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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus, the Lord, to walk in Him, rooted in built up
1:27
in Him and established in the faith, just as you were taught abounding in thanksgiving.
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That is Colossians 2, 6 or 7, guys, happy thanksgiving.
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It is thanksgiving week.
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Most of you guys are listening to this the day before thanksgiving, but just wanted to
1:38
kind of throw it out there to you guys.
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One thing that I'm terrible at is practicing thanksgiving, and I don't mean like the actual
1:44
act of thanksgiving.
1:45
I do a great job at eating all the food.
1:46
I mean, just practicing thanksgiving in my everyday life because I always look at the things
1:50
that are not quite the way that I want them.
1:53
Whether it's family or career or physical performance or any of those things, I'm always
1:58
looking for those ways to get better.
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That's good.
2:01
We should continue to push, but at the same time, we need to be thankful for what we do
2:04
have.
2:05
Just to flow for a very quick second here, I'm thankful for my family, my family is able
2:08
to do some things.
2:09
I mean my immediate family, my wife and my two boys, and we're able to do things because
2:13
of the career pass that we've chosen that are going to lead us to a lot more fulfilling
2:18
and happy life, and everybody's healthy right now, and that's just a really good thing.
2:22
Over the weekend, I got to go hunting at my buddy, Adam's Land, and it's a really cool
2:26
thing that I didn't grow up hunting, and so you kind of feel sheepish, and there's so
2:29
many things you don't know, and I made mistakes hunting, and I've talked about those on the
2:32
show before, and I've learned a lot of things, but I got a doe on the first day and a doe
2:36
on the second day.
2:37
I still got a buck tag, and I need to fulfill.
2:39
But just being able to go out to somebody's land and do a private hunt and I'll be worried
2:42
about anybody else potentially walking through or something like that, and just being able
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to learn from these guys that have hunted since they were barely able to walk, like that's
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such a cool thing.
2:52
And then for me, with both animals that I took down, I put my hands on them, and I pray,
2:56
and I thank God in those moments, and with the second one, I had a couple of guys with
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me and I brought them in.
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I'm like, guys, we're going to give thanks for this because that's going to feed my family,
3:04
that's going to feed other people, and that's just a really cool thing to give thanks for.
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And then also, guys, I'm just really thankful for you.
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I'm thankful for everybody in this audience every month, basically, since we've started
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this, we've gotten more and more listeners, and we've kind of exploded here in the last
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We do some things that don't always agree with everybody and don't always agree with
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you.
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Some of my favorite things that I get online or my favorite reviews are when people are
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The fact that you're still listening, even whenever I will vehemently disagree with you
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or you'll vehemently disagree with me on something, that's an awesome, awesome thing.
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But in the quick hitter segment today on today's show, we're going to discuss Trump announcing
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that he's running for president again in 2024.
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Elon Musk reinstating a spate of Bay and Twitter accounts.
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The US men's soccer team changing their team logo to add the LGBTQ rainbow just in time
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for the World Cup and the sentencing of the Waukesha, Wisconsin Christmas parade murderer.
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But we're going to start out with something obviously you see the name of today's episode.
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I've thought about people that are in ministry and their impact and their overall scope of
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their impact for a long time.
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And I guess I was really coming into my own when I was formulating some thoughts early
5:28
on.
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So like 2015, 2016, 2017, you know, whenever there was just an inkling of what undaunted
5:34
life would be.
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And then when we actually launched it around that time, that was whenever I was paying a
5:38
lot of attention to a pastor named Carl Lince.
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So he was the pastor of Hillsong, New York City, very much so a celebrity pastor.
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You know, it was very prominent that, you know, Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez and Kevin Duran
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and all these people would go to his church.
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And I remember when I lived in New York City in 2012, I didn't know Carl Lince was a thing
5:56
and it wasn't until I think the very next year when I knew he was a thing.
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And I was like, at the time, I remember thinking to myself, Oh darn it, like I wish I could
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have experienced what was going on there because I mean, he was being featured on all kinds
6:06
of things, right, in the Christian world, but also in the secular world.
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And he was, you know, just this cool guy pastor, right?
6:13
Like he was, he was very stylish and he was very, you know, he was just smooth.
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Like every time he would talk, everything like came off so smooth and he was so amenable
6:23
to to the media and look good on camera, like all the things like he was, he was the next
6:28
big thing.
6:29
People were like, he's going to be the new age Billy Graham.
6:31
This is the guy that's going to, you know, change America and all those different things.
6:34
Like he was getting touted for all of that.
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But then he had like back to back to back content things, interviews that he did where
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he said some things that were absolutely and completely confusing and disappointing and
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flummoxing and all kinds of stuff like that.
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The first one, I'm pretty sure I've got these three in the order of whenever they came out.
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They may be a little bit out of whack, but I remember the first time I heard this clip
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whenever he was being interviewed by Katie Kirk.
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So let's go to the clip here.
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And how do you feel about sort of the tolerance issue that I was talking to Joel about?
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I mean, I mean, do you guys have positions on say gay marriage and things like that?
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We have a stance on love and everything else we have conversations.
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So what does that mean?
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Exactly that.
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Often people want you to make these big statements about things and I don't believe
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it's fair.
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I don't think a public forum is always the best place to talk about something that's
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so sensitive and important to so many because a public forum, there's no discussion there
7:36
and everybody's situation is unique.
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So I've been with some people who make a statement about this and I'll say, why?
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I'd rather have a conversation with that person because if I make a statement publicly, there's
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no discussion.
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There's no explanation.
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There's just this comment and we want to just to play devil's advocate.
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I mean, do you feel that's hard for you because you're so sweet.
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But do you feel like you have a moral imperative to speak publicly about some of these more
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controversial issues?
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No, because we try to be like Jesus.
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Very rarely did Jesus ever talk about morality or social issues.
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He was about the deeper things of the heart.
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And often people want to talk about behavior modification.
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Our church isn't about that.
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You can get behavior modification doing yoga or going to a karaoke thing.
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You can change a little bit about you.
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We're about soul transformation.
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So you start talking about some of the symptomatic stuff.
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That's not what we're about.
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We're about talking to people about their heart and their condition of their soul and
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some of that stuff outworks itself.
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But we're not trying to change anybody because we can't.
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So obviously that's very vapid.
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I mean, we have a stance on love and everything else is a conversation.
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Like good on Katie Kirk to be like, what in the world does that mean?
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Like that's that's great for a t-shirt.
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What does that mean in everyday life?
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And also, you know, he talks about Jesus only talked about, you know, he never really talked
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about behavioral issues or social issues.
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And that's something that a lot of people get wrong because they're like, Oh, you know,
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when Jesus was pushing back, he was pushing back against, you know, the Pharisees and
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Sadducees and all those different people.
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That was the culture of the day.
9:04
So when people were like, Oh, he wasn't pushing back against the government.
9:06
So you should, you know, get the jab and you should, you know, shut down your church because
9:09
the government said, so no, no, like to pretend like Jesus never talked about the culture and
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talked about individual morality is moronic.
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It's ridiculous.
9:18
So I remember seeing that and being like, okay, at the time, Katie Kirk's got this enormous
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show.
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This enormous platform.
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The pastor, this could be a good thing.
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That didn't really sound that great.
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And then he did an interview with Huffington Post and they do this whole like expose on
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him.
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And you know, he comes into their offices and they just did kind of the short video with
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him there.
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And so let's go to his interview with Huffington Post be patient with each person.
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What?
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I didn't even know that was in there.
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That's annoying.
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Everybody.
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I'm going to check some commentary to make sure that doesn't mean everybody be attentive
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to individual needs.
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That's interesting.
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That's cool.
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That's why some churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues.
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Well, my Bible says be attentive to individual needs.
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So I'm not going to make polarizing political statements about certain things in our Christian
10:04
community right now, no matter who says what, we won't be pressured into giving blanket
10:09
statements to individual needs.
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Never.
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Never.
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Speaking of diversity, you know, New York City, one thing that is polarizing to some communities,
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especially within religion is homosexuality and the debate around it.
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I mean, how do you balance those two things?
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I mean, are people of all sexual orientations welcome and how do you see that?
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Absolutely.
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I think what I was referring to there was, you know, some people would be like, you need
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to make that.
10:34
You need to answer our questions about the homosexuality issue.
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And I always say, I do.
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You just don't like my answers.
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And here's exactly what I mean by that.
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Some media wants us to use our pulpit to have a soapbox for social issues.
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I don't believe that's our job.
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I don't believe Jesus did that.
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You go look at what Jesus did.
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He was always talking about the heart of an individual and the soul of a person, not
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these symptomatic societal problems.
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And people hate that because a lot of churches are about what they're against.
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We're about what we're for.
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And when it comes to people's sexuality, I don't want to use a public forum to talk
11:11
about private things because how in the world can you have a dialogue?
11:14
How in the world can I hear your story?
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How in the world can someone have a question?
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So if I stand up in a pulpit and I just start railing at something or make a statement in
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a newspaper about something, I believe it's insensitive to the journey that people are
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walking on.
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And our church is going to protect people no matter where you're from, no matter what
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you carry, no matter what kind of orientation you feel like is your lane of life to run
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in.
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I want to have a conversation about it.
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We have a stance on love and we have conversations about everything else.
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So there he goes, there's his tagline, I guess, of the time we have a stance on love and then
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we, you know, basically to have conversations about everything else.
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But first of all, though, the weird thing is he's reading from the message.
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So if any of you know anything about translations, like that is one of the most ridiculous translations
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of the Bible whatsoever, like it's good, I guess, if you're a 10 year old girl, but
12:02
aside from that, for a grown man to be leading a church reading from the message is a little
12:05
bit concerning.
12:06
And then he uses that thing that a lot of people will say, which is one of the most annoying
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things that you can say, which is we want to be known for what we're for, not what we're
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against.
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Well, part of the way that you can know what you're for is to know what you are against
12:18
because when you pick aside on any issue, you're going to be for and against something, right?
12:23
So if you pick a favorite something, my favorite flavor of ice cream is cookies and cream ice
12:27
cream.
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That means you are for that versus the other choices.
12:30
So this idea that we want to be known for what we're for, not what we're against.
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Again, you look at it like, how do we know that evil exists?
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Well, because we know good exists and we have a moral law with which to differentiate between
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the two.
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Otherwise, you couldn't compare anything.
12:45
And again, he's got a very good opportunity there to talk about the homosexuality issue.
12:49
And you just won't do it because what they want him to say, you know, when he's talking
12:53
about these people, they want him to say, yes, homosexuality is a sin.
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It's a damnable sin.
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It's one of the sins I can send you to hell like all the other sins.
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But he doesn't want to say that because he wants to have a conversation.
13:02
And what he never tells anybody is like, okay, if I were sitting down with somebody at their
13:06
kitchen table, this is what I would say about the homosexuality issue.
13:09
If they were to bring it up, if they were to ask me about it, he never goes there.
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Okay.
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So that was Huffington Post.
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And so to kind of, you know, fix this whole woke triad, then he went on the view.
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Okay.
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So again, you should know my thoughts about the view at this point.
13:21
Like if you want some of the worst takes on any issue, whether political, cultural, social,
13:25
whatever, go to the view.
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I like it's astonishing to me that human beings with functioning brains watch that show and
13:30
think themselves.
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Yeah.
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These are a lot of great points.
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So this was Carl Lynch.
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I can't remember what year this was, but he went on the view and he got asked a very, very
13:37
direct question and just see how he handled it.
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Here we go.
13:40
It also is seen as a, this hip progressive church that's drawing huge millennial crowds,
13:47
but it's still evangelical.
13:49
So where do you stand on social issues that, that young people are particularly passionate
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about like gay marriage, abortion, like how do you address those types of things?
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So we're going to go right there.
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Yeah.
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I thought we'll go hard.
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And then we'll come down.
14:04
It's only an hour show.
14:05
Ready to ring that bell?
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I think our job is still to help people, not necessarily change how they think, but try
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to point them to what God has said, what we believe the Bible to say.
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And it's hard because I grew up in a church system and I know a lot of people here probably
14:21
understand where discussion and conversation is really limited.
14:25
So you get told a lot of views, but you can't work it out.
14:28
So we believe that the Bible is clear, that God is good, that God loves everybody, that
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Jesus was here to set people free.
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And that's still the good news of the gospel.
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Our fight in New York, for instance, is to try to make sure everybody can get in and
14:41
hear it because we've been told if you disagree, you are disconnected.
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And we don't believe that.
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We believe everybody deserves the right.
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Who told me that?
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I don't think anybody told me that.
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I think that's the cultural religious norm right now is if you and I disagree, we're
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done.
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And I don't believe it has to be the case.
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Yeah.
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Do you think you feel that the religious groups are putting that out?
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I do.
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Uh-huh.
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I think people right now are so caught up in this unity on every front, that it's also
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kind of invaded the church world.
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And what I love about our church is you have different races, different faces, different
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backgrounds, but people are committed to one cause and it makes sense.
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So it's not a sin in your church to have an abortion?
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That's kind of conversation.
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We would have finding out your story, where you're from, what you believe.
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Working through it.
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Like talking about things.
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Yeah.
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I mean, God's the judge.
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I mean, I mean, I don't have to tell you, um, that's such a, that's such a broad question
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to me.
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I'm going, I'm going higher.
15:39
I want to sit with somebody and say, where do you believe, um, not open and shut case
15:43
with you?
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Some people would say it is.
15:45
I, I think to me, I'm trying to teach people who Jesus is first, find out their story before
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I start picking and choosing what I think is sin in your life.
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I'd like to know your name.
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So at this point, that's when I realized that this guy was a snake.
15:58
This guy is an absolute snake.
16:00
Not only could he not answer direct questions, he kind of gave these mealy mouth, you know,
16:04
feel good responses.
16:05
He kind of had an applause line there when he's like, you know, God's a judge, you know,
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you need to kind of have your own morality.
16:10
Like those types of things.
16:11
And it's like, you know, some people would want it to be an open and shut case.
16:14
But again, he's asked directly about abortion being a sin in his church, which is a ridiculous
16:18
way to frame it, but but Joey Behar is a moron.
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And so it's like it's not a sin in a church versus not a sin in another church.
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It's either a sin or it's not a sin, right?
16:27
So we get back to that binary world that people don't like to live in.
16:30
But at this point, I was like, okay, this guy can't answer a simple question and stand
16:34
up for life.
16:35
Here he is in front of, you know, presumably millions of people that are watching this
16:39
show and the tens of millions that have seen the clips thereafter, and he had a great opportunity
16:43
to give a full-throated support of women that are pregnant that are wanting to have an abortion
16:50
or that have had abortions before to be able to make these women feel like, Hey, you're
16:55
not condemned by him, but what you did was sinful and murderous, right?
16:59
Like he could have done that because again, anytime you look at Jesus throughout the
17:02
gospels, he didn't ignore people's sin, right?
17:06
He dealt with their sin.
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He made sure they were aware of it.
17:09
But then he said, I am the way that you can be saved, right?
17:13
And so at this point, I'm like, okay, this guy friggin sucks.
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There was a website at the time that's now defunct.
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It doesn't exist anymore.
17:19
And you know, they'd asked me to write for them for a while and I was like, no, I don't
17:21
really want to do that.
17:22
And then after this view clip, I was like, okay, I'm going to write an article and I wrote
17:25
an article called Carl Lynch is the most dangerous passer in America.
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You can't find the article anymore.
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I searched for it again.
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The website's no longer there.
17:32
But I really detailed, Hey, at the time this guy has millions and millions and millions
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of followers on social media, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all those different things, millions
17:39
of people that are paying attention.
17:40
Obviously the bigger Hillsong United, the music group got the bigger, you know, Brian
17:45
Houston got down there in Australia and Carl Lynch got there in New York City.
17:50
And I remember saying this guy is very, very dangerous and he's mainly dangerous because
17:54
of the, the things that he's saying, they sound good.
17:57
They sound very therapeutic and very self-help and very awesome.
18:01
Not really gospel driven.
18:02
Like he's not really, you know, attaching himself to the gospel and he's not willing
18:05
to stand up on these issues that should be softball questions that he should be able
18:09
to answer in a full-throated and loving fashion.
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And they have so much attention coming towards him because he's a good looking guy.
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He's a smooth guy, smooth talk or all these different things.
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And like, that's the thing.
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I was like, this guy's very, very dangerous.
18:21
And then we saw a couple of years ago, he had a fall from grace.
18:23
So without getting into all the details because it's not really too terribly important for
18:27
the content that I'm trying to create today is he had an affair on his wife.
18:31
And I think he and his wife have a few kids.
18:33
So there was a woman that he had an affair with and it became public.
18:36
And she went on like, you know, daytime TV and talked about the affair and all these different
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things.
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And you know, he potentially used like church funds to kind of pay for some things within
18:44
the affair and all those different things.
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So he lost his place.
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He was fired from Hillsong, New York City.
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A lot of people cheered for that.
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It's like, you shouldn't be cheering for that.
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It's like, I could see that coming probably a mile away.
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But it's like, you shouldn't cheer for that.
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The amount of crap that his family had to go through to get on the other side, that was
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terrible.
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I actually just looked on Instagram because I didn't know anything had happened with him
19:00
in the last couple of years.
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In September of this year, so just a couple of months ago, he posted a picture of him
19:05
and his family saying, hey, we don't know what the next steps are, but you know, we've
19:07
gotten through this together.
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And so I'm glad to see that.
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I'm glad to see that his family is still intact that he and his wife have apparently worked
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through those issues or still in the process of working through those issues.
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And I'm certainly praying for Carl Lynch.
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Now I don't know that he needs to be a pastor again.
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Like, I certainly, especially if he has the same theology that he had, you know, a few
19:25
years ago, whenever he's still in the public eye, I don't know that that's something that
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Ea Christendom needs.
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But you know, for him, I hope that he has found a true redemption for what he's done.
19:33
I hope that his family is stronger than it ever has been.
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But in light of all that, I know they took a while to set that up there.
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You kind of have to ask yourself, is there somebody that's kind of taken up the mantle
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of a Carl Lynch, because obviously whenever there's a vacuum created, you know, the vacuum
19:47
is typically filled.
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But is there a new up and coming, super cool guy, dude, bro, slick style, smooth talking
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pastor out there that we should be worried about?
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Yes, there's actually several, but the one in particular that I'm going to be talking
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about today is a guy named guy Mason, guy Mason, okay?
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So he's a senior pastor of the Australian mega church city on a hill.
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And if that name sounds familiar and if you're a fan of this show, you've heard me talk about
20:11
this guy before, because I talked about him on episode 354 of this podcast because he went
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viral after this clip.
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The first and fundamental response to our humanity according to the Bible is that we'd
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marvel at the beauty of God's good design.
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Whether you are a man or a woman, whether you're a woman who feels like a man or a man who feels
20:40
like a woman, God says you're not an accident, you're not a product of society, you're made
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in the image of God, you're crowned with his glory.
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So in the end, for Christians, the question is not who does the world say I am?
21:00
The question is not who does society or some religious or political figures say I am?
21:05
In the end, the question is not even who do I say I am? The question is, who does God
21:10
say that I am?
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And God says you were loved.
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God says you're made by him and you were made for him.
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All good there.
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Again, you could probably quibble with some things that he said and the way he phrase
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it here or there.
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But for the most part, that's all good.
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But imagine again, this is the reason why I'm breaking this up.
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The things that he said to kind of set the stage for what he's about to say makes no
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sense at all, no sense at all.
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So let's go to what he says literally right after that.
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And this is where Christians can and must lean into the rights of those who identify
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as transgender.
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The Christian philosopher Edith Stein explains, "Whoever is near us and needing us must be
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our neighbor.
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The love of Christ knows no limits.
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It never ends."
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So if that means advocating for better health care and social support, if that means creating
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space for gender-inclusive bathrooms and policies that acknowledge a person's humanity and their
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inherent value, if that does mean thinking through complex questions around sport or
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the particular and unique struggles that the trans community face when it comes to health
22:28
care and domestic violence and homelessness, then we, as Christians, should be on the front
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line shining light and offering love because trans people are real people.
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They're not a political tool or an object for our debate.
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They're not a punchline in our comedy.
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They shouldn't be weaponized in our social commentary.
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These people are made in the image of God and a worthy of dignity, value, and respect.
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So we should lean into the rights of transgender people.
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Okay, so I'm going to do, on this episode, what I did back on episode 354 in case you
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missed it, I'm going to read exactly what I wrote when I posted this on our Instagram.
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And so as soon as I saw this clip, you know, I posted it onto our Instagram account because
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I never heard a guy mace and I never heard of City Only Hill Church, but this is exactly
23:22
my response that I gave on Instagram to that exact clip.
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Apparently you are unloving if you don't lean into the supposed rights of people who have
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a mental disorder that should be treated with counseling and prayer as opposed to scalpels
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and chemical castration pills.
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I would like for at Guy Mason to more fully explain what he means by quote, advocating
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for better health care and social support, unquote, for trans people.
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Does he mean that the taxpayers of Australia should pay for little girls to get fallow
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plasties, which is where they cut off healthy flesh off of their girls arms or thighs, then
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mold it into a penis like phallus and then sew it onto the little girl's crotch?
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Would he want us to advocate for more little boys to be put on puberty blockers, which
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will open them up to a myriad of terrible physical and psychological health issues for
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the rest of their lives?
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Most of which aren't even they most of which we aren't even aware of yet.
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Would we want us would he want us to march arm in arm as we demand that hospitals and
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doctors chop the healthy breast tissue off of female children as we simultaneously tell
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them, don't worry, even if you change your mind later, you can just get a boob job.
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This is the type of preaching and pastor that you get when you place the Bible and a Judeo
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Christian ethic downstream of what the culture tells you is acceptable and loving.
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While this guy's busy trying to make leftist and LGBTQ plus advocates comfortable and
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happy, he is simultaneously confusing his flock.
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The same flock that will have to he will have to give an account to God for when he dies
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of how he shepherded them while they were under his care.
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So at that point, I was like, okay, this is a clip that just popped up.
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This guy kind of is doing his own thing.
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It just kind of is what it is.
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I kind of forgot about him after that.
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I didn't really hear much about guy Mason.
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I wasn't following him.
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You know, I tagged him in my post and all that.
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I would have loved her for him to respond because I would have had him on the show and
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we would have to this out and try to see if we can come to some common ground and make
25:06
sure that he was describing things in a way that was accurate.
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But that was until about a week ago, okay, where he went viral again.
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Now he mainly went viral in Australia because it was a big thing that happened in Australia.
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But you know, it certainly came around all the way around the world and hit me again.
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And he went viral again for being a just basically a coward and getting his butt handed to him
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on live TV in Australia.
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So to set the scene, this was an interview between guy Mason and a guy named David.
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I think he says the last name is coke, David coke or they call him coke or something like
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that.
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I can't remember.
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But it's on Sunrise TV show on seven news in Australia.
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Okay.
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So the only thing for this is the Essiden bombers.
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So this is an AFL team.
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So that's the Australian Football League.
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They hired a guy named Andrew Thornburn to be their new CEO guys and by the way, if you
25:51
haven't watched Aussie rules football or footy as they call down there, it's freaking awesome.
25:55
Like I'm a gold coast Eagles fan, okay, because I spent some time in birth.
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But it's awesome.
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You should check it out.
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But Andrew Thornburn again, he was named CEO about two days later, like not even two
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days later, he was forced to step down when it was revealed that he holds to basic Christian
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doctrine on topics such as homosexuality and abortion and that he was chairman of the city
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on a Hill church.
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That's the one where guy Mason is a senior pastor.
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And so specifically in all the stuff that, you know, went all around the country there
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in Australia, there were quotes from some of guy Mason's past sermons that were brought
26:29
up whenever he spoke specifically about the topic of abortion.
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And so here are some of those controversial statements that guy Mason made, you know, a
26:37
while back.
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And so here's some of those here, whereas today we look back in sadness and discussed
26:42
over concentration camps, future generations will look back with sadness at the legal murder
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of hundreds of thousands of human beings every day through medicine and in the name of freedom.
26:51
And another quote from another sermon was this, we, what we ought to do is extend love, care,
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hope and healing to those who have not aborted their baby.
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At which point I would say, yeah, cosign, I'm going to cosign both of those things.
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Absolutely.
27:05
But those two statements specifically were brought up to basically force this Andrew Thornburn
27:09
guy out.
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They basically gave him an ultimatum.
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Hey, it's either your faith in, you know, this, this churchy stuff that you're doing,
27:16
or you can be the CEO of the Essendon bombers.
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Okay.
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And so just as a quick side note here, why should we care what the people that run our
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favorite sports teams think or believe?
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Because again, this was a national issue in Australia.
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This was talked about in all the papers for a very long time.
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This was, this was like a huge deal.
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Well, why should we care?
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Like if you're a fan of a sports team, shouldn't your primary concern for the people running
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that sports team is that that they're focused on winning and they're going to do what it
27:44
takes to win?
27:45
Because I got to be honest, of all the sports teams out there, I'm the, I'm a St. Louis
27:48
Cardinals fan above everything else.
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Okay.
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John Naseylak, who's the president of baseball operations, I don't care what he thinks in
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his personal life.
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I don't care what he thinks is moral, not moral, like a Bill DeWitt Jr, who's the owner of
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the team.
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I really don't care what, what he thinks in terms of the St. Louis Cardinals.
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I don't care what those guys think.
28:05
In terms of the St. Louis Cardinals, I want those men to do everything they can to make
28:10
sure that the Cardinals win the last game of the season because that's the whole point
28:14
to Major League Baseball.
28:15
That's how you win the World Series is by winning the last game on the calendar for the entire
28:19
league.
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Okay.
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That's all I care about.
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So this wondering whether or not, you know, the CEO of your favorite footy team is doing
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things that are in accordance with what you believe and you think who freaking cares.
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Is that where we're going now?
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Society?
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Okay.
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It's just kind of crazy here, but I do want to go ahead and go to this interview.
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And so we're going to break down this interview because this is going to give us a very deep
28:39
look at some of the things that Guy Mason thinks and believes.
28:43
But just if you're, if you're not watching it, because this is going to be audio only
28:46
because we don't have the rights to that video or whatever.
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So if you're watching this on rumble or YouTube or something like that, I'll put the actual
28:51
link in the show notes.
28:52
Don't check it out for yourself, but I would encourage you to go and watch it because it's
28:56
like, man, like his, his mannerisms are kind of weird and I just don't know, like, was
28:59
something wrong with him that morning, but let's start from the beginning of this clip.
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All right.
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It is the resignation that's divided the nation.
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New Essendon Chief Executive Andrew Thorburn stepped down after just 30 hours in the job
29:12
after being asked to choose between his faith and footy.
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Mr. Thorburn is the chair of a church group and Essendon deemed its views to be at odds
29:22
with the club's values.
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It's prompted an uncomfortable question for the client, for the entire country about religion
29:28
versus work and whether being forced to choose amounts to discrimination.
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Joining me now, Guy Mason, who's the senior pastor of the church group in question city
29:38
on a hill.
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Welcome to you.
29:40
Good to see you.
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You know, Andrew Thorburn personally is the chair of your board.
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And his personal views align with your hard-line views of the church on abortion and homosexuality.
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I know Andrew to be a great man.
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He's a man of integrity, generosity, warmth, and he's a man of faith.
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And I admire that in him.
30:04
It shapes who he is, and he loves his faith.
30:06
He loves his footy.
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And I hope we could live in a world where we can express our faith and we can do that and
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celebrate that.
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So it's not going to be shocked to realize that he doesn't really answer the question,
30:19
but okay, you know, it's the first question again, when you're doing an interview like
30:22
this, like sometimes it's hard to kind of go full bore from the very, very beginning.
30:25
So I'll give him a little bit of a pass.
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It's your first question.
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It's the first time that your mouth's open, you know, like, okay, but let's keep going.
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But his views align with the churches on abortion and the homosexuality.
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Well, the Christian view is one of life and it's one of love.
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That's what we stand for.
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That's what we want to proclaim, that Jesus is all about life and he's all about love.
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And I'm sure that Andrew would agree with that.
30:52
You need to ask him his views, but...
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No, no, he hasn't given his views.
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You know him well.
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He would be chairman of your board unless he shared exactly the same views that the church
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does.
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Well, what's at the heart of our church is a passion to know Jesus and make Jesus known.
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We seek to shine that light, love people, serve people, build communities, plan...
31:15
But comparing abortion to the Holocaust and homosexuality of sin is not love.
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It's not inclusion.
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There are so many other churches that are tolerant, are inclusive.
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You all read the same book, why do you have this hard line and not so loving view?
31:35
So you see what the host is doing there.
31:37
You can obviously tell that the host is not a Christian.
31:39
There's so many other churches out there that are loving and tolerant, unlike you guys.
31:43
But what he's saying is they're loving and tolerant, which is to say that they're not
31:47
holding to biblical Christian values, right?
31:51
But what's happening right now is the host is defining what love is tolerant and love
31:55
and tolerance is, okay?
31:57
So he's obviously the host and he's a very strong personality.
31:59
You can tell that and from the very beginning, Guy Mason has kind of been on his heels.
32:03
And you can see him trying to recover, trying to pull himself back, but the host is just
32:07
to find what love and tolerances.
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So this would be a great time for Guy Mason to lovingly set him straight.
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So let's see if he does that.
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Well, we're talking about a quote was from probably 10 years ago.
32:20
So real quick, this is a big time bugaboo for me because I hate when people do the, you
32:26
know, it was a quote from a long time ago thing because here's the thing is the timing
32:29
of the quote is not important at all.
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Whether or not the person still believes what they said to be true is important, okay?
32:36
So it's like, if you're like, Oh, yeah, you know, I don't really believe in that anymore.
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Okay, that's the point.
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So it doesn't matter.
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He's trying to like make it nicer and easier when he's talking about his own sermon content.
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He's like, Oh, you know, that was from like almost a decade ago or something like that.
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But it's like, does that matter?
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Like do you still believe those things?
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I don't care if you would say it differently.
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Do you still believe that?
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So I hate when people do that.
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So don't say that because actually, you know, makes your own argument weaker when you're
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like, Oh, yeah, I said that a whole long time ago.
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So let's get back into the clip here.
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And the intention was not to be inflammatory, the words were wrong.
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I'd use different words today.
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The essence of the message though was that Jesus is all about life.
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We're inclusive.
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We're not homophobic.
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We're for life.
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And we're for love.
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You're not homophobic.
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No.
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You say homosexuality is a sin.
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Well, we the Bible holds up marriage as a gift from God for one man, one woman.
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Yes.
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That's a mainstream Christian view.
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I'm an angry person.
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But it wasn't even discussing homosexuality.
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It's a 2,000 year old document.
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Come on.
33:32
It's a different era.
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So many other churches are loving and read it completely differently to you.
33:40
So again, the host is giving him a golden opportunity to take over this discussion, define the
33:45
terms correctly and to argue from a full-throated Christian perspective.
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But to go back to the beginning, whenever he's like, yeah, you know, my words were wrong.
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Again, I'm going to go back and actually read the words that were so controversial.
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Here are the words.
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These are from two separate sermons, whereas today we look back in sadness and discuss over
33:58
concentration camps, future generations will look back with sadness at the legal murder
34:02
of hundreds of thousands of human beings every day through medicine in the name of freedom.
34:06
Again, this is in Australia, so they don't have quite the same abortion numbers as we
34:09
have here.
34:10
And then the other sermon said this, what we ought to do is extend love, care, hope, and
34:13
healing to those who have not aborted their baby.
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So he's going back and saying, like, those words were wrong.
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What about those words were wrong?
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Was it a little rough?
34:25
Would some people maybe get a little bit offended?
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Well, yeah, like sin is very offensive, especially to God.
34:31
If you think about it that way, but again, this host is basically like, wait, you're
34:35
not homophobic.
34:36
He's going into the homophobic thing and the guy just immediately goes, no, I'm a homophobic.
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It's like, that'd be a great time to ask him.
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What do you mean by homophobic?
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If I homophobic, do you mean that we, we go to the biblical morality of one man and one
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woman?
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Where do we even get the definition of marriage?
34:51
Where's the first time in written human history that we see two people coming together and
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joining in a union, right?
34:58
We see that in Genesis, okay, but, but again, he's, he's getting another opportunity here.
35:03
He's getting another opportunity.
35:05
This host is giving him every opportunity in the world.
35:07
He's not really interrupting him, like he's giving him a chance to talk.
35:09
So he's not doing the whole Bill O'Reilly thing.
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And so it's just like, man, take the ball and run with it.
35:14
Let's go.
35:15
Let's go back to the clip here.
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Well, we're a very diverse community.
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We are about love.
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Our community is made up of all kinds of people of different nationalities, different backgrounds,
35:25
different sexual orientations.
35:27
But you, but you start to send different sexual orientations that anyone in your community
35:34
that has a different sexual orientation, you say, you're going to go to hell.
35:38
Well, the point of the Bible is that we're all sinners.
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I'm a sinner, right?
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We're all sinners.
35:43
The good news of the gospel is that Jesus came to have a battle of the Bible is sure.
35:49
So I literally just got there saying he's not interrupting him.
35:51
He interrupted him several times in that clip, but the thing I want to point out here is he's
35:56
trying to corner him.
35:57
The host is trying to corner Guy Mason on the homosexuality issue.
36:00
Guy doesn't give a full-throated support saying that homosexuality is in itself a sin.
36:05
And then when the host says, ah, well, I don't really want to debate the Bible with you,
36:07
he goes, okay, sure.
36:08
He actually said, sure, yeah, sure, I don't have to keep going, but I'm sorry, because
36:15
Guy Mason was in the process of sharing the Bible with this guy, which is a great thing.
36:19
And the host just kind of interrupts and says, ah, we're not going to go there.
36:22
And he just stops sharing the Bible, stops sharing the gospel with this guy, really?
36:27
Is that all it takes for some TV show host with a microphone on his lapel in a tie like
36:33
to just wave his hand and be like, ah, I don't want to talk about that.
36:35
He's like, okay.
36:36
I guess not.
36:37
I guess we don't have to talk about that.
36:38
Let's go back to the clip here.
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But if that was the case, why did Andrew Thorburn apply for the job when he knew the
36:48
values of the SNM football club were completely different to the values of his church and
36:53
his faith?
36:55
Andrew's a man of integrity.
36:56
He's a great leader.
36:57
And he is demonstrated.
36:58
Well, he's sure he's applied then.
37:00
Well, he's demonstrated through his life his ability to lead in a very diverse organization
37:06
and to manage and lead well in that climate.
37:10
And I think he's done that previously.
37:12
His record shows.
37:13
And he would have done a great job in this role.
37:15
Right.
37:16
Then the pride round comes up with AFLW in a couple of weeks.
37:20
How could he have honestly stood there and encouraged the sentiment around pride round
37:29
because it would go completely against your views and beliefs and completely against his?
37:35
Well, a footy club is about loving the game and loving the jumper.
37:39
And it's a bringing together of people of all different walks of life and loving the
37:43
community.
37:44
And loving the community.
37:45
And loving the community.
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And loving the community from your job.
37:47
Yeah.
37:48
That's right.
37:49
Well, the community's made up of different people.
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And the key point here, the principal here, is we need to be diverse and be inclusive.
37:55
Yeah.
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Jesus, champion diversity.
37:57
You're champion inclusivity.
37:58
But shouldn't you be more inclusive?
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We are.
38:00
We're very...
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Are you not?
38:02
You're just saying, you're comparing abortion to the Holocaust.
38:05
You're saying...
38:06
If you're gay, you're going to go to hell.
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That's not really being inclusive and loving.
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To be fair, I didn't say that.
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Well, words to that effect.
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It's on your church website, Tony.
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No, I did not say those words.
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I said that Jesus offers life and love to all people.
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That invitation goes to everybody.
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And we open the doors and we have people within our church of different backgrounds, different
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sexual orientations.
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I have good friends who are Christians who are same-sex attracted, who love Jesus and
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have found life in him.
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Okay.
38:36
So that got a little bit contentious there.
38:38
A guy, Mason, showed a little bit of backbone and said, "Hey, man, I didn't say that."
38:42
But in reality, the host was right.
38:43
It's like, "Well, you essentially said that.
38:45
You may not have said it in those words in that particular order, in that particular cadence,
38:49
but that is what you said."
38:50
And again, there's another opportunity to stand up and define what tolerance and love
38:54
actually is.
38:56
Because the host is trying to say, "Well, you can't be loving and tell someone they're
38:59
being sinful."
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I mean, and again, to be fair, there are Christians today that would say the same thing, "That
39:04
I owe if you point out somebody's sin, that's church hurt, oh, you know, we can't have that,
39:08
you can't point out somebody's sin because that's a major problem, right?
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You're going against my nature and if God made me, then he made me by this nature, so
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it couldn't be wrong.
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There's nothing in my nature as a sinner that could be even sinful.
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What are you talking about?"
39:21
So we'll just go to the last part of the clip here.
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It's about 20 or 30 seconds.
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Even the most conservative bloke, I think I know Peter Dutton calls your views an abomination.
39:31
Well, again, quoting a snippet of a sermon from nine years ago, which as I just said,
39:37
I would not use today, I would phrase things very differently, but again, he would, as
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I would, stand by the message of the Bible that Jesus is for life, and I stand by that.
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Okay.
39:50
Guy Mason, thanks for joining us.
39:51
Thank you.
39:52
Appreciate your time.
39:53
So then he takes one more opportunity to basically say, "I wouldn't say these horrible, terrible
39:57
words basically comparing the slaughter of innocent children in the womb to the Holocaust."
40:01
Which is there, again, the Holocaust and, you know, Nazi Germany is used in way too many
40:05
people's comparisons, but what more apt comparison is there currently in humanity than millions
40:11
and millions, tens of millions of babies every year across the world, innocent human beings
40:15
being slaughtered in the womb, but he, oh, I would have phrased it differently again.
40:20
So as I tell people when I get people advice and if they're doing interviews or podcasts
40:24
or all that, it's like when you finish your answer, like, finish with a thump, you know,
40:28
don't finish with a thump, finish with a thump, let the host know that you're done with your
40:31
answer like you're ready to go, you're ready to move on because that's, you know, where
40:34
it becomes a lot more quotable and you just kind of like just kind of into with a thud.
40:38
So you got smacked around by this guy.
40:40
Now, yeah, I'm not advocating for Guy Mason or any of you guys to go out there and start
40:43
yelling with some host.
40:45
And again, most of you are not going to get an opportunity to do a five-minute interview
40:48
with somebody on a nationally televised, you know, news station or something like that.
40:51
But at the same time, we have to be ready for these opportunities to be like, wait a
40:54
minute, wait a minute.
40:55
I'm not going to let you frame truth incorrectly because if we don't define our terms, if we
41:01
don't frame this conversation accurately, then it's not going to be productive no matter
41:05
what we say.
41:06
Okay.
41:07
So again, he goes viral again and, you know, here's this guy, when you pop back up on my
41:10
newsfeed, I'm like, my goodness, is this guy just constantly stepping on his own?
41:14
You know what?
41:15
Like, I mean, come on.
41:17
And then I see that on November the 6th because I, you know, follow it on on my Apple podcast
41:22
or whatever.
41:23
I see that guy Mason was asked to come and speak as the guest speaker on Sunday morning
41:28
at, wait for it, the village church in Texas.
41:32
That's Matt Chandler's church.
41:34
Okay.
41:35
Now, apparently guy Mason has spoken there before and I may have missed it.
41:37
So I didn't really know that he had spoken there, but you know, three, four years ago.
41:40
And I watched a sermon that he gave on November the 6th.
41:42
I mean, it was fine.
41:43
There's nothing to write home about, but nothing, you know, on the crazy woke spectrum,
41:46
particularly.
41:47
But in light of that initial clip that he went, you know, viral for on the train stuff,
41:52
in light of the new seven interview that he did in Australia where he just got smoked,
41:56
and then in light of him speaking at the village being invited to come and speak, it begs two
42:00
really, really big questions as we're looking at and framing guy, Mason.
42:04
Okay.
42:05
The first one is this.
42:06
What in the world is the village church doing?
42:10
What in the world is the leadership of that church doing?
42:13
Okay.
42:14
So if you're familiar with this, and I think I'll talk about this a little bit, Matt Chandler
42:17
is on forced sabbatical right now.
42:19
We don't know when he's going to come back.
42:20
We know he's coming back.
42:21
We don't know when.
42:22
Okay.
42:23
And the line from him and the line from TVC, they just call themselves TVC, the village
42:27
church, TVC.
42:28
It still doesn't make any sense.
42:30
Okay.
42:31
As to why he was forced into this, you know, sabbatical this time away, because there are
42:34
only two ways to perceive the statements on this issue.
42:37
And so just so everybody knows that if you're not familiar with it, he was trading DM's with
42:42
a girl or not a girl with a woman online.
42:45
And apparently the woman's husband was aware of it.
42:48
And Matt Chandler's wife was aware of it.
42:51
And these DM's were not sexual in nature or anything like that.
42:53
But I think it was just joking.
42:54
I think it may have been like political joking back and forth.
42:58
Nothing that would be deemed inappropriate.
43:00
And TVC, the leadership there decided Matt Chandler's got to step away for a little bit
43:03
because this shows unhealth.
43:05
They never use the word sin and Matt Chandler never used the word sin, but they've called
43:08
it unhealth.
43:09
Okay.
43:10
So that's the line from him and TVC.
43:11
Okay.
43:12
It still doesn't make sense.
43:13
But there's really only two ways to perceive their statements on the issues with Chandler.
43:16
Number one, is there deliberately withholding accurate details which would make Chandler
43:21
look worse?
43:22
Or number two, they're telling the whole truth and they super duper mega overreacted by
43:28
removing him from his duties, albeit temporarily.
43:31
There's really not another way to read this situation.
43:34
Because again, you're either only giving us the amount of truth that was already in the
43:38
public eye or you're telling us a whole truth and you just went way out over your skis by
43:42
taking the guy out of the pulpit because that's going to define him potentially for the rest
43:45
of his career as a pastor.
43:47
Okay.
43:48
But in the interim period, the people over there at TVC, you know, while they're the
43:52
peace-mealing Sunday mornings together with elders speaking and some guest speakers here
43:56
and there at that are from outside of TVC, you decide to bring in Guy Mason.
44:03
The guy who, if anybody knows him, they know him from getting smacked around on television
44:09
for not standing up for a biblical sexual ethic.
44:13
And in the guy that basically said, we need to lean in a transgender rights as opposed
44:17
to leaning into the truth of scripture.
44:19
That's the guy you decide to bring in.
44:22
What was the best case scenario?
44:24
Again, the sermon was fine.
44:25
You can go listen to it.
44:26
There's nothing crazy there.
44:27
But again, Matt Chandler sends non-sexual DMs to a woman that is not his wife.
44:31
At least that's what we're being told.
44:33
Can't preach.
44:34
Can't preach.
44:35
Get him out of the pulpit.
44:36
But Guy Mason says that we should lean into the rights of trans people and he apparently
44:39
is incapable of defending biblical positions against murder and homosexuality while being
44:43
interviewed on live television.
44:44
Hey, let's bring him in.
44:45
Let's have him be our guest speaker.
44:46
Hey, you know, why don't you just have him replace Matt Chandler?
44:49
Have him take over TVC.
44:52
And so that's the first question of begs is when the world is TVC?
44:55
What is the village church doing?
44:56
And the second question is when the world is Acts 29 doing?
45:01
That's the Acts 29 network.
45:02
A lot of you guys are familiar with that.
45:03
That is a Protestant, you know, Calvinist reform, church planning network.
45:06
Well, City on a Hill is part of Acts 29 and obviously the village churches because Matt
45:12
Chandler is the president and that is a good thing for a lot of people to where they can
45:16
just go.
45:17
Okay.
45:18
I just moved to a new community.
45:19
I don't know any of these churches.
45:20
There's tons of them around.
45:21
Which one are the Acts 29 churches because you kind of have a good idea and my understanding
45:25
is that in order to be an Acts 29 network church, you have to go through a lot of rigor
45:29
to kind of, you know, say that, Hey, this is what we define as our, as our doctrine
45:33
as a church.
45:34
This is what we're going to do moving forward with discipleship.
45:36
Like my understanding is that it's very, very rigorous.
45:39
Why was there not any, any, any time guy Mason goes out and says these things, why is there
45:45
not some sort of like action from Acts 29?
45:48
Because I didn't see, I looked for it.
45:50
I didn't see a, a definition of the things that he said, you know, the things that he
45:54
was spouting about transgenderism and some of the things that they say.
45:56
I didn't see Acts 29 come out and say, yeah, these are, these are abhorrent views.
46:00
We don't cosign these views at all that they weren't the disciplined at all any of those
46:04
types of things.
46:05
And again, it may seem like cherry picking because this guy has, you know, over decades
46:08
worth of sermons out there and there, there hasn't been a whole lot of craziness about
46:11
it.
46:12
But it's like you thought there would be some heft to this pastor that is kind of the new
46:16
darling of Acts 29.
46:19
And that's, I guess where, where we kind of come to here because it's taken me a while
46:23
to get there.
46:24
And we have Carl Lentz as a very dangerous guy and he's dangerous because of how good
46:28
he is at speaking, how well he presents himself and who he hangs out with.
46:32
And when he was elevated by Hillsong to be the next big thing, what kind of seems like
46:36
we're in the early stages of acts 29 or whatever, elevating this guy, Mason guy as the next
46:43
big thing.
46:44
And again, he's Australian.
46:45
So he's kind of got the accent thing going on.
46:47
It's good looking young guy and like all those different things.
46:49
He's got the big church and several locations and he's doing the whole mega church spread
46:52
the thing.
46:53
Man, so what do we need to do with guy Mason?
46:58
And there's three very, very quick things that I'm going to get to before we get to
47:00
the quick hitters.
47:01
The first thing is we need to keep a very close eye on him because he's not Carl Lentz
47:06
yet.
47:07
He, he's not the big time guy.
47:08
He doesn't have millions and millions and millions of followers yet.
47:10
He hasn't written that bestseller any of those types of things, but we need to keep a very,
47:13
very close eye on him.
47:15
Okay.
47:16
He's a guy to watch for sure.
47:17
The second thing is we need to hold him to account.
47:19
And I say, we, I know we have some listeners down here in Australia.
47:21
If you go to his church and he starts spouting these a biblical nonsense theories that are
47:27
outside of the Judeo-Christian ethic and, you know, accepted Christian doctrine, you need
47:31
to call them out.
47:33
So many people are so afraid of calling out their pastor and you know, you can call out
47:37
somebody by just asking questions.
47:39
You can set up a meeting which, you know, at a mega church, I don't like that.
47:42
I don't know that you could actually get a meeting with a guy like I Mason, but let's
47:44
just say that you could, right, that you go there, you get a meeting with him.
47:48
You know how to just start screaming at him.
47:50
Just ask him questions.
47:51
Hey, you said this during the sermon.
47:53
This is my understanding of what the Bible means when it comes to transgenderism, how
47:57
they were made, made male and female, and I don't think that we should, you know, acquiesce
48:00
to people's mental illnesses.
48:01
Can you please help me understand?
48:03
Because you might get a great answer.
48:04
You might not, but you give them the opportunity, but that's one way that you hold them to account.
48:09
Like, hey, you're not just going to go unchecked there up at the pulpit.
48:12
Because again, as, you know, I've kind of changed my, my tune on this a bit just because
48:15
the church is big does not mean it's unhealthy.
48:18
But when a church is that big, the, the potential for unhealth is very, very apparent.
48:23
And the, the ramifications of that and the tidal way that it could create and the wake
48:27
behind it could be a major, major issue.
48:30
And so for a guy like that, that is that impactful in Australia and it's having that
48:34
big of an impact and it's planning that many churches, he's got to be held to account.
48:39
And the last thing here is we need to pray that he and acts 29 leaves this whole woke
48:46
stuff behind because again, Guy Mason is leaning into a lot of the woke stuff in culture and
48:52
he's leaning into it, especially by saying, you know, oh, you know, those words that I
48:56
said 10 years ago, I wouldn't say them like that now.
48:58
Why not?
49:00
What exactly is wrong with telling people that when you kill millions and millions and millions
49:05
of innocent children, that that's a bad thing.
49:09
Like how exactly would he reword it?
49:11
Like, I don't understand that the mealy mouth response.
49:14
I just don't get it.
49:16
But for a guy like I Mason, you should not be praying for him to fall.
49:19
I remember people, you know, you shoot Houdin in a hollering whenever Carl Lynch was, was
49:22
found out to be a cheater and they cheated on his wife and all those different things.
49:25
I was heartbroken for him and his family.
49:27
Well, not for him.
49:28
I was heartbroken for his family.
49:29
Like he's a dope and he made the horrible decision like it's his fault, right?
49:33
But man, I wasn't happy about that.
49:36
Like would I've wished that he would have had a big ministry and that he would have
49:40
good theology wouldn't have been leading people towards this kind of therapeutic version of
49:43
Christianity?
49:44
Like, yeah, certainly.
49:45
But I wasn't rooting for a guy like that to fail to refer him to potentially ruin his
49:49
entire family tree and you shouldn't want that for guy Mason either.
49:53
We should just want him to hold to traditional biblical doctrine and have the stones to stand
49:59
up to people that are saying things that are bad like, Oh, well, you know, you're saying
50:04
homosexuality is a sin and abortion is a sin.
50:06
That's not very loving or tolerant.
50:08
You're telling me you've been a pastor for over a decade and you don't know how to respond
50:11
to that question, which is a good reminder for all of you guys is that there are going
50:15
to be times where you have the opportunity to stand up against people that are claiming
50:19
things about you and claiming things about what you believe.
50:22
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50:25
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50:56
All right, guys, let's get to the quick hitters here.
50:58
The first one, Trump announcing he's running for president again in 2024.
51:02
So this is according to Fox News, former president Donald Trump announced that he is running
51:05
for the 2024 Republican nomination for president, seeking to stage a dramatic return to the
51:10
White House after having lost his bid for reelection to Joe Biden in 2020.
51:14
Trump, a Republican and the leader of the make America a great again movement, announced
51:18
his third presidential bid on Tuesday.
51:20
That's November the 15th during a speech at his Mar-a-Lago Florida home after having teased
51:23
a bid since leaving office in 2021, quote, in order to make America great and glorious
51:29
again, I am tonight announcing my candidacy for the president of the United States.
51:32
On quote, Trump said Tuesday evening to a crowd of supporters, I probably shouldn't have said
51:35
quote, unquote, it is what it is.
51:36
So there you go.
51:37
So I got some quick thoughts here on this.
51:40
We knew this was coming.
51:41
We absolutely knew this was coming.
51:42
He didn't have to tease it.
51:43
We knew he was going to do it.
51:44
Another quick thought is it's crazy early.
51:46
I mean, I don't know of another time, certainly not in modern politics where somebody announced
51:51
this early, especially a former president to announce this early.
51:55
And another quick thought is just he certainly lost a lot of shine that he had, you know,
51:59
because he had quite a bit of shine, especially from conservatives that didn't initially support
52:02
him that ended up supporting him like me.
52:04
But that shine was in 2016 to 2019 and that's all seemingly gone.
52:08
Nobody is undefined in their views on Donald Trump.
52:11
And again, he lost an election to Joe Biden before January 6 and whatever you think about
52:15
January 6, that is a major negative for a lot of voters, including independents and including
52:19
Republicans.
52:20
So my big takeaway on this is goodness gracious, this is going to be exhausting.
52:25
Two years of Trump on the campaign trail.
52:28
Two years of him attacking his opponents, two years of trying to figure out what he's
52:32
going to say or do next, it's going to be absolutely and completely exhausting.
52:38
And I'll say this, as I've said it other times as well, if he wins the Republican nomination,
52:42
I will vote for him for president, obviously, but I think there are certainly better views
52:47
and better people out there.
52:48
I've talked about Ron DeSantis a lot.
52:50
I mean, even Mike Pence, you know, I had, you know, one of my buddies that listens to show
52:52
quite a bit.
52:53
He sent me some stuff.
52:54
He's like, man, Mike Pence is, he's a solid guy.
52:56
And when you listen to him talk, when you listen to his interviews, he is, he seems like
52:59
a gen genuinely decent human being, a decent man.
53:03
But I just don't know that we can have a decent man in the White House anymore.
53:06
Like I would like to say that we could, but we need that fighter.
53:09
We need that person.
53:10
I can go off and do all the different things.
53:11
And so, and again, regardless of what Mike Pence does, he's always going to be inextricably
53:14
tied to Donald Trump into that administration, regardless of what he tries to do.
53:18
But in the early polling, he's running third, you know, well behind Ron DeSantis and well,
53:22
well, well behind Donald Trump.
53:23
So we'll see how that goes.
53:24
Our next quick hitter here, Elon Musk reinstating a spate of ban Twitter accounts.
53:28
So first and most importantly, there were a lot of ones that were reinstated.
53:31
We're only going to talk about a few of them.
53:32
The Babylon Bee.
53:33
Okay.
53:34
So that is the Christian conservative satirical website or whatever.
53:37
Obviously, most of you guys know them and your fans and them.
53:39
So they're pretty much the reason why Elon Musk bought Twitter, bought Twitter to begin
53:43
with because he, you know, really liked them and he was sharing a lot of their stuff, went
53:46
on their podcast.
53:47
And then whenever they were banned earlier this year, that kind of got Don or got Elon
53:52
Musk's attention because a tweet that got the Babylon Bee banned on March the 20th of
53:56
this year said the Babylon Bee's man of the year is Rachel Levine.
54:00
So obviously there's a picture of Rachel Levine.
54:02
So that is the dude that works for United States government works in the Biden administration.
54:05
So they're just being funny.
54:06
Like obviously this is super duper a man that just has long hair and wears dresses.
54:10
And you know, he's the man of the year and that's what got them banned.
54:13
And they refused, you know, Twitter basically said, if you take down the tweet, we'll let
54:16
you have your account back.
54:17
And they said, Nope, we're not doing that said Dylan went on Joe Rogan experience a couple
54:20
months back to kind of talk about that.
54:22
But in their first tweet back after being reinstated by Elon Musk, it said, we're back.
54:26
Let that sink in.
54:28
So that was actually an ode to the first day that Elon Musk went to the Twitter headquarters.
54:32
He walked in with a sink and he said, I'm, you know, he basically said, I'm the new owner.
54:37
Let that sink in.
54:38
So it's kind of funny because he's got a sink and he's walking in.
54:41
Let that sink in.
54:42
And so that was actually a really, really funny tweet by them if you got the joke.
54:45
But then another prominent reinstatement was Jordan Peterson.
54:47
So the tweet that got him banned on June the 22nd of this year, it said, quote, remember
54:51
when pride was a sin and Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.
54:56
So he's responding to Ellen Page, who is now we're supposed to call Elliot Page because
55:01
we're supposed to pretend that Ellen Page is now a man.
55:03
And so he put that out there.
55:05
He was banned.
55:06
Obviously he responded in a very, very over over the top ways, basically saying, Hey, you
55:11
can go, you can go pound sand.
55:12
He was reinstated.
55:13
And his first tweet back was this.
55:14
I'm back.
55:15
At Elon Musk, and then the picture that he posted with that was the, here's Johnny picture
55:19
of Jack Nicholson from the shining, but obviously the biggest of all the reinstatements was,
55:24
of course, former president Donald Trump.
55:27
He was banned after the January 6th riots, even though even on the platform, his last
55:30
two tweets, he's like, please, no violence, all those different things.
55:33
But the reality of where we're at right now is I don't really see Donald Trump coming
55:37
back to Twitter.
55:39
And the reason is because he's got a lot of money and a lot of time and effort put into
55:42
true social.
55:43
So I'm not on true social, some of you guys maybe are, but that's the, you know, social
55:47
media thing that he kind of posted out there.
55:49
My understanding is there's only conservatives on it.
55:51
So there's not like a discourse going on there.
55:53
It's just basically where conservatives kind of go and hang out.
55:55
It's what Parler was.
55:56
It's what some of these other ones have been.
55:58
But if he comes back to Twitter, he's basically admitting like, yeah, I'm getting probably
56:03
like 50 times more attention from people on Twitter, as opposed to true social.
56:08
It's going to be kind of, it's going to go against him in terms of some of the investment
56:11
that he's made, so we'll kind of have to see what, what that looks like, but it wouldn't
56:14
surprise me if he never came back to Twitter.
56:16
But my big takeaway on this is that Elon Musk is doing a lot of things right, at least
56:21
here initially.
56:22
Again, everyone's kind of like couching everything he's doing in the most negative light possible.
56:25
And you know, how could he be the best businessman ever and then run this business so poorly.
56:29
But it seems like he's doing a lot of things right.
56:31
But the jury is still out on the long term goodness or badness of his takeover of Twitter.
56:36
Because again, this guy is still leftist.
56:38
This guy is, you know, environmentalist.
56:39
All those different things, even if he's doing things that you like again, call balls and
56:43
strikes on the things that he's doing.
56:45
But one other quick thing before we move on to the next quick hitter is I find this interesting.
56:49
You see these people that are tweeting for the first time in months, sometimes in the
56:52
case of years, I know Project Veritas was let back on some other conservative commentators.
56:56
Who were the left wing commentators that had to be brought back to Twitter?
57:03
Because I haven't seen any of them.
57:05
Who were those left wing voices that were banned at some point over the last two or three
57:09
years, or at least from the beginning of the C word, the the supposed pandemic.
57:14
Where were those accounts?
57:17
They didn't have to be reinstated because they were never banned.
57:20
So it kind of goes to what was happening at Twitter at the time and the people that were
57:24
working there and what they were keeping people from doing.
57:27
So something to keep in mind as you move forward, again, we'll see if this kind of shake up
57:31
within Twitter is going to work out.
57:33
All right.
57:34
Next quick hitter here, the United States men's soccer team changing their team logo to add
57:38
the LGBTQ rainbow.
57:39
So this is according to Newsweek, the US men's national soccer team, the US MNT has unveiled
57:45
a new crest, sparking outrage on social media ahead of the team's opening match at the FIFA
57:49
World Cup and Qatar.
57:50
The Middle Eastern country has strict laws surrounding same-sex relations and LGBTQ groups have expressed
57:55
concerns about the soccer tournament being held in Qatar.
57:58
The US soccer team has shown that it stands with the LGBTQ community with the squads be
58:02
the change initiative, which was launched in 2020 and the shield redesign is part of this.
58:06
Instead of the usual stars and stripes, it will feature rainbow colors, which are associated
58:11
with the pride movement.
58:12
Okay.
58:13
So I'll show that here on the screen for those of you that are actually watching, but you
58:16
can kind of see the change.
58:17
So this, this kind of immediately leads to some questions.
58:21
Are they somehow saying that the LGBTQ flag better represents the whole of the United States
58:29
more than the stars and stripes?
58:31
Is that what they're saying?
58:33
Because again, if you just look at it statistically speaking, there's not very many people that
58:37
are LGBTQ.
58:38
It's obviously going up as it becomes more of a social contagion.
58:41
But that's not representative of the whole of the 330 million people that are currently
58:46
legally living in the United States of America.
58:49
Also, why are they not being inclusive of the entire array of LGBTQ plus peoples with
58:54
this logo?
58:55
Because again, the rainbow logo, that's the old school one, right?
58:59
I don't know if you've seen the updated, you know, pride flags.
59:02
There's a whole lot more colors to be represented.
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So I personally feel like is it extra bigoted that they're not representing the entire array
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of these identities on their new logo.
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That's crazy.
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Another question.
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They shouldn't they be forced?
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Or shouldn't they be, I guess, focused on putting the biscuit in the basket?
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Because that's the point of soccer.
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You need to put the ball in the goal more times than the other teams put the ball in
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the goal.
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The United States soccer team is a joke because it's like our fourth and fifth tier athletes
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that become soccer players in this country.
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All of our top athletes are baseball players, or football players, or basketball players,
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or something else.
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Okay?
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Shouldn't they be focused on winning games?
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Kind of goes back to what I was talking about with the, the Essiden bombers.
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It's like, do we really care about what the CEO believes in his personal life?
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Or do we care about winning footy games?
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Okay?
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But the interesting thing about this story, there's a lot of interesting things here.
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Push came to shove for the United States men's soccer team at least twice because of this
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whole debacle.
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And the United States men's national team folded both times.
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Push came to shove twice.
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Here are the two times push came to shove.
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Number one, showing up to the World Cup to begin with.
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Number two, they didn't actually wear the rainbow logo jerseys in their first match.
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So go back to number one.
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If you honestly did not want to support the World Cup and the country of Qatar that is
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so backwards and you know, bands, homosexuality and they do these horrible things and all
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the human rights violations and all that, then why did you show up?
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Wouldn't it make more sense in terms of like actually advocating for those people by just
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not showing up?
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Hey, we're the United States.
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We're the dominant country in the world, even though we're not dominant in soccer at
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all, we're the dominant country in the world and we're not going to even go and compete
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because you guys are so terrible.
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Okay?
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So push came to shove there and they still got on planes, went to the Middle East and
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they're going to compete.
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But then they had their first game, you know, what was it yesterday, day before?
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And they played against Wales and you know, is a one one tire, whatever.
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And they didn't wear the rainbow logo jersey thing on their kit.
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They didn't wear it.
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Why not?
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We were told a week ago that that's exactly what you're going to do because you had to
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show this backwards country who, you know, you know, that you mean, you mean business
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that you're the boss.
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But it looks like a tar was like, sure, you can come and play in our tournament.
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But if you want to wear that on your jersey, we're not going to let you on the field.
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Now, I don't know that that happened.
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Like, I honestly don't know that that actually happened, but man, it's kind of interesting
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that they went out over their skis saying this is what they're going to do.
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And then when it came to actually playing in the game, they're like, okay, well, where
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are other jerseys?
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So my big takeaway on this one is it's funny how leftists flee from the, you know, we have
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to be tolerant of differing points of view and societal norms when those points of view
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and societal norms don't align with their leftist sensibilities.
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Because we've seen people.
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We've said there was a journalist that was apprehended because he was trying to walk
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in to one of the stadiums from one of the soccer games wearing a rainbow flag shirt and
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all those different things.
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And he posted it on Twitter and he was like, Oh my gosh, why is this happening?
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Well, it's like, that's not your country.
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So in America, yeah, you can wear whatever you want to wear and you can have these ridiculous
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points of view and beliefs and you can do whatever you want, right?
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That's part of the thing about having the first amendment and a full, you know, like
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a full strength first amendment, but they don't have that over there in Qatar.
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You're playing by their rules.
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A lot of people are talking about Brittany Griner and how it's awful that she's in prison
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and it seems like she is being made an example of, but she broke a law in a foreign country
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and she did it knowingly.
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She didn't on purpose.
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So like this isn't America.
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She didn't get arrested in Tennessee or Oregon.
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She got arrested in Russia.
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So the fact that she's an American doesn't really matter because of what she did.
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The same thing here is we want to tell people like in America, Oh, you know, that's just
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somebody with a different point of view.
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I know you're a conservative Christian, but you should be tolerant of other people's points
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of view.
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Go back to the interview with Guy Mason on the new show.
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Well, that's not very tolerant and loving.
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So you go over to their, to Qatar and you say, you guys aren't being tolerant and loving
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and they're like, okay, bye.
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You don't have to be here.
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Oh, and if you break our rules while you're here, you're abiding by our laws.
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I don't care what color your passport is.
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You're abiding by our laws.
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So isn't that funny that these people all of a sudden are not tolerant of those differing
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points of view because those points of view just happened to disagree with theirs.
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All right.
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Last quick hater here, the sentencing of the Waukesha, Wisconsin Christmas braid murderers.
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So this is according to the New York Post, a Wisconsin man convicted of killing six people
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and injuring dozens more when he drove through a Christmas braid near Milwaukee last year
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was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday at the conclusion of a two day hearing.
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Waukesha County circuit court judge, Jennifer D'Oro handed down the six mandatory life in
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prison terms to Daryl Brooks, 40 years old, who was found guilty on October the 26th of
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76 criminal charges, including six counts of intentional homicide.
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Brooks deliberately drove his sport utility vehicle through police barricades last November
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and plowed into crowds of people participating in the annual parade in Waukesha about 15 miles
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west of downtown Milwaukee.
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So my big takeaway will go right to that with this one.
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I bet Wisconsin taxpayers wish they had the death penalty because the death penalty,
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I didn't know this until I looked into a little bit.
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It was abolished in Wisconsin in 1853.
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Okay.
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They were one of the earliest states in the United States to ban the death penalty.
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And even before that, they had only enforced the death penalty one time and it was kind
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of a botched, uh, hanging and things like that.
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And so it didn't really go well.
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So they banned it almost immediately, but Wisconsin voters back in 2006 actually voted
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in favor of reinstating capital punishment in the state of Wisconsin, but the state legislature
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never adopted the statutes, you know, to honor the voters, wishes or anything, any of the
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things like that.
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But this crime that Darryl Brooks did, again, taking his SUV again, all the news, things
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were like, SUV drove through a parade.
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No, a man got in an SUV and decided he was going to kill people using that vehicle.
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But this crime that he committed obviously deserves a quick death, a quick death.
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There was no question who was responsible for the deaths of these people there.
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They didn't really need a trial, but you know, it's, it's a good thing to honor that process
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that he gets one.
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So at what point are we going to say that the taxpayers of Wisconsin do not need to support
1:05:15
this man's life for the next multiple decades?
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Because if he goes to, you know, if he lives to 70 or 80 years old, maybe 90 years old
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or something like that, we're talking 30, 40, 50 years that the Wisconsin taxpayers are
1:05:26
going to be keeping this murderous scumbag alive.
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Like I'm sorry, like on this planet, if you kill people, we will kill you back.
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That doesn't mean that he can't be saved by the grace of God.
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We should be praying for the soul Darryl Brooks.
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We should be praying that he comes to actually understand the level of depravity that he holds
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within his heart and that Jesus is literally the only way that he could be saved from that
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depravity and sin and that he could be walking in heaven someday if he turns away and repents
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from his horrifically terrible, sinful life.
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So in that way, he's just like all of us that haven't murdered anybody, okay, because we
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are all sinners.
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We've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and that that standard is something
1:06:09
that we could never attain.
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So we should pray for this man, but in terms of justice, in terms of quick justice here
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on this planet, that man deserves to die.
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Those family members that are lost loved ones, many of them will die before he does.
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So they're going to go to their graves, not having the satisfaction of knowing that this
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man who deliberately killed their loved ones is still walking around, hanging out in prison,
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playing cards or something like that.
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So I know it's a rough way to end, but it is what it is.
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