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This is Undaunted Life, a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, today I've got a very special interview with Eric Metaxas.
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So he is the number one New York Times bestselling author.
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He's also a speaker and conservative radio show host.
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He's written biographies on Christian giants like William Wilberforce,
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Martin Luther and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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Actually, the Dietrich Bonhoeffer book is on our book list.
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The 100 books every modern Christian man should read list.
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It's an incredibly, incredibly important book.
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He's also written some comedy books, some children's books,
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and he even wrote a script for Veggie Tales, which I found out.
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But he's got a new book out this week.
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If you're listening to this on time, it came out Tuesday, okay?
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It's called Is Atheism Dead, okay?
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So this book is basically in response to what has been happening in the culture since the
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60s, specifically since the 1966 Time Magazine article or Time Magazine cover, which basically
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asked is God dead.
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And this book is a tremendous breakdown of a lot of the things that we've just taken
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for granted in this more secularized culture that we live in.
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And we dig into a lot of those things.
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Now, guys, we didn't have a lot of time in this interview because he was in between interviews.
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This is release week.
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So we're just lucky that we even got to spend some time with him.
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We feel very, very thankful for that.
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But this guy, you're going to be shocked or maybe not shocked.
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A lot of the things that he said in his interview just kind of off the cuff are things that
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we talk about here all the time on this program, okay?
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I absolutely love my time with Eric Metaxas.
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We're going to be getting into more things later on.
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We're going to have him on so we can have a more proper kind of long form interview and
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dig in a little bit more.
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But guys, I'm not going to keep him from you any longer without further ado.
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Let's get into it.
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Eric Metaxas, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Would I be happier, thank you for having me on this podcast.
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I already like your audience from the description.
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You just gave me.
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Hey, you know what?
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These guys love guys like you because you bring it whenever you write books.
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I mean, you write long lengthy books, but there's a lot to it.
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There's a lot of meat there, but you're a very prolific writer.
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I mean, I think I counted 20 books since the mid 90s that you've been able to be a part
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of and put out.
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So the most generic way possible to start an interview, why did you become a writer?
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Well, there are certain things that you can't explain except to say, you know, since I'm
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a Christian, I see that the Lord created me to be a writer.
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There's just no question in my mind.
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I mean, I remember just being in high school, I didn't grow up in a writerly family.
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I mean, my folks are working class European immigrants.
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We weren't big readers, but I always had an affinity for words.
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When I was in high school, I loved the humanities.
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When I got to college, I was like, this is what I want to do.
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Now I didn't know what I wanted to write about.
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I was not walking with Jesus.
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I mean, I was just confused and stumbling through.
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And when I was really dramatically born again at age 25 in a dream, the Lord just got a
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hold of me 100% and I knew that I wanted to write for his purposes, but I didn't even
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know what that meant.
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And so it's taken me a little while to figure it out, but it's just how he made me.
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There's no other way for me to account for it.
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Well, you've written a lot of books with a lot of different publishing houses, but most
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of your books are, if not overtly about God, they're tangentially about God, right?
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And so I think it's an impressive thing.
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But have you ever been asked to kind of stray outside of that calling?
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Has it ever even been an interest of you to go outside of that?
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Well, I mean, I want to glorify God with my gifts.
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And sometimes I think we do that by not talking about God or about, because I think, you know,
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like when I write a book about Bonhoeffer or Luther or, I mean, I wrote those books.
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My book, If You Can Keep It, I wrote those books obviously for people of faith, but also
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for people who are not on the same page as we are so that when they read, they're interested
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in an historical figure like Luther.
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I mean, the man changed the world.
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Who was this guy?
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When you read that book, you know, it was reviewed in the New York Times.
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Now, if it had been like a faith, faith book, they wouldn't have even looked at it.
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But they reviewed it because it was a biography.
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Of course, in the biography, I'm able to share the gospel five times because that's Luther's
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story.
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And so I really mix and match.
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I have a lot of interest, but I mean, look, we know that all truth is of God.
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We know that all goodness and truth and beauty points to Jesus.
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So the only question is the details.
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And I'm probably going to be writing a book on the discovery of the tomb of Odysseus in
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Greece, which overtly has nothing to do with the Lord.
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But a lot of times when I do stuff like that on my radio program, if I interview somebody,
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you know, like Paul Anka or Rich Little or some celebrity, or I talk to somebody who's
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written, I talked to somebody, they wrote a book about Truman Capote, the author.
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There's nothing ostensibly Christian about it.
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But part of what I'm doing is I'm trying to draw in people who wouldn't listen if we
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were talking apologetics.
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And so they listen and they're fascinated and maybe they'll listen to the next show
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and the next show will be about somebody who's experienced some crazy miracles or it'll be
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about somebody who is, you know, saving people from sex trafficking in the Philippines because
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of their Christian faith.
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So I deliberately mix and match because I feel like it's an effective way of doing evangelism.
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So yeah.
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So there are times when I do things that seemingly have nothing to do with the Lord.
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But in my mind, of course, they do.
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Well, I think you've done a great job of kind of weaving those things together because
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another theme that kind of writes through a lot of your books, which I've taken a lot
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of them down is manhood.
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So you wrote seven men and seven more men.
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You obviously did the biographies of William Wilberforce and Martin Luther and Dietrich
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Bonhoeffer and we have a book list on our website called the 100 books every modern Christian
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man should read and that Bonhoeffer biography is on there in the in the biography section.
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It's an absolutely astounding book, but manhood and great men of history seem to be a point
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of interest for you.
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It's the only art for us here on our show as well.
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Yeah.
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And why?
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Because we're living in a time where anything of God is being deconstructed and destroyed.
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The enemy is on a war path and what do you attack if you hate God?
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You attack men because Jesus was a man.
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We pray to God the Father.
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There is something in that that touches God and that if you want to attack fathers, if
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you want to attack men, you're hurting women and children when you do that.
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So if you love women and children, you need to understand that God's idea of manhood is
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everything and that's been under attack and the reason I wrote the book seven men is specifically
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because I said there's a war on men in the culture and who does it hurt?
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It hurts women.
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It hurts children.
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You need to understand what God's idea of a man is and that's why I wrote seven men.
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I also wrote seven more men, which is obviously seven more men that fit in this category.
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Frankly, I think it's at the heart of everything and we need to be about everything.
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This is all God calls us to different things but when I thought of that, part of it was
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that I couldn't write, I can't write three or four hundred page books about every one
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of these men but I thought if I put seven short biographies in a book, people who don't read
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a ton, they would read that because those are shorter stories and we need to get the stories
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out.
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They're good stories for men like me and men like everyone listening to this right now
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to grasp and wrap their heads around because we're in an age now where just the mention
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of masculinity is in and of itself toxic and so I think it's good for us to be able to
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attach to men like that and also to mimic men like that and also to be manly men and
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to trigger the people, rejoice when you trigger them because it means you're over the target.
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Being a manly man is spiritual warfare.
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When you think about Jesus, I mean he was a builder of houses, a carpenter, the bravery,
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the heart of Jesus, the heart of some of the lions of the faith, that's who God wants us
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to be.
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And if you're living in a world where the faith has become feminized and when you have
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a Jezebel spirit at war in the culture, if you don't deal with that, if you don't go
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to war with that, God can't really use you.
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And so to me, this is a really central issue.
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That's how we love women.
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That's how we love children, not by becoming like them, but by becoming the men who God
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created us to be.
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You're speaking my language, Eric, like this is all music to my ears, but I just got to
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tell you as a quick aside, you change my view on manhood with the book Bonhoeffer's.
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And then we'll get into the new book here in just a second.
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But with that book, this is a guy that wasn't your typical masculine man, this culturally
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masculine man, but the dude was a gangster.
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He tried to kill Hitler and so I'm reading through this and this is this fairly effeminate
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pastorally type guy.
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No, no, no, I'm going to cut the head off the snake and the snake happens to be chilling
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in Berlin right now.
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And I just like, man, just an incredible, incredible book.
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Oh, it's so amazing too, because he really was, I mean, the people who knew him described
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him as like athletic and sporty.
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He really was, but he was so cerebral that you don't get that part of it.
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But I mean, it is, I mean, and that's the other thing too.
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We don't want to tell every young man that, you know, you need to be a martial arts fighter.
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That's garbage.
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That's worldly manhood.
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God's idea of manhood comprises all these things.
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Some of them are going to be bodybuilders.
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Some of them are going to be, you know, skinny, cerebral people, but it's the heart of a man
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that God is looking at.
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And I really think that, you know, that's another thing the culture does, right?
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It creates a caricature of toxic masculinity.
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And anything, what are you talking about?
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You know, when I look at the men in a lot of the movies that I watched growing up, whether
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it's the 50s or the 60s or the 70s or in the sitcoms, you know, they were, some of them
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were elegant.
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They, you know, they're wearing a hat and a suit, but they were men.
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They acted like men.
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And I really think that that whole idea, the idea that you get a choice between being
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a feminist or being like, you know, a storoidal monster, like that's garbage.
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God's idea of manhood is different and we need to get that because not everybody is,
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you know, supposed to be a, you know, a mixed martial artist fighter, at least I'm not.
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Well, we attack a caricature manhood all the time because our definition at Undaunted Life
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of what a man is, is a male that cultivates spiritual, mental and physical resilience on
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a daily basis.
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So you could be into fighting and hunting in four-wheel drive trucks, or you can be
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into art, cooking and poetry and do that.
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You can do that in both ways.
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But hey, we're going to get off on a tangent here.
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We don't have a lot of time.
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We've got to talk about the new book.
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Is atheism dead?
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I'm not the fastest reader in the world, but I took this book down in about three or four
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days.
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I thought it was absolutely fantastic, very accessible, even though it was incredibly
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incredibly deep.
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But I love the description of the book that I read somewhere that it's basically an answer
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to the 1966 Time magazine cover, which posed the question, is God dead?
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And then we subsequently saw the deterioration of culture from there.
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So you break down evidence and arguments against the idea of a creatorless universe, right?
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And you essentially are doing a full frontal assault on many of these atheist tropes concerning
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how everything came to be and why we're here.
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Is that a pretty good summary of what you set out to do with this book?
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Absolutely.
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In fact, it was the 1966 Time magazine cover article is God dead that made me think about
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this title.
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And so, you know what, the evidence has piled up over the decades.
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And in the second world in which we live, no one, including most Christians, even know
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about it.
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As I've discovered this evidence, I've been blown away.
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And I'm a kind of a guy.
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I'm all about communication.
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I think like it doesn't matter what's true.
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Do people know that it's true?
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Does your average Christian know that the scientific evidence for God is mind blowing?
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Most of us don't bump into that information.
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And I said, in this book, I want to put the basics of it so that your average person who
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can read a book will say, oh my goodness, it's open and shut.
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Science in these last days is doing the thing that nobody dreamt could ever happen.
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It is pointing like a laser to God.
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Now, a lot of people when they hear me say they go, that's just crazy.
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Read the book, I dare you to tell me I'm wrong because I know I'm not.
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There are so many arguments from science, whether you're talking about the Big Bang,
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the fine-tuned universe or the abbey of Genesis stuff, which is like the most fascinating
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to me, it gets freaky and hardcore atheist, materialist, scientific people that say there's
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only the material universe.
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If they look at this evidence, they are shaken.
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Don't kid yourself.
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They are shaken.
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They don't know where to go.
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They come up with insane, ridiculous, anti-science ideas like the multiverse theory.
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That's called desperation.
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I also deal with evidence from archeology.
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Most believers don't even know most of the evidence from archeology.
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Archeology for 170 years has been pointing to the truth of the Bible in a way that if
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you just look at the highlights, which I put in the book, you're going to say, how did
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I not know this?
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This is nuts.
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How did I even buy into the fact that my faith is intellectually questionable?
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On the contrary, what's intellectually questionable is people who don't have your faith.
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I'm not saying that to be triumphalist.
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I'm saying you need to just know that this is true.
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At the end of the book, I talk about atheism itself and how the new atheists were so intellectually
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sloppy and they were allowed to get away with that in many ways by Christians who were
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polite and I thought, sometimes being polite is not loving.
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If somebody says something insanely stupid, pointing that out is a loving thing to do.
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A lot of the new atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, these are brilliant men
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who when it comes to philosophizing are horrible.
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I could not get over how bad some of their writing and what they said was.
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It was embarrassing to me.
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It would be like if I went out and started to lecture on calculus and people would be
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like, well, I don't want to embarrass him or whatever.
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Well, you're not doing somebody any favors if you let them blather like an idiot and
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sell books so that 10 years in the future some guy like Eric M. Taxis is going to read
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a couple paragraphs and say, this is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
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If you care about somebody, you're going to call them on what they're saying.
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They said things that are so ridiculous.
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What's interesting to me is there are one of the astounding things in this book, which
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again, half of this stuff that I discovered writing the book, but one of the most astounding
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things I discovered, which I still almost can't believe, the two most famous atheists
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in the 20th century, or probably two of the most famous, Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus,
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these French existentialists that were very honest about trying to figure out, we live
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in a world without God, what does that look like?
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How do we have ethics?
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How do we have a moral code?
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They tried to work that out.
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They were serious about it.
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They were not happy about it.
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You have people like Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins and Company, they act like giddy that
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they think there's no God.
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If you're serious about this stuff, you're not giddy.
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You think this is bleak, atheism is bleak.
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There's no meaning.
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There's no truth.
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There's no goodness.
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How do we get past this?
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Well, what I discovered was that those two men, and almost no one knows this, and that's
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why I think people are going to write about this, they're going to attack it.
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This is a fact.
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These two men that took atheism more seriously than almost anybody at the end of their lives
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independently, one in 1960, the other in 1980, came to faith in God.
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That is a headline.
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That is like loony stuff that we don't know this.
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How do we not know that these people who wrote books that are being read in colleges
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today on this philosophy, this atheist philosophy, both of them came to believe in something
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dramatically opposite of what they were writing in those books?
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That's why I wrote this book is that I've got to get this information out, so I'm begging
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anybody listening, please buy a copy now because the secular world tries to crush this stuff.
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It doesn't get out of the gate, which is like this week with big numbers, it doesn't hit
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any bestseller list, and it goes away.
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So I just beg you, if you think you'll buy a copy, please buy a copy like now, and on
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my website, which is ericmataxis.com, if you scroll down on the page, the book page, there
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are some links where it's literally 45% off.
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That goes away at the end of this week.
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So please take advantage, it's just important to share this on social media.
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I really believe the Lord led me to write this book, it wasn't some brilliant idea I had,
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and I just, let me put it this way, I know he's going to use it, so I'll leave it at
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that.
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Well, I think it's a great deal, and we have that in the show notes for you guys, so you
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can go and check that out yourself.
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Again, this is coming out the week of the release of the book, so make sure that you
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do that, it's a very, very important book.
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And guys, in order to get into some of the scientific arguments that you talked about,
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eric, you know, you have to get into the books, you give a lot of detail, same thing with
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the archaeology, but I want to skip to the third part, which you alluded to, the third
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part of the book where you're talking about some of these atheists, there was one particular
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quote, there were several, but I had to pick one just so that we could talk about it right
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now.
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So I want to read it to you here and get a little bit more context.
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Before 1991, the Oxford mathematician, John Linux, traveled a numeral times to the Soviet
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Union and to Soviet block countries.
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Since the fall of the Soviet Union, he has gone back and spoken with those who once believed
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that communism might be a good thing who thought that atheism could bring about a better world.
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We thought we could get rid of God, they said to him, and retain a value of human beings.
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We were wrong.
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We destroyed both God and man.
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I feel like that one quote that we get from, you know, John, John Linux, the great mathematician,
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somewhat summarizes that third portion of the book, which is this utopianistic idea as
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to what society can be as fallible humans and what we can create is absolutely bankrupt.
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Oh, it is.
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I mean, there's so much like that.
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And by the way, I say to people, if you want to read the last third of the book first,
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like that's some of the more entertaining writing, feel free.
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I just, I thank God, I thank the Lord that he allowed me to put this book together.
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I think it's going to arm the body in a way that we need at this dark time and he's going
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to use it for his purposes.
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And I believe revival is coming.
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And this is, this is just a part of it, but it's, it is, it's an important part.
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And I, I'm like humbled that I get to, to, to put this information out there.
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Well, you spent a lot of time in that last section, kind of taking away the foundations
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of what a lot of, especially the new atheist, but then just kind of our more secular culture
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has come to be.
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But as you were doing this as an intellectually honest person, which I'm assuming that you
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are, I'm sure you came across arguments that were a little bit vexing even for you.
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And so the thing that I was curious about while reading this, just being a little bit
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cynical is what is the best atheist argument for a creatorless universe in your opinion?
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I, I don't think it's possible to believe that the universe is creatorless period.
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What I do see is the atheist point of view, in other words, the questions that smart people
21:21
have saying like, a lot of this doesn't make any sense.
21:26
Like a lot of this, what you believe sounds insane to me.
21:31
The whole idea of this infinite being, creating the universe, who is this infinite being,
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where did he come from, what it just sounds nuts, and I'm not having it.
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I get that.
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I get that emotionally.
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I feel that myself sometimes.
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So I think we have to be honest that people have good questions and good objections.
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But on the facts, I think we're at a place now where we just have to go, you know what?
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This might sound crazy, but the alternative definitely sounds crazier.
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And if I want to be logical, I'm going to have to go with this crazy because this crazy
22:07
has the facts backing it up, or at least has way more of the facts backing it up.
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So I say that very sincerely.
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I think it's a fantastic read guys.
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I mean, again, it gets a little heady in different sections and I'm a very straight
22:20
from the beginning to the end type person.
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So even though you encouraged us to jump around, I just can't do that.
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I got to stay in my lane.
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I got to go from beginning to end and read every single word.
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But I know in you've alluded to some future projects, you know, the tomb of Odysseus and
22:31
different things like that.
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But what can you tell us about other things that you're going to be working on in the
22:35
future?
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Do you have any other big biographies coming up?
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What can we expect from you in the future?
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Now, I want to write a sequel.
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My last book before this is called Fish Out of Water, which is the story of my life up
22:49
until I came to faith.
22:51
And a lot of it is just really funny.
22:52
If you just want a funny read, which, you know, it touches on the important questions,
22:58
but there's a lot of humor in it and it ends with my coming to faith.
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And it's a good book if you just want to get away from, you know, all this heavy stuff.
23:07
But it ends with my coming to faith.
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And I want to write the sequel, which starts with me coming to faith and all the experiences,
23:16
many of them, genuinely miraculous that I have had that tell that story.
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I think it will also be a fun read.
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But it's going to blow some people's minds because I've experienced real miracles.
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I don't say that lightly.
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And I want to express that in a journalistic literary way.
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So that book and the Odysseus book are probably the next ones I'm working on.
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I'm working on raising money to fund Socrates in the city because I want to do that like
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practically every week.
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There are a lot of projects, my, if you can keep it book, I want to turn that into, you
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know, a video series because not everybody's a big reader.
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So a lot of that stuff I'm working on too.
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But I praise God I get to do it.
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Well, we'll make sure that we can have you back on at some point to go into more detail
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in some of those things, but I did have a couple of ideas because you didn't ask me
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for advice, but I'm going to give you some.
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There are a couple of biographies that I think Eric Metaxis needs to write.
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Okay.
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So St. Patrick and St. Nicholas, those are two very, very culturally significant men that
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most people have no idea who these men really were.
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St. Nicholas, you want to talk about a gangster, we were talking about Bonhoeffer already.
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I mean, those two guys are absolutely incredible.
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I wrote a children's book about St. Patrick that has not yet been published.
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Okay.
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There you go.
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Where I'm still listening.
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I think it's easy to get published.
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I can't get published.
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St. Nicholas, same thing.
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I didn't write a book about it, but those are two awesome ideas.
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I don't say this.
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A lot of times people have ideas like, Oh, sorry, I'm not writing a biography on John
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Calvin.
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Yeah.
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Well, let me tell you those are great ideas.
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So let me say thank you and I'm going to actually pray about that.
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I appreciate that.
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Okay.
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Sounds good.
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I know we're running up against time, but that's all for me.
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Tell us.
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This was fun.
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All right.
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Guys, that'll all be in the show notes.
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Thanks for coming on on Daunted Life, a man's podcast anytime we'll do it again.
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There you go.
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Guys.
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I hope you enjoyed my time with Eric Metaxis.
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But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost.
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As you know, by now at undaunted life, our mission is equipping men to push back darkness.
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And specifically, we do that with content like this podcast that helps you forward spiritual,
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So we've got the link to Eric's website.
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So that's where he said to where you can go and get like 40 or 45% off on the book.
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So you can check that out there.
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And on some of the other links that he was talking about also, we've got a link in his
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website.
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And I've got the link for you just to go to his atheism dead.
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So if you want to pick that up, I can go to it right there.
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You can just basically click the link, get right to it.
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And then also I've got a link to his radio show, the Eric Metaxis radio show, so you can
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follow along with that as well.
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