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This is "Undaunted Life" a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Hey Mark Wayne, it's always good to see you, it's always good to have you on the show,
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but as you and I have talked about offline, obviously we're kind of in a weird place
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right now as a country and you and I have talked a little bit here and there since the
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assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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There's a lot of thoughts, there's been think pieces and podcasts and episodes of shows
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at late night hosts.
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Everyone's been taking their shots and making their opinions known, but I just want you to
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give your message to my audience about really the impact that Charlie Kirk had, especially
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for the Trump administration and your thoughts about the assassination, then we'll just move
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forward from there.
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Well, that's a lot of questions there, you've got to just throw it out there.
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I just want to sneak them all in, just in case you forget one, you can just pick them
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out here and there.
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No jokes, just right in there, I mean you've got a black t-shirt on, I look better than
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you do.
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I mean, it just didn't feel like, well, we can take a vote, we'll take a poll to see
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how that goes.
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Yeah, so listen, first of all, for Charlie's impact on the election, it can't be over-stake
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that he had.
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I'm not saying understated, it can't be overstated to his impact he had.
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He did something that the Republicans didn't think we could do.
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He took the younger generation and changed their way of thinking, not by trying to manipulate
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them, but trying to get them to think, not by having a fiery speech like AOC and fight
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and burn them down because they're socialists and all this stuff, it's a fascist.
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But he had, he did it with words that is hard for a lot of us to express and that's love.
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And if you go, well, whatever, I mean, he's decisive, what was decisive about him, right?
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I mean, he went upset at a tent and on the college campus gave a microphone to the opposition
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and he had opened a bait with him and he would openly talk about his faith with Jesus Christ.
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He would talk about his traditional marriage, encourage people to get married and have as
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many kids as they could.
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And then if you wanted to debate political stuff, he could go all the way back to founding
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fathers, the federalist papers, he could debate the Constitution or the current law that was
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just passed and he could recite it without notes on the smartest individuals I ever met
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and he could articulate it in a way that wasn't coming across as condescending, wasn't coming
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across as his opinion, he gave the facts behind it.
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And that's why it was so hard to debate Charlie because when you were debating him, he knew
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the issue and he could recite it and I don't know where he read because he was always communicating
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with people.
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I don't know where he had time to actually comprehend and read all this, but he must
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know how to read, speed read through things and retain it better than any human being
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I've ever met in my life because he could talk about any author and recite scriptures
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and recite, you know, exactly word for word, the federalist papers or writings of any of
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our founding fathers.
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And so the way he did it was in a thoughtful way and his crowd just continued to grow.
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And he wasn't running for office, he wasn't doing anything, he was just going to places
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that elected officials had overlooked.
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And when he came in after the devastating election results in 2020, he was the first
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one wanting the president to run again and for re-election.
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The president I had that conversation, actually Jim Jordan, I was the last person after he
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talked to the president and the Oval Office before he left, and he said, "Why would I
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run again?"
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I've already won two elections, he wasn't going to run again.
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But Charlie continued to talk to him and then the left would leave him alone and Charlie
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said, "I can win the younger generation for you."
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President Trump didn't think that was possible, he was like, "How can you do that?"
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He says, "We can do it, I'm Tony, there's a whole hunger of younger people out there
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that want the truth."
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And all we had to do is just give them it, just give them the facts.
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They fight with feelings and emotions, we can fight with facts.
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And that was what he said, "They fight with feelings and emotions, we can fight with
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facts."
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And he did it.
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I mean, he absolutely 100% did it.
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No one worked harder than Charlie other than the president of the United States to get
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President Trump back in office and he did it with so much energy.
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So he made a huge impact on the election and midterm elections too, he was going to make
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a big impact.
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Now fast forward to where we're going with Charlie, he never wanted to have the legacy
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that wasn't what he was about.
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And I'm not making this comparison, so don't think I'm comparative to Jesus Christ, I'm
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not.
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Jesus Christ died for his sins, like his pastor said died for his sins, means Charlie sins
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died for our sins so we could have a turn of life.
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That's Jesus.
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So I'm not comparing the two, but I want to make the comparison about legacy, the difference
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between legacy and message.
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Jesus Christ didn't leave a legacy, he left a message, he left a word, he left a following.
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Jesus Christ when he was crucified rose again, it wasn't about his past life and for us to
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necessarily worship him, it was the father above and the grace that he gave and the teachings
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he left.
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The example he gave us as being the only perfect human to ever walk this earth and it came
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to be flesh to lead us, right?
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So when you talk about Charlie, people say what legacy do you want him to have, Charlie
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made it very clear, he wanted to make sure that he was a Christian first, that's who
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he wanted to be, he wanted to be a Christian.
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And then what he started was a movement to openly talk about your faith.
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When the world at the time was trying to crush it by saying Christians were bigots and Christians
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were hateful, Christians were closed-minded, Christians there was no place for them.
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I mean it was traditional family values throughout the door and that was exactly what our founding
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fathers by the way warned us about and that's exactly what Ronald Reagan warned us about.
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That's a moral fabric of this country dies than this country dies and I think Charlie
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understood that not from a political perspective but from a spiritual perspective and I mean
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that sincerely because his desire was to love everybody.
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I mean I mean that sincerely and there isn't anybody that was friends with Charlie that
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can say they put more in a Charlie's life than Charlie put in your life.
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Charlie led every time and he was 31 freaking years old, I mean how do you do that?
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He gave us an example to be a husband, he gave us an example how to be a father, he gave
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us an example how to be a leader in your organization, he gave us an example how to speak politics,
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he gave us an example how to speak your faith, I mean he was just bold about it and so his
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legacy is his message moving forward to continue that and people are receiving it in numbers
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that you couldn't even imagine.
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Last night Andrew, yesterday Andrew is producer who was a close friend and I had become friends
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with Andrew lately, I was acquainted with Andrew because of Charlie since this assassination
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Andrew and I are developing a friendship and he put out a thing yesterday on X that going
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just give you some numbers, turning point USA had 9,000 chapters in college campuses and
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1,100 chapters on high school campuses on September 10th, after Erica spoke for the
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first time and addressed the world really that I mean immediately they had 15,000 requests
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for turning point USA so it doubled almost.
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By the next day it had doubled and the numbers continue to climb and going into the services
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last Sunday which was a service like it was it's the first time I can actually said we
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actually had a celebration of life I know that sound like the trend that everybody is
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going to it's having a funeral they have a celebration of life but it feels like a funeral
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when you go that Charlie's was a celebration of life it was the it was an awesome the one
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of the most awesome emotional experiences that I've had and I mean that sincerely and but
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going into that they were 62,000 requests last night Charlie put out and he said there was
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over as over 100,000 but I want to say is like 112,000 or something I may be wrong but I
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know it was over 100,000 requests now that came in since the services and he said effectively
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now we have requested beyond every high school campus in the United States I wanted to point
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this out.
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A couple weeks before Charlie's assassination that's what he said his request was he wanted
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to be on every camp high school campus in America and there's roughly 23,000 so now not
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not only does he have all 23,000 now but now he's on other high school campuses around
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the world and that impact is is unmeasurable and it's going to be you and I may not even
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see the total impact of it but when we're too old to actually flux our muscles in about
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20 years we're going to see the big we're going to see a real impact on it because this
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generation X this generation Z and the generation Y and a generation has come before they were
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lied to me by the left by the radical left and they bought into it and it didn't change
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the outcome or the trajectory because people can only live and hate so long before you get
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before it erodes and and that hate requires you know gasoline to constantly being thrown
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on it and it's just you get tired of it and Charlie's message was so different that people
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the college campuses started forming towards him but then for the whole world to see the
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assassination of him when just minutes before he was talking about the gospel he was going
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love and respect to people and in the middle of a question VNS about you know transgender
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violence I'm paraphrasing that but that's but that's what the question was he gets assassinated
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and it woke that generation up faster than anyone could imagine I want to I mean because
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these aren't these aren't corporations this point up turning point USA chapters these
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are yeah high schools and college campuses that are reaching out and asking for turning
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point USA for a turning point USA chapter now the question is is what do you and I do with
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that because we're not college or not high school what is what is the generation that
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what role do we play in that right would you yeah would you agree yeah I think you're you're
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spot on with that because I've I've wondered the loud like okay a hundred thousand new
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campuses of high schools and colleges and all those different things well there's one
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thing to get knowledge to people but the other part is wisdom knowledge can be gained by
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anybody but wisdom and discernment is something different and so that's that's why I think
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we have this very interesting moment because Mark Wayne I've said this a lot and I'm gonna
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keep saying it even in future interviews one of the first thoughts I had after Charlie was
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assassinated I felt like a Rubicon was crossed in a degree especially because we saw people
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so many people come out and celebrate the murder of someone now again yes he was a father
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and a husband and all those things but they're awful evil people that are fathers and husbands
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but at the same time he was such a good man he he wanted his enemies to be on his side
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of things but these demons that are coming out and celebrating that he's dead and celebrating
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the tears of his widow I just I feel like something's been broken like the George Floyd
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riots in the summer and all that it's it's like we've made it through like I don't think
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the country's on the brink of you know disaster necessarily but it feels like the gloves are
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off in this war against good and evil what do you think I don't I'll go I'll I'll push
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against that a little bit I don't think so God said the word says that he'll expose the
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man's heart right yeah and we're seeing it we're what you intended to be silent what you
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intended to be covered up what you intended to be and in the darkness of night it says
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that the Lord will expose it for all to see what's happened is because these individuals
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now are celebrating the life of a of a good Christian moral man that wasn't seeking hatred
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or or playing with fire those that are come out and celebrate it's exposed to them and
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it's turned the ones that were following them away from them faster than they could then
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Charlie than you than anyone could have ever done it's exposed who they are and people
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are choosing sides but most are not choosing to stay with that side they don't want to
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be associated with that they don't want their name to be associated their heart can't take
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it the Lord built us and built us to be good now we're evil doers because we're sinful
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but God built us and handed us to be good just like he intended us to walk forward not
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backwards he intended us to love him but he couldn't enforce us to love him he tended
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us to have a brain to build a make our own decision but he opened our eyes and gave us
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wisdom to build a seed truth if we chose to see the truth because he was the way he's
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the truth in the way right and the Lord is the one who gives us peace and joy and spirit
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of love and happiness and rest the devil comes and still kill and destroy there's a complete
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line that has been drawled because of this and people that had the seed of the Lord planted
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in them because they've heard the gospel before they were raised that way but they chose to
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go a different way or they had a friend that took on a church one day or they went to church
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camp because they wanted to go away for the summer and they just went to go hang out but
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the seed was planted the roots are starting to take hold and I mean that sincerely so there
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has to be a division now the division of war the division are you going to be with good
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or evil right which one are you going to go with and the people have woke up by it now
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to go back to the question of what role do you and I play with this we have two roles
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one we shepherd it it's not on us to lead it though and people look at me go what it's
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not on us to lead it Charlie was leading at 18 years old there's a lot more tarlies out
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there than what we know but word has shepherd it it's like Paul writing to the churches encouraging
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them to root out the evil encourage them not to allow the manipulators and the Pharisees
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to come in that's trying to draw in a division between the two to keep true and keep honest
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and keep pure to the way the Lord Charlie's message is from us one to to make sure that
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we're shepherding it and keeping in the right direction give the individuals going to lead
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it in these chapters counsel wise counsel but give them the give them the the courage to
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continue to speak and move forward and give them the financial support too and there's
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ways that we can do that we can help financially and I'm not I'm not raising the money for turn
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point USA they're raising plenty of money but people ask what what do you do well turn
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point USA is financially helping the sponsors or sponsor these chapters but more than anything
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sponsor the chapter in your backyard I mean give them the finances given the resource
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you're not talking about a million dollars you're talking about you know probably a couple hundred
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dollars a month that they could run the whole chapter on I'm not kidding so not everybody
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not one person has to do that but we need it we need to we need to encourage these individuals
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we need to be like youth pastors and youth leaders in these turning point USA chapters
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and I mean this sincerely youth groups need to churches need to be stepping up and sponsoring
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these to some degree with it to some degree to some degree right because that's our role
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the memorial over the weekend Erica forgiving her husband's assassin like being a picture of the
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gospel I mean I just like I don't know how you can watch that and not just weep and you know just
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the music go ahead I'm just saying I was losing most of the whole time she was saying that I'm
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sitting there you know I'm sitting right behind uh tall sea and the whole cabinet and and um
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all of us saw where she was going with that and I honest I was thinking surely not
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I mean I was getting emotional like I was getting goosebumps I was like surely not
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and when she just forced it at I mean she forced it at that wasn't natural but there's nothing
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natural about that she forced it out you heard the you heard the entire
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you heard a gasp all at once by a hundred a thousand people and uh yeah it was that's what
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that is the most moving except it was I can't even describe it I don't even know you hear about
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people like that but I've never witnessed it before and the whole world witnessed it that's grace
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I don't even like one I mean I've Mark Wayne I've seen videos of people add a sentencing hearing
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for somebody that killed one of their family members going and forgiving them I heard about
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after Dylan Roof went in and shot up a black church specifically a racist killing to kill black
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people within 24 hours surviving congregants of that church one by one went before Dylan Roof
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you know through a screen or whatever and forgave him for killing their family members but you know
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I said this about the memorial uh it was the biggest gathering where a gospel message was put out in
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the history of humanity you know well over a hundred million uh people were viewing the stream
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according to the tpusa the clips that have been made and sent out millions of times even just since
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sunday uh but for you I'm just curious being in that room because obviously it's significant
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you know it had super bowl inauguration level security um it was treated with a tremendous
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amount of security but also reverence but you do have basically the entire cabinet there you
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have Donald Trump there like you have uh the the vice president there you have secretary of state
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you have all these these people there what was the mood like because it's one thing you know like
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when George Floyd died a bunch of politicians had to pretend they cared about a derelict criminal
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who was a predator in his local community they had to just pretend but these were people that for
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the most part knew Charlie and if they didn't know him personally they knew the impact of what he
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was doing in the movement he was having with the youth so what did it what did it honestly feel
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like what did it what were the conversations like amongst all those folks including you
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you know we all set together and it was the entire the entire cabinet was there i mean the entire
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cabinet was there uh the only thing it wasn't there was a joint chase of staff and the and the
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the difference between a joint session and this is that the democrats wasn't there and not all the
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members were there and you didn't see that the you know our we didn't see our supreme court justice
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there in the in the cabinet or in the in the joint chase of staff but the mood
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would his pastor took the stage to open it up he set the tone yeah now people were talking
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people were communicating people are laughing but there's a spirit of love through the whole
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place and then one by one you saw the cabinet members get up and talk about our savior lord
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jesus christ and i sit there and i watched it and i thought how different this would have been
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a year ago because there wasn't a single person in that last cabinet that would have spoke bold
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about their faith i'm not saying they're not christians that's not my judgment that's that's
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that's on the lord doesn't judge that i'm not i'm not making those judgment because people
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say i'm not a christian either because i tell their people i'm more reciprocated in the world
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problem one mistake away being exposed to the guy that i i guess i truly am but to hear the entire
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cabinet that spoke not everybody spoke from the cabinet but i'm saying that everyone that spoke
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from the president to the vice president to even don jr speaking about the scriptures
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and then having marco rubio preach a message
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and having peace hegs to preach a message having tulsi gabra preach a message
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about the love and respect of jesus christ and the grace that he gives us
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i just think god that his timing is perfect because he says this timing is perfect
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we get impatient and we don't see it we don't see what's happening around us
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but think of the difference in that service if it would have been at this same thing would
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happen a year ago think of the difference in the way washing dc is looked at today think of the
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people that's running this country from a year ago to where we are today think of that
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because you've got to see it on full display people one after another talking about
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talking about
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i don't know i don't know about jesus i mean that's a simple way to say talking about jesus
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talking about the love of jesus talking about the grace of jesus talking about the salvation
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of jesus christ talking i mean how many times does people tell you how many times did you hear
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people say you need to get right with the lord if you don't know him get right with the
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lord when the pastor gave the altar call i mean literally gave the altar calls but i'm calling
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i'm old pentecostal guy when he gave the when he gave the when he gave the altar call and said
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if you don't know the lord jesus christ your personal savior can you stand your feet right
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now i don't know how many people stood up i don't know there was thousands that stood up across that
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place how many more around the world do we not know it and that's the move that was this place i mean
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during during praise and worship when they were playing praise and worship songs
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people raising their hands i mean people were raising their hands down at the cabinet members
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were raising their hands i mean the people in the vip section was raised up in the up in the stands
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people were just praising the lord i mean it was the it was i i i you can't even describe it
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and this was that this was this was all honoring the memory of a guy who was 31 years old
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i'm going to impact that i just i'll just leave it leave you with this
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and then we can go wherever you want to talk about but my mom sent me a text message and my
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mom's probably texted me five times since the invention of text and so she sent me a text message
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that i had to scroll up and by the way for anybody that knows me that has my stuff on number
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if you send me a text that i got to scroll up on i'm not reading it i'm just telling you i'm not
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reading it in fact if it takes my if it takes up the the entire screen i'm not reading it if you
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needed text something i may pick up the phone and call me right um that's when the text message
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she said say call me but my mom sent me this big o long text message that has to scroll up twice
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on and she said to me paraphrasing it she said mark lane i know you're hurting because he was your
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friend and i'm seeing on tv and i can see it and i've dealt with a lot and she said i know you dealt
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with a lot of death in your life because i have um a lot and i and death doesn't bother me like
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you would think it just it just doesn't uh my mom my wife says i'm cold hearted or something i don't
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know i'm just it just typically doesn't bother me it's just like yeah this sucks but i still
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have the memory of you um less embrace your loved ones and move on um that's a callous way to say it
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i'm sorry but it's way i am but she said i'm i just want to point something out
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to you why it was the senseless killing you got to realize this his spirit knew he had a short time
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his spirit knew he had a short time he was built for 31 years
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and she said just like somebody else is built for 33 years and i thought okay at that point things
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changed my mindset was like okay all right and if you believe in the sovereignty of god you believe
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that our days are numbered like they are exactly numbered and there's no surprise uh from god's
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perspective so uh we'll we'll wrap up just talking about this because i think we've a lot of people
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memorializing the different things then there's the practical side of the investigation um
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yeah you're good let me make sure it's still recording all right it looks like it's still
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recording all right so one thing that i think is important to discuss as well is obviously the
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hang on let me make sure it says recording but yeah it's still recording let me make that note
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all right this will be the last one so Mark Wayne with the memorials and with all the other
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different things there's still the reality of the investigation because here we are years later
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and we can look back we don't really know a whole lot about the Las Vegas shooter that shot up a
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Jason Aldean concert we don't know a whole lot about the shooter that tried to kill president
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trump on the campaign trail and with the shooter now like obviously he's still alive uh you know
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hopefully he he stays alive so he can face justice and then be killed uh for his crimes but the
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investigation seems uh like it should be widened because there are so many people online that seem
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to have september the 10th in utah circled on their calendars and they seem to this this underbody
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of people uh this undercurrent of people i guess seem to have an idea that something was going to
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go down that day so the idea that this one kid decided this one young man decided that he was
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going to do this and no one else had any uh idea was going to happen didn't help him with it seems
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a little bit foolhardy and i i don't want to play into the conspiracy games of a lot of things because
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a lot of people are talking conspiracies about where the shot came from and but i mean there are
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some things that stink about the situation but that a real good investigation could clear up so
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what are your thoughts on where the investigation stands now and where it'll go yeah so people love
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to chase theories i mean there's theories as soon as it came out i had a theory um but the fact is
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on a case like this when our ic community was monitoring what was going on um we knew we had
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threats the ic world was working with his detail uh the more people that know
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the more people have a tendency to tell somebody else and i'm not saying this is the case here but
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it appears to be this is that the most dangerous people you deal with are the lone wolves the ones
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that just have it in their head we we don't think for any reason i was starting to cash about this
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just the other day um cash to tell he said we we 100 believe his
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live-in person uh did have a clue had no idea well if his live-in person didn't know
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then uh and i'm not trying to be politically correct i just don't know what the correct term
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is okay so that's why i'm saying person his gay transferee boyfriend there you go they're
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your politically correct phrase but they're saying that they don't know they don't know they don't
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believe he that he she knew and uh and so all these people about saying he had to help help
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i don't know i i i the lone wolf ones are the ones that always just surprise you because there's two
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people know typically six people know and a six people know typically 12 and a 12 people know
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24 now is pretty quick and the number doubles really quick because someone always tells someone
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else because it's a you know trusted friend and uh and someone finds out and you hear chatter some
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place online someplace someone tips someone off so in this case it appears now the investigation
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will go thorough it would be very thorough and if anybody's there it'll be exposed i promise you
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there's a lot of motivated people when you got the president of the united states addressing the world
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from the oval office the night of the assassination i promise you everybody woke up and said we're
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going to get to the bottom of this um guaranteed we're going to get the bottom of it so we will
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get to the bottom of it but it appears that this person is that that the hardest ones in the world
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to prevent in the lone wolf all right well uh we're definitely in a different country than we were
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just a couple of weeks ago but i agree with you we should shepherd the legacy of charlie kirk as
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