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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
1:24
Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, we've got a special guest on the podcast today.
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Her name is Julie Proctor.
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So she is one of the founders of Manos de Fei.
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I believe I said that, right?
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My Spanish isn't fantastic, but I just want to read something specifically from their website
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to give you an idea what they do.
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The mission of Manos de Fei is to share the love of Christ while helping impoverished
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families in Chiriqui Panama achieve self-sufficiency and hope for a brighter future.
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Manos de Fei empowers hundreds of people to live healthier, productive, and more faith-filled
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lives through various programs, including family outreach, education, and orphan transition.
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We also work to build sustainability and provide job training through our adjacent farm, vocational
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training, and educational opportunities.
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And so I became aware of Julie and Gary, her husband, because Joby Martin of Church 1122,
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obviously, you guys, you know him here in this audience, he said, "Hey, you've got to talk
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to these people."
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I'm like, "Okay, cool.
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Why?"
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Because just because a friend says, "Hey, you should talk to these people."
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It's not an automatic yes.
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I mean, I get 20, 25 pitches for people to come on the show for everyone that I end up
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bringing on.
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And he's just like, "Look, you want to talk about pushing back darkness?
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These are people that are pushing back darkness on the front lines every single day."
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And so I was like, "All right, sold."
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And so I started digging in to kind of what they did.
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But it was interesting, the beginning part of this conversation, first 20 minutes or so.
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I'm just talking to Julie about what it was like being there from the very beginning,
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because she was at Beech Church, which is the church that planted and launched Church
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of 1122.
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She was at Beech Church before Joby was, right?
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So then Joby comes in as a youth pastor, and then he's doing his own service.
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And then that becomes 1122, the church.
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So she was there from before the beginning and then at the beginning.
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And now her husband, Gary, is an elder there at Church of 1122.
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And so we got to talk about that process, like how did he become an elder?
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What was it like kind of seeing the transition of the church from this fledgling thing basically
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to this thing that's like a rocket ship and is saturated kind of this thing that's...
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Is this normal?
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And I just really, really enjoyed kind of a behind the scenes look on all the 1122 stuff.
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But then we transitioned into the stuff that they're doing in Panama.
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And I mean, it's kind of rough, guys.
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I mean, they're getting these girls who have been trafficked for a large chunk of their
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life and getting them out and trying to get them back on their feet.
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A lot of these women have children because of the trafficking situation.
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There's not a lot of godly role models, especially male godly role models that are there in this
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environment.
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But we really dig into, okay, what are you all doing on the ground?
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Because again, I mean, I talk about this in the show.
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I'm not naturally that compassionate and I just, you know, there's impoverished people
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all over the planet, right?
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And so why should we care about impoverished people in Panama more than the ones in Bangladesh
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or in, you know, Sudan or in, you know, some parts of America or different things like that.
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And so I really enjoyed her being able to talk about that.
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And then I just got her to kind of explain like, what are some of the worst parts about
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what y'all are doing?
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Because it's not just, you know, the giving websites and the videos you send and all that.
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Like there's actually the real tangible work of, okay, you had this calling that you felt
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like God was pointing you in a particular direction into a particular country to a particular
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people group in that area.
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So now what, what does it, what does it mean to actually do that work?
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And what does it mean to do that on a day in and day out basis?
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So the thing with Julie is you're not going to be in this conversation, you're not going
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to be overwhelmed by our personality because she's just one of those like she's like the
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opposite of me.
4:48
She's very calming, but she is a frontline warrior.
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And so there's the idea that you get in your mind of what a frontline warrior looks like
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or should look like or should act like.
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And she's not going to, you know, check a lot of those boxes, but she's actually doing
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the dang thing, there are guys that like to posture on social media.
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And there are guys that like to, you know, peacock when they're in public.
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And then there are people that just get after it, her and her husband Gary, they're just
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get after her people.
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So they put their yes down.
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They said, yes, Lord, now what?
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And so, you know, there's a lot that we can learn from people like Julie Proctor.
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And so I'm just thrilled that we had this conversation today with better than I, you
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know, could have even expected.
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So I'm not going to keep her from you guys any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Julie Proctor, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Hi.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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I appreciate a seat at your table.
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Well, hey, I got to tell you, I was a little surprised, well, I'm always a little bit surprised
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whenever I have a lady listener say, Hey, I actually listened to your show.
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But then it also makes me a little nervous because, you know, I never think of the lady
5:53
listeners when I'm creating the content.
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But I love that we do have lady listeners.
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So when he told me off air that you listen to the show, I was like, Oh, what did I say?
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So what is it?
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Why in the world would you listen to me?
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I'm a lunatic.
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I love listening to the male perspective.
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I raise boys.
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I work with young girls who have issues with boys.
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So I kind of just like to hear the man's side of it and to see kind of how they come
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across well, how they interpret the scriptures and then how they apply it to them lives.
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And it makes it easier for me to teach it to, you know, people in my life.
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So I enjoy.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Excellent.
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My wife, you know, we have, we have nothing but boys, even our dogs have been boys.
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And so she's just like, I am just surrounded by all this testosterone.
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I remember I got, you know, blood tests years ago.
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And you know, if you go to one of those testosterone clinics, it doesn't matter what your testosterone
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is at.
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They're going to say you need to be on testosterone of some kind.
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And she heard the doctors say that I needed to be on testosterone and she just looked
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at me like there's no way.
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There's simply no way that we can have even a little bit more of testosterone in your house.
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So guys, pray for my wife, pray for everybody that has to deal with that level of crazy.
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But the thing, the way that you and I got connected is because you and your husband Gary
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are big time church of 11 22ers.
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And so I've got to be careful with the language you go to church with Joby.
7:10
You don't go to Joby's church.
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We got to be very specific about that.
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But tell me how that all got going.
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How did y'all get involved with 11 22?
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We are some of the old timers.
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We were from the original church that Joby was the youth pastor at, which is beach church.
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Yeah.
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Since we launched, we were part of the launch and have been going to church 11 22 since
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it first started.
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And now we've grown into my husband becoming one of the elders at church of 11 22.
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So he is always working with pastor Joby and with the rest of the elders and keeping our
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church in line and on track.
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Okay.
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Well, Julie, I got lots of questions there because Joby is like impossible to keep on
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track.
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That's why he has like 17 assistants.
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But let's go back to beach church, because I've been to Jacksonville several times doing
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stuff with Joby there.
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And so I've driven by beach church and obviously Joby has a lot of great things to say about
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beach church and about the pastor there and things like that.
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But let's go back to that time to where you've got this church service that was starting
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at 11 22 and the service kind of overgrew, if you will.
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And then it's like, Hey, we're going to plant, but we're not going to plant like in some
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faraway land.
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We're going to plant a few miles inland from the beach or whatever.
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And so just take us through those early days, because of course, when you talk to Joby about
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it, Joby just says, Hey, I thought I was going to be youth minister for forever.
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I was going to be the youth minister guy and never wanted to launch a church.
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I definitely didn't want a multi site church with hundreds of employees and, you know,
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all this.
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I didn't know, like I was never in the plans.
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So take us to those fledgling stages where we don't know that this is going to turn into
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a thing.
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We just know we're moving to a new building.
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Yes.
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Well, interestingly enough, when it was first started, Joby was preaching to a population
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that they found was the most unchurched population group, a young adult group.
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So we know when you do your stats, the group of people that you just don't see coming back
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to church, you go when you're younger and then you go when you're older.
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But what about that 20s crowd?
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So they had Pastor Joby, who's really great with the youth start preaching the service
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and the service just grew exponentially where it was standing room only, elbowing in and
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was becoming a church in and of itself.
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And just people would say, I'm going to 11 22, you know, and that's the time, you know,
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that his church service started and it kind of worked into its own being.
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And Joby, as you know, just has such a way of preaching the gospel and teaching it in
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a way that you can apply it and you you are excited to actually explain the sermon to
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someone else who wasn't actually wasn't able to go that Sunday or to your colleagues at
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work.
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And it just, you know, as he launched into his own his own church that or our church, you
9:57
can't say his church, but our church, I know I do get, yeah, we all do that.
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But it's just it was really cool to watch it grow because I saw it from I was there before
10:08
Joby even came to see and Joby come to see and Joby just get this following of people
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that just weren't that, you know, thirsty and hungry for the word that they just wanted
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to, to hear it in a way that applied to their lives.
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And sometimes some pastors can't, they just have a hard time, you know, doing that with
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that generation and that crowd and you just, it worked.
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Well, you talked about Julie, thirsty and hungry for the word, but if you were to get
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a book and there, I've been books written out there about this is how you grow an enormous
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church and become a super rich mega pastor, like that that here's, here's basically what
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you do.
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You don't do that by going verse by verse through books of the Bible, like you don't
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do that through expository preaching.
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You do that by telling people affirmations that they should tell themselves in the mirror,
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like they are good enough, you know, God is for you.
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So do whatever the heck you want because, you know, God's going to bless you no matter
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what.
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Oh, also by the way, if you donate to this ministry, it's going to come back to you tin
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fold and all that kind of stuff.
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And so we're starting to get out into, you know, the, the, the crazy towns of different
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theological stuff.
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But I don't really buy the all shucks approach of Joby Martin.
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I know he's listening to this right now, but this all like, Oh, I'm just a country boy
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from Dylan, South Carolina.
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I don't really know.
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I just kind of preach about no, no, no, the dude might be a genius, right?
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And I don't really want to give him any more compliments beyond that because, you know,
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he's already got a big ego, but it's like, I don't really buy the, oh, you know, my pockets
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are out.
11:28
I got my hat in my hand and I just don't really know.
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I think he knows that there's power in the word and regardless of what the pressures from
11:34
outside culture and from kind of the health, self-help site guys is doing, he's just going
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to go back to the word of God.
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And so I guess you tell me because I only became aware of him and like, I don't know,
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2022 or something like that.
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And I went back to like 2016 and listened to the sermons and I was like, okay, he's kind
11:50
of in the same way, but has he kind of had the same style, Julie, of like, no matter what,
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no matter what story I tell or no matter what, you know, anecdote, I'm trying to give to
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somebody.
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We've got to go back to the word and we've just got to go verse by verse.
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From day one, he has always had that style and he, he will not falter from the truth.
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He will not deviate from the word, but, but he does it with, with comedy and he does it
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with application and he does it with in a way that it makes sense because a lot of times
12:22
you listen to pastors and just, you can't figure out how it can, how it can apply to
12:28
your particular life and your situation and, and he does and he produces the same thing.
12:32
He'll tell you over and over it.
12:33
You know, it's the same message just presented in a different way.
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But it's always amazing and it's always unique to me and then it'll be unique to the next
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person and the other person and he just has a way with that.
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He's definitely a skilled, skilled speaker, a skilled teacher, a skilled preacher.
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Well, one thing, Julie, because you've listened to my show for a little while.
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So perhaps I've used this statement, perhaps I haven't, maybe you haven't heard me say
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this, but you know, I'm, you know, we have the number one show and the, the Christian
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men's space, whatever that is.
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And so we've grown considerably since we launched in 2017.
13:09
And for years, Julie, I would be asked by random laymen or even pastors and churches
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like, Hey, can you help us build a men's ministry, a vibrant men's ministry?
13:19
And then what they meant was is, can you help us get guys to show up, not just on Sunday
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mornings and not just on Wednesday nights, but on some random, like, you know, Saturday
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morning at, you know, five 30 in the morning to, to, you know, basically sit around a circle
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and do Bible study and talk about our feelings or something like that.
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And what I've kind of changed, Julie is over the years I've gone from, I don't really care
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about men's ministry because that's essentially just programming.
13:44
It's, Hey, come to this event.
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It's a show up to this room.
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And I want to focus on making churches man friendly, where if a manly dude, whatever that
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means.
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So in the eye of the beholder, whatever a manly dude is that he walks into a church and doesn't
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automatically feel like, Oh, I'm out of place here, or oh, I have to check my, you know,
14:04
genitalia at the door.
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But like, Hey, my, my virile testosterone field nature is not going to be stymied here.
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It's going to be elevated and it's going to be pointed in a biblically based gospel centered,
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you know, help, you know, serve your neighbor type of way.
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It seems like Joby has modeled that and has accidentally created one of the most man friendly
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churches that we have in this country.
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But also, I know it's taken me a while to set this up.
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But for a lot of women, Julie, when there's a lot of testosterone filled strong virile
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man in an environment, perhaps they've been harmed by someone that's been like that.
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That's been very, very, you know, a dominant and something like that.
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And so this feminization of our culture will look at an environment like that and be like,
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Oh, that's oppressive.
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That's authoritarian.
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We can't have that.
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It's disordered somehow.
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We need y'all to chill out.
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We need to tamp this down a little bit.
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But it doesn't seem to be what we get from the church of 11 22.
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But if you were to look through the employees, there's not a men's ministry pastor.
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Y'all don't do men's ministry events.
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I mean, we're doing a men's conference at the end of this year, but it's not like it's not
15:14
an explicit here's our men's ministry, but the church seems very, very man friendly.
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I know that was somewhat a convoluted set up, but I'd love to see or hear your perspective
15:21
on that.
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Yes, it's definitely for the man, you know, if you walk in all the beards, all the tattoos,
15:27
all the deer heads, all the, yeah, it's definitely, you know, got the testosterone flow, but he
15:33
also preaches every, you know, every sermon that Jobe will preach about act like men.
15:38
There's always a part of it of how that in and of itself when you're acting like a man
15:43
would be honoring and loving to a woman.
15:45
So the woman's elevated every time the man is elevated in his sermon.
15:48
So I think he gets so biblical with it that it's understandable and I don't think women
15:56
get offended by it because I think women actually appreciate it, appreciate the of what, how
16:02
their life would be changed if a man lives his life in the godly way that that is preached.
16:09
When I think you're hitting on something that the, you know, 5% of lady listeners we have
16:14
to the show, the messages or whenever I see them in person or something like that, that's
16:19
what they tell me.
16:20
Is there like we want men to do this and then Jobe gave me one of the most incredible experiences
16:25
which just seemed like a small thing, but it was a big thing to me.
16:28
There's a gal at the church who I think that you would know she attends there.
16:33
Apparently she's, she's single mother.
16:34
I think her son's like 7 or 8 years old.
16:38
Apparently the dad is a horrifically terrible person.
16:42
And she is struggling to get this young man, you know, around good male role models because
16:48
dad's such a jerk, right?
16:50
But one thing that she does is every time we do an ask a pastor episode on our show or
16:56
the forging table where it's me and three other guys sitting around, you know, doing
16:59
Bible study like men would do, make a mistakes, you know, chopping each other down, making
17:03
fun of each other, like just having a good time, right?
17:05
She makes sure that she exposes her son to that.
17:08
And then when I was there for, I can't remember if it was saturated or encounter or something
17:11
like that, he made sure that I got to meet that mom, that single mom and that young boy
17:17
just to kind of further like, Hey, I'm, I'm like a real dude.
17:19
I know you listen to me through your phone, but I'm like a real dude.
17:22
And I got to get down on that guy's level, that little guy and just talk about his spider
17:26
man shirt.
17:27
And all that's so awesome.
17:28
And I'm so glad you get to listen to me and keep doing that.
17:30
But I think Jobe and the church has set up a lot of those opportunities for women who
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maybe are like, you know, they're victims of their circumstances and or their own decision
17:39
making.
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And here they are just trying to make the best of it.
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But I think that's one of the ways that that's real men's ministry, if you will, like it's
17:48
not just, Hey, read wild at heart, even though you should, it's not just, Hey, go to this
17:52
men's conference, even though yeah, buy your tickets and you should October 17th and 18th
17:55
in Jacksonville, Florida, but at the same time, like that's when the real ministry starts
18:00
happening.
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You know what I mean?
18:02
That's all to teach you how to do the ministry, the ministry, the walk is, is being the father
18:08
figure to, to all the, the boys at the church, you know, or all the children of the church.
18:12
So yeah, if you, what good is it to go to men's ministry and to do, you know, all the, all
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Okay, and so let's talk a little bit about Gary as well, so he's not here to speak for
20:03
himself.
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So let's talk about him behind your back, but he's your wonderful and lovely husband.
20:08
So he is an elder at the church 1122 and that's another thing that's weird.
20:12
Typically, when you have these enormous churches with these kind of like pastors that have
20:16
their own gravitational pull, they tend to try to insulate themselves a little bit.
20:20
So they don't have elders.
20:22
They have a board of directors that they happen to also be the chairman of.
20:26
And so basically, there's no way that they can be kicked out of their own church.
20:30
There's a lot of prominent pastors that I can name right now that that's how they set
20:33
themselves up because it's a business and they don't want to be able to be kicked out
20:37
of their own business.
20:38
It's like, that's one of the reasons why Undaunted Life is not a 501c3 because I've heard of several
20:43
men that have been kicked out of their own 501c3 because one disgruntled person on the
20:48
board got a few other people on board.
20:49
And all of a sudden, they got kicked out of their own thing that they started, right?
20:52
And so, but Joby's got elders and he is submitted to the leadership of the elders from the
20:57
beginning.
20:58
He talks about a conversation I with his wife Gretchen at the beginning like, should we
21:02
even do this?
21:03
This is crazy.
21:04
And Gretchen was like, do you think these elders would let you do this if they didn't
21:07
feel like God was leading you in this direction?
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Like, let's let them be elders.
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But how did I guess, how did Gary get picked or selected or are basically identified as
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a man that that could be an elder in Church 1122 and help really guide the Leviathan that
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that church has become?
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Wow.
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That's a good question.
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He, my husband has from the time we've gotten married to present day, he's always, you know,
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had a love for the Lord and he is such a scholar and just he thrives on learning the Bible.
21:42
And he's, I can't even I don't even know all the books he's read like many, many, many,
21:47
he's got it, you know, a whole library of books, but he doesn't, he doesn't, he wants
21:50
to learn it, but he wants to totally understand it.
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So I, I tease him that he's like an encyclopedia of the Bible, but he just loves, he loves
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all of that.
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And he lives his life that way too.
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And he's, he's very humble, like if you wouldn't, you couldn't meet a more humble person.
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Like he's the most humble.
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And he's just lived a life where he would do these great things, because I'm his wife,
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I could say that he does the great things and he does, he's a great man that does great
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things.
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But you would, he always sits in the back.
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He's always the last one to enter, hold in the door for everyone to leave, kind of stands
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back in the shadows.
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And I think, you know, eventually, you know, it, you know, it, you know, with doing Bible
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studies with them and people coming into his life and learning how he can pour so much
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out into other people.
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And he's just such a wealth of knowledge and inspiration to an encouragement to others
22:41
that he was recommended by a few guys, I think, and then there's a whole vetting process
22:47
and a whole onboarding of the elders, which is, you know, years, this isn't a something
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they take lightly, it's something that, because, you know, like you said, this is something
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that, you know, Joey doesn't just stack the deck with people who he knows is going to
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keep him in charge.
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He's, you know, he wants people who are biblically sound and, you know, fit the biblical principles
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too of being an elder.
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And so it's, it's a big thing and it's a big honor and I'm super proud of, of Gary for
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doing that.
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One, and one other thing, if we could dig in a little bit, give us a peek behind the curtain
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of what that vetting process was like, because I think I've heard, you know, Joby talk about
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it before, but it's like a two year process from the time of basically nomination, I guess
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you could call it.
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I don't know if it's that formal, but you're nominated.
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You're basically pegged, but then it's like two years of stuff that you have to do and
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vetting before you're actually officially an elder.
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And then I don't know how long the terms are, if there are terms or whatever, but can you
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give us like, okay, what was it two years?
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Like what was going on during that time?
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Was he having to like submit, you know, blood samples and like do crazy, you know, weird
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things in the woods?
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Like what was he having to do?
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Daily testosterone levels.
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No, I'm teasing.
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That's right.
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I got to stay above a certain level guys.
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No, he, I do remember him.
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He had a whole basket that sat by his recliner, full of books that they were reading, that
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they had this, you know, standard reading that they would get together and discuss.
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And I don't even, I don't even remember which ones they were.
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I think he had to, I think he was writing something at one point.
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I know he had meetings.
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I know he had interviews and it was a two year entire process of, of learning and, you
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know, making sure that his biblical principles and are in line with, with the churches.
24:36
I mean, just hearing that is so encouraging because I've been reached out to guys and
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there are guys probably listening to this where they're young guys that are elders of
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their churches, right?
24:49
And you know, Joby talks about it's like, how can you be an elder of a church when you've
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never like, held it anything?
24:53
And it's like gray hair doesn't mean that you have wisdom, but it's a pretty good indicator,
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right?
24:59
And me right now, if my church asked me to be an elder, I'd be like, no, like I'm 38
25:04
years old, like I'm, my family is young, like there, there's still a lot of things that
25:08
I feel like I need to be sanctified in.
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And my, some parts of my life have been a fairly slow sanctification process because I'm a knucklehead
25:16
and other parts is just like, Hey, it's just not, I'm just not been prepared for that.
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And so I like that whole idea.
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I want to kind of wrap up the discussion of church 1122.
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So we can get into some of your mission work, but I did want to ask you about this because
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I don't feel like I really got to experience 1122 until saturated last year.
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And guys, this, this sounds like it's like a commercial for 1122.
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It's not, I'm just like, I like talking to somebody that's like been there from the beginning.
25:41
This is really, really interesting to me.
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So hopefully it's interesting to, to you guys listen to this and that you're not too
25:46
bored, Julie.
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But when I was at saturated, so here we go, I'm there and I'm there to work, right?
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So we've got Jim Berg and Matt Chandler, Durban Gray, Ben Stewart.
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And after they, they preach, they go into a room with me and Joby and Pastor Vinky and
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we, we record a podcast and then, you know, I was there and I was there to work, but I
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had been there a few times and, you know, I'd seen, you know, the services and seeing
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Joby preach live and all that.
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But when Jim Berg and preach that first night, and when I experienced the worship and I've
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always kind of been weird with worship and I've talked about that a lot on the show, then
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Joby gets back up on stage after just to basically close out and tell everyone to go home.
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And he's like holding his chest because he can barely breathe.
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And you can hear him even say under his breath, he's like, gosh, I can barely breathe up here.
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Like he was so overwhelmed.
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It was weird, Julie, the feeling in the room and not just like, oh, it was, you know,
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emotive because the music was emotional and because the sermon was good.
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It was like there was a heft of the Holy Spirit.
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I felt like I could just grasp a handful of the Holy Spirit because it was just hanging
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in the air.
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You know what I mean?
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And then it just kept going, right?
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Every single night and it's just like it was overwhelming.
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And when you see guys like Jim and Matt and Derwin and Ben that are all from big churches
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that all have, you know, sold books and done the big conferences and to hear them all at
27:06
dinner afterwards be like, Joby, what's going on here?
27:09
Like what is in the water in Jacksonville?
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What's happening inside of this congregation?
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This feels different and every single one of them said that.
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And from your perspective, Julie, was it just like, yeah, this is just church.
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Like this is just whatever because from an outsider that comes from a very kind of reserved,
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very chill, very like no high, no low emotion, like straight down the middle church, it just
27:35
didn't feel the same.
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I'm just wondering what it felt like from, from your perspective being, you know, one
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of the OGs of the entire church.
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Wow.
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I love that that's the sensation that you felt that's amazing.
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It is every Sunday that you can feel the Holy Spirit comes in and the worship is real
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and the people are real.
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And that's what Joby tries to say, you know, on stage is that we are a real church with
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real problems and we need a real Jesus and real man to die on the cross for our sins.
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And he just brings it to a level where it, like I said it a hundred times already, but
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it's just so accepted.
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It's so me.
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It's so you.
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You can apply it to your life.
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However, when it comes to saturated, if you think about, I mean, the meaning of saturated
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is, you know, it is all over you.
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And you're night after night with these big powerhouses of these sermons and you know,
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you're on your knees every single night.
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And I think of, you know, the whole abiding when you abiding Christ like that, that it
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just flows out.
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You can't keep it in and you, it's this building abiding that just, you know, accumulates and
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at the end of the whole saturated, it is you're on fire and you are day one, right?
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So then, you know, toward the end, you're just, it is, it's just abiding in Jesus in
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such a, such a worshiping, powerful way that they're, I don't know, it's just, it comes
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out.
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Oh gosh.
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And then Sunday, when Joby's closing it out and you've got the baptismals right there
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and it's just baptism after baptism after baptism and I was at the, the first service,
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I guess on Sunday.
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And I mean, the service was over and the lines were still full of people that were, were going
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to get baptized.
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And I was just like, what the, I mean, the, the floors are soaking wet.
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And I mean, it's just person after person.
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And then as is fairly typical, I guess there's the people that plan to get baptized that
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day.
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And then there's the people that that day in that service had given their life to Christ.
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And so they're just getting in line and volunteers are trying to find them a t-shirt to get
29:38
baptized in and, you know, they didn't come with a bathing suit and a change of clothes.
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Like these are people and their church clothes are like, let's just go.
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Let's, let's get in the water.
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So anyway, I should stop like slobbering all over the church because I think, uh, you
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know, obviously I'm a huge fan of what Joby's built in.
29:52
You know, I'm, I'm just thrilled that I feel like I'm a small part of it and I get to be
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a part of kind of, you know, saturated and encounter and beach baptism in the men's conference
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and that I can kind of be ingratiated into the church 11, 22 family, even though I live
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in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma.
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But one other good thing about the church is there is a missional focus.
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But every, not everyone is, I guess is called to missions, if you will.
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I mean, that's kind of like a church phraseology thing.
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But you and your husband did have a calling on, on your heart and on your lives that kind
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of pushed you towards the world of missions.
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And so let's just start there with kind of those initial, uh, I guess promptings of the
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Holy Spirit for you and Gary that, hey, there's, there's something that, that y'all are needed
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to do and there's work that needs to be done and not just in Duvall County.
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Yeah.
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Well, um, I, as a, as a little girl, I used to watch television and they would have infomercials
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of, um, save the children for 50 cents a day.
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You could help the starving child in Africa and it would, you know, show all the, all
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the children laying around pretty much starving to death and it hurt me.
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I get, just hurt my heart and I was like, I am going, I'm not going to have kids.
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I'm going to go adopt all those children and I thought I could drive there.
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I didn't know Africa was in another country.
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I didn't know I couldn't drive my car, but I just, that was just embedded in me at that
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point in time.
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And then I was going to become a nurse and do all these things to get to Africa one day.
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I was going to join the Peace Corps.
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I was trying to figure out how do you do that because now mission drips are just so common.
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Every church has a mission platform, but at that time they didn't, beach didn't really,
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you know, I, um, when we were going to beach church, they didn't have one.
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They had missionaries at that time, like a lot of churches had planted missionaries,
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but not short-term mission trips.
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Uh, my husband and I, when we got married, um, you know, I shared that dream with him that
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something that I had always wanted to do was to go, you know, save the world, so to speak.
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And it just, I, I knew I was supposed to be somewhere.
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And he too had had, you know, kind of thoughts growing up.
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If that's what he wanted to do in a different kind of form, but we sort of googling or,
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well, Google didn't exist at the time.
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So we started looking up, like, how do you go on mission trips?
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Cause I didn't know, do you have to go to a mission school and become a missionary?
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And do I have to memorize Bible verses or like, how does this work?
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And we were invited to come along on United Methodist Volunteer's Emission.
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And they said, yeah, join a team if, if there's an opening you guys can join.
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And we figured that I think it was like July would be a good month because our daughter
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was out of school.
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I'm always out of school.
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So it was she could go visit her grandmother and we didn't go into Panama on a trip with
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the United Methodist Volunteer's Emission and they let us go, didn't have to do any kind
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of studies or anything.
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We just joined a team and I was a nurse and my husband was a doctor and we ran a medical
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clinic.
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And that was our first one.
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And I think 1998, 1998.
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And then started just going, you know, every year trying to hit a different country.
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We went to back to Panama a couple of years, but then hit a new country and kind of just
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fell in love with it, adopted a child from Guatemala.
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We already had three biological kids of our own, but we just wanted it, it's just that
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passion to serve.
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And then eventually we, you know, God just kept calling, you know, that orphanage, Julie,
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that orphanage, you got to save those children.
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And we ended up starting our orphanage in Panama.
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And that was probably in 2007 is when we bought the land in Panama.
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But we started running submission teams and building stuff in 2009.
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And then running teams, you know, people just wanted to come with us.
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It was not built.
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We weren't doing it to be a mission trip organization.
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We were doing it to be, um, just to build an orphanage, but people wanted to come along
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with us.
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So kind of grew into like a mission center.
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Okay.
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Well, let's go back just a little bit because plenty of people have been on a mission trip.
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Okay.
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So they've, they've gone on a trip to, you know, wherever and they're, they're just there
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for a week and, you know, they're, you know, helping people, they're building houses, they're
34:07
digging water wells, they're sharing the gospel, they're doing that kind of stuff.
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And then they just kind of go back to their normal life.
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And then you have more long-term missionaries.
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So maybe they are living in one of these places for a year or two or even longer and they're
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kind of ingratiating themselves into the culture of that area.
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And then there's kind of what y'all did, which is somewhat hybrid to where you're still
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living in Florida, but you're running this thing now.
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I stepped on my own question.
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You went to Panama once and that could have been it, Julie.
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That could have been it.
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Y'all, y'all did the good work.
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You were the hands and the feet of the gospel and, you know, you did good work.
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I guess why, why, why?
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I was watching y'all's videos on y'all's website and I want y'all to, you know, talk
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about that.
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My wife's just hearing the video and she's getting upset.
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She's like, Oh my gosh, I want to go save all the babies, right?
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And you know, she just kind of has that because of her feminine energy, you know, being a
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mother, all the things, right?
34:59
Some of the same things that you said that you felt.
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But there's so many opportunities to do stuff that's like that, but it's different to like
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dedicate your time, energy and resources and money to actually doing it long term.
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So where, where did that shift come from?
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No, I didn't just go to a trip and do a thing one time, but this is just what I'm going
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to do now.
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I think, I think it, I just, you know, we, it was something that was in me for so long
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to do like that passion to go help kids like how your wife or the video and got moved and
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had that moving moment.
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I had that moving moment from a child and then when I finally got to go and do what
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I've been dreaming of doing my entire life, there was like, there was no way it was not
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going back.
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Like it was just, I think a God given heart and love and desire for that and not everybody's
35:49
called to that and some people are called to be, you know, maybe in your point in time,
35:55
like just the mother or the father, you know, for your child and some are called to do missions
36:00
here in the United States and I've, I've had critics as well ask me, you know, why,
36:05
why aren't you helping people in the United States?
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You know, why aren't you using your money, you know, to help people, there's poor people
36:10
here.
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And I'm like, absolutely, there's poor people here.
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But, you know, apparently, you know, God has called you in your heart to help people here
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and he doesn't call everybody to the same place because you imagine if we're all standing
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around in Panama trying to help Panama and he just, that's just where he, he put me and
36:27
I just feel like we've just gone back to where God has called us to go and there was an unsettling
36:33
and unrest until we went back there and we had, he kept calling us back and back and back
36:37
and that's kind of when we're like, okay, I think we're supposed to be actually setting
36:42
up a nonprofit here because we were just going and serving short term, short term, but there
36:48
was just something missing.
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We needed that continuation of being the hands and feet of Christ in that area to be able
36:56
to share the love of Christ with those people.
36:58
Okay, I want to get into more specifics about the nonprofit here in a second, but back in
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the past life, I was doing a lot of consulting work for different tech companies and sales
37:09
and management and marketing type consulting and I worked for this group that did technology
37:13
for veterinarians.
37:15
And this was the first time I had heard the phrase empathy fatigue and I was like, what's
37:20
that?
37:21
Like, well, the suicide rates for veterinarians are higher than just about any other profession.
37:27
They're in the top tier and I'm like, why would that be?
37:31
And they're like, because every single day you're having to empathize with an animal
37:35
that can't tell you where it hurts, right?
37:38
And they're constantly having to put animals down, they're dealing with the emotions of
37:41
the owners that are losing their best friend and all the things, right?
37:46
And they see it's, you know, it's so sad to think about, but they see these dogs or cats
37:52
or whatever that are in massive amounts of pain.
37:54
And they administer a little vial of medicine and all of a sudden that animal's no longer
37:59
in pain anymore.
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And here they are getting this fatigue and fatigue and fatigue and the crazy hours and
38:06
people demanding that they work on Saturdays to help their dog and all that type of stuff.
38:10
And then finally, one day, they want the relief for themselves and they take that way out.
38:16
So, I am not, you're probably going to be shocked by this, I'm not a naturally compassionate
38:21
person, right?
38:22
Like I'm kind of a knuckle-dragger in a lot of ways and so I have to kind of stop myself
38:26
to remember, oh, sympathy and empathy, like those are emotions I should be able to feel
38:30
and like it's okay to have compassion.
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But when I heard about what you were doing in Panama, my first thought was, okay, well,
38:37
there's poor people in America, there's poor people in Sri Lanka, there's destitute people
38:41
in Congo, like there's problems everywhere, like it's impossible to fix all these problems.
38:49
And so not like, hey, we should just throw our hands up and not do anything.
38:52
But I'm like, how do you point to your empathy in a direction, Julie?
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Do you just kind of let the Holy Spirit guide you and say, yes, I know that there are people
39:01
that are in bad situations other places, but that's not your race, Julie and Gary Proctor.
39:05
That's someone else's race.
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That's something that I've got for somebody else to do.
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I need you in Panama.
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Like, just help me understand because again, I feel like anyander tall sometimes, or I'm
39:14
just like, why are these people being so emotional, but just kind of help me counsel me in this
39:18
moment, Julie.
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Wow.
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That's, that's tough because you're absolutely right.
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There's, you know, and you just have to go, you go where a guy is calling you to go.
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Like you, you won't, you won't feel at ease or settled with yourself if you're not doing
39:33
what he's called you to do.
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Now we also serve and do work here in the United States, not through our organization,
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but when there's needs, different organizations, you know, we, we try to help as well.
39:44
Like it's not exclusively to Panama, but, you know, I, I, that's hard.
39:52
It's just a calling is where God's leading you to go and, you know, I have empathy and
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you know, you talk about the empathy for the hurting, but it's not even just that sadness
40:01
for them and they can't say sometimes they bite back, you know, and so you've got to
40:05
have that ability to, to have compassion and understanding and all circumstances and you
40:12
know, people burn out with that because there's, you don't get a lot of gratitude from a teenage
40:16
girl who's been abused and, you know, you don't get like good vibes from her all the
40:20
time.
40:21
Like she, she a lot of times wants to run away, you know, why do you have me here and
40:25
you know, this is jail and there's that, you know, that negative fighting, but then the
40:30
beauty comes from when she sees the beauty within her and eventually it's good time.
40:35
So I, the answer is you just got to, you just got to step in faith, pray that God keeps
40:42
directing you and, you know, you know, I'm not, I don't know, I'm not limited to one country
40:47
and I don't even know that I would always stay in Panama if it can get up and running
40:51
and you know, God leads me to another country.
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I may eventually get to Africa, which was my original, my original dream.
40:57
Okay, so let's talk about the non-profit.
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So what's the name of it?
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What's kind of the mission?
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What's the focus?
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You know, let's go from the beginning.
41:07
Let's work our way to today.
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Okay.
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It's called hands of faith, but in Spanish.
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So it's manos de fait, hands of faith.
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And we are, we are a home, a home for young girls who have been abandoned, abused, human
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traffic, and they come to us after they are rescued from a rescue and organization, then
41:30
put into the governmental kind of like Department of Children's Services, then they will get
41:36
placed with us.
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And we are a safe, transformative home that's kind of protecting the children and has psychologists,
41:46
has house moms, has everything to keep, it's multi-focus, it's hard to put it into words,
41:55
but we are a safe home for young girls who have been human trafficked, who have children
42:00
as a result of their abuse.
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Okay.
42:05
And so in terms of the programs, I think I remember from your website, you do, so there's
42:10
family outreach, there's education, and then there's orphan transition.
42:15
And so if we could maybe spend a little bit of time on each one of those, like, how are
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these women identified?
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Are y'all in the process of getting them out of the trafficking situation?
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Or this is just, you found them afterwards, so it gives a little bit more detail there.
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So we get the girls in our orphan, the orphan care program is girls who have been rescued.
42:35
So their operation underground, railroad works in Panama, and also their government has a
42:41
task force as well.
42:43
And they will go rescue the girls or rescue the little boys as well that get rescued,
42:49
and then they get put into our custody until they're doing the research to see where there's
42:54
a safe family.
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So they tried to put them back into a functioning safe family, which is actually the best for
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the kids.
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And then we also have girls who have transitioned out of your standard orphanage, where they're
43:08
young and have no skills for the future, so at 18, you have to leave an orphanage.
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Or even if you're 14 and have a baby or 15 and have a baby, they would separate the baby
43:21
and put them in a baby orphanage and the girls go in a young girl's orphanage.
43:26
But we are an orphanage or a home where we would allow them to stay together.
43:31
So ours is like a little different kind of orphanage of any other orphanages in Panama
43:37
and the fact that we allow mothers to stay with children and teaching them how to be mothers
43:43
to their kids.
43:44
And then we have, we realize that when they come in that they have not been educated, some
43:51
of them come off the Indigenous reservation where the girls in particular aren't allowed
43:55
to go to school or it's not found to be important to go to school.
43:58
So we try to get them education to at least be able to read and write.
44:03
And if they can succeed beyond that, then we've had girls to go to college even.
44:08
So we push them in their educational pursuits and find out what it is that they want to
44:13
do when they get older and they're welcome to stay with us as long as they need to to
44:19
be able to launch on their own.
44:22
Go ahead.
44:23
No, I was just, actually go ahead, I think you're going to hit on what I was going to
44:27
ask.
44:28
And then we also have our family outreach program which is a little bit of an orphan
44:33
prevention program.
44:35
We found young moms and sometimes grandparents that had been given the custody of their children,
44:41
of their grandchildren because their children have, you know, have issues or problems that
44:45
they're not able to parent.
44:48
So we help them be able to keep their children, you know, together in their family unit by
44:54
offering food in their family outreach program once a month from our pastor and clothing
45:00
and school uniforms or whatever it takes, medications to be able to keep that family
45:04
intact.
45:05
So that's our family outreach program.
45:07
Okay.
45:10
One question that came up, there was a book that came out years ago when helping hurts
45:14
and there have been a lot of pieces, you know, obviously you sound like you're familiar
45:17
with that.
45:18
There is a line that's not, you can't put a line on an entire culture or an entire group,
45:23
or anything like that, but there's a line with each individual person where once you
45:27
help them beyond this point, you're actually doing harm to them because it's kind of like
45:32
people that take care of the elderly patients.
45:35
It's like whatever they're capable of doing, you have to let them do it.
45:39
You can't do it for them.
45:40
And it's the same with small children.
45:42
You're taking away developmental ability and cognitive ability and things like that when
45:46
you just do everything for them.
45:49
Is there some sort of a governor, I guess you have in your ministry to where it's like,
45:54
okay, this particular woman or this particular whatever situation, this is where we have
46:00
to say, okay, you got to stand on your own two feet now, like, you know, we've helped
46:04
you.
46:05
We've gotten you out of this horrific situation that you couldn't have gotten yourself out
46:08
of, even if you wanted to, but now you got to stand on your own two feet.
46:12
You got to do your own thing.
46:13
Like you got to be an adult now, like you got to perform.
46:15
Is there something in there that kind of, you know, I guess solves for that?
46:19
Yeah.
46:20
Well, for sure.
46:21
And we're very picky about that and we're very strict on that because we feel like that
46:27
when you do something for someone who can do it for themselves or when you give them
46:33
something that they could actually work for themselves, you're pretty much telling them
46:37
that they are, they're worthless or they're not able to do like, let me do it for you because
46:42
I'm so much better than you.
46:44
So we have families that leave the program once they get a lot, some of our, some of
46:50
our families have just no employment options at the time.
46:52
They're indigenous, they're migrant farm workers.
46:56
The farming season has ended.
46:57
They just need a little help for a little while while they're waiting for the next crop
47:01
to come in.
47:02
And so they would leave the program and it's, we make it an honoring thing to when you,
47:06
when you get to leave the program and you get to suggest a family maybe that, you know,
47:10
that could potentially need some help.
47:12
So it's an honorable thing to not be needing our assistance anymore.
47:17
And then also we try to, if there's employment options that we can find for them or even
47:21
coming to work for us, we do that.
47:24
Nothing's really given away.
47:25
Everybody has something that they can get, whether it's community serve dates, it's coming
47:29
to work at the church and help the pastor with things or, you know, some of the elderly
47:33
ladies just get prayer lists of people they can be praying for and, but everybody has
47:38
something to that they can contribute that is a board.
47:42
All right.
47:43
And there's something else and that I hear about in these different communities where
47:47
you're doing the work that you're doing, um, and I don't want to oversimplify it.
47:53
But if fathers were doing their duties as fathers and husbands were doing their duties
47:58
as husbands, there wouldn't be any need for y'all to be doing what you're doing in Panama,
48:02
right?
48:03
But we, we don't live in this fanciful, you know, parallel universe.
48:06
We live in a post Genesis three, post Genesis three world that's been broken by sin.
48:10
And you have a bunch of men that are perfectly okay with siring children, but not fathering
48:15
them.
48:16
You have men that are perfectly okay with taking advantage of sexuality and taking advantage
48:21
of sex and the entire reproductive process, but not wanting to stick around afterwards.
48:25
They want the, the pleasure, but without the responsibility.
48:28
And so is there anything that you guys are doing as an organization to I guess show these
48:36
women, similar to what I was talking about earlier with the woman that I met at church
48:39
11, 22, where you're showing them like, Hey, here are some positive masculine influences
48:43
in your own community.
48:44
Cause it's one thing if, if I show up to an orphanage and you know, the kids for a week
48:48
and look at me as like a, you know, a masculine, you know, role model or something like that,
48:52
but I don't live there.
48:53
It's the same thing when I go speak places.
48:54
I speak at other churches.
48:55
I was like, guys, I'm here to burn it down and walk away.
48:57
I don't live in who's this what's Indiana like I don't, I live here, like I don't live
49:02
here.
49:03
I live somewhere else.
49:04
You all have to deal with this whenever I leave.
49:05
So how do y'all kind of make sure they're not just getting, you know, feminine energy
49:09
or just energy from Westerners that show up, you know, periodically to make sure that everything's
49:14
still working right?
49:15
Yeah.
49:16
Well, don't, don't discredit yourself being Westerner because I think a lot of the mission
49:20
teams that do come, the male influence is huge because they get to see something that
49:26
traditionally and culturally they don't get to see, which is a man having pride and love
49:32
for their child, you know, like putting your child on your shoulders and running around.
49:36
That's not something they did.
49:37
They don't play with their kids like that.
49:38
It's a very hard culture, the indigenous culture in particular, but so they do get a lot from
49:45
the mission teams that come, especially the men, but also they go to, we have a church.
49:51
We are a 1122 church plant site.
49:53
So we, we have church 24 seven church is the name of the church in Panama.
49:58
And our girls are leaders in the church.
50:01
They sing in the church.
50:02
One of the girls teaches the Sunday school class.
50:05
Another girl plays a keyboard there, but they are active in the church and seeing good
50:10
godly man coming in.
50:12
And our pastor in particular is a spiritual kind of leader or a head for them.
50:19
He does, he does Bible verse, I think Bible lessons and then memory verse lessons with
50:24
them a couple of days a week, but then he goes out and uses, lets our girls like help
50:29
direct a lot of the programs in the church and things.
50:32
So we're intentionally trying to give them leadership positions.
50:36
So they do get that in the church, but it's hard like we don't have, it's the area that
50:43
we're in.
50:44
There's not a lot of, you know, young boys or young activities to do with young boys,
50:48
with our girls.
50:49
It's a very farming kind of rural town, but that, that is a good point.
50:54
I should try to think more about, you know, kind of how to incorporate that.
50:58
Well, I've got some ideas when you talk about, uh, off air, because one thing, when you start
51:03
stepping over cultures, it's, it's not as simple as, you know, clearing a field and putting
51:07
in a couple of soccer, you know, goals or it's, it's not, you know, it's not even getting
51:11
them a book to read or something like that.
51:13
It is a cultural level thing that comes down to a sin nature that if you embrace the sin
51:18
side of your nature, you won't do the things that would lead to, you know, flourishing.
51:23
Because, you know, I've been putting on this planet to equipment to push back darkness.
51:26
And when you do that, you take dominion and you provide for human flourishing, like your
51:30
job is to provide for human flourishing primarily for your bride, right, who lives in your household
51:36
and your progeny who live in your household.
51:38
And then it's an outworking from there, right?
51:40
That is home base and you battle the rest of the darkness in the world from home base.
51:46
But if you don't have any of that set up or if it's kind of all out of whack, you know,
51:49
good luck.
51:50
But I guess a question I have for you and this, this isn't meant to be voyeuristic in any
51:55
way.
51:56
It's just, I do ping more towards the darker side of things because anytime you look at
52:00
a website like, like y'all's website or an organization that does something similar to
52:04
that, like, you know, there's a lot of emotion tied to it.
52:07
And you know, obviously you're raising money because ministry is expensive and people need
52:10
to stop getting, you know, their hackles up whenever ministries ask for money because
52:13
you don't perform ministries with, you know, and pay for it with hopes and dreams.
52:17
You pay for it with your money and right, if you don't have money to do the things, then
52:20
you can't do the things.
52:22
But for you and Gary specifically, what are the, what's the hardest part of running this?
52:29
Like, whenever, whenever you're not there, whenever there's, there's no cameras around
52:33
and whenever you're not, you know, doing a working in the business and y'all are just
52:36
sitting there at the end of the night, right?
52:39
What's the, gosh, this is just such a heavy burden to carry.
52:44
Wow.
52:45
That's, yeah, that's a good question.
52:49
It's time consuming on my end, I'm the one who runs a lot of the teams.
52:53
So there's a little separation of me with my biological family here in the United States.
52:58
I, I'm gone a lot.
53:00
I usually go and on teams with about 11, 12 times a year.
53:06
But I think the biggest, darkest, heaviest thing is like, what, what if we're not able
53:12
to fund it for, you know, I, you know, in six months, like what if the funding goes away
53:18
and then what happens to these girls and, and also it's just the darkness of, like you
53:24
said, there is, there's so much evil in this world and, and our girls have been through
53:29
like some of the most horrendous things that were done by the men that were supposed to
53:34
protect them.
53:35
You know, we're talking fathers and stepfathers are the number one culprit of the girls that
53:40
we have at, at Monos de Fe and that would do things to them that, you know, they're supposed
53:46
to protect and love them.
53:48
So that heaviness and dealing with that and then figuring out what, but that's heavy, but
53:54
then it's also fueling because that has led us now into doing a lot of education in the
54:00
community, especially in the indigenous reservation with the gender based violence and, and that's
54:07
another way our girls are learning is they're, they're hearing this and they're hearing about
54:11
how traditionally in that culture that women don't go to school and that women don't have
54:17
an opinion and women aren't allowed to do certain things and women can be given away
54:21
in marriage or traded by their father before, or lost in a poker hand like there's, they,
54:28
and they don't have any say or anything with it.
54:31
Now that is human trafficking when a girl is sold or when a girl is given away and then
54:38
for them to hear that that's not right and that's not normal and that's not the way that
54:42
the Bible says that you're supposed to treat a woman and so they're hearing, they're hearing
54:47
good biblical sound doctrine of how a man should treat a woman.
54:53
So it's, it's hard to hear the stories and it's hard heavy burden to sort through, but
54:58
it's also fueled to, to change.
55:01
Well, Julie, just let me take a second to, I guess, steal your nerves, STEL, your nerves
55:08
and that of Gary's as well, because, you know, some of the emails I get and some of
55:13
the DMS I get and some of the stories that I have to spend time in and the atrocities
55:19
and the, the darkness that I expose myself to so that I can help equip other men.
55:24
It's substantial and people don't really think about that.
55:26
We always look at the things on the back end, but if you're going to push back darkness,
55:29
you're putting yourselves on the front lines.
55:32
When you become an elder of a church, you were exposing yourself to the front lines
55:35
of a spiritual warfare.
55:37
The guys in my Dominion coaching program, I tell these guys, the moment you sign up
55:41
for this, this is spiritually like you're getting off of the couch.
55:45
So Satan and, you know, all the, the dark spiritual forces that we can't see, they haven't had
55:51
to do anything with you.
55:52
And now you're getting in the game and I was like, Oh, shoot, I guess we need to kind of
55:54
step our game up a little bit.
55:56
And so I guess this is me just telling you how much I appreciate you, you all still moving
56:02
forward, even though you have this internal consternation, even though dealing with the
56:06
dark things is no fun, but it's, this is what you're called to do.
56:11
And if you are actually reading the Bible, you don't get this idea that once you become
56:15
a Christian, everything is flowers and rainbows, it's exactly the opposite.
56:19
Like all of the apostles, except for John, who they tried to boil alive and they just
56:24
couldn't kill the dude, all of them suffered horrible deaths, skinned alive, sawed in half,
56:29
crucified upside down, like all these horrible things.
56:33
You don't get this guarantee of a nice, easy life.
56:36
But the guys in my audience, they're very action oriented guys, right?
56:40
And you know, they're, they're oriented by, you know, emotions of anger and injustice.
56:43
And we've got to figure this out.
56:45
But obviously most guys aren't just going to like gather up all their materials and go
56:49
to Panama and start working on things, right?
56:51
So for people in my audience that want to help y'all with the work that you're doing,
56:57
just kind of tell them tangibly what are, what are the best and easiest ways to get
57:00
involved in that work?
57:03
If you did want to come to Panama, that would be the best thing because I would love to
57:06
show you our girls and show you how happy they are.
57:09
And then you would not know their history based on how awesome they're doing right now.
57:14
And the kids, their children growing up in, in the, in a loving, nurturing home, the breaking
57:20
that cycle of abuse, you know, within their family.
57:25
But secondly, if you know, you can go on our website, monostefay.org, there are ways to
57:30
financially contribute because we, we're growing our relationship with the government who through
57:36
the years is, it's been difficult, like you can't just go into a country and start doing
57:42
things like you have to earn trust.
57:44
And it's taking years to earn that trust and years to earn the government's approval.
57:50
And they, it went from them thinking that we were training, we were opening a center
57:54
to train warriors, like for army or something, that's what they originally thought.
58:00
And then they thought that we had our orphanages right by the border because we were going to
58:05
traffic young girls across the border.
58:07
I'm like, no, we're actually the opposite of what you're wanting.
58:10
And it just took, it took many years to earn their, their respect.
58:14
So now the, we sit on the country of Panama's, I think it's called the, I forget, the Children's
58:24
Protective Services has a board and they ask of all orphanages, they ask monostefay to
58:29
sit on the board.
58:30
And we're working with their, their army to onboard a human trafficking task force of
58:37
young ladies who are going to be the frontline of the rescue and the trauma.
58:41
So it's, it's just the need is that we get calls all the time for more girls to come,
58:47
more girls to come.
58:48
But we need to hire more Tia's, those are the house moms that stay with the girls.
58:52
But it's just that ongoing ministry support is the important theme because we, you know,
58:59
we are only limited by the funds that we get in.
59:03
And that's, that's the biggest, the biggest thing in prayers, because it is hard.
59:07
It is hard to have to fight with these girls and, you know, not me, the Tia is the house
59:12
moms, but in a loving way and showing them that, you know, this, you know, going back
59:18
to your abuser, because trauma has so many layers and they, they have that bond with
59:22
their, with their father or mother that they want to go back to.
59:26
And that's their normal and they're trying to learn their new normal and it takes a lot.
59:31
So it takes, you know, it takes finances.
59:33
It takes education.
59:34
It takes, there's just a lot of that.
59:37
Okay.
59:38
Well, I really appreciate you going into all the detail on the work that you're doing.
59:42
Guys, we will put that website here in the show notes so that you can check that out.
59:46
But we've, we've done it out a lot of different areas and I really appreciate all of your
59:49
great answers.
59:50
But that's all for me, Julie.
59:51
Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
59:53
I just, you know, want to appreciate you guys out there.
59:57
And I think, you know, you being there and showing what Godly men are all about, that
1:00:03
that, that is what breaks that cycle and that's what breaks, you know, if you think about
1:00:08
human trafficking as a whole, it's just, it's fueled by pornography and pornography, pornography
1:00:15
is broken by men, I like men and learning what men, you know, and making that the common
1:00:21
church vernacular.
1:00:22
Hey, we have support groups for man battling this.
1:00:24
Like don't make it taboo.
1:00:25
Don't, you know, make it like we're here to help you brother and, and none of you guys
1:00:30
talk about that, you know, in the darkness and helping one another.
1:00:32
So just keep doing what you're doing.
1:00:34
And I appreciate the opportunity to talk about monastery and there's just so much more to
1:00:40
it.
1:00:41
We were limited by time, but just keep doing what guys calling you to do one step at a
1:00:46
time and one direction at a time.
1:00:48
Well, thank you so much.
1:00:49
I'm glad there's warriors out there like you there on the front lines again, Julie.
1:00:53
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
1:00:54
Thank you.
1:00:55
I appreciate it.
1:00:56
Thanks.
1:00:57
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