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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right guys, we will get you
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to Mark Wayne Mullen here in just a second,
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but before we dig in, obviously today,
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we're gonna be talking about this proposed border deal
1:03
that came out, the text of it came out on Sunday.
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This obviously affects me directly
1:08
because it was negotiated in terms of the Republicans
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by my Senator, James Langford,
1:12
who's also the, I guess, co-worker,
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you could call Mark Wayne Mullen.
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But in this discussion today, we certainly talk about it
1:19
and Mark Wayne is not on board with this.
1:21
So spoiler alert, he's not on board
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with the bill the way it's currently constituted
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with the negotiations that happened with Senator Schumer
1:27
and Senator Sinema, there it is, and Senator Langford.
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And so we didn't dig into a lot of the text of the bill.
1:34
We got into, okay, what does it look like now?
1:35
How do we get here?
1:36
What does it look like in the future?
1:38
So I just wanna break down a few things from the bill.
1:40
And a lot of people have done this,
1:41
but for some of you, the only political commentary you get
1:44
is from my show, which is a little bit dangerous for you.
1:46
But at the end of the day, I try to be as down the center
1:48
and as clear on these things as possible.
1:50
So just so you know, Senator Langford,
1:53
I'm on his email list.
1:54
He sent an email with the text of this bill.
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So when I'm referring to things inside the bill today,
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some people are like, oh, it's section Q,
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a dash, blah, blah, blah, and all that.
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I'm just gonna give you the page number
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according to the link that is here in the show notes.
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And so maybe that's different
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from the actual congressional website
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or different things like that.
2:10
But as I was reading through a lot of things
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in this proposal, because it's like 300 pages, it's a lot.
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It's very heady if you're a lawyer out there
2:19
and I know we got some good lawyers that listened to this show,
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especially the ones out there in Nacodoches, Texas.
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Shout out to you guys.
2:25
But you know, you guys probably, you know,
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you've done a lot of this reading
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and a lot of this type of thing.
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And so I'm sure it's something that's easier for you
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to consume, not as easy for me to consume.
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But as I was thinking through and reading through this stuff,
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there's a great Napoleon quote.
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Yes, Napoleon that I thought about this week
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and it's never interfere with an enemy
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while he's in the process of destroying himself.
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So keep that in mind while I spitball here for just a second.
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So if I were a Democrat or an advisor
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to the Democratic Party,
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I would see the current public perception
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about what's going on at the border.
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And if I was being honest, I would have to admit, you know,
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as a Democratic advisor that the majority of Americans think
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that this is a problem created or at least allowed for
3:08
by Biden and the Democrats, okay?
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So if I were to advise the Democratic Party,
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I would tell them that somehow, guys, somehow, some way,
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we need to make it seem like it's the Republicans' fault
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that the border problem is happening.
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And it's because of their syncophantic support
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of the insurrectionists in Chief Donald Trump, right?
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We have to somehow make people believe that.
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I would tell them that this would be an almost impossible task
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to pull off, but that we should at least try to do this
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so that we could gaslight the American people.
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And then this bill proposal was released.
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And boom, it's the biggest possible gift for Democrats
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because now Democrats can reasonably say
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that this is the Republican's fault.
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Now, this is probably not gonna pass this in it.
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It may not even come up for a vote in the Senate.
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It's gonna be dead on arrival in the House.
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There will not be a vote in the House.
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So the bill of House is currently constructed.
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This is kind of foolish that we're even talking about it
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because it doesn't matter.
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It's, it could have not even be released.
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But the problem is, is they did release it.
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And Senator Langford, who I've told you here on this show
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before, back in 2016, I wanted to write in Senator Langford
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for the president and not vote for Donald Trump
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and not vote for Hillary Clinton.
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That's how much I believed in Senator Langford.
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But this is just a heaping pile of crap.
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And when I see him go out there on the news and talk about,
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oh, well, you know, y'all aren't reading this right.
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And this is what it means.
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And this is what it means.
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The problem, Senator, is that we can read.
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We can read and also the people that were part
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of this process with you can read specifically Chris Murphy.
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So he's a Senator from Connecticut.
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He's one of the bill's authors.
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Okay.
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He literally said that this bill, that because of this bill,
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that the border never closes.
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This is one of the authors of the bill that this were to go
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through past the Senate and the House, which it will not.
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And if it was signed by Joe Biden, which it would not be,
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that the border never closes.
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And he also said this on Twitter earlier this week.
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He said this, nobody had more optimism than me,
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that Republicans would do the right thing
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and vote for our bipartisan bill to fix the border
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and fund Ukraine.
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But today we found out Republicans chose Trump.
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They want border chaos because it helps him campaign.
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That's all that matters.
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So Senator Langford and any of the other foolish Republicans
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that got on board with this, just the writing of this policy,
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and it's not even a real law right at this point,
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it's just a proposal.
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They have allowed the Democrats to put part of this burden
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and part of the blame on Republicans.
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It is so unbelievably foolish.
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So there are a lot of Oklahomans like me
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that are very furious with Senator Langford,
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who is again, one of the most conservative Republicans
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in Congress, one of the most conservative across the board
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on a myriad of issues, including my biggest issue,
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which is the pro-life issue.
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But this is egregious.
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It's absolutely egregious.
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So the best case scenario is that Senator Langford
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is just too weak to fight against Christian cinema
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or Senator Schumer and to be able to push back
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on the stupid parts of this policy.
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But then it's like, what are the other options?
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He thinks this is a good idea
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'cause he sure is making the rounds on CNN
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and other places right now saying,
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oh, this is great.
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This is what it actually means.
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We're not turning away 5,000 people.
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We're not letting 5,000 people
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into the interior every day.
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We're turning 5,000 people away.
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And he said that over and over and over,
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which is kind of dumb just from the outset
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because even at that number,
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even at 4,999 people a day,
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that would be 1.825 million illegal immigrants
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that we know about being released
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into the interior of the United States
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every single year legally, 1.825 million,
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which if it were its own city guys,
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that would make it the fifth largest city in America,
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only behind New York City, LA, Chicago and Houston.
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And let's not pretend like the cartels
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who are actually running the border,
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it's not the United States, it's the cartels,
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let's not pretend like they can't count
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and they wouldn't manipulate waves
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that they're sending to the border of people
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because this bill says that, okay,
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if it's above 5,000 people encountered at the border
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over a seven day period, then we're shutting the border down.
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Well, then they're just gonna send people in waves
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to the border on five and six day rotations because duh.
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But in addition to that,
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so that 5,000 a day number you've heard bandied about a lot,
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that would not include unaccompanied minors.
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Unaccompanied minors would not be included
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in the 5,000 per day,
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which this bill, this nonsense bill,
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would not usurp the floor's agreements, okay?
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So what that, well, basically the floor's agreement says
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is that at some point, those unaccompanied minors
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would have their illegal guardians,
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sorry, it would be the legal guardians of those children
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that are illegal in terms of their ability
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to come to the United States,
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they would be reconnected in the United States.
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That because the unaccompanied minors came,
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their illegal immigrant parents would be welcomed
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into this country.
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And again, that's not taken into account
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with the 5,000 people a day.
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And so we actually see this on page 60 and 83 of the bill,
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again, that is in the show notes.
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It says this, nothing in this section may be construed
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to abrogate any provision
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of the stipulated settlement agreement in Reno v. Flores.
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Also, this bill states that if 5,000 people were more per day,
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like I said, came to the border for an E7 consecutive day period
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that the border can be shut down entirely.
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But here's the big butt.
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The bill gives the president, who currently is Joe Biden,
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legal authorization to suspend that order at any time.
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So we see this on page 129 of the bill.
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If the president finds that it is in the national interest
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to temporarily suspend the border emergency authority,
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the president may direct the secretary,
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that is my orcas right now,
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to suspend use of the border emergency authority
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on an emergency basis.
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So essentially, you have more than 5,000 people a day
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come in for seven straight days.
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We're like, all right, well, hey, this bill says
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that we need to shut down the border.
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And Joe Biden says, I don't think we're gonna do that.
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You dog face pony soldier.
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And guess what?
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It's not shut down.
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He says to my orcas,
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we're whoever's in that secretarial position,
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hey, we're not shutting down the border.
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And you know what Republicans can do about it?
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Not a damn thing.
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Not a single thing.
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Also, a crappy part of this bill.
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Is it changes the language around asylum claims
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from, quote, significant possibility of persecution,
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unquote, to, quote, reasonable possibility
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of persecution, unquote.
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So again, an asylum seeker, right?
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Has to show up at one of the ports of entry and say,
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look, I fear going back to my country
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because there is a significant possibility of persecution.
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The cartels have basically taught them
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how to say that in English.
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But it's changing it from a significant possibility,
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which is difficult to adjudicate anyway,
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to a reasonable possibility of persecution,
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which how in the world would anybody adjudicate that?
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Now there's a reasonable possibility of persecution.
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There's also a reasonable chance that a meteor
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is gonna fly out of the sky and hippie in my head
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on my way to walking to my truck here in a little bit.
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It's reasonable, it could happen, right?
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And we see this on page 120 of the proposal.
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If such alien demonstrates during the interview
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that the alien has a reasonable possibility
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of persecution or torture,
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such alien shall be referred to
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or placed in proceedings under section 240 or 240D
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as appropriate, okay?
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In addition to all this, just kind of, you know,
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spitball in here at the end,
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it codifies catch and release.
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So catch and release is, you know,
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we catch you at the border
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then we release you into the interior with a court date,
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95% of which people don't show back up to.
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Also, this proposal has a sunset clause
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that would go well into a potential Trump presidency.
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So this would actually hamstring President Trump
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starting in January of 2025 if he takes the presidency,
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which I think is, you know, a dubious assumption.
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But if he does take it,
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he has to abide by the nonsense that would be in this bill.
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And then obviously this has been talked about a lot.
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The overwhelming majority of the funding
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does not go to the border wall.
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It does not go to border patrol agents.
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It doesn't go to anything border related
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in terms of the United States border.
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So it's about 20 billion to our border,
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but 60 billion would go to Ukraine
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and 14 billion would go to Israel.
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So American taxpayers would be paying $74 billion
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to protect the borders of not America.
12:08
And in addition to this,
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there would be $2 billion that would go to organizations
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that are in this country,
12:15
that are aiding illegal immigration,
12:16
that are facilitating it.
12:18
And also $3 billion would go in aid to Gaza,
12:21
which in other words means American taxpayers
12:24
would be giving $3 billion to Hamas
12:27
in their fight against Israel.
12:29
So we get 14 billion to Israel,
12:31
but then we give 3 billion to Gaza,
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which is not gonna go to provide clean, you know,
12:36
drinking water or healthy food to Gazans,
12:39
it's gonna go to make rockets and to buy AKs.
12:42
So if this comes up for a vote,
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this is going to die a thousand deaths in the Senate.
12:50
But the thing is,
12:51
is if it does even come up for a procedural vote,
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which Mark Wayne talks about here in the interview,
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you better pay attention to the Republicans that vote yes
12:58
for this, because Senator Langford's going to have to.
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And if you're in Okey right now and you're [inaudible] off
13:02
about that, that he would vote yes,
13:04
because he's the one that wrote it, I'm with you.
13:06
I'm completely with you.
13:07
Is that enough to not vote for him
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the next time he's up for reelection?
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I don't know, this is really bad.
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This is really, really, really bad.
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And a lot of people are calling for his head
13:15
and I get it and calling for their his head politically,
13:18
obviously, but and I totally get it.
13:20
So the bill is nonsense.
13:23
I wanted to spend a little bit of time going through
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some of that because we don't get into that much detail
13:27
in terms of the actual bill and the language of the bill
13:29
in this interview,
13:30
but we'll go ahead and send you off
13:31
to my interview with Mark Wayne Mullen.
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- All right, Mark, Wayne, you're back.
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I can tell by the look on your face
15:12
that you're a little disappointed
15:13
that I'm back to my normal dress here.
15:15
So I've got the official uniform
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of Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
15:18
Are you sad?
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- Yeah, I am.
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You set the standard so high to just go back to regular.
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I mean, it's not even a V-neck T-shirt.
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- Yeah, it is.
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- Well, I think it's your all fuzzy on my hand.
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Okay, at least you're stepping it up
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and going to a V-neck.
15:32
But I mean, yeah, the whole top hat
15:34
and the tuxedo, tuxedo, I mean, man, you just killed it.
15:38
It just really brought the level of professionalism
15:41
of this podcast through the roof.
15:43
- Which was never my intention
15:45
'cause I never want to be misconstrued
15:47
as being professional.
15:48
So I'm very disappointed to hear you say that.
15:51
But I will say before I threw on the tuxedo in the top hat,
15:54
I did think to myself, man,
15:55
I'm kind of setting the standard here
15:56
because it's like when you go out to dinner
15:57
with somebody first and you go to like a fancy steak restaurant,
16:00
it's kind of hard to go to Burger King afterwards,
16:02
but it just kind of is what it is.
16:03
But we got to get down--
16:04
- Well, it's interesting to tell me,
16:05
am I the only guy that after I go to a fancy dinner,
16:08
I come home and still want to bowl a cereal?
16:10
- Okay, so I went to a dinner here recently
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and here's a deal.
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Like when I go to a restaurant, I'm going there to eat.
16:16
I don't want an experience.
16:17
I don't need ambiance, I don't need music,
16:19
but I had a really good buddy invite me to this dinner
16:22
and it was with this fancy chef
16:23
and like it was actually a really cool dinner
16:25
and there were different smells and different music
16:27
and all that.
16:28
I was starving when I left and I told my wife
16:30
before I left, I'm like, I guarantee you,
16:32
I'm gonna have to get something to eat after this
16:34
'cause it's gonna be really delicious food
16:36
but it's also gonna be serving size for like little people.
16:39
And I destroy as much food as possible
16:42
during a very short window during my day.
16:43
So yeah, you and I are on the same page with that.
16:45
- I will go, I will eat a bowl of cereal,
16:48
I would say at least 50% of the time
16:52
after I get home from a dinner.
16:54
I'll still walk the door and have a bowl of cereal.
16:55
Of course, I eat cereal for dinner a lot too,
16:57
so there you go.
16:59
- Well, hey, whenever you're back in Oklahoma next,
17:01
maybe you and I can go to the ranch
17:02
'cause I don't think anybody has left the ranch steak house
17:04
in Oklahoma City and has ever been hungry
17:06
or cattlemen's or whatever your favorite one is.
17:08
- You see, I'm both and both in my leaf full.
17:11
The problem is it's like an hour and a half drive
17:13
back to my house from there.
17:14
By the time I get back it's digested,
17:16
I'm ready for a bowl of cereal.
17:18
- All right, I have a new plan.
17:19
New plan before we get down to business.
17:20
So what we will do is we will do like a mid-afternoon thing,
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we will start, we'll do a late lunch at cattlemen's,
17:27
then we will sit there, have a good time
17:30
and then we will drive to the ranch
17:31
and do an early dinner.
17:33
And so with those two things combined,
17:35
by the time you get home, you should be satisfied.
17:37
No fruit loops needed.
17:38
- Yeah, you'll be rolling me out the door.
17:41
- I'm fine with that.
17:41
I'll butter up the doorway if we need to get you out.
17:43
That's no problem.
17:44
I could carry you out of there, sir.
17:45
It's not a big deal.
17:46
But hey, we need to get down to business here.
17:48
Obviously the only thing that anybody really wants
17:50
to talk about this week is the proposed US border proposal.
17:55
Obviously there's been a ton of backlash.
17:58
There have been a lot of prominent Republicans,
18:01
not the least of which are senators that are like,
18:03
there's no way.
18:04
Rubio, Florida, Ted Cruz, Josh Holly,
18:06
Rand Paul, Mike Lee, JD Vance, Tommy Tuberville,
18:09
all of them have said,
18:10
there's no way I'm voting for this.
18:12
This is a piece of garbage.
18:14
They said, you know, Mike Johnson said,
18:16
this is even gonna get a vote in the house.
18:18
And so I guess just the easiest way to start
18:20
before we actually dig into the text of the bill is you,
18:23
Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma representing me,
18:27
do you support this bill in the way that it is right now?
18:30
And I guess, do you even think it's gonna come up
18:31
for a vote in the Senate, much less the house?
18:33
- Well, we'll do, no, I don't support it
18:35
in the way it is right now, absolutely not.
18:37
But we're gonna do a procedural vote today.
18:41
And today is Wednesday, I don't know
18:42
when you're winning this thing here.
18:43
- This will be released Thursday morning.
18:45
- So it'll go down in flames.
18:48
It won't even get close.
18:49
In fact, I don't even know if they actually bring it up
18:51
for a procedural vote,
18:52
'cause there's enough Democrats that's actually pulled off of it
18:55
and all the Republicans that pulled off of it.
18:58
I don't think it'll, I don't know,
18:59
even if they do bring it, the floor is gonna fail.
19:02
So then what do you do, you try to repackage it.
19:04
I don't think you can repackage it.
19:05
But let's go to the back store on this
19:07
and understand how we got to this place.
19:09
And so there's always a back store to every bill
19:12
that you gotta go back to remember last year,
19:14
let's say August, when people were screaming
19:16
we need a border bill, right?
19:18
We need a border bill.
19:19
Now the house has passed H.R.2, H.R.2 is the gold standard.
19:24
But Schumer said he wasn't bringing it to the floor,
19:26
to the Senate floor, and Biden said he would veto it.
19:29
But that's where the house was at.
19:31
House is controlled by Republicans, they can pass that.
19:34
You got the Senate's controlled by the White House,
19:37
it really is, it's controlled by the White House,
19:39
it's not controlled by Schumer.
19:41
So they want an open border.
19:44
So what the original plan was
19:46
is just to get a bill to the floor,
19:50
get a border bill to the floor.
19:53
Because once you get it to the floor,
19:54
the border bill is never gonna stay intact.
19:56
It's amended, and everybody's gonna amend it.
19:59
And then if you could get the bill amended,
20:02
then you can go to conference with H.R.2
20:05
and the House passed border bill,
20:08
and then you get the Senate passed border bill
20:11
which has been amended, and you go to conference
20:13
and you hash out the differences.
20:16
And that's their best place to actually go to,
20:19
because when you have James Langford negotiating a border deal,
20:23
he's negotiating against Biden and Chuck Schumer.
20:26
So he's one piece of a three-legged stool.
20:29
Probably not the best position to negotiate.
20:33
It's like, I'd rather fight one-on-one than two against one.
20:36
And the analogy would be he's fighting two against one.
20:39
But when you bring it to the floor,
20:41
it takes Republicans and Democrat bills to pass it.
20:45
And keep in mind, there's a lot of Democrats
20:47
that wanna open border.
20:49
So once you get it to the Senate floor,
20:51
now you start having amendments.
20:53
They have to accept the amendments
20:55
because they know that the Republicans
20:56
have to vote for the bill too.
20:58
So now it's not James Langford negotiating against two,
21:01
it's 50/50.
21:03
And then you go, then by the time you get it out of there
21:05
and the bill would get better if you could amend it.
21:08
And then once you go to conference
21:09
because you have signed comparees,
21:11
now you're dead, you're dead locked.
21:15
The bills have to marry and there's not gonna be
21:18
a perfect bill, but it's gonna be so much better
21:21
on the third process.
21:22
'Cause the first process bring it to the floor.
21:25
Second process is to amend it.
21:27
Third process is conference.
21:29
But because everybody got out in front of this bill
21:32
before they even read it,
21:34
we're not even, politics got in the way of us
21:37
actually building a border bill.
21:39
So it got destroyed before the text was even out.
21:42
I mean, my Lord, three minutes after the text was out,
21:45
you had leadership coming out saying
21:47
the bill's dead on arrival and you're going,
21:49
that's 370 pages of extremely complicated reading
21:54
and you've read it in three minutes,
21:57
you've already seen it here against the bill
21:58
and we forgot the process of what we're doing.
22:00
So it's kinda unfortunate that we're here
22:03
because we knew this bill was gonna be,
22:05
it wasn't gonna be a good bill when it came out.
22:09
We knew that, but that's what the amendment process is.
22:13
And there's never been a bill that's came through the Senate
22:15
that didn't get amended.
22:16
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22:45
- Well, and that's what I appreciate the last time
22:46
we talked about this was just a few weeks ago.
22:48
You're like, what exactly are we talking about right now?
22:51
'Cause the text of the bill wasn't out yet.
22:53
It's like, let's not put the cart before the horse,
22:54
but you're right.
22:55
The text was released Sunday night
22:57
and within minutes on Twitter,
22:58
everybody had their ready-made proposals.
23:01
Now, we're recording this on Wednesday.
23:02
This is coming out on Thursday, but on Tuesday,
23:04
so this would have been yesterday.
23:07
You posted something on Twitter
23:08
and I just wanna read through this
23:09
because the biggest critique of this bill
23:12
and really any border bill in general,
23:14
there are a lot of big critiques, we'll get to some of them,
23:17
is that Biden can go ahead and do
23:19
some of the things anyway.
23:20
So I have to read what you wrote here 'cause it's perfect.
23:23
Joe Biden likes to say he's waiting on Congress
23:25
to secure the border.
23:26
Interesting how President Trump was able
23:28
to do it all on his own.
23:29
Here are 10 things Biden can do right now
23:31
using his own executive authority.
23:33
One, one, end Obama, error catch and release.
23:36
Two, reinstate the remaining Mexico policy, amen.
23:39
Three, reinstate safe third country agreements.
23:42
Four, end parole abuses.
23:44
Five, detain and admissible aliens.
23:46
Six, use expedited removal.
23:48
Seven, rein in taxpayer funded benefits for illegal aliens.
23:52
Eight, issue a proclamation to suspend a restrict entry.
23:55
Nine, resume construction of the border wall.
23:58
Ten, use current law, deportation authority under title eight.
24:02
So with all that in mind, all that,
24:04
all 10 things are fact check true.
24:07
Why would Republicans or Republican voters
24:09
or American taxpayers, why would we stomach
24:12
any type of border deal when all these things
24:15
can be done right now?
24:16
What can Republicans do to force Joe Biden's hand
24:18
'cause he clearly doesn't want to do any of these things?
24:21
- So go back to where Trump was in office
24:23
and he was trying to change the asylum process.
24:26
And it went to court and he got overturned at court.
24:31
And what he was trying to do is keep them
24:32
from going to come across and say the magic words,
24:35
"I fear my country."
24:37
And then they automatically go into the asylum process
24:39
and the asylum process then gets overwhelmed.
24:41
And it takes years for us to hear
24:45
if they actually have a credible threat.
24:47
So he wanted to change it instead of us having a hearing
24:50
for it that they had before they claimed asylum.
24:53
They also had to have proof that that was there.
24:56
So what this bill process was it was one,
24:58
we were going to look at the asylum process
25:02
and change it because there's a pack,
25:03
a North American pack between Canada, United States,
25:07
and Mexico that says that if you enter
25:10
one of those countries first,
25:12
that is where you're to claim asylum.
25:14
So it's first country of entry.
25:16
And then that's where you claim asylum.
25:18
So you're not technically supposed to be able
25:19
to go across Mexico then claim asylum inside the United States.
25:23
It's just like you can't go across the United States
25:25
and claim asylum in Canada
25:27
or if you're going south claim it in Mexico
25:30
because it's first country of entry
25:32
because we're considered a safe country.
25:34
So if you change the policy and said,
25:36
"Hold on, you got to choose the asylum process
25:39
"was changing to what Trump wanted to put in place."
25:43
They say, "If you come across,
25:46
"if you come into our country,
25:47
"you can't simply say, "I fear my country."
25:50
You got to prove one that you fear the government and why.
25:55
Then you had to prove that there was no safe place
25:59
for you to go to inside that country.
26:01
And then three, you had to prove
26:04
that there was no country you crossed
26:06
that you get a claim to asylum along the way.
26:09
That would have stopped probably 95% of the legal crossings
26:14
from even going to get into the United States
26:16
because they couldn't say that unless they were from Mexico.
26:20
- Correct.
26:21
- The majority of the people coming now are not from Mexico.
26:24
- Right.
26:25
- And then the pro process to where right now
26:28
we pro 85% of the people immediately,
26:31
the pro process we are going to change
26:34
to say that it has to have a hearing.
26:36
You have to have a hearing before you're released
26:38
on the credible threats.
26:40
And it had to be done within 10 days.
26:42
So what the border bill,
26:44
what we are really trying to do is change those two things.
26:47
Instead of them automatically be probed,
26:49
they couldn't be probed until they proved the asylum they needed.
26:52
And in those two things, if we got them changed,
26:56
they couldn't be overturned,
26:57
which is exactly what Biden did.
27:00
He'll return the executive orders that Trump had in place,
27:04
which essentially is the remaining Mexico.
27:06
You can't, because the remaining Mexico
27:09
was the asylum process of saying that you had to stay in Mexico.
27:13
You couldn't claim it inside the United States.
27:15
- Right.
27:16
- So we were just trying to take politics out of it
27:18
and take the executive order out of it
27:19
and codify it in legislation.
27:22
- Okay, so where we're at right now,
27:24
there's a lot of things and you and I've talked about this before.
27:26
It's easy to be a purist when it comes to policy.
27:29
It's very different when you're a lawmaker.
27:31
But sitting there right now as a lawmaker,
27:33
this doesn't look like it may not come up
27:35
for a procedural vote.
27:36
It doesn't look like it's gonna pass in.
27:37
It definitely won't pass a house.
27:38
It's never gonna make it to Joe Biden's desk.
27:40
I've heard people say this and they think this is like
27:43
the Hail Mary big time option, but I don't necessarily know.
27:46
Of all the things that the Republicans could hold
27:49
the Democrats' feet to the fire on,
27:51
up to and including a government shutdown,
27:54
the border is the one that I feel like the American people
27:56
can be like, yeah, it's very important
27:58
because all these blue cities and blue states
28:01
and sanctuary cities even,
28:02
they're finally seeing what the real life consequences
28:06
are of these policies that sound good in theory.
28:08
Like Denver right now, I think it's per capita
28:10
has more illegal immigrants sleeping and sheltering there.
28:14
And it's destroying the local economy of Denver
28:17
and that's a very micro example.
28:20
But I think there is an appetite for Americans to say,
28:22
yeah, if we need to shut down the government for a little bit
28:25
to get Biden to move on this, that's great.
28:27
But is that something that the Republicans would even do?
28:30
Is it like, hey, let's just wait for the election in November
28:33
and then we'll figure it out then?
28:34
Or is it like, hey, this is a disaster now,
28:36
we need to fix it now?
28:37
- I think the appetite is politically speaking,
28:42
it's people want to wait until Trump gets in office.
28:46
The reality is we do need to fix it now.
28:48
Every day we're going to continue to have record crossings.
28:55
The numbers are down slightly, but they're going to increase.
28:58
And then if Trump were to win, say he wins in November,
29:03
the next two months are going to be chaotic at the border
29:06
because everybody knows what's happening.
29:08
And so the drug cartels are going to try and make it
29:10
all the money they can and they're going to try rushing it
29:13
through.
29:13
So we need to actually be prepared for that as well,
29:17
but we can't set there, Kyle,
29:20
and think that we should wait on this.
29:23
You have an open border?
29:27
That's what you have right now.
29:28
Or you pass a border bill that changes some of the policies
29:32
to keep that from happening.
29:34
Joe Biden already said that if we pass a border bill,
29:37
he'll shut down the border.
29:39
Well, my point on my tweet I put out was,
29:42
or X, whatever you call it now,
29:44
is that he doesn't have to have that authority.
29:49
He could do that right now if he chose to do it.
29:52
He's just looking for an excuse because the politics in this
29:57
is they drug their feet so long to get this border bill done.
30:00
We could have rolled this thing out in December.
30:03
They drug their feet so long, they made it toxic,
30:06
and they didn't ever want it to get the border bill done.
30:10
What they want to do is come back and politically say,
30:13
see, we try to do something,
30:15
but the MAGA extremists doesn't want it to be done.
30:18
So it's all politics.
30:20
It has nothing to do with policy up here, Kyle, nothing.
30:23
Well, I mean, obviously that seems to be true.
30:26
And the reality is, if it's the right thing to do
30:29
in January of 2025, it's the right thing to do right now.
30:33
And so with that in mind, I've heard people float this
30:37
because I've said it here on this show
30:39
and all the way up to the richest man on the planet,
30:42
Elon Musk has said something similar.
30:44
It seems like the reason why the Democrats
30:46
and specifically Joe Biden don't want to shut down the border
30:49
is because they believe, probably not in Joe Biden's lifetime,
30:53
which that's not saying much,
30:55
but they believe that at some point,
30:57
the Republican Party will completely cave on amnesty
31:02
and not just DACA, not just DACA recipients
31:05
and kids that for no fault of their own
31:07
were brought here illegally
31:09
just so their parents could get here illegally,
31:11
not those people, but just at some point,
31:14
the 15, 20, 25 of eventually 30 million illegal immigrants
31:18
that are here in this country,
31:19
that Republicans will falter and in one fell swoop,
31:22
all those people will be given citizenship
31:25
and voting rights, thus locking in a democratic majority,
31:29
essentially forever.
31:30
And part of the thing that I said on my show,
31:32
and I can't remember if I told you this or not,
31:33
I think the reason why these Democrat senators
31:36
and Democrat governors and mayors are freaking out
31:39
about their cities being overrun
31:40
is because that wasn't part of the plan.
31:42
The plan is to overrun red states
31:45
so that you put so many of them,
31:47
these illegal immigrants in Texas,
31:49
that when you snap your fingers and they're all illegal,
31:52
now Texas goes immediately from being a red state
31:54
to a blue state, and then every federal election
31:57
is now toast for Republicans.
31:59
Again, this seems like conspiracy theory stuff.
32:02
And pre-2020, I probably wouldn't even have said this out loud
32:06
'cause I thought it would have just been
32:07
too outlandish of a plan.
32:09
But this in its most basic form,
32:11
even as nefarious as it is, that seems like the plan.
32:15
Like if I were to create this plan
32:17
with a cabal of evil people, it'd be like,
32:19
hey, we're just gonna get these people here
32:20
and eventually Republicans will cave.
32:22
Do you see it that way?
32:24
Do you see a future where that's gonna happen?
32:25
- I can see, I mean, I'm gonna play along
32:28
with you here for a second, okay?
32:30
First of all, you can't control how someone's gonna,
32:34
someone's gonna register to vote
32:35
or they're gonna vote for you.
32:36
So you're kinda taking a hard what-ifs on that.
32:40
And especially with the Hispanic population now
32:43
turning towards Republicans instead
32:45
of going towards Democrats.
32:46
You gotta keep in mind, a lot of these individuals
32:49
that migrated here, they left a lawless third world country.
32:53
They came here because we're a nation of laws.
32:56
Now they see this immigration cause wreaking havoc on that.
33:01
So you may be good if you were just talking
33:03
about individuals from Mexico
33:06
that was trying to get over here to work
33:08
to get a better life that we all know,
33:10
we all have had friends that probably came
33:13
over here illegally.
33:14
I mean, they're in our lives, they're in our lives.
33:17
But what you have now is you have this open border
33:19
that's been going on for four years.
33:22
You have 8.8 million people that come across
33:24
and they're not just Hispanics anymore coming from Mexico
33:27
wanting to work.
33:29
These are criminals.
33:31
And I'll take you back to 1978, 1979 to 1984
33:36
when Miami, Florida was the most dangerous country,
33:39
one of the most dangerous countries in the world,
33:41
definitely inside the United States.
33:42
But I think it ranked up with one of the most dangerous
33:43
countries in the world per capita for murders
33:46
and for violent crimes.
33:49
And what had happened then is Cuba
33:51
had released basically all their prisons
33:54
and their assigned mental health places.
33:59
And they put them into boats and shipped them to Florida.
34:04
And it just spread havoc throughout the country
34:07
or throughout the city.
34:09
And there was high crimes, there was burnings of gels
34:12
when they were locking them up.
34:13
I mean, it just caused problems.
34:15
Now look what just happened in New York.
34:20
There's a lot of criminals that are coming from Venezuela
34:23
all across South America, but we'll use Venezuela
34:25
for example, because there's a lot of criminal activities
34:29
coming from individuals that came from Venezuela,
34:31
especially organized crime.
34:33
And I'm not saying that the government's shipping them here,
34:37
but you have 7 million people that's left Venezuela.
34:41
And if your business is robbing and terrorizing
34:45
your neighbors, there's no one else left to rob and still.
34:49
So you've got to come to the United States.
34:51
Those individuals would keep that from taking place.
34:54
So the amnesty to which you're talking about,
34:57
no one's going to give amnesty to bad behavior.
35:01
So even if you soften this 10 years down the road,
35:05
these criminals are still here.
35:06
And the criminal doesn't just straighten up one day
35:08
and decide not to be a criminal anymore.
35:10
They don't believe, they don't look, they don't think that.
35:15
So I think that could have happened
35:18
if you're just talking about people from Mexico,
35:20
but now that you have all this criminal activity in,
35:22
people are fed up.
35:23
And that's why you're seeing these blue cities
35:26
and these sanctuary cities.
35:28
Cowell are going, we got to do something.
35:32
We need a secure border now because it's,
35:34
the neighborhoods are rough.
35:35
I was in New York last week.
35:38
And I went right past the hotel that they're all staying in
35:42
because I was meeting one block away and it's rough.
35:45
I wouldn't want to necessarily walk down there.
35:47
I wouldn't,
35:48
I don't know if I'm probably walking down there myself,
35:49
but I wouldn't want my wife to be walking down there
35:51
by herself, I promise you that.
35:53
And it's not that because of their Hispanics
35:56
is because it was a rough looking crowd.
35:58
I mean, you understand rough if you've been around it before
36:02
and that was a rough crowd.
36:03
That wouldn't be a crowd you want to mess with.
36:05
- No, and I'll be honest at the end of the year,
36:08
last year I always do kind of predictions for new stories
36:10
that I think will happen.
36:11
And one of my more macabre predictions
36:13
that I hope is super duper not true
36:15
is that I thought that there was going to be a major terrorist
36:18
attack inside the interior of the United States
36:20
perpetrated by an illegal immigrant.
36:22
Because obviously as we've seen and as a lot of people
36:25
have said over and over,
36:26
we're not just getting people from Mexico,
36:28
Central America, South America.
36:29
We're getting people from every country on the planet,
36:32
including countries that have people that hate us.
36:34
And they don't hate us because of our policy.
36:37
- There's been many different countries
36:38
have been people from 170 different countries
36:41
been apprehended this year already.
36:43
- Right. And so we're talking Iran.
36:44
We're talking North Korea.
36:45
We're talking Syria.
36:47
We're talking about these places that these people don't hate us
36:50
because it, right, all of the stands,
36:52
they don't hate us because of our policies
36:54
and the things that we've done in the Middle East.
36:55
They hate us because they hate us.
36:57
And they want us to die because we are the infidel.
36:59
And if these people, there was even a known terrorist
37:03
that had just got out of prison
37:04
that was interviewed on the Southern border.
37:06
And the people are like,
37:07
"Who are you? What's your name?"
37:08
And he goes, "You will know my name soon."
37:09
I can't remember the guy's name.
37:11
But this is a guy who has served prison time for terrorism
37:14
in another country.
37:15
And now he's in the interior of the United States.
37:17
Where exactly?
37:18
We don't have any fricking idea.
37:20
But I'm assuming he's not sitting in a hotel room by himself.
37:22
I'm assuming there was a cell of people
37:24
that he's already linked up with.
37:26
And so I know you got to run here in a second
37:27
and go do your actual big boy job.
37:29
But I guess the last thing that we want to talk about here
37:32
is again, Americans are pretty fed up Mark Wayne
37:35
of these bills where there's so many things
37:38
attached to one bill.
37:39
So there's Ukraine funding and then there's Israel funding
37:42
and then there's funding going to Gaza
37:43
and then there's funding going to this.
37:44
And then we've got this pet project and that pet project.
37:47
So I've heard rumblings that because this thing
37:49
is basically DOA, this proposal is basically dead on arrival,
37:53
that the Senate is now going to break these bills up.
37:56
And so Ukraine funding will be its own bill.
37:58
And border, whatever is going to be its own bill.
38:00
Is that going to happen?
38:01
You're already shaking your head.
38:02
That's not going to happen?
38:03
- So last night, if you pay attention, mind you,
38:05
this is Wednesday, so Tuesday night,
38:07
the house tried to bring up Israel bill by itself
38:11
and it failed.
38:12
- Yeah.
38:13
- So what reason why you see these cobbled together
38:16
is because there's some people that they don't care
38:18
about Israel and they're not going to vote for it.
38:20
There's some people that they don't care about Ukraine
38:23
and they're not going to vote for it.
38:24
But they do care for Israel and some that don't care
38:26
for Israel cares for Ukraine or Indo-Pacific,
38:29
which is Taiwan.
38:30
And so the reason why you put those together
38:32
is because usually not one can stand by itself.
38:35
So you put them together to try to get the votes
38:38
for the packages of the whole.
38:40
And that's just the negotiations.
38:42
That's this reality.
38:44
I mean, we have 100 senators that represent
38:47
50 different states and we have 435 members of Congress
38:51
that represent 50 different states.
38:53
We all have different interests.
38:54
We all come from unique backgrounds.
38:56
We all have different things that drive us there.
38:59
So when you couple these together,
39:01
it's because it's the only way you can pass them
39:04
because it's got to have something in there for everybody.
39:06
That's why there's never a perfect bill
39:07
and there never will be a perfect bill.
39:09
Like I said, they tried to pass Israel funding
39:12
by itself last night in the House,
39:14
which is Republican control and they couldn't get it passed.
39:18
So what you're gonna see is a slim down portion.
39:21
So basically what we're gonna do is take the border bill out
39:25
and vote on Ukraine, Israel and Indo-Pacific, which is Taiwan.
39:29
And any may have a supplemental disaster portion of it too
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because the people that really don't care
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about international affairs, they want to have disaster relief.
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And so there's the fires in Hawaii
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and then some of the storms that we've been dealing with,
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the heavy snow storms we're dealing with on the West Coast,
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all that disaster has to be refilled
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because we're basically already out of money for FY 24.
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So that's the disaster bill's in there
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and that's to get another group of people to vote for it.
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Because you don't have enough people to support any one issue.
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- Sounds complicated.
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I don't like it.
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- It's politics, but that's what we've been doing.
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We've been doing this since the conception of this country.
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And that's why I say there's never been a perfect bill ever.
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I mean, even the constitution was amended.
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So there's always give and takes in this
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and that's reality we live in, not everybody's from Oklahoma.
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- Well, you say there's never been a perfect bill?
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Well, I'm giving you that as your goal
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for 24 mark when you are going to author the perfect bill
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and maybe by the next time we talk in March,
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you will have done so.
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- It might be something simple.
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Like everybody agrees I had the best beard in Congress,
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something like that.
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- You have one of the only beards in Congress.
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Okay, I saw that Ted Cruz was maybe going to grow out
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the mutton chops according to Babylon beard.
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- It's kind of beard.
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- It's kind of beard.
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- He's got a strong beard.
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JD's got a strong beard, but Cruz,
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I don't know what he's got going on there,
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but it looks like something that we used to call it mangy dog,
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so that's kind of how it looks.
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- Yeah, that's kind of how it looks.
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You got a bunch of beeping and buzzing going on over there.
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I think that means you got to go.
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So we'll talk to you next month.
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