JARED PETTITTE | Creating Dude Perfect Outdoors (Ep. 970)

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Yeah, >> the steak was actually really good. >> I mean, so shout out to Neighborhood Jam in Oklahoma City. Like if you're like foodie person or whatever, like that's just where I take everyone to. It's because I'm selfish. It's because like [laughter] I want to go there myself. But uh so yeah, cuz so you live down in Texas, but we've been talking for a while. Like I think when we when we originally I always forget how I like originally met people. >> Yep. >> But I've been following like you and your brothers in the ranch for a while. You followed us at one point and then I think I saw your announcement that your bride uh was pregnant and I was like dude that's like the coolest thing in the world. Like congratulations. And then we just kind of like figured out, okay, we should probably just like sit down and have a chat. But like do you even remember like how how we got on your radar? Cuz like I I followed the ranch for like 10 years. >> Yeah. No, I don't remember. I I think anytime that we see somebody, you know, pushing for the Lord, I think it just automatically like >> catches our eye, you know. You know, so I I think that's I think, you know, I think, you know, I don't know how many followers you had at that point. What was that? How long ago have you been following us? >> Uh I mean, for for you you and your brother, uh you and your older brother, I followed each one of y'all for I don't know, for a few years. like like y'all's ranch, Loadedos, that's one of the first things I followed on Instagram cuz like it like found me. The algorithm did >> so it's I don't know but at least 10 years on the ranch. >> Yeah. So I think that's I think you followed us and then I definitely saw that you had a you know a good following but that doesn't necessarily like I won't just follow somebody just to follow him if I don't know him you know but like I think I went you know I went through your page and you know saw what you stood for and so anytime you know I can connect with somebody like that it's like I just do it you know. >> Yeah. which is one great thing about social media that necessarily I don't I don't love social media but there are things about it there are good things >> well the cool thing about that is like you'll find awesome people doing awesome stuff like we were talking about you know my good buddy Mike Dragage and some of the stuff that he does you know with gator hunting and different things like that but also like if you can train your algorithm like I will tell my phone I'm like >> show me more videos of babies falling or like you know kids falling over and tripping because it's funny >> but like hunting videos fighting videos like things like that. You will learn so much from people like passively. >> So like the last 6 months I've been recovering from this ruptured bicep. I haven't been able to do jiu-jitsu. Yep. >> But I would still go to practice and I [snorts] would still watch like jiu-jitsu tutorial videos on Instagram. >> Yeah. >> And I'm just saving those for later cuz like all right, I can't do that now, but I want to save it like for later. And then if your algorithm is trained to show you all that stuff, it's not going to show you all the stuff that gets you in trouble. >> Yeah. >> Right. You got dudes that just linger a little bit too long on the girl in the bikini or a little bit too long and they're like one click away, man. Yeah. From getting into all that stuff. But anyway, that's the depressing part of social media. But [laughter] >> no, we we talked about so much uh stuff at lunch and we hit it off a lot of different categories. But I feel like to kind of even set the stage for the stuff that you're doing now, like you grew up in a fairly unique situation, right? Your dad had a really really weird job. Um, and so, but again, like when your dad was at his, you know, peak in Major League Baseball and things like that, y'all were still really young, right? Your family was still really, really young. >> But then, you know, I didn't grow up with brothers, like, you know, anything like that. I just want to know like what was the household like, you know, as early as you can remember, like when your dad was either pitching in New York or pitching in Houston, like, and what was kind of like the rhythm of of your family? >> Yeah, I mean, it was definitely for me it was all I knew. So, >> weird. >> Yeah. Like when when anyone asked me like, "What was it like, you know, having your dad play >> for the Yankees and the Astros for so long and have this great career." I'm like, >> now looking back on it, I'm like, "Yeah, >> yeah, it's pretty special." Like, now that I, you know, cuz I went through the whole baseball, you know, process. I college baseball, played a little bit of pro ball, and I I now have seen how hard it is to make it, you know, to that level. Obviously, I didn't make it to the pro the, you know, the MLB, >> but >> And when just So, when did you stop playing ball? Like when you got when you got hurt? Like, what level were you at? >> Playing uh I was in low A. So, like I literally I was in pro ball for a year and a half. I got I you know, I left EBU, got signed by the Marlins, I was there for half the year, then, you know, offseason hit, spring training the next year, got hurt at the end of spring training, and then uh kind of just pitched through the pain a little bit. Um, and then basically was in rehab for my shoulder the rest of that year. So after that year, I was just like, "Okay, I'm done. Two surgeries, labram's tearing. I'm just going to move on." So >> I got I got us off the the the track that you were on cuz I like wanted to chase the the baseball thing. We'll get back to the baseball thing, but yeah. So I mean, everyone in your family was was doing ball and like So like at what age did you realize like, oh, this was weird. Like this isn't like a normal upbringing. >> Yeah. I think I literally think probably when I got into college I think >> even in [clears throat] high school I still I don't know just a high school me I just didn't really I wasn't thinking deep into things you know stuff like that so like growing up I thought it was normal I don't know why I just like oh this is normal you know no it's very cool but um I think my brother brothers would say the same thing my older brother obviously he got to you know experience it a little bit more he was he's four years older than me little brother I have a little sister too but little brother um I I think he my dad was done playing baseball when he was like 6 years old or something like that. So, he didn't really get to experience it that much. But, um, no, I mean, it was definitely weird. Now, now looking back at it, I don't know how I didn't think it was weird because my dad was gone literally like eight months out of the year. Baseball season's so long, you know, >> spring training, whole season, deep playoff runs every year. >> Yeah. Exactly. And he was on that that insane New York Yankees run, you know, >> late 90s, early 2000s. >> Exactly. And so, um, yeah, like my mom was basically pretty much a single mom my entire childhood. Like she absolutely killed it. And looking back on it now too, like and we'll get into it, but now looking like now that I'm having a son of my own and you know I'm trying to prioritize things like my dad had this insane career that he had, you know, and this insane obligation to his team um with just such a heavy load of playing baseball every single day, you know, for 162 days straight. Now he would have, you know, one off day a week or whatever it was. Um, but like he would be in New York and we would be in Texas, you know, cuz we'd be in school and stuff. And um, the thing that has impressed me the most now that I'm having a son of my own, I'm like reflecting on things is my dad would literally pitch a game and then they would have an off an off day the next day. He'd be on a flight that night after his game. So he wouldn't he wouldn't like get on his plane till like 12:30, 1:00 at night. and he would fly in just to make sure that he'd be he would be there when we wake up at like 6:00 a.m. the next morning for school. >> Yeah. So, he would take us to school, we'd go to school, he'd pick us up from school, and then he's on he'd put us down for bed at 7:30, 8:00, whatever it was, and then he's on the next flight out. So, he's flying out at 10:00, 11:00 at night for their game the very next day, you know? So looking back on it, like that's pretty insane to me, you know, seeing like I don't know how I didn't realize that that wasn't normal, but it just it just was, you know, our life. And >> um my mom absolutely killed it, you know, and having to hold it down and and raising us, right? And and my dad made sure, you know, he was there every literally every chance he he could be there, you know. Well, I'm disappointed to hear that because I grew up hating your dad because I [laughter] didn't like the Yankees and uh you know, they they kept going up against teams that I wanted them uh to get beat by or whatever. But so I'm I'm curious what it was like for you and your brothers because obviously anytime you have a dad that's a pro alete. >> Y >> um there's automatically like oh is he just like a drill sergeant at home? Is he just running y'all through pitching drills, base running drills? Like is that what's happening at all times? >> Oh, like you know what are the expectations? cuz when your dad is one of the most accomplished playoff pitchers ever, not just for the Yankees, but literally ever, one of the most reliable uh guys, you know, >> you know, being a left-hander in Yankee Stadium with the short porch in right field, like obviously that kind of neutralizes left-handers. You have people that are like basically studying how can a guy throw as much as he did the number of innings and not be just injured constantly like we see with modern day pitchers. But like did y'all ever feel like pressure from your dad or even pressure from the outside where people are like oh well you know the three pettit boys like y'all got to go pro, you got to be all star like that kind of thing. >> Never never pressure from my dad. He always you know he was like you know if you want to play baseball great play baseball you know but like watching him you know you want to be like your dad when you grow up you know and so [snorts] >> watching him that's all I wanted to do was play baseball. Same for my older brother. Same for my little brother. And uh but he never he never pushed it on us. Like I've told [snorts] this to people in the past. One thing I feel like there's always a couple things in your mind that you know stick with you that that your dad tells you when you're like younger just kind of nuggets that he gives you. And one thing that has always been the first thing that I think about every time I think about him if someone asked me like oh you know did he push this on you? And I'm like literally every conversation we' have about baseball. like, "Look, I want you to go out there, have fun, >> play it to your best ability, but also like don't feel pressure. Like, if you don't want to play baseball, you don't have to play baseball." He's like, "All I care about >> is that you love the Lord and that you love your family. Like, that is all I care about and that you're a good kid, you know?" Yeah. >> At that age, like that's everything, you know, just cuz you're like, "Okay, no matter what I do as far as baseball success goes, it's not going to change the way that my dad and I's relationship are or is, you know, >> um from the outside world, it was a lot more pressure cuz I wanted to play baseball, you know, and so once I got older and you know, you know, my older brother Josh, he he had a great high school career. um was one of the top pitchers in the state of Texas and even in the country probably could have gone anywhere he wanted and ton of like just talk around you know any pet son Petson son he you know he ended up going to Baylor had four elbow surgeries and kind of that was that unfortunately um and then same thing with me as I started going you know through college I went to University of Houston for four years and >> you know it's all everything's kind of about you know any son and then >> especially since you were pitching >> Yeah exactly and the lefty Josh was a righty. I was a lefty. So I think I maybe got it a little bit more. >> Mhm. >> Um and then went to the uh Dallas Baptist University for one year co year. >> Um and then ended up getting picked up by the Marlins to play pro ball. And then that's when it really was like, you know, like TMZ wrote an article, New York Post wrote an article and it was like Andy Pettit's son. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's right. >> Andy Pett's son Jared, you know, and so um which is great. You know what I mean? Like it just shows how how you know great my dad's career was. And so that never bothered me, but it was definitely like a little more magnified, you know, like, okay, there's a little bit more >> pressure on this. And dude, like I'm so I was always so bad at being able to just like, you know, block out outside noise. And so I I I'm like always up in here thinking like 24/7 to a fault. And [snorts] so I think that's like I had a lot of command issues especially like my when I got into pro ball um even at DBU a little bit but when I got into pro ball I like heavy command issues like I struggled throwing strikes and it's just I put so much pressure on myself and not even necessarily cuz my dad it was just kind of how I'm wired unfortunately. And but then there's my little brother who he just got drafted by the Yankees, >> right? >> He's like the complete opposite dude. Like and I wish I wish I was like him. Yeah. Like he's like, "Dude, if I >> when he was drafted as a pitcher and I saw him like hitting a tank the other day and I was like, "Hey, hey, you're not supposed to be able to do both." >> Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. So, he he actually was drafted as a two-way um cuz he had Tommy John last year and so he didn't get to pitch this last year at DBU and so he just hit and he hit amazing and so really got on the radar of a lot of these pro teams as a hitter, too. And so Yankees ended up drafting him in the eighth round um as a pitcher and a hitter. And um yeah, I I tell him all the time, me and my brother talk about this, too. I'm like, "Dude, I wish like I played like he did." >> Just loose. >> Loose. Yeah. He's like, "If I go for four four strikeouts, like, okay, what? It's not the end of the world." You know what I mean? And so, >> you know, it's funny. I heard Padroya I have to bring up as many Red Sox in this discussion as possible. >> Are you fan? No. just [laughter] like I'm a big Cardinal fan and so like you know we never really cross paths with the Yankees during that time. I say we I didn't play for the team. I just pulled the thing that I hate when other people do it. There's no we when they the Cardinals did that thing. But Padroy was on a discussion the other day. Uh he was talking about youth ball. He was basically like look if your kid's a pretty good 12-year-old ball player. >> Yeah. >> Just let him be a ball player that's 12 years old. >> He should not be taking extra BP. He should not be doing all this other extra stuff. he should not be acting like a pro when he's 12. He said there's so much more development that they need to go through. There's so much more baseball and if they're undeniable, they're just going to be undeniable, right? Because you can't teach, you know, 98 99 with a hook. You can't teach that. Like either God gave it to you or he didn't, right? And then you can just kind of like, you know, uh sharpen the blade as you go. But he was just talking basically about >> I there's so many kids that are good at ball on these traveling teams, right? So watching a kid go three for four, four for four with a homer and, you know, a couple of outfield assists, he's like, I'm not watching the kid when he does that cuz that kid's so good. He does it all the time. >> Yeah. >> I want to see how the kid reacts when he goes 0 for four with three strikeouts and a little duck fart like ground ball like didn't make good contact, didn't see the ball well, >> you know, uh problems in the field, maybe booted a ball or something like that, overthrew the base he was throwing to. I want to see how that kid reacts to that game. >> Yeah. Can he goldfish memory? Can he take that? Okay, that at bat's done. I can't get that at bat. Or do does he take that into the next at bat? Yeah. Does he take the air in the field back with him to the dugout as he's waiting on deck? And he's like, that's the kid that's probably going to be able to play a lot more ball for a lot longer. >> Sure. because and that was something that you know I didn't play the ball at at the level that you and your brothers and certainly that your dad did but like I couldn't get over the thing that I had done because I would just the coach didn't have to ream me because I was just sitting there destroying myself >> same way >> in the field and so like but for a pitcher >> it's so much worse because the ball comes right back to you >> right like even if you're the short stop you see you see the most action of everybody on the field other than the catcher and the pitcher and if you overthrow first base you may not see another ground ball the rest of the game >> yeah for But if you throw a ball like, you know, 59 ft and you, you know, you're 16 and 12 in away and you throw it straight into the dirt, like they give you the ball back and they're like, "All right, just be better this time." Like that's got to be just such a >> Yeah, dude. It is. And and that's what I'm the same way as you. Like >> I'll be on the mound and I'm throwing balls and I'm literally in my head I'm like, "You suck, dude. >> You're the worst person." I'm like, "Yeah, you're terrible, dude. Throw a strike. How are you this bad? It's not that hard to throw a strike from 60 feet away." And [snorts] unfortunately, you remember all the bad outings and not the good ones. >> That's right. I >> I couldn't even tell you like most of my good outings that I had. Like they were there, but I like I don't remember them. I remember specifically all my bad outings. Like >> Yeah. When you gave up 10 earned and two and a third or something like that. >> Yeah, dude. Like unbelievable. Like >> my third start at Dallas Baptist was against Arizona and we were having, you know, I had all my family in. We were playing at uh um uh the Frisco Ruff Rider Stadium and so it was like bigger stadium u Arizona. They were ranked like they're top ranked in the nation at that point. And uh I was like fired up, dude. I was like this is Yeah. Like Tyler, he he showed up to the game. >> And so I was like I got everybody here. I'm fired up. Like I'm you know I always wanted to pitch in the bigger game. Like it just it just meant more, you know? And so did I go out there and that literally I had had two good starts before that and then you know I start I throw fast like my bullpin was like the best bullpin warming up that I've ever had and I was like and if you pitch like if you play at a higher level and like you know if your bullpin is good >> you're going to be trash. >> You're about to be so bad on the mound. Yeah. >> Why in the world? But you could have the worst bullpin ever and you're just going to dominate. Yeah. It's so crazy. So, but I wasn't thinking that. I was like I was like feeling myself. I was like, "Dude, I'm like feeling good today." You know? And so, I go out [snorts] there, first pitch, I like dotted a fast ball. I was like, "Yeah, it's going to be a good day." >> I'm not kidding. I go on to I I end up pegging the first batter. Like two pitches later, he gets on first. I don't know what happened, dude. I just saw red like I blacked out and I think I ended up firing off like I think like 14 balls in a row without throwing a strike. So, I went like hit batter, walk, walk, walk, walked a run in, and then I was yanked. I didn't get an out, dude. I think I threw two strikes in the first inning. >> 0.0 innings pitched. That's not a good >> night. No. And so, I got yanked out of the game. And so, I was like, dude, I don't even know how we got on this topic, but the rest of the day, dude, like I was like depressed for like the next week, you know what I mean? Like just >> oh my gosh. and I end up getting yanked out of the rotation, got put in the bullpen, which is probably the best thing that could have happened to me because I then in the bullpen I can just go out there and just try to throw it as hard as I can for the most part and not try to save energy. But >> um yeah, all that to say I'm like you like I'm when it came to like >> not having success, I was like, >> yeah, >> I kind of let it spiral unfortunately. >> Well, so we both hate Luke, so forget Luke, we don't [laughter] like you. uh you loosey goosey guys. But those those were always the best guys cuz like and again if you're a hitter >> like so when I would get mad and when I was gripping the bat as hard as I could like I never made good contact but whenever you're nice and loose like when you hear people talk about especially with a wood bat >> when you hit it perfect like center center you hit it perfect it you don't feel it at all because you're not hitting it off the end of the bat you're not hitting it off your knuckles you're like you're making good contact >> and I try to explain to people that you know kind of dog on baseball they dog on baseball because David Wells was fat that's why because they're If a guy like that can look like that, >> smoked cigarettes and ate hot dogs. Yeah. >> But hitting a spherical ball. >> Yeah. >> With a round bat squarely. >> Scientists proved a few years ago that it is physically impossible for someone to hit a 95 mph fast. [laughter] >> And yet tonight there's going to be hundreds of those that get hit by people. Some for outs, some for dingers. >> But like >> being able to play loose like really helps out. I'm I'm just curious. So, like when you have a game like that, was your dad at that game? >> I think he was. Yeah. Okay. I think he was. >> But even like So, when your dad's at a game and you pitch well or your dad's at a game and you pitch like you did against Arizona? >> Yeah. >> Like, is there any discussion afterwards? Is he like is he taking you to the side? Like, hey, your mechanics are off, like that kind of thing. Or is he just is he just dad? Hey, I love you. You know, you'll get him next time kind of thing. >> Yeah. So, he was actually my coach my junior and senior year of high school. He's my pitching coach. And at my high school, it was him and Lance Burkeman. So, >> all right, that's cheating, but that's >> pretty pretty good coaching staff there. Uh, >> Lance is apparently an amazing dude as well. I've heard that he's the best. >> Can I tell a quick Lance story for it? I love Lance stories, dude. They're the best. >> Well, and I love Lance Burkeman because 2011 Cardinals, that World Series and all that. And so, obviously, for those that didn't watch that, they're against the Texas Rangers. This is the second year in a row the Rangers are in the World Series. They had not won a World Series yet up to this point. They did a few years ago, but they had not won a World Series in franchise history. Game six, Cardinals are down two runs in the bottom of the ninth. They've got their closer, Feliz on. I'm just pulling this all out of memory because [laughter] I've watched this like a billion times. >> And like the Cardinals get down to their last strike. Okay, runners on. I think it's first and second. David Freeze up. Yep. And he hits the missile to right field. >> But just about every other right fielder in Major League Baseball makes the play up against the wall. >> Yeah. Nelly Cruz, not a great right fielder. Tremendous power hitter, not a great right fielder. Ball gets behind him, caren off the wall and just like flies towards, you know, the infield. Both runs score to tie the game. David Freeze ends up with a triple. Goes to extra innings. >> Uh Josh Hamilton uh hits a home run like in the top of the tenth. >> Yeah. >> To just break the Cardinals back, right? Cardinals come back. They were down to their last strike again. Lance Burkeman hits a bloop single that ends up scoring the tying run in the tenth and then the 11th. David Fes let off the inning and hit hit that amazing walk off to center field. Right. [snorts] >> And so then uh the Cardinal that was game six, right? Yeah. >> Well, then the Cardinals come back in game seven. I think they're down two to nothing in the first inning, but they tied up in the first and then they took the lead and they it just was never closed from there. >> Y >> the very next year, Lance Bergman was signed as a free agent by the Texas Rangers. Yeah. So, he literally goes from the Cardinals to the Texas Rangers and he's in spring training and I think I have this accurate, but he just kind of walks in, you know, he's real sarcastic, real funny. Yeah. And most of the team was back, right, for the Rangers. So, all the core guys were were there and he just goes, "Hey guys, uh, in the clubhouse, was it quieter after game six or game seven [laughter] last year?" And I mean, like, some guys were laughing their like butts off and other guys are like, "We're going to freaking kill you, Lance." But like there's so many Lance Burkeman stories like that. So I'm sure you got your own with him, you know, being your coach and being around your dad cuz he would have been on the Astros when your dad was on the Astros. >> Well, that's where Yeah, that's where they met and they they became like best friends after that. And then my sophomore year of high school, we were living in Deer Park and >> love Deer Park, but >> had some stuff going on like family stuff and kind of just needed a change of scenery. So, we ended up moving to Houston and ended up going to a private school there for two years. But basically, we moved there cuz Lance was the coach of the Second Baptist team and um so I was like, I would love to go play for Lance. I you know, known him my whole life, you know, great great godly man. And so I ended up we ended up moving there. But I I don't even he he's such a a different character. Like I don't even know how to describe him. Like one of the funniest dudes I've ever met, one of the smartest guys I've ever met. Um, and specifically his knowledge for baseball is like second to none. Like it's insane how good of a hitting coach he is and how well he knows the game. But what's funny about your that the World Series story is when he got that hit, he'll tell you he was on deck and he literally was like, "Dude, I didn't want to go up to the plate." He was like, "I wanted to curl up in the fetal position." Oh man. >> He was like, "I was so nervous." >> He's like, but what made me so good in those situations? He was like, I got to a point where like I felt those butterflies. He was like in my head I would like just imagine that I'm like squeezing these butterflies into like a little ball of energy and just trying to use it as not nervousness but more of like excitement and like gratitude for the opportunity but he's like but like deep down inside he's like dude I just wanted to curl up in >> and the Rangers were playing no doubles defense. Josh Hamilton was super deep >> that that's a catchable ball you would had to got on his horse but like it just you know right right in that gap. But that's why I think too I I think so many >> so many of these godly men that are in the MLB that have such good careers have such good careers because of their faith. Like my dad was the same way and so was Lance. Like if you saw if you you know they panned to Lance when he's on first base after he gets that gamechanging hit. >> Y >> and he's just like undoing his batting gloves like he's done like he's like I've been here a million times before you know but like they they and that's why I probably didn't pan out the way I did with my with my career. I put so much pressure on myself and on every single pitch like like it was life or death. And my dad was the same way. Lance was the same way. I've heard other believers that play, you know, in in the big leagues that are the same way. Like, you know, if I fail here, it doesn't change anything. Obviously, I want to have, you know, play to my best ability and win cuz I'm a competitor, but like if I lose, you know, my identity is in Christ. Nothing changes that. That's all I care about at the end of the day. You know what I mean? you know, obviously they're extreme competitors, but it's like they're not living and dying on every pitch. Like, my life is going to change or end if I don't win this game or if I don't get this hit or if I don't make that pitch. You know what I mean? So, you just put so much pressure on yourself and it's like >> at the end of the day, like it's a game, you know? Obviously, it's your livelihood, those guys, and you want to be the best that you can be. But at the end of the day, like, you know, 15 years removed now, my dad, 14 years removed, whatever it is, like, yeah, he had this great career, but he's still got this whole other life ahead of him, >> you know, where what is, you know, what now, you know? So, I think that was like those guys like that, like just seeing Lance like being able to but like that's why my dad was able to pitch so good in those big games, too. Like he'll tell you that he's like he was like, "Dude, I would just be praying non-stop out there." He's like, "If you see me out there, like just like talking to myself." I He's like, "I was probably praying, you know." So, it's like those sort of things are like if you're a believer, it's like at the end of the day, your identity is not in what game or what job you have, you know, or how successful you are. You know, if you make your identity in Christ, at the end of the day, like nothing can deter you from that. Nothing can get you down from that. 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Um and just you know the intimidation factor and all that even though he's apparently like the nicest guy ever uh but just you know following his career but like your dad didn't pitch like that. Your dad had to pitch right now. He wasn't down in Greg Maddox territory throwing, you know, 86, 87 and, you know, like, you know, moving the ball off the plate to seamer back onto the outside part of the plate to a righty or anything like that, >> but he was pitching, right? And he was >> when I watch it now, cuz was was Jorge his main catcher this entire Yeah, for most of his career. So, Jorge Pada um they they were constantly gaming. And that's the thing that you would tell is they were they weren't playing games with a hitter, but they were playing the game against the hitter. Yeah. >> Because it's like there was, you know, you were working the count into your favor. You were throwing a lot of strikes, >> but you weren't throwing a lot of meatballs. Like, you weren't throwing stuff center. Like, if you were going to get beat, you were going to get beat on the edges, right? Yeah. And so it it's interesting that your dad, you know, talked about how he would be praying out there, but I mean, you actually brought it up, something that I want to talk to you about anyway, just identity. >> Yep. >> So technically, the only man in the world that wants you to be better than him is your dad. >> Yeah. >> If your dad is centered the right way, Christian non-Christian doesn't matter, but your dad should be your biggest fan and want you to outdo him in everything, right? Yep. >> Now, if you got an ego problem and all that, then then you're not wired that way. But then if you do have a father that's done something great, and that could be professional sports, maybe they're an accomplished pastor or author, maybe they're just wellresected in the community, maybe they're the mayor on the school board or like a principal or something like that. You're always going to be compared to your dad. >> Yep. and it can affect your identity because I've talked to these young men who had very important dads, whatever that means. And they're like, well, I I mean, I kind of just want to be an electrician or and or I just want to I want to go get my masters in something or I want to whatever. Like, I don't want to do what my dad did, but like that's what everyone expects. Was that what I'm supposed to do? Like my dad was a doctor. Says that mean I have to be a doctor. Like my dad was an attorney, so do I have to be an attorney? And you know when TMZ writes the article, the the headline is not Jared Pettit gets drafted. It's Andy Pettit's son. Andy Pettit's son. >> Actually, that article was Derek Jeter cuz Derek Jeter was the GM at that point. I forgot >> after the Marl. >> Yeah. So, I think the actual exact article title was Derek Jeter drafts Andy Penn son. >> Oh my god. >> Or signs Andy son. >> The third most important person [laughter] in the headline, right? Exactly. But I'm just wondering for you because at some point like I'd love to hear your story about you know whenever you know Christ entered your life and whenever you started like serving him and you know being a disciple of Christ but like >> that's got to be a really difficult thing to do because of who your dad was. And luckily it doesn't sound like your dad put any of that pressure on you but the pressure is there. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. No, I I never had I never had that that like trying to figure out or like never had that like trying to wrestle with being any pet's son and trying to be my own person like at the end of the day I'm very realistic with myself too and um I just knew that that was just going to come with the territory, you know? So, I kind of just accepted that and I'm so proud of like what my dad did. So, like even like just having just being associated with that like is something I'm very proud of. Even though he did it for the most evil sports team [laughter] ever, like the greatest sports team ever. >> No, no, no. Evil. I said evil. So, it's EVIL. It means like the opposite of the light. [laughter] It It's probably God's least favorite baseball franchise. Can we just like >> They had to to get 27 championships. Like, at some point, >> if that's the case, that's the only thing that me and God aren't alike. All right, that's fine. >> I'll never turn my back on the Yankees. >> I'm working on you. Don't worry, guys. I'm working on them. Like, [laughter] he'll he'll get a better team, but go ahead. >> Yeah. U So, yeah. No, I never wrestled with that. Um, no, I was definitely and I don't know, maybe it's just how I was I'm like so much like my dad. Like I just don't care. Like stuff like that just doesn't bother me, you know? So, um, I don't know. I I wish I had like some like profound answer, but no, like genuinely, >> it just it didn't bother me. I think growing up and my dad being like I told you before, him [clears throat] saying like, "No matter what you do, like I don't care if you play baseball or not. No matter how successful you are, unsuccessful, all I care is that you love the Lord." So like and even my coach at Dallas Baptist like he he would say the same thing which is coach Heafner he was like a huge part in that like we would have Bible study every every Wednesday and his main thing in life like his main thing that he tries to teach these kids these college kids is like do not put your identity in this game of baseball cuz it is going to fail you every single time. You know what I mean? So um I don't know. I just I put more pressure on myself out on the mound trying to be successful more than you know trying to be successful because I was an son. know. Does that make sense, >> dude? I'm like I'm actually relieved, right? Even though I know you now as, you know, a guy in his late 20s, like I'm relieved to hear you say that because I thought because of the pressure you put on yourself mentally that you were going to take that as an added layer of pressure. >> And to be honest, like you probably wouldn't have even made it through high school ball, like if you had had that extra like level of pressure over the top of you. >> But like at what point along the way, cuz obviously you grew up in a in a faithful household, but God doesn't save last names, he saves first names. So like in terms of your story of coming to faith, is there like a moment you can point to or was there just a realization you had someday? >> Yeah. No, so I I I grew up in church my whole life. Like I grew up in church. My grandpa was a pastor for 40 years, 40 plus years. Um he he has my uncle's three three sons. Uh they uh two of them are pastors still. Um and then the other one was a worship leader. My mom was on the worship team at our church that my grandpa was pastoring at. And then once he retired, his my uncle took over. So like I grew up in it. We were there Sunday morning, Sunday night. Yeah. >> Wednesday night, >> like clockwork, you know, like we were there, you know. So we were doing it all. U so I grew up in it. And um I got saved when I was 8 years old. And I say saved, you know, I I at the time I thought I was you I knew what I was doing. you know, I got saved at vacation Bible school. Um, my my grandma, she uh uh she kind of led me to the Lord and I said the prayer with her and um you know, >> that's a beautiful picture though. >> Beautiful. Yeah. You know, you kind of can get caught up in the emotions of it, you know, and that young I don't know necessarily if I knew what I was kind of doing >> and you know, went through life the next four years. And then when I was 12 years old, I don't know, I was like I think I was playing Xbox or something one day and listening to worship music music while I was playing like Madden or something and I just like I don't know what it was. I don't know like there had been some things maybe leading up to it like you know maybe some services that kind of had me thinking about my faith and and if I knew exactly what I was doing back then like you know so um when I was 12 years old I was like I don't know if I actually knew what I was doing back then. Like I I didn't I don't think I understood it like I understand it now, you know? So when I [snorts] was 12 years old, I was I called my uncle who was pastoring at our church at the time and I was like balling. I think like 12-year-old, dude, I was so emotional as a kid is so bad. Like [laughter] we can get into that more. Like I was so emotional as >> you're passionate, right? Sometimes it came out in tears. Yeah, we'll go with that. >> I was so emotional as a kid and then that emotion kind of went away as I like got older. Like completely went away and now it's back now that I'm having my own son. I don't know what happened, but it's like kind of back. And so >> there's a thing to that. We'll get to it. Yeah. >> Yeah. We can get into it. But yeah, so I call my uncle up. I'm like balling. I'm like I don't think I knew what I was doing when I was 8 years old. Like I don't know. I just feel this conviction that I like >> grandma lied to me. >> Yeah. [laughter] Like I feel like I I've just got this conviction that I'm like I just want to make like I don't know. I just don't think I I think I was just doing it because everyone else was doing it. Vacation Bible school, you know? So I was like >> I want to like make sure that I do this the right way. And so I, you know, I say, you know, I don't know what exactly I did at 8 years old, but 12 years old is when I think I fully understood, you know, the the full magnitude of of accepting, you know, Jesus. And so, um, I got saved and got baptized and and did all that and and then really went on throughout life and thank the Lord, man, I've never had like I've never had any, [sighs and gasps] you know, I've had a couple like, you know, one serious family thing go on, but like I've never had stuff that kind of pulled me away from the Lord, you know, like even through co like in college, like I never had a desire to really do what all, you know, as an ath athlete, you can get really pulled into these different things, you know, um whether it's the party scene or whatever it might be. Like >> I never had a desire to do that stuff, you know, and so um and then pro ball, you know, my dad told me he was like, "Look, pro ball is like different, dude." like my dad I I've never seen my dad take a sip of alcohol, you know. Not not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that as long as you know you keep it under control and stuff, but like it's just something that he just never had the desire to do, especially being in pro ball just cuz he kind of I think understood where that could lead in that environment, you know, cuz so many guys are just like pretty wild. >> Um, >> you know, a lot of those guys are like single still, you know, younger, they're kind of, you know, in that scene still. And so he's like, "I'm just like telling you like be prepared to have lonely nights like cuz I was single at the time." Thankfully, he also had my mom. They got married when my mom was engaged like her senior year of high school or something like that. Like they got married young. And so they were they went through it all together. So he had my mom to kind of like, >> you know, hang out with and he was fine, you know. But he I mean he told me when I got into problem like be prepared to have lonely nights if that's what you're going to stand for. be prepared to say no to going out and, you know, you can go hang out with your friends, but like you can't if you're going to, you know, call yourself, you know, Christian and you you live by the word and stuff like that, like you can't do what these other guys are doing, which I knew that, you know, um but he always just wanted to make sure that I understood that. And so, yeah, like there was a lot of times even in pro ball where um you know, they would go out, I would stay in, you know, lonely nights, you know, just not getting to hang out with your boys. Um, and another thing, you know, I I waited till marriage, you know, and this is where I'm not like I'll never I'm just not the guy to like just go and like, you know, I'll ask people about, you know, what they believe, you know, and all that. And I'm getting a little bit off topic here, but I just feel like it's important as part of the story. Um, >> I'm not I'm never going to like shove my beliefs down your throat, you know. I kind of just want to and this is kind of how my dad was. He just lead by example. And I think when you lead by example, people will come up and you know start conversations and ask you know like you know what why are you doing this or not doing this you know and then you know that kind of starts the conversation then you know if it's invited or you know I feel like it's the right time then I'll share my faith and and you know explain why I'm not doing that or doing this. And so um like I remember even even in pro ball you would think you kind of outgrow like I I waited till marriage to have sex. Uh that's something just that was very important to me. Um, and you would think, you know, you kind of get out of high school and college and you, you know, you take the the little jabs of like, oh, you don't like, you know what I mean? And so, which never bothered me. Um, and then you think as you get into, you know, adulthood, like it didn't really matter like [clears throat] >> these people don't like they're not going to talk about that, you know, but it was even more prevalent in pro ball like more talks about all that and so, you know, and then they'd be like, oh, what about you? tell us like some of your stories when it comes to that. And I'm like I and this is like a perfect example of like >> this is an opportunity not necessarily share my faith directly but like maybe it opens the conversation and I'd be like I don't know I'm waiting for marriage, you [laughter] know, like I'm waiting for marriage. I've never had that experience. And >> which was like, you know, could be scary at times cuz it's just such a big thing in the world and which is so dumb. But um you know a [clears throat] lot of those conversations where I you know could have lied or or you know you know gone a different direction whatever it might be you know telling the truth allowed me to have conversations with you know these people that aren't believers necessarily and they'd be like oh really you've never why >> and I get to explain and they're like oh I respect that you know and it's like so that that's really my my faith journey and kind of how and then it leads to that leads to here now. You know, I've always wanted to just whatever I did, do it for the Lord and and and be an influence for the Lord. Um, and in Pro Bowl, I don't feel like I did that to the best of my ability. You know, like those are like small little examples where I did it. But, you know, I definitely could have been more outspoken about things and stuff like that, especially with like good buddies I had, you know, I was playing when I was playing. So now that I'm in the YouTube space and the YouTube world and we've got this huge following on the page on the Do Perfect Outdoors page, it's like all I want to do is like just make it known that the most important thing in my life is Jesus, you know? And so, um, I feel like I'm kind of entering this new this new kind of section in my life where a lot of things are becoming more clear and more important to me, especially now that I'm having a son and what I want him to see when he grows up as, you know, as his, you know, watching his father. And so, >> that's kind of my my journey to faith and and all the, you know, I've had a blessed life, man. I really have like thankfully um haven't had anything crazy happen. So, um, yeah. I mean, >> well, I mean, honestly, I commend you for because same thing like >> from the age of 16 and until I, you know, got married because the only person I've had sex with is my wife. >> And so, like I wore a ring on my wedding finger or like on my left, you know, ring finger, >> uh, you know, said worth the weight on it, right? Because I think our church couldn't, you know, afford the true love weights people. [laughter] So, we got the the discount. We're the way people >> and the the questions all through high school, the questions all through college, like, dude, wait, are you married? And then it's like, no, I'm not married. And then I know what the next question's going to be. And then it's going to be like, wait, why? Like, why don't you do that? >> And when I look back, I didn't have a great apologetic, a great answer for that as well. Like I if I could go back I would give a more robust uh reasoning for that about like hey this is you know following these rules that I've you know set forth or that God set forth and choosing to follow these rules that's not what saves me. The gospel of Jesus Christ saves somebody but now I'm called to be like him and you know uh not participate in sexual immorality is one of those things. And um and so being able to do that and be able to look back it's it's always fine. And like I tell people all the time, guys that I coach or whatever, it's like you need to look back on who you were 5 years ago and always be a little bit embarrassed. >> Like wait, I used to do that. I used to think that. I used to wear those. I used to talk to that person. Like you you have to be evolving. And as a Christian, >> salvation is three things. It's past, present, and future tense. So the past tense is your justification. >> Did that come when you were eight? Did that come when you were 12? Did that come at some point in between? We don't really know. But you you've had your justification in that moment. >> Yep. the rest of your life or until Christ comes back. That is your uh sanctification. Like you're on this journey, right? And then one day you're guaranteed to have a glorified body and you be in the presence of your heavenly father. And so that's such an important thing for you to have mapped out and you're already able to you have things that you can tell your son, hey, if you're going to do it like somebody, do it like dad did it. Like follow this path. Because there's too many guys that their entire life in terms of them being a father themselves is about not doing what their father did. Yeah. >> Not going down the same path, not doing the same things, not having the same addictions. >> And so for now for you, like you're a dad now. Like we we don't have the baby outside the womb yet. They still got to cook for a little while, but you know, you are a dad, your wife is a mom, and that's an incredible time. I'm just curious like for you like just be open like about that the the pressure that you feel like you're under because I can tell you after having two sons like I was not a very like I was emotional playing ball right like you know kind of like what you were saying like I was an emotional kid and then I became like incredibly stoic like the only emotion I showed was anger right you know Celtic Irish anger right like all that >> but then now anything that have to do with my boys uh whether it's who they're becoming what I want to provide for them or the thought of like somebody hurting them or someone hurting any type of a child. Yeah. >> Like I can barely stand it, right? And I get like super emotional. So that's like a thing in a male like whenever he finally has progeny like that arrow he's shooting into the next generation. Like that's just a reality. But we're I think we're in the third trimester right now, right? So we're >> we're halfway there. >> Okay. We're still in the second. Yeah. >> Yeah. So y'all are still in the second trimester. >> We're we're getting close, baby. We we know we know it's a boy. I don't know if we have a name or whatever yet or if you're going to tell the Weston. >> Weston. Okay. Fantastic. >> Weston. Andrew. >> Okay. I thought it was going to be Rawlings or East or something like [laughter] that, but Okay. >> So, just what are you feeling right now as you're moving into the season? Cuz I mean, this is going to be different. >> Yeah. It's crazy, man. I I was saying, you know, I grew up like I was such an emotional kid and my mom will tell you that too. Like she was like, "Dude, this kid is so emotional like cry [snorts] about everything, you know?" [gasps] And so, >> but then >> just you feel deeply. That's what Exactly. I just and that's what it dude I loved like I and I still do like so big like >> I I would randomly just go up to everyone in my family give them a hug I love you so much just for no reason you know and I'll still and I still did it like even in high school and college and stuff like I'll just randomly text on group chat like I love y'all so much you know just you know I don't know I've just always been like that but >> yeah growing up dude I would like I was emotional like I would cry no problem when I was a kid you [laughter] know and then probably like in high school early college that like went away, whether that was like hardening of a heart from past relationships that I had, you know, just like in the dating scene or whatever it might be, just, you know, I'd had some pretty traumatic ones, but um I think that's probably where it stems from. I just got like super emotionless when it came to a lot of my life. And so like there was a stretch where probably of like 7 years where probably from like age 20 to maybe 19 19 to like 26 27 no 20 >> 28 this year. Yeah. Yeah. >> This year when I we got pregnant dude I'm not kidding. I don't think I cried but one time when my grandparents passed away >> like in that 10 year stretch basically almost. >> And [snorts] so which was like out of character for me you know like even my mom would be like what is wrong with you? like why you're like you you're not the same you know kid that you used to obviously I grow up you know but like I just wasn't like the same as I was you know which was terrible because I was such like a loving and I was still loving to everybody but it was just different and then you know come this year me and my wife get married in February pregnant in March [laughter] so we wasted no time we just didn't know you know I feel like so many people you know unfortunately struggle with getting pregnant nowadays that we're like let's start. I was like, we're we're both so ready. Like, we don't know how long it's going to take. Thank the Lord. You know, it didn't take any time and we're super blessed. And [gasps and sighs] >> I'm not kidding, dude. Like, she told me that she was pregnant. >> And something switched in me, dude. Like, I was balling. >> It's real, man. >> And now in the last We're halfway there. So, now in the last four and a half months, I've cried more in the last four and a half months than I have in the last 10 years. Like, it's crazy. Like the emotions that I feel now, I I I don't even understand. Like I was we were in Wyoming on vacation and we were just all talking and my sister was like, "You're going to be such a good dad." And [laughter] dude, I was like, >> "That's cheap." >> I started weeping, dude. I was like, "Oh my gosh." I was like, "Why would you say that to me?" [laughter] Like I'm like balling. I love it. >> Sitting there. And so, dude, it's just like I don't know. It's something I've never felt before. I never understood it. People like saying like you don't you won't understand it till you have your you know, your first kid. Dude, I completely understand it. Like, he's not even here yet. And I'm like, all I want to do is protect him. All I want to do is just be the best man that I can possibly be. How can I better myself every day? How can I live more like the Lord? How can I be, you know, the best example for my son when he gets here that I possibly can be? And it's something that I've It's crazy. I think it's just in us, you know, like I've never had thoughts like that before. Like all my thoughts have always been how can I be the best baseball player I can be? I've always put, you know, like I've tried to put Jesus first in my life, but if I look back and like say at the end of the day like have I really done that, you know, especially when I was playing ball, I didn't, you know, unfortunately like baseball was always my number one priority. >> Um, and looking back on it, I wish I could do it differently. Um, but you know, now that I'm out of it and now that I've experienced, you know, a lot of this life and you know, a lot of these things are happening, it's like truly the most important thing to me is my relationship with the Lord and then my wife, you know, like making sure that I'm loving her right, taking care of her, >> and then now my son, you know, and so I'm like I've just had ever since we got pregnant, I'm just like I've just had these thoughts of just like how how can I just be the best man that I can possibly be? What like what does that look like, you know? And and that I think that's literally just being in the word every day and truly trying to be like Jesus every day. You know, I'm not going to be perfect and not going to get there, but as long as every day I'm trying to just be 1% better and try to get there, you know, like I think that's all we can do is just try to be better every single day. And so I don't know, man. I don't know. Maybe you have more insight on it. Not that you have two boys, but like something >> when we got pregnant like I was preparing myself for a girl. I thought it was going to be a girl and I was like, how am I going to protect her? You know, >> like I'll just I'll do everything I can to protect her. Now I've got a son and I'm like, >> what can I like how do I go about this in a way where I raise him to be, you know, the like the man that he needs to be, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. We So, we had a little bit of a different route. So, we we were married for more than 10 years before we started. >> Y >> um we got married young. We were 22. we lost our first two babies and so we have four kids but I've only met two of them. Um, and so that's kind of an un unfortunate thing that that we've had to deal with. And, you know, we still mourn those souls and we believe entirely that those are image bearsers of God and they're in his presence for eternity. And >> um, and I was fully convinced like you, dude, we're going to have girls. Like God's just going to he's going to think it's hilarious uh, giving girls to me and like all this type of stuff. And I can remember us opening the email with the test and it was blue and said boy. And I flipped, man. It was just like the coolest thing. I'm automatically thinking about, oh my gosh, we're gonna play baseball and he's going to learn how to do jiu-jitsu and wrestle and he's just going to be [laughter] he's going to be my little buddy. >> Um, being a little buddy. I'll get back. No go. >> No. And that's like that's and I just don't want to forget to say this is like and this was another at one point when I was just like weeping, dude. Like because I was like I was thinking I was like, "Dude, I was telling my wife I was like I was like, "Babe, I'm like I've been thinking about this. I'm like I'm going to have like a little built-in best friend. I'm like I'm fired up." And then I started thinking, I was like, "But am I?" I'm like, "Did I think of my dad as my best friend when I was growing up?" I was like, "I didn't." You know? I was like, "I don't think I did." And then I started to get like emotional cuz I'm like, "Dude, >> like he's like my my dad's like my best friend now." You know what I mean? Like I want to do everything with my dad. And so >> I'm like I'm so mad at myself that I didn't think that back then. >> And but I'm like, >> think of Weston. >> Well, it's probably better that you didn't >> probably. I'm like now Weston's He's probably going to go through the same thing. He's him. I'm going to think he's like my best friend, he's be like, "Dad, you're annoying me, dude." Like, "Stop." >> But like, if your kid the whole way feels like you're his buddy >> and not dad, like that ain't good, right? Cuz they're not going to respect you probably. >> But like I remember, so this is what everybody told me. They're like, "Hey, >> as soon as you lay eyes on your first kid, especially your first son, >> Yeah. >> your capacity for love is going to expand. And you're going to be like the Grinch where your heart's going to grow like five sizes or whatever and like you're just going to go nuts and you'll never >> your capacity for violence is going to go through the roof cuz you're like if anyone ever tries to hurt this thing. >> Yeah. >> And I remember when I first saw James, I didn't feel any of that. And I was like cuz I was more concerned about the fact that I really couldn't do anything for him. Y >> only mom could. It was like mom and nurses and then for whatever reason they legally let us take him home with us. And so it's like, all right, well, it's just kind of on us, but I can't I can't do any of the the stuff that sustains life here. So I was just trying to do stuff around the periphery. >> And guys that have listened to the show, they've heard the story before. When everything changed for me is when he was 6 weeks old >> because he was having some intestinal issues, some, you know, crazy stomach stuff going on. >> And so we go to the doctor and they said, "Look, um, if you see this, this, and this, it's a dangerous situation. You got to get right back here. You got to go to the kids' ER." >> Yeah. Well, in the middle of the night, this this and this happened, right? And we're like, "Oh, no." And so, literally 2 or 3:00 in the morning, we're flying out of the house to go to U Children's Hospital. We get him in there. His intestines had come out of place >> and the nurses were trying to manually get them back into place. Like, I literally I'm probably going to get choked up just talking about it because we're sitting in this uh like ER waiting room. So, it's not like a room. It's just basically they, you know, they got the the sheet or whatever. >> Yeah. Two nurses come in and both of them they can't manually get the intestines back in place and then they're like, "We've called for the surgeon. He's in surgery right now, but if he can't get them back into place, we got to go into emergency surgery right now." >> Yeah. >> And we're like, "What?" Like, "What? Emergency surgery? Like that sounds terrible." And so, like, we're waiting and we're waiting. We're waiting. It's like, "I just got to go to the bathroom." And so, like I go down the hall, I go to the bathroom. As soon as I get out of the bathroom, I look down the hallway and I can see about eight pairs of feet underneath like the room that my kid is in. Yeah. >> And so I'm like, "Oh, no." And so I take off right I get in there and it's the surgeon and the nurses and my wife and and James, the surgeon's able to manually get his intestines back into place. And as soon as he did and we knew we were out of the woods for emergency surgery, we knew we were going to have to go into surgery later that morning, but it's not an emergency situation. >> I completely fell apart. >> Yeah. >> I completely fell apart because of the relief. And in that exact moment that it was part of it. In that exact moment, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. I I love this thing, this boy, more than anything." >> Yeah. >> And later that morning, a few hours later, I was handing my son, my six-month old son, to a nurse. Yeah. >> For him to go back and get surgery. Or six week old son, not six months, six week old son, handing him off to have surgery. And I fell apart again because I'm like, did I just say bye >> Yeah. >> to my son? Did I just say bye to the arrow that I was trying to shoot into the next generation? Is this last time I'm going to see him? That's when everything changed for me. That's when I felt like anything that was misplaced along the way kind of like clicked into place. It was in the right space at the right time. >> And then from there, he's six and then his brother Eli came. A couple years later, he's four. >> It only elevates. Yeah. Like you will you'll you'll see that man like your capacity for love, for care, for violence, for sacrifice, it's going to go to links that you didn't even think possible. You may not think you're a selfish person right now. And then you have a kid and you're like, "Oh, I might be the most selfish person that's ever personed." And then, you know, if you're going to be a good dad, a good dad will sacrifice everything for his family. sacrifices happiness, sacrifices comfort, sacrifices time to be the head of the household, to love his wife as Christ loved the church, and to raise his children up in the the fear and uh the fear of the Lord, like the the nurture and admonition of the Lord. >> And so that's the mindset that is going to be fast, you know, coming upon you as well. And I I pray that you do have that immediate connection with your son and it doesn't have a delay on it. But yeah, you're going to find that your capacity for that is is going to be substantial. It's going to change for a lot. >> I know, dude. That's got to be that that that's one thing I cannot imagine. And I just pray every day, you know, for I I pray every day, me and my wife, just for health, over her, and over Weston just because like as a parent, that's got to be so hard to feel like you're just completely out of control of the situation. Y, >> you know, I I obviously my parents had to go through that with me. I I came out of the womb with the umbilical cord around my neck and I wasn't breathing. I came out like black and blue like no pulse, no brea like I was not breathing and obviously they got me back and um and then like you know didn't really have any health issues after that but then I think when I was like 5 years old maybe four or 5 years old we were at the ranch and my I was like taking a nap and my mom realized that I was like like my ribs were like caving in. My chest was caving in when I was breathing. It was like super like you know and so I ended up getting lifellighted and had some like crazy asthma attack and you know had to get lifellighted. >> How old were you again? I was like four or five probably so I don't really remember that one >> but got lifellighted super serious like you know really bad and uh you know came out of the woods of that and then um I was probably and then I dealt with asthma after that but never had like another bad one until I was probably like 10 or 11. I remember this one vividly. I woke up and like physically could not breathe which is just the worst feeling ever. like horrible feeling because like you're trying to but you can't get anything in. And so I like I'm like trying to work my way downstairs while I'm also trying to breathe to my mom and my dad's in New York playing. And I like wake her up and this is where I'm just like as a parent I can't even imagine like and this is like I haven't thought about this stuff until now. Like I said like there's just so many things I'm thinking about now now that I'm having my own kid and I'm like I wake my mom up and I'm like literally cannot breathe. And so she's like she's just in a deep sleep. wakes up to that. Yeah. >> And so she has to call 911. I remember I'm on the floor like just trying to breathe and then take me to the ambulance and I remember I get there to the hospital and they put me on a breathing machine and you know get me going again. And um so I'm just like yeah I I I it's got to be tough as a parent to to go through that stuff. And you know I think that's when when you said like you you know if you don't think you're selfish now you know but I'm like that's one thing I've been praying about. I'm like, reveal to me, Lord, what I need to change about myself and how I can better myself to be the best father and husband that I can be. And literally, that is like one thing that has been so heavy on my mind. I'm like, and I've talked to a couple buddies about this. I've talked to my brother about it. I talked to my wife. I'm like, dude, I've been like I'm like I'm such a selfish person, dude. [laughter] >> I'm like, I'm the most selfish person on earth. Like, I don't ever ask anybody how they're doing. I'm I'm like I'll ask my wife how her day was, but I'm like anybody else in my life, I'm like, "Let's just talk about me." I'm like, "I've got this going on. I got this going on." >> You know, I'm doing all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't ever ask anybody else how they're doing. I'm like, I'm the most selfish person on earth. Oh my gosh. And I'm like, I need to like change this about myself because at the end of the day, now that especially now, one, I need to change. I'm married now. My wife should be first. I need to make sure she's good, you know? And two, I'm about to have a kid. I'm [laughter] like, if I'm selfish and I'm only thinking about me and not my wife and how my kid are doing and if they're taking care of like >> disaster. I'm like, so it's it's just like it's funny that you said that. Um cuz that's like one thing that I feel like the Lord has just made known to me. I'm like, God, good lord. I'm like I'm that selfish. >> But the fact that you're even thinking about this right now because again, look back on who you were 5 years ago, be a little bit embarrassed. Well, 5 years ago, we had one kid. He was real young. And I even look back then and I'm like, "Oh gosh, I just look at all the missteps." Yeah. Just within my own household, my attitude, within my marriage, within being a father, and then then you're just going to have a deluge of stupid things that you're going to do and say. >> Yeah. >> And then you're going to be like, "How how that how was how was that even in there? Why why did I say that?" >> And your entire job almost starts to feel like for your son is to not mess him up that bad. >> [laughter] >> It's like I need him to have some therapy but not a lot of therapy, right? And but but at the end of the day, when you can model for for your children what a godly man is, >> it's easier for you because you grew up under the headship of a godly man. Yeah. Not a perfect man, but a godly man. >> So that's my goal for James and Eli. And the other the other big thing I'll give one like uh I charge for most of my advice. This is going to be for free though, so I won't be sending you an invoice. No. the difference in praying for your family and then praying over your family. I can't even remember who I was talking to. I would love to be able to give this man credit, but he was asking me about, you know, the ministry is asking me about different things. And he's like, he asked me about my prayer life. And then I think I said something like, "Oh yeah, you know, I I pray uh for I pray for my family. I pray with my family." And he goes, "With like, yeah." He's like, "Not over." And I was like, it was like it immediately I was like, "Oh no, that's not the same thing." >> Cuz I'm like, "Oh man, I'm crushing it." Like I pray for my family when they're not with me. And when we're together, we pray before we put them down. We are the most godly people ever, right? >> He's like, "No, no, no. You need to pray over your family." >> Yeah. >> Your family needs to hear you praying for them out loud. >> Yeah. >> So with your wife, like you ask her what's going on. You ask how she you can pray for her. And then you basically repeat that stuff back in the presence of the Lord and you're praying that over your wife, an aspirational identity, an aspirational destination, whatever. Same thing with my sons. Like one of my favorite things to do, and this is why I I I really control my travel time and I control how much I'm gone and all of that is because after we do, you know, dinner and bath time and all that, I go and lay in bed with both of my sons. We just talk about their day, right? and I just wind them up and let them go and they tell me stories and you know if anything bad happened which is not normal but we just you know ask them ask them about that but then before I go to bed it's like all right buddy I got to go to bed but let me pray for you and they'll just nuzzle right into me right >> and then I pray over them yeah >> Lord thank you so much for giving James to me for giving Eli to me thank you that I get to be their daddy thank you that you you trust me to raise them as a son Lord I pray that They will get smarter. They will [clears throat] become tough but also very tender. And then I always win oh I always end prayers with something along the lines of and and I pray that they will one day dedicate their entire lives to you and accept the free gift of of the gospel in Jesus name. Amen. >> So my boys are hearing what type of man I want them to become. >> Yeah. >> In the prayer every night. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Right. >> Because I don't want them to have that identity crisis. I don't want them to have a comparison crisis. I don't want them to be sitting around one day not knowing what it means to be a man, not knowing what it means to be a follower of Christ and doing what I did when I was 15. And I just came to the conclusion that those were separate things. Manly men are over here doing man stuff. Godly men are over here wearing khakis and praying for people, right? And so [clears throat] they're not going to have that because it's just going to be the air that they breathe. >> And it's such a game changer for your family. But yeah, I mean, from the sounds of it, you're you're getting in the right mindset now for what it's going to take to be a good husband and father. >> Yeah. No, for sure. Yeah. And that that's all attributed to my to my mom and dad. Seriously. Like I I emulate I try to emulate everything that my dad does and he is the most godly man that I've ever met. Like truly most generous godly godly man. Like everything he does, he tries to do it, you know, to help other people or to further the kingdom of God. and and so, you know, I don't know, it's just when I say like stuff's instilled to me, I think it's just because of just how I grew up and that's all I saw, you know, and so I'm just very very thankful for it. >> Um, and this is a little bit of a change of direction, but have you seen have you have you seen that guy Dylan Mandel? Is that how you say Mandel? Um, >> I don't think so. >> He's he's blown up a ton on like Instagram. You've probably seen him. He's had cancer for the fourth time now. um big jack dude, but he's a little bit younger. He's probably early 20s, I think. >> Okay. >> Um but I just and this is just like this is just like life stuff where I'm just like thinking I'm like, you know, >> whatever it might be. But um he's had cancer for the fourth time now, I think. And he was just on um I think he may have been on Joby at one point too, recently. Okay. On his podcast, maybe. Um, but he was like the whoever was interviewing I think it was George Jenko was like you know for people that don't know this is your fourth time to have cancer and he's like 24 years old 25 years old and he was like you know do you know what cancer it is now and he that Dylan kid who has cancer is like he's like no but I don't really care and this kind of just goes back to the mental thing of like what what is your identity in and he was just like he he was like no he's like I don't care anymore. He's like, "Truly, I do not care. I He's I used to get so in my head about doctor's reports and what it came back with, you know, how's the cancer doing? Is it gone?" And it consumed my life. And he was like, >> truly, he was like, "The Lord," he lives in every square inch of me. That is all I care about now. He's like, "I don't know what cancer I have. I don't know how long it's been there." He was like, "It used to consume my life, but now all I all I do now is just make sure that the word is all that I consume." And I'm like, goodness, dude. I'm like, I couldn't imagine like going through something like that. I'm over here like >> whatever [snorts] baseball problem I had or whatever life little life problem I had that day, I let it just ruin my whole entire day. You know, it just really puts into perspective like just these different life problems that everybody has. But this kid who's had cancer four times is like, >> I don't care. The Lord, you know, Jesus lives in me. all I can do is, you know, try to make the best out of every day and and make sure that I'm I'm leading people, you know, to the Lord and doing whatever I can, whether it's family, friends, whatever it might be. So stuff like that, dude, just like puts in such perspective, especially now that I've got, you know, my own son coming on the way, like how can I, you know, be that strong in my faith to where I'm like that I'm so my faith is so strong that you would have no idea that I was having a bad day. You know what I mean? I'm able to put that to the side cuz at the end of the day, that I mean, it doesn't matter, you know? All that matters is what I'm doing every day to protect my family, to do right by them, and to make sure I'm leading them in the faith. >> Well, what a testimony that's going to be. I remember, >> gosh, this would have been >> over a decade ago now. I can't really remember, but there was this gal, my wife's in the photography industry, and there was a gal named Abigail Smith, uh, beautiful young lady with, you know, big curly red hair and all that. uh three siblings. They were all entrepreneurs and you know any anyway. So she got cancer and she would have been in her early 20s maybe uh similar to this guy you're talking about and she chose to forego treatment. Um because the cancer was aggressive. Uh the treatment was going to be brutal, incredibly physically brutal. >> Um and she chose not to be treated. And I mean, as you can imagine, all of her friends, all the people that loved her, family were like begging her like like you've got to do this, you got to fight, you got to all that. And she goes, "No, >> like I love the Lord." And gosh, her story is just so incredible. You talk about getting emotional where she's just like, "I love the Lord so much." And it's like, like, I'm I'm not going to treat my life cheaply, but if the Lord calls me home, why wouldn't I go? >> Yeah. It's just like and then people were following her story and she passed away quickly, right? It was it was very brutal and aggressive. But her legacy is not she fought hard and lost or that you know she had she took some wonderful pictures or you know that she was a beautiful young lady or anything. Her legacy was a legacy of faith. >> Yeah. >> That she had been imputed with the righteousness of Christ. She accepted the free gift of grace that was accomplished on the cross. And you know she never got married. She never had a family, like none of those things. But that wasn't what she was put on this planet to do. >> Yeah. >> Um and we can't know for certain because, you know, cancer, all that stuff. That's a product of the fall. That's a product of living in a post Genesis 3 world. Like that our bodies could literally attack us and kill us. >> Uh but I mean, just think about her legacy and what people were able to learn from her situation. Like I can't remember anyone's name, right? Like I've had to look down at my paper because I had to write your name down a few times. It's [laughter] not that bad. But like I can't remember anyone's name and I haven't thought about her in years and boom, it just kind of came out. And what is her legacy to me? I can't pick one of the pictures she snapped out of a lineup. I can't any of those things, but it's just her legacy of a gospel. And so, man, it's so encouraging to me because you never know what it's like, you know, for someone else's family. But to hear you talk about, you know, how godly, you know, your your father was and still is and what your family was able to do and accomplish, it kind of really sets you up. And, you know, as we even transition uh to something we were talking about at lunch, like you grew up, baseball was just kind of the air that you breathe, right? Your dad didn't force it on you and your brothers and didn't force sports on your sister, any of those types of things. It was just air that you breathe. But also, you grew up in the outdoors. You grew up hunting, fishing, camping, and which is funny because when people are like, "Wait, the petits, what where'd you do all that?" Central Park, right? Because they just assumed you all lived in New York and like that was your entire life was, you know, taxi cabs, Broadway, and you know, Yankee Stadium. >> But like you grew up doing all that stuff, all the stuff that little boys want to do. >> And so like growing up, what was that like? because it's like you it didn't didn't [clears throat] you didn't necessarily get to choose it but you know now especially it's like oh yeah I'm super glad that's what we all did growing up. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's it is crazy because um like my dad growing up he he's from Louisiana Baton Rouge. His dad didn't hunt like or fish or anything. He was like his dad was on the SWAT team in Baton Rouge. Like just a jacked guy. Like he he just loved to lift. >> Yeah. Just loved to lift. Like my dad would be like dude I would just hear we call him Pawpa. He's like, "I would just hear Papa and his buddies in our garage just screaming [laughter] and just throwing weight around." Yeah. Like he was so big. I'm And who knows if this story is true or not. I think it's true. I don't know why I would lie about it, but he was so jacked at one point um that >> they were like doing some sort of like like detail for the Saints. Um and they were like, >> "Will you come try out for the team like be like an offensive line?" Yeah. Yeah. And so he didn't. He didn't. He was but but he was just that big. And um so he was just into lifting and stuff like that and just taking care of his family. But but my dad had an uncle who you know he he was he hunted and fish and all that stuff. Didn't have like anything crazy. Had like a couple acres I think that he could hunt on um in Louisiana. And so my dad like went with him a couple of times and um just kind of got eaten up got eaten up with it and killed his first deer and then was just hooked. And so, but still wasn't able to do much. You know, I don't, you know, they didn't have like a ton of money, so it's not like they could just go do these hunts wherever they wanted to. >> Um, and so he kind of just went on with life, played baseball, was able to have a very successful career. And so, in 1997 or 98, he was able to purchase um a ranch with a guy that was in our church who has now passed away, but um and so then I was born in '98. So, we've had that ranch ever since I was born. This is Los Sedaris. >> Loader ranch. Yeah. Had it ever since I was born. Um and so thankfully baseball the off season of baseball is like prime deer hunting season. So like thankfully the season doesn't bleed into hunting season really unless you make it to the World Series and it goes into hurry up and win or lose like >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So um it would bleed into it for him like early season when it was 100 degrees so it didn't really matter. But, um, I'm telling you, when baseball season would end, we'd be going right down to the ranch, and he would just train at the ranch and then we'd kind of just bounce back and forth from home in the ranch. You know, we lived in Texas, like a 4-hour drive um to the ranch. But, dude, I I grew up there. Like, it's all I wanted. It's literally that place is the only place I ever wanted to be. I hated leaving it. Like, when we would go there for like Thanksgiving for that whole break, like I just wanted to stay. when we go for Christmas for that full two weeks, I'd be like depressed having to go back to school. And so like that place was like like heaven on earth for us. And um yeah, I don't know. That's it's just where, you know, I fell in love with hunting. I fell in love with fishing. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you probably feel it. I know you said you didn't grow up doing it either. Is that right? >> Yeah, that's right. I didn't grow up doing it. you do it for the first time, it it's like there's something in you, >> you know, like that that primal in >> you don't have to go a bunch of different times to figure out if you like it or not. >> One time. >> Yeah. I mean, and I'll tell you exactly when it happened. I told you about my first, you know, hunt down in Texas >> and when, you know, these guys, these experienced hunters were showing me how to, you know, skin it, you know, get the backstraps out and like I didn't know anything about the anatomy of a white-tailed deer. Had nothing, but I just whatever they told me to do, I would do. And that night for dinner, we cooked the backstrap >> for the for the all the guys in camp. There were like six of us. >> The backstrap of the animal that I had killed that morning. And I was like, >> "Oh, okay." It's like, I got it. Because it's one thing to, you know, get in a blind. It's one thing to, you know, have a rifle, make sure you got the right ammunition, make sure you brought the bolt with you, you know, like all those little things that I've heard hunters, you know, had mistakes with or something. But then you you shoot the animal, >> but then you don't see it go down, but you were told by the people, "Don't get out of your stand until we come and get you." And so for hours, >> you're sitting there thinking, "I missed." Like you don't you don't know to listen for the whoop. Like you don't know anything, right? >> Yep. >> Then you get down, you get out there, you find your animal. Like you you pray over the animal. Thank you, God, for giving us this great animal and this meat. >> But like I just remember going through the whole process being kind of like touchandgo. like, okay, nothing grossed me out, but I was like, I don't, you know, just trying to listen. But when we when we bit into that backstrap, I was like, I got to figure out out a way to keep doing this. >> Yeah. Yeah. I can eat this every day. >> Yeah. Like, how can I have friends that can do this type of thing? And as I've said a lot on the show before, when you start hunting in your 20s, all those mistakes that hunters make when they're little bitty kids, you make as an adult. Yeah. Right. And I've got a long list of mistakes, some funny, some not so funny. Right. one that we talked about at lunch where it's like, you know, some really sketchy mistakes and things like that. Uh that luckily didn't cost me too much, but being able to learn those lessons and I thought about it specifically even in my mid20s. I was like, if I have a son someday, like I want to be able to not only be able to provide for him in this way, but also I want him to know how to do this stuff. >> Yeah. >> And if I don't know how to do it, then I'm constantly going to be leaning on other people to do it. But like even back to to your upbringing, like you're just doing it all the time. Yeah. So like out there on the ranch like so like how many acres is it? Is it Do y'all have it just strictly for whitetail? But I mean you have like havalas or hogs and stuff down there as well, but is it just basically straight up whitetail ranch? >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a little over 5200 acres. Um so it's a you know a good chunk. Um and yeah, strictly white tail. We don't sell hunts. Um there's havalina on there, hogs, coyotes, bobcats. uh occasional mountain lion that'll hop, you know. >> Have you ever seen one? >> Oh, I've seen one. We've never killed one, though. Like, that's like my dream is to get one of those. >> Got to get some dogs. >> Um Yeah, I know. We actually called some dogs out and they just got on a bobcat. So, >> I was like, dude, [laughter] go find a bigger cat. Like, come on. What are we doing? >> Exactly. So, we don't sell haunts or anything. It's literally strictly for family and friends. And that's what I mean, dude. Like, my dad is so generous. Like there there's we have >> cuz these are once in a li some of these bucks are once in a lifetime >> animals genetically speaking. >> Yeah. Like my dad loves actually I don't even know if he loves like entertaining people. I don't necessarily think he does but he just does it cuz you know he's so big on family and not just like our internal family like extended family you know like he he does everything he can to take care of everybody in our family. And so like he built this, you know, great house and couple other like smaller houses like right next to it just so we could have like, you know, our our internal family and then have like all of our aunts and uncles and all of our cousins and all of our grandparents all be able to come like during no during Thanksgiving and during Christmas and just come and enjoy the outdoors, enjoy hunting with us, you know. So, um, growing up, like it was like a blast cuz we' just have like we'd have like 35 40 people down there at once, you know? Maybe not 40, but like 30 to 35 people all at once, and it's like it's all our cousins and, you know, they're they're trying to get into hunting and and fishing and the outdoors and stuff like that. So, [snorts] it's just fun, man. It's like it it there there's nothing more pure than being out like out in the outdoors and experiencing that kind of stuff with your with your family. Especially like my dad, you know, like >> yeah, >> there's not a lot of hunts. I can remember like some of my, you know, big deer that I've killed, but like I remember every single hunt that I've had with my dad. Like genuinely, like >> that's awesome. >> I remember the first deer I killed with him when I was like 7 years old. like down to like the littlest detail, which is just insane to me because I have a terrible memory. But like that's something I remember. I remember the first, you know, dough I shot at with my bow when I was like 10 years old or 11 years old, whatever it was. And my, you know, exactly where we were sitting, what my dad was telling me, like I'm drawing back and he's like, "Just breathe, dude. Relax." Cuz I'm like [laughter] I'm like shaking. And they're like looking up at me. Dude, I I'm not going to lie. Like I I panic fired cuz they when I drew back, they all looked up. There was like five of them out there and I drew back and he's like, "Just breathe, dude. Relax." And they take off running and I panic, dude. And I just launched an arrow, dude, at this dough while she was running. Dude, I was like 11 years old. My first shot at like a live animal, >> right? >> And I felt very prepared for it. And then I got in the situation. I panicked, dude. Like I did nothing. >> I No, I hit her. I hit her in the I hit her in the ham. I hit her in the ham. >> We We looked for Didn't find her. Thankfully, we were able to, you know, I we sat there with a rifle the next couple days and was able to get another shot in her. But, um, yeah, I mean, just like the Yeah, it's crazy. Like, the outdoors has just brought so much to my life and, um, and now I'm like doing it for a living, which I'm like so thankful for, for my dad to introduce me to it at such a young age. And now that I'm getting to do it for a living, like >> he's brought us on all these great hunts, you know, white tail, whatever it might be. and then he got done playing baseball and we started doing elk hunts and so like every year in September that's been our thing like me, him and my brother, unfortunately Luke, my youngest brother hasn't been able to go cuz baseball season still going on. >> Um but me and my dad, my older brother every year will go on an elk hunt together. Um which is an absolute blast. And now that we're doing this for a living, the Do Perfect Outdoor stuff, we're going to Africa on Saturday and we're doing it uh the video is going to be a fatherson trip. So Tyler's going to bring his dad and then me and Josh are bringing our dad. So it's like >> kind of a cool full circle moment where like >> he's done all this stuff for us in the, you know, hunting and whatever it might be, you know, paying for these trips. We're going to get to >> take him on this Africa trip where, you know, we're kind of taking care of everything for him and and getting to do that. And he's always wanted to go to Africa. So it'll be fun to do that. >> What are you all going to be hunting out there? >> He's So my dad's want to go after a cape. That'll be like the main animal that he wants to get. Yeah, with a bow. Everything's going to be with a bow. Everything's bow. Um, and so I want to go after an eland. Yeah, I want to go after an eand. >> You'll be able to eat that for about a year and a half. >> Yeah. Well, we won't, but >> Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, [laughter] we'll be able to bring the meat back, but there'll be a lot of families. Yeah, they will get fed. So, um, it'll be fun, man. I'm super super excited for that. >> Hey guys, real quick, I just wanted to remind you that we have an official Undaunted Life store. You can go to shop.unaunted.life or check it out in the show notes. Guys, we're always going to have hats and shirts and a bunch of other awesome stuff. Go there, support us, wear the mission. Again, it's shop.undaunted.life. Check out the link in the show notes. Shop.undaunted.life. Well, so I remember cuz we were talking over lunch. We were trying to like figure like figure out how we like came across each other and or the different content and whatever. >> [clears throat] >> I remember following the ranch as like one of the first things I followed on Instagram because like around the same time that I got Instagram was around the same time I went on my first hunt and the I mean who knows what the algorithm was doing 10 years ago compared to what it's doing now but if you liked like ah hunting post like 15 of the next 20 things you were shown were going to be hunting stuff >> and I just liked uh you know the videos the way that they were shot and dude at the time I didn't know anything about whitetail really like I didn't know how to like a, you know, figure out how old a buck was or like what a shooter was versus what a shooter wasn't. You know, a shooter in >> Georgia is not the same as a shooter in Iowa. Like, and like those kinds of things. I just didn't know anything. I was like, "Oh, this is cool." Like, it was ranch. They got deer. That's [laughter] that's awesome. Let's follow it. >> And so, but then I also remember like it was around that time probably when I started like watching Dude Perfect or whenever they really started like to to pop off with their channel and whatever. And I always remember uh Tai wearing the ranch's hat and I was like, "Oh, oh, hey, wait." Like I know that logo. Yeah. And so like at what point did uh did y'all meet Tai? Was this before the Dude Perfect stuff or like how did y'all initially get connected? >> Yeah. So this was after like we got connected way after they had already they were already huge. Um, we we would go uh every offseason we would go as a whole family. Like my dad would we'd bring everybody like internal family, extended family, we'd all go to Hawaii. So like 35 of us would all fly to Hawaii and just you know have a little vacation there. And so we kind of continue to do that. We did it on our own this one year. And uh we were eating breakfast one morning and in Hawaii and me and my little brother were like, "Oh my gosh, that's Dude Perfect sitting over there like at this other table." >> Um and then at the same time we didn't know, now we know. They were like, "Oh my gosh, that's Andy Petty >> Pett over there." >> Yeah. Yeah. And so we we got done eating. We didn't go up to them just cuz I you know >> they're eating. I you know we we know how it is like probably don't want to be bothered that you know they people have done that to my dad and it's like just can we wait till after I get done eat >> wait till I pay the check at least. >> Yeah. So we we walked out and they ended up being done shortly after that and we were just hanging out in the lobby and they all came up and introduced themselves uh and introduced themselves to us and so I think I was probably 16 18 at the time. Yeah, I was 18. Um because it's been 10 or 11 years almost. But um yeah, and so they introduced themselves and you know, we knew Tyler was a big hunter. Um and so we we invited them all down to the ranch like, "Hey, you want to come to the ranch, you know, this year? We'd love to have you down." Tyler and Garrett ended up coming um that first year. And then Garrett hasn't come back since, but um he's been invited. Just want to make that known. He just >> Oh, you slap. He's on the internet. Okay. Garrett's still in good standing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Tyler, he he came down as well. And Tyler's come down every year since then. And and we have like this very sacred men's hunt that we have where it's like all my dad's best friends and then all of you know me and Josh's friends. And so Tyler's worked his way into that kind of core group. And so we literally for the last just 10 or 11 years, we've just grown a friendship through through hunting, like grown such a strong friendship through hunting in the outdoors. And um probably about three years ago, Tyler brought it four years ago now. probably was like, "Hey, I want to like maybe do like do Perfect Outdoors at some point. Would you all like be down to do that?" And we were like, "Dude, yeah, for sure." >> At the time, I was still playing, so I was like, you know, if it works, it works. But then, you know, he mentioned it, hadn't nothing was really said after that. Um, years kind of went on. We went on with our life and kept doing what we were doing. And and then last year um when would this have been last probably April Tyler called me and was like hey remember that do perfect.org saying that we were talking about well you know we're we're going to start it. Will you quit your job and come do this full-time? And I was like yeah >> the easiest. >> I was like I will quit my job today. I was like I would quit my job today if I could be able to hunt and fish for a living. And so I quit and you know moved up to the Dallas Frisco area. I'm in Prosper now, but um and we started it. It took a little bit to get it going. Like I thought it was going to be like ready to go, you know, like right when I got there in whatever it was, May or whatever. But um there's a lot more that goes into it than you think, you know, and so a lot of planning on what the first, you know, cuz Dude Perfect has built such an amazing company um and so much trust among their fans and parents, you know, that they would never want to do anything obviously to like ruin that trust. And I know sometimes, you know, hunting [snorts] can be a touchy subject for some people. So, um we really dug into like what does this first video look like? like how and how do we make it as appetizing as possible in every video? How do we make it as educational as possible for people that want to get into it or maybe don't know anything about hunting? Um, and really show more of the why and you know the real purpose of why we're doing it and not just the killing aspect of it because there's so many channels out there that are just all about the kill, you know, and that's all there is. Like it's 15 minutes and it's just like the shot and then it's over and you're like, "Okay, well what now?" You know? So, um, there was a lot of talks about what this channel was going to look like. And ultimately, we we started the video out with a dove hunt. We felt like that would probably be the best one to start out just cuz we can kind of incorporate everybody. Yeah. >> You know, all the dudes and me and Josh into that that one video. Um, we were able to take one of we call him the intern. Um, we were able to take him on his first hunt. So, that was like very important to us, especially for this, you know, you know, the crowd that we're kind of tailoring towards. um and get his first hunt and that experience, you know, what it was like for him to be able to do that for the first time. And he absolutely loved it, which was fun to watch. But um yeah, so I think, you know, we wanted to do it the right way. We wanted to keep that trust among the families and the parents. You know, we didn't want to do anything to kind of, you know, put a mark on the dude perfect name. Um and it's been amazing, dude. Like, it has been so amazing. I know they've had a lot of families come up and be like, "This channel has been just an absolute blast to watch." Like, >> so appreciative of how you're, you know, going about it. You know, the why behind it. So, like everything that we we, you know, were thinking about and trying to make a, you know, cautious effort to incorporate, you know, people are mentioning it. So, that's like super gratifying. Um, so it's been a blast, man. Like I also we we joke too I thought it was going to be like strictly hunting channel >> for the most part. I don't know why I thought that but like cuz you can't hunt your I mean you can hunt year round but it's like virtually impossible, right? >> And so it's actually been fun uh because I've had to >> we've done stuff that have like has really got me out of my comfort zone. Like for all my life I just hunted white tail and elk for the most part. Like never really left the country, never really done anything crazy like that. And so I think now we've done we've gone to the Everglades to catch pythons with our bare hands, which that was my idea. That was a blast. I had an absolute blast doing that. We've gone to Mexico to go lobster diving, which I hate the ocean. So like doing that was way out of my comfort zone. And I was like, lobster diving, dude? Like this sounds boring. And so >> I was like, this isn't going to be fun until we got there was an absolute blast. Like I would like can't wait to do it again. And so but like just things like that like that I never even thought about doing. And so like I'm so thankful for that. It's put me out, you know, really put me out of my comfort zone. And then we've done spear fishing, which again I was like I was like I don't really care to do spear fishing, you know? I'm like I'm not really a guy that likes to try new things. Like I've got my things, you know? >> I like this and this. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so it's like really forced me to do things that I'm uncomfortable with, which has been amazing for me. And like I told you, like my number one fear is sharks. And we went to the Bahamas, which is I didn't know the shark capital of the world. And they told us, they're like, "Dude, you're going to see a ton of sharks while you're there." Like, >> you're killing fish. Yeah. They come out of the sharks come out of nowhere. Like, they sense it, they smell it, whatever it is. They just There will be no sharks and then you'll shoot a fish and then there's sharks, dude. Like, the spear fishing video comes out uh this month and it is like it's it's really good. I don't want to give too much away, but um yeah, like that's the most I thought was going to be like the most uncomfortable I' ever been. But that's like one of the things it's like you don't know until you try. And usually I feel like you build something up in your head so much that you're like this is going to be the worst. Like it's going to be so scary and like I'm so terrified to do this. It ended up being like like we encountered sharks, but I was like it was like really cool, you know? Like it was cool. Like we got our spears and like >> there's like one scene where we're literally like there's like 10 sharks around us and we just killed a fish and they're like trying to get this fish and like we're all like eight dudes like in a circle like we're like in Sparta or something and we've got our spears like >> you're in a like stay away. >> Yeah. Literally following these sharks around like one like I didn't even realize but when we watched the video back there was a shark little reef shark got like this close to my foot and I didn't even know it was there. I didn't even know until I saw the video back like until we rolled the video back and I was like, "Dude, that thing could have got my legs so easily." Yeah. >> And like saw some massive tiger sharks and it was it was sketchy, but it was fun. So like all that stuff like we And sorry this is like very long- winded, but you know, >> this like these are the details. This is what the people came for. >> Yeah. But like I was telling you, me and my brother, we just did a road trip for the video. Frisco to Wyoming and we stopped in Colorado and then we stopped in Utah and then ended in Wyoming. Um, and just kind of did different activities, you know, along the way. We whitewater rafted in Colorado. And then Josh is Josh is like he's like a big hiker. He loves hiking, which I don't mind. I enjoy hiking, but it's not like I'm like, "Yeah, let's go on a hike." Right. >> And he was like, but I wanted he he wanted to do a 14er, which is just like, you know, climb a mountain that's 14,000 ft elevation. And so >> I was like, all right, let's do it. >> And so we did it, you know, did that 14er and like it's just that's like one of the things that I wouldn't have cared to do, but like this channel has kind of forced me into it. And I'm like so thankful for it cuz we did it. And dude, like when I'm like it's it was so physically demanding and hard and it like breaks you down kind of and you just start like looking around and I'm like >> I started thinking about and we were pregnant at this point and this is like another one of those times where I got emotional cuz I'm like I'm just looking around. I'm like >> we were at the bottom of this mountain basically and this mountain was huge, you know, from the bottom. I'm now threearters of the way up this mountain and this mountain is still huge, you know, and you don't and then I'm like and then I just like start thinking about my son and like just how crazy that whole experience is and like just thinking about like just the whole just how like specific and detailed God is. And so I'm like thinking about how big this mountain is and how like I'm like how can someone not believe in God? I'm like this thing is just so big. so detailed, so beautiful. And then I start thinking about myself, I'm like all the stuff that goes into like from, you know, when it's a tiny little cell and it what it grows into being. And it's like I'm just like I'm I'm like walking up this mountain, I'm just like mind blown and I'm just like having these deep thoughts that I've just never had before in my life, you And I'm like, so like those little things that this channel has kind of, you know, forced us into doing. And I say forced, like it's just like not really forced, like we wanted to do it. It's just like there's always things that we've wanted to do that we just didn't do. And this just kind of gives us the opportunity to just go and do it. Um, so like this channel's like really pushed me and I I think helped me grow as a man, you know, and really just have these deeper, >> you know, thoughts and these deeper experiences that I maybe wouldn't have pushed myself to do in the first place. So, the channel, all that to say, the channel's been amazing. Like, so thankful for the channel. It's been an absolute blast. I'm so excited for like where it's going from here. >> Um, but yeah, long-winded, but yeah. >> No. Well, and you'll be even more of a man after you kill a gator with with your bare hands. So, we'll get you. I mean, cuz Yeah, pythons. Yeah, whatever. No big deal. But like the gator those are dinosaurs, right? So, they're dinosaurs that they just apparently let roam free, you know, in the United States of America. So, >> does your uh wrestling and jiu-jitsu help you in that at all? Uh maybe >> because I've [laughter] done I've done I've I've done one I've done one jiu-jitsu class >> in Houston. I can fix that too. >> Josh, my older brother, he was like he had been going for like a couple weeks and he was like, >> "Dude, it's the best workout you'll ever have in your life. Like it's so fun. Like just come with me." And I was like, "Okay, I'll do it." >> Do you know who Eve Edwards is? He used to fight in the UFC. Yeah. Yeah. So, we went to his gym and he was the coach and he was leading it and everything >> and >> I'm a huge UFC fan so I knew who he was and I was like, "Oh, this is sick. I didn't know he was the coach." Like, >> and dude, we did it >> and I mean, so I know it's different every night, but like the night that I went and I only did it once. I only did it once. We ended up moving a couple months later and I just had never went back. We This was in Houston. I ended up moving to Dallas area. So, yeah. >> Um, >> but it was an absolute blast. Best workout I've ever had. But that night specifically, we were working on I don't even know what it's called, but basically, you know, we started on the ground and uh and you know what position it is, I'm sure, but you your partner, you get with a partner, he's behind you, he's got his legs wrapped around you. Yeah. >> And basically, you ought to start rolling and >> back control. >> Yeah. Back control. And uh which is also a very humbling experience. And so there [snorts] was like a group of 14 of us and we were doing I think 10 I think we did 10 five minute rounds. You don't realize how exhausting it is. >> Oh yeah, >> dude. I had never sweated so much in my life. >> And like the next morning I woke up, dude, the most sore I've ever been. I [laughter] was like like I was dying. >> It's like are my palms sore? >> Dude, my chin was sore from like trying to like not like let anybody get my neck. [clears throat] >> And so um and I was like, dude, my whole life I was like I was always on the side like I think I could >> Yeah. I I could beat this guy up. Like he's 140 lb, you know? Like I'm 220, 230. There's zero chance that this guy could get me. Dude, [clears throat] there was a 14-year-old. This was 2 years ago. I was 26 years old. There was a 14-year-old in there that had been training his whole life in there. >> And Eve told us, he's like, "This guy's legit." And I was like, "There's zero chance that this 140 pound >> Say it out loud." >> No, but in my head, I was telling Josh, my brother, like he can't there's no chance. Like, he can't tap me out. Like, I'm literally more almost twice the size in weight. >> Yep. >> I'm like, there's zero chance, dude. I'm not kidding. In this five minutes, this 14-year-old kid tapped me out I think a total of like eight or nine times. >> Yep. >> Like was [clears throat] getting me in positions that I didn't even know were like possible. And I was just like immediately I was like so I don't even think I think I tapped him out maybe one time and it's just cuz I like I put so much pressure on like his neck with just my whole entire body but I couldn't get him in anything. >> Yeah. Like it was the most it was the most insane thing. And like I was like, "All right, there's a new found level of respect here." >> Dude, people people [clears throat] that have not even done what you've done, having done one class, they have no earthly idea how ill equipped they are to fight. [clears throat] And if you go up against somebody that has been trained to fight in like a real martial art, like jiu-jitsu, wrestling, western boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, like something like that, judo, it's like, so Gordon Ryan, who's probably the the best overall jiu-jitsu practitioner of all time, mainly no ghee, >> but someone asked him, you know, about, you know, getting in fights with bigger guys and all that, and Jordan's a big guy, especially whenever he was on like he was so juicy at one point as he could have been Tropicana. like he was as juicy as juicy gets but big guy >> but he's just like >> he's like I've been in so many street fights cuz guys just want to test the jiu-jitsu guy and he's like it's all the same >> like because a guy that's never trained wrestling as soon as you touch his legs he just kind of falls over >> and then you just you mount them you hit him a few times they they spin around they expose their back and neck and you just choke them unconscious and you get them you just walk away. >> Yeah. And people are like, "Oh, it can't be that easy. You know, I'm just going to see red and bodies are going to start to fall and if I was really wanting to fight." But when you go and get smashed by a teenager, Yeah. >> right >> or someone that you outweigh and because again, especially for athletes, right? And like baseball players are really good athletes. We've had a couple guys that used to play in the NFL uh that have come through our gym. You spent your entire life using your body to dominate. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, if you're a football guy or a wrestling guy or something like that, you've used your body to dominate other people physically. Like, the skill it takes to be really good at baseball is like it's substantial. And then you just you kind of get high on your own farts a little bit. You're like, I'm tall. I weigh this much, so that means I can fight. It's like, no, no, no. That's like saying, hey, you have you look like Mariana Rivera, so you can throw a cutter. >> Yeah. >> Nope. None of that really like comes into play at all. >> Yeah. But then it's what you do with that experience that says a lot about you. I will say this, like as a father, I started my jiu-jitsu journey uh about four years before we had our first kid and I'm about nine years going on 10 years of of training now. the lessons I learned from jiu-jitsu of constantly getting humbled, constantly getting beat up, getting smashed, having those practices where you're driving home with no music or podcast on, just like rethinking every decision you made in your entire life that [laughter] led you to go to the gym that night to experience that much of a butt kicking. >> And like, dude, there are a bunch of great gyms in the Dallas area. And so, like, I know you're busy. you're about to be a lot busier with a little kiddo. >> But I'm telling you, dude, like because if you're an athlete, you'll get better faster, right? There there are just no two two ways about it. >> Yeah. Well, we got when we when we got done with the class, and I don't know if this was Ees cuz I rolled with Ease at the He was the last guy I rolled with. >> He was probably being real easy with you. >> Oh, dude, he was going like 10%. >> Like I knew he was going easy, but I still couldn't do anything. One, I was absolutely cooked at this point. It was my last round. >> That's a lot of rounds. >> Yeah, it was crazy. And it may have not been five. It may have been three minutes. I can't remember, but it was a lot. And And I knew he was going very easy on me, like very, but he was still like going 10% going. He was still like tapping me out like with no problem. But we got done with the class and he was like he I just want to give shout out to Jared like Jared like actually like I think you're kind of a natural at this and I was like I did good that night but then I was like walking me and Josh my brother we were walking out and I was like you think he actually meant that? You think he just wants my money? >> Just [laughter] sign up to co. So I was like that was the last time I went there. But that was like Yeah, that was it was fun, man. It >> truly like had never experienced anything like that before. >> Like I could see why guys [snorts] >> are so like mentally just like strong when it comes to that sport. >> Obsessed. >> Yeah. >> Like Well, and if you start training more, >> what you'll find is you'll start just doing jiu-jitsu in your mind when you're just doing other things. like you could be cooking or reading or trying to fall asleep and you're doing jiu-jitsu in your brain. That's one thing like when I blew up this bicep. >> I was like, you know, worse injury. It's a surgery, a long recovery, a lot of PT, but I'm like, I have to keep going to practice. >> Yeah. >> And so there I am sitting on the bench or sitting in a chair watching other people get to have fun trying to strangle people with their own clothing. [laughter] And here I am with a stupid arm brace and all those different things. But I was I went there. I'm like, you're getting mental reps, right? cuz we they don't take attendance. And so it's like just get the mental reps, watch other people do the move, watch them make a mistake. How would you have done it? Watch them do it well and be like, "Oh, I didn't know it could be done that way. Okay, cool." >> Yeah. >> Watching people roll, I would I would coach a few rounds. So I would just pick a white bell and be like, "All right, I'm going to coach that guy through this round." And I would tell the guys rolling with, "Hey, I'm just going to kind of help him." And so I'm thinking about chaining this move to this move to this move, this position to this position to this position. And it just kept it kept my brain in the game to where it's like it just kind of becomes second nature because like you know we talked about earlier scientifically [clears throat] it's impossible to hit a a baseball 95 miles an hour. Well the mound is 60 and 1/2 ft away and depending on how long the pitcher is. He's even closer like if it's Randy Johnson or Aldis Chapman one of those guys he's basically on top of you when he releases the ball. >> Yeah. >> You can't really think. You're kind of guessing the pitch, guessing the location. and you're looking for a particular, you know, if he has any tails, you're looking for a particular arm angle or a way that he's adjusting his glove and you're just throwing your hands at it. You don't have time to really think through what you're doing. It's kind of the same thing in jiu-jitsu. You'll start doing things the more you train, the more you get better. We're like, >> oh, I didn't even I didn't I was never taught that move. >> Yeah, the muscle memory is insane. >> And it's just like I just learned like, oh, if my body's here, his body should be there and I should be able to do this. And then you're just going to kind of do that over and over. Dude, you got to get in jiu-jitsu. Get your son [laughter] in jiu-jitsu. who will probably be able to start around 4 years old. >> And like that could be like one of my favorite things to do. As soon as you leave today, me and the boys, we're going to the gym. They have the kids class, so I'll watch their class and then they go play in the playroom where they sit and watch dad do the adult class. Yeah. >> And then you're you're just getting better. They're going to get so tough. Like you're going to get messed up ears. Maybe you have a crooked nose. It'll be the best. Imagine these videos on YouTube and you got two blown out ears. Ain't that going to be the best? >> I Oh, well, dude, anybody anytime I see anybody with the ears, I'm like, "Yeah, don't mess I mess with that guy." >> Oh, dude. Like, I tell people it's kind of a joke, but it's like that's like stripes on a tiger. It's like, you know, that >> that guy did not get those from doing his taxes, right? Like that guy has seen some stuff. And it's kind of funny cuz I know some guys that wrestled their whole life and then do jiu-jitsu and then their ears are perfect. They look perfectly clean. So, I guess there is a little bit of a genetic component to it. But, yeah, we got to get those. Your ears are way too pretty. [laughter] We got to get those messed up. I do want to go back to the the beginning of like the dude perfect outdoors thing. So Ty comes up with this idea. You and your brother are like, "Yeah, it's going to be awesome." You know, he asks you, "Hey, quit your job." And you're like, "Yeah, great. Today, I'll see you tomorrow." kind of a thing. But go back to those early days because obviously by this point they had built an empire. So it wasn't just the YouTube channel, it was all the other verticals, right? So they had gotten into obviously they have a huge online store. They'd gotten into doing these tours. There were other things that they were doing that they had their hands on. A lot of relationships with a lot of different brands and things like that. >> Bringing on the hunting stuff is a risk for all the stuff you've elucidated already. But then it's like they know how to do it. They've got tens of millions of subscribers to their main channel anyway. They know they're going to peel off a certain segment. But in those early days, just getting everything off the ground. I want you to kind of go back to that and kind of describe what that was like because yes, y'all had some advantages that just like if me and my next door neighbor wanted to start a, you know, a channel like we have some advantages. If he wanted to start one with his other guy and neither one of them have a public profile, like good luck getting any attention whatsoever. But let's go back to those early days when y'all were just starting to build. What is DP Outdoors going to be? >> Yeah. I mean, it definitely like having the main channel backing was obviously huge. You know, we still like I had no idea about the YouTube world. like I didn't know what it entailed and like what was going to be a good first year, what how many views would be good for the Do Perfect Outdoors channel. So, like >> I was leaning on Tyler a lot for that, you know, and um he was like, "Dude, if we get 100,000 uh subscribers in the first year, um and like >> Oh, now we're like at half a million now right?" >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, Yeah. Exactly. And so, he was like, "If we get a couple hundred thousand views on every video in the first year, like that would be amazing." He's like, "That would be amazing." And so I was like, "Okay, like great. Yeah, I think I can do Yeah, we can do that." And so we, you know, you know, we do it. And I think, you know, obviously this was Tyler's idea to start Do Perfect Outdoors, but the backing of like the other four guys has played such a key role in this. And that's why they've been so successful, I think, for so long is because >> [snorts] >> um they're truly like they've been doing this so long together that they're basically like brothers, you know, and so like they talk through everything like with extreme intent and they make sure that they are all on the on the same page before they do anything. And so, you know, having the backing of Kobe, Corey, uh, Cody, and Garrett, and them being like in full support of it was definitely a key role into it, too, because we were able to launch that first video with everybody, you know? I think it maybe would have been a little bit different if it was just like me, Tyler, and Josh doing the first video. And it then it kind of feels like maybe not everybody would, you know, fully be involved in it. Um, you know, but they wanted it to be known like, hey, like we we love this idea. we want it, you know, we want this to be super successful. So, like it was like a full team effort and we launched that first, you know, dove video. We really wanted it to show like the camaraderie around the outdoors. You know, if you go on a white tail hunt, you can't talk as much. It's a lot quieter, you know, so dove hunt, you can kind of just jack around, you know, boys be boys. And so, um, it was fun to be able to show that side of the outdoors. And um that first video I think was within like the first day I think I think we had like 250 300,000 views or something something crazy >> and we had gained like 60 or 70,000 subscribers. Like we started the channel with nothing. Like we hadn't posted anything. So we had zero subscribers >> and we immediately got like 70,000 sub subscribers just like that. And we were like oh my gosh this is crazy. and um and then go on to, you know, post. Now we're 10 videos in and every video has done over a million views. Um we're at almost 500,000 subscribers. I think we're like 3,000 subscribers away from half a million. Um so it's been it's been insane. But they're they're just so good at what they do. like those guys like specifically like Tyler, you know, his the way he's able to, you know, formulate these ideas and like kind of turn it put a little bit of a different spin on it. Like he was like, for instance, like the duck call video that we did, the duck the duck hunting video, there's so many duck hunting videos on the internet. Y >> so many. And a duck hunting video is a duck hunting video, you know? It's like it's all the same. Um, but he was like, what? He's like, "I got this guy Josh Rajio that I know who makes duck calls in Mississippi." And he's like, "What if we went He he he still makes his own duck calls by hand sometimes." Like like that's how he started. He's like, "What if we went and turned our own duck calls and learned how to make our own duck calls?" Cuz you just don't think about that stuff. If you buy [clears throat] a duck call, you're not like, "Oh, how was this made?" You know, I mean, some people might, but for the most part, you just don't even think about. You just buy it and use it. And so getting to, you know, show the ins and outs of how this duck call was made and like everything that goes into it is like kind of insane. He's like, "What if we did that and then brought that duck call, you know, onto a hunt and used our duck calls that we made oursel on this duck hunt to kill these birds." Yeah. you know, and then show the skinning process of these birds, you know, because and then show how we cook these birds, like, you know, because duck's kind of a, you know, hit or miss on, you know, how good it'll taste. And so, like, >> we want to just like encompass everything. So, like Tyler's idea of what this channel would look like was like, like I want to show, I want this to be more than just a hunt. Like, it has to be more than just a hunt. It has to be a story. There has to be a purpose to it. And so, [snorts] like, just that that video in particular like really stuck out. Um, but yeah, so now it's like I don't know, just the way we're going about it. Tyler's brain on how he, you know, he envisioned it and being able to bring it to life. Our filmers that we have are absolutely unbelievable, like unreal at what they do. Our editors that we have are unbelievable what they do. So, it's like, you know, we we play such a small role, you know, like there's so many like so much of the behind the scenes that goes on that I wish people could see because like we'll film a video and that video will be in the editing bay for like a month, you know, and there's like our editors in there from like 9:00 a.m. to like 700 p.m. just grinding for a whole month, you know, just trying to get this edit done. And the filmers are, you know, they're filming all day. They're while we're on these hunts and then they're having to go back and ingest all this footage, >> you know, for the next couple hours. They're going to bed at 1:00 a.m. having to wake back up at 5:00 a.m. to get back on this hunt and film again. So, it's like the team that we have has just been the the team we have is absolutely insane. Um, and truly the only reason why we've been able to, I think, be be so successful as we've been. Um, yeah, I don't know. the team that we have is it's crazy >> when being able to be set up in that way and you know I love that you're honoring those people because again some people can if they're on front of camera they start feeling like they're the point and then it's like okay you're doing that part but only because other people are doing this part like to be that successful there's really no such thing as a self-made man like or you know to be able to produce that type of content >> like as y'all move forward in the future I'm I'm just curious what y'all's vision is for it because you know we talked at lunch about you know my buddies with you know the duck Dynasty guys and all that. So, obviously they have the the show and they're [clears throat] praying on the show. They're just talking like normal every day talking, but there's Bible verses coming out of their mouths. Obviously, there's a faith component to what y'all do. I remember uh the the white the white tail hunt that y'all did at uh your place. Remember at the end, you know, after dinner or whatever, like your your dad prayed over the dinner and that was part of the video. Um, and so there's always those elements, but as you look forward into the future, like what are the things? Cuz right now it's like, hey, good, successful first year, hundreds of thousands of subscribers, you know, millions of views, that's great, but there's going to be a second, third, fourth, and beyond like iteration of this. So like as as a center, like as a group for the three of you guys that are like kind of driving this train, what do you see uh in the future for what you're doing with DP Outdoors? >> Yeah, I mean there there will be like the mainstay videos that I think that we do every year. Like I think, you know, we won't go on our elk hunt this year, but like I think the elk hunt will probably be a mainstay every year that we'll go on. Um, whitetail video will always be a mainstay. Um, I'm sure, you know, we'll have our fishing videos, whatever. Fishing will be like a very small part of it, but we'll probably have one one or two fishing videos every year. Um, but like I know year two, year one we really just wanted to test everything to see like how it did because honestly like we thought year one there would be like we thought it would be you know okay if we test all these different things. If we whitetail hunt, if we elk hunt, if we go to Africa, if we fish for bass, if we go spear fishing, like what video will perform the best and like what lane should we not go back into? should we stay in a certain lane, you know, rather than built a log cabin, you know, so like we've done it all and every video has just done [laughter] so good, which is like rare cuz like usually you kind of have to pick a lane and just exp, you know, really dive into that lane and we've been able to just continue to create these videos and they've done so well. Um, so I think, you know, that's just kind of what it's going to be. um we're not going to, you know, just being we're not just going to white till hunt, you know, we're not just going to bass fish. We're going to continue to, you know, go out and explore different options. And um like at some point next year, hopefully in March, we're going to go uh to a ranch in Montana somewhere. Um and you know, really, cuz that's one thing we want to do, too. We want like, you know, we we want we want to show these stories of people that are just everyday normal people that are just living their life, but like play a huge role in, you know, our society and and you know, how we get, you know, clean meat or whatever it might be. And so we're going to go to this ranch and um you know, do like a three days in the life of like a cowboy, you know, on this Montana ranch or whatever it might be and really like do the ins and outs of everything that they're doing. No, you know, we don't want to, you know, fake anything or like act like we're, you know, something that we're not, you know, so like we'll be very out of our element in that video. Um, but that's something like we would love to to show off is this ranch that, you know, they make their living, you know, hering cattle and and selling beef. And so, um, really want to point that out. And then, um, I think we'll do a lot of collabs this the second year. Um, I know we we've talked a lot about um like getting, you know, whether it's maybe someone's been hunting before and they they hunt a lot with a gun, but you know, they want to get into a bow hunt, bow hunting, you know, like capture their first bow hunt or >> um you know, like actually if someone's never been hunting before, like >> really, you know, capture their first experience if they're interested in doing it, uh their first hunt and what that might look like. So, honestly, kind of like a little bit meat eater like he's done that in the past, you know. Um, uh, so there's obviously a little bit of a similarity there, but I don't know. I think we just do it in such a different way that that could be, you know, really cool cool to do. So, I think we're going to try to collab a lot more um now that we've kind of figured out what works and really well, we haven't really figured out what hasn't worked but >> hopefully you don't uh hopefully we don't >> figured that part out. >> So, is there cuz I mean kind of a crazy first year. I mean, you got the pythons, you got white tail, you got axis deer that you know with the devil's whatever the river down there. And so you did that long fishing trip. So you you done some cool stuff going to Africa, >> right? But are there some hunts that y'all like kind of have almost on like, you know, it's kind of written up there in the corner of the white whiteboard where it's like, okay, it'd be pretty cool to like pull something like this off. That's not that's not as simple as calling the ranch and being like, yeah, we'll take one of those and we'll take one of those. You mind if we bring cameras? But like are there some hunts out there that are like, "Hey, this is like once in a lifetime." >> Yeah. So I I think you know we'll we'll definitely get into like because like we definitely want to do we haven't done a true like Ruffit hunt yet, >> right? >> Um and so we'll definitely do that at some point. What that is, I don't know what, you know, I don't know if we've looked at it too too much, but I would imagine it probably be somewhere, >> you know, like in Alaska. I would say British Columbia, but it's so hard. But I feel like now there are laws over there and their restrictions are so extreme. It's like >> it's tough to get out there now. Um and and do some hunting out there. But like Alaska's amazing, you know, like they've got so many opportunities out there. Um whether it's hunting moose or you know, whatever. Yeah. Caribou. Yeah. So there there will definitely be at some point um >> a hunt where, you know, we just go out and like really really rough it. Mhm. >> That's something I've honestly I've never done before is I've never roughed it. I've never been on a hunt where I've had to like like rough it. Really? >> Yeah. Keep everything on your back. >> Yeah. Exactly. And that's like very interesting and sounds like an like I would love to just go out there and do that for a week and a half, two weeks. Like my dad's done it and he would like take a picture from day one of himself to day 14. >> Dude [laughter] doesn't even look like the same person. >> Yeah. >> Like it's crazy. Like just like he's like all wrinkled like out of nowhere. He's lost like 10 lbs and in 14 days he's like living off of, >> you know, granola bars and stuff like that. So like that, but that sounds like a blast. Like what better way to spend a week >> than to like grind it out with your boys, you know? Yeah. >> Like that was my favorite part about sports was >> the grind of it with my team and this is like obviously a different subject, but like >> that was literally my favorite part. Like we had when I was at the University of Houston, our strength coach for baseball was our football strength coach. like our our head coach was like, "Past teams have been soft." >> Oh boy. >> Like we're bringing in our football strength coach and we're gonna get after it. And so that was my freshman year. Like and so we were just thrown into it. >> Dude, this guy destroyed us every day. >> Like destroyed us. Like he wasn't putting up with anything. Like he was counting people's reps. Like if someone skipped a rep, go ahead. We're restarting the entire workout. We could be fully done with the workout. We have one more set left. Nope. We're going to restart the whole entire thing. And like there was mistake you make once. >> Yeah, dude. Like we were doing plate pushes with like 45 pound plates on the turf half football field like back and forth. He uh I remember one summer gosh, sorry, this is like so off topic, but like >> uh I love it. I love I love hearing people like get tortured during that's one of my favorite stories. So yeah. >> Well, it's like in the moment you're like dying and you like you hate it. so mad. But then like you get done and like now it's like I'm still, you know, friends with a lot of the guys I played with and like some of our funniest and best memories are like times when we were getting, you know, just >> annihilated. >> Yeah. Like we were getting punished for something that we did >> and our our our field was turf back at the University of Houston and uh so the turf is like it's summer too. >> Was it just turf with dirt around the bases or did y'all >> No, no, it was all turf. All turf. >> Yeah, all turf. Yeah, all turf. And so it's like 105° in Houston. >> All those black pellets underneath there just >> like the turf's probably 130 140 >> and we got in trouble one day. I don't even remember what we did. Um it didn't take a lot to get in trouble with this guy. But I love like I love the strength coach. Like I love this guy. And uh he was like chewing us out. He's like get on the left field line. And we start doing sprints and all this stuff. And like he's like guys are dying at this point. Like it's so hot. And he's like tells us to get on the ground and he's like, "I want y'all to Lieutenant Dan all the way from the left field line to the right field foul pole." Which Lieutenant Dan is just like, >> "Yeah, >> you can't use your legs. It's just arms." >> Army crawl. >> Yeah, just arms. You're not allowed to use your legs. It's just arms. >> On the turf. >> On the turf, dude. >> Probably short sleeves. >> Oh, yeah. Short sleeves. [laughter] >> Dude, our elbows are bleeding, dude. Like our elbows are bleeding. We're all like cut up. >> And we get out to the right field, you know, fence and we got to do like other stuff. But like it's like stuff like that. there. We had a guy dipping in in one of our lists one day. Why he was dipping? He was just country boy, you know, and he was dipping and our strength coach saw it >> and it was like a day where we were lifting super heavy like deadlifts. We would do like heavy deadlifts and heavy front squats like on the same day like no problem. And it was like one of our not fully maxing out like I would like maxing out days were like those are like easy lifts you know cuz you do like one rep for as much as you can but it was like whatever. [snorts] >> This was like one of those days where it was like 75% for four you know like a real grind of a day heavy like 80% whatever it was. >> And we got like all the way through this workout. Deadlifts, front squats. Like we're cooked, dude. Like my legs were done. My back my lower back was killing me. and he sees this kid dipping after we get done with the entire lift almost. Chews us out, doesn't make us do any punishment. He kicks us out and he's like, this is after practice one day, so it's like 7:00 at night. He's like, "Y'all be back here 4:00 a.m. We usually had like 6 a.m. lifts." He's like, "400 a.m., 4:30, whatever it was. >> We're gonna restart this entire lift." And I was like, "Dude, I was like, you know how sore I'm going to be in the morning at 4:00 a.m. or 4:30 in the morning, whatever it is, after that lift, dude." I got up the next morning like locked up. I'm tight. We [laughter] had to go through that whole lift again. And it was just like a grind. But like, dude, we were so good that year. >> Like we were so good freshman and sophomore year. Like we were hosting a regional and like a lot of it seriously was like attributed to that strength coach cuz he like just put us through the fire. >> Dude, that's the mental side. Yeah. Right. Because I mean of all the things and that's usually the thing is like oh baseball players can be a little soft like okay the athleticism and skill it takes to be good at baseball is off the charts but yeah you don't have to be an Adonis like walking around that's why a guy like Jean Carlos [snorts] Stanton like someone that's built like that like that's just like yeah that's even baseball players look at him like dude that guy's incredible [laughter] just because of how he's built but like when you have a coach >> because you kind of emulate the style and attitude of your coach a little bit. So, if your coach is a little bit more like finesse, okay, Joe Tory was more of a finesse manager. At least that's what it looked like. Whereas Bobby Cox was like, I will light your whole family on fire if you do not run the ball out, you know, don't run through first base or something like that. And so if you're if you have coaches that are literally just grinding you into dirt, like that's part of the reason why I want my boys wrestling is because >> I know companies around Oklahoma City that if you wrestled, they'll put you at the top of the list of the hiring committee because they're like nothing we can put them through is going to be as bad as wrestling practice. Yeah. >> And so if you got a coach that cares about y'all that much to like literally make y'all grind >> that hard, like of course that's going to benefit. Now you got to you got to be good. You got to take strikes when you need to take strikes. You got to, you know, not miss a sign. But at the end of the day, it's like that does bode well for your team jelling and you perform well. >> Oh, dude. The mental side of it was like next level cuz I'm telling you, like I was like struggling to get out of bed some days. My lower back was hurting so bad. >> Yeah. >> Like it was insane. And I'm like I'm having to like baseball is such a like rotational sport. >> I'm like dude lower back pain is not ideal for this. No. >> But yeah, I say all this to say like there's nothing better than just grinding with your you know some of your best friends. Like that's where most of my memories like my fondest and >> best memories have come from is like going through hard things with people. And so like going being able to do it with my brother has been an absolute blast, you know. Um just being able to experience that with him. And obviously we've been, you know, super close with Tyler. So like going and doing those hard things with them. Like that's something for sure that we will definitely do is, you know, go do a hard hunt like that and really grind it out. >> Is there an animal that's on your list? Cuz like when you talk to guys that have hunted their whole life, especially so around here, it's a lot of guys that have only white tail hunted and then while they're sitting in a blind and they see a coyote or or a hog, they're going to, you know, take them out. But I mean, you have those guys that they hunt their whole life, but then there's that that one animal, that one kind of hunt and, you know, really just kind of depends. Some guys are like they really don't like high fence. Some guys are are fine with it, but it's got to be huge. Like it's got to be, you know, 5,000 plus acres or something like that. But just for you, is there like an animal to where cuz this is what I think like cuz like one day I want to kill like a grizzly or or something like that. But I want like I don't want the rug to be on the floor. I want to wear it, right? And I want to be able to throw that hood up and there's like the grizzly head and like imagine walking into a meeting trying to close a deal and you're walk you're strutting in like your grizzly uh thing or whatever and it's dragging behind you or something like that. So, but that would probably be the most epic of epic hunts because you're literally trying to hunt down nature's like garbage disposal that eats everything and is afraid of nothing kind of a deal. >> That that would be mine. Do you have one? >> That that's mine. >> Grizzly is the same. Okay. So, why Grizzly? >> Since I was I don't I think it probably started in high school. Like I I don't know what it is. One, they're just incredible animals. >> Yeah. >> Um but I I don't really seek adrenaline. Like I'm not really like an adrenaline junkie, >> unless it comes to hunting. >> Like there I I love that feeling more than anything. Like the the feeling that I get when I hear a a bull elk bugle >> like you know when you're just surrounded by trees and he's down in the meadow and he's just bugling. echoing like the chills that I get when I hear it is like like that is my favorite sound on earth and like I love that adrenaline that I get when I'm hunting. I don't know what it is. I'm not adrenaline junkie, but like I just think and maybe it's like a it's just like if you if you if you mess up like you're done like on a grizzly bear, you know, cuz I would want to get him with my bow. Like I would love nothing more than to be 30 40 yards away from a grizzly bear. And it's like all the pressure, all the stakes are on and being able to execute that, you know, and but also like everything like if you're hunting grizzly, you're in grizzly territory. Like you're not going hunting grizzly bears like where there's like scarcity of them. You know what I mean? >> Like if you're allowed to hunt grizzly somewhere, it's because there's a ton of grizzly there. So it's like casual like relax and >> Yeah. So like you're on edge 24/7, you know? So like I think maybe that's part of it. Like I I that is one like the hunting in the outdoors world. That is one thing I do love to push myself on. Like I would love that like with a bow 40 yards from a grizzly bear. I would just love to like know what that feels like. You know what I mean? But that's a hunt where [sighs and gasps] I don't know. It might not happen on camera at least. Bears are just for some reason. >> It's the teddy bear. >> Winnie the Poo. Yeah. >> Yeah. So it's you're killing rip your face off you get near it. But >> and that's that's [laughter] part of the problem is so you talk about some of these jurisdictions that have changed their laws on like grizzly bear hunting because you have people that live in town in Vancouver or something like that and they're like, "No, they're so pretty and they're so whatever." It's like, no, actually that is a thousand lb freak beast that will hold you down and start eating you from your butthole up. That's what that animal is. Like the reason why that animal's not scared is cuz nothing can hunt it, right? Other than a human being with a highowered rifle or a like tricked out bow. You know what I mean? >> And so yeah, that's just one of the crazy things. It's the same thing as those dorks in Colorado that, hey, let's bring wolves in. Wolves are pretty. It's like, well, now you have a wolf problem, right? And it's just like they brought wolves I think from Minnesota and they literally took wolves out of a pack that were picking off cattle and so they've got a they've got a taste for beef and now they're they're destroying like cattle populations like >> it affects affects the elk population like >> you know our guy like the guy we elk hunt with was like dude this is like the worst thing that could happen. like they don't understand like they're going to if these wolves start to populate which they will like we got rid of them for a reason, you know, like this the elk herd is just going to just going to plummet if they get if it gets out of hand. >> Well, because the people don't understand what those what they're going after cuz like in Oklahoma um like I had a buddy who he had never been hunting before and so his he's deer hunting for the first time. The first thing that walks out first day was a coyote and the guys with him's like, "Shoot, kill it." He's like he's he's looking at like that's a dog. Like that's a nature dog. I can't kill a nature dog. He's like you better freaking kill that thing. So he kills it and he got like upset by and and I understand like if you're if you're not around it it's this beautiful gorgeous animal and all that. >> But then I explained to people I'm like oh that beautiful coyote with that beautiful coat and all the different things that kind of sort of looks like a dog that you owned at one point. That one coyote was going to eat 20 or 30 fawns this year. >> Yeah. >> Still think it's the cutest thing you've ever seen in your entire life. It ain't Bambi times 30. And you're going to be like, "Lex me about it's crazy how many they'll get in a year." It really is. It is insane. >> Yeah. Cuz that's what they eat. They're not going to eat the grass. They're not eating berries. Like, so they're they're eating meat. You see hogs. People are like, "Oh, why do you have to get on the hogs?" People aren't as sensitive about hogs cuz they're ugly and terrible and no one likes to eat them like for the most part. But like, no, it's like there are people that have plenty of pictures on camera of hogs with a fawn in its mouth right? >> Which is insane, >> right? And if I don't take out that coyote, like in Oklahoma, we have some cats like you know that would do that. We have some bear and all that, >> but those coyotes are pretty much bulletproof. Uh when it comes to other animals, it I mean it takes a bullet or an arrow to really take them out. >> Yeah. We got so many bobcats on our place and we're like >> we don't shoot the bobcats really cuz I mean they they could get a fawn. >> Yeah. >> You know, but usually the mom will like fight off the bobcat. But dude, these coyotes are running in packs. It's like they're the same they're smaller than a wolf, you know, but like same habits. Y >> you know, like you'll you'll catch them when they're by themselves obviously, but like >> for the most part, they're running together. Yeah. They're smart. Like the mom can only do so much, you know, that that dough. And so it's like, yeah, these these fonts stand zero chance if if your coyote, >> you know, population gets out of control. Thankfully, I don't know how our coyote population hasn't gotten just out of control because we >> dude, we've tried to like call them in and kill them. Like >> they are smart, dude. It is tough. But yeah, but yeah, back to the grizzly bear. Like that's that would be my I don't even care if I like for me, you know, hunting was always like just I love to do it. So like if I have to do it off camera, like you know, that's like my dream hunt is to do that. Like I don't need people to see it. I don't really care. I just want to go experience it myself, you know? >> Yeah. But you're right. You're um people don't look at a gator. It's like, "Oh, that beautiful gator. Don't hurt it." They're like, "Oh, it's a dinosaur. I don't want to touch it." Like but like a bear people like black bear polar bear especially like I saw a guy like he got like the North American grand slam cuz he got like a polar bear with his bow last year and he's like laying down next to this thing and I mean it's impossibly huge. Yeah. >> And you know of course >> which that's the one bear that actually will sniff you out and try to kill you just to kill you. >> Yeah. And and again people don't understand how big a polar bear is compared to a brown bear grizzly bear. Right. And then, okay, is this on Kodiak Island type of grizzly bear or is this just, you know, whereversville, Alaska or something like that? Yeah. Then you get down to the other bears like black bears or whatever. But yeah, and then with the polar bear, like you see these videos. Did you see that video of that one chasing this dude? It was like in Russia. It was like in Siberia. And also you see this guy running and he's running like in a snow in the snow. So he's not running very fast. >> He's not getting anywhere. >> And then you see a [laughter] polar bear. And so this guy jumps on his uh all I can think his jet ski, his uh snowmobile, gets on his snowmobile and just peels out and this this bear is right behind him. I mean, if that thing didn't fire up immediately or if he didn't hit, he's finished, right? He's super done, >> man. >> So, that would be one. I don't have that one on my list. I don't near a polar bear. I'll look at one in the zoo and be like, "Oh, look. Okay, [laughter] that's neat. It can swim." >> I know a guy who actually got one recently, which is insane. I didn't even know you could hunt them. >> Where where does he hunt it? I don't even remember. I don't even think I asked him. He just sent me a picture on. He was like, >> "Don't anybody don't show this to the public yet. You know, we're doing it for a video or whatever." Like, "It'll come out soon." But it was like crazy. >> Do you know what kind of mount he's going to do? >> I I mean, I'm sure he'll do a full body. I don't know what the restrictions are, but like I enormous. >> I feel like you have to do a full body mount on a on a polar bear. >> Yeah, that that I've seen like full body mounts of like grizzlies. I've seen I saw a full body mount. >> I didn't know you could hunt polar bear. I had no idea until he sent me the picture. He's like, "Oh, yeah. you there's like very special permits that you can get. >> I was about to say like if it would be like a particular area where they're more relaxed on their laws and it's like eating cows and people. >> I think they give like maybe a couple out per year. I I don't know. >> We'll be lucky to get one of those. But uh man, I'm just to be honest like getting to know you over these last few weeks and months and then you know obviously uh getting you in the studio today. It's awesome to see where your mindset is at right now for still being relatively such a young man. You know, somewhat newly married. Like you're a dad now, but we're getting ready to welcome this baby geographically from inside your wife to outside your wife and like just the cool part like you're on this really awesome trajectory like in your life and then also the success with DP Outdoors uh so quickly. It is so cool to see and that that's one thing just as a message to anybody listening to this for a lot of men. I mentioned earlier, the only man in your life that should want you to outdo him is your dad. So, you got a bunch of dudes that can get real envious, real jealous about their position in life, like, "Oh, it must be nice getting to hunt and fish for a living." Like, you know, it's that those kinds of guys. Like, when you see people in the kingdom that are doing awesome stuff, that's kingdom focused that, you know, has the gospel all over and all that, just be happy, man. Yeah. >> So, someone's got more followers or less followers, doesn't matter. Someone has a public profile, you don't have a public profile. Like, it honestly doesn't matter. Worry about your piece of the world. You have been given dominion over this piece of real estate on the planet. Some people have more, they've been given more. Some people have less, they've been given less. But we are to steward the talents we are given to the most extreme level. And I feel like you, your brother, and Tai are doing a tremendous job so far. But for now, I can hear my son's downstairs and they've been excited to meet the DP outdoors guy. That's all for me. Anything else you want to get off your chest? >> No, I just just you saying that stuff like I think that's so important. I think that's one thing I wish I would have done differently as I was, you know, coming up in my early 20s is, you know, like I feel like in our world today, social media driven like I feel like you only feel like you can talk about a certain thing or like give, you know, feel like you have only have influence if you have a certain amount of followers. like you know I don't have a you know huge following but you know I do we do on do perfect outdoors obviously but >> you know I've kind of come to the you know everything kind of leads back to my son this is when it all kind of started like happening for me um but I'm like dude I just wish I would have talked more about my faith >> from a younger age you know like no matter how many followers you have or no matter how many friends you've got like you have influence you know what I mean like if you're if you're a believer and you're you're you're a Christian you follow Jesus like we Our purpose on this earth is to spread the word of God. And >> it doesn't matter, you know, like I feel like a lot of the times in my head and which is straight from Satan, like, oh, you're not qualified enough. You don't, you know, not enough people follow you. Like, why would you even talk about it? You know, like this isn't your lane. Like, why don't there's no reason to do it. There is 100% a reason to do it, you know? I mean, like there is always someone that you can influence, you know, um to the Lord in in to the Lord. And um just I don't know. I if for anyone who is listening if like you ever feel like discouraged or like you feel like you don't have any influence when it comes to you know leading people you know to the Lord like there is always someone that you can influence always no matter if it's a friend a family member no matter what it is. So I wish I would have started that at a younger age and not now you know at 28 years old. I'm still young. But um yeah, that's that's one thing I wish I would have just started just cuz like I started posting a couple times, you know, this thing where I'm just shooting my bow and just now I posted one where I was just posting a Bible verse and writing it. And I was like, why am I writing it? Like why don't just I'm like scared to talk about it online, you know, like I don't want to like I don't want to talk about it. I'll just write it, you know, people don't really care. And then I'm like well that's dumb. Someone might care, you know, like it might someone might need to hear this. And so, you know, now I'm trying to post a little bit more, you know, just speaking about my faith and and what I feel like the Lord is putting on my heart. So, um, yeah, I would just like to, you know, encourage anyone who who maybe feels that same way. You know, it's like you have more of an influence than you think. So, >> good stuff, man. >> Yeah. >> All right. Glad you came by. Talk soon. >> Appreciate it, man. >> Thank you everyone for listening to this episode. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe, rate, and leave us a positive fivestar review. If you want me to come speak live at your event or on your podcast, just shoot me an email to info@una.life. life. Follow us on Instagram and like us on Facebook. And check out our website for everything else, including how to donate to keep more content like this coming. www.undaunted.life. The music on this podcast is the song Conqueror by the Christian metal band Void Awaken. Be sure to stream their music on Spotify, Apple Music, and wherever else you get your music. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness. Keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. Keep seeking the Lion of Judah. [music]