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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Mark Wayne Mullen.
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Welcome back to the show.
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I just heard you ask your assistant for a sweet tea.
1:02
Now is that going to be like, I did not say sweet tea, you said tea, but everybody knows
1:09
what you mean.
1:10
Nobody in Oklahoma drinks like Earl Grey.
1:12
Come on now.
1:13
Well, you're going to, you're going to really make fun of me, actually going to be a hot
1:15
tea with, with honey in it because my throat's killing me.
1:20
Hey, I, I'm not going to give you the slightest bit of crap because before all my surgeries
1:25
and post surgery and all that, like it was throat coat tea with lemon and honey.
1:30
And I basically lived on that.
1:31
That was basically all we could do.
1:33
So make fun of me then, huh?
1:35
I'm not doing it.
1:36
I'm not going to make funny.
1:37
All right.
1:38
I hope you can guess what, when I drink it, I'm going to stick my pinky out when I drink
1:40
it too.
1:41
I hope you do.
1:42
And I also hope it's a little bit sweet.
1:43
So we can call it a sweet hot tea just for you, but glad we had a nice little fun talk
1:49
to this.
1:50
But I didn't want to move off of this because I didn't think that this story got enough
1:53
play, but former Senator, Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhof passed away this week.
1:59
And you know, you technically took over his seat and, you know, he spent, he represented
2:05
this great state of Oklahoma for over 30 years in the United States Senate.
2:09
I do want you to kind of give me your thoughts on Jim and his legacy, but also, I don't know
2:14
if you saw the Wall Street Journal headline on him, but it was former US Senator Jim Inhofe
2:20
climate change denier dies at the age of whatever, whatever.
2:24
And so like, I saw that I was like, it's not that hard to avoid being a [inaudible].
2:29
And so I guess the entire like a committee that came together and came up with that headline
2:35
and all the editors over at the Wall Street Journal, if they're just all gigantic bags
2:39
of [inaudible].
2:40
And so if you want to make a comment about that, you can, but let's just talk about Jim
2:43
a little bit.
2:44
Yeah.
2:45
So for CNN, the same headline New York Times, they're the same headline Wall Street Journal
2:50
to the settle.
2:51
I mean, I'm just like, come on, guys, give me, give me a break.
2:54
And if you actually listened to, to Senator Inhofe, he wasn't a climate denier.
2:57
He was a, he was a, he was a practical guy that said, explain to me when the climate
3:03
started warming and when it didn't, and I'm using, I'm paraphrasing his words.
3:06
He's like, okay, we want to talk about science and let's talk about science.
3:11
Let's talk about the ice age.
3:13
Let's talk about before humans, you know, we're actually here with a dinosaur, something
3:18
happened there.
3:19
Our climate has always been changing.
3:21
Why do we have climate cycles?
3:22
Now could we do better about clean the water?
3:24
And this was, he would, he would say stuff like this.
3:26
Could we do better about cleaning the water?
3:27
Could we do better about cleaning the trash?
3:29
Yes.
3:30
But when we started actually talking about climate change, how long have we actually been
3:33
studying the climate?
3:35
Because if archeologists will go through, and I heard him say this, you know, they'll
3:40
go through dirt piles and they'll see different cycles in, in, in dry seasons.
3:46
They'll see different cycles of extreme wet seasons, different cycles of extremely cold
3:51
seasons.
3:52
And we, and you guys, Russia, those back to five billion years.
3:57
But yet we're comparing what, because a lot of records we had was set when we first started
4:02
keeping records in the twenties and in the thirties.
4:07
And there's a reason why we break records and some break records aren't.
4:10
And so for them to say a climate denier, he was practical on asking the questions and
4:15
you just, you go, even in his death, the guys retired, these, these people still go after
4:20
them because you have some editor and some reporter that wants to be cute and it makes
4:26
you want to puke.
4:27
Now Jim and I, we didn't agree on a lot of issues.
4:29
I mean, we didn't, there was a lot of issues him and I took differences in, but I always
4:34
had a tremendous amount of respect for him.
4:36
And I man it, you know, yesterday when I talked on the floor and I said, I looked at him as
4:39
a grandfather, not because of his age, because the affection I had towards the guy and in
4:45
quiet Frank, he was, he was, you know, sometimes he'd get really ticked at me because if you
4:49
didn't agree with Jim, he would, he would let you know why he's right.
4:54
But then the day he just went on with it, but he still let you know why he was right.
4:59
And you was never going to convince him you're right.
5:00
If Jim was dug on the issue, he was just man, he was, he was just, he was just dug in, but
5:05
he was also a guy that loved the Lord.
5:07
There was zero question about that.
5:09
There was, he was a guy that loved Kay, his wife dearly and he loved his family and he
5:15
served, he served for 60 years and guess what, he didn't lose his faith.
5:19
He didn't lose his wife and he didn't lose his family.
5:21
I mean, that says a lot for someone in politics because it's very common in politics that
5:27
people get up here and they lose their wife and they lose their family and they start thinking
5:32
this is reality and that was never his reality.
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And I think that's quite a testament to anybody.
5:37
Well, I think he had a very long and illustrious career and I got the opportunity to vote for
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him a couple of times since returning the age of 18 and looky there, you've got, not only
5:47
do you have tea, Mark Wayne Mullen, not only is it piping hot, because I think I just saw
5:51
you burn your tire esophagus, but it's, it's a Mullen, it's a Mullen ranch mug.
5:56
Look at that.
5:57
I had to be manly why I'm drinking tea, I mean, because I couldn't have it one of those tea
6:02
cups, right? So I had to have a coffee mug with swag.
6:08
But Mark Wayne, I just, I'm sitting here drinking out of this wonderful and daunted life, you
6:14
know, simple, modern jug, you know, a water, this big thing.
6:18
Why don't I have a Mullen ranch mug? Like what's, what's the deal? You've got my address.
6:22
You can send me a care package.
6:25
I got it. I'll get you. I'll get you. Would you like a vest too? Because you see me in
6:28
a vest. I wear those Mullen Mullen vests too.
6:31
I didn't want to ask, but yes. And if you have any Mullen ranch hats as well, and I don't
6:37
mean, I don't mean like ball caps. I mean, I want a cowboy hat like I'm working on a ranch.
6:41
Yeah, those things get pretty expensive.
6:44
They're worth my time with that.
6:46
Mark Wayne, I'm just saying like, you can find money anywhere. Just go into random rooms
6:50
and in the, in the United States. And I'm sure there's just wall to wall money.
6:53
But yeah, I'm a seven and a half. Okay, so let's get something that looks good. I want
6:57
to look like I just walked right off the set of Yellowstone. Does that work?
7:01
Is seven and a half oval or around?
7:03
I don't know. Like whenever I put on a baseball hat, it says seven and a half on the inside.
7:08
Seven and a half. There's no way you're that mug is a seven and a half. Do you have?
7:12
It's seven and a half. No way. No, turn one turn. Turn sideways. Turn sideways.
7:17
That is not a seven and a half cowboy hat. You don't have a head.
7:23
There's no way. I 100 percent. Hey, you think that's a big big.
7:27
There's a guy that we're trained with at the forged. What's that?
7:30
What's your ring? I have no idea. This is like a plastic ring like that.
7:33
I got for like eight dollars. So I don't know. Like a seven or an eight.
7:36
I don't know. No, but I will tell you this. I will tell you this. I was trying to give a hat
7:41
to a, I was trying to give it a hat to a buddy of mine that trains at the forge here in Edelman.
7:46
He's got an eight and a half head. I've never even heard of such a thing.
7:49
Like, and I've been around the guy a lot. He's, you know, big guy kind of got a big head.
7:53
But I'm telling you right now, I've got a seven and a half.
7:55
So can you make that happen for me? That's the only thing that the listeners want to know.
7:59
Can you make a seven and a half cowboy hat appear for me? That's all.
8:02
I can make it. I can make it. You got a seven and a half head. And you were a small best.
8:09
Well, no, no, I will probably wear a large or an extra large vest. I'm fine.
8:16
10, one, 95. No, man. No, no, no, you want to bring me some boots too?
8:21
No way. No way. You're an extra large. No way. No way. Okay. We'll just we'll go with a large.
8:26
But I do wear a size 12 in shoe or in boot. And so if you want to send me some boots to go along
8:31
with my hat so they match, I'm just telling you, man, why would I lie? What's what's my motivation to
8:36
lie here? There isn't. I just think you're I mean, it's like guys that say they're guys that say
8:43
they're six foot or probably really five 11. Hey, I straight up told you I was five 10, not like,
8:49
you know, five nine and three quarters. I'm right at five 10. You have a 12 shoe. Yeah,
8:57
which is ridiculous. And you have a seven and a half head. I mean, dude, I'm just nothing on me.
9:05
Oh, dude, like nothing on me makes sense. And I'll tell you right now. And the audience may
9:10
not even care about this. But my mom is like, she's been mad at me since birth because I have
9:15
very broad shoulders as well. And I've had those since birth. And so you try to get these shoulders
9:19
through a normal female pelvis. I didn't why I did bring that conversation up. I regret it.
9:28
Really bad. Hey, well, we can get off of this subject matter and get onto and maybe even more
9:33
depressing subject matter or hilarious one of the two. So this is the first time you and I've spoken
9:37
since the unbelievable debate between Donald Trump and currently sort of President Joe Biden
9:44
and obviously it has been roundly panned by everyone as a disastrous performance. You know,
9:50
whenever the New York Times and Washington Post and CNN and MSNBC can't come up with something
9:55
positive to say about Joe Biden's performance that it was an abject failure and disaster.
10:01
And so this week, Mark Wayne, like this episode's coming out tomorrow, but we've been hearing a lot
10:06
about his big boy press conference that he's got coming up. And we've got people coming out
10:10
saying that he shouldn't run. And then we've got other people saying that he should. But
10:13
at this point, Mark Wayne, if you don't think he's mentally capable to run for president,
10:19
then what do we I think it's 25th amendment time, I believe where it's like, hey, he's not fit to
10:23
run the country now in this moment. So just tell me about when you're watching the debate,
10:28
what was going through your head and then, you know, the fallout? What are your thoughts on that as
10:32
well? So I was President Trump called me the week of the debate and asked me if I'd come to Atlanta
10:40
to actually be a surrogate for him, you know, do a media row after it, you know, do the whole
10:44
the call to spin room. No one knows how these debates are going to go right. And to be quite
10:48
frank with you, you know, Biden did he did cognitively very well at the state of the union. I mean,
10:55
right, but he's reading of teleprompter. Right. And you can totally disagree with what he said,
10:59
but he was actually cognitively there. And he was witty and he was saying things.
11:05
So no one expected it to go that bad. It went that bad. I mean, it was really terrible.
11:11
20 minutes into it, they started making a spin and he had a cold that I mean, they released it.
11:17
Right. He was he was already messing up on on all types of numbers. And you know,
11:23
he referred it, he started referring back to just Trump being a liar. It was,
11:28
it was pretty bad. So when you start talking about what the Democrats are going to do,
11:33
you could inject a 25th amendment, right? But they've dug in back to the point they're digging
11:38
in now saying he's fine. Right. And and you and I, I shared my theory. I thought there's a very
11:44
good chance that they were going to replace him. I thought this was the whole reason. I mean,
11:48
I went into depth about this. I think they still would like to replace him. The party,
11:54
the Democrat party wants to replace Joe Biden. The problem is is Joe Biden, who is the president
12:01
of the United States doesn't want to step down. Right. It could be because of Jill. It could be,
12:06
you know, there's a whole lot of reasons. I mean, Jill's ex-husband came out the like two days
12:10
after the debate and said the only reason why he's in is because of Jill and Jill's the one that's
12:13
making him do it. He said, I know because I was married to the lady. I don't know. But either way,
12:18
they're there. And so at this point, if they try to change him, if they don't inject a 25th amendment
12:25
and remove him from office, not remove him from the ballot, but remove him from office,
12:32
then what they're doing, the same party that says they're all about democracy,
12:37
are saying that the 14,500,000 Democrats that voted for him in the primary to make him their
12:44
president nominee for the Democrat party doesn't matter. So they're not about democracy. They're
12:50
about appointment, about appointing somebody. So I don't think at this point, they can remove him from
12:55
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When I've also heard that obviously, if he were to step down, it would be Kamala running,
15:05
that all of the money that has been raised for the Biden-Harris ticket can't just be transferred
15:10
over to a, you know, Hakeem Jeffries or a Michelle Obama or a Gavin Newsom or something like that.
15:17
Is that correct? Say that again.
15:19
So what I heard was, is all the money that has been donated to Biden-Harris can't be just like
15:25
transferred over to another Democrat? Well, it's not completely accurate because the money could be
15:30
transferred to a PAC. So it couldn't be, it wouldn't be transferred to say the Michelle Obama,
15:38
I'm just using that example. I'd say, Hakeem Jeffries is more likely, but say, if Hakeem Jeffries,
15:44
Hakeem Jeffries for president, it couldn't be put to a campaign account. Most campaigns at that
15:51
high level are actually more than money comes in from, from PAC. So they could give all the money
15:58
to the DNC, Democrat National Conference, right? They could give every bit of it, or national
16:04
committee. They could give every bit of it to the DNC. And the DNC could just run the ads for
16:09
president Trump or for president or president nominee. I mean, or they could just run it against
16:15
president Trump for that matter. So the money would still be used in the Democrat campaign.
16:20
It wouldn't be sent back. What would, what would happen is, is they would have to write a letter
16:25
to all the donors and say, Hey, we're no longer in the race. You gave the race for the general,
16:32
the primaries already over. So all the money left over for the primary could be used every
16:38
one to, but we got money left over for the, for the general. Would you, would you like this to be
16:44
donated to the DNC? I promise you, everybody that wrote Joe Biden, a presidential contribution
16:53
would say, yes, give the money to the DNC. Okay, well, we'll see how that goes. Again,
16:59
this seems like a big way, but it seems like they're going to do it. I don't think they're going to
17:02
do it, Kyle. I don't, I think because I think the only way they do it is they have to, they have to,
17:06
they have to put, put in the 25th a minute. In fact, President Trump is kind of, if you listen to
17:13
him right now, he's kind of saying the same thing, because he's saying he's actually calling for
17:17
them to removing from office, because they know they won't do it. So he's saying, remove him from
17:21
office, don't just remove him from the ticket, remove him from the office, because he's cognitively
17:25
not able to serve. So do you think, do you think they'll do a second debate?
17:30
I, I've, I've actually, uh, suggest not that my opinion matters to the president, but I
17:37
suggested they, they doesn't do it. Um, and, and because there's no, there's no upside for him doing
17:46
it. It was such a bad debate. There was no upside for it. It can't, it can't, it can't get any better.
17:54
Yeah. Uh, uh, for, for Trump. And so debates, sometimes the first one has the biggest impact.
18:04
Right. The second one is you have to go into the second debate with the idea of do no harm,
18:10
because you're not going to win any votes. You just don't want to lose any votes. So you have
18:15
more to lose than you need to gain. You will not gain anything on that. He will not gain anything
18:20
on the second debate. He can only lose off the second debate. So I would say for Trump, no,
18:26
for the Biden team, I think it's, it's rolling the dice, right? Do they wait until September,
18:32
or whenever the next debate is, I think it's September, uh, and then say, let's have another
18:37
shot at it. Listen, if he's not healthy now, he's not going to be healthy in September and then
18:41
they're going to run out excuses. They can't go in there and say he was fatigued because of
18:45
international travel. They can't go out there and say he was fatigued because he had a cold,
18:50
uh, they can't go out there and say, you know, he, he wasn't well rested. I mean, whatever their
18:54
excuses, they can't do that again. So I don't, I don't think there will be a second debate,
18:59
but I don't know that for sure. I'd no one said that. I just think it's both both both sides. It's
19:05
too risky for them to do one. Well, we'll, we'll just have to see, but next time might I suggest
19:10
to the Democrats give him like, I don't know, methamphetamine or just something that'll really
19:14
get him a little bit better than he was last time. Let's at least have some fun with it.
19:17
But, you know, you didn't say yes to that. That was my suggestion to anybody. Just listen to this
19:21
out there. Now it was either last month or a couple of months ago, we talked about Trump's
19:26
potential VP picks. There was a report that came out this morning that said the short list is now
19:30
down to three people. That is Florida Senator Marco Rubio, Ohio Senator JD Vance and then
19:36
governor North Dakota Doug Burgum. Now you had talked about before, it's like, look, no one's
19:40
going to be able to get this list. Vegas is not going to be able to get it right and all that.
19:44
I will say that of those three names, I don't think any of them necessarily help Trump very much,
19:50
but they also don't hurt him very much. I think Doug Burgum would be the most milk toast vanilla
19:54
of all of them. But even Marco Rubio, that's who I had originally supported for the 2016
19:59
nomination for the Republican side of the ticket. So that would be interesting. Obviously he would
20:03
have to change his residence out of Florida and, you know, that put some stuff in line with that.
20:08
But what is your read right now on who he's going to pick as VPs? He's going to wait all the way
20:11
until the convention to announce it at the convention. What do you know? I believe now he's going to
20:16
probably announce it at the convention. He had a pick and it changed. So he's changed drastically
20:24
in six weeks. The six, I'd say six weeks ago, maybe eight weeks ago. It was, I was almost certain
20:34
he was going to pick a VP. In fact, the names that are on this list right now were just beginning
20:40
to circulate. The names that were on the short list at Christmas all the way up until two months
20:45
ago was really the top list was, it was, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Elise Stefanik, Sarah Huckabee,
20:53
Governor Sarah Huckabee. And then the only guy on that was really Tim Scott. And that list is
21:02
completely changed now. And he had a pick to the pick to the point where this week we were supposed
21:09
to be doing a fundraiser for the for the VP in Oklahoma. After the debate, the numbers changed.
21:17
And I haven't talked to the to the president about it because I haven't asked the question.
21:24
I have made the assumption that the VP picked to who he was going to pick after or before the debate
21:30
changed after the debate. And I don't know, I saw I don't know who who that final person will be
21:39
will be standing. But considering the the the the conventions next week, I mean, he can announce
21:49
it Sunday if you wanted to. But I think he gets a lot of a lot of splash for for announcing it at
21:55
the convention. I think he's got to know the media will start licking, leaking here really quick
22:02
on who's on who that person's going to be, be prior to the actual announcement. So we'll know
22:09
before he actually announces it. Okay, you know, he's got to flare for the dramatic. So it makes
22:13
sense if he did the the full announcement, like he has, you know, them come out at the convention
22:17
and things like that. So another thing that's going down in DC this week is we've had, you know,
22:22
we got Vladimir Zelensky of Ukraine in town, you know, Biden managed to speak for 15 minutes
22:29
straight about the potential. Ukraine joining NATO and different things like that. There are a lot
22:35
of people that are very concerned about Ukraine joining NATO. And then there's seemingly a lot
22:39
of people as well that are like, no, it makes perfect sense to join NATO. Everyone's worried
22:44
about the provocation that that would cause for Putin and Russia with them having a NATO member
22:50
right on their borders, right on their Eastern border. What's your read of the situation right
22:54
now about the likelihood of Ukraine actually becoming a full fledged member of NATO?
22:59
I think unlikely. Keep in mind if they become a full-fledged member of NATO right now,
23:08
that puts a lot of countries at war with Russia. Exactly. Immediately. So I think it's very unlikely
23:17
that to happen because if if we if we bring them into NATO, that's the same thing as us
23:24
declaring war on Russia. Now, you got to think about that and same thing with all the other NATO
23:30
allies. That's the that's, I mean, and maybe I'm speaking too far out, but that's part of the
23:37
NATO pack. If we're all there together, if someone invades you and fighting you, then we're there
23:44
together. And regardless, if it's a NATO ally that that is the aggressor, if a NATO member
23:50
invades a NATO member, we go after the one that invaded the NATO member, not the one that was
23:56
trying to defend themselves. I mean, so there's I'm paraphrasing all this. Right. So I think it would
24:02
be very tough for them to be a NATO member, why they're in the fight. I think if this thing gets
24:09
if the conflict or the war, it goes away. I think there's a way for Ukraine to get there
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and after the war is over. But I think it's hard for them to do it now.
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Yeah, I think that makes the most sense because right now, everyone's still concerned about the
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amount of money that's flowing through to them right now. But certainly, if you provoke Russia
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more by doing that right now in the middle of a conflict that could have really bad downstream
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consequences for the United States. Yeah. And I want to put this back in their perspective too.
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I'm not, you know, I'm I'm evolving a lot in foreign affairs. And so I have to do with this
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constantly. I can't understate this statement. I mean, I can't I can't understate I can't overstate
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I can't overstate this statement. If Russia prevails in Ukraine, we will be in a fight with Russia.
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It'll kick off a large scale war. It's it and there's a there are several things that people
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don't realize that Ukraine has. One, Ukraine is is a major food supplier to that entire region.
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Two, Ukraine has the second largest gas supply energy, which gas means energy gas supply in Europe.
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The second the only one part larger than him is Russia. Third, Ukraine has arguably three trillion
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between one point five and three trillion dollars worth of earth minerals underneath their feet.
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Rare earth minerals means chips. It means high tech means batteries means everything we fight
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wars with. And the person that controls the other three large deposits is China. So now you have
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China and Russia that's controlling the the the four largest rare earth mineral supplies
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in the in in the world. Huge, huge, huge issue. And the fight doesn't stop in Ukraine.
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No one and this is why everybody all their bordering states are real concerned about this.
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No one thinks that you that Russia will stop there. They absolutely positively will not. So we have
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choices inside the United States because it will come to us because we're a world economy. I don't
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care what people say. We're not an isolationist country and we haven't been an isolationist country.
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So it will come to us and it will affect us. And when it starts affecting us, then we will have to
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make a decision on what we're going to do. So we either have a choice that we fight with finances
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or we fight with blood. Those are our choices right now. And those that see turning our head and
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doing nothing doesn't the outcome is is just a nor ignoring a problem that you're going to deal
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with at some point. I don't I'm proactive, not reactive. And so unfortunately, we have to be
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involved in this regardless of what the politics is behind it and what people think about it.
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As long as that war is going on, we had to be somewhat involved now. Would that fight take
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in place if Trump was in office? No, I'm a thousand percent that fight would not have taken place
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that Trump was in office. But that's not the scenario we have. Hopefully, this time next year,
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you're not Ukraine. The topic of Ukraine is irrelevant because the war is over because Trump
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gets in and and he has some really tough conversations that Biden can't have and and Trump can.
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Yeah. So that'll be something to see. I think the world would look completely different if
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the 2020 election had gone the way of the Republican candidate. But Mark Wayne, we are out of time
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here. But I do just want to ask you for a few things here at the very end. And these are all
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these are all small things. Okay. But just just a reminder in case you've forgotten.
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Mullen ranch mug. Mullen ranch vest size large. Yeah. Mullen ranch vest size large.
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You have female large cap. No, no. I mean, I have an impressive chest, but maybe not that
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impressive. Number three, seven and a half cowboy hat. This isn't a bad thing. And number four,
28:31
because those first three, the next time I see you on camera, I've already won a top hat and a
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tuxedo. So I need to be wearing a, you know, the ranch vest with the mug and the hat. It just has
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to happen. Our audience needs it. But then the fourth thing, and this is perhaps optional,
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I will wear the exact same get up and hold the same mug when you get me an interview with Trump.
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And so I'll do the exact same thing. It can be a short one. It can be like a five to 10 minute
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long thing. I'll even go out tomorrow. That's no big deal. I'll even play golf. I haven't done
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that in 15 years. And I'd probably still be better than Joe Biden. So those four things,
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those are all super easy to pull off, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One and two, I think I can take
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care of three, we'll have to negotiate on. And four, we will see. Well, I'm not in Congress,
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but I can negotiate with the best of them. Okay. I'll tell you what, right now, I come from a long
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line of potato farmers back in my Irish days. And so we didn't just give those things away.
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You know, we had to barter with people so that we could continue to survive. But hey,
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is there anything else you want to share with the audience before we get you out of here?
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No, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. See you next time. All right. See you.
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