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This is undaunted life of man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into
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it. Our guys today, we got a special return guest on the podcast, or maybe I can have
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a different intro form. It's from the Senate with Mark Wayne Mullins. So it's not, it's
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not like my normal interviews is kind of a different one. So if you guys aren't familiar
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with this, he's going to be coming on here once a month. So he's the United States Senator
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representing the great state of Oklahoma. And about once a month he's going to come on here,
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we're going to talk about stuff that is happening, you know, right now the stuff that's happening
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in the news cycle, because basically the day I record this is a day I put it out if, if
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not just the day after or something like that. So it's really, really pertinent to the time
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period that we're living in. But on this particular episode, we talk about President Trump quite
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a bit because he hung out with President Trump at the rest, the NCAA wrestling finals that
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were happening over the weekend Saturday in Tulsa. And so he talked about what it was
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like having Trump there with him and kind of the whole story about how he was invited
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and how he accepted it. But then also how the people of Oklahoma responded to him, but
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also everybody else from around the country that was in Tulsa that day and how they responded
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to him and how these guys would get done winning or losing their, their national championship
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match. And then they'd go over there and want to get a picture with Trump and shake his hand
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and do those types of things. And so, and it was also funny to hear him talk about how
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the Secret Service was like, what the heck are we going to do? Like, this is not the
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greatest, most secure location for the former president. But then we obviously got into
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the news that broke over the weekend where Trump announced that he expects to be arrested
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this week. And so kind of everything that's going to be going into that, you know, by
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the time you listen to this, he may have already been arrested. Mark Wayne kind of gives his
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ideas as to whether or not he can actually be arrested because he would have to be taken
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out of the custody of the United States Secret Service, which is not something that a president
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or former president has ever allowed to do because of the since the sensitive nature,
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I guess, of the, all the stuff that they know. And so we, we talked through all of that in
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the different scenarios. And then before he left the interview, we talked about this dust
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up that Mark Wayne Mullen got into with a mobbed up labor leader, a guy named Sean O'Brien,
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he leads up the Teamsters Union. And I really liked his answer about why he went at this
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guy as hard as he did. And so guys, make sure you hang around and listen for that answer.
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But without further ado, let's get into it. Mark Wayne Mullen, welcome back to undaunted
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life of man's podcast. Hey, brother. How you doing? I am doing well. I will say this though.
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You told me off air that you almost put on a black t-shirt. And I just got to tell you
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how dare you ever try to match the black t-shirt thing. Everybody knows that's my thing. Okay.
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You can't have my thing. You know, it's funny. It was a black t-shirt and he had even had
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a V neck. And I was like, whoa, whoa, he's going to think I'm flirting with him. I'm not
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saying you're you're playing with fire. Now, if you start getting all a hard part in your
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hair and everything like that, things will get a little bit awkward. But you had a great
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time this weekend because it was a great sports weekend for people. You had March Madness
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going on. You had the world baseball classic, but also, yeah, the, you know, national finals
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for NCAA wrestling. Obviously you and I are both a big time wrestling fans. But you didn't
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go by yourself because you could have just been a normal person. You could just bought
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a ticket and March yourself in there saw some of your constituents because it wasn't
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Tulsa. Okay. And so you could have just done that and made it simple, but you had a friend
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come with you. And I think most people will know his name and may have heard of him before.
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So who'd you go with? Well, uh, President Trump, uh, wanted, uh, wanted to go with me.
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My boys actually made the ass. So we were down in Mar-a-Lago. I don't know, I guess
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it was, uh, October, I think maybe October. I'm not actually real sure when we're there.
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And the boys were there. Of course, my whole family wrestles, all of us wrestle. My whole
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family was there. And, um, the boys were talking about wrestling with, with, uh, President
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Trump and President Trump, actually wrestled. I don't know if people know that. And so he
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was, he was talking about his experience and he's like, you know, I figured out really
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quick, um, wrestling is not my sport. I, I, I played better if I got a football or a
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basketball or a baseball in my hand. And, uh, he, so they started going back and forth
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and President Trump was supposed to go to the NCA finals in Minnesota when it was canceled
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in 2020. And so he started talking about that. And the boys said, well, why don't you go
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to this one? It's in Tulsa. And he immediately said, yes, he called his people in there
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and he says, do I have anything going on? And he's playing on going on, coming in on
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the 17th Friday night, the 17th. Uh, because I told him the, the best time to go was actually
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a semifinals. I think those are the best matches, the semifinals matches. I honestly, I think
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those are, those are just, you know, people are going for broke there. And, uh, and he
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said, um, uh, he said, I'll do it. And then his team said, well, sorry, you already got
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an event scheduled. He said, well, what about finals on the 17th? They said you're wide
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open. And he said he was there immediately. He said he was all in. And we did nothing
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political. It wasn't, it wasn't designed to be political. We said and just, um, I mean,
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he flew in just for the tournament and he had a blast. I'm, he was, he was supposed
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to, he was scheduled to depart at eight o'clock and which would have put him about probably
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halfway through the finals to be quite frank. And he wouldn't leave. I mean, his team was
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up and said, sir, we're supposed to be wheels up. He says, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.
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Because all that every one of the, the champions were coming over there and shaking his hand.
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And they were so gracious and so excited to meet the president. It was, it was amazing.
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The crowd was electric. The crowd loved him. They started doing a wave at the BLK center
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and he started getting into the wave and we thought that was fun. I mean, he just, he
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honestly, he was, I've been around him for six years. And it's probably the most relaxed
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I've ever seen him, um, with people. I mean, he, his, his, of course, the, uh, his, uh,
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uh, uh, Seeker service was going eight crazy about it because everybody was swarming and
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it wasn't very secure. Uh, they were pushing people out of the way and he would yell at
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him. No, you let him come. Let him come. Let him come. And it just, if he took one picture,
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he took a thousand pictures and if you're an all American, he was getting you through
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that line. If you were, if you were an academy, so Naval Air Force or, or West Point, if he
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saw your uniform, he was calling you over or he was hollering at me, telling me to call
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him over. Um, I mean, if you were a kid, if you were a kid, uh, if I don't care what age,
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if you're a kid, if you were six years old or you're 18 years old, he was having you
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come over. Um, you know, my whole right, my boys is wrestling team from Bigsby. They
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all took pictures with him. And I mean, for the whole, the whole entire tournament, and
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the only time he wouldn't take pictures when, when the matches were going on. So this is
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the match was over. He had stand up and start taking pictures with people again. And, uh,
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it was just, it was just much, I think the, the, uh, 197 pounder. And I forget where the
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kid is from, but I mean, he was just a bloody mess. And, uh, he was walking through there
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and didn't recognize it was the present because that was just the direction that the champions
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were leaving. And when he saw it was present in present Trump, he threw his head gear and
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grabbing with both hands, which typically that's not a good idea. No, not a great idea. And
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I looked at the secret service guy like, are you going to grab him? And he just, he kind
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of stepped back. Cause I got to know the serious service guys is the one, especially the one
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on Trump the whole time. And I mean, he was just like, Oh my God, his lips were bloody,
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his teeth were bloody present Trump. Just, I mean, he thought that was the coolest thing
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in the kid was just like, this is the greatest day ever. I mean, he was just, I love you and
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all that. And he, it was just really neat. And, um, and so anyway, see, uh, he, uh, he,
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when he turned around, took a picture and when he was leaving, I asked the, um, uh, I asked
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the, his, the serious service guy said, why don't you jump in on that one? He said, did
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you see the guy? I mean, 197 pounders weigh in at 197. They're not 197. Those are monsters.
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No, this guy, this guy was, was big. And, uh, and I just kind of laughed. I said, what
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was your option? He says, shooting, I wasn't going to grab him. Oh, I think that was the
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kid, uh, the kid from pit. But yeah, I mean, that was like, yeah, he was pit. Yeah, I'm
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golden yellow. I remember it was Jersey or is, you know, it is a Jersey. I can't play
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a singlet. Yeah, it was, it was golden yellow. So it was pit. Yeah. Well, so yeah, and you're
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no one's ever going to let you live that down that you just called it a Jersey mystery.
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Oh man. And I'm not going to clip it out either. But because that's me inserting my foot. And
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but I do got an excuse just because my elbow was throbbing while we're sitting here talking
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because I just came back from the orthopedic who decided to drill in my elbow bone and
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it is, it's feeling great. Well, I'm never going to have to deal with this because I'm
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going to be young forever. But it's you old guys. You know, it's the old guys that still
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think you can work out in your elbow and in your leg and your hip and your whatever.
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But it's okay. I'll never be there, but you just try to work through it. Do you know
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where I'm going right after this? I'm going to go to the chiropractor because my boys
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jumped on me last night, uh, feeling froggy. They don't know this. I swear to God, they
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don't know this, but they jumped on me last night and they were doing, we're, they were
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trying to do chokes and they were doing them wrong. You know, being a white belt in jujitsu,
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I was like, ah, listen, we're going to do this, right? And so I was teaching how to
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do it. And then when I taught them, then they started hooking up with me and, uh, and man,
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they cranked my neck and my neck popped. And I'm telling you from here down, I, I feel
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old today. I'm like this, trying to turn. I got to, I got to go to chiropractor a little
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bit. And I'm just like, you, this is, this is awful. 45 as a real suck to it. It is,
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it's killing, it's killing me. I got to tell you, I'm not really looking forward to it,
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but just the other day. So I have a rib that's a little bit out of place right now. And I
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haven't been able to get over the chiropractor. So I got my, the nerves are all going crazy
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right now. And I've been able to hide it until last night when my two year old decided he
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wanted to like super fly Jimmy Schnooka from a chair and just like land on my stomach.
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And he landed right on it. And I yelped like a stuck pig and it was terrible. You know,
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it's not a back rib. It's in the front. And every time that I've messed up a rib, it's
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been like right near the sternum. Like before I tested for blue or for purple belt. I had
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a rib that was like out, like it pops so bad. Mark Wayne, like it was about three weeks
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before I tested for a purple belt. Like the people around us stopped rolling because they
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heard the rib go, it was like, and like it was, it was terrible. And guys, if you've
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never had a rib injury before, like that's one thing, but a rib injury and then trying
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to do grappling of any kind, like moving your torso guys, like laying on your knee on belly.
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Like it's the absolute worst, but I do want to take a slight detour to talk a little bit
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more about wrestling because there were a couple of really huge things that happened
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at the tournament. So the first thing is the three time defending champion from Iowa Spencer
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Lee. Now guys, just put this in perspective. He has won the national title. His freshman
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sophomore, junior year and his senior year. This was supposed to be his coronation, right?
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But he lost in the semi final to a kid from Purdue. I can't remember his name. His name's
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escaping me right now. I was kids. Oh, Matt Ramos. And then Ramos ended up losing in
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the final to Pat glory from Princeton. But that was a huge upset. But then another upset
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that I don't really know a lot of people were expecting was that 133 in the final yet Penn
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State. That's one what 10 out of the last 11 or 12 national titles as a team. Just an
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unprecedented run. But RBY Roman Bravo. Young. That's one of their best guys. He lost in
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the final to Vito. I think he says last name, a rougeau from Cornell. And of course he's
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the one to put it on Dayton fix. And Oh man. And because whenever a fix got beat, I was
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like, how like what is wrong? Like what happened? It had to just been a fluke. And then he went
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out there and just put it on the dude. I've never seen a wrestler move quite that fast
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that anyway. He was lightning fast. His outside sweepy ankle. It was just amazing. He set
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it up perfectly. And then he just dominated the match. But I didn't know this about him
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because I didn't know the kid. I mean, I just be honest with you. I didn't know him until
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he beat Dayton. I mean, I knew he was ranked. I think he was ranked third going into it,
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which is no joke. Yeah, that's that's there. But but I wasn't really. I didn't really
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hadn't watched him ever. I never watched him rest. So I just saw some stuff on Instagram
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and stuff about him, right? But he goes out there and he's super quick and and we're and
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afterwards, I was like, who is this kid? Like what's his background? His dad is a two time
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world champion from Russia. Oh, wow. And and so they came over and met with President
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Trump too. And I mean, his dad was elated to meet President Trump. And so of course, so
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was the son whole family, they had the whole family over there and stuff. And I mean, they
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were talking, shaking hands. And and he was President Trump was interested in both of
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them. His dad's his dad is not five foot three, sawed off guy and just looks like he could
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still get after it. And but I think that was, I know, I know Yani's match was, you know,
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the greatest, probably one of the best finals matches of all time. It was just a great match.
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But I enjoyed watching that kid from Cornell. I'm not going to try pronounce his last name.
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I enjoy, I enjoyed watching his match. And I've watched more highlights from his match.
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And I had the entire tournament because he was just his moves were so fluent, his attack,
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his reshots, his counters that he was so on and so dialed on dialed in. That's what the
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tournament represents, right? You bring out the best of people and people have great tournaments
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and they become champions. We are live from Feddi's house. Yes,
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build subscriptions continue until canceled. Right. Well, I was embarrassed that I didn't know anything
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about the kid until that happened because, you know, again, I was watching that last because I
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think that was last or second to last in terms of the lineup or something like that or third
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lab. I can't remember. It was the third. It was 33. Right. So it was 48. Yeah. So that's what it was.
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And so like I'm watching it and I'm just again, this is the coronation for RBY and
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he out RB wide RBY like all the athletic, the scrambles, the speed. And again, I'm sitting there
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and I'm like, you know, you try to pick things up that are, you know, gonna match your body style
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or match your athletic ability or match your explosiveness. And it's like, I've done things
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that looked like that, but it would have to look like that if you slow down him doing it in person
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because he does it that just an astonishing level and absolutely astonishing level. But we do need
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to come back around to the world of politics because some people might say that Donald Trump's
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hanging out with you over the weekend. Is that going to be the last time he's going to hang out
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before he gets arrested? Because what dominated the news cycle all weekend? Is that a former
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president? I believe for the first time ever is potentially going to be arrested. So, you know,
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guys have basically heard about it up to this point. You know, there's a DA in New York that
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had an axe to grind and they ground that axe all the way down. They signaled that they were going
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to do it. And wouldn't you know what? They think they found something a misdemeanor and they are going
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to get the photo op that they think they want to get. They want the former president and handcuffs.
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They want to do all these different things. Trump says he thinks he's going to be arrested Tuesday.
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It could be delayed a few days. It could never happen. We don't really know. Tell me what you
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know about the situation because I'm not going to sit here and let you tell me that y'all didn't
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talk about it at any point. Actually, we never. This is. Okay, Tony, we never spoke about it.
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We talked, we talked politics this much. He was there for wrestling. That was it. Now,
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that doesn't mean that I'm not spun up on some of the details on what's going on.
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But between him and I, it's the only time we've ever said and visited and not talked politics.
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And we visited the entire time. And he was just all about the wrestling that day. That's all he
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was. He was even, he even said this one time. He said, because the crowd just loved him. I mean,
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from the moment he walked in to everything else, he's like, why? He says, why is this? Why is this
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crowd? I mean, he said, why is this crowd? Love me. And I said, because we're all fighters.
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I said, we see you as a fighter. You fight. We respect fighters. That's what the wrestling
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community is. I mean, we're a bunch of fighters that it's a small community too. And we all love
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each other too. I mean, honestly, we do. We hate each other when we're competing. Don't get
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it wrong. But we're going to be there when push comes to shove. You come out and you fill an
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application out for me for one of my companies and it says I wrestled, you go to the top of the list.
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It's a, it's a large, but small fraternity. And he kind of chuckled by that. And I said,
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the idea that you wrestled and most people in this arena never knew that. And the idea you're
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here, I said, they, that's, that's big for them. Now, getting back to the politics out of it,
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it's going to be very difficult for him to actually get arrested. Now, keep in mind,
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this is a DA that is, that's in the state. He's protected president. He, President Trump,
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is protected by federal secret services. The secret services job is protect from two things.
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Harassment or actually three things harassment, embarrassment, and death. That's their job,
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their job for the rest of their life on President Trump and any ex president and current president
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or any other person that's there, that they're on or anybody that in protective service detail
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work, like I used to do, it's, it, there's three things. It's harassment, embarrassment, and death.
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There is no way secret service is going to allow them to take a picture with President Trump being
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marched in and handcuffs. And I think it's going to be very difficult for them to actually get
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custody of President Trump. He is their custody. So they're going to take him and, and put him into
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a prison or into a jail cell, not a chance. That isn't because then they lose control
18:13
of their principal for the rest of our, for the rest of his life. We are to protect that
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president. Why? Because he has information that is detrimental to the United States if it were to
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get out. So there is, there is, there is, that's going to be difficult for them to take that. Now,
18:29
could they put, could they file charges and say that he's got to be there? They can even put a
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restaurant out. I don't, I don't know if they do or not. But if they did arrest him,
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it would almost guarantee him the presidency in two years. I mean, because people that were kind
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of, I kind of wish President Trump wouldn't run. I'm not saying that's me. I'll obviously endorse
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him. I'm just saying I've heard that from people to say, Hey, let's move on. Let's go get another
18:53
president. We love him. Love what he did for the country. Uh, loved his policy. Maybe didn't care
18:59
too much for his antics. I hear that all the time. I mean, I think you'd probably, you'd probably say
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you've heard that too. But they love his policy. He was good for America. A lot of those people are
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saying maybe it's time for somebody else. Um, but they still vote for him. If they were to arrest him,
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all those people that were like, eh, they're like, okay, fine. You keep screwing with him. You
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keep messing with him. You won't leave him alone. He needs to run just to get you guys off their back
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enough enough. And, and that's the, that's what's going to end up happening if they end up going
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through with this, which is so stupid because everybody knows it's nothing but political because
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if we want to dig down, there was plenty of crap we could have went after the, the Clintons with.
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I mean, plenty of stuff. Sure. Um, Hillary or, or, or Bill, I'm not, I wouldn't say the same with
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Obama. That wasn't the same thing. There really wasn't everybody just upset about him being, uh,
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President Obama, they just didn't like him. Uh, but that doesn't make it criminal. But let me tell you,
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Biden Biden, Biden, but this Biden stuff, it smells really, really, really, really bad.
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And, and they better know that too. Going forward, Biden's not going to be in office. Most people
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think it's more than likely he's not going to run in two years. Uh, and if he does, he may not win.
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Tip for that happens. And, and they know that's going to happen that they got to realize that this
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is, it's going to come back and bite them if they do this. So a couple of things on that. So
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I've heard the same sentiment. If they get her, if he gets arrested, it basically guarantees that he
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at least wins the nomination, if not the entire thing. Right. I would be inclined to believe that
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because I heard the same thing after the Mar-a-Lago raid and that I haven't really heard anything
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about it for months. The other thing is, is we're like a year and a half away from the general
20:49
election. And so if he does ride this wave through to getting the Republican ticket and then going,
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it's like that people are going to forget like they're not fired up there. I can't see people
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being fired up three weeks from now, much less a year and a half from now. So, so that's one
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thing. The second thing that I would say on that is, I guess I'm cautious about the Democrats and
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they're, I don't want to give 3D chess ideas to people and to, and to say that. And I just assume
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that people that that hold office, no offense are not really the smartest amongst us. They're
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there's just the ones that got elected, right? No offense by that. I'll take that. Absolutely.
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I'm not reminded by that at all. However, because you know, you've seen them, right? Yeah. Hey,
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that's why I'm in my studio and you're in your house. But like the thing about it is, is like
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Democrats during the midterms, they, they would push the some people that they thought would be
21:44
easier to beat through the Republican primaries and it worked out gangbusters formed during the
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midterms. And so let's just say, let's just suspend belief here. Let's say this is like
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some 3D underwater chess going on. They want Donald Trump to run because they think he's
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super beatable by Joe Biden or any random Democrat that they put in there that has half a pulse.
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Do you see that being the case? Because like, I don't, because they kind of did that in 2016
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and it bit him in the butt in a big way, I just don't know that they're going to do that again
22:14
and make the same mistake. They hate. They hate President Trump and they're blinded by anything
22:20
else but that. The hatred for him by the, by the left is so real and so blinding. It's, it is,
22:30
it's sad and laughable at the same time. And, and just to get this, but just by digging, digging,
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digging, digging, digging, they've been digging for six years on this guy for anything they could
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find. And it's taken him six years to actually find something that they think they can go after
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him with. If they dug on your life for six years, they could probably find something.
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You're going to, you're going to mess up on a tax return. Maybe as small as it could be,
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but they can make that small little issue and say it was tax evasion. If they dug in on anybody
23:05
inside the United States, I don't care who you are, they're going to find something eventually
23:12
to dig on you. So the fact that it's taken him six years, honestly speaks volume, but they're,
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they, it's not because they are, it's not because they are, they're wanting to put him there. It's
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because the, the, the DA, or the, the prosecutor attorney has, they, they ran on this. This is what
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they're on. This is what, this is what their AG ran on. This is, this is what the governor of,
23:43
of, of New York ran on. I mean, you, you have politicians that campaigned on throwing President
23:50
Trump in jail. I mean, you go all the way back to his first midterm election and in 2018,
23:59
you had, you had Democrats that came into the house and came into the Senate that campaigned
24:04
about peaching and throwing, and throwing the president into jail. So they are trying to fulfill
24:10
a campaign promise, not thanking what the 2024 presidential election is going to look like.
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So Mark Wayne, I'm curious. What are your thoughts about what this looks like
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for the future? Because it's scary. Again, well, the, the phrase banana republic has been thrown
24:27
around quite a bit like, oh, you know, the Marlaga raid was banana republic stuff. And this is kind
24:31
of banana republic stuff. So it's not quite the same as you literally sending out, you know,
24:36
a black grad team of guys with, you know, in force, you know, taking the former president out of his
24:41
house and throwing him in a jail cell and throwing the key way. Like that's banana republic stuff.
24:45
But this, this feels more than icky. This feels more than political. This feels like hate. It's
24:51
kind of like what you said. They're blinded by it. And I see this Mark Wayne, because you don't
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deal in this world as much as I do. But even like the evangelical world, I feel like 2016 broke the
25:01
brains of a lot of pastors certainly broke the brains of a lot of people in the news media and
25:04
in politics. But it's like people just couldn't get over how much they hated this man. And their
25:10
excitement at any possible thing. They latched on to the first impeachment last on to the second
25:16
impeachment latched on to the Russia gate. They latch on to everything because they're like
25:20
orange man bad. He needs to go down. But what kind of precedent does this set? Because I'm not so
25:26
naive to think that Republicans wouldn't do the same thing. Now I don't think they have the same
25:30
capacity for immorality and evil. But you know, it's kind of crazy to me.
25:35
Well, I'll first of all, most people that throw banana republic around, it's because of the term
25:41
that they cut off social media or they remember it on from a news cycle. They don't actually understand
25:46
what a banana banana republic looks like or what is what what a coup is. Because they they haven't
25:54
they haven't ever experienced it. And they really haven't ever studied it or even looked into it.
25:59
Unfortunately, I'll tell you, I was in that camp until I got into office. In fact, I was in that
26:04
camp until probably four years ago, five years ago. And when I started working with
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it's called HDP House Democracy Committee, where we we went around and we stood up and
26:22
worked with democracies that were trying to come out of a of a of a coup or of a communist country
26:33
or a dictator. And we dealt with this. We worked with countries that were that were in a coup
26:39
or that was dealing with banana republic. And so I I've always cautioned people to throw out
26:44
those extreme terms because they had different meanings around the world. And so when we use those
26:49
terms, we we play right in the hands of of what Russia and China wants to rest the world to look
26:55
at us like, because they want the rest of world to think we are a banana republic. We are a unique
27:01
republican. No one else is going to have another republic like us because we have been a free
27:06
country from conception. And and so we have we have no concept of anything else. I don't mean
27:12
to get on a soapbox and that but that's what I'm going to use. Now, as you say in republic,
27:17
republicans could use this same thing. Of course, we have we have definitely we're we're definitely
27:23
tired of what's taking place and it's time for them to to reap what they've sowed. But I'll go back
27:31
to when when Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election, there was a opportunity for us to to bring
27:44
charges against her, especially with some of the stuff that she had done with her and her
27:53
clearances with her with her servers, with the misleading information that she was given, which is
28:00
misleading means she lied outright lied while she was investigating investigating or why she's
28:06
been investigated. There was a lot of information about what had happened and how she used the
28:13
democrat committee to to to form alliances with organizations, which is campaign fraud. And so
28:22
there was a lot of information that could have been and should have been looked at. But we were
28:26
actually very cautious about it, because we knew that Russia and China wanted us to do this.
28:33
There'd be nothing more than they would want President Trump, especially as volatile and as
28:39
as much turmoil as a country was in going out of the 2016 election and and everything that was
28:45
happening around the country in the first couple years of the presidents of President Trump's time
28:52
in office, there was nothing more than they would have loved to see in the middle of that of us
28:58
hauling the formal first lady, President Trump's opponent into court and charging her. And so we
29:06
didn't want to play into the propaganda hand of of honestly of the Communist Party that's trying
29:13
to make us look weak. They're wanting to influence us because the weaker we look, the more they go
29:18
to these countries and say, look, look what a mess they are. This is what you want. This is what you
29:22
want in your country. And so there's a lot of this that plays into into the world stage. And so we
29:29
had to make a decision. Do we just let it go and try to move forward as a country? And that was what
29:35
we decided to do as Republicans in 2016, 2017, working with President Trump at the time, we had
29:42
made a decision that it was best for us to try to try moving on and leave this alone. And that's
29:50
what's so frustrating to all of us because the Democrats do this. The Clintons knew this that we
29:57
could have went after them. But because we made a decision that was based on the country's best
30:04
needs, not on what we wanted to do, but what we felt like was best for the country, we purposely
30:09
decided not to, and then to see them come after President Trump, you got to understand there's a
30:15
lot more anger behind Trump because Trump made that decision too. We made that decision. So there's
30:22
a lot of anger that said, hold on, you came back after we gave you an olive olive branch. You came
30:29
back and literally bent our fingers off. And now you're trying to bite our head off. So yeah,
30:35
you're going to see a little bit more aggressive behavior from us because when we tried to get to
30:42
let it go and try to move forward, they came after us. So I think there will definitely be,
30:48
and I wouldn't even call it tit for tat like I did before, there'll be there'll be a lot of
30:53
people held accountable for what they've done, but especially as many holes as happened with
30:59
the Biden administration and with the Biden family, you're going to definitely be
31:04
see us going after trying to hold them accountable.
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This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs. It seems like the word I would almost use would be
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reckoning that there will be a reckoning coming because you do see conservatives pushing back way
31:44
harder. Excuse me on the social issues than they ever have because again, people have to realize
31:50
that there are a lot of issues that don't have a moderate position. There are some that do like
31:55
immigration policy or tax policy or things like that. Those have a moderate position.
31:58
But whether or not we should allow doctors to mutilate children because they think they're
32:03
the opposite sex, there's no moderate position on that. There's no moderate position on protecting
32:07
life inside the womb. It's binary. It's either that's a life worthy of protection or it's not.
32:12
And so there's a whole lot that that could be more that could be said there, but to agree,
32:16
we kind of need to see how the week grows out. You start thinking about it's super critical.
32:19
If it fits their agenda, age doesn't matter. If it doesn't fit their agenda, age matters.
32:24
I mean, you're old enough to make a decision to alter your life for the rest of your life
32:29
at six years old and decide you want a sex change. And you can go, I don't know if it's six,
32:36
it may be nine. I'm just throwing out a time there, but it's way before you're even a teenager.
32:41
You can decide and states are trying to say, well, you only have if your parents don't
32:45
want to give you permission, that's fine. The school will handle it because we know what's best
32:49
for the kids. So you're going to be able to make that decision, but yet you're not old enough to buy
32:53
gun until you're 21, 25, or just all together, you can't handle it. So we're just trying to get
32:59
away from the second amendment. I mean, I do the same thing about tobacco. You know, 18,
33:04
you're not smart enough, but you're old able to sign up for the United States military services,
33:11
whatever branch you decide to go into. And you can die for this country, but you can't buy tobacco,
33:16
or you can't buy alcohol and I don't drink and I don't smoke, don't dip. So it's no, but the age
33:21
limits to me seems like it only fits their agenda. But when it fits their when it fits their agenda,
33:27
they got to the age doesn't matter. Yeah, that's certainly a thing that it's definitely hypocritical.
33:33
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense philosophically. But to them, it's like, okay,
33:35
they've fought this way. They fought dirty for long enough. Republicans and conservatives seem
33:40
to be wanting to be like, okay, I'll get dirty. I'll get down in the mud with you too on social
33:44
issues. And now that seems to be moving to the political realm as well. So we'll see how that
33:47
plays out throughout the week. But before we get you out of here, you kind of went viral
33:52
a few weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, because you got in a little dust up with a labor leader,
33:58
who's a leader of the team that you said it, I didn't, but he's the leader of the Teamsters
34:03
Union. His name's Sean O'Brien. And so, you know, if people haven't seen the clip,
34:07
guys, I'll put it in the show notes. He can watch the whole clip yourself and you can decide
34:10
whatever you want to decide about it. But tell me set it up for me. Like, why was he there? Why
34:15
were you there? And then what caused this friction between you and this guy that, you know, kind
34:19
of led to y'all kind of, you know, getting in this dust up in front of everybody?
34:22
Well, Sean O'Brien, he's the, he's the union boss for the Teamsters. And Bernie Sanders is
34:32
the chairman of this committee. And he's just, you know, Bernie's, he's an open socialist, right?
34:38
So socialist wants people to rule everything. So they, so he's very, very pro union on everything.
34:45
And the whole, the whole part of the committee hearing was about union busting and that they wanted
34:53
to take away secret balloting. And for, for unions being able to vote for employees union,
35:00
willing to vote if they wanted to go union or non-union. And what that means is, is that
35:05
secret balloting means you take your, your ballot and you put it into secret ballot like you would
35:09
when you vote for the president of the United States. But what they want to do is they want
35:13
someone to watch you, they want a union member to watch over every ballot. When you, when you fill
35:22
out your ballot, a union member has to be present. Why do you feel it out? And it sounds like
35:27
intimidation. 100% intimidation. Then they wanted, then they want to also do away with the right
35:32
to work states like Oklahoma. Oklahoma has actually pretty thriving unions, which I'm not against
35:38
unions. If you want to be part of union, by all means be part of union. If that's what your choice
35:43
but a right to work state is a state that says, I can go work for a union shop, but I don't have
35:48
to join the union because I don't support their ideas. I don't want my union dues supporting Joe
35:54
Biden. I don't want my union dues supporting Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg. I want my union,
36:01
I want to keep my money and, and decide how I want to spend it. And so during this hearing,
36:06
they were giving their testimonies and what they're, and then during their testimonies,
36:09
they were just demonizing CEOs of companies that they were, that they were intimidating
36:16
their employees because everybody would want to be a union member, but they are threatening their
36:20
employees. If they do this, they're not going to have a job. They said that they were saying that
36:26
union shops are safer for females because non union shops are open for sexual harassment and,
36:35
and sexual assault. And they said that union shops are less racist and that non union shops
36:43
are racist in nature because they're, they're, they're all out for themselves and that CEOs are
36:49
just billionaire pigs. And so when it was my time, I, I, I use the example when they, when the union
36:56
is tried to unionize me in 2008, 2009, 2010, they tried to unionize me. And you're talking about
37:03
intimidation. They'd show up my house. They'd be leaned up against my truck and out of, in Oklahoma
37:09
for your listeners, you don't lean against somebody's truck unless you want to be punched in the mouth,
37:13
unless you were invited to lean against that truck. I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's just
37:18
what way we are. And they would be outside my shop. They were showing up at my shop. One thing
37:23
that people don't realize is that a union, if you, if you're in a right to work state, a union
37:28
organization that is over that organization for us as pipefitters, they can literally walk into
37:33
your shop in any door, any filing cabinet that is open, they had the right to go through. So you
37:39
have to seal all those areas off. I didn't know this. And so the person, they walked into my shop
37:44
and started going through on my paperwork and I told them to get out. They said they didn't have
37:47
to get out and I physically removed somebody from my office. So you don't have the right to be in
37:51
here. And then I found out, well, they can, if I don't have it all sold off, you're talking about
37:55
intimidation. They were standing out in front of my, in front of our job sites with these huge
38:01
signs for a year that said shame on Mullen for what? And I brought that up to him and he didn't
38:07
want to hear about it. He kept coming back at me about it. And, and then I said, what job do you
38:12
create? What job? Give me one job that you created because he's demonizing the CEOs, the owners like
38:19
me, who create the jobs that hire his members. And he demonizes all of them. He says, we're all
38:27
just filthy crooks. And this guy is the same guy who's been charged with multiple misdemeanors
38:34
for intimidating people and for harassing people. And he's actually been on record saying he wants
38:41
to bring the mob mentality back to the teamsters. And so when he came after me, I was just like, man,
38:48
I don't deal with bullies. I'm, I'm five foot nine. I grew up with a really bad speech impediment.
38:55
And he used to have braces on my legs. I know what being bullied is. I learned to fight out of
39:01
necessity because I couldn't argue with you and I couldn't outrun you. And so I have a, I have a,
39:05
I have a very deep conviction about pushing in to bullies. And that's what he was. And so when he
39:14
came after me, I told him, I said, man, you shut your mouth. And I don't think you like that. And I
39:18
didn't really don't care. And what's interesting about this is that my death threats went through the
39:22
roof. And a lot of people got pretty concerned by it. But I was like, I'm, I'm not because you're
39:28
not going to sit there and say something that's not true. There's a reason why unions in the 1950s
39:35
represent a 30% of the workforce. And a day they're less than 9%. There's a reason for that.
39:41
It's not that we don't have less employees, it's that people are sick of their antics.
39:45
In Oklahoma, honestly, because we are right to work state, a lot of our unions thrive.
39:50
Good on them. As I said, I'm not against unions. I'm against bullying. And, and, and if you have
39:57
a right to work state and you get the employees the right to choose if they want to be in a union
40:02
or not to union, then let your merit stand alone. Let your merit stand alone. The reason why my
40:08
shop didn't go union is because I paid better and had better benefits. And I was a better work
40:12
environment for them. And my, my shop just said not to join a union. But if your shop decides to
40:18
join the union, then good on it. But then you don't force employees to join it. And don't,
40:24
don't talk to me about intimidation when you're not okay with secret balloting. Because as you said,
40:29
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Well, it's intimidating. And also, when you go back and study any of the elections that
41:16
happened, like, you know, Tammany Hall, the stuff that happened in New York and things like that,
41:19
yes, they were, you know, taking people in and having them vote, and then they were
41:22
shaving them and bringing them back and they were doing all these different things. But the overall
41:26
point was intimidation. It's like, we are smarter than you. We are better than you. We know what
41:31
needs to happen. We need to get this guy in office and this place, and you're just going to be
41:35
a pawn in our scheme. And whenever you tie that in to your work environment, which immediately goes
41:42
to, because if you're kind of a go along to get a long guy, and this is your job to support your
41:46
family, do you want to be the guy that looks your wife in the eye or your kids in the eye and says,
41:50
hey, dad, I had to leave his job on principle. Sorry, we're not going to be able to eat this week.
41:54
That's not something that a lot of these guys and gals that work at these places can do.
41:58
And so whenever you try to strong arm people and put them under your thumb,
42:02
that is the mob mentality. That's how you can control people. And so I'm glad you push back
42:07
against them. Again, he didn't like it because again, a bully's just want to be told how right
42:12
they are. They don't ever want to be pushed back against. And again, he never made a claim
42:16
that refuted your claims. That's the other thing is where it's like, okay, sir, Senator, thank you
42:22
so much for what you said. Here's where I would correct the record on the things that you said,
42:25
and then lay it out there and then let the public decide. But he didn't do that. He kind of was
42:29
like, ah, whatever, I don't really need to listen to this and blah, blah. And he got all offended and
42:33
got all huffy. It's like, that's why when you're in a debate with people and I tell people all the
42:37
time, remain calm because the first person to yell loses. But also if you cannot cogently
42:42
and quietly explain your position and why the other person is wrong, yes, what you're going
42:47
to seem wrong. Like you are going to be the one that seems like this isn't going to work out well
42:51
for you. So is this the last we're going to see if you and Mr O'Brien or is there going to be
42:56
another chance for y'all to be in the same room? Well, if I'm betting, I would assume that
43:03
Bernie Sanders won't have the unions in his committee that I have to set on as often as
43:08
possible. I don't know if Sean will come back up or not. I kind of hope he does because there's a
43:14
lot more that needs to be said. And I'll probably approach it a little bit different because I
43:18
approached, I went right at him. I really did. I had I got locked on the bully real quick. There
43:24
was other union leaders that were there too, but they weren't quite as aggressive as Sean.
43:28
So I'd probably approach it a tad bit different. I'm not going to say the outcome won't be any
43:33
different. But I think there's a lot of stuff they need to answer. So I hope he comes back
43:38
and we'll see. He just his office is literally a block and a half. The Teamsters Union Hall is
43:46
literally a block and a half from the Capitol. I'm going to assume it's not going to be the
43:51
last time y'all are going to be in the same room. But who knows? Y'all could end up being buddies at
43:54
some point down the road. Maybe you can get him into jujitsu and then y'all can just settle it on
43:58
the mat. You know, you know, we can all have our dreams. But hey, I'm open. I'm open. I can, I can,
44:03
I can let relationships build. But I have a feeling that sometimes you're just too far separate. And
44:09
I think him and I are probably there. Yeah, some people are just oil and water. But there's more stuff
44:14
to talk about. But you're out of time. That's all for me. Is there anything else you want to get
44:16
off your chest? I'm good, brother. I appreciate you having me on Mark Wayne Mullen. Thank you again
44:20
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