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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys.
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We've got a special guest on the podcast today.
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His name is Jared Hudson, so he is a retired Navy Seal and he's the founder and CEO of an
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anti-human trafficking organization called Covenant Rescue Group.
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So that group performs real life operations that lead to the rescue of the actual victims
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of these crimes and the arrests of the perpetrators.
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And so here's the interesting thing about this group.
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You've probably heard of a lot of different groups out there of guys that are going out
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and supposedly going on these missions, but a lot of that is not real.
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There are a lot of people that are raising money, but not actually rescuing anybody.
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There are a lot of people that are going out there and creating content online.
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Maybe they're convincing some pedophile to come out of the woodwork and meet them in
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Walmart and they're beating them up and putting the pictures and the videos of all that online
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and all those different things.
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But the problem is what happens in a lot of these groups is people are not rescued.
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The children are not rescued, but also the perpetrators are not put behind bars.
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And so that's one of the big things that Covenant Rescue Group focuses on and one of the things
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that Jared focuses on is not just his group doing it, but also training law enforcement
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around the country to be able to identify these predators and take these predators out.
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Because here's something that he said in this interview that absolutely shocked me and it's
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going to be hard for me to even choke out and even say these things.
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But he says by the time someone is prosecuted, a predator is prosecuted, if they prefer girls,
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they already have roughly 50 victims before they are prosecuted.
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If it's a predator that prefers boys, they have 150 victims before they are prosecuted.
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Think about that.
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Think about the trail of depravity and darkness that we see before we even get these guys
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behind bars.
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And so we certainly talk about that in this conversation.
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We do go all the way back to the beginning, why did he decide to join the military?
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Why the Navy seals?
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What was his relationship like with his father, which really pushed him and propelled him towards
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things like that?
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We got into the current state of the military and how the military seems to be way more
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focused on DEI as opposed to killing people and breaking stuff.
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Talked him about Afghanistan and Iraq and how a lot of people are looking back and saying,
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they're wondering, should I have even done that?
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Should I have even been sent there?
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We talked about for him as a Christian.
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He went into the Navy seals as a Christian to become a Christian as a child and what that
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was like for him because there are people that have some consternation about, okay, my job
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is killing people.
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These are image bears of God.
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What do we do?
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So we talk about that tension there.
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Why he chose to get out?
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Why he started covenant rescue group?
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Why go from being a federal employee, killing people at the behest of Uncle Sam.
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He's answering the fight against human trafficking and child exploitation.
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We talked a little bit about how they do their missions, but then also, when you get these
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people arrested, how do we not just arrest them, but we actually get them prosecuted.
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But then we had a conversation about pornography and how the ubiquity of pornography is leading
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to a lot of these behaviors, what parents can do to help protect their children from potentially
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being sexually exploitated and guess what, guys, spoiler alert, it's going to have a
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lot to do with the smartphones that you're putting in your child's pocket without any
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restrictions whatsoever.
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But we get into all those different things.
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Guys, this is a heavy one today, but it's well worth your time.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Jared Hudson, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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What's up, brother?
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How you doing, Kyle?
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I'm doing good.
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I should actually say welcome back to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast because this is our second
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attempt at trying this interview out.
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But I recorded back in the day.
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Do you remember Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman?
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He wrote on combat on killing.
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Yeah.
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I remember Dave Grossman.
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Yeah.
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He and I recorded a two hour long podcast like six years ago, and it completely bricked
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and like the file was corrupted and all that.
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And so he literally told me something and I was like, in this at the time, this was like
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the fourth interview I'd ever done.
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Like I'm recording in a closet, like it's no big deal, right?
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He literally goes, well, I guess God wasn't satisfied with the first attempt.
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So let's do it again.
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So this wasn't as bad for you and I because we only recorded about 15 minutes before everything
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went haywire, but I'm assuming God just didn't like any of your answers the first time.
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So do you remember what you said the first time?
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Just forget it.
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If I did.
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Yeah.
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We're just going to wipe that away and get out of here.
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But hey, we got to get into this first subject matter because we've got a lot of ground to
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cover today.
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But anytime I have somebody on here that was ever in the military and any of the branches
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of the military, I'm always curious as to kind of what led to that decision.
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Because for me, like I grew up around a lot of military because I grew up in law and Fort
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Sill, but I never raised my right hand and said, I would protect this country from enemies,
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foreign and domestic.
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So for you, why were you drawn to the military?
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Why the Navy?
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Why the Navy seals?
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Yeah.
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So long story short, I played ball and growing up as kid was a decent ball player, but didn't
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get any scholarships to go anywhere.
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I had a preferred walk on scholarship and one school and couldn't afford to go to that
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school on the preferred walk on scholarship, right?
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I just didn't, my college wasn't going to be paid for.
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I actually went and became a firefighter, did that for about a year right after high
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school and went on a mission trip with my church and really felt called or led by the
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Lord to do something in the military.
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I'd always been drawn in the military of all things, you know, the Marine Sniper program
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was something interesting to me.
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I was all about Tom Behringer that, you know, the sniper movie, I think it's called Sniper
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from back in the day with Tom Behringer.
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So that was always something that I was drawn to.
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So when I got back from that mission trip, spent a lot of time praying I was in Africa
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and we got into our first Baptist church and I told my dad, I said, Dad, I think I need
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to go to the military and he said, and all he's told me was, he said, well son, you haven't,
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you know, applied yourself scholastically or athletically.
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Those are just open and worse, which I think is kind of funny.
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He said, you're dumb and you're athletic, you suck, right?
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And nobody said that, he said, you haven't applied yourself.
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So your school's not going to be paid for, me and your mother can't pay for your school.
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You've done the firefighter thing and that's cute and all, but if you go to the military,
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I'm telling you, I'm basically regurgitate what my dad told me, if you go to the military,
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do something special.
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Now, I always preface it with anybody who joins the military, I mean, hey, you're joining
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the branch of service and there's a lot of benefits behind it.
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So, you know, don't think, and you get a paycheck.
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So yeah, it's service, but it's also, sometimes it's the only route people have.
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Does that make sense?
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And I'm not saying that that route is not a special route, right?
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I've got a bunch of friends that have done different things within conventional military
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with space forces as a program now where they're doing a lot of cool stuff that's different,
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I guess than what most people think, you know, military is.
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But there's a lot of options.
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So I don't want to negate that, but my dad said, do something special.
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Do something different.
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And I was like, well, what do you mean by that?
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And at the time, Bush had just opened probably about a year prior, this was 2005 when I'm
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having this conversation with my dad, he's a graduate of high school in 2004, did the
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year of firefighters this 2005, he, he said, you know, look at this special operations program
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that Bush has opened up.
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And so that was kind of what got me into the special operations and the, I was also super
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interested in the Army Rangers, you know, the Black Hawk down stuff and everything.
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I was very interested in going to the Army and being a Ranger.
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And that was probably, that in the Marine sniper thing was at the top of my list.
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The Army Ranger was at the top of his, they get a contract to do it.
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You couldn't get a contract to do that in the Marine Corps.
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They had just opened Marsoc or just developed Marsoc, which was the force recon had now
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become a member of SOCOM around that timeframe.
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People could probably look it up.
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I'm probably, you know, telling you wrong on how that process worked, but they had just
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stood up Marsoc as the point.
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So you couldn't get a contract to go to Marsoc and be a Marine Raider or do the Marine
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sniper thing, but you could go infantry with a focus on that, but you had to do like three
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years in the regular Marine Corps first.
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So that kind of was not, not an interest, but as we looked at all the contracts, the
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hardest one to obtain physically and then, you know, scholastically or with, you know,
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with the test that you have to take the ASVAB, which is an easy test was, was the seal.
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So you have to score a certain score on your ASVAB behind certain places on that.
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So I did that.
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That was easy.
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That was fine.
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And then you had to pass a physical test.
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And it was the hardest physical test of all the special operations contracts.
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And so what I did, I said, all right, we went down, met with recruiters.
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I told dad, I said, I'm going to go in and take the test.
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And I'm just going to do them in order.
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And whichever one I pass, you know, right now as, as I sit here, you know, didn't train
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for any of them or anything, just which one, whichever one I pass is what I'll go with.
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And I pass the, I pass the one for buzz.
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I pass the one for a seal contract.
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And that's kind of what drove me into the seal teams.
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Okay, so let's fast forward because obviously you became a Navy seal.
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And at this point, a lot of ink has been spilled and descriptions have been made about buds
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and being cold, wet and sandy and all the different things and, you know, winter buds
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versus summer buds.
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Like all that stuff.
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All that's fine.
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You were very uncomfortable for a very, very long period of time, like six to nine, nine
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months.
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I get it.
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The thing I'm curious about though, is to other guys that I've talked to either on the
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show or just personally, they had something internally, not externally that was driving
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them.
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And it sounds like you had an external motivator from your father who basically demanded, if
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maybe that's a little bit too heavy handed, he basically demanded, hey, if you're going
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to do something, you're going to do something special and you're going to do something that's
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going to require a lot of you.
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I guess my question is, is when you're, you know, cold, wet and sandy, they're on the beach
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as a San Diego out there, or by Coronado and all that, are you thinking about, I don't
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want to let my dad down or was there some sort of internal constitution and you to be
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like, no, no, no, like this is for me.
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This is for God, this is for country, whatever that is.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think everybody, whether you realize it or not, whether you want to admit it or
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not, even if you have a good or a bad relationship with your parents or even if your parents
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want to round, there's going to be somebody who physically on this earth, right?
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I'm not talking about our heavenly father, which I'll talk about in a minute.
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As a Christian, I'm talking physically on this earth, somebody who you don't want to
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let down, whether it's my dad, my mom, now my wife and my daughters.
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You know, I don't, I respect my dad, but now as a, you know, almost 40 year old man
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with kids and a wife, I'm not worried about my granddaddy or my dad or any of the men
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or women, my grandmother, my mom, my aunt's mother, none of those that I tried to impress
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when I was younger, that I was, I wanted them to be proud of me.
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They've already shown that, hey, hey, we are proud of you, heck, they, and to be honest
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with you, they don't even want me around anymore.
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They just want my kids around, right?
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It's the, you know, now I'm trying to impress my wife and my children.
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And that's why God says, or that's why Paul says in Scripture that, you know, hey, I prefer
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if you're not to be married, if you can keep from burning with desire, the sexual desire,
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because if you have a wife, you're going to be worried about how you can impress your
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wife as opposed to what you need to be doing for the things of God.
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But he also says that marriage is a gift from God, right?
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So it's not that it's not an either or it's a both-hand, if that makes sense.
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So I think that transitions for everybody in their life.
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I know for me personally, that was absolutely their mom, dad, brother, sisters, aunt, uncles,
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grandmother, and granddaddy, everybody, and dad kind of being a driving factor behind
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that would do some special good still things.
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So that is one thing of it.
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But I would say more importantly, what got me through, and it would go all the way back
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to how I was raised.
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I've been a Christian since I was six years old.
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I was saved at six years old means I asked Jesus in my heart, I always preface the Christian
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thing with this.
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Jesus was God reincarnated, John chapter one in the beginning was the Word or was God
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or was with God.
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I always made through him and by him and without anything that was made wasn't made without
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him.
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And that's the first five verses of John chapter one, verse 14, the Word became flesh and
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dwelt among men.
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That is Jesus, you know, coming to the earth as God.
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I believe that's who Jesus is.
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I don't believe he was a good man, a perfect man, a prophet.
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I want to make sure that that's clear.
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And I believe it's through him through his death on the cross and his resurrection that
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I have eternal life for God.
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And as a six year old boy, my parents had taught me that.
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And I remember going into their room and asking them, now I have two kids.
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My youngest is two, but I have two that also at age six came to me and we spent a couple
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days going through the scriptures and said, Daddy, I'm a sinner and I want Jesus in my
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life so that I can spend eternity with God and you and mama.
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And so that was, I was rooted in that when I was young and the Proverbs tells us, you
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know, in Proverbs, it tells us that you raise up a child and the way they should go and
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they're old, they won't depart from it, right?
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And I would say when we were going through my mantra, whatever you want to call it, second
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Corinthians, as at 12 nine, when Paul was talking to, talking about his thorn in the
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flesh, right? And he says that I've asked three times to be taken away and what did God
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say to him?
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He says, my grace is sufficient for you, my strength will be made perfect in your weakness.
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I wrote a short book about, you know, 40, 50 pages long, about the armor got to the eyes
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of Navy SEAL.
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And I talk about it in that book about how I literally could not accomplish the task at
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hand.
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Jared Hudson couldn't do it.
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I could not do it.
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And it wasn't that hard.
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It wasn't that the physical standard was that hard.
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It was just the continuous physical standard, does that make sense?
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It was unbelievably difficult, the standard that had to be met, especially for somebody
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who was a, you know, I mean, a average athlete, you know, decent, you know, played ball, but
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nothing great.
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And I had to lean on God every day because the standard was hard.
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It physically, like you said, it sucked.
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And that's the, that's the scripture, the Lord gave me during that time, my, my grace
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is sufficient for you, my strength will be made perfect in your weakness.
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So in my weakness in those moments that Jared Hudson couldn't make it through, he made
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me strong and he drove me through it.
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So I would say that was more of my driving force or driving factor, uh, behind buds, uh,
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and then SQT and even getting into the, into the team is, uh, I had to lean on him because
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I couldn't do it in my own strength.
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I appreciate getting into that detail and what that brings up for me as well as you were
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talking, Jared, is I've talked to a lot of different seals.
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I've talked to seals that when they were getting into the teams, they were Christians.
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I've talked to seals that were non-Christians while in the teams and then became Christians
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later became a Christian while they were in the teams, like all kinds of different things.
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And all of them eventually come to that same place where they have this internal debate
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about, can I do this job and be a Christian?
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Or when they look back on their career, they're like, okay.
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Because y'all are like, okay, you're there to kill bad guys and break stuff.
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That's what I say.
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What the military is.
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And y'all are at the tip of the spear of that in terms of like killing bad guys and breaking
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stuff.
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Now, obviously people will exegete the, the scriptures in prop release and when they say
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thou shalt not kill, it's actually thou shalt not murder, but then we have a lot of people
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looking back on their service and like, should we have ever been in Afghanistan?
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Should we have ever been in Iraq?
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Should I have ever been doing this contract work here, there or any other place?
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So for you individually, did you ever have that internal consternation about, Hey, my
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job is technically to kill people.
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And I'm killing image bears of God here.
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Did you ever have any of this, you know, problem?
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Did you get into any just war theory, philosophizing?
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Like that?
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No, not really.
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I mean, and I will say this, I talked with Andy about this and, you know, it'd be like
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a couple of weeks that podcast goes out just a couple of days ago when I was on his show
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and one, Andy Stomp, yeah, a clear part of it.
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One of the things that I mentioned to him, he had told me something, the, the first dude
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I shot me and him were in Afghanistan together deployed.
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And I shot a dude.
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We go around.
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We're on an op.
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He had been getting shot at in this hide site.
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So we broke down and we're going to go push these couple guys were attacking us and I,
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and one thing Andy told me to say, Hey, you kill a guy.
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I mean, I was tickle pink, man.
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I was high five and guys like, Oh, you know, killing a dude with mortars with AK.
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Like it's like a kid deer hunt and killing their first deer, right?
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So in my mind didn't, almost like you don't even comprehend what you, what you've done.
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But I mean, this is everything I've done is up to this point.
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I'm in combat now.
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We're getting shot at and I just killed the first person I ever killed.
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And it's a good thing.
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And he's an enemy fighter.
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He was going to kill my buddies.
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That's the other thing.
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He was going to set IDs to kill my buddies and I happen to intercepting.
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So this is the everybody is extremely happy.
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This is a standard setter in our community.
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They're like, Hey, great job.
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Good kill.
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Well, I mean, it was everything that you hope for, right?
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And, and, and when you're going after somebody in combat, I killed somebody who's going to
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kill my buddies and then other guys started tagging my buddies.
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We break down and go support him.
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And I was talking about Andy looked at me, of course he had been at, you know, special
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mission.
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You know, even over at development group for all was it, which second phase after got
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shot.
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And then now he was at team three with us and he said, Hey, you, uh, uh, could you first
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guy?
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Yeah.
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Here high five, shake your hand.
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Good job.
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That'd be a professional hack.
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Like you've been there before.
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Everybody has now.
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It's funny hearing him say, you know, talk now.
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He's like, Oh man, he said, one, everybody hasn't killed anybody.
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He said, but number two, uh, he said, I don't even remember saying that.
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I was like, yeah, I said, and, and I figured he wouldn't heat it.
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But that stuck with me.
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But I remember hearing coaches say that growing up playing ball.
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Don't don't go crazy when you put the ball in the end zone or don't go crazy.
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When you, you hit a double or a triple act like a professional act like you've done before.
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It's very standard thing.
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Very standard scores.
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And you just tosses the ball of the ref.
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Exactly.
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You know, don't expect to be elevated for doing something that you were supposed to do.
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And any, any congratulating on congratulate me on that, but he said, and I'll be a professional.
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So, um, that stuck with me, uh, more so there than anything is, okay, this is the job we
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do.
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We're not conventional military.
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We're not patrolling white space or doing this.
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We, we are taking, uh, the fight to the enemy.
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We are the tip of the spear, uh, even though we might not be going after high value targets
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doesn't matter.
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Uh, we are going after the enemies of at that time, our nation now being older, looking
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at it, um, I questioned more on why we were there, uh, but going back to something handy
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said, he said, but you, but you can't do that because we were operating under the umbrella
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of, Hey, this is what you got to go do.
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We weren't making those decisions to do it.
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We were just making decisions to keep ourselves and our buddies alive.
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And, and I thought that that was very, um, he doesn't realize this when he said it, but
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that's actually a scriptural principle.
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You control what you can control.
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This is the hierarchy.
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This is what I'm told to do.
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If I'm not sinning against God, if I'm not doing the wrong thing, my country sends me
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to fight this country because this country attacked us.
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That's what, that's what we're told.
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That's all I know.
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We find out that that's not true 20 years down the road, road and hindsight is 20, 20,
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but I'm out there.
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We're not murdering civilians.
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We're not doing evil things.
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We're not killing women and children.
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We show up to this country at the behest of a political agenda for lack of better word.
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And now I've got to keep me and my buddies alive.
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So we go back to our wives and our kids, um, whenever we get home and we just kind of
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do what we're told in that framework and Christ says that he says, do everything as if you
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do it under God.
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Do it with all your mind.
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If you're a soldier, whatever it is that you do, and he tells the Roma soldiers be worth
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your salt because they got paid in salt, right, do a good job.
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And at that point in time in my life, uh, when I'm sitting there in a sniper, I'd watch
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as somebody go playing IDs to blow my buddies up as they leave the town, uh, I'm not put
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there to share Christ with that guy anymore.
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I'm put there to defend my friends and me and make sure that we all get home to our
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families or make sure that they stay alive long enough that I can share Christ with them.
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So that's kind of how I rectified or justified.
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I thought it very interesting that Andy said that like two days ago, um, you know, you
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can't think too much on what the political does over here because we have no control
20:58
over that, um, we literally go do the bidding of our country and now you get into precarious
21:05
thing.
21:06
That's what a lot of the Germans did against the Jews, but you see a difference in going
21:11
after, um, women and children and a civilian populist and going after war fighters or terrorist
21:19
sales or an insurgency that is running rough shot over everybody.
21:24
Does that make sense?
21:25
That's where the difference is.
21:26
Yeah.
21:27
There's no comparison to the German military marching, uh, women and children out into
21:32
the middle of the woods naked, having them bare, you know, dig their own hole in the
21:36
ground and shoot them in the hole.
21:37
That's right.
21:38
Yeah.
21:39
That's what we were doing.
21:40
There's no comparison.
21:41
Yeah.
21:42
Exactly.
21:43
There's no comparison.
21:44
So the reason I say that is I've had people use that before.
21:45
That's where God is telling you to stand as did your Bonhoeffer did against, against
21:51
the, the authorities that are over you because the authorities that are over you are using
21:57
their authority for unbelievably sinful purposes and you can see it at face value.
22:02
This is not some political decision that we don't see or don't know.
22:05
For us in Afghanistan and Iraq, now looking back on it, I would say, I'm probably, you
22:10
know, why were we really there?
22:11
And it was the pull out that made that happen for me.
22:13
Well, what did my buddy's die for?
22:15
What do we kill people for?
22:16
Because look at the Biden administration's pull out.
22:20
But I didn't know that at the time.
22:22
You know, that was what, 10 years prior to that, we were in Afghanistan and we went all
22:25
the way back to 2008 and it was, you know, you don't know those things.
22:31
So it's not, it's not at face value that, hey, this, you know, what the political agenda
22:35
is.
22:36
So you can't, you can't think about it.
22:37
You can't worry about it.
22:38
I just have to do the best job I can with a team of guys I'm on.
22:41
Yeah.
22:42
So you raise your hand and you basically said, here I am, send me and you were sent to a
22:47
certain place and you were sent to take out certain types of people and again, categorically,
22:51
these were very, very evil people.
22:52
And this is where I think a, you know, we're formed and we're Calvinistic theology actually
22:56
helps because it's like, Hey, those guys were either elect or they weren't.
22:59
My job was to set up the meeting between them and God.
23:02
And right before that, these people were raping people.
23:05
They were murdering people.
23:07
They were trying to murder as many Americans and Westerners as possible.
23:10
And if they could come to this country, they would slit every single one of our throats
23:14
and not even think twice about it on October the 7th.
23:17
Yeah.
23:18
That's a great example.
23:19
And they're even murdering people in their own country.
23:20
I mean, it is, it is tyrannical rule through their religious ideology, you know, the religious
23:25
ideology of Islam and what they, what they believe in that.
23:29
But with that being said, um, you know, I've never had any issues with that.
23:34
You know, now I can look back on it and say, I wonder at the big level what we were doing
23:39
there, but it doesn't impact how I feel about what we did at the team level or what I feel
23:43
my buddies have been doing at the team level, even, even since I left one was funny about
23:49
that, Jared.
23:50
When I talked to guys that are looking back on their time, obviously Afghanistan was like
23:54
a dividing line for most veterans that are like, you know, there are veterans that are
23:57
looking down at their legs and they're not there and they're like, what in the hell do
24:01
we do any of this for in all those types of things?
24:03
But the general consensus I've got is the, the darkness that we pushed back when we were
24:09
there needed to be pushed back, we can't control the fact that a democratic administration wanted
24:14
to get a political win without regard for any of the, the negative downstream consequences
24:20
that would happen.
24:21
And without regard for what things would look like decades down the road.
24:25
The thing I am curious though, Jared from your perspective, obviously coming from the,
24:29
the spec ops community and being around a lot of those guys, being around tier one guys
24:33
and kind of doing a lot of these types of things.
24:36
A lot of guys are absolutely somewhere between flummoxed and furious about the current state
24:41
of our military.
24:42
And again, that has a lot to do with the Biden Harris administration as well, basically saying
24:47
that the military is not going to be a main focus that we're going to, you know, we're
24:50
not going to be a paper tiger, like we're going to be like a paper puppy and those types
24:53
of things.
24:54
Yeah, people around the world that are not taking us seriously, you know, you can, you
24:59
can think all you want that maybe Putin wouldn't have invaded while Trump was in office, perhaps
25:03
not all these different things, all we do know is that when Biden and Harris were in
25:07
office, Putin did invade and all these other people are signaling that they don't really
25:12
take America seriously in the things that we're doing.
25:14
And also the things we're doing to signal are non support for Israel.
25:18
We're kind of supporting them.
25:19
But then we're kind of not at the same time, which can only embolden Iran, which was
25:23
absolutely decimated under the Trump administration versus the Biden administration.
25:27
So I say all that to say this.
25:29
We have recruiting issues at every branch, which again, after 20 years of war, you're
25:33
going to have recruiting issues.
25:35
But part of our recruiting issues is that the youth of America are way too fat and stupid
25:39
and on too many pills to even get into the military.
25:42
But then you also have guys like you that have sons that are coming of age and they
25:47
thought while they were in it, I would love if my son could carry on my seal legacy or
25:51
my, you know, Marine recon legacy or my, you know, SF legacy or something like that.
25:56
But now almost to a man, those guys are like, I'm going to let my son do it every once.
26:01
If he asks me my opinion, I'm going to say, yeah, don't go fight for Uncle Sam, which
26:05
is such a shift from these guys's mindset, even like five to 10 years ago.
26:10
And so I'm curious where you're at with that.
26:11
Yeah.
26:12
So because it's a getting using that umbrella example that, that, you know, stomp so eloquently
26:20
put out when I was talking to him a few days ago, I think that's a great example because
26:24
you're literally no matter where you're at, even if you're at the tip of the spear as
26:29
an operator within so-com or JSOC or whatever, it doesn't matter where you're at.
26:35
If you're in that umbrella, you are doing whatever they say do within that umbrella,
26:41
whether you agree with it or not, you can't just pick and do now you, especially in special
26:47
operations command, unlike the conventional, the conventional is almost like a straight
26:52
arrow.
26:53
It's not even umbrella.
26:54
You got to stay on this path or you're, you're, you're done, you're in trouble or you're
26:56
out, whatever it is.
26:58
It was a lot of leeway in that umbrella to accomplish this mission they gave you or this
27:04
job they gave you.
27:05
Does that make sense?
27:06
So we had a lot of leeway and that was nice, but you still had the overarching mission.
27:15
And now when you, the umbrella we operated under was the Afghanistan Iraq, what we saw
27:22
happening there.
27:23
Now that we have so much information out there that we're able to sift through and analyze
27:27
and turn it into intelligence for ourselves, you know, as we analyze, we're like, Hey,
27:31
this narrative that we're hearing is not, that's not what we were getting when we were
27:35
under the umbrella.
27:36
That makes sense.
27:37
And that's why guys are like, Hey, I would not go into that.
27:42
So that would be one part of it.
27:43
The other part, now I'm a, I have three daughters.
27:45
I don't have any sons.
27:46
I've gotten nephews.
27:47
I've got kids that I talked to that I want to go to the military and I think it's great
27:52
that they have a heart for service, I've, some guys locally, I wouldn't say mentor them,
27:58
but they've come in and sat down and taught me for a few hours and now they're in buds
28:01
and they're going through buzz.
28:02
They keep texting me.
28:03
Hey, I'm here.
28:04
I'm, I'm doing this and I'll check in on them.
28:06
So I have been able to be a part of that, but I would say one thing as a dad with daughters
28:12
and then buddies who have sons and then my brothers who have sons, some of my nephews.
28:20
The reason that I think that a lot of folks don't, if you're outside of that umbrella
28:24
example that I just gave, that they don't want their kids going in the military is because
28:29
of this DEI push.
28:31
Everybody's asking, I got asked by a guy, he's a big liberal guy.
28:34
I made him on a plane the other day flying back, a Jewish guy of all things.
28:37
He's a, he's an attorney, teaches a good guy, really nice guy.
28:40
He said, Hey, I'm a big liberal.
28:41
What am I supposed to think about all these military people that don't like Trump?
28:45
I said, like who?
28:46
He said, like general Kelly, like a general millie.
28:50
And these, I said, I said, bro, those dudes are flipping clowns.
28:54
They're politicians.
28:55
They've never been in a fistfight, much less a gunfight.
28:57
They wear that there.
28:58
It's like that movie with the guy that plays Ali G and Borat and all that.
29:02
You know, where he's the, he's got the, got the big stack of ribbons.
29:06
He's never done anything.
29:07
He's the king.
29:08
And he's always like, Hey, you know, do that, kill him over there.
29:10
He's always got people waiting on him doing what he wants.
29:14
That's what these guys are like.
29:16
They're not patents, patents.
29:18
They're not patents or Eisenhower's or a Douglas is.
29:22
And I know that those guys had their issues, but these guys are not real warriors.
29:27
They're politicians in warriors dress, just like, you know, kids dress up on Halloween
29:33
as a Navy seal or whatever.
29:35
That's what these guys at the top are.
29:37
And that's why people won't put them in because they're not real warriors.
29:40
They're not being led by real warriors.
29:41
So it's like, if my sons are not going to be led by real warriors, they're going to
29:44
be hung out to dry by people that don't understand or know anything within their command structure.
29:50
I don't want my sons to be a part of it.
29:52
And then the DEI push what they do is they try to say, they try to let me know, Hey, we
29:57
want your, your daughters have the opportunity to do this now.
30:00
I'm telling you as a Navy seal, no, you want to build a platoon of women combat soldiers.
30:06
Fine.
30:07
Do that.
30:08
See how it works out.
30:09
There's women that want to do it, but I'm telling you, as a guy who's been there and
30:14
as a guy with three daughters, I want my daughters to have every opportunity that's
30:17
available, that is not one that I want them to do.
30:21
And my brother said something interesting to me one time.
30:23
He said, you know, I think of it this way because he's got both boys and girls.
30:26
He said, if my son died in service to this country, you know, without knowing all that
30:32
we know now, if he goes and he dies and we said, that would be unbelievably hard, but
30:37
it's an unbelievable honor, right?
30:40
That's the way we view men.
30:41
That's why we view sons.
30:42
That's just because we're different.
30:44
But if my daughter died serving this country, I view it differently.
30:50
And he said, I don't know how he said, I can't tell you why, but if my son goes off to war,
30:56
I can deal with that better than I can with my daughter going off to war.
31:00
That was the whole point behind it.
31:01
And I totally see that and understand it and feel that way.
31:04
I do not want my daughters doing what I've done.
31:06
But if I had a son, I would be like, hey, son, at face value, this is a good thing.
31:12
It's going to be good for you.
31:13
This is going to be honorable.
31:14
It's good for your country.
31:15
And it's the, it's the difference that God designed in men and women.
31:19
And the problem is our society tries to blur it and people with the top of the edge line,
31:23
whether political or whether in the bureaucracy of DOD, they want to blur those lines.
31:28
And so why join when they're going to blur those lines because it takes away the honor.
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When I'll tell you to the the corn fed farm boy from Iowa, he's not going to be drawn
33:13
to the military by a commercial that's talking about this girl that has two mommies and it's
33:18
like, hey, here's what the military can do for you, it's like, no, no, no, it's like,
33:22
what can you do for your country, not what types of benefits can you get from joining
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the military?
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100%.
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100%.
33:28
I think it's also there's a fundamental thing and I didn't come up with this.
33:31
I'm trying to remember it was like some anthropologist way back in the day.
33:34
He was talking about we all innately understand the difference in importance between a womb
33:37
and a sperm giver.
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And this is what we mean because a womb is infinitely valuable, whereas a sperm giver
33:43
is not.
33:44
And so the example that this guy use or maybe I made it if I can't remember, but it's like,
33:48
okay, if you've got a village with no kids, but there's, you know, 50 men and 50 women
33:52
in this village and, you know, a barbarians come over the hill and they kill 49 men and
33:57
no women.
33:59
That people group will survive because that man will be busy, but there are enough wombs
34:03
to where that people group can be rekindled.
34:06
But if you flip it and the barbarians come over the hill and they kill 49 women and leave
34:10
the men, that people group is decimated because there's only one womb left.
34:14
So I think we all innately understand the importance of a womb versus a sperm giver.
34:19
But now we're talking about sacrifice and it's like, what does it say about the health
34:23
of a country when you are allowing your women to fight your battles for you, which I think
34:27
extrapolates out into a larger conversation about who is in combat roles, you know, female
34:33
police officers are actually working the beat and things like that, because all I know for
34:36
me is when my buddy was, you know, he was doing the process to get into the academy to be
34:41
a police officer in Kansas, his, you know, people that would have been his bosses called
34:46
me and they were like, hey, they gave me a scenario that almost brought me to tears.
34:51
They said, all right, you're out of town and there's, you know, a problem at your house
34:56
and your wife and your kids are in trouble.
34:59
How would you feel if this man that we're interviewing right now, if he was the only
35:04
one on the way for help?
35:05
And I said, my family's going to be fine because he's on the way.
35:09
But if the people on the way are like fat, doughy dudes or any kind of a woman, I'm not
35:16
going to feel great about that situation.
35:17
And you have a country that is trying to elevate people that are of a particular background
35:22
or that have some sort of internal mental illness about who they are even gender wise.
35:27
It's like, this isn't the point of the military.
35:29
Do that crap on a college campus.
35:31
Keep it out of the military.
35:32
And they want to normalize it.
35:33
That's the other hard part.
35:34
They want to normalize it.
35:36
And it's not normal and it's actually against the biological makeup of us.
35:41
The one example I used when I was talking with some, you know, very high leaders within
35:45
NSW at a program I was at, these guys were admirals and commanders, they're out there.
35:50
They're all kind of lean a little left on this.
35:53
And again, I think it's, I think it's the knowledge and the wisdom of being far removed
35:57
from the reality of combat for most of these guys, even if they had been there.
36:00
Most of them had not that they don't realize, you know, so you have that disconnect from
36:05
the, the dude that sits behind the desk all the time and the guy who's always got blood
36:09
on his candies.
36:11
That disconnect exists within the military.
36:13
And that doesn't mean that this guy doesn't know or doesn't understand.
36:16
He might.
36:17
Right.
36:18
But ultimately his life is different than this guy's life.
36:22
And when they're talking about, well, we think we should allow, you know, women in and
36:26
all that and going through the process, I said, then create a program for women because
36:32
how much do you spend on family resiliency?
36:34
And I can't remember what they say.
36:35
They call it family resiliency because they realized a seal or an operator who was able
36:42
to maintain his marriage and his kids was not divorced was going to be better, right?
36:46
They see that.
36:47
If the family unit is cohesive, then the operator is going to be a better operator because he
36:54
doesn't have this burden in him over here while he's trying to do high level operations.
36:58
And I said, have you asked y'all, y'all spend millions of dollars.
37:01
I want to say it was like $23 or $33 million.
37:03
They said they spent on family resiliency again.
37:07
I can't remember.
37:08
You could probably look it up and find the exact number, but it was in the millions.
37:10
I do remember that on family resiliency for Naval Special Warfare, okay?
37:17
And it might have even been just for one coast.
37:19
I can't even remember for one group like group one, group two, development group, whatever
37:23
group, right?
37:24
So however much they spend, you're spending all this money on family resiliency.
37:29
Have you talked with the wives about how they feel about a female being in the platoon or
37:36
the task unit or the squadron with their husbands?
37:39
Have you taught with the wives about it?
37:42
And they had.
37:44
And when they did, and I called a couple buddies while I see, but when they did, it was a resounding.
37:51
I'm talking 100% absolutely not.
37:55
The wives did not want a female.
37:58
You want to know why?
37:59
Because our wives don't always make fun of something.
38:01
You know, you know, you know, you know, Mikey V better than you know me and I could.
38:05
I could pick out Mikey Vomer at 300 meters on nods just from the way he walked.
38:10
I mean, I could, I could pick him out and, you know, Mike Cross could say, yeah, that's
38:17
hussing over there.
38:18
Just literally by the way, I was laying on the ground behind a rifle.
38:21
We're able to pick each other because we're so close and tight knit.
38:25
Throw a woman in that, throw a female in that and biology is going to take over and you're
38:30
seeing, I have one guy telling me, we just be a professional.
38:32
You don't just, you know, you just don't bang everything that moves.
38:35
That's not the way it works, brother.
38:36
You're telling me I'm crazy and I don't believe in science because I believe God created the
38:40
world and, you know, and, and all that's in it and all the fulfillment of it and that,
38:44
you know, Jesus, Donald and Carlson, Rose, you're saying that I don't believe in science
38:47
because I believe that.
38:48
And you're telling me that it's not a biological thing that when a man and a woman get together
38:54
at some point in time, something's going to happen between that man and that woman.
38:59
It has nothing to do with professionalism, has everything to do with biology and science.
39:04
It's just going to take place and everybody knows that.
39:06
That's why the wives are like, absolutely not.
39:08
The last thing I'll leave you with, you know, 200 pound team guide, you know, six foot,
39:12
200 pounds, you know, probably, you know, five or six percent body fat would be your,
39:17
you know, kind of your standard operator and if it fluctuates, but let's just go off
39:21
of that, right?
39:22
In County, you're epitome of that's what I want my operator to be.
39:24
The equivalent chick to that is like a hundred and thirty five pounds, five foot six probably.
39:29
I mean, look at CrossFit chicks are a great example, five foot six, probably a little
39:32
bit higher on the body fat percentage.
39:34
So it doesn't get unhealthy for the woman about 10 percent.
39:37
I'm going to go ahead and tell you that there's a big difference in a 200 pound man and a
39:43
hundred and thirty five pound chick, even though that would be the equivalent playing field.
39:47
If you have a 200 pound chick, she's fat and out of shape, right?
39:52
One in addition to that, that a hundred and thirty five pound freak beast, you know, CrossFit,
39:58
you know, world games, winner, woman, that type of person, she's not going to be able
40:02
to pick up a 200 pound seal that's got 70 pounds a gear.
40:06
That's currently dead weight to get them out of, you know, get them off the X.
40:09
It's just not something that they're able to do, but also in addition to that.
40:12
And then when we got to move on, there's an innate protection mechanism in sheep dogs,
40:17
like the guys that end up on the seal teams.
40:19
And when you put a child or a woman in and around these men, that innate mechanism to
40:25
protect this individual is going to be ratcheted up.
40:29
And so yes, there's the biological issues with, you know, sexual attractions and distractions,
40:33
but also men start to peacock when there's a attractive woman around and they're trying
40:38
to be like, Hey, who's got the bigger, bolder feathers?
40:40
And that's going to create a lot of issues as well.
40:42
So we got to get to the stuff that you're working on now.
40:45
But as a bridge to the stuff you're working on now, at some point, everybody's military
40:49
service ends up having to, to end, whether you get your 20 years in or whether you do
40:53
whatever, you have to make that choice to get out of the military.
40:57
For you, you didn't just make that choice and, you know, go into something basic.
41:01
You went, you've made that choice and then you went kind of into the entrepreneurism
41:04
world.
41:05
And you know, you started the shooting Institute, but I am curious for you, you know, what,
41:10
what made you get out?
41:11
Did you not go, you know, the CIA private militaristic group or out like a lot of the
41:15
guys do?
41:16
Why go straight from, Hey, you're a federal employee to, no, I'm going to be an entrepreneur
41:20
and eat what I kill.
41:22
Yeah.
41:23
Um, so long story short, when, uh, when I got out the, um, I was, you know, going through
41:29
a medical process, I was diagnosed with type one diabetes.
41:33
They tracked it to the anthrax vaccine, all of that being said, that precluded me from
41:38
being able to, to go back in, me and my wife actually had a different plan that we're
41:43
going to go with doing the reserve sale team for a few years, let her finish nursing school
41:48
here at, uh, at UAB where it was paid for, for, for her, like her school was paid for
41:54
here.
41:55
Moving back to where we were from doing that, me doing the reserve route, doing some contracts
41:59
for, you know, agency, trying to group all the different, you know, contract things and
42:03
then go back in.
42:04
Before, changed that direct, that changed that trajectory, um, very quickly, diagnosed type
42:11
one diabetes, go through the process and it was probably a year, maybe even a year and
42:15
a half process before all of that was figured out and, and, you know, it's basically, hey,
42:20
you, you're, you're no longer able to, to do anything with a Navy, uh, as, as it relates
42:27
to special operations, right?
42:28
You can't be a so-comer, JSCOG operator, be insulin dependent, uh, so they went through
42:32
the process and go into all my medical stuff, get my, you know, whatever the families try
42:36
care, retirement IDs, get a VA, VA percentage and all, all of that stuff that you would
42:40
get.
42:41
That's, that's what my process was.
42:42
And in the, in that transition, in the time of that process, um, I tried to do some contracts,
42:49
went overseas, it didn't work out because of, you know, some of the medical things I was
42:52
dealing with.
42:53
So, um, I became a, uh, sheriff's deputy here in the state of Alabama and, uh, went to the
43:00
academy and became a law enforcement officer and while I was doing that, started finishing
43:04
my, my degree, my, uh, business degree or my, my master's in business, uh, so as I started
43:11
that process and started doing that, I worked full time law enforcement for a year.
43:15
The doors open with some government contracting and start my company that I could get out
43:19
and start, that I left full time law enforcement and started training, DOD and law enforcement
43:24
entities and, uh, the lord let that, uh, morph into, uh, a couple of other things we
43:30
did, you know, wildlife work with wildlife biologists, animal calling and, and, uh, sharp
43:35
shooter training for people within, uh, the federal, um, it'd be like, like federal animal
43:43
control people, but they worked within, uh, the departments of forestry and different
43:48
things like that.
43:49
Right.
43:50
And those people, how to call, um, animal issues within urban and city areas, um, and
43:56
then working with those on that, uh, working with the federal government and the different
44:01
DOD and T's Marine Corps, Air Force, Navy, Army, all of them, uh, and then law enforcement
44:06
agencies and, uh, doing that and then it morphed into anti human trafficking work that called
44:12
to do quite a bit of that.
44:14
And, um, that's when my wife and I in 2018, we decided to start, uh, coming to rescue
44:19
group, our nonprofit and in 2019, we got our 501c3 status and, uh, I think in 2022, if
44:27
I remember right, I came on full time to come and rescue group because we had grown, uh,
44:33
so much at that time.
44:34
So that was kind of that transition out and that's what moved me into what I do now.
44:38
Uh, I did run for sure from the state of Alabama and the largest, uh, county of the state is
44:42
a county election, but it's the size of a congressional, uh, district.
44:46
You know, you got what 712,000 people I think in a congressional district, uh, you have
44:51
about a little about 800,000 people in this county.
44:54
If I remember right, I think it's eight hundred sixty was the census.
44:56
So, um, it was a very big race.
44:59
I ran and lost to the incumbent Democrat, uh, ran as a Republican lost to the incumbent
45:04
Democrat by about two percentage points, uh, plus or minus, you know, uh, a, uh, you
45:10
know, 10% and, uh, I think that was 200,000 or a quarter million votes and it was only
45:17
about 40% of the vote and, uh, I got like 96 or 97,000 votes.
45:21
The other guy got 102 or 104,000 votes and that was kind of the, uh, it was very close.
45:27
So that did tie me into politics and it was through that that the Lord opened the doors
45:32
for when people figured out about our nonprofit that it supported the campaign, uh, they started
45:38
supporting the nonprofit because we work here with, with state and local law enforcement
45:42
and federal law enforcement, um, they, uh, they started supporting this.
45:46
So the, the board voted to bring me on full time as a CEO and that's what I've been doing
45:50
for the last few years.
45:52
Also still running the trainings for my, uh, for profit company, but my main focus is
45:57
coming to rescue group.
45:58
Okay.
45:59
So let's, let's get into more detail about coming to rescue group because that was really
46:03
when I talked to Dustin Deaf and Derfer shout out to mountain tough, maybe the best, uh,
46:07
probably the best app for, for exercise, maybe on the planet for guys that are, whether you're
46:11
getting ready for a mountain hunt or just trying to, you know, get off the couch and be a better,
46:15
uh, better everyday athlete.
46:17
He connected us.
46:18
It was mainly the stuff that you were doing with covenant rescue group.
46:20
And this, this is why it was unique because I think at this point, uh, you know, there
46:26
were some movies that came out that really kind of shed some light on what's happening
46:29
in the world of human trafficking and child sexual exploitation.
46:33
And everyone's kind of heard the different horror stories, obviously the stuff within
46:35
the Southern border, we have unaccompanied minors that are being sent there.
46:38
They've got a piece of paper that says, you know, call Jose and they call Jose and Jose
46:42
supposed to be this little girl's uncle, but it's not her uncle.
46:45
It's a trafficker and we, the American taxpayer are paying for this girl to be shuttled, you
46:50
know, whether on a bus or an airplane to this trafficker, to either be used for, you know,
46:55
forced labor or forced sexual exploitation or both or some sort of thing.
46:59
And then whenever the girl is completely destroyed physically or used up, they basically take
47:03
them out in the desert, kill them, bury them in a shallow grave and then nobody talks about
47:06
it anymore.
47:07
Because apparently this is just the world we live in now.
47:09
But for you, there are a lot of fights to get into Jared.
47:12
There are fights that you can get into on the political side, like you, you talked about
47:15
trying to get into that world, you know, on the, on the law enforcement side, you can
47:18
fight for, you know, pro life causes.
47:20
You can fight for whatever your thing is, but you got into one of the darkest of darkest
47:25
fights that a human being can get into that has a deep and abiding and sticky effect on
47:31
you and everyone that's attached to you because of the work that you're doing, because of
47:35
things that you're seeing and because of the evil that you're confronting.
47:38
So I guess the question is just as we get into what covenant rescue group even does,
47:42
is why why Jared, why you I get it because I was put on this earth to equipment to push
47:47
back darkness.
47:48
But you're on the front lines of this darkness.
47:49
Why?
47:50
Man, I don't know.
47:51
I mean, it's what is it?
47:53
Is it a Ezekiel six eight?
47:56
I heard the voices.
47:58
I think it's Ezekiel six eight, I heard the voice of the Lord calling, who shall I send
48:02
who'll go forth?
48:03
I said, here, am I Lord send me sort of thing?
48:06
It just kind of happened.
48:07
I can't, if I'm being honest, I can't tell you why or how or, you know, it's not anything
48:13
that I we have that built in us is kind of an innate thing, especially for, for somebody
48:19
that, that does what I did.
48:21
Hey, we want to go and as a whole reason I joined the seal team and if that's that mission
48:24
trip, I want to go and do a positive thing around the world.
48:27
The whole reason you go overseas on behalf of your country and you fight to liberate
48:31
people who are being run roughshod over by, you know, evil organizations like the Taliban.
48:38
It's or al-Qaeda or ISIS or whoever it is, right?
48:41
It's the whole reason that that we do what we do as men, as warriors, as that we're called
48:50
to do.
48:51
It's how we're made.
48:52
So I guess there's probably a little bit of that to it, but this specific thing, man,
48:55
the Lord just opened the doors and it's just kind of happening and it doesn't come without
48:59
friction.
49:00
And there's always friction.
49:01
I will say that we work with a lot of law enforcement agencies.
49:04
I'm still a law enforcement officer, but law enforcement agencies as a whole are unbelievably
49:10
and it's because they're government, right?
49:12
They're unbelievably unprofessional.
49:14
They're unbelievably terrible at everything that they do and it's not their own fault.
49:20
That's the other thing.
49:21
It's not their own fault that they're this way, it's a lot of times they haven't learned
49:26
anything else and you get a level of arrogance that comes with it and pride comes before
49:31
the fall.
49:32
And what did we see happen in the law enforcement agencies around this nation that would say,
49:36
talk about how great they are and then all of a sudden they're put to the test and they
49:41
fill the test and Proverbs tells us says, how weak is your strength when you're put to
49:45
the test and you don't pass the test, right?
49:52
I'm not saying that we always pass the test, but our goal was to train law enforcement
49:55
agencies because I saw the need for that as a law enforcement officers to train law enforcement
50:00
agencies on how to effectively target child exploitation to build a good probable cause
50:07
case and be able to make a solid apprehension, but not just the apprehension.
50:12
There's two signs are law enforcement.
50:13
You've got the apprehension side, we see that arrest taking place, but then you've got
50:17
the prosecution side, you've got to build a good probable case that could be prosecuted.
50:21
So that's what we try to bring together for law enforcement agency and we train them how
50:25
to do that.
50:26
We'll help them set up an operation that they run lead on their investigators and all that
50:30
and we will basically show them how to target individuals who are targeting kids kind of
50:37
like what you talked about just a little bit ago.
50:39
And when we show them that, it's not that they don't have the tools or the skillset,
50:44
no matter how small the agency, we've seen agencies that have the tools and the skillset
50:47
to do it.
50:49
They just have to hone that skillset a little bit, but the first thing they have to do is
50:53
be willing to say, hey, we want y'all to come in and help us with this.
50:57
And that's probably some of the friction that we've seen is, I've had agencies tell me
51:04
they're like, hey, no, we do that.
51:06
Well, here's the thing.
51:07
I go all over the nation to see it.
51:08
I know for a fact that you don't.
51:10
Otherwise, it wouldn't exist in the capacity that it does.
51:14
And so we go around and we train agencies how to do that.
51:17
And that's how we combat it.
51:19
And again, the Lord just kind of opened the doors to make this happen.
51:25
And that's our goal is effective apprehension and prosecution.
51:29
Those two things are what's important in our nation.
51:34
And that's I don't know, I don't know if it's a calling or whatever, it just kind of just
51:40
kind of how it fell.
51:41
And that's what we do.
51:43
So I want to get into missions here in just a second, but I want to actually park here
51:46
for a minute because I feel like there's been a little bit of a shift.
51:49
So I remember back in the day watching what was that Chris Hanson, Dateline NBC and they
51:54
would like these operations to catch these guys.
51:56
Yeah, to catch predator.
51:58
But then initially in the initial shows, they would catch them, shame them by putting
52:03
their video, you know, all over, this wasn't really all over the internet at the time,
52:07
but all over the television screens and some, somewhat on the internet.
52:10
And then that was it.
52:11
And then people obviously and rightfully were freaking out.
52:13
They're like, wait a minute.
52:14
You had a pedophile in your midst and you just let them go because there weren't walls
52:18
at the time to be able to take these guys.
52:20
And then it kind of shifted to where a lot of these guys were actually being taken down.
52:24
But then the problem was is they weren't actually being prosecuted.
52:27
So they were being arrested.
52:28
They were being taken down to the ground and handcuffed.
52:30
But then they were given, they were given, they may be a slap on the wrist, but even
52:33
if they were prosecuted and convicted, they were getting these incredibly short sentences.
52:39
And so around the country, we still have some of that going on where these guys are getting
52:42
a slap on the wrist or short sentences.
52:44
There are some states that are actually throwing the book at these people.
52:48
But for me, I don't understand.
52:49
It's like, what other laws do you need to have on the books to where we can stomach
52:53
as a people, the death penalty for people that are actively and systematically raping
52:57
children?
52:58
Like, I don't understand why there's an issue there.
52:59
Go ahead.
53:00
We've had, we've had, the laws have always been on the books.
53:02
So one of the biggest things is everything is, you know, and now it kind of kills me because
53:07
we're, it's kind of like in that, in the new top gun movie, you know, when they're flying
53:12
under the radar through the friggin ditches or through the, through the canyon.
53:17
Yeah.
53:18
And we can't get above the radar because soon we do this, missiles start going everywhere.
53:21
Right?
53:22
You remember that?
53:23
That's kind of how we, we have to operate on our end.
53:28
And Hanson and those people, they, they didn't do that because again, there was never a court
53:33
case.
53:34
There was never anything that they had to deal with or effectively do law enforcement agents
53:37
weren't sure about it.
53:38
Hey, how can we make an arrest because it's Hanson bringing them in.
53:42
He's going to put them on a TV show first.
53:44
So can we even arrest this person?
53:46
There was some very precarious things there because it's really honestly violating probably
53:51
fourth amendment rights more than anything, especially if you're chatting them in on an
53:56
email or a phone.
53:57
So it's not a red tape that keeps you from doing it.
54:00
It's not a lack of laws.
54:01
It's that the way they were doing it was arguably violating constitutional rights that are already
54:08
outlined for us in the, in the US constitution.
54:10
So that would be the first thing I say about those sort of things.
54:13
You see the guys that do it on Facebook go, Hey, I got this guy right here showing up for
54:17
a kid.
54:18
They'll shame him.
54:19
I'll send him, make them drink their own [inaudible] and all that kind of stuff.
54:22
You know, one of the things that, that we've seen is, you know, you sometimes get somebody
54:26
with some sort of mental issue.
54:28
I'd have seen one of the kids was an autistic kid and, and we've, we've chatted those guys
54:33
in.
54:34
It doesn't mean that you don't deal with that.
54:35
And that, that, that could have been a criminal act this, this guy, just because he has a
54:38
mental issue doesn't mean he can't go after your nine year old daughter.
54:43
They most certainly can, but we have to deal with that differently.
54:49
Then we would a normal criminal act of this 45 year old teacher showing up for a kid.
54:53
Does that make sense?
54:54
Do we see the difference?
54:56
And so training the law enforcement agency on how to effectively sift through those differences
55:01
to target people who are really targeting kids, not somebody who, you know, has an issue mentally
55:08
or another thing we see, you know, a 19 year old kid who's drunk, out drinking, whatever
55:13
he sees, you know, showing up for a 14 or a 15 year old girl who's got some semi hot
55:18
pictures online and he shows up, this is just a dumb kid that wants to have sex.
55:21
He's not a sex predator.
55:23
Doesn't mean you don't slap him on the wrist, doesn't mean that he doesn't get him up.
55:27
And maybe you changed the trajectory of this kid's life.
55:29
He made a dumb decision, but that is not the same again as the 40 or the 50 year old person
55:36
who is habitually going after children.
55:41
And that's the, that's the difference I would save that, that you've seen and the Hanson
55:44
thing is, and, and even the guys on Facebook and Instagram, vigilante groups is they, they
55:50
don't show how to do this.
55:51
They just bring in who they can.
55:53
They want to make a show about it.
55:54
They want to fly above the radar.
55:56
Well, when you do, they start shooting missiles at that, at that case, and you can't make
56:00
a successful criminal case on that, right?
56:03
So that's where we try to stay under radar.
56:05
That's why I mean, I've been doing more of these interviews recently and it's negatively
56:09
impact.
56:10
I'll be honest, these podcasts, we go on and stuff, it spreads the word.
56:13
We've got to raise money to fund this, but it also negatively impacts what we do because
56:18
now we're starting to get above the radar a little bit and people will start shooting
56:21
these defense attorneys will get in and molest a solid criminal case.
56:24
So our goal is to teach the law enforcement agency, we're not doing this.
56:29
We just oversee and we go alongside them to make sure they do it appropriately, how to
56:34
build a solid criminal case that doesn't violate that initial constitutional right in particular
56:39
the fourth amendment, because most of our stuff is, you know, through messaging, right?
56:44
Other emails, social media, text message, whatever, right?
56:48
Don't violate that fourth amendment so that we have a good probable cause felony case
56:53
to make an arrest.
56:55
We're able to get some background on this individual oftentimes before they show up.
56:59
But even when they get there to be able to figure out as law enforcement, hey, hang on
57:03
a second, there's an issue here outside of criminal act or this guy is just an 18 year
57:10
old kid who needs his pee pee slap, but he doesn't need to go to jail forever for soliciting
57:15
a monitor because that's that's not what he's doing.
57:17
I mean, heck, I mean, I'm three years older than my wife, right?
57:19
So we just we just got to change our trajectory.
57:23
This is not okay.
57:24
Don't get me wrong, but it's different than, hey, this guy right here, he's a previous
57:29
sex offender.
57:30
Hey, this guy right here that's showing up, he's a 55 year old doctor, a person of trust
57:34
lawyers, so that's where we try to hone this in so that we're going after very specific
57:40
individuals returning kids.
57:41
And this why it's important, you look it up on a department of justice website or on one
57:47
of the studies that department justice did.
57:48
This is about a 15 year old study for every, I'll use male because the common demographic
57:54
is not like white, black, Hispanic, anything like that.
57:56
It's just kind of male would be the common demographic, although we do see females that
58:00
show up to purchase kids, a male showing up for a female will have 50 victims before
58:10
they're finally prosecuted, not arrested.
58:14
I'm not talking about apprehended, a lot of them get apprehended and you know, they'll
58:18
have 50 victims before they're successfully prosecuted.
58:23
A male showing up for a male will have 150 victims and both of these are plus or minus
58:28
10% right, that's kind of how they did the study, 150 victims before they're prosecuted.
58:34
You can look that up on the, I might say if Stephen can send you the link to the reports
58:38
is a couple hundred pays, like 250 or 300 page report with DOJ and I think the American
58:43
psychiatric association, they both agree on those numbers and it's a pretty old study,
58:49
so it might even be more than that now.
58:52
But if you look at that for every person that you arrest showing up for a decoy based operation
58:56
where they think they're getting a 14 year old girl, before they're prosecuted there'll
59:01
be 50 victims and we've seen that act out in reality, right?
59:04
We've seen guys, we've, they've been arrested showing up for 14 year old girl and then we
59:08
get a warrant or subpoena rip their phone because that's what our probable cause is based on
59:13
anyway and then in that phone, we find that they're having sex with their own 18 month
59:18
old daughter.
59:19
That would be a real case.
59:20
It's already met its, you know, disposition, producing and distributing child porn with
59:24
his own daughter or where they're victimizing other people and sometimes even grown women.
59:28
We had a woman reach out who, a guy we arrested showing up for a 14 year old girl, we're working
59:34
with a local agency, they arrest him.
59:36
She reaches out to the agency and says, Hey, I just want to let you know, I didn't have
59:41
anywhere to go to know what to do, but he used to take me and lock me in a trailer for three
59:45
days at a time, make me perform sex acts videos, put on a line, she was an illegal immigrant,
59:49
she was afraid to go to the police, so she reached out anonymously and told us this and
59:54
she said, thank you for, thank you for getting him.
59:59
She had no recourse.
1:00:00
So you truly are doing the scriptural thing and protecting the widow and the orphan protecting
1:00:06
the, those who can't protect themselves.
1:00:08
They have no recourse and that's what we're teaching law enforcement agencies to do.
1:00:12
The last thing I'll leave you with, there's an agency, not far from here, a buddy of mine
1:00:20
that was working, the child advocacy is like, not eye-cackness or internet crimes against
1:00:23
children, it was just their crimes against children thing and it might be internet crimes
1:00:27
against children.
1:00:28
It might be actual abuse cases, like he has all of these cases, whether it's tips, whether
1:00:32
it's actual cases that are on his desk that he should be investigating, he was the only
1:00:36
person at this agency, which is relatively large agency that was investigating it and
1:00:40
his commander over the unit came to me and said, hey, I want you to go out and make some
1:00:45
drug cases.
1:00:46
And he said, I don't have the bandwidth to make drug cases, I'm by myself working these
1:00:49
where I've got these kids that are victims, I'm doing these cases, he said, I don't care
1:00:52
about those cases.
1:00:54
He said, I get, the bang is worth the buck on a drug case, I want you making a drug case.
1:01:00
They're easier to make, so it looks good and we get more money in it.
1:01:04
So it's symbolism without substance.
1:01:06
We're making drug cases where the state of Alabama, the state of Georgia, the state of
1:01:10
Montana, wherever you're at, is the victim in the arrest box as opposed to making cases
1:01:15
where we find real victims that we are in not the arrest box, but in the victim box once
1:01:20
we make an arrest, we're going after crimes where maybe society is the victim, but we're
1:01:27
letting the crimes go where a real victim exists.
1:01:31
And that's problematic, and I believe it's John Locke that said that, and it might be
1:01:36
in commentaries on the laws of England of 1766 that he wrote, that a crime cannot be
1:01:43
committed if there's not a victim, which is why in American jurisprudence, when you make
1:01:48
a drug arrest, they have to put, there's always a victim place, they have to put the state
1:01:54
of Alabama.
1:01:55
If I'm making arrests in Alabama for drugs, I have to put state of Alabama as the victim.
1:01:59
There has to be a victim for the crime to have been committed, and we're letting crimes
1:02:06
go where there are real victims, there are like, and there are children that are victims.
1:02:11
It's not like somebody's victimized me because, you know, they rob me and they go away and
1:02:16
they rob some, you know, grown man.
1:02:18
That's bad enough, but we're talking about kids that have zero recourse.
1:02:24
And that's what we want to help law enforcement figure out.
1:02:27
No, I appreciate, because a lot of people think like, Oh, we need to support these,
1:02:32
you know, former spec ops guys to go out and do all these things.
1:02:34
It's like, no, you need to be a force multiplier.
1:02:36
You need to be able to train other people to do the things on themselves so they're not
1:02:39
dependent on you.
1:02:40
And you can't do that because it's illegal, these, all these operators are going to try
1:02:44
to do stuff.
1:02:45
It is, it's, it's illegal to do.
1:02:47
Yeah.
1:02:48
And it because you can make this point.
1:02:50
Yeah.
1:02:51
I think at this point, we've seen all the guys that are, you know, maybe MMA fighters or
1:02:53
different guys like that that are getting these dudes to show up at Walmart and then they
1:02:56
beat them up and do all that kind of stuff.
1:02:58
And like, you know, maybe like that, maybe you don't, but it's, it's ultimately ineffective.
1:03:02
But as you're describing what you're describing, it's hard for me as a father to listen to
1:03:08
what you're describing, knowing what I know of stories that have actually happened, things,
1:03:13
you know, you know, guys that are in this world and you hear those stories about the 18 month
1:03:18
old child that is sexually exploited so that someone can make money distributing child porn,
1:03:24
you know, the 50 victims before they're prosecuted.
1:03:26
If it's a, if they meet, trying to meet a girl, the 150 victims, uh, if they're trying
1:03:31
to meet a boy before they're prosecuted, like I'm sitting here.
1:03:35
I can feel cause I'm a ginger and I'm very aware of this.
1:03:37
I can feel my blood pressure rising.
1:03:39
I can feel my face getting warm and hot and I'll also just the angry tears like welling
1:03:44
up in my eyes at the, the, the injustice and the evil and all those things that are related.
1:03:52
And so for me, it's hard to kind of control that anger and that vitriol.
1:03:57
And so for you, obviously it's different if you're a professional operator, if you're
1:04:02
a law enforcement officer, cause law enforcement officers all over the planet have to put their
1:04:07
personal feelings of side of wanting to, you know, send this guy to a, to, you know, quick
1:04:12
dirt nap whenever they're putting the cuffs on somebody and marching them into, you know,
1:04:16
this place where they hope that justice is going to be found.
1:04:19
So for you, I like let's, let's strip away, you know, the nonprofit, let's strip away
1:04:23
all the PR, let's strip away all this stuff just for Jared.
1:04:26
How do you control yourself when you were literally face to face with these people that
1:04:31
are sex that are raping children and they think it's funny or they, they love it.
1:04:37
They don't see anything wrong with it.
1:04:39
Like how do you control yourself?
1:04:40
Well, one, we, we live in a sin following world, right?
1:04:44
And we, we know that.
1:04:45
I mean, obviously you as a believer, you understand that and, uh, you know, the, the, the morality
1:04:50
of man is filthiness, any righteousness we have is still filthiness before God.
1:04:56
So I remember that, um, I'm not far from any of these individuals that do this.
1:05:02
Now maybe I wouldn't show up for a kid or maybe I wouldn't rape a kid, uh, even without
1:05:07
Jesus in my life.
1:05:08
But what I can tell you is this, uh, as I'm a center say by grace, number one.
1:05:13
So the same grace that's extended to me, um, I believe that I should extend to anybody,
1:05:19
no matter what the sin is, because I do believe we serve a mighty savior who can deliver them
1:05:24
from that and deliver the victim and who will deliver, uh, the victim and ultimately let
1:05:30
justice be served.
1:05:32
So I would say that's the first thing for me, uh, the second thing in Proverbs, it says
1:05:36
a full gives full vent to his anger.
1:05:38
Uh, there's been many times where I've been angry and I'll be honest with you, uh, more
1:05:42
often than not, I'm not angry with the individual who's showing up and might have done these
1:05:47
things to kids.
1:05:48
I am angry with them and we're going to deal with them appropriately and we have a system
1:05:51
that does a pretty good job about dealing with them, right?
1:05:53
We're going to make sure that they get arrested and prosecuted.
1:05:56
I'm angry with the law enforcement agency when this is the true level of arrogance who wants
1:06:01
to give symbolism without substance.
1:06:03
It is, Oh yeah, we're going after this.
1:06:05
We're doing this when I know in reality you're not, uh, the law enforcement agency who will
1:06:11
say, Hey, we're professionals and we can make this happen, but they make an arrest and it
1:06:15
gets thrown out because they don't have a solid probable cause case.
1:06:18
They violated somebody's constitutional rights.
1:06:20
They, they violated, uh, maybe even state law or maybe they entrap this person, right?
1:06:26
Uh, so that, that is probably where most of my anger comes from is the symbolism without
1:06:33
substance side of the bureaucracy who has the power and the authority and the Bible says
1:06:39
this and Romans, it says they don't bear the sword in vain.
1:06:43
God has given them that power and authority and they squander it.
1:06:47
Um, because of, I don't know what, I don't know why they squander sometimes now I, and
1:06:52
I say that tongue in cheek because we work with a lot of agencies who are open handed,
1:06:58
open minded and say, please help us.
1:07:00
We want to learn how to do this, but we also run into a lot of agencies who are not like
1:07:04
that at all who thinks they think they're crap, don't stink and they can't, they can't
1:07:09
make a solid, solid case if they show up and arrest somebody in the middle of a crime,
1:07:15
much less trying to make a case on individuals who are targeting kids.
1:07:19
And that, that's probably where most of my anger comes from.
1:07:22
Yeah, I can completely understand that.
1:07:24
And obviously being a professional, you have to understand, that's the other difference
1:07:28
for if you're a believer, you don't believe in social justice because you believe in cosmic
1:07:32
justice, because cosmically speaking, the, the guy who created the con, the cosmos,
1:07:38
there will be justice for everybody and everybody will get what's coming to them.
1:07:41
And you know, and also as hard as it is, if we were to pray for our enemies, what could
1:07:46
be more of an enemy to humanity than a person that is predating a child.
1:07:50
Um, and you know, trying to sexually exploit a child, you need to pray for those people
1:07:54
to come to Christ because they are, they are not, you know, when Jesus died on the cross,
1:07:57
he died for those sins too.
1:07:59
That's right.
1:08:00
And you're hitting the nail on the head.
1:08:01
Here's the one thing that I have noticed is that of everything, the recidivism that
1:08:06
exists within individuals who are into that child exploitation, it is unreal.
1:08:16
The amount of difficulty is removed.
1:08:18
I've never seen anybody actually get out of that and turn out of that and not come back
1:08:23
to it.
1:08:24
I've used Proverbs a lot in this podcast, Proverbs is a dog returns to his vomit.
1:08:27
So a full repeats his folly.
1:08:29
You see that happening.
1:08:31
And I do believe because there's a, there's an unusual or there is a, there's a callusing
1:08:37
of the heart that goes beyond anything else.
1:08:40
So people will say all sin is the same where people in the Christian faith, all sin is
1:08:43
the same.
1:08:44
Now sin is not the same.
1:08:45
Uh, now all sin is paid for with the same price and that price is Jesus's blood.
1:08:51
That is true, but all sin is not the same.
1:08:54
And so you see the sin of, uh, you see sins add callusing to my heart to the point to
1:09:00
now this sin is so it's such a, a darkness that it is, it is only the Holy spirit to remove
1:09:10
it.
1:09:11
But at that point in time, God's put everybody where they're at so that they might reach
1:09:14
out and find him as Paul says, um, at that point in time, God has probably given every
1:09:19
opportunity possible to an individual.
1:09:22
It doesn't mean we don't share the gospel and maybe the Holy spirit awakens them right.
1:09:25
But, um, that being said, I've seen, I think that God has probably given every opportunity
1:09:30
and he's done, he hands them over to their callous heart.
1:09:34
He removes his hand and says, um, you know, not, not necessarily away from me, but we
1:09:40
know the scripture says he removes his hand and gives him over to a debase mindset.
1:09:45
That is probably if I'm really getting theological with it or you're talking about, you know,
1:09:50
philosophically having to, to, to sift through what we see and enemies we kill over season
1:09:55
and all that with these guys we're rest here.
1:09:57
If I'm getting theological and philosophical on it, it is that I believe God has handed
1:10:01
these, these individuals over to a debase mindset because this is, it's an unheard of level
1:10:08
of darkness to do the things that these guys do to kids in my opinion.
1:10:13
Yeah.
1:10:14
And I think when you listen to even secular, a clinical psychologist or people like that,
1:10:18
somebody that has like definable sociopathy or psychopathy or something like that, these
1:10:24
are not people that can be rehabilitated.
1:10:26
These are not people that can go through a program or go through 12 steps or go through
1:10:30
something like that and all of a sudden not be those things.
1:10:34
It's a wiring thing.
1:10:35
And that's not me diminishing what the gospel is, is actually me increasing what the gospel
1:10:39
can be in terms of how it's applied, but you do have a little bit of the summer camp theology
1:10:43
within guys.
1:10:44
That's right.
1:10:45
You know, all sins the same and all that.
1:10:46
It's like, no, you cannot read scripture and come, come away thinking that all sins are equally
1:10:51
the same when you sin sexually, you're sitting against your own body.
1:10:54
It is its own specific category of sin.
1:10:57
And then when you do that on top of everything to a child or to an unwilling participant,
1:11:04
it's even worse.
1:11:05
That's why I talk to people.
1:11:06
It's like, if you're murdered, you are killed once, right?
1:11:10
But if you rape somebody, if you forcibly hold them down and violently penetrate them,
1:11:14
you are causing them to live with that for the rest of their lives.
1:11:17
And so that's the basis of my argument for rapists, especially child rapists, getting
1:11:22
the death penalty, because when you kill someone, you've stolen their life from them.
1:11:26
But when you rape somebody, you've stolen their life, but they still have to live it.
1:11:30
And in the Old Testament, even in the law of Moses, that was, you know, anybody who did
1:11:35
that to a woman or a child, they were killed, they were taken out of stone.
1:11:40
So that, and that is the law of God, or if they hadn't gone to court beforehand, you had
1:11:45
the, the Avenger of blood who could come after them at that point in time, and they had certain
1:11:50
cities that, that these men would go sit in until they went before the courts to see
1:11:55
if, if they were innocent, if what was said about them was true.
1:11:58
And then if it wasn't the, the Avenger of blood, if they weren't in that city, the
1:12:01
Avenger of blood could kill them and, and it was, it was okay.
1:12:04
Yeah.
1:12:05
So I mean, and it wasn't murder for the Avenger of blood because he found them outside the
1:12:08
city.
1:12:09
So he'd kill them.
1:12:10
And it's, it's very interesting to see in everything you said, it's not, it got to summer
1:12:14
camp theology that these, you know, clowns will, will, will present, you know, and, and
1:12:19
they might not be clowns.
1:12:20
They might be Christian brothers, but they're very vanilla and their understanding of what's
1:12:24
going on here.
1:12:26
Those sins do something different to the human heart and the human body that, that most of
1:12:30
us can't fathom all sin creates death.
1:12:33
All sin separates us from God and the Holy Spirit changes us, but it is truly the Holy
1:12:37
Spirit who has to change those individuals and they have to truly accept what the Holy
1:12:42
Spirit is willing to do in their life.
1:12:45
Right?
1:12:46
God is not willing that he should die or perish, but this should all, all should turn and come
1:12:49
to him.
1:12:50
But they trade the truth of what God is for a lie and they, they stay in their own lustful
1:12:56
desires oftentimes.
1:12:58
But, you know, our system can put them away, can get them out of our, you know, keep them
1:13:04
from targeting people because we put them away and get them away from us.
1:13:08
But, but I don't think without the Holy Spirit, our system definitely doesn't change it without
1:13:12
the Holy Spirit.
1:13:13
They can't change.
1:13:14
And I have not seen yet with what we've done.
1:13:20
I've not seen that change in anybody's life, but I do believe it's important that you still
1:13:24
pray for them and you still present Christ and Christ crucified to those individuals as
1:13:27
well.
1:13:28
Yeah, certainly.
1:13:29
So we're running short on time.
1:13:30
So we need to make this the last question, but I was reminded of this when you were talking
1:13:33
about, you know, the 18 or 19 year old kid that's trying to meet a 14 or 15 year old for sex
1:13:37
because they're horny and they want to do all these different things.
1:13:39
Part of this is a porn problem.
1:13:41
And as I've said before to people, because I get messages all the time from, Hey, I have
1:13:44
a porn problem.
1:13:45
Like, no, actually you have a masturbation problem because it's like, if you stop masturbating,
1:13:49
you won't need the porn because people don't watch porn without masturbating.
1:13:51
That's like not a category of thing.
1:13:53
And so for me, like however long 15 years ago when I, when I stopped masturbating, that
1:13:58
was like a very specific thing but to where it was like, Oh, everyone's focusing on the
1:14:01
porn and the filters and all that.
1:14:03
And that's fine.
1:14:04
And it's like, if I stopped masturbating, then I cut, you know, cut off this, this lustful
1:14:08
act from the, the things that were helping me do that, the masturbatory AIDS as it were.
1:14:14
But for a lot of these young men, these 18, 19 year olds, they have been steeped in hardcore
1:14:19
pornography since they were a child since they were seven, eight, nine, 10 years old.
1:14:24
They've been watching violent in a lot of ways, very hardcore pornography.
1:14:30
And then when they get into real life situations with girls, that's why we see the ubiquity of
1:14:35
teenage girls going to the ER because they have anal fissures because they've also been
1:14:40
watching porn and they're like, Oh, I need to be violently penetrated into my anus and
1:14:44
I need to enjoy that or something's wrong with me and the boys think I need to be smacking
1:14:48
girls and I need to be choking them and I need to be doing all these crazy things because
1:14:52
that's what she likes.
1:14:53
And that's what makes me a man.
1:14:55
And so you take all of that, the ubiquity of porn, that is a direct correlation with
1:15:00
the people that are trying to act out in real life.
1:15:02
They're like, it doesn't matter where you go to find the data, the data are there to
1:15:05
basically prove that.
1:15:07
And then in addition to that, there's parents that will give their children a smartphone
1:15:12
that is completely unlocked at a very young age.
1:15:15
And some dutiful parents are concerned about what they are giving their children access
1:15:20
to, whether that's porn or violent videos or something like that, but it's also who they're
1:15:26
giving access to them to the child because children are being exploited through Snapchat,
1:15:33
through Instagram, through Roblox, through PlayStation Network, through any potential
1:15:38
thing hooked up to the internet that has a messaging thing, it doesn't matter.
1:15:42
These predators are prowling, they're looking for your child.
1:15:46
So your message, you're talking to an audience full of dads here.
1:15:49
What is your message to dads who maybe themselves are hooked on porn, who have kids that they're
1:15:55
worried about getting hooked on porn and how all this relates to people that will potentially
1:15:59
try to exploit their children?
1:16:01
No, and I won't regurgitate what you said because you said it perfectly with the pornography
1:16:07
problem, the masturbation problem, the problem that exists with our society that puts self
1:16:16
above everything and it always goes back to what Jesus said, love Lord God, Lord of hearts
1:16:20
of mind and strength, love your neighbor as yourself.
1:16:23
So you're loving yourself more when you look at this stuff or then when you try to act
1:16:28
this stuff out, even within marriage, you've got a lot of people, it's kind of surprised
1:16:34
me and blew me away.
1:16:35
They'll force their wife to watch porn with them, they'll watch porn with them, they'll
1:16:38
do weird stuff, they'll look at the only fans thing, you've got people that are, as a married
1:16:42
couple, they're defiling the marriage bed by putting stuff out there and they're making
1:16:45
money doing it, it's absolute insanity and it corrupts the mind and when it starts altering
1:16:50
and changing the mind into the ways of the world, you know, obviously friendship with
1:16:55
the world is enmity toward God, so you become an enemy of God and it starts to just totally
1:17:00
shift and change who you are.
1:17:01
So if you're stuck in that, realize what it leads to and pray that God delivers you.
1:17:08
If you don't know Christ, pray that he reveals himself to God, reveals himself to you, it
1:17:12
will be in the person of Jesus Christ and accepting from who he is and pray that the
1:17:16
Lord will change you in that and we're all sinners saved by grace and we all have to
1:17:20
regularly pray and put on the armor of God, but the one thing that we don't stand in conflict
1:17:25
against, I think it's Philippians chapter one that says, Paul says, I'm in conflict
1:17:31
and you need to be prepared for this conflict and stand in the conflict with me.
1:17:36
It's we're in conflict, but the one thing we run from is sexual sin and it is sexual
1:17:42
sin being sucked into the pornography.
1:17:44
How does that impact children?
1:17:46
They don't know, you're at a place as an adult where you can, you are allowed and you have
1:17:53
the ability to input discipline into your life or not, to input discipline into your
1:17:58
kids' lives or not, right?
1:18:00
A kid is not going to wait, go to bed at one in the morning because they worked all day
1:18:04
and then wake up at five in the morning to go back to work because they've got to get
1:18:07
a project.
1:18:08
None, are they?
1:18:09
They're just going to sleep, right?
1:18:11
Because they haven't learned, you have to learn discipline.
1:18:14
Even Jesus himself, it says this in Isaiah, it says, the child came and he had to learn
1:18:19
obedience and discipline.
1:18:20
Jesus, God himself, came in the flesh and had to learn this, right?
1:18:25
He learned it from his father, the carpenter here on earth, but he had to come and learn
1:18:29
discipline and obedience to the Father.
1:18:32
And this is important for us to understand if Jesus had to learn it, you better believe
1:18:36
that we have to learn it.
1:18:38
And it's important that you input that or implement it in your life, especially as it
1:18:43
deals with porn or sexual sin.
1:18:45
And then you also start implementing that in your kids' lives and praying over your
1:18:50
kids and praying for their minds and their purity.
1:18:52
So that would be the first thing as Christians.
1:18:53
And if you're not a Christian, I'm telling you, I don't know how you could do it any
1:18:57
other way than being rooted in the person of Jesus Christ.
1:18:59
Now the phone situation.
1:19:01
That is huge because we give our kids cell phones and we just open the world to them and
1:19:07
them to the world.
1:19:08
And you just mentioned for, you know, when you were talking about the sexual sin issue
1:19:14
of pornography and how it sucks people in, not just boys, but also girls, and it messes
1:19:19
them up mentally, emotionally and physically because of what they have to do to fulfill
1:19:25
something that God put in us, which was, you know, supposed to be the sexual desire of
1:19:30
a husband and a wife come together, become a one flesh, right?
1:19:34
And then for men and women that are out there, it will take your desire away from your husband
1:19:38
or your wife and you won't desire them anymore, or you can't enjoy what God has given you
1:19:45
because it's been cheap and stolen by the devil.
1:19:47
So you give them the tool that allows that.
1:19:51
The problem is something else.
1:19:52
You're exactly right.
1:19:53
The problem is something else, but this is a tool that allows that to happen.
1:19:57
Now take it one step further.
1:19:59
There are predators who know that tool allows that to happen and they have the same issue
1:20:04
and you better believe that they're going to be on that tool trying to talk to your
1:20:09
kids.
1:20:10
And it's no longer the free candy van that shows up and still is your kid.
1:20:12
That could happen.
1:20:13
And it does happen very rarely.
1:20:15
They will talk your child right out of the house.
1:20:19
59% of people who exploit children, let's say, whether they sexually abuse them, whether
1:20:27
they sell them, whatever it is, 59% of the people, the child knows, right, whether they
1:20:31
got to know them on any of the games or social media.
1:20:34
The child has a relationship with them, 59%.
1:20:39
The other about another 30-ish percent, I think, you know, it gets it close to, it might
1:20:45
be 35% or 34%, is a family member.
1:20:49
So now it's not just people, you know, when you might meet at church, you might meet out
1:20:52
in town and you become friends with, or they might meet online, it opens up that pool of
1:20:57
fish that they can potentially develop a relationship with, that 34% is a family member.
1:21:02
So father, uncle, mother, aunt, whatever it is, right, cousin, it's somebody that they're
1:21:08
actually kin to and then 7%, the statistics shows that 7%, somebody that's just random
1:21:16
that they don't even know.
1:21:18
And that's very interesting to see.
1:21:19
So what you've done when you give your kid a phone is you've given them the ability to
1:21:23
build a relationship with, you don't know who, through a device and they will not show up
1:21:29
and steal your kid from your house.
1:21:31
They will talk to your kid, they will steal your kid's mind and they will steal them right
1:21:34
out of your house because you're not paying attention.
1:21:36
So for dads, and I'll leave it at this because I know we don't have much time.
1:21:40
I know we're wrapping up, but one of the most prolific sex predators of all time, he focused
1:21:46
more on boys, I believe, if I remember right, but he didn't, but he wasn't really pick your
1:21:51
choosy.
1:21:52
I think he lived in a white demographic, but he said he didn't really care about the demographic.
1:21:55
He just focused on kids, primarily boys, but they asked him, what made you target somebody?
1:22:00
None of those things were the thing that he mentioned.
1:22:02
The thing that he mentioned was, he said, the first thing I would look at was the dad.
1:22:05
If I saw a kid that I wanted to go after, I would look at the dad and was the dad a threat.
1:22:09
And that is something important.
1:22:11
I'm not talking that you have to be, I mean, you look at, you know, some of these cage fighter
1:22:15
guys and all these dudes who fight in the UFC for living, I'm talking some of the toughest
1:22:19
dudes in the world, right?
1:22:20
I love watching UFC fights, boxers, all of these guys that you see, I'm not talking about
1:22:25
guys like that.
1:22:26
I'm not talking about guys who were fought war overseas, Navy Seals or whatever.
1:22:31
If you're a dad, you have to be some sort of a threat.
1:22:37
You don't have to get in a cage and win a cage fight with a guy, but when it comes to
1:22:40
your kid, you better be willing to do whatever it is possible to protect that kid.
1:22:46
And this, this predator said, if I saw that and it was, and that dad was a threat, I wouldn't
1:22:51
go after the kids.
1:22:52
So be a threat.
1:22:53
Now going to the other side of it, the old mama bear thought, right?
1:22:56
And, and sometimes you have that these women want to protect their kids.
1:23:01
But he said he would go after single moms and he would build a relationship with that single
1:23:05
mom.
1:23:06
So now he's a person of trust.
1:23:07
He's known in their life.
1:23:08
And he said, hey, look, let me stay here with the kids tonight.
1:23:10
You go out, have some time to yourself, go out on a date or whatever he would build a
1:23:15
relationship and moms would leave their kids with him.
1:23:18
That's the rest of the interview.
1:23:19
They would leave the kids and he would, he would groom those kids at that point, right
1:23:23
there.
1:23:24
So a dad, a man, the, the physical threat of somebody that could create a problem is what
1:23:33
deterred him.
1:23:34
And that's very interesting.
1:23:35
And so I would argue for dads, you said there's dads watching this, be a threat.
1:23:40
Don't be obtuse.
1:23:41
Don't be sucked into the, the games this weekend or your hunting or fishing program or your
1:23:47
workout program or whatever it is, your most important calling as a dad, especially as
1:23:53
a Christian man, if you're a Christian man is one, share the gospel with everybody around
1:23:57
you.
1:23:58
Be with a, be the man your wife needs you to be, be the man your wife believes you to
1:24:05
be.
1:24:06
And three, be a threat on behalf of your kids.
1:24:09
You're not their friend.
1:24:10
You're their dad.
1:24:12
Be their dad.
1:24:13
Be a threat.
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Yeah, your presence is a present, but and also again, we have so many dads that are worried
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about being buddies.
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They're worshiping at the altar of, I don't want my kid to be weird.
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And well, guess what?
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Would rather your kid be weird or safe, because if they're the only kid in the grade that
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doesn't have a phone, okay, well, then that's just the way it's going to be.
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The same thing with schools, there are people that are administrators at schools listening
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to this right now, aside from the fact that every school that has banned cell phones has
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had disciplinary problems go down, grades go up and participation go up and all that.
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You're also preventing your kids from being talked out of the school because how many
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people have heard a story of a teenage girl that's sitting there bored in third hour screwing
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around on her phone and the guy that's been grooming her has finally said that today's
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the day we're going to meet up.
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She thinks she's going to meet a 16 year old that goes to a high school across town and
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she's meeting a 35 year old man and we may never see her again.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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No, no, I mean, you're hitting the nail on the head and that's the last thing I'll leave
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you with and then I'll let you finish out.
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The thing that we see is girls will give themselves, they'll give their heart and their mind.
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They'll give themselves emotionally to something so they don't even have to be there.
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They don't have to be physically present.
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They will give themselves emotionally to something and when they've given themselves emotionally,
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they then give themselves physically, right?
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I had to win my wife's heart and mind before she would give herself to me as my wife.
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We see that in the song of Solomon in the Bible.
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I mean, it gives it perfectly and the woman says, I tell you girls in Israel, don't awaken
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love before it's time.
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Don't give yourself emotionally because she given herself emotionally.
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She was ready to give herself physically to Solomon, her future husband.
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Now, boys, you mentioned it just a little bit ago, they will give themselves physically.
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Physical doesn't mean as much.
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They'll give their eyes, they'll give their body, they'll give themselves physically to
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a woman, to a girl, to the pornography and then they give themselves emotionally to it.
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So it's the same problem just from two different ends, one, they give emotion and then the
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physical is taken, the physical is given away.
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Boys give the physical and then the emotions taken away.
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And then the same problem exists as they try to go order to get married, build a relationship.
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It just doesn't work because they've already given everything they have to give away, which
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is their heart, their mind and their body is being given away to something that didn't
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deserve it.
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It was stolen.
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Absolutely.
1:26:45
Well, Jared, we've covered a lot of ground in this conversation.
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We could keep going, but we just don't have the time for it.
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Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
1:26:51
No, man.
1:26:52
Thank you for having me.
1:26:53
If anybody wants to see what we're doing, go to covenantrescue.org, support us.
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We need financial support.
1:26:58
We got work on donors.
1:26:59
A lot of people say, "Hey, I can't write a $20,000 check," actually our biggest amount
1:27:03
of supporters are people who give $10 a month, $20 a month regularly.
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That's how we run and operate.
1:27:09
That's how we do the training for law enforcement agencies to make these arrests.
1:27:12
We average about 10 arrests, a little bit less than 10 arrests, actually per training
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and operation we run with an agency, but then when we're done, the agencies continue to
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do it, and they're actively going after people who are targeting kids.
1:27:24
So again, go to covenantrescue.org, follow us, support us financially.
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of Jesus Christ.
1:27:34
All right, guys.
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Those links are in the show notes.
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Jared, thanks for coming on.
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Thanks, brother.
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Have a good one, man.
1:27:40
There you go, guys.
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