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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Mark Wayne Mullen, I would do my normal introduction,
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but it's very distracting, there's people in the couch behind you.
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I mean, come on, put them in the floor or something, get them out of the shot.
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Yeah, it's kind of weird, but you're pretty distracting too,
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because I'm looking at you in my side, you're really dark,
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and I like to see you look at the little mini eyes.
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I've got these weird settings, and I don't know how to fix them.
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Your beard is blended into the background, so I like to see
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his arms flailing when you talk, and your eyes moving,
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and your white little ear pods in your ears, that's it.
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How about now?
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No, you still look awful.
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Well, this is a great way to start, however,
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I'm going to give you a couple of options.
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I never give you options here on this show,
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but we're either going to talk about something fun
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or something not fun to start, so you get to choose.
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To start?
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To start.
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So we're going to finish, so not fun to start and finish fun.
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You know what, this isn't your show, so we're going to start with fun.
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Okay, how about that, I'm driving the ship, I'm the captain now, okay?
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Yeah, no, what, what do you guys want? Bad news first, it's one news.
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I want to go to bad news first, so I can end on a positive note.
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I swear to you, we're starting with fun stuff because
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the state that you represent Mark Wayne Mullen, Oklahoma,
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we've got us a World Championship now, because as of Sunday
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of this week, the Oklahoma City Thunder that we stole from Seattle, sorry about you.
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They won Game 7, the NBA Finals here in Oklahoma City.
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The town is a buzz.
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There's all kinds of crazy excitement and things going on right now.
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So what are your thoughts as a senator of the great state of Oklahoma,
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representing the great state of Oklahoma?
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Super, super, super proud of the state, but I can't pretend like I'm
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with this huge basketball fan because I'm, I'm, I'm not.
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I think it's wonderful for the Thunder.
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I think the, the vision that Clay had to bring them to the, to Oklahoma,
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we didn't steal them from Seattle.
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Seattle decided not to invest in them and Oklahoma did.
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We've embraced them every since they've been here.
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I was a, I was a ticket holder.
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Our company was a huge ticket holder when they first came in to make sure
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that they had a sell, sold out arena.
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Now the fans take it over and I mean, it's, it's, it's one of the best fan bases,
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literally in the NBA.
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But if you, if I, I hate, I'm just being transparent here.
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I watched my first game on Game 7, Sunday night.
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I, I, I, I've said this multiple times that we're wrestling family.
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We're vertically challenged.
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There isn't anybody in my family that's over six foot tall.
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Wrestling is what we do.
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Two boys wrestled, wrestled Oklahoma State.
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One wrestles at OU and the other three girls all wrestle for Bixby High School.
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And so I, this is our saying that the side-eyed door on a basketball floor
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wrestling match door to tour.
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I know you've heard that, uh, but you know, it's a, it's still really cool because,
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uh, and not only was it exciting, but actually present Trump,
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was trying to come to the game, uh, Sunday, Sunday night too.
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But obviously some things took place Saturday that prevented that from happening.
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But he was excited because as him and I were visiting, he was like, you know,
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this is probably the only NBA crowd I could go to,
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that everybody in the stands still love me.
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And I was like, that is, that is, that is very true.
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Um, as far as the NBA game goes to, that place would go nuts if you were there.
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But because of some world events that took place, he wasn't, he wasn't able to make it,
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but it was going to be a good surprise.
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We were going to keep it very quiet.
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He was going to show up, be announced, uh, and, uh, and it was going to,
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I, I thought the place would go, would go crazy at that point.
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Well, yeah, but anyways, it was neat.
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That would have been something.
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You know, my brother, by the way, my brother goes to every single game.
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He's the one that sits on the, uh, down by the bench and has the cowboy hat, the,
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the blue, you know, cowboy hat that is, head is about as big as his hat is.
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Uh, that's, that's my, my brother.
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He seemed to be all over the news the last week, um, as a, as a huge fan.
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He even was going to Indiana and watching him play a game six and, uh,
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I think he went game six and was it game through game two?
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Think game two?
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Was that Indiana?
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Is that right?
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Uh, game two is an Oklahoma city.
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Uh, three and four and six were in Indianapolis.
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Yeah. So three, he went to game three and game six in, in Indiana.
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Yeah.
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He wasn't going to fit in there with the cowboy hat on.
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I will say I'm pretty sure I know that we were the hat in the Indiana.
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He wore that same big fluffy blue cowboy hat in Indiana too.
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And I said, how did it go?
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He said, actually people treated me like a celebrity.
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It was fun.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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Well, I can say, uh, you know, you gave one reason why Trump didn't show up.
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The reason he probably didn't show up is because the thunder star player, S.J.'s Canadian.
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I don't know that I would have came and supported him.
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You know, like it's just, we can't.
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That's a ridiculous story.
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No, we want, we want, we want maple syrup.
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That's all we want from Canada.
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But you know, we'll keep SGA at least for now.
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But obviously there have been some, uh, world of inside Donald Trump has been very,
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very involved in.
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So Israel attacks, uh, Iran starting on June the 13th taking out nuclear facilities and
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some of their, uh, their leadership.
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And then on the 22nd, we get in on the action where we took out some of the remaining,
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most important places in their nuclear arsenal, then on the 23rd, right?
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So earlier this week, Trump announced a full ceasefire between Iran, the U S and Iran,
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calling it, uh, Israel, the U S and Iran, calling it the 12 days war.
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And then Iran kind of had their kind of sort of retaliation.
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They're safe-faced thing where they shot some missiles off, uh, out of one of our
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bases in Qatar.
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But at the same time, they gave us a heads up.
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It was coming.
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So none of the missiles got anywhere close.
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No one and nothing got damaged by the entire thing.
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But obviously this is all anyone can talk about.
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It's very interesting seeing the split even amongst Republicans.
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You have, you know, kind of the non-interventionalist wing that doesn't want us to get involved
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in anything overseas, no matter what the consequences.
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And then you have people that are, you know, considered, uh, neocons or war hawks that are like
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all about this.
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There's a whole lot that can be said about this.
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But from your perspective as a United States Senator and a supporter of Donald Trump,
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what is your read on the situation and how this was handled by the White House?
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Well, let me unpack a lot of that stuff you said.
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First of all, the division and the Republican Party isn't, it doesn't exist.
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We did a big poll.
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Uh, the National Republican Committee did a big poll to just kind of see where everybody
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was at.
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And, um, 90% of actually 98% agreed with the president being proactive.
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90% strongly agreed with him.
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So the outliers that the left media is trying to say that the Republican Party split on it.
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It's really talking about Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, uh, these individuals that chase conspiracy
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theories and that are isolationist.
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And, and I get, I can get some of their reasons for being isolationist, but actually,
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isolationist just allows somebody else to control the world trade and the world economy.
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Therefore, they also control the world currency and it backs us up, up, into a kernel, uh,
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into a corner, corner.
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I mean, um, so I, I, I, the Republican Party is not split.
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The most the world feels like we're in a must safer place.
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No one thought that Iran being the number one sponsor of terror around the world should
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have a nuclear weapon.
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Uh, if they were to ever have a nuclear weapon, then we'd have to deal with them at that point,
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too, because for 40 years, they've been killing Americans, uh, they have either directly or
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indirectly through proxies of, of, of Hezbollah, uh, Houthis, um, Hamas or other terrorist
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organizations around the world, they were responsible for killing or wounding or actually
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killing over a thousand, either service members or civilians around the world and wounding
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thousands because remember, some, solemn, Molly, it's not that's where I'm money.
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So, yeah, I don't, I'm having a hard time pronouncing words right now.
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He was a one, he was a creator of the IED and specialized in making it more dangerous.
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And so there's, we have, unfortunately, we have thousands of service members from the United States
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that are permanently wounded, uh, be it either from limbs or eyes or whatever, because of IEDs.
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So this was, this was Iran doing this.
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Now, if they were to get a nuclear weapon, how would we deal with them?
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Because we were going to deal with them with or without a nuclear weapon.
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The idea that we did dealt with them now was being proactive.
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And that's what peace through strength looks like.
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Being precise with your targeting, um, these non-sayers or, or these naysayers like, uh,
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Tucker Carlson and, uh, Steve Bannon saying gasoline's going up to $30 a gallon.
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And we're going to be in a forever war, well, we wasn't because reason why is when we started
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this fight, we knew exactly what our objective was.
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And it was to not, uh, uh, cause regime change.
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That's up to our, uh, Iranian people.
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It was, it was to eliminate their nuclear systems so they could not ever have a nuclear weapon.
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Now we can take out the facilities.
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We can't take out the knowledge and knowledge they have still exists.
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So they're still going to be more work done to prevent them from rebuilding their process.
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But, you know, the, the other thing you said is that the 12-day war was announced at end.
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The ceasefire was announced after, uh, Iran said face and shot, um, the 14, uh, um, uh,
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ballistic missiles towards, uh, Qatar, which was our joint air force base we have there.
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But they gave us a heads up where we had already moved out assets.
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We also knew it was going because they didn't want to escalate either.
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Although they had to have some type of propaganda.
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And of course, their propaganda is they did grave damage to the, um, uh, to, you know,
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Satan as to what they call us.
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And they did grave damage and we warned them not to ever come back in our airspace again.
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President Trump didn't take the bait.
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He went out of media on true social and said, thank you for the heads up.
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Um, we appreciate it.
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Now, escalations can stop.
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If you will accept it, we would like to normalize relationships.
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Let's move on.
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And then last night when that ceasefire was announced,
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they shot a small barrage of missiles towards Israel.
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Once again, it's like arguing with my wife who I love dearly.
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But even if I'm right, I still know she's going to get the last word.
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So I just have to stop the argument at some point.
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That's like with Iran, you know, they're going to have to say the last word,
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even though they'll give you a heads up.
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They kind of gave a little heads up.
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Hey, we're going to shoot a few missiles at you.
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Israel was, uh, in my opinion, probably overreacting by scrambling jets and going into the airspace.
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President Trump being a leader because the leader leads from front,
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immediately got on, uh, got out there and said, hey, let's not do this.
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Turn the planes around.
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Guess what?
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They turn the planes around.
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Now it's up to, uh, Iran and Israel who have been at war,
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either directly or indirectly for the existence of Israel,
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essentially, actually ever since the Ayatollah came in place in 1979.
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Um, and, and they've got to figure out how this works between the two.
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But I, I believe because of President Trump being proactive in this,
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for the first time since the Ayatollah has been in place, which was 1979,
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we might actually see a de-escalation of conflict in that region,
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and they could possibly start seeing actual peace.
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Now that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a hopeful assumption,
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but it's given them the opportunity to do so.
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Uh, the rest, what happens in Iran, as far as the leadership,
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will be up to the Iranian people if they choose to keep the Ayatollah in place,
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or if they choose to pick a new leadership,
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which would cause, you know, quite a bit of uprising.
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One other thing I want to point out to this,
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for some people that may not understand the history of Iran,
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prior to 1979, when we had the shal in and prior to that,
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going all the way back to the '50s, when actually they had more of a democratic legal
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leader chosen, they were, they were actually an ally of ours.
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Actually, they were considered a western state in the mid-east.
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It were, they, were, they had, they had more resemblance with us,
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and was very pro-western with their approach to society,
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and their approach to, to leadership, than, uh, than any other, uh, country in the mid-east,
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other than when Israel was, was getting stood up.
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So there, it's not that lost on people where they used to be,
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and we could have a great relationship with the Iranian people,
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and I've made this point multiple times, Kyle.
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This fight was never towards the Iranian people.
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This, this point, this fight was towards the regime that has been aggressively attacking
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the United States for 40 years and eliminating their nuclear program.
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That's, that's, that's what this was about.
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We did it, we got in, and it's an opportunity for peace now.
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And so with that in mind, and I've said this before,
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I think the idea that there will be lasting peace between Israel and Iran is a bit foolish
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because Iran's express purpose for existence is destroying their great Satan's, which are
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Israel, the Jews, and America.
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Not Iran, the Ayatollah is regime, not Iran.
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So let's talk about regime.
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So you have the peace process. I kind of got real fed up over the last week hearing about,
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oh, we don't want another regime change war.
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It's like, okay, two things.
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Number one, we can't pretend like every single war that's ever going to happen from
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here on out is going to be just like the Iraq war.
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We can't assume that.
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And secondly, every war is technically a regime change war.
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World War II, we didn't want the Axis powers to stay in power.
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Every war is a regime change war.
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But I agree with you and it makes the most sense that it's the people of Iran that have to decide
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are the Ayatollahs going to stay in power or are they not?
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I'm just curious, Mark Wayne, for the United States specifically,
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what is our role moving forward after we've done this just incredible mission,
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which took out all these nuclear facilities and things like that in support of Israel,
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as we move forward, is there like a red line?
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Not like an Obama red line in Syria, but is there like a red line to where it's like,
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okay, if this happens, then we're going to have to interject ourselves again?
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Yeah, so I would probably disagree with you.
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Every war is about regime change and just history speaking here.
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There was a time that the Nazis, I hate to say it,
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but the Nazis could have probably surrendered.
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They chose not to fight to the death because of the Reich's theory that they had
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and they had a delusional leader in Ayatollah.
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We didn't have a regime change in Japan.
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That wasn't what it was about.
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Because every time you have a regime change,
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you have to have a government to stand it back up.
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And without a government to stand it back up, you have chaos,
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which is what happened during the Arab Spring with Hillary Clinton,
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being the Secretary of State in Libya, in Syria, and we could go on.
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And it has just now started settling down.
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It took 15 years, if you want to say, to shake a lot of that stuff loose.
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So when we say we're not interested in a regime change,
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we're not interested in a regime change
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because there's not a government to stand it up.
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However, if the people chose to rise up against the Ayatollah,
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as you go through that process, then the people themselves,
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they would find a leader that would be a leader of the opposition
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that would automatically be the transition into the government.
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That's why it's better for any type of regime change,
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not for an outside entity to be the one leading it,
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but for the people of Iran to lead it, if they so choose so.
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Now, the Iranian leadership underneath the Ayatollah
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is a group of people that you can't really trust.
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I mean, that's evident, you can't trust.
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However, they're not suicidal.
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The difference between Saddam Hussein and the Ayatollah
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is Saddam Hussein was delusional.
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I mean, you could clearly see that when he was going through his trial process,
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he saw himself as this great leader and almost as God almost.
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And so he was delusional about what could actually happen
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and what America's might and power could be.
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The Ayatollah is well aware of it, which is why he was like,
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"You know what, we're not going to escalate this,
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and we're going to look for a way to get out of this."
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And he did it, and we were ending it, and as I'll go back to this,
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when he ended and when he started war or a fight like this,
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you got to know what victory looks like.
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And I would argue that in Afghanistan,
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we should have probably got out after Osama bin Laden was taken out.
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I can't say that for all veterans and everybody that fought in that fight,
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either in uniform or through an agency or through a different way.
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But I will speak for myself after Osama bin Laden was taken out.
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I thought that was our time for us to leave, and we didn't,
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because we didn't have to find victory of what victory in Afghanistan looked like.
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This was much, much different.
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Our whole mission was to take out their nuclear sites full stop.
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We did that.
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Yeah, and I think at this point, I mean, you mentioned Saddam Hussein.
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I think Saddam Hussein thought he thought he was Nebuchadnezzar from the Bible,
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like reincarnated, like that's something that people said around him.
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He didn't believe in the authority of the Bible or even the historicity of the Bible,
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but he thought he was Nebuchadnezzar.
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So it was a different level with a guy like that.
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So I appreciate all the perspective on Israel and Iran and the United States's involvement there.
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And before we get you out of here,
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I did have a question specifically pertaining to the one big, beautiful bill.
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I mean, we keep hearing about this thing.
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Okay, now it's in y'all's hands.
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There's a lot of questions, but my audience, a lot of guys from my audience
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are very concerned about a particular provision.
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I think it's section 301 where it's the selling off of American land.
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So somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.2 to 3.3 million acres of federal lands
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across 11 states.
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I've seen Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico,
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Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming.
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This would exclude national parks.
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It would exclude monuments, designated wilderness areas, blah, blah, blah.
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But my conservation list, hunting friends, they're like, wait a minute.
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They're going to sell off millions of dollars worth of land that we've spent,
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you know, growing up fishing and hunting and doing all those different things.
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I can't seem to get a good sense of how did this get into the bill to begin with?
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Is it actually in the bill?
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Is it going to make it through the Senate process?
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Like, is it going to be signed into existence?
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And is this actually going to go down?
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So if you could clear that up for us, it would be helpful to my audience.
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Well, first of all, just right off the bat, Mike Lee, a senator from Utah, pulled it
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last night.
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So it's not in the bill.
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However, for thinking, Utah, and I'm going to get this number right.
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So somebody could Google it.
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You Google it right now and figure out.
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But somewhere over 70% of Utah is owned by federal land.
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So Utah let's state the people of Utah only gets to own and possess 30% of their own state.
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Now, can you imagine that happening in Oklahoma?
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So for the senator from Utah, it's like, you know, we're choked here.
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We can't grow anymore because it's 70% and it's over 70%.
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But we're just using the number of 70% of the land inside the state of Utah is owned by the federal government.
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Well, we also know the federal government doesn't actually do a great job managing land.
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In fact, they're horrible at managing land.
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And so there is a thought, could the state buy it back?
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Could some of it be bought back by the farmers?
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Because a tremendous amount of this is actually leased to farmers and the farmers are the ones
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that are taking care of it.
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And does the federal government really need to own all that land?
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And so it's not all hunting and fishing.
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It's about people in their state bill to actually purchase land in their own state
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and the state bill to grow in their own ability.
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And that's called state's rights.
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And so I get I'm a big hunter.
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I'm a big fisher.
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I my first deer to ever kill in by a bow or with a bow was with a York bow in the mountains of Colorado,
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just outside of rifle.
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And and I was, you know, I think I was 14 at the time.
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So I've been in the woods my whole life and I've hunted a lot of public land.
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But that was that that was a narrative that was drawled.
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That wasn't the narrative that was given plus the opportunity.
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This is another thing that we need to discuss that was part of this.
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The United States would still own the mineral rights.
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The problem that we have with with public land is it's nearly impossible to actually
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get the minerals underneath it versus private land.
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Private land, it's developed at a much larger pace.
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It doesn't get caught up in the politics as much,
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the meaning on the next president that comes in.
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We are we have more reserves underneath our public land right now
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than the country than the country of Saudi Arabia.
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But we don't get to it.
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We can't get to it because of all the permitting or regulations that require
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us through federal permitting.
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So the thought was is that this is a way that we could start an American fund
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to pay down a tremendous amount of debt not just by selling land,
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by allowing it to be developed by private developers.
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And then we still own the mineral rights much like any landowner
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where the where the mineral rights and the royalties coming off
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that would come to the United States of America.
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And we could start using it, as I said, to pay off our debt
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and to get our balance, our budget balance.
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So there's two sides of this except the narrative got
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drawled from the other side.
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However, as I said, it got pulled.
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I do think this is worth a bigger conversation down the road
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that we as as as Americans that basically, I guess you say,
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we own the public land could have the conversation.
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What's the best use of it?
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And should the federal government own that much land in any state
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or actually have the debate of how much acreage does the United States own
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the government of the United States own across the United States as a whole?
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Because it wouldn't fly, as I said, inside Oklahoma at all, if that was the case.
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Okay, I know you got a hard out.
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So by the next time you and I talk, is the one big, beautiful bill?
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Is it pass or is it not pass?
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Thumbs up, thumbs down.
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Pass, it'll pass.
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Our goal is to have this thing on the president's desk by July 4th.
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Okay, so can we get like a thunder up some sort of chant here at the end?
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Show that pride.
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Show your basketball fandom.
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Come on, give it to us.
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Give it to the people.
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I don't know what to say.
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Thunder up.
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I mean, that's it.
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You did it.
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That's that's all we needed from you.
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I appreciate it.
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Mark Wayne.
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All right.
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