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- This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Our guys today, we got a special guest on the podcast.
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His name is Justin Malone.
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So he is a film director, editor, and cinematographer.
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And at the age of 22, he launched Malone Pictures
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and he is the director of the documentary Uncle Tom
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and the recently released sequel to Uncle Tom
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and that's Uncle Tom 2.
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And so I'm actually gonna actually read the description
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of Uncle Tom 2 from the back of the DVD.
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I still got it in the plastic because I wanna just kinda
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maintain it and I'm probably gonna give it away
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as a gift at some point.
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But let me go ahead and read about this documentary here.
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Uncle Tom 2 is an odyssey depicting the gradual
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demoralization of America through Marxist infiltration
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of its institutions.
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The film explores how this deceptive ideology
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has torn apart the fabric of society
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while using black America as its number one tool
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for its destruction.
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From executive producer Larry Elder
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and director Justin Malone comes a continuation
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of their highly acclaimed film Uncle Tom from 2020.
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Uncle Tom 2 will take the audience deeper
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into black America's often eradicated history
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of honorable men, entrepreneurship, prosperity,
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faith, and patriotism to its current perceived state of anger,
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discontent, and victimhood.
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Uncle Tom 2 unveils the Marxist strategy
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of creating false racial tension between Americans
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with its ultimate goal of obtaining power,
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destroying capitalism, and replacing God with government.
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So again, Uncle Tom 2, the cool thing about this film
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is I was actually able to go to its world premiere
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in Dallas on August the 26th.
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So I was working with her team to get some of the people
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on the show here for you and I've got some more coming in.
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So around the time that you see this interview come out,
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you also see one with Chad Jackson,
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Chad O'Jackson who was one of the featured cast members
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of this film, but I was invited to go down to Dallas
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and so it was kind of cool going to a world premiere
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and wasn't able to travel with the wife
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because we got the kiddos right now.
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So just made a quick trip down to Dallas.
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I got to spend some time with my boy Eddie Penny
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who's been on the show several times.
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I was on his podcast, which should be out by the time
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you guys listen to this.
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And I go to the theater early 'cause I had nothing else to do
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and so it's like, okay, I'll go
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and I'm sitting in the parking garage
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or go get something to eat.
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And so I didn't know what to do
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and so I was gonna go into the theater
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and just kind of chill for a little bit.
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I didn't really know what to expect.
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And when I walk in, there's basically no one there
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but in the coffee shop to the left,
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I see Colonel Allen West.
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I see Jesse Lee Peterson.
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I see Brandon Tatum, they're all just kind of sitting there
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and so I'm like, all right, I guess I'm hanging out with you guys.
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So I walk up to Colonel Allen West and I say,
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hey, I think we're here for the same thing.
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He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm sure we are.
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And so he introduced me to Jesse and to Brandon
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and we got to chat with them for a little bit,
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got to hang out with them and their team
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and some of the other people that were in the film,
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got to kind of see the behind the scenes stuff
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of how to pull off a premiere,
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which is kind of interesting.
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Met some really cool people, got to see the film there.
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I was sitting next to my boy, Chad Prather.
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So shout out to Chad from Blaze TV.
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And man, it was such a powerful film.
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It was kind of hard to process because it was so powerful
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but there were so many sticky moments
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like as I'm driving back home from Dallas,
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I'm like, man, you know, what about this?
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And what about that?
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And then I watched it again before I did this interview.
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It's just such an unbelievably important film
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that all of you have to see,
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especially if you've bought into any of the current narratives
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around race in America.
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Because this film is made, you know,
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and features prominently all these black conservatives
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and Christians because I asked them about in this film,
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you know, Vodie Bockum's in this version of the film
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and you also have Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker,
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both alums of the podcast.
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But then you have all these great people talking
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about the plight that has befallen the black community
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as it were here in the United States
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and how it got there.
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Because the things that undergird that
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are maybe not what we would think.
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So in this interview with Justin Malone, the director,
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we talk about kind of how the first project came about,
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kind of how this one came about,
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how, you know, black folks are looking at particular role models
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in culture, how, you know,
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people are taking advantage of this community
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and exploiting it and how there was a lot of folks
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in America, black people that were very wealthy
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and very well to do at different points.
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And then kind of what happened to kind of break down
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the structure of the black community
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and started with their faith
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and then turned into their families as well.
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I really, really enjoyed the time.
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And towards the end, we talk about future projects
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and there's some very interesting stuff coming up
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on those future projects.
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Justin Malone, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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- Thanks for having me.
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- I'm so happy to have you.
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It was so great to meet you last week.
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I talked about in the intro,
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how we met at the premiere of the film
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that we're gonna be spending the majority
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of our time talking about today.
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But I do like to kind of ease into things
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in case people don't always know you
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and it's always good to hear from the horse's mouth
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kind of how you got into what you're doing.
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So as a wave introduction, give us an idea
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of how you got into the film industry
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'cause it's from the outside looking in.
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It's a really sexy industry in the lights
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and the finished product and all that.
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And I guess what specifically drew you to directing?
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- Well, both of my parents are movie lovers
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and they raised me going to the movies.
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So I have always been in love with film.
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My mom was more into the old classic Hollywood,
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Jimmy Stewart, Marlon Brando, Lawrence of Arabia.
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So I grew up watching those old films
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and she really taught me how to enjoy a film.
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My dad would always take us to the film.
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So I grew up going, I remember seeing "Last of the Mohicans"
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in the movie theater and even some stuff,
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maybe I shouldn't have saw it.
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We would go to all of our stone films.
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And so I just always grew up.
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And in the early '90s when my brain was coming online,
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I feel it was one of the greatest times of cinema.
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So you had just these great Hollywood dramas,
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Shawshank Redemption, Forrest Gump,
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Tarantino was coming out, Darren Aronofsky.
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Well, that was a little later,
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but it was just a beautiful little moment.
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And I feel like one of, for me personally,
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the greatest moment in Hollywood history
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is those early '90s films.
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I feel like that's where it peaked.
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It was a good time to be a kid, a lot of good films.
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And when I was about 16, my buddy,
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my best friend got a video camera.
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It was a high-ape video camera.
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So we started playing with that
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and we would make little movies.
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And I discovered I had a knack for it.
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And we would show these little skits to people at parties
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and we'd lug our VHS tapes around and people, you know?
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So I just got hooked, you know, entertaining people
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and making films.
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I knew I wanted to be a film director
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I think that's awesome.
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And I think you're right.
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I never really thought about it in those terms,
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but in terms of the nineties and film,
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like right now, I get so not overwhelmed,
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but I'm just bored with a lot of the movies
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that come out, the movies you're supposed to like
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and go to the movies to see.
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It's like, how many times can we rinse and repeat
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the superhero thing?
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Like I just don't understand why people still go
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to those movies.
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I want stuff that's grittier
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and that's why I'm drawing more so to documentaries,
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especially documentaries that take on
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really, really tough subject matters.
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And so we're gonna be spending the majority of the time
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today talking about Uncle Tom too,
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but I do want to go back to Uncle Tom one.
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So I guess give us the Sparkner version
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of where the idea for the Uncle Tom documentary came from,
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how did you specifically get involved?
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What does that documentary cover go?
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- Well, personally, I had been trapped,
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I guess in the advertising industry.
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I had some success in commercials
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and got kind of swept into that world.
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There's a lot of money in that.
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There's a, you know, it's kind of glamorous in some ways.
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And I kind of always thought that,
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well, I would build my production company up
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and one day I would have the resources
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and the means to make films.
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But the year is just kind of flew by.
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And I guess in 2016, I was going through some spiritual changes.
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Our culture was in a very strange place.
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I had always leaned conservative,
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but kept my mouth shut
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in the very liberal industry
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that I was trying to build my career in.
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So around the time, you know,
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and I always, I was always making films,
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even if it was just short films,
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I always had a creative project going.
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But around 2015, 2016,
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when our country was in that chaotic time,
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I was always paying attention to black conservatives
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and as far back as Herman Cain,
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that's really where I saw the hypocrisy
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of how black conservatives were treated in our country.
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I was too young to pick up on the Clarence Thomas,
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Anita Hill thing.
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I learned about that later.
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So, you know, I was curious about why Barack Obama was
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so loved and then two and a half years after that,
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Herman Cain was just destroyed.
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They destroyed his reputation and his legacy.
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They tried to.
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So that's where the seed came from.
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Fast forward, you know, the Trump fiasco.
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But I noticed that the media ramped up the whole racial angle
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and they painted this man who'd been in all of our lives,
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90s movies, right?
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I mean, Trump was just part of our culture,
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a New Yorker, a rich real estate guy,
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but now they're kind of framing him as this white,
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southern, bigot, KKK kind of guy.
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So I mean, by that time I knew the deal.
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But through that, you had people like Candace Owens,
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Brandon Tatum, you had these young millennial conservatives
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that had a different kind of vibe about them,
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a different grit.
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And so I just started following him and, you know,
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it was kind of like that perfect storm where it's like,
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I needed a subject, I needed a story to tell.
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And I said, well, let's interview black conservatives.
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So we did just that.
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My producer that I was working with,
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let's still work with, writer Ansel,
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reached out to the Republican party of Dallas
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or Texas, whatever it was.
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And we got a couple names and we got on the phone.
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And for some way, it led us to Chad Jackson,
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who was a plumber.
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He had a company down in Lancaster, Texas.
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He agreed to interview with us.
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We went in, talked to him for about two hours on camera.
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And that was it, that after I left that interview,
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I said, this is the movie that I'm going to make.
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And I took that interview.
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I cut together about 11 minute segment proof of concept.
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And I went to Los Angeles.
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I got a meeting with Jesse Lee Peterson.
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He agreed to do the film.
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And by God's grace and providence,
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I had been trying to get a hold of Larry Elder
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for several months through Messenger.
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And he just so happened to respond to me
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while I was in Los Angeles.
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And I went to Larry Elder's house, interviewed with him.
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We stayed in touch.
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I filmed with Larry a second time a couple months later.
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And we were just talking.
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And he was like, what are you doing with this project?
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And I had that little segment that I had cut.
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I was like, would you like to see what I'm thinking?
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And Larry watched it in his studio on his phone.
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We watched it on the phone.
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And I could tell he was reacting to it.
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And I said, would you like to come on board
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and help me produce this?
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He said, absolutely.
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We had dinner the following night.
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And here we are.
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Larry jumped on board and just opened a lot of doors for me.
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He was able to raise the money very quickly.
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And he just put a lot of faith in me.
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And he backed me and he's still backing me to this day.
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So that was the origin of part one of just kind of going for it.
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Letting go of some idols and letting
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go of a career that hadn't gone the way I wanted it to go.
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And really just stepping out there and trusting God
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and going for it.
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And I think that's awesome.
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And the first film, like you mentioned, a lot of these people.
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But yeah, Larry Elder, Chateau Jackson, Brandon Tate.
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I'm Colonel Allen West, Herman Cain, Candace Owens,
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Robert Woodson, Carol Swain, Jesse Lee Peterson,
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and on and on and on.
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And then you get into the sequel.
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So I want to know why do the sequel.
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But there's an interesting thing about the sequel to me.
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And again, guys, it is in the show notes
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you need to go and check out this film.
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It is absolutely worth your time,
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whether you stream it by the DVD or both.
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Who gives a crap? You're going to do it.
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But the thing that's interesting is
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there are some notable additions to the second cast.
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So you have Darryl Harrison and Virgil Walker.
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They both have been on this podcast before prominent black
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conservatives, but also prominent black Christians as well.
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But then also the one and only, the lion,
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Vodie Bockham, Jr., okay?
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So the second film does,
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and maybe this goes back to the reason
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why you would do a sequel.
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The second film does what many conservative projects
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that I've seen, especially lately, won't seem to do.
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And that is to explicitly make this a spiritual issue.
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Like prominently, I think of Matt Walsh's What Is A Woman,
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which is a fantastic film,
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but they avoided the spiritual, a biblical realm entirely
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because they wanted it to stand on its own two feet.
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They didn't want people to just be able to wave
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their hand over it and dismiss it.
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And so to not hide behind the vagaries of quote, unquote,
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morality, but to specifically discuss Christian morality
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in the gospel.
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So I guess why make the sequel, but why do that?
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And why the addition of these prominent black men
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that are specifically from the Christian space?
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- Well, since the films cover black history,
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it's impossible to tell that story without Christianity.
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I mean, the black history in America
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is its roots are in Christianity.
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And the black community has always been a community
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of Christian heritage and Christian faith.
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For me personally, my spiritual journey
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was really beginning right before I started Uncle Tom II.
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My personal life was in shambles.
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My company, my marriage,
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everything was just falling apart for me.
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And I had a God moment, he revealed himself to me.
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And then that was the beginning of my journey.
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My faith walk kind of came through politics, ironically.
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I had become a full-blown atheist
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by the time I was 16.
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And very hardcore,
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I felt anyone that believed in God was silly.
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I mean, I went really, really far into that.
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But when I was in my early 20s,
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I started kind of shifting conservative in my politics.
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And so that led me to talk radio
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and some of these personalities who were political,
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but every now and then you would hear them
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talk about their faith in God and their belief in God.
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And then as you start loving America
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and you start understanding the constitution,
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God is all in our constitution.
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God is all in our founding.
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And that's the one thing I feel that makes us different
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than any other country in the history of the world.
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So, as we were getting into part two and Chad
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and my friendship was growing,
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like Chad's very faithful.
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And so our conversations, you know, there's a lot of fellowship
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in our conversations.
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And my brother, Ryan,
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who's very, very spiritual, very Christian,
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very theologically sound,
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he was with me during, as I was finishing part one.
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And so I was teaching him politics with my film,
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he was teaching me theology.
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And right as I was finishing it, he's like,
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man, I wish you would have got Vodie Bockum for this film.
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Have you, and I'd never heard that name.
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And he showed me some videos and I was like, wow, you know,
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the guy really understood Marxism in a way I'd never heard.
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I mean, obviously it's Vodie Bockum.
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He's very poised, very articulate.
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One of the greatest, you know, pastors of our time.
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So, but I'd already finished the film.
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Fast forward, we get into part two.
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And I think one of the very first conversations
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that we had, Chad's like, what do you think
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about getting Vodie Bockum?
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I said, yeah, let's get that guy.
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And my producer reached out and he responded.
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And he turns out he had been a fan of part one
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and he agreed to let us interview him.
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And, you know, I'm glad he did
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because I think his contribution to part two
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is could be life changing for some people.
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- It's so hefty.
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Like when I was sitting in the theater watching it,
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like, so I remember, Justin, when I saw the teaser image,
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the first teaser image I saw that Uncle Tom two was coming,
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had Vodie Bockum on it and I was like, no freaking way.
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Yes, like I was so excited.
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And, you know, I agree with you that I think
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that he is one of the most important pastors of our time
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and more and more people are coming to that realization.
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And he also delivers the most memorable line
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of the entire film, in my opinion.
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And it was right before the title screen appears.
20:56
This is about 12, 12 and a half minutes into the film
20:58
and I wanna read his quote here, it's this.
21:00
Images are powerful.
21:02
You look on churches, powerful images of saints
21:04
and figures from the Bible and the goal to communicate
21:07
the metanarrative of scripture, who we are,
21:09
why we're here and what's wrong with the world
21:11
and how can what is wrong be made right?
21:14
Your worldview, your religion answers those questions.
21:17
What we're seeing today is another religion
21:19
communicating another metanarrative and another worldview.
21:23
And these murals are the stained glass windows
21:26
of this new religion.
21:28
Now, the murals he's referring to are the murals
21:31
of, you know, Michael Brown or George Floyd
21:35
or any of these other people that in a lot of circumstances
21:38
were killed while in police custody,
21:40
but were not murdered by racist white police officers
21:43
that were out hunting them that day.
21:46
And a lot of people that are in that community
21:48
and I'm always a little bit weird
21:48
about saying the black community
21:50
'cause it's made up of a bunch of individuals,
21:51
but just for ease of terminology,
21:53
when the black community kind of comes around these people
21:56
and lionizes people like that, it becomes a major issue.
22:00
And for me, that was a jumping off point
22:02
for the rest of the film.
22:03
Is that why you kind of put it right before the title screen?
22:06
- Definitely, yeah.
22:08
I mean, that whole conversation evolves.
22:11
We shot, that voting interview was the same day
22:15
that we shot Darryl and Virgil
22:17
and we were at a founders conference.
22:20
We had just got back from Baltimore,
22:24
Chad, Ryder, and myself,
22:26
and well, they were at Baltimore
22:28
and they had shot a bunch of these murals.
22:32
And it was kind of dawning on us
22:34
like, why does every neighborhood, inner city neighborhood
22:38
have these giant murals of Trayvon Martin and these guys?
22:43
So the conversation was around that
22:47
'cause it was kind of fresh in our minds.
22:50
And I feel like they all delivered,
22:51
but that when Vodie likened it to stained glass windows
22:55
and likened it to religion,
22:56
it's exactly what it is.
23:00
And for me, Uncle Tom, too,
23:03
if you peel it back far enough, it's God versus man.
23:07
You can get into the weeds with all the nuances,
23:10
but it's you either follow God or you follow man.
23:13
And that's what the film's about for me.
23:18
And that's why that line of Vodie Bakam takes us into the film.
23:23
- When it sets you up, again, I'm not a cinematographer,
23:26
so I'm not gonna go too far outside of my lane here,
23:29
but just the imagery of being able to show,
23:31
transpose the images of these murals with stained glass windows
23:36
and kind of go back and forth.
23:37
It was very visually powerful for me for a film
23:39
that is completely in black and white,
23:41
but it's so interesting when you're looking
23:43
at these stained glass windows,
23:44
you're not seeing them in black and white,
23:46
you're seeing them how you normally see them,
23:47
which is with this unbelievable mosaic and array of colors.
23:50
And so I think that that's very important as well.
23:52
But you talk about the struggle between man and God,
23:54
and that's where you start getting into the world
23:56
of Marxism, communism, humanism, secular humanism,
24:00
all those different things.
24:01
And you do talk about in the film
24:03
about how humans are so susceptible
24:06
to these utopian ideas of Marxism, communism,
24:09
so on and so forth.
24:10
And it's because we want the gifts of the Father
24:13
without the Father.
24:15
We want the blessings without acknowledging
24:17
where they come from.
24:18
And so I guess this is somewhat of an unfair question
24:20
because it could open us up to a three hour philosophical
24:23
discussion, but why are humans so susceptible
24:26
to utopian ideas?
24:27
And yet they can't just make that one little mind shift
24:30
to be like, these are just the good gifts of God.
24:33
- Well, another votey line in the film,
24:36
what these ideologies do is they erase God
24:40
while fulfilling that desire and the heart
24:43
to see all things made right.
24:45
- Right, the cosmic justice that a Thomas Sol
24:48
or someone else would write about saying,
24:49
like if you don't believe there is cosmic justice,
24:52
you have to demand justice on this planet
24:55
and you're willing to throw Molotov cocktails to get it.
24:57
- Yeah, and if you look at Marx,
25:00
the step one in Marxism is removing people from God.
25:05
And once you do that, you're able to fill that vacuum
25:14
because we're all wired, we're all built to worship God,
25:19
to give glory to God.
25:24
But the further we get away from them,
25:25
you still have those desires and you still have that need
25:28
and you still have a need for a savior.
25:30
But if you don't know, if you've been captured
25:33
by these ideologies and you're not familiar with scripture
25:38
and you're not familiar with God's word,
25:40
then you're susceptible.
25:42
And I think that's what's happened in our country.
25:45
I think America is fascinating.
25:46
I think why Uncle Tom II is so fascinating
25:49
is because America has been such a tough nut to crack.
25:53
If you look at the history of communism and Marxism,
25:57
the East was very easy to capture, right?
26:03
Asia, China, Vietnam,
26:06
because they weren't starting with a Christian worldview.
26:09
It's been the West that has been a slow gradual shift
26:14
because in my opinion, when it comes to Americans,
26:18
if you know the Constitution and you know American history
26:22
and you know the Bible, you cannot be controlled.
26:25
You just can't.
26:26
And so they realized that 120 years ago
26:30
and they've been just chipping away
26:31
at us a little bit at a time.
26:34
- I think you're absolutely right.
26:35
And it goes into something else that you talk about
26:37
in the film and that's the role that mandatory
26:40
government education plays in all this.
26:42
Okay, so 'cause again, we love to lament
26:44
and this is pointed out beautifully in the film.
26:46
And guys, just as a side note,
26:47
we can't get into every single part of the film today
26:49
because we don't wanna go over all that
26:51
'cause then you're not gonna wanna watch it,
26:52
but I do wanna hit some of the high points
26:54
and leave some meat on the bone.
26:55
You'll certainly know what I mean later
26:57
when we get into some stuff towards the end.
26:58
But the education system,
27:01
the fact that we're lamenting that you can't have prayer
27:03
in school or Bible reading in school,
27:05
misses the point that we shouldn't have government school
27:08
to begin with, that the reason why you don't see education
27:11
talked about in the constitution
27:12
is because education was handled in the home.
27:15
It was handled by the local community,
27:16
by the church community.
27:18
So I guess, Justin, what does the role
27:20
of mandatory government education play
27:22
in all this kind of tilt towards the Marxist ideas we're seeing?
27:25
- Well, it creates social justice mindset.
27:32
It creates social justice warriors.
27:34
The brilliance of Marxism and these worldviews
27:39
is that these people that have this worldview,
27:43
they understand human nature, they understand psychology.
27:49
And so in "Uncle Tom II,"
27:51
it was important to show that once government education
27:56
was formed, they didn't just pull the plug.
28:00
You were able to pray in public schools until the '60s,
28:04
so they knew step one was just to create
28:09
a federal public school system
28:13
and gradually, over time, move us
28:17
in the direction they wanna go.
28:19
And our lives are very short,
28:22
so it only takes a couple of generations
28:25
for your history to be rewritten, your morality,
28:28
your faith, the things that hold you together
28:33
to be shifted.
28:35
And that's why for a lot of people in our country right now,
28:40
the last five years have just been such a shock
28:44
and they don't know how we ended up here.
28:46
They don't know what's going on,
28:48
but they've been working at this for a very long time.
28:51
And it's just incredible for me personally.
28:57
I'm almost 40 years old.
28:58
I'm just now learning this history myself.
29:03
Right.
29:05
By making these films and meeting these incredible people,
29:10
I'm just now learning our nation's history, real history.
29:14
I'm just now learning the gospels.
29:17
So if you look back
29:21
in the before mandatory government education,
29:25
just read, this is something else out,
29:28
just read Thomas Jefferson.
29:31
People act like we've evolved.
29:32
Read, yeah, I was watching Ken Burns Civil War.
29:37
Right, yeah.
29:38
And a big device he uses is he uses letters
29:43
from real soldiers and they're sending these letters home.
29:46
And these are Southern Confederate farmers or what have you.
29:51
These are poor farmers
29:55
or poor industrial workers that are fighting in this war.
29:59
But the language is beautiful.
30:00
The handwriting is beautiful.
30:03
So we were so much more educated back then.
30:08
And now, I look at myself like my vocabulary,
30:12
like my oratory skills are nowhere near what they were.
30:15
And that's because we're public school educated.
30:18
We don't learn phonics.
30:19
We don't learn how to read properly, how to reason.
30:23
So for myself personally,
30:28
I'm just now catching up right now.
30:31
And God has chosen me to be the vehicle
30:34
to put these films together.
30:36
But these things have changed me in every way.
30:40
And I hope that people are getting something out of these
30:45
because it's new for us too.
30:48
We're not like some master historians.
30:50
It's like, we're learning all this stuff
30:53
for the first time as well.
30:55
- Yeah, I mean, I would say that it's a foregone conclusion
30:58
that people are getting something out of this
31:00
because I'm with you.
31:01
Like I remember I did everything I could in school
31:03
to not read the books, right?
31:05
I would read the spark notes of whatever chapters
31:08
we were going over for, you know,
31:10
you know, Lord of the Flies or Fahrenheit 451 or whatever.
31:14
And I just wouldn't just read the damn book.
31:16
And it was like, you know, now I'm like,
31:18
I'm going back and reading these books like you idiot.
31:20
Like you could have known some of these things.
31:22
You could have picked stuff out of animal farm
31:24
and you would have had it as old hat inside your brain
31:26
as opposed to reading it in your mid 30s and having
31:28
your mind blown.
31:29
But part of the thing is, is when you see these men
31:32
on the street videos, which I'm sure you've seen a lot
31:34
of those and people get asked the most basic of questions,
31:37
how many states are there?
31:38
Like what ocean is on the east coast of the United States?
31:41
Who is the first president?
31:43
You know, just different things like that.
31:45
And kids, young people, kids in college have no idea.
31:49
And so it's not too tough to extrapolate that out
31:52
to the Holocaust or all the horrors of the 20th century.
31:56
You know, that befell people in China or Cambodia
31:59
or Vietnam or Germany or the Soviet Union or anywhere.
32:02
And it's because our kids aren't learning it.
32:04
So I think that's something that your films are doing.
32:06
But also one thing that your film does, Justin,
32:08
is that you highlight several people in the film
32:11
that are in some way responsible
32:13
for what we're seeing today.
32:14
But these people aren't household names, okay?
32:16
And I'm going to say some of them obviously, you know,
32:18
'cause you can check it out in the film, guys.
32:20
But one of those people is Saul Alinsky, okay?
32:22
He plays a very prominent role in what we're seeing today
32:26
in our current society and culture.
32:27
So give us a primer on who Saul Alinsky is
32:31
and why don't all Americans know who he is?
32:33
- Yeah, Saul Alinsky, I think in the conservative, you know,
32:39
he's been in several conservative documentaries
32:41
over the past several years.
32:43
He is considered the father of community organizing.
32:47
And he was a Marxist who was able to strategically
32:54
go into industrial towns and mobilize the underclass,
32:59
the have-nots.
33:06
And a lot of times this was black Americans
33:09
and mobilize them to wreak havoc
33:12
and create problems in these towns.
33:17
And I think he's probably the most practical example
33:22
of how Marxism works on a strategic level,
33:27
to go in and create discontent
33:31
and to create a class warfare or, you know,
33:35
oppressor, oppress conflict and friction.
33:40
So what I think makes the Saul Alinsky moment
33:49
in Uncle Tom II special is that we were able
33:53
to find some films that were shot in the '60s
33:58
that I don't believe anyone's really seen.
34:00
These were done by a Canadian film company
34:02
and we found them in an archive.
34:07
I can't remember which one we found those in,
34:09
but I'd never seen this footage before.
34:12
And he's very brash, he's very, you know,
34:19
almost bragging about his ability to
34:22
wield these people to do his bidding.
34:25
So, you know, I think that the footage is shocking people
34:31
and even people that study Marxism and know about Alinsky
34:36
are surprised that we were able to find this footage.
34:40
And, you know, I think my theory is that in the '60s
34:44
they felt like they were winning,
34:45
they felt like the revolution was coming.
34:49
And the same way we saw the arrogance
34:54
of Black Lives Matter, that's kind of what you see
34:56
in those film reels, where they're able to reveal
34:59
and kind of brag about their crimes
35:02
and brag about their strategies on camera
35:04
because they feel like the revolution is coming.
35:08
- Well, and they brag about it
35:09
because they know there won't be any consequences.
35:11
And like I've heard several conservative commentators,
35:13
they're just like, man, it would be awesome
35:15
to be a liberal for a day, just a day
35:18
because you can just say whatever you want.
35:20
And there's not gonna be any fact checks,
35:21
there's not gonna be any, well,
35:22
this is what you said a week ago.
35:24
And I was saying something completely different,
35:25
do you care to explain?
35:26
And so obviously they feel like they're a little bit
35:28
insulated from all those things.
35:30
And again, to kind of even go a little bit further
35:32
into the education point, there are names
35:35
that kids may hear in their education,
35:37
but they don't get an education on these people.
35:40
And so two of the names that are featured prominently
35:42
in the film are Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois.
35:46
And those are two guys that they may be names
35:48
that you think of.
35:49
And for a lot of people that may be like,
35:50
oh, did one of those, are they inventors?
35:52
'Cause Black History Month, you hear all these inventors
35:55
like, oh, a black guy invented peanut butter.
35:56
You think it may be one of those guys.
35:59
But those two and the struggle that they had with each other
36:03
ideologically while they're alive
36:05
is very indicative of the struggle today
36:08
between most of the cast members of your two films,
36:11
Uncle Tom and everybody else in the quote unquote,
36:14
black community or the liberal community
36:16
or whatever zeitgeist you wanna define it as.
36:19
And so again, we can't get into a deep dive
36:21
on Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois right here.
36:24
But why are those two people so important
36:27
for Americans to understand and specifically
36:30
the differences between the two philosophies of those men?
36:33
- Well, I think that that is why they are important
36:36
is because they are, it couldn't be more clear
36:39
the different worldviews that those men had.
36:43
And the reason why we spend so much time with them
36:45
and Uncle Tom too, is because it's the easiest way
36:50
to explain this is what happens when you follow God
36:56
and you follow God's law and you as a man,
37:01
you take care of your family,
37:04
you take care of your community
37:06
and this is what happens without God.
37:09
And when you demand rights and when you demand
37:14
prosperity to be given to you.
37:19
And I think the Harlem aspect of Uncle Tom too
37:24
was probably one of my favorite parts of the film
37:28
is because I had no idea that Booker T. Washington
37:32
was so instrumental in building Harlem.
37:36
It was his Negro Business League and the men
37:40
that he was training up that went into the North
37:44
and made these prosperous neighborhoods.
37:46
They were taking that Tuskegee thought process
37:50
and we can see the fruit of it.
37:52
We have film.
37:53
If you look at film of Harlem in 1930s,
37:55
the streets are clean, everyone's dressed,
37:59
beautifully suits, hats.
38:02
And fast, you know, go 20, 30 years
38:06
as Booker T. Washington, I'm sorry,
38:10
as W.B. Du Bois philosophy starts to take hold
38:13
and what do you see?
38:14
You see rotted out buildings, you see trash everywhere,
38:18
you see despair, you see anger.
38:21
So I think that it's very important to tell that story
38:25
because there's not a more clear way
38:29
to see what these two different ideology
38:33
and two different world views produce.
38:35
- Yeah, basically what comes from those things,
38:38
like both of those things create a ripple effect.
38:40
And then it's like, can we just compare these things
38:42
to one another and say which of these things would you prefer?
38:45
And so it seems like a lot of people in modernity
38:48
are kind of doubling down on stupid.
38:50
And part of it is because they don't know their history
38:52
and they don't understand the narrative
38:55
that they have been swept up into.
38:57
And one of the biggest things,
38:58
because I'm born and bred Oklahoma.
39:00
And so everything that has to do with Oklahoma history,
39:03
I'm very, very interested in,
39:05
but there's one piece of Oklahoma history
39:07
that has always bothered me.
39:08
And I've always struggled to really put my finger
39:12
on the narrative and that's the Tulsa race riots,
39:15
which have now been renamed and rebranded,
39:17
I guess you can say, as the Tulsa race massacre.
39:20
And so in the documentary, you go right at the heart
39:23
of the narrative of the Tulsa race,
39:25
we'll just call it the massacre
39:26
as we'll use their terminology that they use.
39:29
And so there are a lot of things that are wrong
39:32
with the commonly held beliefs about what happened
39:35
in Oklahoma in 1921.
39:37
And to be honest with you,
39:39
I had bought in to the narrative
39:42
that was being fed to me for the most part
39:45
because it's like, look, I've got a lot of things going on,
39:47
raising a family, running a business, doing all that.
39:50
I didn't have a whole lot of time
39:51
to dig into the weeds on the Tulsa race riots
39:54
to get a fully fledged opinion
39:55
'cause it just hadn't come up in my work, honestly, Justin.
39:58
But after I watched that film,
40:00
I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so stupid.
40:03
Because I wasn't aware of some of the things that came
40:06
just a few years after these incidences.
40:09
So if you could, just in a minor way,
40:11
'cause I do wanna leave some meat on the bone.
40:13
So guys, don't watch the film.
40:14
What is wrong with most of the commonly held beliefs
40:17
about what happened in Tulsa in 1921?
40:20
- Well, we did a really deep dive on Tulsa.
40:24
And I was kind of struggling
40:28
with how much of it to put into the film
40:31
because you could make an entire documentary on that.
40:34
- You could make a series, yeah.
40:36
- You could.
40:37
And the deception and the things that are unknown
40:41
to all of us, but we put the puzzle together.
40:45
But I chose to just choose one aspect to talk about.
40:50
And I believe as we make more of these films
40:54
that we're gonna spend more time there.
40:56
But the important thing to me was to realize
41:00
that even if you accept the narrative
41:02
that's been given to us, even if you buy into it
41:06
that white people just hated black people
41:08
and that white people were willing to just do this
41:11
heinous act, what happened with black people in Tulsa?
41:18
They rebuilt, they rebuilt in less than five years.
41:24
And the footage is bigger.
41:26
And I mean, the footage shows
41:28
that Tulsa was bigger and better than it was before.
41:32
Now, the reason why that was important for me
41:34
is because in my research, when you watch stories
41:37
about Tulsa, the footage that we found
41:42
is shown to the audience as what Tulsa was
41:45
before this massacre, before the riot happened.
41:49
- Right, right.
41:50
- Well, we found that footage.
41:53
We found all of the film reels that were shot
41:57
by a pastor named Solomon Sir Jones.
42:00
He shot about 16, he shot six hours of 16 millimeter
42:05
in the early 1920s all over the South.
42:08
I mean, but he was from Oklahoma.
42:10
So there was a lot of footage from Oklahoma.
42:13
He had the foresight to slate all the footage.
42:17
So before he shoots every bit of footage,
42:20
he has this board, he tells you what the date is,
42:23
where he's at and what's happening in the footage,
42:27
who's farming's at, who's oil, well, he's at, what city he's at.
42:32
And so as we're like going through it,
42:36
we're seeing this footage for the first time.
42:39
And initially, it was just like,
42:41
oh my God, look at all this black prosperity.
42:44
And it was everywhere in the South.
42:46
So that was the first kind of high we got
42:48
from discovering this man's footage.
42:51
It wasn't until later, when we're in Tulsa,
42:54
where he shows a Negro Business League parade
42:57
happening in Tulsa, 1925.
43:01
And then the whole film reel is Tulsa in 1925.
43:05
And that's when the light bulb went on.
43:07
It's like, well, 1921, it was burnt down.
43:10
Then we find out there's the footage of men working.
43:14
That's them rebuilding Tulsa.
43:16
So for me, the important part for part two
43:19
that I wanted to show is that black America
43:22
had yet to be demoralized in 1921.
43:25
Black America, so even if we accept the narrative of Tulsa,
43:30
what did they do?
43:32
They got back to work.
43:34
They made it better.
43:35
And they had that American spirit.
43:38
And it's obvious why they would hide it.
43:41
This footage that this man shot should be in every school.
43:45
Like, why am I finding six hours of black prosperity
43:49
in an archive?
43:51
Why?
43:52
Well, it makes sense because if you're seeing black America,
43:58
living prosperous, normal, intact families,
44:02
going to church, eating in restaurants,
44:04
if you're showing that life in the 1920s,
44:07
that destroys the entire narrative
44:10
that we've been told our whole life.
44:12
Because every movie that I've seen growing up,
44:16
black people couldn't even walk down the street
44:18
in the South in the 1920s.
44:21
So that's what Tulsa was important to us.
44:25
There is more to the story.
44:26
There is a lot of things that will give more clarity
44:30
of how that riot was started and who was behind that.
44:34
But for this one, we wanted to just,
44:36
because this film is showing the worldviews,
44:39
we're gonna give them the narrative for now.
44:41
Like, okay, we'll give you your narrative.
44:44
This was burned down.
44:45
But even if that, even if that's where the story ends,
44:49
what happened?
44:50
They rebuilt it.
44:51
And life went on in Tulsa until the 1960s.
44:55
That's whenever Tulsa started to fall apart.
44:57
- It's so nefarious, Justin,
45:00
that the specifics of the film reels being showed
45:05
as what Tulsa was like before this horribly racist incident,
45:10
when that was stuff that came after the rebuilding.
45:12
Like that's the part that really gets me where it's like,
45:15
oh man, this is not an accident.
45:17
Now there are people that will accidentally use pictures
45:20
and they'll use them out of chronological order,
45:22
they'll use films.
45:23
And like, so you have to give a little bit of grace to that.
45:26
But that's not what we've seen.
45:28
You would think over the last 100 years,
45:31
somebody would have noticed, like,
45:33
oh, that film reel you're showing has a timestamp.
45:36
And it's way after when you're purportedly saying it is,
45:40
but one thing that you were getting into there, Justin,
45:42
is basically this discussion about black culture.
45:46
And a lot of what we see in modernity is,
45:48
and you talk about this in the film,
45:50
is black culture equals victim culture.
45:52
That's what people have been convinced to do.
45:54
So Officer Brandon Tatum or former Officer Brandon Tatum,
45:57
he talked about that in the film
45:59
and he specifically mentions how we, you know,
46:01
lionized people like Jay-Z and Cardi B
46:03
and George Floyd and these type of people.
46:05
And these are people that don't check any or most
46:09
of the moral and ethical boxes that we would see
46:12
from role models of previous generations,
46:14
even still within the black community.
46:16
Like, we have little kids that are trying to grow up
46:18
to be Cardi B someday.
46:20
Cardi B, the woman that used to drug, you know,
46:24
men when she was a prostitute,
46:26
and steal money and jewelry from them.
46:28
Like, that's the, and she's never like,
46:30
said that was a bad thing
46:31
and that she's repented of that lifestyle.
46:32
Like, that's what little girls are like,
46:34
I wanna be Cardi B someday.
46:35
And it's just like, oh my gosh, it's so mind-blowing.
46:37
So talk to me a little bit about how a lot of black culture
46:42
has been swept up with these kind of really bad examples
46:45
of morality from some of these people.
46:47
And, you know, a guy like George Floyd
46:48
was a horrifically terrible human being
46:50
that shouldn't have died that day,
46:51
but he's somewhat culpable in his own death
46:53
because of the things that he did and the decisions
46:55
that he made that led up to even his interaction
46:58
with that police officer.
46:59
But how black culture has kind of fed
47:01
into this overall victim narrative,
47:03
even though people from that culture
47:05
are looking at these highly successful black people
47:07
that were successful in America, right?
47:10
- Well, I think that's the reason why
47:14
we don't learn about Booker T. Washington in school.
47:18
I mean, if you read up from slavery and his other books,
47:24
you get the feeling that he's one of the most important
47:28
Americans to ever live.
47:31
He, what an incredible story.
47:35
And so for a culture that is obsessed with race,
47:39
obsessed with blackness and being black,
47:42
why is he not put up on a pedestal?
47:46
Another point that has been made to several people
47:50
that have watched the film is why I have all these images
47:54
that you guys have unearthed.
47:55
Like, why were these buried?
47:58
And the point is, is that if you can see something
48:03
that inspires you, if you can see something,
48:08
if you can see a formula that works for prosperity,
48:11
then you're going to strive to be that.
48:16
And if you strive to be independent and prosperous
48:20
and live a decent life, then you don't live in fear
48:24
and need people to take care of you
48:26
and fight on your behalf.
48:28
So it's very strategic.
48:30
I mean, the first thing that dictators
48:33
or anybody that wants to rule over you does
48:35
is they erase your history.
48:38
And one of my favorite lines in the film is Dr. Carson.
48:40
It's like, when you don't know your history,
48:42
you don't know where you come from
48:44
and you don't know what your morals and your values are.
48:47
And so when it comes to black America,
48:49
this debauchery and hip hop and drug use and gang banging,
48:54
that's all been manufactured
48:57
since around the 1930s, 40s coming out of the Harlem Renaissance.
49:02
And that's the material that we're going to get into in part three.
49:06
That's a big part of part three.
49:08
And we had already assembled a lot of the storylines,
49:11
but we felt that it was going a little bit too
49:14
into the rabbit hole for people to understand
49:19
like how black culture in the black image was created
49:24
by most of the time white Marxist, white socialist
49:29
that exploited the lowest end of the black culture
49:34
and put them on a pedestal.
49:37
And that's the thing with Uncle Tom one,
49:40
I think what was so shocking for people
49:42
is that blacks were conservative, right?
49:45
Like when I was in production for that,
49:47
people would come up to me and say,
49:48
"Oh, where'd you find them?"
49:50
Or, you know, all three of them, you put, you know,
49:53
and it's like the thing is,
49:55
is that there's always been black conservatives.
49:57
It's just they're not put on television.
50:01
They're not put in history books.
50:03
They're, you know, they're not prominent in mainstream.
50:06
I mean, look how Clarence Thomas is treated, you know?
50:09
- Right.
50:09
- Look how, you know, Herman Cain was treated.
50:12
A man that was like grew up in the South, you know,
50:16
that during the most oppressive time
50:18
of American history, supposedly grew up in Atlanta
50:22
during the '50s and '60s
50:24
and went on to be a rocket scientist and a CEO.
50:29
Why is he not celebrated?
50:31
- Right.
50:32
- You know, and so that in, I think with black America,
50:36
they were kind of the testing ground.
50:39
They were the low hanging fruit,
50:40
but it's happening to all America now, you know?
50:43
It's not just black people.
50:46
It's all of us are demoralized and, you know,
50:50
growing up in homes without fathers in them.
50:52
So they were just the starting point.
50:54
So we can look at their history and learn from it.
50:59
- I mean, I absolutely think that is the big thing
51:01
that when people do a univariate analysis of, say,
51:04
a white police officer shooting a black person
51:06
or of the plight of a particular population group,
51:09
you can say, oh, there's racism here
51:11
because look at this inequality.
51:14
But then when you start digging several layers down deep,
51:17
then you start getting into the family structure,
51:19
the nuclear family and how the United States government
51:21
basically was trying to woo women in the black community
51:25
away from, you know, the responsibility
51:28
of being a mother inside of a marriage inside of the home,
51:31
wooing the men out of the homes as well.
51:33
But I guess the overall thing that I was thinking about
51:35
with this movie as well is in this,
51:37
the film certainly focuses on that is that over time,
51:40
black Americans were wooed away from Christianity,
51:44
were wooed away from the church,
51:45
were wooed away from the oppressive patriarchal
51:49
nuclear family structure and towards daddy government.
51:52
And we're going to let the daddy government take care of us
51:54
and they're going to feed our kids
51:56
and they're going to take care of us
51:57
and we don't need to do anything.
51:58
I forget who said it in the film,
52:00
but it's like when you drive around a lot of these neighborhoods,
52:03
you see generations worth of black men
52:05
standing on the street corners, not doing anything
52:07
where if they are doing something,
52:09
what they're doing is illegal.
52:10
And then we're supposed to feel bad for them
52:12
if they get caught up in some sort of a sting.
52:14
So talk a little bit about that,
52:15
about kind of that overall wooing process
52:17
because there's not really one person
52:20
or one earthly entity that you could pin that on,
52:23
but it's just been this progressive milieu
52:26
of a combination of negative factors
52:28
over the last several decades that have kind of got us here.
52:30
- Yeah, from, you know, if you go back to the garden of Eden,
52:36
it's like, how does Satan deceive Eve?
52:39
You know, he twists the truth a little bit.
52:42
You know, I mean, that's why we spend a lot of time
52:45
in the film showing what these ideologies are selling you.
52:50
They're selling you utopia.
52:53
I remember being in high school
52:54
and the little bit that we learned
52:56
about the different political systems,
52:59
I remember communism making sense to me
53:01
when I was 17 years old, like, oh yeah, that's great.
53:04
You know, everything's equal and everything's fair.
53:09
So it's not hard to sell people
53:14
this dream of a utopia.
53:17
It's very easy and it's very hard once you've sold it to them
53:21
to change their mind away from it.
53:24
So I mean, that's the battle of the human experience, right?
53:28
I mean, that's what we've always been going through.
53:31
So it's sad to see and I feel like with America,
53:36
we kind of go in this loop where, you know,
53:40
because of capitalism, because of our founding documents,
53:43
because of what we've already done
53:45
and the fruit of our labor,
53:46
we kind of have this prosperity
53:48
that humans have never had before.
53:51
And so we kind of let our guard down, you know?
53:53
I mean, when you're eating three meals a day or more
53:56
and you know, you're 72 degrees all the time
53:59
and you're just kind of going through this life of comfort,
54:04
you're easily, you know, let astray.
54:08
And that's when these people can get in your ear,
54:10
this evil force is getting your hair
54:12
and start kind of slowly moving you in a direction.
54:16
It's when we're on our knees is when we go to God, right?
54:19
I mean, it's like, that's the human experience too.
54:21
And I think right now you're seeing a lot of people,
54:23
my age and younger, that are seeking out God.
54:26
And, you know, for my church, like I see, you know,
54:30
more and more people going to church
54:33
and like your question earlier about us
54:36
not shying away from God in this film.
54:40
It's like, we can only play in the secular space
54:45
for so long before we have to just go to the truth.
54:50
And the truth is, is that, you know, the world is broken
54:54
and we need a savior and, you know,
54:57
we have to have a foundation of truth
54:59
and that foundation is scripture, so.
55:02
- Well, and I think it was Vody that said it in the film,
55:04
it's like we're not fighting against flesh and blood.
55:06
He went right to the book.
55:08
We're fighting against, you know, principalities and powers.
55:10
And I think, again, I appreciate it as a Christian,
55:13
as an evangelical, that that was a strong undertone
55:17
of this film.
55:18
And we've talked about other entities
55:19
that don't do that type of a thing.
55:20
But let's talk about the critical reception.
55:22
I know that this hasn't been out for that terribly long,
55:25
but obviously there were people
55:26
that got to see the pre-screen.
55:27
There have been people that have been watching over
55:29
the last couple of weeks.
55:30
And I did see that on IMDB.
55:32
It was like 9.9 out of a 10 right now.
55:35
And so, and no one pays attention
55:36
to what the critics say on Rotten Tomatoes.
55:38
But on the fan side, it's really high on Rotten Tomatoes
55:40
as well, which is give us an idea of the good and the bad
55:42
in terms of the critical reception for the second film.
55:45
- Yeah, so I mean, as far as the reception, like review,
55:49
the people that are watching 'em with Tom too,
55:50
are reacting to it.
55:52
We've done about eight screenings.
55:54
People are reacting to it.
55:58
People are coming up to me afterwards.
55:59
So the people that are watching it
56:02
are writing these incredible reviews.
56:04
It's almost like my mom wrote all of them, right?
56:06
I mean, it's very incredible.
56:08
And I wake up in the morning and they're coming in
56:11
and it's like, wow, this, you know,
56:12
that as a filmmaker, that gives you a buzz, right?
56:15
Like holy moly, people are really liking this.
56:18
And then you start reading what they're getting out of it.
56:20
And they're, you know, some of the scenes are working
56:24
and you're even learning stuff about your own film.
56:26
So that's been a blessing.
56:27
You know, my hope is that more people do watch it.
56:34
We haven't had as big of a launch
56:36
as far as as many people watching it.
56:39
And maybe they think that part two was unnecessary.
56:44
Typically, documentaries don't have sequels.
56:49
But the way that I view it, you know,
56:51
is like when Ken Burns does a 20-hour documentary
56:53
but he just releases it at once,
56:56
this is gonna be a similar body of work
56:59
when we're done with it.
57:00
It's just, you know, in the conservative Christian,
57:03
whatever, this side of it, you know,
57:06
we gotta be a little bit more scrappy, you know,
57:07
we're a little bit more independent.
57:08
We don't have the Hollywood machine behind us.
57:11
And so I would ask for Christians.
57:13
I would ask for conservatives to support filmmakers,
57:18
write reviews, you know, watch the films
57:21
because, you know, my problem with conservatives
57:25
is that we complain a lot about censorship.
57:27
We complain a lot about the left.
57:29
I mean, that's really all we do
57:31
is we just follow the left and complain about them.
57:34
We need to build our own platforms.
57:37
And you're seeing that with, I mean,
57:38
Daily Wire is doing some great stuff.
57:40
Epic Times is doing some great stuff.
57:42
Our distributor, Salem, they're putting their neck out there,
57:44
releasing films like this, releasing books
57:47
like "Fault Lines", "Vodie Bockham".
57:49
But as conservatives, we need to support each other, you know?
57:53
So I would ask for people to watch these films, you know,
57:57
and go to it.
57:59
So the response has been great.
58:01
I hope that it picks up a little bit of momentum.
58:04
I know that we've been censored on all the platforms.
58:08
So we're going to do everything we can, like your podcast
58:10
and do as many podcasts as we can.
58:12
But really it's just going to come down to,
58:14
if you get something out of the film, if it moves you,
58:18
you have to get on your phone.
58:19
You have to write a review.
58:20
You have to share it because that's where we're at right now.
58:23
And I think Americans don't think
58:26
that what has happened in China and the east can happen here.
58:31
They really feel, even though they can see it,
58:34
they still feel like, well, it's never going to go all the way.
58:37
It's never going to be.
58:39
And that's not true.
58:41
You know, America is very susceptible.
58:43
We're pretty much there.
58:46
I mean, we're really close to some tyranny
58:49
that we've never seen in this country.
58:52
So not to go on a rant about that,
58:54
but I just, I hope that conservatives can step up
58:57
and support each other.
58:58
Even if you don't agree with everything,
59:01
like we've got to build our own Hollywood.
59:04
We've got to build our own media
59:06
because the people that are against this country,
59:09
they own our institutions.
59:11
And they are getting their messaging out.
59:14
So we need to get our messaging out.
59:16
- Well, Justin, just to echo that sentiment,
59:18
I say that all the time as well.
59:19
And I kind of, you know, got my marching orders
59:21
from a Dennis Prager,
59:21
'cause he said something on one of his shows years ago
59:23
where he's like, basically,
59:24
like, I want to give people money that I like.
59:27
And that's what he was saying is he's like,
59:28
if you support what someone does,
59:30
like give them your money.
59:31
Don't just give them your time and attention.
59:33
Like you mentioned "Daily Wire."
59:34
I was a consumer of "Daily Wire" content for years
59:37
and years and years before I gave them a dime of my money.
59:39
And it's like, oh man, I don't know
59:41
that that was the right thing to do
59:42
because I got so much value.
59:43
Same thing is true here, guys.
59:44
Again, the link will be in the show notes.
59:46
You can check out "Uncle Tom II."
59:47
You can watch, you know, each film like, you know,
59:49
in succession or you can watch them out of order.
59:51
It doesn't really matter.
59:52
You don't need to watch part one to understand part two.
59:54
But I am interested about the future
59:55
'cause you've already said here just a second ago
59:58
about part three.
59:59
So I don't know if you want to do this
1:00:01
because the ending of the film was kind of like a,
1:00:04
like for me, I like almost like it barely took my breath away,
1:00:07
not to be too hyperbolic and dramatic.
1:00:09
But at the end of "Uncle Tom II,"
1:00:11
you not so subtly teased that, you know,
1:00:13
part three is coming.
1:00:14
And so I guess, can you tell us what's coming?
1:00:17
Because again, I don't want to ruin the surprise
1:00:19
for anybody, but also when do you expect that
1:00:21
to be released?
1:00:22
You know, what can you tell us about part three?
1:00:24
Are there gonna be new cast members?
1:00:25
How many parts of "Uncle Tom" do you foresee?
1:00:27
Kind of give us all the stuff you're comfortable sharing.
1:00:30
- Sure.
1:00:31
So, you know, again, we had so much material.
1:00:35
We went really far into the rabbit hole on part two.
1:00:40
And we just kept working and working.
1:00:41
And we looked up one day and we had, you know,
1:00:44
four and a half, five, maybe even five hours of just scenes.
1:00:50
And we had gone so far in
1:00:52
that we had become a little bit numb
1:00:54
and a little bit not as shocked with the material
1:00:57
because when you're editing,
1:00:58
you're obviously going through the same thing
1:01:00
over and over again.
1:01:01
So you've become a little desensitized to it.
1:01:04
When we started showing some of the scenes to people,
1:01:07
what is in part two now was a little bit,
1:01:12
not old hat for us, but, you know,
1:01:14
we were further in on the shocking side of this history.
1:01:20
So it was actually Larry Elder who kind of guided us back
1:01:24
and said, let's meet people where they're at.
1:01:27
Let's, you know, this is juicy material.
1:01:31
And you're going to lose people if you go too far ahead.
1:01:35
So we decided that there was going to be a third installment.
1:01:39
Where that's going to go is it's going to pick up, you know,
1:01:43
where part two leaves off.
1:01:45
I mean, we kind of dropped some heavy stuff on people.
1:01:48
People are having a little bit of trouble.
1:01:50
Some people are having a little bit of trouble with it.
1:01:51
But after a day or two,
1:01:53
we're getting these messages like, it's, you know,
1:01:56
it took me a couple of days, but, you know,
1:01:58
and they're going back and they're watching it a second
1:02:00
and a third and a fourth time.
1:02:02
So we're going to pick up and get a little bit deeper
1:02:05
in, you know, the '60s.
1:02:08
Now that we've explained Marxism,
1:02:10
we've explained the history of communism in America
1:02:13
and you understand the ideologies a little bit more,
1:02:16
now we can go in deeper and get a little bit more nuanced
1:02:19
with that information.
1:02:21
We can introduce new characters.
1:02:22
We can, you know, get into some of the people
1:02:25
that were behind the civil rights movement,
1:02:27
some of the people that were behind Tulsa, you know,
1:02:29
now that you, now, my goal for two was to explain
1:02:33
the worldviews, to just say there are two ways to go.
1:02:38
You know, you can go with God or you can go with man.
1:02:41
It gets very convoluted and very nuanced after that.
1:02:44
But that's for me personally,
1:02:45
like those are your choices.
1:02:47
That's it, you know, and so part three is going to go deeper
1:02:52
into the history where people are going to be more,
1:02:56
you know, receptive and able to understand the nuance
1:03:00
and culture, you know.
1:03:01
We tease the culture up, like with the Brandon Tatum line,
1:03:05
but we really want to get into what happened
1:03:08
to America at large culturally, but what is blackness?
1:03:13
Like, when you think of black culture in America,
1:03:18
why do you think, why does a certain image pop in your head?
1:03:21
You know, like what, like this hip hop culture,
1:03:24
where does that come from?
1:03:27
And people are going to be shocked to find out
1:03:29
where this image of black America came from
1:03:34
and who was behind it.
1:03:35
So I think part two is the next step after part one.
1:03:40
ABL did a review on part two.
1:03:42
He said, I would watch part one first
1:03:44
'cause you get your feet wet,
1:03:46
but part two is going to throw you in the deep end.
1:03:48
I think part three is we're just going to, you know,
1:03:51
keep meeting people where they're at and adding to it.
1:03:55
So for me as a director, I, you know,
1:03:57
I'm committed to do a third.
1:03:58
You know, I think, you know,
1:04:02
I've committed to do a third film.
1:04:03
I think I'll probably be done with the Uncle Tom,
1:04:07
which is now becoming a franchise, I guess.
1:04:09
I'll be done with the Uncle Tom franchise after that.
1:04:12
But who knows from there?
1:04:13
You know, I mean, again, like Ken Burns, you know,
1:04:16
he'll spend 20, 30 hours on one film
1:04:20
because he's telling a lot of history.
1:04:22
So maybe Uncle Tom will end up, you know,
1:04:24
growing to be that large of a production.
1:04:28
We're just going at it, you know, how we can.
1:04:31
Like we don't have an endowment to spend seven years
1:04:34
on a film, you know, we're using independent money
1:04:37
and donations to produce these one at a time.
1:04:40
So again, I encourage people to support us if, you know,
1:04:43
if you want conservative films to be made
1:04:45
and if you want us to keep going, you know, just stream it,
1:04:50
you know, by the thing that helps us pay the team
1:04:53
and keep making these films, you know.
1:04:55
- Absolutely get the word out to as many people as possible.
1:04:57
I'm glad to hear that it's going to continue to go
1:04:59
into the future and my encouragement to you would be
1:05:01
is to not take your foot off the gas.
1:05:03
I know that there are times where it's like,
1:05:04
okay, I don't know if we should push here or push there.
1:05:06
But the first film, yes, I think that's an afterwave
1:05:08
describing it, getting your feet wet,
1:05:09
but the second film, it's going to force seawater
1:05:13
up your nose and like in a good way,
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'cause you're really going to have to reckon
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with the things that are said.
1:05:16
So as we wind you close here, Justin,
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I like to do something towards the end of some of my interviews.
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It's a lightning round.
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It's called, what would you say to someone that said?
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to say,
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what would you say to someone that said?
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And then I'm going to fill in the blank.
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And regardless of what I say, you get a maximum of 30 seconds
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to answer my question, okay?
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So this is full on lightning round,
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got to get to a quick mean potatoes.
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This sounds like what they'll use to take me out of context,
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'cause I told you I'm not an orator, right?
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So I'll play ball, but you know,
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I normally don't do the interviews like this, so.
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- Hey, well, that's what I do.
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I'm all about making people as uncomfortable as possible.
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That's like one of my life lessons.
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Okay, good.
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You do it in the film version,
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I do it in the interview version.
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So let's do this first one,
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and this just kind of ease into it here.
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What would you say to someone that said,
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"Uncle Tom and Uncle Tom Two are racist films."
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Watch them and explain yourself.
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- Fair enough, let's keep going.
1:06:15
What would you say to someone that said,
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"Justin Malone simply can't understand the plight
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"of blacks in America because he's white."
1:06:21
- That's silly, we're all human
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and we all come from struggle and pain and suffering.
1:06:30
- All right, next one here.
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What would you say to someone that said,
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"Reparations must be paid in order for black people
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"to be equal to white people."
1:06:39
- Reparations haven't been paid through the welfare state
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and go to the neighborhoods where people receive reparations.
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- Not a place that most people would want to live.
1:06:47
All right, next question here.
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What would you say to someone that said,
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"Black people need more money, not more Jesus talk."
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- If you don't have a foundation
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and if you don't have morals and values,
1:07:01
then you can't handle money properly.
1:07:03
- And if you don't drink a living water,
1:07:07
you will be thirsty again.
1:07:08
We know that as well.
1:07:10
What would you say to someone that said,
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"We should all strive for equity."
1:07:13
- I would run away from anyone that says that
1:07:18
and cut them out of your life completely.
1:07:22
That is Marxist language and it always ends in destruction.
1:07:27
- All right, just a few more left.
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We haven't gotten you canceled yet.
1:07:31
So let's see if we can do it in the last three.
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What would you say to someone that said,
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"Marxism will work, it just hasn't been done right yet."
1:07:39
- You're a silly fool.
1:07:40
- Not much more need to be settled on that one.
1:07:43
Two more left.
1:07:44
What would you say to someone that said,
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"Black lives matter."
1:07:46
- Yes, I agree with that.
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I agree, black lives matter, all lives matter.
1:07:52
- Ooh, that was super racist of you to say,
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"All lives matter."
1:07:56
How dare you, Justin, last one of the day,
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what would you say to someone that said,
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"Justin Malone is a racist."
1:08:01
- That's like your opinion, man.
1:08:05
I don't know, maybe they have said that.
1:08:08
I don't know, I haven't, I don't know.
1:08:10
I'm sorry you feel that way, you know?
1:08:17
- Yeah, if somebody comes up and throws something like that
1:08:20
in your face, especially if they don't have any receipts,
1:08:22
it's not necessarily something you need to do
1:08:24
to go out of your way to defend yourself.
1:08:26
But Justin, I'm so thankful the time
1:08:27
that we've been able to spend together.
1:08:29
I'm so glad to meet you at the premiere of this film.
1:08:32
I think it's a fantastic film.
1:08:33
I think you've done a great job.
1:08:34
I commend you and your team for the great work
1:08:35
that you've done.
1:08:36
But for now, that's all for me.
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Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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- No, thank you for having me
1:08:41
and thank you for supporting the film.
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It means a lot and I hope your audience enjoys it.
1:08:47
- Can't wait for part three.
1:08:49
Justin Malone, thank you for coming on
1:08:50
to The Life of Man's podcast.
1:08:52
- Thanks.
1:08:53
- There you go, guys.
1:08:54
I hope you enjoyed my time with Justin Malone,
1:08:55
but before I let you go, we are gonna do
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1:09:05
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1:09:07
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I could not recommend it more highly.
1:09:10
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