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- This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right guys, today I've got a special return guest
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on the podcast.
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His name is Mark Wayne Mullen.
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So he has been on this podcast a whole lot lately.
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And for good reason, because he is making his final push
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to become a member of the United States Senate.
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So he is running to represent the state of Oklahoma
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as one of his two senators.
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So he defeated his runoff opponent, T.W. Shannon,
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back in August after garnering about 66% of the vote.
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He came on episode 340 of this podcast
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and he came on a couple of weeks ago.
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I can't remember the episode number,
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but he's talking a lot about what is concerning
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to Americans that are voting in this election cycle.
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Because guys, if you're listening to this on time,
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we are less than three weeks away
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from the midterm elections.
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He's currently in Congress.
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He's a United States House of Representatives member,
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representing the second congressional district of Oklahoma,
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but he's not just that.
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He's also a businessman.
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He runs Mullen Ranch in other businesses.
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He also is a former MMA fighter, so we love that.
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So he's three and oh, he's not afraid
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to get a little bit crazy on the maths.
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But in this particular episode, again,
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this is his final push, right?
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So at the end, he's going to give his final plea
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to the voters of Oklahoma as to why they should pull the lever
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for him on November the 8th.
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But we talk about what he thinks about his race
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and how he's very excited to basically sprint
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through the finish line.
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Again, he breaks down why he thinks the GOP is not
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just going to take the house, but also the Senate.
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But then we dig into inflation.
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So that's the number one thing on everybody's minds right now,
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especially when you go to the grocery store
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and when you're buying just about anything,
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the prices don't even make sense.
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I mean, every time you go to the grocery store,
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it is just absolutely flummoxing what you're looking at
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and the types of things you're having to deal with
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in your families.
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And a lot of people that listen to this show,
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maybe you've got a good amount of money
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and this doesn't bother you.
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But the overwhelming majority of people in America,
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they are really, really hurting right now.
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That's why I ask him, hey, if the GOP does take over
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the house and the Senate, what can you actually do
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with the Biden administration running the White House
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and running the Fed and running all the different things
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that they do?
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What can you do?
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So I really liked the detail he got into
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on that particular question.
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But then also I asked him about something
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'cause maybe you don't know this about Mark Wayne Mullen,
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but he is like really, really good friends
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with Tulsi Gabbard.
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He actually called Tulsi his sister.
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Like that's how they consider each other.
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And again, last week, if you're listening this on time,
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that's only one could talk about was the fact
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that Tulsi Gabbard left the Democratic Party.
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And she did so by posting this video online
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and then she went on Joe Rogan
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and she went on Tucker Carlson show
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and all these different things,
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basically explaining why she's leaving the Democratic Party.
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So he has a little bit of knowledge
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that people maybe didn't know that this was coming for a while.
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And so he gave us some insight on some of the conversations
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that they've been having.
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We're so excited to have him on the show.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Mark Wayne Mullen, welcome back
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to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Thanks for having me on, man.
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Your beard looks sharp.
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I mean, you look all trimmed and good.
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And I'm just like, wow, I need to go to the barber or something.
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- Here's the thing.
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I was gonna make this my last question of the day
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because I needed to deflect some of the attention off
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of my fantastic beard back to you for a little bit, okay?
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'Cause this was gonna be my last question of the day,
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but I'm going to blow it up and I'm gonna ask you now.
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If you are elected to the United States Senate,
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will you keep the beard?
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Because I feel like some guys, they're like,
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oh, you know, I'm in the Senate now.
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And you know, maybe I'll try the beard for a little bit
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and get rid of it like what Ted Cruz did
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or something like that.
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Because I gotta be honest with you,
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if you're not keeping the beard,
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I'm gonna at least have some hesitation
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when I go in the booth on November 8th.
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- Well, I gotta tell you,
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Ted Cruz's beard looked awful.
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First of all, he couldn't grow a beard, so.
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- It wasn't the best.
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- You can't compare it though.
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I would already shave my beard if it wasn't for my life.
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Okay, beard is a lot of work.
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I grew it up because, man, I'm tired of shaving.
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My little Lord, shaving takes three minutes.
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Screaming the beard up is forever.
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And so, as soon as my wife tells me she wants it gone,
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it's gone, but it's been five years, six years?
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Maybe seven years.
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I think it's been seven years, six years, at least.
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Since I came back from overseas and I shamed it.
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And it was pretty bushy.
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My beard grows like this.
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It doesn't grow like a real fancy duck dynasty beard.
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My beard, I'm like, I look like a chia pet.
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And so, I shamed it.
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And she's like, hmm, I kind of like the beard.
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And I was like, who is he?
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- No.
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- I mean, he's something's wrong here
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because for 20 years of our marriage,
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you wanted me to be clean shaving when I came to bed.
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And now I've been gone for a while
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and now you want me to keep the beard.
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I mean, just tell me who he is.
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- No, what she did is she experienced the true grandeur
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of actual manhood and manliness.
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And she's like, yeah, daddy, give me some more of that.
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But here's the thing,
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if you do get into the United States Senate,
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I mean, then you're going to be invited
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to all those private, you know,
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eyes wide shut parties
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and all these other crazy different things,
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you'll probably have two different people
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that their only job will be to trim your beard for you.
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I mean, this is going to be,
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this is going to be all good, Mark Wayne.
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- Oh yeah, man, I'll get into waxing and everything then.
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Yes, I'm all about that.
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- As long as we keep the waxing above the clavicles,
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we should be okay, but I guess we need to get into
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exactly what we want to have you on here for today.
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So the last time we had you on,
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which was just a few weeks ago,
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obviously we were talking about the race
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as it pertain to write them.
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But guys, if you're listening to this on time,
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we were less than three weeks away from the midterm.
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So November 8th or the midterm elections
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they are right around the corner.
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So let's talk about your campaign first,
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you know, your campaigning against Democrat Kendra Horn
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trying to get into Congress.
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I've seen what the polls say.
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You probably have some different polls that we haven't seen.
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But tell me about your race.
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How's it shaping up?
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It's looking good.
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I mean, we set out in February
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when we made our announcement,
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actually driving to the high school state tournament
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to coach my boys.
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We set out down there and I made the announcement.
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We're in it to win it.
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And that hasn't changed.
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And so we're still driving hard.
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Our message is resonated.
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We're not getting in the weeds.
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Of course, she's gotten negative,
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trying to do everything she can to come after us.
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I just ignore and run our race.
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Our whole thing of our race is to do the right thing
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the first time.
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That's, if you get my challenge point,
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that's what it says on.
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Do the right thing the first time.
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It says my priorities are God, family,
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and then everybody else.
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If I take care of those two first priorities,
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I'm taking everybody else.
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And so what we want to do in this race
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is to let people know who we are.
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In the Eastern side of the state,
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they know who we are.
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On the Western side of the state, they don't.
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So we've done really a really hard press
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on advertising, honestly, us as a family.
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Who we are as a family, what our stances are and why.
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And we've been pretty bold about those.
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You've been taking a strong stance on women's sports
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and making sure people understand
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that my daughters can compete with anybody
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who's on a feet and fair playing field.
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And that's what Title IX was all what it was intended about.
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To take a strong stance on abortion.
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We make it very clear that we have three adopted kids, right?
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And I think the Lord that those,
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the biological birth mothers was brave enough
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to give us an opportunity to love three kids.
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Because if they would have chosen the way out of abortion,
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these kids would never have an opportunity
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to live a successful life.
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And Chris and I would never have an opportunity
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to have three more kids and love them dearly.
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And we make a very strong difference.
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And there's a big difference between us
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and our opponent and that.
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And it's resonated.
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And so we feel very, very confident, Kyle, where we're at.
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We're 20 days out, and then we're just ready
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to run through the tape.
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November 8th, we're like, just currently get here.
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You know, it's like you've been training
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for a world competition for a long time.
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And that's the thing is whenever you look at any of the races
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that are being talked about in the news media,
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no one's ever really talking about your race.
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And there's a good reason for that.
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They're not really talking about the governor's race
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here in Oklahoma either.
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There's a good reason for that.
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But the last time we had you on,
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you did a fairly in depth breakdown of why you felt
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at least a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago,
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that you felt the GOP was in a very, very good position
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to actually take back the Senate.
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That the House is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
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Again, even though the summer it got a little bit dicey.
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But here we are again.
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The nation pretty much only wants to talk about
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what's going on in Pennsylvania and Georgia.
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So you have Warnock and Herschel Walker there in Georgia.
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And then you've got John Federman and Dr. Mamet Oz
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up there in Pennsylvania.
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Both of those races are basically,
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in Georgia, we're looking at a coin flip
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according to most of the polling,
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which again, if you wanna trust polling, go for it.
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And then in Pennsylvania, now with John Federman,
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essentially not being able to talk,
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which people are like, oh, you're being ableist.
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If you're getting on to him for not being able to talk,
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it's like, you have to talk and reason.
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If you're gonna be in Congress,
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like I don't care if you're wheeled into Congress
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in a wheelchair, I care if your brain functions.
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And so that races down into the low single digits
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if you believe the polling.
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So now that we're about three weeks out,
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this is your last chance to tell my audience
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how you see the race,
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not just for your individual race,
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but for the Senate at large.
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- So as I said, we're gonna win our race.
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We're feel very confident.
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I've been on the road traveling nonstop.
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And when I'm in traveling, not just inside Oklahoma,
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when I'm in Oklahoma, I'm traveling,
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when I'm not in Oklahoma,
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we're going all across the country.
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We've been in Atlanta, we've been in Georgia twice.
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In Nevada with Adam Laxalt,
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we've spent time with masters,
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those named Blake Masters and Nevada.
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We've been in New Hampshire, we've been in Dr. Oz.
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I feel very confident, Kyle, where we're at.
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I think Herschel pulls it off in Georgia.
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It's one of the nastiest races that I've seen.
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I mean, it is nasty.
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There's no question, but it is absolutely nasty.
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But at the end of the day,
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no one has a better name ID in Georgia.
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And don't forget, Georgia football's been pretty good
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right now, and they're pretty geared up about that.
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And that plays right in.
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I hate to say, but it plays right into the hands
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of people showing up and voting.
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It's a complete 100% saturation.
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Both people know it have a complete 100% name ID.
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This is very much like Hillary Clinton and Trump.
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People know who they are and their minds
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already made up on them.
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And I feel positive that Herschel Walker's gonna pull it off.
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It's not gonna be a great upset,
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but he's definitely gonna pull it off
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within a margin of errors.
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And Dr. Oz, the deal that's going on in Pennsylvania
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is it's interesting because Dr. Oz
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hasn't done a whole lot to help himself,
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but he hasn't hurt himself either.
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He's been very consistent.
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Fetterman is to the point out that people know
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that he's not gonna finish six years.
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What's interesting there though,
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is they don't want the governor,
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because the governor isn't very popular.
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And the way Pennsylvania works is if the senator
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has to resign for whatever reasons
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or because they can't do their duty or they pass away.
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I'm not saying Fetterman's gonna pass away,
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I'm just saying that, or they have to leave office.
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The governor gets to point the senator
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for the remainder of the term.
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And typically that senator then can go ahead
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and run for reelection.
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And so they don't want the governor to have that opportunity.
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So it's more against, it's turning out that their minds
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made up about Fetterman,
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their minds made up against Dr. Oz,
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but the governor is playing a role in this thing now.
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And they're leaning towards Dr. Oz.
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So I think we still hold on to Pennsylvania.
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And if we hold on to Pennsylvania and we pick up Georgia,
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then we're at 51.
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So we want to send Adam Black salt
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and Nevada is doing really good.
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He's gonna win, that puts us at 52.
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I think Masters, Blake Masters in Nevada,
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or Arizona has a very good experience to win.
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And let me tell you O'Day in Colorado,
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he's running a heck of a race.
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The independents are moving towards us.
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We're dead even with independents now, we're 50/50.
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With independents, that means that's a 23% pickup
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of independents for the Republican party,
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'cause we've only been at 27%.
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And then we've also lay in the fact
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that we're bringing in Hispanic votes.
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We're winning Hispanic votes right now.
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For the first time since we've measured Hispanic votes
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as a susceptibility, we're winning Hispanic votes.
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We'll both have a high population base in Colorado.
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If those move the way that they look like they're moving,
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then O'Day's gonna win Colorado.
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That's a D plus six state.
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D plus six means that any Democrat should win by at least
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least six points.
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And Oklahoma won R 27.
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So any Republicans should win by at least 20 plus points.
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27 or so should be where you should be at.
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And so we can win it, that right there puts us at 54.
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Now, I don't think we can win much more than 54,
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but we could win Washington State.
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We could win New Hampshire, we could win Vermont.
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I don't think we're gonna win all seven,
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'cause there's seven states at play,
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but I feel very confident we're gonna win.
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- So I appreciate going into that detail again.
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One quick question on Mehmet Oz,
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and I wanna spend a whole lot of time with this,
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'cause we have some of the things I wanna get to.
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Part of me is, okay, I think people in the state
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of Pennsylvania are treating that as almost a placeholder.
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Like, hey, we just need to get this person in
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and they'll vote with the party and they'll go from there.
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My concern as a Republican is that Mehmet Oz
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would be just like Mitt Romney,
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in that he is more of a thorn in the GOP side
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than he is an advocate for GOP policies.
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And again, it's hard to say that now,
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but I mean, is there any standing to what I'm saying
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or any of my fears there?
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- Sure, I think it's legit,
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but you got one factor that is a hard factor
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to measure is Trump.
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Remember, Trump came out for odds very early, very strong.
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There's some loyalty there that is due.
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And Trump has no problem with calling you out
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if you flip-flop.
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If you, if you, if you duked him,
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if you misled him, you, there's a,
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there's a wrath to pay on that one.
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You know, he does, if you're open and honest with who you are,
15:29
then begin with, fine, you guys will just be tipped for tag.
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But if you actually come out
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and you decide to be something different
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than what you portrayed yourself to him
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and he tied his name to you,
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then there was a wrath coming after you
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and it's pretty heavy.
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And I think, I think Trump did a good job
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because he interviews you.
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When you go and talk to him, it's an interview.
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It's a very in-depth interview.
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He's interviewed a lot of people in his life.
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I feel pretty good of the credentials of where he's gonna be.
15:58
We're gonna look at things different, obviously,
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on sometimes.
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But I think when push comes a shove,
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he's not gonna be a Mitt Romney.
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- Okay, well, that makes me feel a little bit better.
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Now, one of the reasons why you just mentioned
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the independence there.
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A lot of independence are trending towards the GOP right now.
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And there's, there's really good reason for that.
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One of the main reasons is
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because of what people are actually concerned about.
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People aren't concerned about whether or not
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their school will allow their kids to,
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to go to the bathroom in the wrong bathroom
16:24
or whether or not they're allowing these kids
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to compete against people from different gender.
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That's not what people are concerned about.
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They're concerned about their pocketbooks.
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They're concerned about gas prices.
16:33
They're concerned about inflation.
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I mean, the other day, like, my wife sent me to Lowe's
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to go grab some mulch.
16:38
And she's like, yeah, you know,
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they're about five bucks a bag.
16:40
They're like 13 bucks a bag for the mulch that we buy.
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Because like the last time we bought they were around $5.
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And here we are almost triple the price.
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We're seeing it in everything.
16:49
And the everyday American is feeling that.
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And the recent inflation reports,
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I feel like this is just kind of like a broken record.
16:55
Every time they release an inflation report,
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it's the worst one we've seen in 40 years.
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And then we get another one.
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And it's the worst one we've seen in 40 years.
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I guess the one good thing is,
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at least Jimmy Carter lived long enough to see a president
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that was worse than him.
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And so that's where we're at right now.
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Yeah, sorry, that's a little bit of a brutal line.
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But that is absolutely true.
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And so let's talk about the inflation reports
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because let's say you guys take over the house
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and the Senate.
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You still have Joe Biden in the White House kind of.
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So what exactly can the Congress do
17:26
to help with what everyday Americans
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are actually struggling with?
17:29
Well, let's go back and talk about the fact
17:32
you're putting mulch down.
17:33
You do know it washes out every time it rains.
17:35
So you're just fully aware of this.
17:37
All right, now, would you like me to clip this
17:39
and show that to my wife?
17:40
So I can be like, hey, instead of mulch,
17:42
how about we just put concrete down?
17:44
I'm okay with concrete, but it's-
17:45
How old or river rock is something
17:47
that doesn't wash every kind of rains?
17:49
And not to mention mulch is a little bad about termites
17:51
and it's not really a termites and oakland.
17:53
So what a very poor decision making on your-
17:55
You're preaching to the choir here, okay?
17:57
Like this is just, I did my honeydew,
17:59
so stop getting on to me.
18:01
So let's talk about inflation, inflation.
18:04
You know, the most homes in Oklahoma heat with gas
18:08
because gas prices have been so low.
18:11
So we're not an all electric house.
18:13
There's very few homes in Oklahoma
18:15
that are fully electric.
18:17
And so a gas alone to heat your house this year
18:20
was going to be a 28% increase, 28% increase.
18:25
Now you think about Oklahoma and District 2,
18:29
which is all eastern side of the average household.
18:32
Household income is a little over 40,000 a year.
18:36
Now, you think about heating your house at a 28% increase,
18:41
then gas being over $4 a gallon
18:45
just to get you back and forth to work.
18:46
Now, to mention your drive to take the kids to school,
18:49
like Chris and I, it's a 30-minute drive to take
18:51
our kids to school one way, which I say we take our kids.
18:55
We have three teenage boys that are driving,
18:58
so we don't really do that anymore, but still.
19:00
You just, you think about that
19:02
and the cost is added in there.
19:04
The average inflation rate is at 13.5% across Oklahoma.
19:09
It's 8.8, 8.9, something like that across the nation.
19:14
So Oklahoma's just proportionally at high
19:16
because of oil and gas industry.
19:18
So people are concerned about their pocketbook.
19:22
You go to the grocery store,
19:23
you see the amount of cost of everything that's went up.
19:26
I mean, everything is through the roof.
19:28
You go to the restaurant, mine and the Lord.
19:30
Restaurants are, it's $30 to go to McDonald's right now.
19:34
And I'm not saying that it's too high,
19:36
this is what their prices are.
19:37
Chris and I, we own a restaurant on top
19:39
of all the other companies we have,
19:41
and you can't keep a consistent pricing on the menu.
19:44
Chicken alone has went up 110% just for chicken,
19:49
not matching your meat prices.
19:51
And that's your proteins, right?
19:53
Your little cups of extra salad dressing
19:57
that everybody likes.
19:58
Used to, we didn't pay attention to those.
20:00
Now we fear those costs us a quarter
20:01
every time we send them out of the kitchen.
20:03
That's how much the little plastic things are cost with it.
20:05
And so it's cost, cost is running through the,
20:08
running rampant to us.
20:10
And the, in Biden, he said this weekend
20:13
when he was eating his ice cream,
20:16
that the economy was strong.
20:20
- Yeah, completely tone deaf.
20:23
- Yes, and when he starts talking about the inflation,
20:26
he says there's zero, zero, zero inflation.
20:28
He doesn't understand what's happening
20:30
and nor can they admit that this happened
20:33
because if they admitted to it, Kyle,
20:35
then they would have to admit that their policies have failed.
20:39
And that's not what a socialist country does.
20:41
That's not what a socialist dictator does.
20:44
That's not what socialists do.
20:46
They don't admit that it's their policies.
20:49
They blame on somebody else and make the argument,
20:53
this is why we need to take control.
20:55
Because if you had let us take control,
20:57
we could solve this,
20:58
but it's these bad people over here
21:00
that's causing this to happen.
21:01
And at the same time, ignoring the fact
21:04
that it's their decisions that's drove us to this point.
21:08
And it's not that hard to fix.
21:10
The first thing you've got to fix for inflation
21:12
is you've got to fix energy.
21:13
Energy is the backbone of every product.
21:16
It is the beginning and end of every product.
21:18
It's the beginning of a product being made.
21:20
It's the end of the product being delivered
21:23
because it takes delivery costs,
21:25
which is driven by a combustible motor to get it to you.
21:28
And even if you switch it to electric,
21:30
you still got to have energy to get it there.
21:32
You still got to induce energy to charge the vehicle.
21:35
So energy, you have to have control of energy.
21:37
And where we're energy and dependent
21:39
is when we saw the cost of energy knows dive
21:42
because we wasn't depending on OPEC and Russia
21:45
and Iran and Venezuela to set the energy cost.
21:49
We were setting the cost of energy
21:51
because people want to do business with the United States.
21:53
And by the way,
21:54
our energy that we have for these environmentalists out there
21:57
that may be listening,
21:58
not that they're probably listening to your podcast,
21:59
but who knows?
22:00
But if they're listening,
22:02
do you understand that Saudi Arabia's oil,
22:06
Russia's oil, Venezuela's oil,
22:08
the heavy crude has a four to one ratio
22:12
of our sweet crude,
22:15
what you would consider your dirty components
22:18
that's coming out of it when we're refining it.
22:21
So what is it you're arguing here?
22:23
Because we're not reducing our footprint.
22:26
All we're doing is making us more dependent
22:28
on foreign countries is make us very a volatile country
22:31
and we're costing our economy at the same time.
22:33
And what's your end game?
22:35
What are you trying to do?
22:35
And so you can't even talk about getting inflation under control
22:39
if we don't become energy independent
22:41
and take the control of that, that,
22:43
and which has separated us from the rest of the country,
22:46
arrest the world for so long
22:48
because we're such a unique economy
22:51
inside the United States
22:52
that we can be completely 100% independent.
22:55
You think about Europe.
22:56
Europe doesn't have the ability to control their own energy.
22:59
Mm-hmm.
23:00
Neither does China.
23:02
And so you look at the United States
23:05
and we could be completely energy independent.
23:08
Not, not worried about what OPEC and Russia does,
23:10
but we don't do it
23:12
because of failed policy by the Obama administration.
23:14
He called it, he called the president tone death.
23:16
Don't tone death.
23:18
It's policy death too.
23:20
He's completely numb to his policies.
23:23
He's, he's numb to it because he's insulated from it.
23:26
Again, I don't really think he's running the show.
23:27
He's more the face and I mean, what,
23:29
could he have a worse face for those types of things?
23:31
So it's, there's other people that are pulling the strings,
23:34
but I guess to wrap this up and again,
23:36
that this gets way into the weeds
23:37
and we just don't have the time to get into it.
23:38
But whenever the Congress and the White House
23:41
are of different parties,
23:43
I know a lot of the policy making
23:45
and a lot of the executive orders,
23:46
they obviously come from the executive branch.
23:49
But from the legislative branch,
23:51
what are some things that you will be able to do
23:53
to kind of curtail some of the decisions being made
23:55
from the White House,
23:56
but then also pushes towards the energy independent side
23:59
because again, we could be a net exporter of energy.
24:01
We were under Donald Trump as president.
24:04
So what can Congress do if you have both houses?
24:07
- If we have both houses,
24:08
we can pass legislation but want to be signed and all.
24:11
- Of course.
24:11
- Yeah.
24:12
- And because we, no matter,
24:14
even if we get pick up 40 seats in the house,
24:16
we're still not gonna have two thirds.
24:18
So we're not gonna build an override of veto in the house,
24:21
much less than Senate.
24:22
The Senate's definitely not gonna have two thirds.
24:23
We're not gonna have 60.
24:25
So we can pass legislation,
24:27
but there's not gonna be anything that legislative,
24:30
we're gonna build a dude to reverse the policies
24:32
because it takes legislation to override an executive order.
24:37
And for that legislation to go into law,
24:39
I guess who has to sign it?
24:40
It's the President of the United States
24:42
who signed the executive order.
24:43
He can veto it and know we can override it.
24:45
So it's gonna be difficult for us to do anything
24:48
when it comes to that.
24:49
Now what we can do is we can bar the door shut.
24:52
We can keep a lot of stuff from going into effect
24:54
because when we control the house,
24:56
what we do is in the Senate,
24:58
when he puts an executive order out,
25:01
we can just simply not fund it
25:02
when we go to funding the government.
25:04
We're not gonna fund that executive order.
25:05
We're not gonna allow any funds to be used
25:08
to execute that executive order.
25:11
But it's only, you can't go back and reverse it though.
25:14
You can just keep it from moving forward.
25:16
So to say, we're more like a door stop
25:21
when we don't control the White House.
25:23
We just kind of keep bad things from happening.
25:27
But have I broke down the Chevron difference for you?
25:30
'Cause this is what's important.
25:31
Okay, so why all of a sudden do we hear
25:34
so much about executive orders?
25:35
Why is executive orders such a big thing?
25:37
Because our founding fathers never intended
25:40
for the executive branch to build and make legislation,
25:42
but they make legislation all the time
25:44
to what they call executive orders.
25:46
Well, how did that happen?
25:47
Why did all of a sudden that take place?
25:49
'Cause it hasn't been like this always.
25:51
Reagan couldn't do this.
25:53
Clinton couldn't do this.
25:55
Bush 41 couldn't do this.
25:59
So why is it now that Obama coined a phrase that says,
26:03
I call on Congress to act if not I got a pin in the phone?
26:06
We'll go back to Chevron difference.
26:08
What happened was in early 2000, Chevron sued the EPA
26:12
and asked the court, who has final say?
26:14
If Congress passed legislation and the rulemaking
26:17
because the rules are wrote by the agencies
26:19
that the legislation referred to,
26:23
if it doesn't line up the Congress's intent,
26:25
who has final say?
26:27
And it made it all the way into the Supreme Court.
26:29
In 2005, the Supreme Court basically ruled and said
26:33
that Congress delegated that authority to the agency,
26:36
therefore making them the experts.
26:38
So the experts have final say, that happened in 2005.
26:42
When Obama came into office,
26:44
he took complete control of that.
26:47
And instead of them just making rulemaking
26:49
for legislation going forward,
26:51
he took a very strong approach to it
26:55
and said, I can reach all the way back to 1974
26:59
to the Clean Water Act, or 1972, I think,
27:02
to the Clean Air Act.
27:04
I might be wrong on those numbers, maybe '73.
27:06
I'm really pulling that out.
27:07
But it was early '70s where they come out and they said,
27:11
let's redefine the word, "navical bodies of water."
27:13
Navical bodies of water was really,
27:15
what is our Coast Guard Patrol?
27:18
That's an abical bodies water.
27:20
We're gonna consider that water so that you ask.
27:22
We have no control over that.
27:24
Obama came in and redefined that
27:26
by calling it literally in a minute streams,
27:29
anything that flows into a body of water that's navical,
27:33
now has jurisdiction underneath the Clean Water Act.
27:36
And he did that to executive orders.
27:37
That made all types of problems for the oil and gas industry
27:41
and the farming industry, the Clean Air Act,
27:43
with emissions coming out through our power plants.
27:47
He started going after it
27:49
and started going back towards executive orders,
27:51
going back towards and eliminating coal fire power plants.
27:54
He did that not through legislation
27:55
through executive orders.
27:57
And so if we're gonna make real changes to this,
28:00
which causes, by the way, when you make changes that quick,
28:03
our founding fathers wanted government to be dysfunctional
28:06
because they wanted to move very, very, very slow.
28:09
We get frustrated, but when we're dysfunctional
28:12
and we move slow as a government,
28:13
that's exactly what our founding fathers wanted to do.
28:16
So we didn't have volatility inside the country
28:19
where you didn't have ups and downs
28:21
because you'd have one really party come in
28:23
and make sudden changes to it all of a sudden.
28:25
But that's exactly what we have with executive orders
28:27
because you can have one president
28:29
that can come in office on January 20th,
28:31
undo all executive orders that were put in place
28:33
and put the whole country into a tailspin,
28:35
which is what happened in January 20th to 2021, right?
28:40
So we have to go back and have the court re-look at that.
28:44
And we have a court now that is different
28:46
than it was in 2005.
28:47
We have a court now that's making some very landmark decisions
28:50
and undoing landmark decisions.
28:51
They're making very bold decisions and saying,
28:53
"Wait, the court got it wrong."
28:55
And I've been talking to industries all across the United States
28:58
saying someone's gonna have to re-challenge this lawsuit,
29:01
not initially bring up the chevron deference,
29:03
but somebody's gonna have to sue,
29:05
even if it's the medical industry suing HHS or CMS,
29:10
saying we need to re-look at this
29:12
because this is outside of Congress and intent
29:14
to get that re-look at and reverse
29:16
and then we can quit the volatility
29:17
that happens with executive orders.
29:19
And that's a huge role because going back to what you said,
29:22
what Congress has rolled in would be
29:24
is they could show the court what their intent is.
29:27
Congress could make capacity legislation
29:29
that mirrors a lawsuit that is being sued
29:32
and it's being asked,
29:33
just says, "Yes, Congress agrees with this.
29:36
"Outside the president.
29:38
"We need to take the authority back away from the president,
29:40
"put it back into the legislative branch,
29:42
"not the executive branch, the legislative branch."
29:45
And so both chambers could pass it,
29:47
even though it doesn't get signed on law,
29:48
it says a signal to the Supreme Court
29:52
when they're making a ruling saying Congress agrees
29:54
with what the lawsuit is asking.
29:57
- Well, even beyond that, Mark Wayne,
29:58
just we saw this within a week of Joe Biden taking office,
30:03
most of Trump's executive orders just disappeared
30:05
into the ether and the same would happen
30:07
if Joe Biden is not elected to a second term.
30:09
And like, I hate that precedent of like,
30:11
"Hey, let's just do this with the pin."
30:13
And so one thing that I wanted to get to
30:15
before we got you out of here,
30:16
because there was something interesting
30:17
that happened last week.
30:17
It was all we could talk about for three or four days.
30:20
And it was that Tulsi Gabbard basically gave the finger
30:23
to the Democratic Party and said, "Peace, I'm out."
30:25
And that's an interesting thing,
30:26
because you obviously know, Tulsi, your friends with her,
30:29
you work together with her when she was in Congress.
30:31
Y'all actually, I think, wrote a bill together.
30:33
I think it had to do with Title IX.
30:34
I might be getting the details fuzzy.
30:36
But y'all did a bipartisan bill to get some things done.
30:39
Now, this is what I will say before you answer
30:41
and give me your thoughts on this.
30:42
I've said before and I've said on this show,
30:44
whenever she was doing the,
30:45
I'm the anti-establishment Democrat thing,
30:47
I didn't think it was that impressive,
30:49
because like Republicans were like,
30:50
"Oh my gosh, hanging on every word she would say."
30:52
And it's like, "Guys, she's just saying things
30:54
that are reasonable, but she's definitely a Democrat.
30:57
Like she's not good on gun policy.
30:59
She's not good on abortion.
31:00
She's not good on immigration.
31:02
She's not good on these things."
31:03
But she does say some things that are completely
31:05
counter to the nonsense woke narrative
31:07
that we get from most of the Democrats
31:08
that are currently in Congress.
31:10
And so kind of a whirlwind,
31:11
it seems like she's taken off the chains
31:13
of some of the things she's been able to say
31:15
when on Joe Rogan last week,
31:16
when on Tucker Carlson,
31:17
she's been making the rounds.
31:18
What are your thoughts on her leaving
31:20
the Democratic Party in the way that she did?
31:22
Do you think she'll eventually run again
31:24
for office as a libertarian or a Republican?
31:26
Or is she gonna make up her own party?
31:27
What do you think is gonna be the future for her?
31:29
- Well, Talsy isn't just a friend.
31:31
She'd call me her brother and I call her my sister.
31:34
We're very close.
31:35
We're very close to the family.
31:37
Her husband Abraham is a very good friend of mine.
31:41
And my daughter wants to go live in Hawaii with,
31:45
with Hawaii or with Talsy and,
31:47
and be her nanny when she has kids.
31:49
I mean, that's how her father's an outstanding person,
31:52
her sister was a U.S. marshal.
31:54
And so it was her brother-in-law, great people.
31:56
We have broke bread many, many, many, many times together.
31:59
We've done trips together.
32:00
So in fact, she's gonna be here a week from tomorrow
32:05
and we'll be doing events with a stain
32:07
right here in the house with us.
32:09
That's how, so when I say sister,
32:10
she is very close.
32:11
We're gonna be doing an event on 26 and Tulsa
32:16
and the 25th and Oklahoma City will be at lunch
32:21
and dinner, Oklahoma City will be at lunch
32:23
and then Tulsa will be at dinner.
32:26
And so I've known this was coming for a while.
32:29
To be quite frank,
32:30
we knew she was gonna leave the party probably a year
32:34
plus ago, I would say really,
32:37
I'd say really close to after she lost
32:40
the presidential bid for to be a Democrat nominee.
32:45
And I believe she's gonna become an independent
32:51
if I were to guess.
32:52
Now we haven't had those exact words,
32:54
so I'm not saying, I'm not trying to give you a week
32:57
and say this is what she said.
32:59
If I were to guess, I have never pushed her on this subject
33:03
because there is some political differences between us.
33:05
My thing is, is that I'm okay
33:07
with having political differences with you
33:09
as long as you love that flag as much as I do this behind you.
33:12
No one can argue the fact her dedication to this country.
33:15
We can argue political points.
33:16
We can argue what we make decisions,
33:19
but we all make decisions based on two things,
33:21
where we raise and our experiences grown up.
33:26
And those things don't change.
33:30
And so we raise different and our experiences grown up,
33:33
our life experiences grown up has been different.
33:36
So we do have differences,
33:37
but she loves a country for sure.
33:40
So we, I don't really talk really heavy politics with her,
33:43
just on the top lines,
33:44
and then some issues we agree and we just kind of move into it.
33:47
And so I would think she'd become an independent.
33:51
And I don't know if she'll run for office again or not.
33:54
She does such a phenomenal job.
33:56
I don't know if you saw when she filled in
33:57
for Tucker Carlson.
33:58
She just, she kicked it out of the park.
34:01
- Yeah, she's got a knack for it for sure.
34:03
And so I can see where she could probably get a big deal
34:07
on Fox or, I don't know, it was Newsmax.
34:12
I don't know who'll pick her up,
34:13
but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody did pick her up
34:14
and paid her pretty good money
34:16
and probably maybe keep her out of politics.
34:18
But I know she has a desire to serve
34:20
and she wants to serve.
34:22
That's her heart.
34:22
She has a desire to serve in whatever capacity that could be.
34:26
And if she made a decision to go do a talk show,
34:29
it wouldn't necessarily mean it for the funding,
34:31
for the money of it.
34:32
She doesn't chase that.
34:33
She's very unique, very different when it comes up.
34:36
It would be where she is in the best position
34:38
to affect policy to which she believes in the most.
34:42
And so she ran for office because that's what she decided to do.
34:46
She decided to go towards the speaking route.
34:49
That is because she thinks she'd be more effective that way.
34:52
And by the way, what she's doing right now
34:53
has been dang effective.
34:55
No one, I've never heard anybody
34:57
break down the current Democrat party,
34:59
the way that she did and dissect it in a manner
35:02
that made sense without actually coming
35:04
like she had a vendetta against him.
35:06
She didn't come across angry on her.
35:08
She just said, this is the facts.
35:11
Follow it.
35:12
And I was very impressed and proud.
35:14
- Well, Mark, when she did it 90 seconds in a video
35:17
that had millions of views after its first day,
35:18
but this was an interesting thing
35:20
about her leaving the Democratic party.
35:21
And I'm not the one that thought of this,
35:23
someone else said it and I'd love to give him credit,
35:24
but I can't remember.
35:25
But typically when people lead the Republican party,
35:28
they have one name on their lips and it's Trump.
35:31
Oh, I can't do anything because of Trump.
35:33
And Trump did this and Trump said this
35:34
and he's orange and he's bad.
35:36
So they always say Trump.
35:37
She managed to do a 90 second little soliloquy
35:40
on why she's leaving the Democratic party.
35:41
And she named no names because she didn't need to.
35:44
She didn't need to say Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders
35:47
or Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton.
35:48
All she had to say was this is what this part
35:51
of the party rather has devolved to.
35:55
Here's what they actually believe and guess what?
35:57
All the people that were mad at her,
35:58
no one was able to disagree with or quibble
36:01
with what she said.
36:02
They were just mad that she said it out loud.
36:04
But we're not gonna keep going on Tulsi.
36:06
We can probably talk about her later on.
36:08
We're actually running up against time.
36:10
But this is your last plea, Mark Wayne.
36:12
This is your last plea to the people of Oklahoma
36:15
that are potentially, maybe they're on the fence.
36:17
Maybe they don't know what they're gonna do
36:18
on November the 8th.
36:19
And so this is your last time where you can tell them,
36:21
"Hey guys, this is why you should pull the lever
36:23
"for Mark Wayne Molin on November the 8th."
36:25
- Well, our country's too valuable for us to lose it.
36:28
So losing is not an option.
36:30
Guys, I don't lose, I'm allergic to it.
36:33
I'd rather die than ever quit.
36:35
And so my fight for this country is still that.
36:37
I get, I had the best, I had the best of both worlds.
36:41
And what I mean by that is, is I get to do this.
36:45
This isn't something I have to do.
36:47
I get to do this.
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It's not my livelihood.
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And then behind that, I got a strong family with my wife
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and my kids that aren't just okay with me being in the fight.
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They're in the fight with me.
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And I'm gonna tell you, if I got those priorities right,
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then I'm good to go.
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And so guys, I'm losing is not an option.
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And I'm all in.
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I need you guys to join me
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because no one's gonna fight harder than me.
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- All right, that's all for me.
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Is there anything else you wanna get off your chest?
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- Kyle, I appreciate you, man.
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Always love being on your show.
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- Mark Wayne Molin, thank you for coming back
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on Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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- Thank you.
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- There you go, guys.
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I hope you enjoyed the return appearance
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of Mark Wayne Molin on the show.
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But before we let you go,
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we are gonna do a quick resilience boost.
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Add Undaunted Life, our mission is equipping
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to pushback darkness with content that for just spiritual
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mental and physical resilience.
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And just a reminder, go to Origin's website.
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So that is in the show notes here.
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Just my first name, KYLE.
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In the links I've got for you today,
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I've got a link to Mark Wayne for Senate.
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So this is the final push.
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Go to his website.
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If you're on the fence, Okeys, go to his website.
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I absolutely give him my full endorsement.
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I think you should vote for Mark Wayne
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on November the 8th.
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Go to his website to see why you should like that as well.
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And then I'll put a link to his other appearances
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on the show in the show notes as well.
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All right guys, thanks so much for listening to this podcast.
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We do appreciate it.
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Just go to www.undaunted.life.
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And as always, we wanna thank the band August Burns Red
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for allowing us to use their music for our content.
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The music on this podcast is our song "Cutting the Ties,"
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which is off their 10th anniversary re-recording
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of their album Leveler.
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The links are in the description.
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I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
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Remember, keep pushing back darkness,
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keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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♪ It's our side, it's our side ♪
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♪ It's our first show ♪
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♪ You will be revived ♪