around the axle with politics. Politics is not
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local anymore. It's federal and we got to get our guy into the White House so that he can put
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our favorite people in Supreme Court and so that all these other things can happen in our state
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houses and blah, blah, blah on and on. But people are forgetting the fact that they are at the
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praised sinful human being. And if Trump had won in 2020, they're still a depraved sinful human
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being regardless of what they wanted to happen. But I guess why did you decide to kind of go ahead and
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you know, almost attack the worship that we've created around our political figures?
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Well, I've watched it unfold and when he lost, I said, you know what? I'm just
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I'm tired of seeing the way this thing goes. Listen to this. This is Romans 13. Verse 8,
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"Let no debt remain outstanding." Hey, you may accept the continuing debt to love one another.
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The reason I wrote the book was to let the people know who tried to cancel me. I love you folks.
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I dearly do. The commandments, whoever for he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law.
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Just think about that. The commandments do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal,
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do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule.
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Love your neighbor as yourself. And here's the key. Verse 10, and I live by this because we all should.
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Therefore, love does no harm to its neighbor. Love does no harm. The cancel culture, that's all
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they do is harm and they get after it. We got you. I'm saying, why don't we try our best to love
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one another and I don't think you're going to be able to do it without faith in Jesus Christ.
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And I'll just present the case to one after the other. This one is in book form. I'm just trying
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to get them to at least investigate Jesus of Nazareth. But it's like pulling teeth. But it's
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been rough all the way since Jesus was here. Look what they did to him. Look what they did to all
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the apostles, but John, they killed them, they slaughtered them. So it's bad now. But during
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the days of the Roman Empire, I'm sorry to say it was probably worse. But we're getting there.
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Yeah, it was definitely worse. There's a there's a great book that's on our book list on our website
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where it really details the first 1000 years of Christian history. It's called tried by fire. And
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it's like, you are not being pulled apart by two separate animals. You're not being dragged down
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stone steps until you're bludgeoned to death. So I think things are they're bad, but they're not
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quite that bad. But one of the things Phil that I think you said, it's like pulling tea trying to
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get these people to love one another and to see Jesus and I completely understand that and see that.
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Part of it is because truth. And I mean, capital T truth is being attacked in our modern culture.
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And you actually brought this up in the book where you point out that the Cambridge dictionary
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actually has an alternate definition of truth, which would be one of the easiest things in the
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world to define. But now it's defined as a factor principle that is thought to be true
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by most people. It's so thought to be true by most people suddenly make something a statement of truth.
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But we live in this postmodern culture where you're not allowed to say something is true.
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Because if you say something is true, that means it's exclusive. And it's if it's exclusive,
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then we can't have true equity, right? We can't have all these buzzword things.
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But from your perspective, is that the thing that's the most damning about our modern society? Is that
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truth in and of itself is being undermined? You are correct. Listen to this. If you hold to my
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teaching, Jesus said this to the Jews. They've gathered around him. If you hold to my teaching,
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you're really my disciples. Just do what I say. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will
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set you free. What's their answer? They answered, we're Abraham's descendants. We've never been
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slaves of anyone, which was a lie. How can you say that we shall be set free? Jesus replied,
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I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. A slave has no permanent place in
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the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
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I know you're Abraham's children, descendants, yet you're ready to kill me because you have no room
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for my word. You're like, boy, that was written 2,000 right at it 2,000 years ago. You're like,
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wait a minute. And you do what you've heard from your father. I'm telling you what I have seen
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in the father's presence, and you do what your father. You say, evidently, we have two fathers
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here. Well, 2,000 years later, let's see. If you were Abraham's children, you would do the things
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Abraham did. As it is, you're determined to kill me. That's twice. He said that a man who has told
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you the truth that I heard from God, Abraham did not do such things. You're doing the things your
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own father does. That's twice. He said, I have my father and you have a different father. Watch.
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We're not illegitimate children. They protested. The only father we have is God himself. Jesus said
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to him, if God were your father, you would love me. I came from God and now I'm here. I've not come
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on my own, but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? And it's muddled 2,000 years later
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too, because you're unable to hear what I say. Here's why they don't see the truth. You belong
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to your father, the devil. Now we've got them identified, their father, and you want to carry
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out your father's desire. He was a murderer all the way back to Cain and Abel. He was a murderer
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from the beginning. Check this out. Not holding to the truth. He was a murderer not holding to the
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truth, but there's no truth in him. That's where all this is coming from, the source. When he lies,
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he speaks his native language for he is a liar and the father of lies. You're like Jesus is putting
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the blame on the evil one. Yeah, because I tell you the truth, that's about four times he's mentioned.
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You don't believe me. What's this? Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? He said, where have I
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gone? Where have I sinned? They're all sitting there listening to him. He said, that's how you
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can know where the truth is. Jesus never made a mistake. He is the truth. And you reject him,
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you will never find it forevermore. You will never find it because the source of truth is Jesus'
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cracks. So it's not like something like rocket science. He just tell him, if I'm telling the truth,
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why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear
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is that you do not belong to God. So let's face it, unless you belong to God, there's not going to be
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any truth, and there's certainly not going to be any love. I would just think that I want them just
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to stop a minute and say, think about what y'all are doing and the way you're doing it. I mean,
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have you at least investigated the one you count time by? Jesus at least just looked into it and
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see what he said. You got Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they all told the same story. Someone
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said, well, why would God be so redundant and repeat himself? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, why does
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he have him given the same message, the same person, what was said and what happened? Why would he do
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it four times? So they can't miss it. Right. You can't miss it. But Phil, you brought up something
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that's incredibly key and it's investigating the truth of Jesus because whenever I talk to friends
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of mine that are that are honest seekers, you know, they get hung up on dinosaurs and they get hung
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up on Jonah in the well and they get hung up on Noah's Ark, they get hung up on these things.
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And all those things are important. Those things deserve investigation too. But I'm like, let's
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save ourselves some time here. And let's go to the person of Jesus because there's no more
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certifiable fact from antiquity than Jesus and Middle Eastern Jewish man was condemned by his own
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people. The Jews was handed over to the Romans was killed on a Roman cross. The Romans were
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batting 1000 for crucifixion. Nobody accidentally made it out alive. But you need to investigate
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whether or not you can believe that he rose on the third day. That is the thing that you need
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to base the entirety of your life off of. And then we can work out from there. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, it's one thing for someone to say something and possibly you won't believe it. But look,
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you get about the middle of Matthew in chapter 16. From that time on, Jesus began to explain to
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his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders,
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chief priests and teachers of the law, that he must be killed. And on the third day be raised
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to life. You turn a page. That's Matthew chapter 16 in the middle of it. He hasn't said that up to
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now. So he brings it up. I turn one page. The son of man is going to be betrayed into the hands of
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me and they will kill him. And on the third day he'll be raised to life. And the disciples were
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filled with grief. You turn another page. Now I'm looking at Matthew chapter 20. We're going up
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to Jerusalem and the son of man will be betrayed to the chief priests and teachers of the law.
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This is the third time they were, I've said this, I've read this, they will condemn him to death,
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we'll turn him over to the Gentiles, the Romans, to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the
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third day he'll be raised to life. So he begins to tell them in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
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this is what I'm going to do. It's one thing where somebody comes along and says, hey,
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let me just tell you something. We're going up to Jerusalem and I'm fixing to die. They're going
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kill me. And in three days I'll be raised from the dead. It's one thing to say something like that.
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But when someone says it repeatedly and then does it, you better listen to him. Don't mess with him.
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Anyone that can predict their own death and follow through with it, like that's a pretty
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good thing that you should probably base the rest of your life on as we do with time. And Phil,
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one thing I wanted to make sure I got into with you is kind of a continuation of my time that I spent
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with you and Al down there in Louisiana on Unashamed. We talked about manhood and masculinity and
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specifically how that seems like it's a dichotomy from the godliness of the church. It seems like
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the manly men are off doing one thing and the godly men are inside the church doing their thing.
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That's a dichotomy of a lot of people. And actually, again, in uncancelled, you sort of address that.
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So I'm going to read this quote here and then get you to give me a little bit more context on it.
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But this is from later on in the book, you say, you may have contemplated a question such as,
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what would I do if I were dragged before a federal court where the judge and jury were Christ haters
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and I was required to answer for my faith in Jesus? And then you go on to kind of describe,
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you know, if you're just culturally Christian, you won't stand up for Christ. But then you say this,
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to you, he was just a fair haired man with long hair, like the Jesus depicted in the paintings of
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the Renaissance. Your savior is just a lamp heading nice guy. And I will tell you, that is one of the
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main reasons that's there's a reason why there's a lion over my shoulder right now is because when
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people look at the Lamb of God and Lion of Judah, they ignore one completely and barely describe the
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other. And so they talk about the Lamb of God, but no one really likes to talk about the Lion of
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Judah. They don't like to talk about the Jesus that comes back in Revelation with a tattoo in his leg
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and his robe dipped in blood and a sword in his mouth. And they don't want to talk about the fact
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that he cleared out the temple, not once, but there's evidence that he cleared it out twice,
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a very violent premeditated act. But for your, from your perspective, you're considered by many,
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many to be a very manly guy, very typically manly, you like to hunt, you know, you're in to meet,
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you're into all those different things that a lot of guys are into four wheel drive trucks and mud
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in the whole nine yards of football. But why is there such a seeming dichotomy between manly men
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and godly men? The power of the evil one, the power of the evil one works in and through human
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beings. Check this out. Here's a good thing to remember. Because of your stubbornness and your
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unrepentant part, you're storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath,
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when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will give to each person according to what he
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has done. For those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he'll give
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eternal life. For those who are self seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil,
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there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who
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does evil first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does
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good. First for the Jew, then for the Gentile, God, there's no not show favoritism. Manhood is
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flying away. And if you're talking to a human being, and I've done it right here in this living
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room multiple times, and they're confused about they don't even know whether they're a male or
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female. And I talked to one guy, we converted him, and he said, you know, I was a woman for three
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years, and I said, I doubt it. But tell me your story. So he said, I said, why did you ever really
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say I'm blowing smoke here, I'm lying my head off and claiming I'm a female.
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He showed me a picture of himself when he was a female for three years claiming to be, I said,
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why did you do that? You start looking like a woman. He said, because I had this voice in my head,
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it said, you're really a woman. You're really a woman. You're really a woman. He said, Satan
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was whispering that in my ear. And he said, but I knew better. I said, so how did you get out of it?
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He said, I said, by the way, if it's worth anything to you, you look better as a woman than you do a
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man, dude. I said, but you're a man and get nothing another get up. And I said, you know, they gave
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the medicine where he'd had the boobs, the whole thing. But he said, feel I was just listening to
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Satan whispering my ear for that entire time. He said, I knew I was a man, born a man. He said,
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I was just telling a lie and I knew it. So when he finally got out monday, we support him and I was
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so he's doing well. And I love him for doing that for making the change. He had about 25, 26,
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he come out of all that stuff. Now he helps the kingdom by doing the work of the kingdom. So
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he's a good dude. That's an incredible story. And Phil, to be honest with you, I didn't plan to
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ask you about it, but you just kind of made me think about it. Every time you talk seemingly,
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whether it's any episode of unashamed or when you talk in person, you always have some sort of an
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anecdote like the one you just gave me about somebody that you and your family helped,
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you know, preach the gospel to and get them saved. You have countless stories of people
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driving up to your it's gated now, but driving up to your property and, you know,
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basically coming into the house. They just coming. They keep coming. And you take them down to the
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Washita River and you baptize them right then and there or you baptize them wherever there's a body
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of water or a bathtub. And Phil, I just got to say, it's a challenge to a guy like me that's so bold
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and so, you know, big in the things that I say and talk about that I have to make sure that the
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gospel's still at the center of those things, because you're having a true impact for the kingdom.
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Just by living your life, you're not an evangelist by trade. You're not paid
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to be a professional Christian because you work at a church or something like that.
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You're just a dude, but talk to me a little bit about that. Is it not kind of crazy to you that,
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you know, however many times a year, dozens of times, if not hundreds of times, you're putting
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your hands on somebody and dumping them under the water and, you know, as a symbol of them,
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you know, having their sins washed away. What an incredible life that you're leading in that way.
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Yeah, well, Jesus said it and it's simple but profound. When in Matthew, he said,
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all authority, this is after his resurrection. He said, all authority in heaven and on earth
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has been given to me. I just died and stayed dead for three days and I'm back. I'm paraphrasing it.
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I'm back alive. They couldn't kill me and get away with it. I'm still here. Therefore,
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I mean, if you want to talk about authority, I said, man, he'd just beat death for me.
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Therefore, we're going to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father
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Son and Holy Spirit. And I will be with you to the end of the age. It's simple. It's direct.
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This is what you do. Therefore, for all the ones to go to the church buildings every week,
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if all you ever get is a couple of hours one day a week and someone else is doing the talking
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and you're just seated on a pew. If that's all you get, you need to get up, get up and on Monday
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and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday and Saturday before I come back up here to this
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structure and go in and sit on the pew, I need to be actively involved in making disciples
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in some form. Because if you don't, this thing can overwhelm us because we're not offering our
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bodies as sacrifices, which is your spiritual act of worship. Offer your bodies that Romans 12
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check us out, which that was a great question you had. Therefore, I urge your brothers in
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due of God's mercy to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God.
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This is all the time 24/7, which is your spiritual worship. Do not conform any longer
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to the pattern of this world. Don't run with them. Be separate. Be transformed by the renewing of
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your mind. Our work for the for the kingdom starts in here and we act upon it and check this out.
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You say, so there's a love problem. Watch what the Apostle Paul says in this chapter, Romans 12.
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Offer your bodies to live in sacrifice. Love must be sincere. Hate what is able, cling to what's good.
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Be devoted to one another and brotherly love. This is all the time. Honor one another about
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yourselves, above yourselves, all the time. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual
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fervor what you were explaining to the audience. You say, you seem to be at this
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Monday, Tuesday morning to you. I'll just go up there and say a few words, free of charge.
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I'll just go up there and give them a lesson. I will say that we converted some law enforcement
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people who were working as my bodyguards and they heard the gospel, so I've baptized them.
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And one of them came up to me when we first started over there, where we are,
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little place next to the college over there. And he said, Robinson, I don't want to hurt your
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feelings. He said, but we've arrested about two thirds of the congregation at one time or another.
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I said, hey, that was a good word, man. We're trying to do some trying to help y'all out a little bit.
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See if your spiritual fervor be joyful and hope, patient and affliction. Just look at what this
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is covered. This is all the time. Faithful in prayer, share with God's people who are in need.
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What is practice hospitality? If you start adding up and think you're if you begin to add it up on
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how much it's costing it to practice hospitality, you won't do it. It's expensive, but you're doing
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it for others. Bless those who persecute you all the time. Bless and do not curse. Rejoice
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for those who rejoice. More and for those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Just think about
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the cancel culture. Even seeing a group of individuals that all they want to do is live in harmony with
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you. Tell them, come on. Don't be proud. Be willing to associate with people of low position. You're
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like, boy, we need to put that in practice all the time. Don't be conceited. Don't repay
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anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it's possible,
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as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Don't take revenge, dear friends.
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Leave room for God's wrath. Just love them. Cut them some slack. Let it go. That's why the cancel
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culture needs to understand. I love them. I don't hate them. It would be great if they could hear
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those words and actually apply them. Last question of the day, because I know you have some duck
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hunting you got to get taken care of here in just a second. But last question, if you look back on
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your life, even now, because you talk about a lot, you're in your mid 70s. You know that for you,
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you don't have as much time as maybe your sons or grandkids do or those types of things. You've
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said it a bunch. There's a lot of things that you could be known for. You could be known for starting
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duck commander. You could be known for being a professional hunter. You could be known
1:00:05
for being a college quarterback. You could be known for being a New York Times best-selling
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author. You can be known for a lot of things. And I think I have a pretty good idea of what
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you're going to say. But when your time here on this planet is done, Phil, what do you want Phil
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Robertson to be known for? Jesus number one. Jesus number one. That's all I would hope
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that they would say. Well, the old guy finally gone, you know, the old duck hunter, you know,
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what, what's that written on his tombstone? It just says Jesus number one.
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Absolutely. Hey, that is a great message for all of us, regardless of the work we're doing,
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regardless of the life we're trying to build for ourselves or for our families. If you don't have
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Jesus, you are absolutely completely lost. But Phil, I really appreciate your time today. But
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that is all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? Nope. That's a pretty
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well covered. All right, Phil Robertson. Thank you for coming on Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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You bet you. I love you, man. I appreciate you. Love you too. There you go, guys, man.
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That was a fun one. I had a lot of fun with that one. I'm glad that guy came on the show and that
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we were able to kind of chat about the things we chatted about lots and lots of fun. But guys,
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before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost at Undaunted Life. Our mission
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is equipping men to push back darkness with content that for just spiritual, mental and physical
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resilience. So I've got a lot of Phil related links for you here in the show notes. So we've got
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Phil's website. We've got a link directly to Thomas Nelson, which is the publisher that's
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putting out uncancelled. So you can go there and check out the ways that you can buy the new book.
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Also, I've got links to Phil's YouTube channel, his book webpage there on Amazon, his sub stack,
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because they're getting into sub stack now. And also that GQ article, which is basically the
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center point of the brand new book. And that's the article called what the duck. So there you go.
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Those are all the links for you. All right, guys. Thanks so much for listening to the show. We do
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