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1:18
This is undaunted life. A man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
1:23
Hi, guys. Today, I've got a special guest on the show, and that is Matthew Lohmeyer. So,
1:26
he is a newly retired Lieutenant Colonel who served in the United States space and air forces,
1:31
and he was transferred to the space force in October of 2020. After previously serving 14 years in
1:36
the Air Force, he graduated from the Air Force Academy back in the day. He was a fighter pilot.
1:40
He was a trainer. He was all those things. But here's why most people know that name now, okay?
1:45
He was removed from his command in the United States space force where he was leading the 11th
1:49
space warning squadron on May 15th of 2021 actually May 14th. But the world knew about it on May the
1:55
15th after he appeared on a podcast to publicize the release of a book that he called irresistible
2:01
revolution Marxism's goal of conquest and the unmasking of the American military. Okay. So,
2:07
this book contained very pointed critiques of the race and diversity centered programs that
2:12
were being instituted inside the United States military on military bases and in the academies.
2:17
Okay. And he categorizes these things as neo-Marxist, which they are.
2:21
But the thing about it is it was such a crazy thing that this guy is blowing the whistle
2:26
on some of the craziest things that you would not even believe United States military members
2:31
are being exposed to. And he was basically given the cold shoulder. I mean, this guy worked his
2:36
chain of command. He tried to figure out a way to get this out there. And then he finally came
2:39
to the conclusion, I just need to write a book about this because it's nefarious. But he wrote
2:43
a very careful book where he didn't, you know, attack the current administration or his chain
2:48
of command or any of those things that could have really gotten him in trouble. But it still ended
2:51
up with him being bounced out of the military losing his command and, you know, deciding to
2:55
retire. So we get into all that here in this particular interview. And just to let you guys know,
2:59
I didn't get to ask half the questions I wanted to in this interview because he gives very,
3:04
very detailed answers, which I can appreciate because his book, irresistible revolution is incredibly
3:10
detailed. And so a lot of times when you're dealing with an author, it's like, you know,
3:13
you want to get into the book, but you want to kind of leave a little bit on the table. So guys
3:15
will go and get it. But even with his answers that were very detailed, you've got to go get this
3:21
book to kind of read through and kind of see some of the things that he's seeing in terms of what
3:25
we need to be looking at in terms of what's happening in the United States military, how we
3:28
even got to this point. And guys, when I talk about being able to push back darkness,
3:33
its concepts, just like what he's talking about, just like what Matthew is talking about in this
3:36
interview is there are hills that are worth dying on, right? And this is one of them because the
3:42
United States of America and who we are, the fabric of who we are as a people is at risk.
3:47
And if you're listening to this in another country, which we really appreciate all of our
3:50
listeners that are outside the United States, this affects you directly as well. You've seen
3:54
this with COVID. You've seen this with other things happening in your government. It's incredibly
3:58
incredibly important. So I'm not going to keep him from you any longer. So without further ado,
4:02
let's get into it. Matthew Lohmeyer, welcome to Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
4:06
Kyle, thanks for having me. I'm so happy to have you on the show because, you know,
4:09
we talked a few months ago, whenever I became aware of you and your story and all that,
4:13
and we're going to get into a lot of detail into, you know, the space force and the story and kind of
4:17
the whole nine yards, there's a lot to talk about today. But I want to start off generically,
4:21
because anytime I talk to a US military member or even retired on the show, I'm always curious
4:25
as to why you joined the military, because that's for me personally, it's one of my biggest regrets
4:29
that I never actually served this country in that way. It's just not the way the cookie crumbled.
4:33
But for you specifically, why did you join the military? Why did you go the Air Force route and
4:38
then specifically going through the Air Force Academy? I went the Air Force route because they're
4:43
the ones that recruited me to play basketball at the Air Force Academy, in fact, have the best
4:49
games of my life in high school. When the Air Force Academy recruiters came to watch some of the
4:55
worst games in my life when some of the other universities came to watch, but I was hoping to go
5:00
to and it turned out that Air Force Academy had taken great interest early on. And so for the first
5:07
time in my life, I actually considered joining the military. I don't have a military background
5:14
in my family. One uncle who flew C-141s and some other aircraft for the Air Force and this is a
5:22
retired lieutenant colonel. My grandfather served briefly during the Korean War. And besides that,
5:29
I had no impetus to join the military except for the fact that I was recruited to play basketball.
5:35
And so I went there, I could say on a basketball scholarship, but everyone who gets into the
5:40
service academies gets in the same way they get a nomination from a congressman, they get appointed
5:46
by the academy to join. And so I did just that. And it was while I was there that I actually got
5:52
an incentive flight in a T-38. It's the fighter jet trainer aircraft. And it totally changed
5:59
the trajectory of my desires within the service. And so I ended up going to pilot training after I
6:05
graduated flying jets myself. So that answers why I joined, in fact, and why I joined the Air Force.
6:13
It doesn't answer the question of why I stayed or why I became interested. And that's kind of an
6:18
evolving story over time. But I took basketball less and less seriously over time and the military
6:26
very slowly, incrementally, more and more seriously with each passing year.
6:31
Yeah, so that's a very important story because I think most people don't really understand how
6:36
people get into the academies. And so I actually had a friend that got appointed to the Naval Academy
6:40
some at least somewhat familiar, but most people aren't. So that's awesome. And he spent 14 years
6:44
in the Air Force. And that was before you transferred over to the Space Force. Now, the thing is,
6:48
is the Space Force, as you well know, has been the butt of a bunch of jokes. And it was during the
6:52
Trump administration. So people hate Trump. So they think the Space Force is this gigantic joke.
6:57
But it is an actual part of our United States military force. And so I guess give us a little bit
7:02
of an idea as to kind of what the Space Force is, because you were one of those early people to join
7:07
in, you know, kind of explain it to the stupid American public that doesn't really understand.
7:11
I'll say ignorant. So I can't be too mean. And then how did you specifically get involved in
7:16
terms of switching over from Air Force to Space Force? Yeah, a lot of good questions in there.
7:21
I'll say upfront that the Space Force, although Trump would have perhaps in the moment that he
7:26
said it liked the American people to believe otherwise was not his idea. The idea of a separate
7:35
military service that would steward all things space has been around for a few decades,
7:41
a couple of decades at least. There have been early advocates even before that.
7:44
It's not a Republican idea or a Democrat idea. It's in fact had bipartisan support for many years
7:51
before President Trump had taken office. Now to his credit, he grabbed a hold of the idea,
7:57
and as Vice President Mike Pence was a staunch supporter of all things space and took great
8:03
interest in space. And so that presidency was the perfect administration to make Space Force
8:09
a reality. The Air Force traditionally has been responsible for our military space operations.
8:16
Everything we've done from the GPS signal on your phone, the blue dot everyone follows,
8:20
that's a free service that's provided by young 19 and 20 and 21 year old airman
8:28
at Shriever Air Force Base. And so a lot of mission sets like that, my particular specialty
8:34
within space was space based missile warning. Those mission sets were under the purview of
8:43
the major command called Air Force Base Command, but they fell under the Department of the Air Force.
8:47
And when we stood up and who branch to the military in December of 2019 during the Trump
8:52
administration, most of if not nearly all of those operational mission sets just kind of
9:00
naturally transitioned into the new service. It was rather transparent to those military service
9:06
members in uniform who were actually doing the job day in the day out night in and night out.
9:11
And frankly, invisible to some of the American people who largely don't pay attention to this
9:16
kind of thing. Funny story. I've moved to Idaho. I love Idaho. I found a gym that I like to attend
9:25
and I go into this gym. It's kind of grungy. There's chalk nearly every 10 or 15 feet, the kind of
9:31
gym I like to go to. And they've got a wall that has the flags of each of our branches of the
9:37
military hanging on the wall. And I noticed there was no space force flag. So I went up to the front
9:42
and I said, hey, you guys ought to consider getting a space force flag in your gym. And the girl that
9:47
was behind the counter looked at me like that joke because it's not even a funny one. And I said,
9:52
no, it's a real thing. It's been around for nearly two years now. And she thought I was joking. So
9:56
she had to Google it and find out that even, in fact, there is a branch of the military called the
10:00
space force. The only thing people have heard about it is Steven Carell's new space force show
10:06
that I hear is a flop. I've not even watched it. But yeah, I spent, like you said, over 14 years
10:14
in the Air Force, I flew jets. It was a T38 instructor pilot. Then I flew a 15 Cs single seat
10:20
air-to-air fighters. Before I made a transition into the Air Force space community. And when I
10:27
came over into that community, I did space-based missile warning, which we do in Colorado. And after
10:34
that, I had a unique opportunity that'll be of interest to your viewer, I'm sure, to be the ABA
10:39
camp. It's essentially a personal assistant that travels with four star generals. And I was the
10:45
ABA camp for the guy in charge of all of space for the Air Force, General Jay Raymond. And we
10:51
traveled the world together to our various space operating locations. And I got to sit in on many
10:57
conversations in 2018, I guess it was, about the creation of this new branch of the military.
11:06
And here, the naysayers and the proponents of such an idea. And like we mentioned earlier,
11:14
even though the Trump administration suggested it, I think they took some people by surprise,
11:18
it ended up getting congressional bipartisan support. That's why it became a new branch of
11:22
the military. The president has no authority to create a new branch of the military. It has
11:26
to be written into law. It was written into Title 10. And it became law that that's a new
11:31
branch of the military. That's something Congress has to accomplish, which they did.
11:34
Since then, the new branch of the military stood up. And because of my job, I was naturally transferred
11:40
in to the new service, went for a short season to get a master's degree at the Defense Department's
11:47
premier strategy school, and then came back to be in command of a space-based missile warning unit
11:53
in Colorado, which is kind of where perhaps the meat of our conversation will take off from.
11:59
But it was me in Colorado for the past year in command of a missile warning unit.
12:03
Yeah, absolutely. It's funny that how you put it, because obviously this was an idea. This was
12:08
a something that people were talking about before Trump. But as with everything, Trump has his
12:11
own gravitational force. And so if he mentions it, he loves when people focus on him and everyone
12:16
loves to hate him. But yeah, you're right in that. That gives us kind of a good jumping off point,
12:21
because the reason why you're even on anyone's radar and opponent in it is that you were relieved
12:25
of command. So you were in charge of the 11th Space Warning Squadron. But on May the 15th of 2021,
12:31
you were relieved of your command. And that is when, you know, people were like, wait a minute,
12:35
space force is actually a thing. But wait a minute, why did this guy just get kicked out? And then
12:38
it became this whole story. And there's a lot of details to go into and we'll certainly go into
12:42
the book that I'm sure aided in this decision. But from your best recollection and a sparknotes
12:47
version, what happened? Why were you relieved of command? Sparknotes version. That's tough.
12:52
I haven't found any sparknotes version yet. So that's why I like podcasts and long form interviews.
12:57
Let me tell you, Chris notes, I wrote a book called irresistible revolution that talks about
13:06
the Marxist revolutionary impulse that has even unfortunately begun to infect our military
13:15
institutions. I did a podcast to talk about that book. It was actually about a week later and it
13:23
was Friday afternoon, May 14th, that I found out that I was relieved of command. And the following
13:29
morning, the date you mentioned the 15th is when it hit the national press. Not because I shared
13:34
it with the press, but because the, I assume it was space force public affairs decided it was
13:40
important to leak that story to the national press to preempt anything I might share with the press
13:50
about what had happened. And in that press release with, I think it was military.com news,
13:56
the space force indicated that because they had lost their trust and confidence in my ability
14:04
to lead others, they had to relieve me of my command. From that time forward, I was still an
14:10
active duty lieutenant colonel. I just was relocated to another office on the base in which I did very
14:16
little and awaited adjudication for three months of some outcome regarding my potential career
14:25
moving forward. I mean, they didn't communicate anything with me after that point. I was left
14:30
to counsel with my attorney who was a civilian attorney and an air force appointed judge advocate
14:35
general and attorney from the air force about what my steps should be moving forward. So I did a lot
14:40
of podcasts and a lot of TV interviews trying to be as respectful as I could, but simply drawing
14:45
attention to these ideas that I think are undermining the good order and discipline and unit cohesion
14:50
of our forces in the military, which we'll get into. Yeah, we will certainly get into that a little
14:55
bit more. But I even remember, Matthew, when you and I first spoke, this was well before you decided
15:00
to get out and actually retire. And because we were going to actually do this before your retirement
15:04
date and we're like, ah, we'll save. We've got to save it because we want to make sure you can
15:08
say all the juicy stuff. But were you under kind of take us through that whole process of you
15:12
actually deciding to retire? Because you could have stuck it out as it were. You could have just
15:17
tried to figure it out. Maybe you would have been adjudicated and things would have got figured out
15:20
even though we both pretty much know that wasn't really a possibility. But you know, why even have
15:25
those discussions? Why even work your way through that system? And I guess why did you just decide?
15:29
Like, no, I just need to retire and get out. Okay, so I hope we'll get into some of the background.
15:34
We will a little bit later. But there's a lot that happened leading up to my decision to separate
15:42
from the military. And I'll correct one thing you said just for clarity. And my dad says the same
15:49
thing too. He calls me retired Lieutenant Colonel, which I appreciate. But I'm a separated former
15:54
Lieutenant Colonel. I requested from the then acting secretary of the Air Force, John Roth,
16:01
an early retirement package. I'd served over 15 years honorably, had a good record,
16:07
and requested that they would approve, which it seemed to me and my attorney that they had
16:13
in their power to do to approve that early retirement. Well, that was denied. And they agreed to
16:22
separate me and relieve me of my active duty service commitment, which I still had remaining,
16:28
which was another couple of years. And I agreed to voluntarily separate. And the proximate or
16:38
immediate reason I found that that was in my own best interest, and perhaps even in the best
16:44
interests of the military at the moment was because I was really not being used for very much at all.
16:50
I spent three months, like I mentioned, waiting to hear something either from the Air Force Inspector
16:56
General's office about a supposed investigation that was underway or word in phone call or an email
17:05
from my chain of command explaining what they understood about my future. Instead, I had a whole
17:11
bunch of conversations with congressmen in D.C., both senators and congressmen were very helpful.
17:18
They wrote letters on my behalf, advocating that I'd be reinstated in command. And you know, frankly,
17:24
I think the Air Force leadership for the Defense Department was they put themselves in a very
17:29
tough spot. You fire someone hastily alleging that they're a politically partisan hack,
17:36
which I'm not. Now, I am conservative, but I didn't care what people's politics were in the
17:42
military, unlike some of the leaders who against whom I was filing complaints who were political
17:47
activists. They alleged that I'm a politically partisan threat somehow and that I've done something
17:54
wrong. And they start to look into the matter and find out that I've not done anything wrong.
17:58
They read my book, I assume, as a part of their three month investigation and decide,
18:03
well, shoot, there's nothing we can get this guy on. I mean, he didn't share names. He didn't
18:07
criticize his chain of command. He didn't criticize his current administration. How do you punish that?
18:12
Well, you don't. And so they sat there hoping that something in the world perhaps would happen
18:17
that would distract attention from all of this so that they could make a decision about how to
18:21
reintegrate me into the workforce. Meanwhile, my wife and I, the family, lived on a military base
18:29
with the exception of a couple of people during that three month period. I mean, my wife
18:35
essentially lost contact with the military community. People are afraid to talk with
18:41
the family who has been in the national press. They're afraid to get the stain of politics on them.
18:48
They're afraid to get in trouble by being seen with either me or my wife.
18:52
My own Airmen were afraid to talk to me from my former unit that I had led because they were
18:59
counseled not to, frankly. And so I was very uncomfortable positioned for my family. Now,
19:04
we're happy about the decision that we made to separate. It means I lost a pension.
19:09
But I plan to work hard and make a living and do podcasts and go public speaking. And I have
19:16
a lot of public speaking engagements lined up here for the next four months or so. And so
19:20
we're doing okay. And I don't regret my decision at all.
19:23
Well, that's good. I'm glad because most of the people they'll just stick it out. Whether it's a
19:28
military thing or in some sort of law enforcement, they'll stick it out just to kind of get that
19:32
magical pension. But I know it's kind of a leap of faith to take off and do your own thing. And so
19:37
I can mend you for that because you did what you thought was right. And I certainly hope that you
19:41
do make up and far exceed what you would have got with your pension. But you've mentioned it several
19:45
times and I have as well. But let's go ahead and dig into irresistible revolution. So that is the
19:49
name of the book that you released that you saw published earlier this year. So it's an irresistible
19:53
revolution. Marxism's goal of conquest and the unmaking of the American military. And so even
19:59
just that title is going to be very, very important and very, very, you know, I guess it's read me
20:03
for the people that listen to this podcast. But for you specifically, why did you decide to name it
20:08
irresistible revolution? And I guess why write a book tackling the subjects that you do, you know,
20:14
Marxism and its influence in the US military while still in the US military.
20:19
So the first question I'll answer is the title irresistible revolution. Second,
20:24
I'll address is why do that while I'm active duty? That one's going to take a short answer
20:30
and a long answer. That second question. Your irresistible revolution is a phrase that I borrowed
20:37
from one of the founders co-founders of Black Lives Matter, Genia Future Khan. Genia Khan said
20:47
that the role of the artist is to make the revolution the Marxist revolution irresistible.
20:53
The role of the artist is to make the revolution irresistible. Well, one good way to do that is to
20:59
come up with an irresistible slogan like Black Lives Matter because what good American or decent
21:03
human disagrees with that. They don't. And no one disagrees with that despite all the
21:08
finger pointing and accusations flying around in the country at the moment. Admit your racist,
21:14
otherwise you've proven your one. I mean, this kind of nonsense is all over our university
21:20
campuses and unfortunately it's showing up in our military at the moment in our diversity,
21:24
equity and inclusion trainings, which we'll get more into. So that's where the title of the book
21:28
comes from. Now the subtitle, Marxism's goal of conquest and the unmaking of the American
21:34
military is necessarily purposefully provocative. It needed to catch people's attention because,
21:41
as I indicate in my book, this will prove our undoing if we don't get this stuff in check.
21:47
You don't divide your military forces into black and white, into racial identity politics,
21:55
groups and hope that they'll maintain their trust and that you won't undermine
21:59
unit cohesion. You just can't do that. And yet that's what our senior military leaders have been
22:04
doing this past calendar year. It's disgusting. And so that had to be addressed. Now here's why
22:10
I did it. I had studied Marxism a great deal in the in the couple of years leading up to
22:17
my writing of the book. My sense was that there were probably a handful of people
22:25
scattered here and there that perhaps understood both Marxist ideology and Marxist history and
22:30
the history of Marxist revolutions within the military who could then connect it to everything
22:35
that was going on. And who were in the military and saw what was happening at the ground level
22:42
in our diversity, equity and inclusion trainings. I was a commander. I don't expect my young airman
22:47
to step forward and do this. First off, they probably hadn't studied it. You mentioned
22:51
Marxism to them. It might not mean anything. The older generation, I think it means a great
22:56
deal to. They lived through the Cold War, at least the end of the Cold War. So you mentioned
23:02
words like Marxism communism. You start to lose people pretty quickly. Black lives matter. Well,
23:08
that'll get people's attention because it's because of its proximity. We saw a lot of destruction
23:13
in this country in 2020 by Antifa and Black Lives Matter and very little accountability. So the
23:22
reason I wrote it is because I think there's plenty of people outside of the military who have
23:26
the know-how to put this together, but they didn't have the insight on what was going on on the inside.
23:31
And so I thought, boy, there's this perfect confluence of circumstances. Specifically,
23:36
I'm in the military and see what's happening. I've got airman and guardians, what we call ourselves
23:42
in the Space Force, coming to me and complaining about the fact that they're losing trust in one
23:50
another. They're losing trust in the leadership. They're skeptical of one another based on race
23:58
because they're being trained to believe certain people are racist, certain people are oppressors,
24:02
others are oppressed. And so sitting where I said, I thought, well, frankly, there's really no other
24:08
option. Now, if you'll let me and we don't need to move on, I want to expound on that just a minute.
24:16
Go for it, absolutely. Now, a smart person will probably listen to what I just said and think,
24:23
well, dude, use your chain of command and talk to someone about it. File a formal complaint. Well,
24:28
happy to inform you, I did. So beginning in probably June or June is when I showed up
24:37
at my base, July is when I took command in 2020. And in the months of June and July, I received
24:44
probably 19 emails, I think was the number from base leadership, talking about white supremacy,
24:50
white extremism, and systemic racism. Absolutely a distraction from what we should be focused on.
24:57
We started to have down days in which we'd set aside our real world operational training missions,
25:03
and we focus on discussing oppression, racial oppression, and how you have unconscious biases,
25:11
and they were tended to be focused on the white male. You have unconscious implicit biases.
25:17
You might not recognize it, hence the word implicit or unconscious. But you need to
25:23
disabuse yourselves of those and admit your guilt. And if you don't, then you're a big part of the
25:27
problem. And so if you need to center your feelings as a white human, go find another white
25:33
person to talk to. Don't make people of color bury your burden. That's not my words. That's the
25:39
words in one of our training sessions that I participated in. That's absolutely unacceptable
25:45
in our military. And to speak up about it and say, Hey, hey, I disagree with this,
25:50
is to be labeled politically partisan, which should alarm your listeners, your viewers.
25:58
The bottom line is I started to complain about this in conversations with my chain of command.
26:04
I started with my immediate supervisor who's in '06. I then reached out to the general officer
26:10
in charge of the entire space force. We had a conversation about it. And each of them thanked me
26:15
for bringing up these issues. Thank you so much. This is really important. We can't have this.
26:21
We'll see if we can have some change. Well, guess what? President Trump issued an executive order
26:26
on the 22nd of September. And he banned critical race theory and critical race theory jargon
26:32
vocabulary that essentially demonizes the country. As white supremacist, as systemically racist,
26:38
he banned language in our federal agencies that would teach white people that they need to admit
26:44
for their guilt, you know, all this kind of, and it's really helpful. And a bunch of people in the
26:47
military breathe the sigh of relief. At my base, the base leadership illegally pursued diversity
26:54
training programs by pushing it down to a lower level, at the squadron level, asking various
27:02
officers who are interested in being activists, to host reading groups, to continue to read
27:08
authors like Ijoma, Oluo, and others, or Robin DiAngelo, who write all about the terrible white
27:16
person problem we've got in this country. It was very left in its politics too. It tells you
27:20
which left-leaning organizations you're able to donate your monies to, for example, if you're not
27:25
sure where to donate your money to. It tells you which left-leaning politicians you should be
27:28
voting for based on what policies they support. It's politically partisan as the point.
27:33
The politically partisan BS doesn't belong in our military. It's not what we do. We can let
27:40
civilians argue about that kind of stuff. So I file a formal inspector general's office complaint,
27:47
which is fielded by a three-star named Stephen Whiting. And he sat on that complaint through
27:53
November, December, and January until January 6th, Capitol riot happened. And then I received a note
27:59
in the mail the following day on the 7th, essentially dismissing my complaint. Didn't thank me one bit,
28:06
didn't reach out to me and ask what kind of impact this was having on the morale of my unit,
28:11
which is his primary obligation, by the way, just as it is mine. And the same day I received
28:18
that letter dismissing my complaint after sitting on it for three months and not interviewing
28:23
any one of the 24 witnesses I had listed, the base commander was promoted to his first star,
28:28
and he was the primary activist in all of this. Now, the climate of fear that we've created politically
28:38
disincentivizes people from speaking up boldly, and apparently has even disincentivized our
28:44
senior military leaders from holding people responsible or accountable when they get politically
28:50
active if they're leftist, or if they're black, or if they're gay. So we've got a really big problem
28:57
when we apply double standard to our force because it's a great way to undo the trust that our
29:00
military service members have in their leadership. So I wrote a book. I tried my chain of command,
29:07
I tried to file a formal inspector general's complaint to no effect. And if a lieutenant colonel
29:12
who's in command can't get the end of the year of his senior leaders and affect any change,
29:18
no one can, because they're always talking about how important the squadron level is,
29:23
and how our squadron commanders are the ones that actually lead our entire service. If I can't do
29:27
anything about it, guarantee you, Airman Snuffy, who's 20 years old can't do anything about it.
29:31
So that's why I wrote the book. Well, I think that's an important distinction that you're making,
29:35
not only because you're being called a partisan hack whenever it's the partisan hacks, it's the,
29:39
what is it the expression, like the kettle calling pot black or something like that,
29:43
it's like, it's one of those ridiculous situations and scenarios. But then also,
29:47
it's good that you did use your chain of command because you don't seem like this rogue guy,
29:51
that's just like, okay, I'm gonna go to Newsmax or Fox News and try to grow up the military and
29:54
do all this craziness. But there was a quote from the intro of the book that I think is very
29:59
important guys, just as an aside, you're gonna have to go get your resistible revolution yourself,
30:03
you're gonna have to read it because we're gonna be barely scratching the surface on a lot of these
30:06
subject matters. But we do want to kind of give you a good overall glance to just at least get you
30:10
interested in that. But this is a quote from the intro here. This book is my best effort to
30:14
participate in that concerted effort to better educate ourselves and our people about the scope
30:19
of the problem of dangerous ideologies that threaten to undermine our nation, our constitution,
30:24
and our way of life, and to stand up for our young service members whom I lead and serve.
30:29
And so I think that that was a great way to kind of thrust us into the overall book, which we're
30:34
gonna be going through the three different parts of the book. So part one is the greatness of the
30:37
American ideal. Part two is Marxism's goal of conquest. And then the last part is the unmaking
30:43
of America's military. And so specifically, and again, there's there's way too much to go into here.
30:47
But there's another quote that I want to read. That's actually from part one, the greatness of
30:51
the American ideal. And it's this, there's a struggle over the meaning of America presently
30:56
underway that is at the heart of a social and political polarization that threatens to permanently
31:00
fracture American civil society. That struggle is fueled by radical revisions of American history
31:06
that are more ideological than historical. And by the proliferation of false narratives intent on
31:11
breeding contempt for America's heritage and national identity. Now there's a lot in there.
31:16
And in that section, you go into the 1619 project, you go into kind of this crazy dystopian 1984
31:22
style, you know, flushing of history and kind of rewriting of stories and all that. But can you
31:27
give us a good overall view as to why the greatness of the American ideal is being attacked right now?
31:34
Interestingly, I wrote that section of the book last. That's the very beginning of the book. And
31:40
it was to me very important that I get that section right. I knew the problem that I needed to write
31:48
about, which was critical race theory, our diversity, equity and inclusion industry, which was
31:53
essentially dividing our military, dividing us up into race, identity, political groups.
31:58
So I write that stuff. And I'm thinking, what is this all countering? What is this trying to undo?
32:07
Why is it so important that we divide people into groups? It tries to deliberately unmake
32:16
everything about America's founding. And so I decided, and what I mean by that is that we've
32:22
got these founding principles that we believe in, perhaps foremost among them, is the inherent
32:27
worth of every individual. It's a very Christian idea, Judeo-Christian idea. And the founders believed
32:33
in that, and that's what made our country terrifically successful. It's what paved the way for the
32:38
ending of slavery. And there's not been in human history a more successful multiracial nation.
32:47
In fact, most countries haven't been multiracial in human history. The founding principles that we
32:54
believe in are under attack, ironically, while employing the language of justice and fairness
33:02
and equality, now equity, freedom. Again, people who employ that language and change the definitions
33:10
are trying to make the revolution irresistible, because who doesn't agree with those ideals?
33:15
Now, the trouble is people get very confused about these words, and people mean very different
33:21
things by them. So, yeah, getting back to part one of the book, which I wrote last, I thought,
33:28
I need to tee up for the reader, and I had the young service member in mind who perhaps
33:33
half paid attention in high school to their history classes, and then joined the military,
33:39
and they're now 19 years old, 20 years old. I thought in two chapters, I'd like to explain to them
33:43
what it is about the founding of our country, our founding documents, and the founding ideals
33:48
that they need to grab ahold of and cherish, and so that they can begin to understand exactly what
33:54
is being lost with our current ideological push to divide people into racial identity groups.
33:59
That makes sense. So, I begin with the greatness of the American ideal by talking about just
34:05
how it's transformed the world. I talk about how it's come under attack by tracing through the
34:10
New York Times 1619 project, the project's lead essayist, Nicole Hannah Jones, who went to Cuba to
34:17
study their communist education and healthcare systems, then came back and has spent the last
34:21
decade of her life bashing America, and she's the lead essayist on the New York Times project that
34:26
essentially tries to rewrite American history from ideological perspective. Oh, you weren't
34:30
founded in 1776, you're founded in 1619 when slaves came over, and I addressed that stuff in the book.
34:37
And I mean, that too has come under bipartisan ridicule. Didn't matter people's politics,
34:45
scholars on the left and the right have come out and said, that 1619 project isn't history,
34:49
it's false. It's got a lot of ideologically based vignettes that try to recast all of American
34:55
history. And so, I want to address that, and here's the primary reason why I thought it would be a
35:01
hard hitter. I thought first of my own airman at my own base who had been sent two videos
35:08
by the base commander that were very left leaning in their political bent and who are teaching 1619
35:16
project ideology, teaching that our country's foundings were absolutely racist, and that the
35:24
reason we had the American Revolution was to secure white supremacy as the law of the land.
35:28
All the fluff and the declaration of independence, that's just all propaganda,
35:33
according to these videos, and it's a lie. So you've got these young service members who have just
35:38
sworn an oath to defend the Constitution and potentially lay their neck on the chopping block
35:42
forward at some point. They commit their flesh to the country and they're being taught to hate
35:48
the founding, the founding principles, and the very country that they serve. They're taught that
35:52
within their ranks, roam a bunch of secretive white supremacists. They're taught that that's
35:59
our greatest threat to national security at the moment by the current administration,
36:03
white supremacy, and white extremism. And they're taught that our founders weren't decent men,
36:07
they're racists. I mean, now in every one of these accusations lies some kernels of historical
36:17
fact that you're able to weave together into a critical accusation of America's history,
36:22
and so it has some staying power. But these young people are learning American history for the first
36:28
time through a very leftist lens, and in fact it's a Marxist lens, and it's been written in a way to
36:33
undermine our trust and faith in our country so that you can begin to hate it. If you begin to hate
36:37
it, why would you serve your military? Why would you serve in the police force? Why would you,
36:40
why would you serve this country at all? In fact, you might end up joining the revolutionary cause
36:45
that seeks to burn it all down. So as that is injected into our military, I thought it's really
36:52
important for me to begin writing the book by explaining where some of these narratives that
36:57
they're hearing in the military are coming from, they're coming from left-wing ideologues.
37:01
And so that's that's kind of where we start off at the beginning of the book.
37:04
I think it's a very helpful place to start off because in the one story that absolutely sticks
37:09
out in my mind is you talked about a black cadet from West Point that was having some
37:14
consternation about the fact that they're going to be serving this country that West Point has
37:19
taught them is horribly racist. And they're like, wait a minute, like I'm going to be a black army
37:24
officer that is in a white supremacist system. I'm going to be perpetuating this and he was
37:29
kind of having an attack of conscience. And that's what's being created within the military,
37:32
but also this is an nefarious thing, because the 1619 project is being accepted into school
37:37
districts at thousands of school districts now are teaching that to children. And again,
37:42
they're dumb. They're underdeveloped monkeys, essentially, right? So they're seven, eight,
37:45
nine, 10, 15 years old, whatever the situation is. And they're just they're taking this as like,
37:50
okay, I've never heard anything else. So this must be it. And that's their paradigm. And you know,
37:54
just like anybody else, undoing a paradigm is way more difficult than just solidifying one.
38:00
And so I'm glad that you went into all that detail in the first part of the book in terms of the
38:03
greatness of the American ideal. But then in the second part, that's where the rubber really starts
38:07
to meet the road, because you're talking about Marxism's goal of conquest. And I thought it was
38:11
absolutely perfect how you started that section, you start out with a quote from it's one of my
38:16
favorite quotes from Sun Tzu. And it's this, if you know the enemy and know yourself,
38:20
you need not fear the result of 100 battles. If you know yourself, but not the enemy for every
38:25
victory gained, you will also suffer a defeat. If you know, neither the enemy nor yourself,
38:30
you will succumb in every battle. And the reason why I really liked that Matthew is because I talk
38:35
to a lot of people, because you mentioned earlier, you know, you mentioned Marxism or communism and
38:38
people just kind of tune out or they don't understand people that are learned people,
38:42
people that are in the know, you will mention things like postmodernism or Marxism or critical
38:47
race theory. And they know they should probably not like it, but they don't know exactly why.
38:52
And it's this nefarious thing to where it's like, how can you fight back against that,
38:56
specifically in the church, pastors will not talk about this for the most part, right? I mean,
39:00
I find some few and far between that will talk about these things specifically through a Marxist
39:05
lens. But it's like, guys, how are you going to let the flock know who the enemy is? That's,
39:09
we know that we win in the end, which is great. But how do we fight and push back darkness now?
39:14
And so I'm not exactly sure that the best way to do this, so I'll kind of let you,
39:18
you kind of go with it, because I kind of want you to, you know, define postmodernism for us,
39:22
define Marxism, define critical race theory. But then we're going to be here until, you know,
39:27
Saturday, if you really dig into all that, but really just kind of give us an overview of Marxism's
39:32
goal of conquest and how really that's kind of tied in with the postmodernism and how a downstream
39:38
result is critical race theory. I know I thought it was like the worst setup possible, but I know
39:41
you can take it and run with it. Yeah, that's a, that's a lot of lead ins there on ramps. And so
39:48
I'm going to pick a couple and get running. Let me mention a couple things here real quick.
39:52
I'm going to point your listener to a couple different sources that may be helpful and perhaps
40:01
even more helpful than what I can share in a few minutes. Just this morning on my way into work,
40:06
I posted a new video on my Facebook account. I don't know what my Facebook handle even is. Look
40:11
at Matthew Lomaire, you picture me. Something like Matthew Lomaire with a 92 after it, I think.
40:18
Christopher Rufo has done tremendous work in the past year plus explaining carefully,
40:28
methodically, and in a basic way, what it is exactly that critical race theory is. And I just
40:35
posted a video this morning. I think it's 15 to 18 minutes. It is about a succinct. I mean,
40:41
you can spend some time reading my book, which you should do and you can watch an 18 minute video
40:45
and you'll come away with a really good appreciation at a broad sweep what it is that we're looking
40:51
at here with critical race theory and why it is that it's so dangerous to our, I want to say our
40:56
way of life. I know that can be criticized as well, not by your viewer, but by, I'll say to Western
41:01
society, to Judeo-Christian values, it seeks to undermine all of that. And it's Marxist revolution
41:11
repackaged into race identity politics. It's state sanctioned racial divisions and segregation.
41:18
I will get in to answer your question also, just point your viewer to MatthewLomaire.com.
41:26
The website's kind of being rebuilt at the moment, but that was my initial attempt at
41:33
putting some information online, both about the book, as well as some, I've got links to some
41:37
interviews that I've done in the past where I kind of start to talk through these, these very
41:42
ideas. So I want to point your viewer to those things. Since we've got a, perhaps, a somewhat
41:51
biblically inclined audience, let me point out one thing that I don't normally get to on Newsmax
41:56
or Fox News or various shows. And I think it helps anchor our discussion a bit and the kind of
42:03
influence we're dealing with. In the opening pages of the Bible, you've got a story that everyone's
42:12
kind of sort of familiar with, but they need to read again. And it's the story of Cain and the
42:18
slaying of his brother Abel. Okay. I'm not going to spend a lot of time with this, but I want to
42:23
point you to the story. Go look at the context in which the murder occurs. Go take a look at the
42:30
injustice this felt and whispered in his ear by an adversary. He essentially becomes angry. He feels
42:38
like he's been dealt with unjustly because the God of heaven, who he claims to worship but doesn't
42:44
love, is dissatisfied with his sacrifice. And he has this adversary come and whisper in his ear
42:52
that you've been dealt with unjustly. You've been treated unfairly. You can use violence to take
42:57
what rightly belongs to you, which is the flocks of his brother falling into his hands. So he then
43:03
goes and it begins with a conversation with his brother and it ends in the slaying of his brother.
43:10
It was a peaceful protest, they say, and they start to engage in shouting in the streets
43:17
and the shouting always serves its purpose and that's to get the blood boiling so that people
43:21
end up becoming violent. That's what these protests have been about this past year. But look at the
43:27
impulse that you see. See if you can pull that out of the text and you go back and read it. The
43:33
influence that is born of the father of lies is that you are oppressed unjustly by an oppressor.
43:41
I'm using Marxist language now. And if you use violence, you can fix the problem.
43:46
Okay, I'm putting it very simply. Now it doesn't say exactly what I'm saying. But last year as I
43:53
watched people talking about the Black Lives Matter movement, about the protests, about how
43:57
they were justified and even some of our Democrat politicians were trying to justify
44:01
the violence by saying, "But while they're justified, they're justified. They've been wronged."
44:06
That's not a good way to solve your societal problems. It's certainly not a good way to keep
44:12
civil society together. In fact, we learned from the very beginnings of the Bible story,
44:16
it's a great way to disrupt the nuclear family, which is one of Black Lives Matter's stated aims,
44:21
by the way, disruption of the nuclear family. It's a great way to disrupt government.
44:26
And the government got it established in the beginning. That was Satan's first attempt
44:31
to utterly disrupt and destroy what God was doing on the earth.
44:34
So if you look, if you believe like me, that our country's foundings were divinely inspired,
44:39
they were intended to protect the liberty of man. And our belief in this and Western society
44:45
is that the purpose of governments is to secure individuals' liberty and to protect them.
44:50
Everything you see taking place in society at the moment is attempting to undo man's free will,
44:55
disrupt their liberties, destroy the nuclear family, and indoctrinate them into a way of
45:01
thinking that gets them to feel they're justified in using violence against their neighbor.
45:05
So I hope that your viewer will pay attention to that. You go back and look at the entire Bible
45:11
with that lens, and you'll see that the adversary of mankind has been afoot since the beginning,
45:16
trying to plant these ideas. And it's a common thread throughout history. And so that's why,
45:20
now getting to your question in part two of my book, I start with the Bavarian Illuminati
45:29
in the century leading up to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Because I want to show that
45:36
it's not just this guy Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels who wrote the 1848 Communist Manifesto
45:42
that then set the world on fire. It's actually a tradition, a philosophical, ideological
45:51
inheritance that they have that I think is influenced by the same spirit.
45:59
That they are harking back to and attempting to set down in writing in order to generate
46:06
violent revolutions. What I mean by that is I start with the Illuminati who have, as I state
46:10
in my book in part two. And by the way, it's important for your listener, if they've not read
46:15
my book to perhaps I say this in my book as well, suspend their judgment when they hear words like
46:20
Illuminati. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Okay, this is an actual historical organization
46:25
that existed in modern day Germany in earlier Bavaria. And they had, it was a secret society,
46:31
they had aims to disrupt the governments of the earth. Now that name or title the Illuminati
46:36
has been usurped and reused and abused by many people in many movies, many authors. Nevertheless,
46:41
I start there because there's a common thread that emerges from the 1700s in various people's
46:47
writings and in the revolutionary efforts throughout Europe in Marx and Engels Communist
46:53
Manifesto in 1848, but it's repackaged. And as your viewer is aware, Marx and Engels focus on
47:00
essentially class antagonisms, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. There's a working class
47:05
who is oppressed unjustly and there is a ruling class, the capitalist. And as soon as the proletariat
47:12
is able to appreciate just how oppressed they are, they're going to band together into a little
47:16
coalition and they're going to rise up violently and they're going to overthrow the ruling class
47:21
and establish a new order. And therefore the world will be peaceful after that. You won't have class
47:26
conflict, which is totally false. You'll just have a new oppressive ruling class essentially,
47:31
but or one that has got their way to power by violence, which you can only keep by violence and
47:38
tyranny by the way. And Friedrich Engels admits that in the in the 19th century.
47:42
So what they do in the 19th century with the Communist Manifesto has been redone in the last
47:51
century and the 20th century in the West to pit races against each other. Because in the West,
47:59
the middle class was thriving and Marxists were sure that you wouldn't be able to foment violent
48:06
revolution in the West by getting the working class to rise up against their bosses. It just
48:11
wasn't going to happen. And so you needed a different narrative. Well, so they recraft Marxism
48:16
into what becomes known later on, and I'm skipping way ahead, but this critical race theory.
48:21
Critical race theory insists that we've already covered it essentially, but that the
48:29
founding of this country in particular is racist, it's unjust, and it has kept
48:35
the white in a position of power over the black, even to the present day, and that our society is
48:43
deserving of a violent revolution. And I'm putting it very bluntly because that's essentially what
48:48
the aim is. And it will even go so far as to criticize the aims of Martin Luther King,
48:54
Jr., in his vision. I mean, the idea that we should judge people based on their character,
48:59
at the content of their character and not the color of their skin, that is not a worthy aim
49:05
to the critical race theorist or scholar. And surprisingly, even Martin Luther King Jr.'s
49:12
vision for a colorless society is now under attack in our military of all things. I mean,
49:17
we're unified by the uniform that we wear. We bleed the same color some of our congressmen have
49:24
recently said. When you join up, race goes by the door side, by the wayside. And when there's a
49:31
cobble or Afghanistan crisis unfolding, the last thing on earth, we're going to talk about
49:35
as race politics. Give me this last thing on earth that matters, real lives are on the line.
49:39
And so we've been wasting our breath for the past calendar year at least and talking about
49:44
diversity, equity and inclusion when we should have been preparing to face real world threats.
49:48
And now that's abundantly clear. And the current administration has come under bipartisan scrutiny
49:53
because we've been, we've had misaligned priorities.
49:56
When I think that's an important point that you bring up there at the end because these people
50:01
that were hanging on to the planes in Afghanistan, and I mentioned this in a previous podcast,
50:04
they weren't hanging on to the planes because of systemic, you know, racial oppression. They
50:09
weren't hanging on because of their student loan debt. They weren't hanging on because they couldn't
50:12
say what gender that they felt inside. And the thing is, is that's a byproduct. That's a downstream
50:17
result. What we're living in right now, this milieu that we're living in right now is a downstream
50:20
result of things being really, really, really good. Right. You know, there's that, that quote,
50:24
you know, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men,
50:28
weak men make hard times. We got a bunch of weak men that are making hard times because we're
50:32
making up crap to be the angry about. You know, we've heard Representative Dan Crenshaw talk about
50:37
this. It's like we need struggle. And so we're just going to create it out of thin air if it
50:41
doesn't actually exist. And another thing that that kind of summarizes a lot of the points that
50:45
you were making is a short quote from that section of the book from part two. It breeds a fearful
50:50
mentality that insists others are out to get them the wealthy, the police institutions of higher
50:55
learning religious groups or certain races. And I mean, you coalesced basically the entire news cycle
51:02
from the end of 2019 until today in that one sentence, because you have these people that are
51:08
bought into this worldview, this Marxist ideology that they can't even define themselves. But yes,
51:13
it's the wealthy. It's the rich. We've got to eat the rich. It's the police. They're hunting me.
51:17
They're hunting me and my friends down institutions of higher learning. They don't want me to go to
51:21
that school because it's going to, you know, impose on their white supremacy religious groups.
51:25
Oh, you don't want me to be able to kill my baby in Texas, you know, which is going to be an
51:28
infringement on my rights as a person. And obviously the race war, when you look at people, when we're
51:33
teaching children to look at their classmate by the color of their skin, by an immutable characteristic,
51:40
something that they did not get to choose, something that they did not, you know, figure out one day,
51:43
I would like this amount of level of melanin, please. But it really has its tendrils that go
51:49
everywhere. And again, guys, you got to get that book almost for that section. That section is
51:53
almost worth the price of admission. But it's the last section where the rubber really, really meets
51:58
the road, even though I've used that expression already. And that's the unmaking of America's military.
52:02
And this drives me absolutely insane, absolutely insane. Because I think our military should be
52:08
concerned with lethality. And that should be the number one priority and the seven priorities after
52:14
that. And then we can get into some other priorities. Because if we're not lethal, we're basically
52:18
just standing here, right? But I guess just overall, take this wherever you want to go.
52:24
Tell us how these ideologies, you mentioned it a little bit prior to how these Marxist ideologies
52:29
and worldviews, how they are directly impacting the United States military today. Go ahead and go
52:34
more into that. Okay, so as a recap, I'll say that, you know, the first part of my book talks
52:41
about the greatness of the American ideal. Second part, but which by the way, isn't politically
52:46
partisan. Unfortunately, everything has become about politics under the influence of the left.
52:57
And I'll say the postmodernist, which we didn't get into. I'm not going to go back into that. I'm
53:00
going to stay on point here. But the postmodernist has politicized everything in this in this world.
53:06
And that's a terrible burden for our military service members to shoulder. They know they're
53:12
supposed to remain apolitical. That's their obligation. So when you politicize everything
53:18
about their belief system and say that to disagree with various aspects of a training
53:26
that are imposed upon you by people who have a different value system than you do is political.
53:33
That's an unfair burden that they shoulder. Oh, don't disagree with that. You get along,
53:37
you shut up and you color. Otherwise, we're going to charge you with political partisanship.
53:41
It's like, well, hold on a second. I'm entitled to my beliefs as a US service member. I don't lose
53:47
that constitutional right when I join the service. Now, I do join a different justice system,
53:53
essentially, the uniform code of military justice. But I do not lose the right to believe as I wish.
53:58
I do not lose the right to free speech. I lose the right to criticize certain people.
54:02
And so I wrote about the greatness of the American ideal. And then I write about, as we've covered,
54:11
the lineage of Marxist ideas that are the roots of what is known as critical race theory,
54:19
the race identity politics that we're seeing today, that shouldn't be politically partisan
54:24
to discuss. I mean, it's essentially academic. Now, this is being pushed by leftists and attacked
54:33
by those on the right. But it's not politically partisan to address these things. I'm pointing
54:38
this out because I was fired for being politically partisan. I don't mention Democrats versus Republicans.
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I mentioned the words a couple times in my book because it was important. But the point is,
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there's nothing politically partisan about exposing Marxism. Marxist ideology is something we committed
54:55
great blood and treasures to during the Cold War. All of our service members, they lay their lives
55:02
on the line to defend our way of life against that ideology. So that's part two of the book.
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Part three is where you're getting into where this unmaking of the American military,
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I trace through very specific examples of what I'm seeing in the service.
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And I start with a conversation I actually had with a chaplain. I don't know. It's an italicized
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vignette at the beginning of chapter five of the book, which is at the end of part two.
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But I mentioned that the chaplain, who was a very friendly black activist and Christian chaplain,
55:40
by the way, wanted to give race in America lectures to my airman. I said, well, I expressed
55:49
some hesitancy at that. So I'd like to understand what it is that you'd like to share with him.
55:53
So he came back another day and we had over an hour conversation. And what it came down to is
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that we need to fix systemic racism. And so he was going to offer ways we could do that. And I
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said, well, what do you mean by systemic racism? He says, uh, him, ha, him, ha, and I pressed him
56:09
on it. And I said, no, I want to know what you think that means. And he says it means that whites
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are racist. Okay. And I told him that view is not welcome in our military and that that to impugn
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guilt to people based on the color of their skin itself is racist. And so that's what really
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started to get me worried. That was very, very early on in my command tour. Okay. That chaplain
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is supported by a base commander who is black and an activist. I share that just for context.
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That's never mattered before last year, by the way. But he was very supportive of and pushing
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that agenda. In fact, I've never shared this publicly before. There are a number of civilians
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at that base who are waiting to share a private witness with the investigators who are supposed
57:01
to come investigate the political activism that was going on at the base. And they never came.
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They were ready to share some of their private interactions with the space commander. Things
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like how he was holding up pictures of the Trump administration and asking his white civilian
57:18
employees what's wrong with this picture. And they'd say, I don't know, you tell us and say,
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there's no black people. That's what's wrong with this picture. They're all white.
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He had a white female in his office who he said, you can't possibly understand what's going on
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in this country because of your white privilege. She pushed back and disagreed with him. He asked
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her to watch some propaganda videos that he had found on YouTube over the weekend, his homework.
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And then he said, no one at this base will disrupt or undermine the Black Lives Matter agenda.
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This is a base commander whose job it is. His job is to care and feeding of the people at his base,
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and he's feeding them political propaganda. And when someone speaks up and says, hey, that guy's
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a political activist, they lose their command. They get fired. That's me. And so people are afraid.
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You can't let people run around the military doing that kind of thing. It'll wreck everything.
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But that's exactly what we're allowing people to do. So starting there, and for probably 60 pages,
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I lay out example after example of things that are happening, conversations I was having both in
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my office and with others at other bases and from other services about why they were losing their
58:36
desire to serve in the US military. It's because everything's becoming political. If they're white,
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they're tired of being told they're racist. If they're black, they're tired of working for a racist.
58:46
Now, I'm going to be careful. I'm getting ahead of myself and I'm actually not being careful. So
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I'm going to restate that. Regardless of race, there are different reasons why people are
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disagreeing with what's being taught. And there are black and white people who are conservative.
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They're black and white people who are not. And so regardless of race, there are people who take
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umption with what they're hearing. But I had a young black female in my office who said she'd
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never learned before. She talked to the chaplain. She'd never learned before growing up that she was
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an outsider in her country and in uniform. And this is the kind of stuff this is doing. So why would
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she want to keep serving for her whole life if she feels like an outsider? That's when you know
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we're off base. Okay. And the fact that I try and draw attention to that in a book and get fired
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for it should tell every American listener that it's time to step up and defend our American troops
59:38
from political activism. That's why Congressman Dan Crenshaw's he's been doing good work with us.
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Senator Tom Cotton was very responsive. I was very grateful for his um advocacy and the number
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of others. There's a number of others that are getting very concerned about when they hear this.
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And here's a problem. Again, as a military person, I never cared what people's politics are.
1:00:04
Not a single Democrat in the Congress was interested in stepping up to bat to root this out of our
1:00:09
military. And I can't for the life of me figure out why that is. They didn't want to touch it
1:00:16
with a 10-foot pole. It's like, fine, we have policy disagreements. This isn't a politically
1:00:21
partisan thing. You're destroying our military. Who's going to defend the American people if our
1:00:27
American troops are divided? That this is that's why that's why it warranted a book. I mean,
1:00:35
this is tear this you get thinking through these problems. This has the potential to wreck everything.
1:00:40
You don't divide your military and your police forces and then hope to maintain a safe society.
1:00:45
Well, the last the last two, I guess, fronts that this war was going to be fought on this war of
1:00:51
wokeness, you could call Marxism's conquest was going to be, in my opinion, in my estimation, was
1:00:57
business and military. Because the business sector, that was always the thing. It's like,
1:01:01
okay, yeah, yeah, you got your purple hair and your nose rings when you're in college,
1:01:04
but then you're going to have to get out and get a job with your degree. And then you're
1:01:08
going to get into the real world. You're going to start paying taxes. And you're not just going
1:01:11
to act this way anymore. But as we've seen over and over, these companies are more than willing
1:01:15
to bend over and take it from these young ideologues. And they're like, oh, Coca-Cola, or
1:01:21
Bank of America, or any of these enormous brands, they are terrified of a few dozen nerds on Twitter
1:01:28
saying something negative about their organization. And a quarter of those might be Russian bots for
1:01:34
all we know, right? I'll get comments on Instagram sometimes. And then I'm like, this is this is
1:01:38
clearly not a real person. Like this is someone that's just trying to stir up the pot, especially
1:01:42
if you talk about abortion or something like that. So that's a business side. But then the
1:01:45
military side, I think this is caught everyone by surprise. Because at the end of the day,
1:01:50
the military is going to be above this because they have to be right. We're in the business of
1:01:55
destroying things and people that are just trying to destroy our things and our people, right?
1:02:00
But we're in this part now to where it's like, we can't even operate with that paradigm because
1:02:05
we have to fight the battle in terms of business. And now the military, which I think is very valuable
1:02:10
Matthew, because at the end of your book, you're not just describing, you do a lot of describing
1:02:14
for a couple hundred pages, plus you describe what's going on. You do it in great detail.
1:02:20
But you give a very, very quick call to action. So in chapter seven, it's called the wrath to come,
1:02:25
you give the reader or the listener these things to do. So avoid anger and violence,
1:02:31
be courageous, get educated, speak up, live not by lies, and pay attention. Okay. So avoiding
1:02:40
anger and violence, there was a quick quote from that book, he said, patiently persuade them
1:02:44
in thoughtful dialogue while remaining content with the idea that others believe differently than you.
1:02:48
That's where I get really, really cynical, because most people that believe this way,
1:02:52
don't want to be challenged. I talk about all the time that, you know, I bring up the abortion
1:02:56
issue or guns or immigration. These people want to be told how right they are. They want likes
1:03:01
and ring tweets. They don't want discussion. And the be courageous point, you said,
1:03:05
let me interrupt you. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Go on to be courageous in just a minute. But let me
1:03:10
interrupt you about this. Don't get angry and patiently persuade people. Right. Okay. So
1:03:16
I agree with everything that I've written by way of recommendation at the end of this book.
1:03:20
I'll say that upfront. However, again, if you look at my recommendations, they are
1:03:28
in part a consequence of the context in which I found myself at the time I wrote the book,
1:03:36
which was an active duty service member in command of a unit. And I wanted to make it abundantly
1:03:41
clear. And I still do. I'm not advocating in any way, shape, or form that people should get
1:03:46
violence solve this problem. Okay. In fact, that's exactly the hope of a Marxist revolutionary,
1:03:53
whose now the moment society becomes violent and start fighting civil conflict, civil war,
1:04:01
that's the Marxist revolution. It's gotten underway. Now, I can have I've had plenty
1:04:08
conversations about this with people. It it is not possible to use logic and rationale
1:04:16
and reason to talk through what you and I are discussing right now with an emotionally
1:04:26
enraged ideologue. It's not possible. In fact, their emotion is so visceral.
1:04:32
Their hate and anger are so manifest that they're not going to be reasoned with. Okay. Now,
1:04:41
there are many good people. And this is why this recommendation, I think still has merit.
1:04:48
There are many good people in our circles who perhaps don't agree with your politics or your
1:04:54
religious views and even sympathize with some of these revolutionary organizations or movements
1:04:59
who simply yet remain uninformed and who are willing to engage in dialogue and who aren't
1:05:05
yet emotionally wrapped up around the axle. And so I think that that piece of advice is
1:05:10
potentially useful to help help some people wake up and and there are conservatives
1:05:17
who recognize that things feel icky. They don't like what's going on, but they can't quite put
1:05:24
the finger on it. You're going to help those people a great deal as you try and educate them and talk
1:05:28
through some of this and persuade them because there are people who pride themselves in being
1:05:32
kind of centrist. Well, I can see both sides. Well, guess what? You see, there are, in fact,
1:05:39
two very polarized sides at the moment. There's no center position in what we're talking about.
1:05:45
So you need to help people understand that. And so I think that's why that piece of advice is
1:05:50
still valuable. Well, I think people, moderates, as they're called, are centrist drive me absolutely
1:05:56
insane because you can't be a centrist on abortion. You're either snuffing out an innocent human life
1:06:01
or you're not. There's no I can see both sides of the issue. That doesn't mean that you have to be
1:06:05
black and white and all of your thinking, but to pretend as if you don't need to kind of stick
1:06:09
your flag in the ground on one side or the other is absolutely foolish. But I think it's very
1:06:13
important kind of you're you're bringing up the don't cast your pearls before swine scripture,
1:06:16
because you have these people that are rabid ideologues. They they don't want to know if they're
1:06:21
wrong and they don't want their opinion to be changed. But there are so many I bring up the
1:06:24
abortion issue again. There's so many people that don't even know what happens in an abortion. But
1:06:28
then there's showed a cartoon rendering by someone like live action. And they're shown this is what
1:06:33
an abortion looks like. They're just on the street. They're like, yeah, I guess I'm pro choice. We
1:06:36
shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their bodies. And then they see the reality of
1:06:40
what an abortion is. And then they're like, Oh, my goodness gracious, that's a baby in there.
1:06:44
And they're ripping it limb from limb. That's insane. And so that's what I would like to just
1:06:48
like you advocate for people to really have those conversations with people in the middle that are
1:06:52
just flat out ignorant. That doesn't mean they're stupid. It means they're ignorant. They don't quite
1:06:56
understand what's going on. And so again, avoid anger and violence. But you also talked about
1:07:00
be courageous. I love the quote, do not be a cowardly summer soldier or a sunshine, sunshine
1:07:05
patriot. There's a lot of people that are willing to do the sunshine, sunshine patriotism and kind
1:07:10
of go that route. It just becomes a big issue. But I do want to focus in as we kind of bring
1:07:14
this to a close here, the pay attention side. So that's the last thing that you talked about in
1:07:18
terms of the call to action. Because a lot of people I've said this a bunch. They were caught
1:07:22
completely flat footed by COVID. And they were caught completely flat footed. When it became,
1:07:28
they didn't know their mayor's name. They didn't know the names of the people in the school board.
1:07:31
They didn't know the sheriff. They didn't know anybody that could have an impact on whether or not
1:07:36
their business was closed as to whether or not their kid could go to school without a piece of
1:07:40
cloth over their face that doesn't actually do anything for them. And then these people,
1:07:44
they're trying to like scurry and they're trying to figure out when the next election is. And it's
1:07:48
like, you're just being flat footed because you weren't paying attention. But to my audience,
1:07:52
you got a lot of guys that are that are wanting to push back darkness, they're wanting to know
1:07:56
these things, but perhaps they're not readers. Perhaps they don't really like the news cycle,
1:08:00
because it stresses them out. How specifically, because you only give it, you know, short shrift
1:08:04
in your book, but how specifically can we pay attention so that we can turn this into something
1:08:08
actionable? Yeah, great question. So never before this past calendar year have I appreciated just how
1:08:17
important it was to pay attention to local government, local governance, who's elected to office as
1:08:23
you're mentioning. And I think it's important to bend their ear. You know, as I mentioned earlier in
1:08:29
the podcast, we just moved to a new state. It's fairly it's very conservative. And we picked a
1:08:34
conservative town within that state. And all that meant that I paid very close attention to
1:08:41
political demographics of counties when I was picking a place to live. Because what I don't want
1:08:48
to do is be told how to live every jot and to live my life for the rest of my life, right? So
1:08:53
then we then we show up to our new town, excited about the school district and all of this kind of
1:08:59
thing. And we investigate before just dumping our new kindergarten daughter off at the public
1:09:04
school just to find out that even in a small conservative town, the school board administrators
1:09:11
and parents are being bullied by a very small group of people here who are activists. And
1:09:15
this is very problematic to me that you can have the preponderance of parents and administrators,
1:09:23
all of one mind, and choose actually to change their policy based on the voice of a very few.
1:09:30
And they did. So we didn't we didn't we chose to homeschool our child and not put her in public
1:09:39
school. And then I went to the public school and had a conversation with the front office and
1:09:43
the administrators and explained calmly why it was that we were disappointed in the decisions
1:09:50
that the county was making. And I won't get into the details. But the bottom line is
1:09:56
if I hadn't paid attention as a parent, I would have known what was going on. I was
1:10:00
set my my daughter up to school and we would have gone to work and gone about our lives and
1:10:04
been grateful for childcare for a few hours. That's not acceptable right now. And so parents
1:10:10
need to be very involved in. I've been very glad to see that I'm on the education rant at the moment,
1:10:16
but you know, I've been glad to see all these videos showing up in social media during the past
1:10:20
eight nine nine months where school boards are being lit up by upset parents who are finally
1:10:26
they've had enough. So we need more activism. I'll put it that way from conservatives.
1:10:34
From people with traditional values, because they'll be steam, make no mistake about it.
1:10:38
The left is very active. They're much better at that than than decent human beings who simply
1:10:42
don't want to get in other people's faces. Okay. But you can't sit idly by and expect that you're
1:10:51
not going to have your liberties taken from you. The government is actively taking them from you
1:10:55
right now. And it's not going to give them back. Okay. So you need to get active and that involves
1:11:01
local government. It involves speaking up. It involves unfortunately work and good solutions
1:11:07
require work. Meaningful solutions require people to actually take action. It requires letters. And
1:11:12
then it requires phone calls to your local government. They hate getting phone calls all day about
1:11:17
various issues. And then it means using the federal level elected officials as well. And
1:11:23
I can tell you from sitting down in DC this earlier this year, several months ago,
1:11:30
they're getting a lot of letters and phone calls. And it's making a difference. You might not see
1:11:34
on a day to the basis what kind of impact you're making. But I'll tell you, it makes a difference.
1:11:39
And so I'll leave it at that. Otherwise, we'll get wrapped up around this. But I think you need to
1:11:44
start paying attention and get involved by writing and calling your local leaders and the leaders
1:11:50
at the federal level. That's absolutely a great way to look at it. And I tell people this all the
1:11:54
time. So your kids in public school, and they just brought in some sort of like transgender book
1:11:59
into the library that happened to a school that's just stones throw away from where I live. And it's
1:12:04
like, what is your recourse as a parent? So you go in and talk to the teacher, you talk to the
1:12:08
principal, you talk to the superintendent, whose salaries are set regardless of whether or not your
1:12:13
kid is in their classroom. Right. Now, if you're at a private school, right, that's a little bit
1:12:19
different. Because if if that kid and 10 others like them leave, that affects the funding for the
1:12:24
entire operation. So maybe you're going to get a little bit more of an ear that you can bend.
1:12:28
But it's these parents that think that they can just complain and get their way. It's like,
1:12:31
that's not how it goes. But I do like how you're talking about how people need to get involved.
1:12:34
Because a lot of conservatives, which there are a lot of listeners to this that are conservatives,
1:12:37
a lot of Christians, they want to be left alone. Right. It's like, look, this is not my
1:12:42
heel to die on. Just leave me alone. Let me be me. But that's not what the other side wants.
1:12:47
Because then I use this example a lot in the 90s. It was like, Hey, just leave us alone. We're gay.
1:12:51
We want to be in love. Just leave us alone. Now it's you need to cheer us on as we make out in public.
1:12:57
And if you don't, you're a horribly bigoted person. But for all these people, and I say this a lot,
1:13:02
but one day we woke up and we found out that the war was over and we never put on our helmet and
1:13:09
picked up our sword. It was just one of those things where it's like, you never saw a hill that
1:13:13
was worth dying on. And there were no more hills because it's scorched earth at that point. But
1:13:18
now you got me all fired up. But hey, yeah, you invoke this language from Paul about putting on
1:13:25
God's armor. I mean, that's really look through my suggestions that I'll tell your viewer this look
1:13:31
through the suggestions at the end of my book, and then pull up Paul's words about putting on the
1:13:37
full armor of God. And I think you'll see some parallels there. Now I wrote my book in secular
1:13:41
terms. But that's really important. Be salt of the earth. I mean, salt is intended to preserve
1:13:50
the collection of society. Only if it's salty, though, right? If you lose your savor, well,
1:13:57
then you're good to be trod under the foot of man. Yeah, the salt is meant to preserve. And I,
1:14:02
you know, one of the things that we mentioned earlier is that you kind of applauded my decision
1:14:08
to separate and, you know, not get wrapped up around a pension. And that was important and good
1:14:13
for my family. And that was our decision. But we need good people in our military. We need good
1:14:18
people in our police force. And if everyone does what I did, and if that was right for everyone,
1:14:22
well, we're in really big trouble. If they're all the decent people say, I'm not putting up
1:14:25
with this anymore, I'm leaving, I'm leaving the military, I'm leaving the police force.
1:14:30
Boy, think about, think about the consequences that would have if you've got a bunch of aspiring
1:14:36
totalitarian or weak cowards who are left serving in our military. I mean, then when you have
1:14:41
totalitarianism power, they're able to use them for their purposes. And they're not going to stand,
1:14:45
they're not going to stand up, put their foot down. I just read an article two days ago that 27
1:14:50
Air Force pilots have resigned over the force vaccinations, 27 Air Force pilots. Now, I don't
1:14:56
know who they are. I don't know what jets they fly. Some of them are F 22 pilots. We've had a
1:14:59
terrible pilot shortage in this country in our Air Force for a very long time, for like the last
1:15:06
decade. Yeah, like the last decade. And losing 27 pilots, it doesn't just take one-year pilot
1:15:14
training to create combat ready pilots. It takes many more years. You can't afford to be losing
1:15:21
your decent people. And everything we're doing at the moment disincentivizes courageous, decent
1:15:26
people from wanting to stick around because they care a great deal about getting along with their
1:15:30
family, not being tread upon and having liberty. And so I'm grateful to hear when good people are
1:15:38
wanting to stick around, speak up, push back. And for me and our family is the best choice to
1:15:45
to move on out. That's what we say all the time is to be able to push back darkness. And again,
1:15:51
you've got to be in the game. So as a follow up to your calls to action, guys, you've got to be
1:15:56
in the game, you've got to be paying attention. And again, Sun Tzu, if you don't know your enemy,
1:16:00
you can't fight against them. You're going to be fighting on a front that doesn't exist. But
1:16:03
Matthew, I get the sense that that we could keep going, but we're going to go ahead and put a wrap
1:16:07
on this particular interview. I feel like we're going to probably do this again at some point.
1:16:10
But as for now, that is all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
1:16:13
First, thanks for having me on. You do a great job.
1:16:18
I do want to say one thing. So you might want to end your podcast with a quick ending like that.
1:16:29
But now I'm going to stumble a bit as I try to remember what you just said at last. And so our
1:16:33
interview will end a little bit clumsily. But oh, okay, I've remembered what it is.
1:16:41
You mentioned, you know, many people might think this isn't my hill to die on. And it is wise to
1:16:49
pick your battles. Okay, you don't want to take up the sword on every issue. I was against forced
1:16:56
vaccinations. That wasn't my hill to die on in the military. It was this, it was this stuff.
1:17:02
But I want your viewer to understand if they have the mentality that this stuff that they see
1:17:08
happening in society is not their hill to die on, they need to understand that our country stands
1:17:14
in peril. And nearly probably most every country in human history has recognized the peril far too
1:17:24
late to do anything about it. There are those that I talk with today who know what they're talking
1:17:31
about as far as all of this stuff goes, who are already concerned that we might be recognizing
1:17:36
too late. And so yeah, this, this hill, the proverbial hill, it's time for you to stand up and start
1:17:42
fighting. And I don't mean violently, per se, what I mean is that you have to be courageous,
1:17:47
you have to do all the things I recommend at the end of the book, and that you Kyle are recommending
1:17:51
to your listeners. So I just want to make that point, your country stands in peril. Be active,
1:17:57
be the salt of the earth. And despite an unwilling left, I'll say, or an unwilling leftist radical
1:18:07
activist, we need to seek for the kind of unity that has made our country commendable. And oh,
1:18:15
I should end on this longer than you wanted. I should end on this. You know, we're approaching
1:18:19
the 20 year anniversary of 9/11. Regardless of whether someone agrees with or disagrees with,
1:18:27
our reasons for entering Afghanistan now in hindsight. There's a big difference between America
1:18:35
in the aftermath of 2001, September 11, 2001, and today. And it's that we were united around
1:18:43
fighting against the common enemy and in a belief about the greatness of the American ideal
1:18:49
in 2001. And we're becoming more and more polarized and divided today. That's a big difference.
1:18:56
And the American people need to recognize that and understand just how dangerous
1:19:00
dangerous and precarious a situation it is that we find ourselves in and find line that we're
1:19:11
walking right now between peace and conflict. It's as if the angels of heaven are holding back
1:19:18
the conflict and allowing us some more time to get it right. So I'd invite your viewer to
1:19:23
try their best to be courageous and stand up. All right. I think that's a great word to leave
1:19:27
it on. Matthew Lomire. Thank you for coming on on Daunted Life, a man's podcast. Thanks.
1:19:32
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podcast that helps you for spiritual, mental and physical resilience. So the two links I've got
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for you today, I've got his book that is irresistible revolution Marxism's goal of conquest and the
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unmaking of the American military. So you can go to the website and check that out. And then also,
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he mentioned a YouTube video in there by Christopher Rufo called Critical Race Theory. I've got that
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here for you as well. All right, guys. Thanks so much for listening to this. I really do appreciate
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re recording of their album leveler. The links are in the description. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
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Remember, keep pushing back darkness. Keep forging spiritual, mental and physical resilience.
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Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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