MARKWAYNE MULLIN | Reclaiming America (Ep. 340)

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0:02 - This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.

0:21 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

0:23 Let's get into it.

0:24 Hi guys, today we got a special guest on the podcast.

0:26 His name is Mark Wayne Mullen.

0:27 So he is running to represent the state of Oklahoma

0:29 as one of its two US senators.

0:31 He was one of the top two vote getters

0:33 in the June 29th Republican primary

0:35 here in the state of Oklahoma.

0:36 He got 43.6% of the vote.

0:38 And he will be part of a runoff election

0:40 which will be held on August the 23rd

0:42 to determine who will represent the Republican party

0:44 in the general election on November the 8th of this year.

0:47 So in order to help Oklahoma Republicans

0:49 with their decision on August the 23rd

0:51 and so that people outside of the state of Oklahoma

0:53 can hear from a politician

0:54 that will very, very likely become a member of the US Senate,

0:57 I interviewed both of these guys.

0:58 So I interviewed Mark Wayne Mullen and his opponent,

1:00 T.W. Shannon, tried to get it on the same day,

1:03 but we got it around the same time period

1:05 and I'm releasing the interviews with them

1:06 on the same day at the same time.

1:08 What I tried to do and what you'll probably see

1:10 if you listen to both of them

1:11 is I did my best to conduct the interviews in a way

1:13 that allows for all of you to easily compare and trust

1:17 their answers on a load of important topics.

1:19 So a lot of the questions were the exact same.

1:20 There were some interesting different bits of follow up.

1:23 So T.W. is a little bit brief.

1:25 Then Mark Wayne went into a little bit more detail

1:27 but hopefully that's apparent when you listen to this

1:29 that I try to be as neutral as possible with all this.

1:31 And guys, again, just side note,

1:32 if you're wondering why does it look so dark right now,

1:34 if you're watching me on Rumble or on YouTube,

1:36 it's because it's very early right now.

1:37 So in order to get this done and in between his schedule,

1:40 we had to make sure to get this done early.

1:42 So that's why it looks the way that it does right now.

1:44 And part of that is because he is currently

1:46 a member of the United States House of Representatives

1:48 representing Oklahoma's second congressional district.

1:50 So we had to move this interview around a couple of times

1:52 because Nancy Pelosi decided

1:53 that we needed to move the vote here on this day,

1:55 move the vote here on that day,

1:56 but that's neither here nor there.

1:57 But he is also a businessman that runs the Mullen Ranch,

2:00 which is actually a working cow-calf operation

2:02 in Eastern Oklahoma.

2:03 And he's also a former MMA fighter.

2:05 So he's a three and oh professional record

2:07 as far as I could tell.

2:08 He's had a whole lot of jujitsu,

2:09 even though he and I talked a little bit afterwards.

2:11 It's been a while since he's been able

2:12 to consistently be on the mats.

2:14 But in this particular interview,

2:15 we obviously talked about why he's running

2:17 for the United States Senate,

2:18 the kind of the differences between the US House

2:21 and the US Senate and whether that will look like

2:23 if he transitions,

2:24 how he's going to be able to keep this sizable lead

2:27 over TW from the primary and now into the runoff.

2:31 Also, he got Donald Trump's endorsement.

2:33 I asked him, you know,

2:34 "Hey, is that going to put a little bit of stain on you?"

2:35 Because not already likes Trump.

2:37 So we get into that.

2:37 We can do his thoughts on Joe Biden

2:39 and the Biden administration.

2:40 We talk about how if he goes to the US Senate,

2:42 how he can help fix the economy,

2:43 what we're dealing right now with illegal immigration,

2:46 the rise of China, wokeness.

2:48 I asked him about his Christian faith

2:49 and how that's kind of a center point

2:51 of what he's doing there.

2:52 I take him through the,

2:53 what did you say to someone that said to section,

2:55 which again, I know you guys love that.

2:56 When I do that with people on this podcast,

2:58 but also the big question,

2:59 which is why Okey should vote for him over TW Shannon.

3:01 So guys, I really enjoyed my time with him.

3:03 I hope you did as well.

3:04 So without further ado, let's get into it.

3:07 Mark Wayne Bullen.

3:08 Welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.

3:10 - Thanks, Kyle.

3:11 Thanks for having me on.

3:12 - Hey, I'm glad we were able to work this out.

3:13 Nancy Pelosi tried to keep this from happening.

3:15 And you know, we had to reschedule a couple of times

3:17 because you know, she had to,

3:18 in between, you know, her vodka tonics,

3:20 she had to make sure she could get a couple of votes

3:22 moved around.

3:23 - And this is an expensive ice cream.

3:25 And actually, I'm setting in a little call suite in DC

3:28 because I'm still stuck in DC right now.

3:31 - Well, when are you going to come back to Oklahoma?

3:33 Cause I mean, we need you on this red dirt.

3:34 We don't need you out there in the swamp.

3:36 - I don't like being in the concrete jungle

3:38 anymore than I have to.

3:39 So we'll be, we'll be heading back

3:41 just as soon as we get out of here.

3:42 Hopefully today that's my,

3:43 that's my plan to get on a late flight tonight

3:45 and fly back to God's country.

3:47 - All right, fair enough.

3:48 Well, in this interview,

3:49 we're going to obviously get to know you a little bit better,

3:51 but I hate starting generically,

3:53 but you kind of have to cause not everybody knows

3:55 what they're tuning in for.

3:56 So in the most generic way possible,

3:58 why are you running for the United States Senate?

4:01 - Well, I feel like the fight's in the Senate.

4:04 I'm not okay with setting back.

4:06 I don't think that's where we're at in this country right now.

4:08 I have a saying that I came up with years and years ago.

4:13 I had a, I had a secretary that worked for me

4:16 that was running a company that was managing the company

4:18 in Oklahoma City and every time I walked in her office,

4:21 she always had a tremendous amount of complaints to bring to me.

4:26 And it always bugged me because I don't mind having complaints,

4:29 but have solutions with you.

4:30 I'll hire you as a manager.

4:31 You need to come up with some solutions.

4:33 And I was just fed up with one day

4:35 and I rode on her calendar.

4:37 And back then we had desk calendars

4:39 which was a great thing to do to one.

4:41 And I rode across you.

4:43 You're never going to change anything.

4:44 You're willing to tolerate.

4:44 This was probably 2001, 2002.

4:48 And every since then, I've kind of lived by that.

4:49 You're never going to change anything you're willing to tolerate.

4:51 And just like you and everybody else,

4:54 I'm fed up with what's happening right now.

4:56 And I feel like that fights in the Senate and I've got more fight.

4:59 I want to be someplace to be productive.

5:01 You know, when the seat came open,

5:02 my wife looked at me, she asked me one question.

5:05 Where can you be the most productive?

5:07 If you're going to be away from me and the kids,

5:10 because we have six kids,

5:12 I coach them almost every single weekend

5:14 when we're wrestling or Jiu-Jitsu, either one.

5:17 And my wife and I were best friends.

5:20 I mean, I mean that sincerely.

5:21 We've been married 25 years and we were high school sweethearts,

5:26 elementary sweethearts, junior high sweethearts,

5:28 been together forever.

5:30 And when she asked me about it without hesitation,

5:32 I said, "I said the Senate."

5:34 She said, "And that's where we need to be."

5:36 And so that's where the fight is.

5:38 And that's where I think we're going to be to have,

5:39 that's where the fight for this country,

5:40 that's where the heart of this country is right now in the Senate.

5:43 Because through these executive orders,

5:45 she's making the regulations and laws

5:48 that are destroying this country.

5:49 And every one of those go through the Senate.

5:51 - Yeah, I obviously agree with that.

5:53 And the interesting thing about it,

5:54 as I said in the intro,

5:56 is you're currently in the United States House of Representatives,

5:59 and then there's the US Senate.

6:00 Now, most people that don't pay attention

6:01 because we don't teach civics anymore in this country,

6:03 they don't really know the fundamental difference

6:05 between the two.

6:06 Whereas I guess the easy way to talk about

6:08 is the US House of Representatives

6:09 is kind of where all the gunslingers are, right?

6:10 You can say a lot of things,

6:11 but there's a whole lot more of them.

6:13 But the United States Senate is one of the fraternities,

6:16 that's one of the most exclusive on the planet.

6:18 Every state gets two senators.

6:19 You're trying to be one of two here

6:21 for the state of Oklahoma.

6:23 So why do you think,

6:25 I guess what do you think it would be like for you,

6:27 assuming that you win these next two elections

6:29 or something like that,

6:30 going from the United States House of Representatives

6:33 to the US Senate, what would that be like?

6:35 - Oh, then I'm bringing the average age way down.

6:38 - Right, that's true, yeah.

6:40 - It's an old man club, I don't know,

6:44 it's this new challenge in our life.

6:45 I'm never afraid of challenges,

6:47 I believe that you should walk it towards pressure,

6:49 not walk away from pressure.

6:51 But I do know the differences between the chamber.

6:53 They call them the upper and lower chambers.

6:55 So technically up here,

6:57 the Senate's called the upper chamber house,

7:00 it's called the lower chamber.

7:01 And you described it real well,

7:02 you got a lot more gunslingers down in the weeds,

7:05 in the mud, on the house.

7:08 The Senate moves much slower, it's methodical,

7:11 it's designed to do that,

7:13 and our founding fathers wanted to do that.

7:15 They knew that the Senate would move fast,

7:17 they needed to slow down the process

7:19 when it got to the Senate

7:20 to give more time to actually process what's happening.

7:23 And, but there is a large difference,

7:26 because in a house, we are strictly legislators.

7:30 I mean, we make walls,

7:31 that's the nuts and bolts of it.

7:35 Yeah, we do control the first strings,

7:37 but we jointly control the first strings with the Senate.

7:41 So the upper and lower chamber has to agree

7:43 on all any spending bill.

7:45 But in a house, we are legislators.

7:47 In a Senate, they deal with more

7:49 than things we're dealing with right now,

7:50 like the Supreme Court nominees.

7:52 They have to vote on them and bring them in.

7:56 Now the president can nominate them,

7:58 but the Senate confirms them.

8:01 When you have all these agencies,

8:03 the regulatory agencies,

8:05 they're the ones that get confirmed,

8:06 all these head of agencies,

8:08 they get confirmed in the Senate.

8:11 You start talking about the DOD,

8:13 all promotions, once you get above Colonel,

8:18 they go through the Senate and they get confirmed.

8:24 And when you start talking about ambassadors,

8:26 who caused me all kinds of trouble

8:28 when I was over in Afghanistan,

8:29 when we were trying to get Americans out

8:31 because this administration

8:32 decided to leave Americans behind for political purposes,

8:35 my biggest hindrance was dealing

8:37 with the State Department underneath Secretary Blinken

8:40 and these ambassadors over there.

8:42 And all that goes through the Senate.

8:44 So when I say that the fight's in the Senate, that's why.

8:48 The president, once we get control

8:50 of the House in November and control the Senate,

8:53 the president's not gonna be ruling through legislation

8:56 anymore like he has been through Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

8:59 He's gonna be doing it all through these agencies

9:01 to which he appointed and the Senate confirmed.

9:04 So I feel like I have a better opportunity

9:06 to hold these agencies, hold the DOD,

9:08 hold the State Department accountable

9:10 being a Senator than I do a representative.

9:12 - Well, so let's talk about that a little bit further

9:13 because obviously I've been watching what,

9:16 good things people are saying about things,

9:17 people are saying about both people in this race.

9:19 One of the things about you is it's like,

9:20 okay, you're a swamp creature

9:21 because you've been in Washington, DC for over a decade,

9:24 as in the United States House of Representatives.

9:28 And so it's like, it's almost like,

9:29 hey, does he have the countenance?

9:31 Does he have the emotional fortitude to be able to move

9:35 from the gunslinging side of the House to the upper chamber

9:38 to the upper house, those types of things?

9:40 That's something that's being said,

9:41 but also it is a different mindset

9:44 in terms of how you're supposed to operate

9:46 and the House and the things that you say

9:48 hold a lot more weight because there's so much fewer,

9:50 so so many fewer US senators,

9:53 you're elected to the six year terms, those types of things.

9:55 So what would you say to people that would be like,

9:56 hey, you've been in Congress the entire time spending's gone

9:59 out the wazoo the entire time this, that and the other things

10:02 been going on?

10:02 I know you've heard that before, but what's your response?

10:05 - Well, I consider myself a true citizen legislator.

10:07 I'm not just saying that.

10:08 We've created jobs, we have businesses from plumbing

10:12 to restaurants, to property companies.

10:15 We come home every single weekend.

10:17 I'm working on the ranch, which we have a cow-cab operation

10:20 that we lose money all the time on.

10:22 I'm coaching wrestling every weekend.

10:24 I don't live up here.

10:25 In fact, I live in my office.

10:26 I don't even, I don't even know the place up here.

10:29 I get on a plane.

10:30 I sleep in my office and I work out down in the gym

10:33 and I come home as fast as I can,

10:36 because to actually know what's happening,

10:38 a true citizen legislator, this isn't their job.

10:41 This is an opportunity for me, but this isn't my income.

10:45 This isn't how I provide for my family.

10:47 This is a service and I wake up every single morning

10:49 and say, love the people, love the call.

10:51 My livelihood is our companies that we built way

10:54 before we got up here.

10:55 My wife and I, we've gotten business when we're 20 years old

10:58 and we had nothing and now we employ hundreds of people

11:00 across the state of Oklahoma and that's a touch reality.

11:04 That's different than what you have up here.

11:06 When I first got up here, there was only one other

11:08 current business owner.

11:09 In fact, when I first got here, I was told by House Ethics

11:12 that I should put all my business either sell 'em

11:15 or put 'em on a blind trust.

11:16 And I said, I will go proke if I do that.

11:18 That's what they tell people.

11:19 So most people's only so income is that that serve up here

11:23 and the Senate and the House come from only being

11:26 a member of Congress or the member of the Senate.

11:29 And that's wrong.

11:31 How do you actually understand what a citizen

11:33 legislator is if you're not living by those rules?

11:35 'Cause no one's gonna fight harder for you

11:37 with firsthand knowledge.

11:39 And that's just the fact.

11:41 People, there's a lot of lobbyists up here

11:42 that are coming and giving you knowledge.

11:44 But are you gonna be passionate about it

11:46 if you're not dealing with it?

11:47 If you don't understand what Obamacare is doing

11:49 for companies when you're trying to build,

11:50 you get punished because you have over 50 employees,

11:53 then it's hard for you to understand.

11:55 This morning, I'm working out in the gym

11:57 and there's another member in there from Massachusetts

12:00 and he's talking about how great it is

12:02 that we're gonna have through this mansion rollover

12:05 and the Build Back Better plan

12:07 that are gonna have a minimum tax of 15% on corporations.

12:11 And I said there, and I said,

12:12 "So what you're saying is you're gonna have

12:13 a minimum tax no matter what they spend,

12:15 no matter what they invest in their company,

12:17 they still are gonna have to pay 15%."

12:19 He says, "Yeah."

12:20 So people agree with that.

12:21 I said, "But what you don't understand

12:23 is that that's net income and in our company,

12:26 we budget 7 to 8% of our net income for growth,

12:31 that we're reinvesting in the economy

12:33 that we're hiring people,

12:34 that we're building jobs that you guys are talking about,

12:37 and now you're gonna have a 15%,

12:39 so no matter what I spend, I can't write that off.

12:41 I've gotta have a minimum tax, no matter what, a 15%.

12:45 No matter what, if I make a profit

12:47 or if I don't make a profit, I'm spending 15%.

12:49 I said, "That's taking money right out of the company,

12:51 sending it to Washington DC,

12:53 and they don't know how to spend it."

12:55 They're squandering it every day.

12:57 The problem is there are not enough citizen legislators

13:00 up here, and so if we're gonna fight,

13:03 then we need to have people with firsthand knowledge

13:05 and that's what I bring.

13:06 I'm not gonna do this forever,

13:08 but I get to do it now, and it's an honor to do it,

13:12 but we need more people up here that has the same lifestyle,

13:16 that knows that this is a service, not a livelihood.

13:20 Career politicians are just that,

13:22 and we all make decisions kind of on two things.

13:25 The weight we're raised, which never changes,

13:27 and you can take the good and the bad,

13:29 and you can decide what you wanna do with it,

13:30 because we all have good stories,

13:32 we all have bad stories about our childhood,

13:35 but your experiences from your livelihood,

13:39 from what you've done will always shape your income,

13:41 and it'll always shape your outcome.

13:43 If all you've ever done is had politics in your career,

13:47 then only thing you're gonna do is make political decisions.

13:50 I never went to a single political event in my life, Kyle,

13:54 until I stood up one day and said I was running for Congress,

13:57 that was the first political event I ever went through,

13:59 and at that time, I didn't know anything about politics.

14:02 - Yeah, it's rough, and it's the difference,

14:03 as you're talking, Mark Wayne,

14:04 it's like the difference between someone

14:05 that's read a business book and someone that's run a business,

14:08 because it's like someone that's read a business book,

14:10 they're like, oh yeah, that sounds pretty good,

14:11 we could probably do this and do that,

14:13 but someone that's actually ran a business before,

14:14 they're like, wait a minute, did you think about this?

14:17 You could do a univariate analysis,

14:19 and be like, that's a really stupid idea,

14:20 and this is why, you know why,

14:21 because I ran a business,

14:22 and when I used to try and do something like that,

14:24 it didn't work, so obviously that's what happens

14:26 when you get into a position like that, right?

14:28 - And Kyle, the reason why we haven't had minimum taxes,

14:31 like a minimum, X amount that you're gonna do this,

14:33 'cause we always encourage people to invest back in the economy,

14:37 because listen, if you're investing in the economy,

14:39 and you're not paying a income tax,

14:42 so to say, on your profit,

14:45 that doesn't mean you're not paying taxes,

14:46 because I'm paying taxes on everything I purchased still yet,

14:49 I'm paying taxes on every dollar that goes out on income,

14:53 that I'm paying employee taxes on,

14:57 I'm paying taxes on everything that we purchased

14:59 throughout the year, so you're still paying taxes,

15:02 but the reason why there hasn't ever been

15:03 a minimum corporate income tax is because there is business

15:08 right offs that allow you to reinvest in your company,

15:12 and that reinvestment is what this Build Back Better

15:16 or the Deficit Reduction Act,

15:17 'cause they renamed it to have a cool name,

15:19 like Affordable Health Care, which was Obamacare,

15:22 they renamed it to the Deficit Reduction Act,

15:26 that's one of those things that career politicians,

15:28 they don't understand because they've never signed

15:30 the front of the paycheck, they've never created it,

15:33 they've never set there and understood how hard it was

15:36 to make payroll sometimes when you're starting a business,

15:38 and now the entry to do business is gonna be so high

15:42 that it's gonna be difficult for new people to get involved,

15:44 because your first few years in business,

15:46 you're probably not making money,

15:48 'cause you're reinvesting everything into it,

15:50 so now you're not only not gonna be making money,

15:53 but now you're gonna also have a minimum

15:55 of a 15% tax on something that what,

15:57 you didn't make any money.

15:59 - Right.

15:59 - And people, career politicians don't get it.

16:01 - No, I mean, I gotta tell you,

16:02 when I was getting my MBA, I didn't know Jack about business,

16:05 even after I got my MBA and did well in the program,

16:07 I didn't know anything about business,

16:08 is whenever I started, whenever I had to figure out,

16:11 do I wanna do a LLC, am I gonna file as an S corp,

16:13 like, well, do I do the 501(c)(3) route,

16:16 that's when you're really kind of the rubber meets the road,

16:18 but in the June 29th primary,

16:20 you got 43.6% of the vote here in the state of Oklahoma,

16:23 I say here, even though you're still out there

16:25 on the East Coast right now, I'll still say here,

16:27 but in second place was the man that you'll be doing

16:29 the runoff election against on August the 23rd,

16:31 that's T.W. Shannon, he got 17.5% of the vote.

16:34 Now, some people might think like,

16:35 oh, this is already in the bag,

16:37 but obviously when these things happen,

16:38 there's kind of a consolidation of the other candidates,

16:41 and the votes kind of get split off.

16:43 And, you know, the last I saw,

16:44 there's maybe like four or five point difference

16:46 between the two of you right now,

16:47 I don't really know what internal polling we've got going on.

16:50 Okay.

16:51 - That's gonna be close.

16:52 - Okay, well, so let's talk a little bit about that.

16:54 So what is your team plan to do

16:56 to keep the sizable advantage

16:58 that you seemingly have over T.W. Shannon?

17:00 And I guess just generically,

17:02 what do you think of your opponent?

17:04 - T.W. is a good friend of mine,

17:06 and he'll probably say the same thing about me.

17:08 We've been, for instance, 2011.

17:10 We were up by over 30 points

17:14 before we got President Trump's endorsement.

17:16 So we were, there's never been a,

17:19 we've never been with even in 20 points of each other

17:22 from day one.

17:23 We've been fortunate that our lead has continued to grow,

17:27 and that was independent polling

17:31 that had us at 30% above.

17:33 And so then President Trump came in,

17:35 and President Trump's fair ability is,

17:38 it's astronomical instead of Oklahoma in the runoff.

17:41 It's like 90%.

17:42 And so President Trump and I have a good relationship too.

17:45 He knows that we had the same vision,

17:47 we had the same background,

17:48 meaning that we're business people,

17:50 we don't make political decisions,

17:52 we make business decisions.

17:53 And that's what he did.

17:54 He got criticized for it up here,

17:56 and I get criticized for doing the same thing

17:57 for making business decisions,

17:59 because they're quite different political decisions

18:01 and business decisions are quite different.

18:03 So when he endorsed us, we talked a long time about that.

18:06 For us, it's just a matter of not being complacent.

18:09 We, I only know how to get prepared for something one way,

18:12 and that's run as hard as you possibly can run.

18:15 When I was fighting professionally,

18:16 when I was competing nationally

18:18 in international in Jiu Jitsu,

18:19 or when I was wrestling at the collegiate level,

18:22 I always said that you might beat me

18:25 in the first round, first period.

18:27 But if you let me stick around the second or third,

18:30 I only have one gear and I'm going to run as hard

18:32 as I possibly can.

18:33 So we're not going to be complacent,

18:35 we're not letting our foot off the floor,

18:36 and we're going to run as hard as we possibly can

18:38 all the way to August 23rd,

18:40 not taking anything for granted.

18:41 What I am not going to do,

18:42 I'm not going to be the guy that's going to play

18:44 for me in defense.

18:45 I'm not going to be the guy that's going to do the front flip

18:47 on the three yard line and fumble the ball in the one yard line,

18:50 because I celebrate it purely.

18:52 We're going to run all the way,

18:53 and guess what, we're going to be friends.

18:54 T.W. and I are going to be friends at the end of this thing,

18:56 and he will say the same thing about me too.

18:59 I think the world of Devin and his kids,

19:02 and T.W., he's a good guy,

19:05 we just have different resumes, and that's it.

19:09 - Yeah, absolutely, and I mean,

19:10 what you're describing is kind of the Randy Couture approach

19:13 to MMA, like he was the first person to kind of weaponize pace,

19:16 and the thing about it is, is you should always prepare

19:18 as if you're going to get smoked in the first 30 seconds,

19:21 or smoke the guy in the first 30 seconds,

19:23 because all you can do is control the controllables.

19:26 Hard L. Moore, kind of a legendary wrestling coach here

19:28 in this area, I know you know Hard L.

19:29 That's what he taught me.

19:30 It's like, hey, control the controllables,

19:32 and you can control your effort,

19:34 you can't necessarily control the outcome.

19:36 And part of it, go ahead.

19:38 - I just expand on that.

19:39 Randy's a good friend of mine.

19:40 In fact, I do that what we call the Couture workout,

19:42 he introduced it to me 2004, 2005,

19:47 a long time ago when I was still fighting professionally,

19:50 and of course, it's a smoke workout.

19:52 It smokes you.

19:53 Randy's still, when he comes to DC,

19:56 or when he comes in Oklahoma,

19:57 we will still meet up and work out every morning together.

20:01 But I, you know, my mindset changed

20:06 about competition, and just tell you a little bit about me,

20:09 when I was six years old,

20:10 and all of us rasslers understand this,

20:12 especially those that rassled young,

20:14 right, when I was six years old,

20:15 I got thrown in a headlock and got put on my back.

20:18 And I thought this kid is going to kill me, right?

20:20 I mean, I thought he was going to choke me to death,

20:22 and I'm kicking a squirm and I found came out

20:24 with a great idea how to keep from dying

20:26 when I was six years old.

20:27 I was like, hey, if I pin myself,

20:29 I get out of this move.

20:30 - True.

20:31 - I kicked and squirmed,

20:33 and I was successful in pinning myself.

20:36 And I walked off the mat,

20:37 and my dad still is a tough, he's a tough guy.

20:42 He's 75 years old, and he will still get in your face.

20:45 And I walked off the mat,

20:47 and my dad always was, he was a plumber and a rancher,

20:51 and he had this uniform on,

20:52 and a big old wata keys and work boots,

20:55 and he grabbed me by the shoulders,

20:56 and I thought, I'm dead, I'm dead, my life is over.

21:00 I'm going to die anyways.

21:02 He says, don't you worry about it.

21:04 You've thought as hard as you can.

21:06 And his perception was, as I fought hard,

21:09 my perception as I knew I gave up.

21:11 And I remember laying in bed that night,

21:13 and my bed was in a, we had a lot of piano in the youngest

21:16 of seven, so my bed was actually in a hall closet,

21:19 and I was laying in my bunk slash cot,

21:22 and it was actually a built-in bunk in the hall closet,

21:27 but I was sitting there, laying there,

21:29 and I thought, I don't like this feeling inside of me.

21:32 And the determination I get right now

21:34 comes a lot from that decision that night,

21:36 because I said, I'd rather die

21:38 before I ever gave up again.

21:41 I'd rather you cut my head off,

21:42 leave it on the side of the mat

21:43 before I ever had this pit in my stomach,

21:46 this gut, this just, it's something

21:48 I can't do anything about, I hated it.

21:50 And at that point, my mind changed,

21:53 that if you're gonna beat me,

21:55 you're gonna hate the idea

21:56 that you ever have to wrestle me again,

21:58 or you're gonna hate to ever have to fight me again.

22:01 And no matter what it is,

22:02 no matter if I'm competing, or if I'm in a race like this,

22:06 I will not be someone at the end of it

22:09 to think I wish I would have done more.

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22:52 - Well, and that's the thing is we all have an inner quitter.

22:56 There's another name that you can use

22:58 for that thing that's on the inside of you.

22:59 And I've been there in a Jiu-Jitsu tournament.

23:01 I was in an absolute match going against a guy

23:03 that had 90 pounds on me, and it was sub-only,

23:05 and I accidentally pulled him into side control

23:08 'cause I'm a genius.

23:09 And at that moment, in that split second, I quit.

23:11 I'm like, I'm not gonna be able,

23:12 this guy weighs a similar amount to the moon.

23:15 I'm not gonna be able to get him out of side control.

23:17 And it wasn't until one of my teammates on the side

23:20 told me, hey, defend this where I kind of snapped out a bit,

23:23 but I've always remembered that I quit.

23:25 I ended up winning the match, but I quit.

23:27 And I'm gonna have to constantly kind of battle with that.

23:29 But let's kind of get back in.

23:30 You mentioned the Trump endorsement.

23:32 So obviously Trump had a relationship with TW

23:34 before this, he's had a relationship with you,

23:36 but he didn't endorse TW, he endorsed you.

23:38 But that does come along with his baggage

23:40 in the state of Oklahoma, not as much.

23:42 But there is this stain with Donald Trump,

23:44 no matter what you say, no one has a neutral opinion

23:46 on the man.

23:46 You either love him back at MAGA or you hate him,

23:48 he's the worst orange thing ever made, right?

23:51 So what was it like for you when you ended up

23:53 getting the Trump endorsement?

23:55 And do you, have you kind of looked forward to like,

23:57 okay, this might be a little bit of a stain

23:59 for me moving forward as well?

24:00 - No, not a sin at all, you kid me.

24:03 I love him hating, it doesn't matter to me.

24:04 The guy was great for America and you love this country.

24:07 You can have your opinion about him if you want to.

24:09 I get that we don't always like somebody's antics,

24:13 but you gotta know their heart

24:14 and I gotta know the guy's heart.

24:16 The guy loved this country.

24:18 Let me tell you, there's a reason why his kids love him.

24:20 There's a lot of very successful people out there

24:22 that have no relationship with their kids

24:24 and their kids are actually worthless human beings,

24:27 Hunter Biden, but you take somebody like Donald Trump

24:31 who has successful kids and they love him.

24:34 And then you take what happened to me and my family

24:37 and understand why the relationship

24:38 between President Trump and I are so strong.

24:40 In January of 2020, January 17th and 2020,

24:44 my son was wrestling with the tournament champions

24:46 in Newton, Kansas.

24:47 And my son, Jim, was not just good, he was really good.

24:52 He had wrestled all over the world.

24:54 He was 17 and O internationally.

24:57 He was ranked one of the best in the country at the time.

25:01 He was a freshman, it wasn't a matter of,

25:03 if he was gonna go to college,

25:05 if was he gonna skip a couple of the years

25:07 and go to the Olympic training center first

25:09 before he goes to college or was he gonna take

25:11 a college year why he was in college for the Olympics.

25:13 And so he was literally, I'm just saying it

25:16 because he's my son, he was that good.

25:18 And he's wrestling in a match and he gets hit in the head

25:23 and I'm coaching it, I'm sitting there beside the match.

25:26 And he gets hit in the head and I see the look in his face

25:28 and he walked over to him and he said,

25:30 "Dad, I don't feel good," and he collapsed.

25:33 And at that time he went to crash, he coded,

25:37 he wasn't breathing, he wasn't responding.

25:40 He had severe oxygen depletion,

25:43 of course they rushing to which tall Kansas

25:46 is the Wesley Medical Center.

25:48 For 26 hours there was no stimulation at all.

25:51 There was nothing, there was absolutely no,

25:53 I mean, you could poke him prodding, rolling, nothing.

25:56 His heartbeat was at 48 to 50 beats a minute,

25:59 but there was no stimulation at all.

26:01 And then he came to, and when he came to,

26:04 I had this world-class athlete that all of a sudden

26:07 couldn't touch his nose.

26:09 He couldn't look at his feet, he couldn't lay his feet up.

26:11 He was doing trig in high school

26:13 and now he couldn't do five plus three.

26:15 He knew who I was, but he couldn't place where he knew me.

26:18 He just recognized me.

26:20 Couldn't tell where he was, didn't know his name,

26:22 didn't know anything.

26:23 But they asked him who the president was and he said,

26:25 "Trump."

26:26 And when President Trump heard about that,

26:30 of course he got a kick out of it.

26:31 And President Trump called me tough guy a lot of times

26:34 and he says, "Let me get this straight,

26:35 let me get this straight."

26:37 You mean, he didn't know who you were,

26:39 but he knew who I was?

26:40 At that point, he took a very special interest in my son

26:43 and we went to the Center for Neural Skills

26:47 in Bakersfield, California.

26:48 And I spent all the 2020 and a lot of 2021 out there

26:51 in Bakersfield.

26:52 And my wife, she stayed home with the five kids,

26:55 but she would travel out there a lot to see me.

26:57 And then when we got Rika traveled,

26:58 we would come home as often as we could on weekends.

27:02 But Jim, he went through 12 hours of rehab,

27:05 learning how to redo everything.

27:06 I mean, he had to learn everything you could imagine.

27:09 I mean, he couldn't put a kindergarten puzzle together.

27:12 Maybe this kid that would do pull ups and push us for days

27:15 couldn't hold 20 pounds in his hands.

27:18 The kid that could do back flips

27:19 just because he wanted to, couldn't do a cartwheel.

27:22 And I mean, so he had to have a safety belt to walk.

27:25 It was a pretty difficult time for us.

27:27 But President Trump offered to pay for it.

27:30 He offered to fly us back and forth in his personal plane.

27:33 He said, and I was like, "Sir, we're good, we're okay."

27:36 And then this isn't any fanfare.

27:38 He was doing it because of his care, his love for people.

27:41 And then he said, "Well, I've got to come out to California.

27:43 "Anyway, I'll just make a stop in Bakersfield."

27:45 So he decided to come see Jim.

27:48 Yeah, I mean, here's the most powerful man in the world.

27:52 And he wants to come see my son.

27:55 Now, we had a good relationship at that time,

27:57 but we didn't, I didn't think it was like this.

28:00 And he makes a rally in Bakersfield just to come see Jim.

28:06 And in the middle of the rally, he stops

28:08 'cause he sees Jim, he sees Jim standing down there

28:11 in the crowd and he calls Jim up on the stage.

28:13 And he tells the Pete crowd what he's doing.

28:15 And then he gets down and he didn't care about what was going on.

28:17 He didn't care about the tens of thousands of people

28:19 that was there.

28:20 He got down there and he hugged my son

28:21 and he started encouraging.

28:23 Then afterwards he took us to the back

28:25 and his team's trying to rush him out,

28:26 trying to say, "Sir, we got to go, we got to go, we got to go."

28:29 And this happened three or four times.

28:30 And he turned around to him and he says,

28:32 "Hey, I guarantee you that plane won't leave without me."

28:36 And he wasn't talking to me.

28:38 He wasn't visiting with me.

28:39 He wasn't trying to impress me.

28:40 My son's growth got stunted.

28:42 So he's five foot three, this is tallest he's ever going to give.

28:44 That's what a frontal lobe injury does.

28:46 I didn't know that, but that's what happens.

28:47 And so he's a little guy and the President Trump's a big guy.

28:50 And he was bent over, sat down,

28:52 basically put Jim on his lap.

28:53 I mean, he didn't, but I mean, that's basically

28:55 how close it were.

28:56 And for the next 10 minutes, he did nothing,

28:58 but speak into my son.

29:03 It's the first memory that my son had after the injury

29:07 because my son was having a short-term memory loss.

29:10 So he could remember past, but he couldn't remember

29:13 anything present.

29:14 So he would hold on to memory sometimes for a day,

29:19 sometimes for an hour or two.

29:23 But this was about two months after the accident.

29:27 And the doctors told us, said that something's

29:30 going to trigger on him.

29:31 And then his memory will start coming back.

29:33 And that's his first full memory of--

29:38 and when things started working again.

29:39 And then after that, the President called all the time.

29:41 So people can say that they don't like his antics.

29:45 But you need to know his heart and the news and the media

29:48 out there never let you know about that guy, about that one,

29:52 about how he cared for people.

29:54 And our relationship is much deeper than that.

29:56 And if I would have pushed him and really pushed him,

29:59 he would have probably gotten involved in the primary

30:01 and the original primary without the runoff.

30:03 Because he'd say, you're my guy, you're my guy.

30:05 But he had a guy named Alex Gray, who's endorsed us.

30:07 That was running.

30:08 Alex Gray worked in his administration

30:10 all the way till the last day.

30:12 Friend of his, Scott Pruitt, who was an EPA director at TW.

30:16 And that's what this President told me.

30:17 He said, Mark, I got friends in this relationship.

30:19 I said, I were in this race.

30:21 I said, I get that.

30:22 I understand it, sir.

30:23 And so I didn't push him on it.

30:24 But after the runoff or after the primary, he came in.

30:27 He says, all right, we're going to do this.

30:28 We're going to do this.

30:29 You're my guy.

30:30 Let's do this.

30:31 So I don't consider it any baggage.

30:33 I expect-- I consider it a great honor

30:35 to have President Trump on our side.

30:37 Well, I appreciate you going into that story.

30:39 And then obviously, everyone's trying to figure out,

30:41 is he going to run again in 2024?

30:43 He already lost to Biden before January 6.

30:46 And now you got the say in January 6,

30:47 whatever you think about that.

30:48 But we've made it this long into the podcast, Mark Wayne,

30:51 without talking about co-President Biden.

30:53 I say co-President Biden because he's clearly

30:55 not running things on his own.

30:56 He's got a whole gaggle of people

30:57 that are helping keep him up right.

30:59 But we're not even halfway in two months.

31:03 Yeah, we're literally not even halfway into his first term

31:06 as president or his potentially only term as president.

31:09 And in my opinion, and in the opinions of millions

31:11 and tens of millions of Americans at this point,

31:13 his presidency has been an abject failure

31:15 on every single possible level.

31:17 He's been a failure using any metric that you want to use.

31:21 So from your perspective, obviously,

31:22 you've been in the United States House

31:24 as this has been going on.

31:26 Give us your thoughts on Joe Biden as president.

31:29 I guess you could call him.

31:30 And just on his administration

31:32 and that he's supposedly in charge of,

31:34 'cause that's the thing that people forgot.

31:36 In the 2020 election,

31:37 you weren't just voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

31:39 You're voting for a Biden administration

31:41 and a Trump administration.

31:43 And again, even if you're like a major Democratic nutswinger,

31:47 how in the world can you look at what's happening right now

31:50 and say that's better than what the previous administration

31:53 was doing?

31:53 So give us your thoughts on Joe Biden.

31:55 Well, I sat on hipsy,

31:56 which is a House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

31:59 There's only, there's very few of us.

32:00 There are only eight of us.

32:01 And so we deal with the nation's top secrets.

32:04 We deal with issues going on around the world.

32:07 And I will tell you, he's dangerous.

32:09 He's very, very dangerous.

32:11 And I will put out just this as a public statement

32:14 that we've heard.

32:15 This is public news 'cause it broke public yesterday

32:18 that you've been hearing about, if not,

32:20 you may have heard about a Taiwan and Pelosi.

32:24 Now, I'm not a Pelosi fan at all,

32:25 but Pelosi's wanting to go to Taiwan to visit,

32:28 which honestly, I support.

32:30 And China is threatening military action if she goes.

32:34 And then yesterday, during the conversation

32:37 that is openly reported,

32:38 so I'm not sharing anything classified.

32:40 And I don't know how I got leaked to be quite frank with you.

32:43 I was shocked that they actually released it.

32:45 But the president of China threatened the president

32:50 United States and says, if you do this,

32:53 you don't wanna play with Figer.

32:55 Let me just say this.

32:57 Do you think for a second

33:00 that he would have said that to President Trump?

33:03 - Zero percent chance.

33:04 There's no way.

33:05 - A weak leader is actually what we have.

33:08 An absent leader is what we have.

33:10 The world sees it.

33:12 That's why you're seeing Putin be aggressive.

33:14 And that's why you're seeing China be aggressive.

33:17 And we have a leader that is absolutely non-responsive to it.

33:21 When it's something like that leaks,

33:23 which I would assume was probably leaked by China

33:26 because I can't imagine the president

33:28 because I don't release what the president said after that,

33:31 but anyways.

33:34 - Well, 'cause what he said after that was,

33:37 has a, and then he fell asleep.

33:38 - Kind of similar, but what was said after that

33:43 is more interesting.

33:44 And we have to understand

33:49 that China is our biggest threat to us right now.

33:53 They have this thing called the Belt and Road Initiative.

33:56 And people go, okay, that's cute.

33:57 They got a Belt and Road Initiative.

33:58 They look at politics as a hundred years.

34:01 We look at politics as two years.

34:03 So they take a bigger, longer approach to things.

34:06 And understand what the Belt and Road Initiative is.

34:09 China, and by the way, they're pushing this hard

34:13 because we have a weak leader in Joe Biden.

34:15 But China's Belt and Road Initiative is this simple.

34:19 One, they build a road to circulate the globe

34:22 because they want to become the world leader.

34:24 Not because they want to be a nice guy,

34:26 it's because they want to control the world economy.

34:29 So they build a road to circulate the world.

34:33 Then they call it the Belt and Road Initiative

34:35 because a Belt has two terms in China.

34:40 One, the Belt is designed to tighten

34:43 to tighten and hold the tools secure.

34:46 Two, it's designed for a Belt.

34:49 The buckle of the Belt is designed to slap you

34:52 across the jaw to shut you up.

34:54 That is what we have to understand.

34:57 That is the definition, the two definitions

35:00 of what the Belt is and the Belt and Road Initiative.

35:03 And we have a weak president that's setting back

35:05 and watching it happen.

35:06 Ukraine, I'll share this.

35:08 This is public knowledge too.

35:10 Do you know that the war right now in Ukraine

35:13 is still happening because of President Biden?

35:16 And I'll show you the example behind it.

35:19 We were this close from negotiating a not just a ceasefire,

35:24 but negotiating a peace deal

35:28 between President Zelensky and Putin.

35:32 And Putin asked for four things.

35:34 He asked for Ukraine to become a neutral state.

35:39 You heard President Zelensky go out and say,

35:41 "We'll be a neutral state."

35:42 Do you remember that?

35:43 Said, "We'll be a neutral state."

35:45 Two, he said he wanted Crimea to be recognized

35:47 as a sovereign country or part of Russia.

35:51 Zelensky didn't publicly come out and say

35:53 he was gonna accept that, but what he did say,

35:55 he says any Russian loyalist that wanted to leave Ukraine

35:58 is welcome to go to a safe area.

36:00 So pay attention to what he said.

36:01 Safe area meant Crimea.

36:03 Crimea is already under control of Russia.

36:05 They've been under anything to control Russia

36:06 for quite some time now.

36:09 So that's not a big loss.

36:11 Three, they wanna control the ports.

36:13 Wasn't gonna happen because they get control of ports.

36:15 They get control of 25% of the food supply in that region,

36:20 plus they get control of all imports and exports,

36:22 meaning gas, oil, and petroleum,

36:25 going in and out of Europe.

36:28 So that wasn't gonna happen.

36:29 Number four is what they wanted.

36:31 They wanted the Ukrainian army to lay down their arms

36:35 and be completely zapped.

36:36 Not gonna happen, but he was gonna give him

36:38 two out of the four things he wanted.

36:40 President Biden, this is what happens

36:41 when he got a weak leader.

36:43 He goes to Europe and he says as a 42 year career politician

36:48 who has never seen, never seen, heard or smelled

36:55 the front lines in his life.

36:57 He doesn't know what battle really is.

36:59 I bet you I'd question if he's ever even been

37:01 punching the face before.

37:03 The guy goes out there and he tells the battle harden

37:06 82nd Airborne what they're gonna see

37:09 when they get in Ukraine.

37:10 We've never, Kyle, we've never discussed,

37:15 ever discussed, not one time about putting troops

37:18 into Ukraine.

37:20 And on the intelligence side, I'm over the warfighters.

37:22 I'm ranker over the warfighters.

37:24 I would know if we're discussing it.

37:26 We've never discussed about putting men and women

37:29 in uniform into Ukraine.

37:31 And President Biden's telling these individuals

37:33 that what they're gonna see when they get in Ukraine.

37:35 Immediately, we started getting phone calls

37:38 and we had to say no, no, we had a president that misspoke.

37:41 Then the next day he said that President Putin

37:44 couldn't stay in power.

37:45 Once again, never discussed, but you have a senile president

37:49 that said something that was so irrational and out of line

37:54 that all you heard was Russia and Putin heard

37:58 that were putting troops of the 82nd Airborne

38:01 to which they fear on their border with Ukraine

38:04 and he can't stay in power.

38:06 And negotiations over, we haven't even been able

38:08 to stop negotiations.

38:09 President Lindsey comes out and says,

38:12 dip diplomacy has failed, we need weapons.

38:15 So all the deaths that are happening today

38:18 is because of President Biden's weak leadership.

38:22 - Well, I think the, obviously calling him a weak leader

38:25 is, I mean, it's like calling water wet at this point

38:28 because this is a guy that people are always concerned

38:30 about the damage that can be done by a strong man.

38:32 As many people have pointed out,

38:34 it's a damage done by a weak man

38:35 that is far exceeding that of what a strong man can do.

38:39 And so there's so many more things that we could talk about,

38:41 but obviously you've got things that you got to get into,

38:43 but I do want to get granular on some topics

38:45 that are directly facing the American public.

38:47 And again, guys, we're not going to be able to dig way far in.

38:50 So if you want me to ask a follow up question

38:52 and why didn't you ask them about this?

38:53 We just don't really have the time.

38:54 I just want to kind of skate over these things

38:56 because I know us here in Oklahoma,

38:57 we're worried about a lot of these things,

38:59 but then people all over the country

39:00 are worried about these things as well.

39:02 The very first thing that's on top of mind for everybody,

39:04 it's not global warming, it's not, you know,

39:06 whether or not they're kids trans, it's the economy.

39:09 It's out of control inflation.

39:11 It's the recession that we are literally in,

39:13 no matter how you redefine words,

39:15 it's government spending, it's a national debt,

39:17 it's everything that goes into the greater macro economy.

39:21 And so from your perspective,

39:22 if you're able to get into US Senate

39:24 and I know we have to be brief, getting into the US Senate,

39:26 what are the things that you can do

39:28 and that you can advocate for

39:29 that will help us turn this economy around?

39:31 - Well, the two things you have to go over,

39:33 you have to go after our energy

39:35 because energy is the backbone of every economy.

39:38 If you want to see a third world country,

39:40 I'll show you a country that doesn't have reliable

39:42 and affordable energy.

39:43 For a strong economy,

39:44 you got to have affordable and reliable energy

39:47 and you need to be self-reliant to be able to do so

39:50 in a major stage.

39:52 And so if we're ever going to turn around inflation,

39:55 which Oklahoma is being hit disproportionately high,

39:58 nationally inflation is at a 40 year high

40:01 which is just over 9%.

40:04 If you look at Oklahoma,

40:05 Oklahoma is being hit with inflation at 14.9%.

40:09 So we're unfortunately batting way above our average

40:12 on inflation.

40:13 And so that's scary.

40:16 If we're going to bring that down,

40:18 we have to tackle the energy cost

40:21 and what's the root cause of it

40:24 because you cannot produce a product

40:27 or deliver a product without energy.

40:29 Energy is the direct increase,

40:31 the direct cost of everything.

40:33 When you have $5 a gallon diesel,

40:36 that's going to be passed on to delivery cost.

40:39 When you have to pay extra for energy to make a product,

40:42 that's going to be passed on to the retailer

40:44 and to the consumer.

40:46 So that has to happen.

40:48 So how do we do that?

40:49 First of all, we got to open the pipelines back up.

40:52 A lot of people don't realize this.

40:53 On January 20th,

40:55 the president, January 20th of 2021, Biden went put,

40:59 put back into place Biden or Obama's pipeline initiative.

41:03 And what that basically did,

41:05 it was slowly choking the ability to build a get product

41:09 for point A to point B.

41:10 And what they did is they rigged each pipeline,

41:14 not the way it was inspected,

41:16 not the way that it was permitted for,

41:18 but based on the years of service.

41:19 And they said, if it's been in year,

41:21 I'll just use examples.

41:22 It's been in service for 10 years.

41:24 You have an automatic 20% flow reduction.

41:26 Regardless that it's already passed all these

41:28 and all these safety regulations.

41:30 And regardless of the fact that they may have been

41:32 completely rebuilt,

41:34 but it's permanent in the same permit

41:36 and you got a 20% flow reduction.

41:38 When they started doing that,

41:39 they started making it harder for our product

41:41 to get to the refineries.

41:43 And so people started competing more for the price.

41:45 And that's when you started seeing

41:47 the increase immediately take place.

41:49 So you got to flow those pipelines at complete capacity.

41:53 You got to quit slow walking the permits

41:55 and you got to build infrastructure,

41:57 which is more pipelines, which is a Keystone pipeline.

42:00 And we got to be less reliant on Saudi oil and Russia oil.

42:05 If we control the market, we control the price.

42:08 Right now we're allowing Saudi Arabia

42:10 to control the price of a barrel of oil.

42:13 When we started becoming a net exporter in 2015, 2016,

42:18 you saw the price go dramatically down

42:21 because we started setting the price

42:23 and it wasn't allowing some Saudi prints

42:25 and a cartel to do that for us.

42:27 When we control our destiny, we control prices.

42:30 And so that's the first and half and second thing

42:32 we've got to go after these faceless bureaucrats.

42:34 What is a bureaucrats doing?

42:36 Why is it that we're able to rule

42:39 through executive order right now?

42:40 We're not legislating.

42:42 We're making decisions based on executive order,

42:44 which is why President Biden was able to undo

42:47 all the things that President Trump did

42:49 through executive orders.

42:50 But it was also President Trump

42:51 was able to undo everything that Obama did

42:54 through executive orders.

42:56 What started causing executive orders

42:58 to be the rule of the country?

42:59 Well, in 2005, there was a Chevron deference decision

43:02 that went through the Supreme Court.

43:06 Chevron essentially sued the EPA and asked,

43:10 if there's a difference of opinion

43:13 between a Congress and the legislation they wrote

43:16 and the rule that was put out, the rule making

43:19 that was put out by the agency,

43:21 who has final say?

43:22 And the Supreme Court at the time said

43:24 that because Congress has deferred to the agencies

43:28 as experts, they become the final say.

43:31 After that, you started seeing everything

43:33 start going through executive orders

43:35 because they could go back and re-look

43:37 at the Clean Water Act from 1972

43:39 and redefine the word "navicle bodies of water."

43:42 Congress's definition of "navicle bodies of water"

43:45 back in 1972 was where we could have

43:47 our US Coast Guard build a patrol.

43:50 That was why it was navicle.

43:51 Obama ruled it underneath intermittent streams,

43:55 meaning that anything that flew in

43:57 to eventually navicle bodies of water

43:59 became ruled a federal water.

44:00 They was no longer personally owned,

44:02 it was federal water.

44:03 That's how far it goes.

44:04 So if we're gonna change the way we're doing this

44:07 to executive orders and could allow these presidents

44:09 to be able to go in and change our economy

44:12 literally by an executive order,

44:13 then we gotta take that power back from those agencies,

44:17 which means that we gotta have the court re-rule on that,

44:19 and then we gotta pass legislation to redefine that

44:21 so we can bring stability back in our country.

44:24 - Yeah, I appreciate you going into that level of detail.

44:26 It's a very, very complicated subject,

44:27 but there are some things that we can do almost immediately

44:29 to help curb a lot of things that we're seeing.

44:31 The next thing that I think is on the top of mind

44:34 for a lot of local homins, especially to our neighbors

44:36 down there to south is illegal immigration.

44:38 So we literally have a wide open southern border.

44:41 It is funny that whenever you see illegal immigrants

44:43 being bused to states like New York and Washington DC,

44:45 all of a sudden Mayor Bowser and all of a sudden Mayor Adams

44:50 or whatever, they're all, they're freaking out.

44:52 They're all saying like, oh, what are we gonna do

44:53 with all this influx of people

44:55 that people in like Oklahoma and Texas have been dealing

44:57 with the social services and the strain and drain

45:00 on their local populuses because of this illegal

45:02 immigration crisis.

45:03 And I stopped short of saying that it's an invasion,

45:05 but it's starting to feel that way

45:07 whenever we literally have the Biden administration

45:09 flying these people in the middle of the night

45:10 and basically seeding them all over the country.

45:13 And again, I believe as you do that all these people

45:16 had the image of God, but if written on them,

45:18 they had the Amago Day, they should be valued,

45:21 but saying that they should just be able to walk

45:23 into the country and saying that we don't have a border.

45:26 That's saying you don't have a country

45:28 because if you don't have walls, you don't have a house.

45:30 If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.

45:31 So from your perspective, again, we've seen the build

45:34 the wall thing, we've seen all these other things

45:35 and then we've seen basically none of that happen

45:38 during the Biden administration and that's by design.

45:40 But if you enter into the United States Senate,

45:42 what are some things that you could do to help

45:44 curb illegal immigration, which is a massive, massive issue,

45:47 even for national security?

45:48 - So let's go back to what you said about

45:51 we're all created in God's image.

45:52 They all love by God, they're all embrace of God, right?

45:55 But Jesus Christ also said that you're supposed to obey

45:57 the law of the land of government.

45:59 I mean, he said that, Jesus Christ said that.

46:00 In fact, he was telling us apostles that,

46:02 that when you're going forth and you're gonna go in there,

46:04 make sure you obey those laws of that government body.

46:09 And so we gotta understand that they are breaking the law

46:12 when they come in here.

46:13 So that you can have, you can't have both.

46:16 So there is rules of law and we are a, we're a,

46:19 we're not a lawless country, we're a nation of laws,

46:21 which separate says from a third world country,

46:23 which is why a lot of people wanna come here,

46:25 which is why the Hispanic vote is flipped on the Democrats

46:28 because they wanted to leave a country

46:30 that was a lawless country and come to the United States.

46:32 But the Democrats right now, they're not even discussing

46:35 amnesty, remember, anymore.

46:36 They're not doing that.

46:37 They want complete and open border.

46:39 But we gotta take this farther and realize that

46:41 the border crisis is exactly what that is,

46:44 but what is the biggest threat to the United States?

46:46 Yes, the overpopulation is coming in,

46:50 but we have to redo and we have to reassess

46:54 the way we have our immigration policies

46:56 because if we have a system so complicated

46:58 and so difficult that you can dig a tunnel faster,

47:02 you can go through the proper process,

47:03 you encourage illegal activity.

47:06 That's why too many laws create law breakers.

47:09 You gotta have common sense laws that are put in place

47:12 that will allow law abiding citizens

47:14 that wanna come here and live underneath our law

47:16 because they want the opportunity that America brings

47:18 to build a come in legally

47:20 and that we can focus on the bad actors.

47:23 But we have to attack this in multiple different ways.

47:25 One, we gotta attack the national security risk.

47:28 We have a huge, huge, huge national security risk.

47:31 Over 60 individuals that were wanted on the terrorist

47:36 watch list has been apprehended in just the last year

47:40 on our southern border.

47:41 That's how many have we left go through?

47:44 60, so it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when,

47:46 when something bad happens.

47:48 This is a national security risk.

47:50 If nothing else, we have to stop that.

47:53 And then the fentanyl crisis is coming in.

47:56 What is, and people need to go deeper

47:58 than just youse affecting our streets

48:00 and we're losing loved ones because of it,

48:01 because we all have someone in our lives that we love

48:04 that have probably had some type of addiction issue.

48:06 I mean, if we think about it, some are really close.

48:10 Some are really close.

48:11 I mean, we have it personally in our family

48:13 from a couple of animals.

48:15 This is, this is, that hits home.

48:19 But where's a fentanyl coming from?

48:21 The fentanyl is coming directly from China.

48:23 China is the number one supplier of fentanyl

48:26 that is moving up into the United States.

48:28 Why is China interested in dumping fentanyl

48:31 into the United States?

48:34 Because they're trying to break down

48:35 the moral fabric of this country.

48:37 Because they know if they can break

48:39 the moral fabric of this country,

48:42 that they can slowly, methodically,

48:44 take over the United States without firing a shot.

48:46 Remember, they're not thinking two years or four years

48:49 or thinking a hundred years at a time.

48:51 And the best way that they see how to break a family unit up

48:56 is just historically look what happens to families

48:59 when they leave, when they lose a child.

49:02 What happens is most of the time the parents end up

49:04 getting divorced and the family falls apart.

49:06 Because it's so devastating that the parents can't get over it.

49:09 It's not that they blame each other,

49:10 they just grow apart from each other.

49:13 And this is killing young people faster than ever.

49:16 And they understand that.

49:18 And all you have to do is look into it.

49:21 So it's a huge national security issue that we're having.

49:24 And they're using the illegal crossing

49:27 as a distraction to allow them to get the drugs

49:31 through in record numbers.

49:33 The Democrats see this.

49:35 They know this.

49:36 They set not in exactly the same intel briefings that I do

49:39 because there's only a few of us that set those.

49:42 But they get a top secret, which is a TS level.

49:44 There's much levels above TS.

49:47 But they get a top secret.

49:48 Every member of Congress, in the House or the Senate,

49:51 gets a TS briefing on this.

49:53 And they get this level of briefing

49:54 'cause this isn't even classified that I'm showing you.

49:56 It's not even sensitive.

49:57 I'm sharing you open source information.

49:59 They know this exact same stuff, Kyle,

50:01 and they choose to do nothing with it.

50:03 So in the Senate, when we get control of the House

50:06 and we get control of the Senate as Republicans,

50:09 this will become a major issue.

50:11 And we're gonna put the president in a very tough spot

50:15 on trying to explain why he's not willing to secure

50:18 the border because we're gonna put legislation on his desk

50:22 that he's gonna either have to veto or sign.

50:25 And if he vetoes, unfortunately,

50:27 we won't have the super majority to overrule it,

50:29 but he'll put him in a bad spot

50:31 why he has to explain that to the American people.

50:33 I don't think he'll do it.

50:34 I think he'll sign it because he knows

50:35 the national security risks that's happening there.

50:37 - Well, it's something that should be talked about

50:39 every single day on the news,

50:40 but there's plenty of distractions for a lot of people.

50:42 And I remember when Senator Langford

50:45 from the state of Oklahoma,

50:46 whenever he got up in front of the Senate

50:48 and he basically said, "Look, we've apprehended somebody

50:50 "at the border from every single country in the globe,

50:53 "all of them since the beginning of the Biden administration."

50:56 And like, that includes all of our enemies.

50:58 And that's just the people that we've apprehended.

51:00 You mentioned the 60 people that were on the terror watch list.

51:03 Those are the ones we knew about.

51:05 Not to say the other people that have come in

51:07 and created their own terrorist cells

51:08 that who knows what's gonna happen with those long-term.

51:11 The next thing, and maybe those will be the last thing

51:13 in terms of the policy things that we'll look at.

51:16 - Well, yes, we'll have everyone.

51:17 - Yeah, so, wokeness, right?

51:20 That's more of a philosophy as opposed to,

51:23 what about this policy on wokeness?

51:25 But we're seeing this in K through 12 schools.

51:27 We'll seeing it with critical race theory

51:29 and gender theory and those things.

51:30 We're obviously seeing it in universities

51:32 where most of this started.

51:33 But then we're seeing it in big business.

51:35 We're seeing it in the military.

51:37 We see a military that seems to be more concerned

51:40 about diversity, equity and inclusion

51:42 as opposed to lethality.

51:43 Like we're here to kill people and break stuff.

51:45 That's what the United States military

51:47 should be focused on, right?

51:48 Obviously we see it with big tech.

51:50 But as a United States Senator,

51:51 what are some things that you can see

51:53 that could be done to help curb a lot of this?

51:55 'Cause I know it's a tremendous concern

51:57 for a lot of parents while they have their kids

51:59 in the household.

52:00 But then whenever they're sending their kids

52:01 into the world being like,

52:03 man, my kid really wanted to be an Army Ranger

52:06 or a man, he really wanted to go SF

52:07 or he really wanted to be a SEAL.

52:08 But now he's worried about whether or not

52:10 he's diverse enough to even get through the screening,

52:13 which should not be as concerned.

52:14 His concern should be whether or not

52:16 he has the stones to make it through.

52:17 You know what I mean?

52:18 So talk to me a little bit about wokeness.

52:20 - By the way, I appreciate you making a difference

52:22 between SF and Special Forces Greenberry

52:25 and an operator with the Navy SEAL.

52:27 I appreciate that.

52:28 - Yeah.

52:29 - From either the sorts of these guys,

52:30 I appreciate the definition difference.

52:32 - So.

52:33 - Most people don't get that by the way.

52:34 - Right.

52:34 - So let's talk about what government can do and can't do.

52:38 First of all, we got to be very, very careful

52:41 that we don't look to Washington DC to solve our issues.

52:43 We got to big government because everybody

52:46 wants Washington DC to solve their issues.

52:49 We got to realize that a lot of this stuff is local.

52:52 And we want to keep most politics as local

52:54 as single-layered as possible.

52:57 And so let's talk about what we can do.

52:59 We can combat this equality, neutrality,

53:04 all-inclusive first agenda in DoD,

53:08 Department of Defense, which instead of them

53:10 trying to recruit and hire the best,

53:12 they're more interested in promoting

53:14 and recruiting diversity.

53:16 That's not what we do.

53:19 We want to give everybody equal opportunity,

53:21 but at the end of the day,

53:23 the cream's going to rise to the top.

53:25 And so you want the best in some of these

53:27 most elite positions, not based on anything else,

53:30 but your performance.

53:32 Full stop.

53:33 When you start looking about what happens

53:35 in our intelligence community, once again,

53:38 this Biden administration is more focused

53:40 on equality and inclusion than they are

53:45 about putting the right people in the places.

53:47 And you see that with his own cabinet.

53:50 I mean, think about this.

53:51 Who do we have running HHS?

53:54 Are you freaking kidding me?

53:56 Who do you have running the transportation?

53:58 Buttigieg, where is his resume that says

54:01 that he's capable of doing this?

54:03 Because he ran a small town as a mayor.

54:06 I mean, where is it that you get this?

54:08 Look at our department of our secretary of energy.

54:12 It's just, they don't look at that.

54:14 They look at it from, in business,

54:16 I hired the best person for the job period.

54:19 I didn't care if you're Republican or even Democrat.

54:21 When I hired you, I didn't ask,

54:23 'cause there's a business owner, I can't even ask that.

54:25 In politics, you can, but in the real world, you can't.

54:29 But I hired the best person for the position.

54:31 That's how we need to address it.

54:33 But now we start talking about schools and universities.

54:36 Who's choosing who goes on those school boards?

54:39 Who's choosing who's gonna allow those corporations

54:42 to do business in our town?

54:43 Who's choosing to be on the board of regent?

54:45 That's not the federal government that's doing that.

54:48 That's our governor that's deciding who's gonna be

54:50 on the board of regents to the universities

54:51 that's inside our state.

54:53 That's the people, the town people are deciding

54:58 who they're gonna vote for to run for their city council.

55:01 And it's the people that have investments inside that school,

55:05 which is people that's paying property taxes

55:08 and have kids that go to that school,

55:09 that's voting on the school board members.

55:11 We have to take back those positions.

55:13 We have to go back and fight it at the base level

55:16 because they did.

55:18 Jerry Polis who took over Colorado,

55:20 which was a red state like Oklahoma,

55:22 he literally wrote the book on how to turn a state

55:25 from red to blue and he discussed it

55:28 by taking over city council races, school board races,

55:31 local races and putting the people in place

55:34 and then graduate them up to higher offices.

55:38 We have to take back our local community.

55:40 And that means it's not okay for any of us to set back

55:44 and not be involved at this point.

55:46 People say, well, I don't have the time to do it.

55:48 Okay, do you have the resources?

55:50 Do you have the finances or do you have the time

55:52 to go knock doors?

55:54 Because I can tell you, I got involved in politics

55:57 when I realized that that was the biggest threat

55:58 to my businesses.

55:59 I wasn't looking for anything to do.

56:01 Granted, I only had three kids then.

56:03 I have six kids now, three that came natural

56:06 and three that we chose.

56:07 So basically what I say by that is three biological

56:10 and three adopted.

56:11 But when I first got in office, I had three kids.

56:13 I was coaching all their stuff, football, baseball

56:16 and all wrestling and even had a jujitsu gym

56:18 and it was training fighters.

56:20 I had multiple companies at the time

56:23 employing hundreds of people across the state of Oklahoma.

56:26 I wasn't looking for anything else to do.

56:28 I was busy.

56:29 But as I said before, you're not gonna change anything

56:34 you're willing to tolerate.

56:36 And I wasn't willing to tolerate it anymore.

56:40 I got fed up and I went to my very first political event

56:45 and stood up, I didn't own a tie, didn't own a suit.

56:48 And I stood up and said, I'm running for Congress

56:50 because I got fed up.

56:51 People need to stand up and take back their community.

56:54 If we're gonna fight wokeism, it starts at home.

56:57 - Well, that's the thing is we're so distracted

56:59 by the shiny object and the shiny object

57:00 is the federal government and what's going on there.

57:02 And out of undaunted life, we're here to equipment

57:04 to push back darkness.

57:06 And sometimes that can happen on a school board.

57:07 Sometimes that can happen on the city council,

57:09 but a lot of men are not equipped with the right tools,

57:13 the right knowledge to be able to go to the school board

57:14 and say, hey, not only do I not like critical race theory,

57:18 I know what it's called.

57:19 I know where it comes from.

57:21 I know that it comes from critical legal studies

57:23 and critical theory.

57:24 I know that it comes from the Frankfurt school.

57:26 I know that it comes from Karl Marx's butthole.

57:28 I know exactly where this theology comes from

57:30 and we need to eradicate it.

57:32 Now I'm looking at the clock.

57:32 I know we're a little bit pastime.

57:34 Can I lobby you for about 10 more minutes?

57:35 Are we able to stick in?

57:36 - Yeah, let me talk about that knowledge.

57:38 - Yeah, go for it.

57:39 - I didn't know anything about politics either.

57:41 I didn't know who Speaker Boehner was.

57:43 I didn't know who Nancy Pelosi was.

57:44 I never even watched Fox News.

57:47 I didn't know anything about it,

57:50 but I knew I was frustrated

57:51 and you don't have to be an expert on the issues

57:54 that you're upset about.

57:56 You just had to be passionate about it

57:58 and why it's affecting you.

57:59 You are your only expert.

58:01 Don't get into the weeds about this and that.

58:04 If you don't know about it,

58:05 explain why you're upset and why it's affecting you

58:09 and why you're wanting to do something about it.

58:10 Become an expert in your own world

58:12 because it's your life experiences that drove you there.

58:15 So don't worry about anything else.

58:16 It's your passion that's gonna make you successful.

58:19 - Yeah, guys, just take one bite at a time.

58:21 Like you literally don't have to be an expert in philosophy

58:23 to be able to explain why Karl Marx is a dumb dumb.

58:26 Like that's not something that you're gonna have to do.

58:28 You probably should read the Communist Manifesto.

58:30 It's probably something that you should understand.

58:31 Now, a center point of your fate

58:33 taking a little bit of a left turn here,

58:35 even though it's come up a couple of times already,

58:37 is your Christian faith.

58:38 That's a center point of your campaign also with TW's campaign,

58:41 which is good to see for me as an Oklahoman,

58:43 that one of you guys will be representing us.

58:45 But tell us why that's so important for you in this job

58:49 that you're applying for to be a United States Senator,

58:51 because a lot of people would much rather you not be a Christian

58:53 if you're gonna serve in politics, go.

58:55 - Well, I don't know how you separate those.

58:56 Listen, I was raised in church my whole life,

58:58 but I didn't get saved until I was 20 years old.

59:02 I got married when I was 19, my wife was 18.

59:04 We went out one night, right after we got married,

59:06 and like I did and most wrestlers did,

59:09 we got in trouble that night.

59:11 We call it fun, but we got in trouble that night.

59:14 And my wife basically looked at me, she says,

59:17 "I'm not living this way."

59:19 And because my parents insisted on me going to church,

59:22 I had this, you know, this seed

59:26 that was already planted inside of me.

59:28 And I thought, I don't wanna live this way either.

59:29 I didn't like the way my wife looked at me.

59:31 And I went to an Assemblies of God,

59:34 Woodland Park as some as a God at that time

59:36 at 61st and Mingo is moved now.

59:39 It's called Hope, Hope.

59:42 Assemblies I think now.

59:43 But I went there and I gave my heart the Lord

59:45 in August of 97.

59:47 And I had a bad temper.

59:49 I had a bad mouth.

59:51 I had, I was not perfect whatsoever.

59:54 And nor am I now either.

59:55 I pray every night before I go to bed,

59:57 Lord forgive me and I wake up and I ask Lord forgive me

1:00:00 'cause I know I'm just one mistake away

1:00:02 but from being exposed to the hypocrite that I am.

1:00:05 But because of my faith,

1:00:06 because of my relationship with the Lord,

1:00:08 I'm able to set priorities.

1:00:10 And my priorities are God, family and then you.

1:00:13 And the reason why I set those is because

1:00:15 if those first two are out of line,

1:00:18 then I can't be successful in doing what I'm asking

1:00:21 the American people in the state of Oklahoma to vote for me.

1:00:24 Or anything in my life.

1:00:25 In your business and in whatever career you're in,

1:00:30 you can't be fully 100% committed

1:00:32 and at your fullest potential

1:00:34 if you're not right with the Lord

1:00:35 because you're living in a life of regret

1:00:37 if you're not living for the Lord.

1:00:39 There's things every day you're gonna regret

1:00:41 and you're gonna be dealing with things

1:00:43 that you shouldn't be dealing with

1:00:44 if you had to love a Christ in your heart.

1:00:47 And then if you're not doing that,

1:00:50 you're probably not gonna be as successful

1:00:51 and you're family either.

1:00:53 So there's gonna be turmoil at home.

1:00:54 And my worst day in my life is when my wife's mad at me.

1:00:57 I apologize for things all the time that I didn't do.

1:01:00 Or maybe I did, but then I was right on.

1:01:03 I know I was right, but I still apologize

1:01:05 because I just wanna end the argument

1:01:07 because I wanna be good at what I'm doing that day

1:01:10 and I wanna love her.

1:01:11 I wanna love my kids.

1:01:13 I wanna be at my best.

1:01:14 And so your priorities are set

1:01:15 and my priorities are God, family, and then everybody else.

1:01:20 And I'm able to achieve at a much higher level because of that.

1:01:23 But when someone says that you shouldn't be a Christian

1:01:26 or faith doesn't come into your decision-making,

1:01:29 what are you talking about?

1:01:30 I wake up every single morning and say,

1:01:31 "Love the people, love the call."

1:01:32 I serve because I get to serve,

1:01:34 because I truly love the people.

1:01:36 And yes, I'm gonna make decisions based on my faith.

1:01:39 You can't separate the two.

1:01:41 It's like people saying that there's business ethics

1:01:43 and there's personal ethics.

1:01:44 No, there's not, it's ethics.

1:01:46 And anybody that tells you there's business ethics

1:01:48 and there's personal ethics,

1:01:49 don't do business to that person

1:01:51 because they're gonna burn you

1:01:52 because all they're doing is justifying their actions.

1:01:54 So of course, I'm gonna make decisions

1:01:56 because of my faith.

1:01:57 As I said, we all make decisions based

1:01:59 on how we're raised and our personal experiences

1:02:02 or life experiences.

1:02:04 And so it's who I am and I can't separate those

1:02:06 and I'm proud of it.

1:02:07 - Well, I think that's an important thing

1:02:09 I've heard the politicians say before.

1:02:10 It's like, okay, hey, a constituent will say,

1:02:12 "Hey, I'm an atheist.

1:02:13 I'm concerned that you're a follower of Christ

1:02:16 or a Christian or whatever you call it."

1:02:17 But then whenever they respond and say,

1:02:19 "You better hope that I legislate and I operate

1:02:22 as if that's real."

1:02:23 Because every single worldview has to answer four questions

1:02:26 origin, meaning, morality, destiny, origin.

1:02:28 Why are we here?

1:02:29 Meaning, what's the meaning of life?

1:02:31 Morality, what's the difference between good and evil?

1:02:33 Destiny, where do we go when we die?

1:02:34 And I happen to believe that Christianity answers

1:02:36 all those questions in the best way possible.

1:02:38 But also, we all live by a moral code,

1:02:41 whether, but the thing is,

1:02:42 is somebody that doesn't have a Christian worldview,

1:02:44 they think we're a highly evolved chimp

1:02:46 that used to be a highly evolved fish,

1:02:47 that used to be highly evolved goo.

1:02:49 Like that's something that they can't get.

1:02:50 We can extrapolate out from your worldview,

1:02:53 any type of aughts.

1:02:54 You ought not do this, you ought to do that.

1:02:56 But I'm not gonna, I don't wanna get into a sermon here.

1:02:58 Again, I'm looking at the clock.

1:02:59 How are you doing time wise?

1:03:00 Do we still have a little bit of time?

1:03:01 - I'm a good brother.

1:03:02 - Okay.

1:03:03 I do wanna get into kind of a rapid fire section here,

1:03:06 because it's great to get in deep

1:03:07 in a lot of these different subject matters.

1:03:09 But I have a segment that I like to do called,

1:03:11 what would you say to someone that said?

1:03:13 And so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna say,

1:03:14 what would you say to someone that said?

1:03:16 I'm gonna fill in the blank.

1:03:17 - It's interesting.

1:03:18 - Yeah, but here's the thing.

1:03:19 You have 30 seconds maximum.

1:03:21 I don't have a buzzer around here,

1:03:22 but I will just start yelling, I'm a ginger, I yell anyway.

1:03:25 But you have 30 seconds, regardless of what I say,

1:03:27 to give me your response.

1:03:28 So yup for it. - All right.

1:03:30 Yeah.

1:03:31 - All right, let's get it, first one here.

1:03:32 What would you say to someone that said,

1:03:34 I hate the United States of America?

1:03:36 - Move.

1:03:38 - You know what's funny about that?

1:03:40 You gave me the exact same one word answer

1:03:42 as your opponent here in a few weeks.

1:03:44 Wait, which I agree with the both of you,

1:03:46 but let's get into the next one here.

1:03:47 What would you say to someone that said,

1:03:49 all Republicans are racist?

1:03:52 They don't know me.

1:03:53 And I'd sit down and talk to 'em about it.

1:03:55 And I'd say, why are you saying that?

1:03:56 Where you come up with that?

1:03:57 You're making a judgment based on what?

1:04:00 You're almost being racist towards me because of that,

1:04:02 because racism is defined by judging someone,

1:04:06 not because of their qualities,

1:04:07 because of their either race or their affiliation.

1:04:10 And so I would simply try to educate the individual.

1:04:14 I wouldn't hate 'em,

1:04:15 but I'd wanna sit down and have a conversation with 'em,

1:04:17 not with anger, but with love.

1:04:19 - Yeah, that's what prejudice is.

1:04:20 It's prejudging someone based on their immutable characteristics.

1:04:23 Next one here, what would you say to someone that said,

1:04:26 there's no way I could ever support Donald Trump for president?

1:04:29 - Get to knowing, why?

1:04:31 I can share the story about their heart

1:04:33 and about the man that I see.

1:04:35 You may not like his rhetoric,

1:04:36 but you cannot deny his love for the country.

1:04:40 He fought for this country every step of the way.

1:04:44 - He certainly did, next one here.

1:04:45 What would you say to someone that said,

1:04:47 I do not think Mark Wayne Mullen will be a good Senator.

1:04:51 - Well, I guess they're open to their opinion,

1:04:53 but I'd sure like to get an opportunity to earn their respect.

1:04:56 I can't make everybody love me or like me, I get that.

1:05:00 But I want you to know that I respect you,

1:05:02 respect your opinion and hopefully at the end of the day,

1:05:05 I can earn that respect from you,

1:05:07 because I don't expect you to give it to me,

1:05:08 I have to earn it every day.

1:05:10 - And that's why you're campaigning every day.

1:05:11 What would you say to someone that said,

1:05:13 we should keep God out of politics?

1:05:15 - Absolutely not as impossible.

1:05:17 If you go to the House floor right now,

1:05:19 the only face that faces forward,

1:05:20 there's a bunch of half faces that surround the health floor.

1:05:23 There's only one that faces forward.

1:05:24 It's because of Moses.

1:05:25 What does Moses contribute to us?

1:05:28 We'll go back and look at the judicial branch

1:05:30 and what Moses' father-in-law said to him

1:05:32 about how to set up people to come to him with complaints.

1:05:35 Our judicial branch is arguably the checks and balances

1:05:37 to our bill of rights and our constitution.

1:05:39 It's a moral fabric also of our country

1:05:42 and you cannot have a republic

1:05:43 and democracy like the United States without morality.

1:05:47 - Well, we've canceled everybody else after they died.

1:05:49 We might as well do the same to Moses.

1:05:50 I'm sure they'll go after him before too long.

1:05:52 All right, next one here.

1:05:53 What would you say to someone that said,

1:05:54 I'm a lifelong Democrat,

1:05:56 but I'm fed up with what's happening in my country?

1:05:58 - That's great.

1:06:01 Being fed up means you're gonna get involved.

1:06:03 There's nothing wrong with being a lifelong Democrat.

1:06:05 There's nothing wrong with being affiliated with a party,

1:06:08 but read the platform and ask me after you read it,

1:06:12 what that platform said to you.

1:06:14 Does it line up with your policies

1:06:17 and who you believe today because the National Democrat

1:06:19 platform, I bet you doesn't line up with what you think

1:06:23 it does today that it did when JFK was in office?

1:06:27 - And that's just generally good advice.

1:06:28 If you purport to be a part of a party,

1:06:30 you should probably know their platform

1:06:31 'cause there are some people that are Democrats

1:06:33 that don't realize Democrat support murdering babies

1:06:36 up until the day of birth and into the perinatal period, right?

1:06:38 So there's just-

1:06:39 - Hey, listen, I had a pastor, a good pastor friend of mine

1:06:42 who his dad actually married my wife and I

1:06:44 when we were 19 and 18 years old.

1:06:46 He was a lifelong Democrat and I gave him the platform

1:06:48 and I said read it in the bell and let me know

1:06:50 if this lines up with you and he came back three days later

1:06:53 and he says, all right, I switched,

1:06:54 but don't tell my daddy.

1:06:55 - Yeah, exactly.

1:06:56 All right, I got a couple more here for you.

1:06:57 What would you say to someone that said,

1:06:59 the United States' place as the dominant world power

1:07:02 will soon be at an end?

1:07:04 - No way, not under my watch.

1:07:05 We're gonna fight this every step of the way.

1:07:07 I'm not okay with giving up at this point.

1:07:09 We have to because we are, as Ronald Reagan said,

1:07:12 the shining city on the hill.

1:07:15 And that is because people look to us.

1:07:17 They want to come to us.

1:07:19 We have people immigrating towards us

1:07:21 because they believe in the American dream

1:07:23 and they have hope that we will be there

1:07:25 when in the time of need.

1:07:26 And so we're not gonna give up.

1:07:28 We're not gonna lose this to China 'cause we can't.

1:07:30 We're fighting for us and the generations

1:07:33 coming ahead of us and failure's not an option.

1:07:36 - It certainly is not.

1:07:37 All right, what would you say to someone that said,

1:07:39 T.W. Shannon has my vote.

1:07:40 - Oh, I get it.

1:07:43 He's a good guy.

1:07:45 - Okay, we can leave it there.

1:07:47 But we'll leave it with one last question.

1:07:49 So this will be how we wrap up today.

1:07:51 This is the big question, right?

1:07:53 So we made it an hour in, but this is the big question.

1:07:55 The only question that my audience

1:07:57 really needs an answer to.

1:07:58 And that's on August the 23rd,

1:08:00 why should Oakies vote for you over T.W. Shannon?

1:08:03 - As I said, T.W. is a good guy.

1:08:06 We have different resumes.

1:08:07 And so it comes down to what type of person

1:08:09 you want to represent you.

1:08:10 And this is no slate at T.W.

1:08:13 But our backgrounds are quite different.

1:08:18 Politics hasn't been part of my life.

1:08:20 And when T.W. was in law school,

1:08:24 I was building my first business.

1:08:27 When he first got elected to the house,

1:08:29 I was buying and growing our companies.

1:08:34 When he was Speaker of the House,

1:08:35 I was fighting the EPA, the Department of Labor,

1:08:37 the EPA and everything else in Obamacare

1:08:40 that was infecting our companies.

1:08:43 We make decisions based on two things,

1:08:45 our life experiences and the way we're raised.

1:08:49 Our life experience has been different.

1:08:51 And when push comes a shove,

1:08:52 we're gonna agree on 95 or 99% of the issues.

1:08:56 But when you really have to make a hard decision,

1:08:59 what are you gonna refer to?

1:09:00 Are you gonna refer to your political background

1:09:02 or your business background?

1:09:04 'Cause if you're making political decisions,

1:09:06 I'll argue to say we got plenty of people

1:09:08 in Washington DC making political decisions.

1:09:11 Well, we don't have enough people making business decisions

1:09:14 'cause if they were making business decisions,

1:09:15 we wouldn't be $30 trillion in debt.

1:09:17 - That's true.

1:09:19 Well, Mark Wayne, that's all for me.

1:09:20 Is there anything else you wanna get off your chest?

1:09:22 - No, I'm good.

1:09:22 I'm really good.

1:09:23 And I want people to understand what I just said

1:09:25 is not a hit at T.W.

1:09:28 I like the guy.

1:09:29 We are friends, but that's the difference between it.

1:09:32 And I wasn't gonna bring it up, but you asked

1:09:34 and I really hate even saying that

1:09:36 because I don't wanna do anything to damage that guy.

1:09:39 We will be friends when this thing is all said and done.

1:09:42 - But it is a campaign.

1:09:43 People need to know what differences there are

1:09:45 because you don't wanna necessarily be flipping a coin.

1:09:47 You do wanna make a conscious decision.

1:09:48 So I feel like you laid it out as fairly as you could.

1:09:50 But Mark Wayne Mullen,

1:09:51 thank you for coming on Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.

1:09:54 - Thank you, sir.

1:09:55 - There you go, guys.

1:09:56 I hope you enjoyed my time with Mark Wayne Mullen

1:09:58 who's a United States Senate candidate.

1:10:00 But before we let you go,

1:10:00 we are gonna do a quick resilience boost.

1:10:02 Add on Daunted Life, our mission is equipping men

1:10:04 to push back darkness with content

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1:10:08 So just like with TW, I have one link for you

1:10:10 and that is the link to Mark Wayne for Senate.

1:10:12 So you can go to his Senate website to check him out.

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