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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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All right guys, we've got a special guest on the podcast.
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Today's name is Dustin Defenderfer.
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Yes, that's actually his last name. It's an awesome last name.
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It actually has a really cool meeting. I'm going to go to text message.
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Actually, I'm doing this live because he texted me the other day
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because I guess he looked up the meaning of his name.
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Okay, the surname Defenderfer originated in Germany and means one who defends or protects.
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All right, so guys, let's go out there and beat some Defenderfer's.
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But this guy is the founder of the Mountain Tough Fitness App
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and really the entire Mountain Tough ecosystem that we talk about.
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But I actually recorded this in their studio in Montana.
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Okay, so at the Mountain Tough facility, so if you're watching this on YouTube,
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that's why it looks a little bit different than my studio here in Edmond, Oklahoma.
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But they wanted me to come out there because they've started doing something with their show
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where they're actually inviting guests to come out there
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and kind of do the Mountain Tough thing for a couple of days.
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And so they usually try to, and I don't want to ruin anything
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because this will come out before their episode with me.
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But they want to try to get you to do something that maybe you're not great at,
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but then they also want to try to crush you with a workout and then doing the podcast
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and basically just kind of living in their world for a little bit.
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And then when we get into the actual podcast itself,
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I don't know if my editor is going to edit it out.
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But there was a wide shot and there was literally like a turtle box right there.
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So if you're not familiar, that's like this wireless Bluetooth,
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like waterproof speaker or whatever that he had just given me.
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So excited, apparently I wanted to leave it right there next to me.
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So you might see that in the shot if that's not edited out.
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But when we get in there, we talk about the training that we've done.
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I'm trying to remember because we recorded my podcast for his show
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and then I recorded this podcast for our show and kind of what that would look like.
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So some of this is going to be crossing over.
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But ultimately we talked about, okay, where did Mountain Tough,
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where did the idea come from?
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How did his upbringing, growing up in the outdoors
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and doing a lot outdoorsy stuff lead into this?
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Because the guy spent a lot of time doing ministry work in Africa.
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And he thought, you know, even whenever they were expanding their family
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and adding children that they would continue doing that,
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but then it became apparent that he needed to come home.
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But then also, you know, we talked about, again, trying to remember
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if it was my conversation on his show or the conversation on our show.
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But, you know, he kind of had that good corporate job,
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but he felt like God was calling him to something else.
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And then we do talk about the development of the Mountain Tough app
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because it started out with him training three guys in a park behind his house, right?
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And now it's probably, it's for my money,
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it is the best fitness app that I have ever seen.
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And I've used some different fitness apps and I've suggested several for other people.
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But Mountain Tough is just, it's just different because it takes you where you are
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because originally it was like, okay, we want to get people ready for mountain cheap hunts
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or elk hunts or bear hunts or something like that.
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And then it just kind of expanded to like, okay, well, what if you're getting off the couch
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for the first time in a few years, you know, is there a program that helps that person?
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And so Mountain Tough has programs for that.
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Okay, what if you're a little bit too stiff?
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They've got stretching and prehab and rehab programs.
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They've also got stuff, if you're off-season, you're wanting to get strong for off-season.
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Oh, and they got stuff like, hey, if you do got a mountain hunt coming up
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or some sort of a race, like a Tough Mudder or something like that,
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they've got programs that kind of meet you where you're at.
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And also it's like, okay, where do you work out?
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Do you work out at a global gym where you have every machine
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and every freeway thing available to you? Okay, there's programs for that.
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Or do you just work out at home and you have nothing, right?
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You just have your body weight.
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Or if you just maybe just have like a step-up box or even a cooler
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and maybe you've got a Go-Ruck Ruck or something like that.
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They just got stuff for everybody.
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And I did just want to remind you guys that just for a limited time,
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because of my relationship with Dustin and the Mountain Tough team,
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they are extending an offer to Mountain Tough or to Undaunted Lifers, right?
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Where you can go to the Mountain Tough website.
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So it's just M-T-N-Tough, MountainTough, so M-T-N-Tough.com.
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And when you sign up for your monthly plan, just put in the promo code Kyle.
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And essentially what that does is it takes your 14-day free trial
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and turns it into a six-week free trial.
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And so guys, I know I've talked about this on some ads and I've announced it before.
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This is a game changer.
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So if you've ever gotten to the gym or wherever you work out, even your home gym,
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and you're like, I don't really know what to do, let them program for you.
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I've had people be like, oh, I'm ready to cultivate physical resilience.
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How do I do it?
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And what they mean is like, hey, can I come work out with you?
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Or can I do your program?
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Or can you write a program for me?
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And I always felt like I needed to do that.
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Not anymore, right?
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I've got the guys with Mountain Tough.
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This is what they do all day, every day.
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So guys, if you want six weeks of a trial to Mountain Tough, which just sign up.
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Just sign up using that code.
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It'll make them think I'm cooler, right?
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You know, two thumbs up.
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If you're an Undaunted Lifer, just go to the website.
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Do me a favor and sign up.
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But actually download the app.
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You can put it on your phone.
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You can put it on your iPad.
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You can put it on your smart television or something like that.
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Try these workouts, guys, because I went through one of their experimental workouts because
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I worked out with their noon crew, and their noon crew is what they're doing for experimental
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stuff.
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Like, hey, we want to see if this programming works.
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And they, you know, they tried to crush me and like, it was just, it was just a really,
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really solid workout for wherever you're at.
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But man, Dustin is just an aces dude.
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He's unapologetically Christian and he weaves that into what he does with his programming,
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but also with this company overall.
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Everyone I met out there was just absolutely fantastic.
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They're all kind of on the same wavelength and so I'm just thrilled that we were able
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to bring you a conversation between me and Dustin.
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So I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Dustin, how's it feel to have someone else in the captain's chair?
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It feels weird.
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It should feel weird.
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I've never sat on the side.
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I have taken over your studio.
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I feel about that.
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Two days in Utah, we're in Utah, right?
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You know what?
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Okay.
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So for those of you that don't know, because it's probably not going to make the YouTube
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video.
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So I had just gotten in Dustin's truck, like we're getting ready to go, like do a couple
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of days with mountain tough and for whatever reason, my mind went to the last time when
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I was at field craft in Utah and I'm like, oh, I can see mountains from my hotel.
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And I just go, man, it's great being in Utah and you literally smack me and go, we're in
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Montana.
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I was like, Oh my gosh.
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What a great first impression.
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So yeah, they probably didn't make the actual final edit of your video because for those
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of you that aren't paying attention to this because we're not doing a normal entrautro.
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You flew me out here at a mountain tough to do some stuff with you guys because you all
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do kind of your own version of this kind of YouTube show where, you know, you get guys
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doing some stuff that maybe they're not great at or stuff they haven't done before.
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And then, you know, workout and cold plunge and then podcasts and all that.
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And so we're flipping sides of the table because I wanted to have you on my show and
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it's like, okay, we could do it digitally later or we can do it like right now.
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So we're going to squeeze one in before I got to get to the airport.
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But like, and I want, I want to get back to all the stuff that you've done with mountain
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tough and building out the app.
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But like when you bring somebody into town, right, especially someone that's never been
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to Montana or Utah, for that matter, like, and you're trying to figure out like what
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to do with them.
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Like, how do you all like figure out exactly like, okay, how are we going to make this
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person uncomfortable and how do you gauge because some people come in and they're not
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like in world-class shape.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And so if they try to do y'all's noon day workout, which is like the y'all's noon
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day workout is like you're experimenting with programming to kind of see what you should
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be doing.
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So like, how do you kind of judge that?
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It's been awesome, man.
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We started the in person idea this year.
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So we're still recording a lot of virtual podcasts, but one per month is in person.
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So you're our in person guest for this month.
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The month before was Nick Jones, he was a marine raider that got shot in the calf in
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this big, famous battle, cave battle in Afghanistan, created a bunch of nerve damage, heard his
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story.
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The month before that, it was Remy Warren.
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So for the new idea where every in person, we do a full Bozeman, a full lab, full mountain
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tough experience on this new concept, year number three.
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And so it's been incredible to brainstorm those ideas.
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It's been so much fun like Remy Warren.
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We knew that like the guy's phenomenal with a rifle, he's phenomenal with a bow.
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We thought about taking him to jujitsu because we knew that would make him super uncomfortable.
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It didn't pan out, but we heard rumors that he was pretty terrible at a handgun and our
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idea with every person is to make them do something a little bit uncomfortable and just
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walk through that process of adversity.
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So with Remy, we had a tactical army guy teach him a bunch of handgun drills.
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It was epic.
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And then with Nick Jones, Nick Jones, I called his wife Hannah and I was like, what is Nick
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suck at?
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Because he's a special operator.
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He just finished, even after getting shot in the calf with like seven different surgeries,
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trying to repair his nerve damage after he did kind of sort that out.
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He just did a half my iron man.
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He's lifting every day.
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He's training every day.
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Yeah.
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How do you hurt a guy like that?
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Yeah.
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He's great.
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He's great at rolling.
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He's great at handguns rifles.
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He's great at shooting a bow.
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And so I was like, Hannah, what does this guy really suck at?
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And she's like, he sucks at ball sports, like terrible balls.
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And I'm like, what?
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Let's go.
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I figured his hand I coordination would be superb.
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Yeah.
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Well, it turns out like ball sports are not his thing at all.
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So we found a private racquetball court and we played a racquetball tournament, me against
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him.
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And it was probably like the most fun I've had in 20 years, like just playing racquetball.
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Yeah.
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It felt like it just being a kid again, just slamming that ball off the wall.
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Well, like that I've seen so many guys that were like amazing athletes, like great football
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player, super explosive, super fast and all that.
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But you put a bat in their hand or a racquet.
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Yeah.
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It's like, I mean, they look like they've never done sports ever before.
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So I mean, ball sports in like normal, just being in shape is not the same thing.
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Not the same.
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Yeah.
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He was getting like big old whiffs where he'd like almost throw his back out because he
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just wanted to smash that ball so hard.
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So your story is awesome because the idea we had for you, it's going to probably happen
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this year, but we couldn't line up the timing of your trip out here because we were like
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Kyle Thompson.
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What are we going to do with Kyle Thompson?
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We're like, we got to think outside the box with this one.
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And because we're like, he's, he's like Nick where he's going to be pretty good at everything.
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You know, we're not going to freak him out with, with much his physical fitness is really
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good.
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Everything's we're going to crush him with.
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And so our friend, um, Kim Green owns fallen dogs, fallen are Belgian Malinois.
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Yeah.
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That are, uh, some of the best protection dogs in the country.
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Well, you, um, there are opportunities where you can be the bite suit guy.
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You know, I've actually been the bite suit guy, but, uh, you have.
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Okay.
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So I'm glad to make him the bite suit.
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Okay.
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So Mike Ritalin, shout out to Mike Ritalin.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, retired Navy SEAL.
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He was the dog training guy, right?
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So he was basically killing people with meat missiles, right?
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Yeah.
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Meat missiles or his Malinois.
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And so I'm going to do his podcast like five years ago or something like that.
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And I say, Hey, can I get attacked by one of your dogs and his responses?
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You want to do that?
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I was like, yeah, because so I get there in the suit is like 40 pounds, right?
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And it's this big suit.
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And he set up the scenario where it's like, okay, we have the dog in the parking lot.
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You're going to be in this room and we're going to bring the dog to the room and you're
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going to be in the corner and you're going to immediately start acting aggressive.
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And then he goes, I can remember like it was yesterday.
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I've got the whole show you a video of it, but he goes, we trained them to bite right
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here.
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So guys, just listen to this.
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I'm that it's like biting like the front of your armpits like the front of your deltoid,
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you know, the, the very edge of your, your pet, right?
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Yeah.
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And he's like, it's going to look like he's the dog's trying to bite you in the face,
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but he's probably not going to bite you in the face.
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And I'm like, that word, you know, he's not a word in there.
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It's probably is a little bit problematic. And so he's like, if you, if that freaks you
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out, just give them your forearm. And I was like, no, I'm going to do it yells way. And
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so that's what we do. Like he brings the dog to it. And this is even one of his really
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good dogs. This is just an okay dog. And this dog lunges, grabs me on that. That's part
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of my deltoid puts me in the wall behind me, right? This dog's 60 pounds or something,
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right?
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He puts me in the wall behind me. And then he starts, he's pulling the dog off and then
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he's giving me different. He's like, okay, now give him your forearm. Okay. Now turn
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away and I'm going to have him bite your tricep and all that. This dog broke my skin through
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this suit. Like I had, I had teeth marks all over my forearm. I was bleeding. The back
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of my tricep was just munched up for weeks and weeks and weeks. And so, but I was like,
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how many people have like had the opportunity to get attacked by a dog like that? So like,
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I think that's a perfect idea for somebody because you're, you're never going to be in
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a scenario where you can raise your hand and do that. And you're just going to be forcing
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people to do that, which is even better.
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It's got to be the right person because not everyone's going to have fun with that experience.
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Yeah.
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Those things are the athleticism of those dogs is unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, when you see
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them when they're getting a full sprint run at somebody and then they take, take an arm
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and Mike showed me some video and some pictures of some guys because, you know, he trains these
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dogs for, you know, sheriff's deputies and for different military things. And he, you
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know, he's showing me these things of these dogs have just like sliced someone's bicep
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completely open with one bite. And like, you know, guys get real tough when they're going
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up against other humans holding tasers or batons or something like that. But the moment
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they see the dog people freak out. Yeah. And as soon as they start getting bit, I mean,
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they're, they lose it. Like very few people are going to fight through a dog to get to
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a human. And so like, that's why those things are so like, they're great tools. You know,
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I mean, incredible. And they're warriors. I mean, they're soldiers. It's, it's awesome.
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Yeah. And so y'all ended up having me taking me out to a shooting range, but it wasn't
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like kind of a normal long distance range. Like we were doing different setups where you
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were on a timer and you had to change your dope, like in the middle of it. And you know,
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you're using a rifle you're not used to. And you know, we got to the, this final, this
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final thing where y'all put rounds in a bucket and you put it like 30 yards down the hill.
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And so you had to get off eight rounds in five minutes was the goal. And so you had to run
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down, grab one round and kind of load it into the magazine on the way in, you know, get
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to the rifle and then you have to acquire the target. And man, like the heart rate is one
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thing, but then trying to acquire the target. And then I had kind of a weird thing going
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with the scope where like at one point for about 40, 45 seconds to a minute, I couldn't
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see anything of a black and I'm trying to ship backwards, ship forwards like up and down.
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And I could hear your lovely daughter, Ava in the background. She's like, yeah, that happened
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to me yesterday. And I wanted to be like, that's not helping. Like, you tell me how
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to fix it. But it was such a cool experience because like, what you've built with mountain
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tough in the community here and like everyone I met, that's on your team, they're just aces,
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dudes and gals, like, and they're just, they're all squared away. Like, they're all squared
15:12
away on their fitness, they're squared away on their professional life. I don't know most
15:17
of them personally, but I'm assuming it kind of bleeds over to that. Because you know how
15:20
it goes for people that are undisciplined with their diet and with their exercise regimen.
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It's not very common that they're disciplined everywhere else. Like all their discipline
15:28
financially, their discipline and their relationships are disciplined in their marriage. And so
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you're kind of creating this, you know, this ecosystem here, which, you know, you and I
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talked about a bit to where it's like, all right, we got to get you squared away and
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one of the hardest things to be squared away at. And then everything else will just seem
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easy.
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Yeah, we're so fortunate. I mean, the team here is incredible. And a lot of that has
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just happened over the years of looking out around people that I know and thinking about
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who I want to hire and who I want to have around me. And just taking that really slow
15:57
and strategically and making sure that, you know, the, the people that we're looking for,
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we're looking for character first. And so it's always like, what is their character?
16:08
What is their heart? And we know that regardless of their skill set, if they have the right
16:13
character character, they're going to be the right fit for the team. And so that's like
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almost every person you met, every person that's, you know, walking around the gym in
16:21
the lab that you've had the chance to interact with. It's all been, you know, based off that
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philosophy since the beginning of really their skill set, they're going to find their sweet
16:31
spot. Everyone's going to have different gifts and talents. And we're going to be able to
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most of the time build a position around that sweet spot. Yeah, but it's the, it's the character
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that's number one. Hey guys, real quick, as you've heard me describe before, I am incredibly
16:45
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that's why I want to remind you that we are partnered with Jocko Fuel. Jocko Fuel is
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to get 10% off your order. Well, so I want to kind of give a peek behind the curtain
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to the people in the audience. Do you remember how we got connected? I've seen you're trying
18:23
to remember like how you and I first got connected.
18:25
The very first time that we got connected is because I heard I heard your episode on
18:31
Mike Glover's show. Okay, that's right. So that I'll reached out that one that went viral
18:34
that you were on with Glover caught my algorithm. I listened to it and I was like, holy smokes,
18:41
I got to talk to this guy. Dude, it was such a fun time. That's still his most downloaded
18:46
or most viewed interview. And I mean, he said, Chaco, he said, like he said so many like
18:50
serious dudes. And so shout out to Glover. But so, so this is where this is what I explained
18:55
to you. And I don't get to talk about this very much. And so you understand it. I'm trying
18:59
to create an ecosystem with the brands that I partner with and the people that I partner
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with because I want to help create more types of guys. Okay. So, you know, we did this scenario
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to your workday. What are you eating for lunch or eating, you know, bull crap from the, you
19:35
know, fast food, place, Taco Bell or whatever, or you're going to have some, you know, good
19:39
clean beef. So we got primal beef. And then it's like, okay, where are you going after
19:43
work? Okay, you're going to train you just so you need a key. Okay, origin again. There
19:46
you've got your key. But there's always been a gap where guys will reach out and they'll
19:51
DM me and you get these all the time, but I'll get them to where it's like, okay, Kyle,
19:54
like, you know, I've started reading the Bible, you know, I've started, you know, dating
19:58
my wife again, I started doing all the stuff that I encourage on the show. But man, my
20:01
fitness is just I'm not where I used to be. And you know, I got asked to do this 5k and
20:05
I knew I couldn't do it. I'm getting winded going to the top of some stairs. And people
20:09
always wanted me to program for them. And they wanted to give them my workout routine.
20:14
And I'm like, dude, I, I, that would crush you. Like there's just no way in like, yeah,
20:19
and everyone's super different. And I knew of some other apps out there and like that
20:23
are pretty good that I would send people to. But the first time that I went to the mountain
20:28
tough app, I was like, Oh, this is completely different. And the biggest differentiator
20:32
for me is you're meeting people where they're at. Because if you take, you know, generic
20:37
fitness app, you know, you guys have some in mind, they're like, okay, they're telling
20:41
you exactly what you need to go by or what you need to do to kind of fit into their program.
20:46
But y'all are like, okay, so you work out on a global gym, but you don't have a trainer.
20:49
Okay, let us have the trainer. So you have full gym, you know, options inside the app.
20:54
Then you've also got, okay, so you've got a home setup. So more of like a barbell setup.
20:59
Okay, so you've got a thing like that. Okay, you're getting ready for a hunt, right? So
21:02
we need to increase that VO2 max a cardio. Okay, we got track. Okay, now you're in off
21:06
season. We need to build your strength. Okay, you got that. Hey, you've been a couch potato
21:09
for 10 years, and we're just getting you started. We're getting you initiated. Boom.
21:13
It's there rehab, rehab. You're coming off an injury, right? Something like that are really,
21:17
really, really tough, you know, backpacking, you know, mountain hunting season. Okay, now
21:21
you've got all that. And I'm just like, great, I can just send people to mountain tough and
21:26
say, okay, go on there, use this code, like use code Kyle, get six weeks to trial this
21:31
because, you know, two weeks doesn't really give you an idea of whether it's going to
21:34
be that good or not. Yeah, that's good. And so like, I guess I want to go all the way
21:38
back to the beginning because where y'all are at now is really unrivaled in terms of
21:43
my experience in this, in this whole field. But you were kind of telling me that's not
21:47
where mountains have started. I mean, so let's go back to like the initial, like idea how
21:51
to mount tough become a thing and then we'll work our way to today.
21:54
Yeah, I love that because we definitely are an ecosystem now, kind of like you were talking
21:59
about and that that was always the goal. And it just, it took a little while to get there.
22:05
We've always had glimpses of that and we definitely are a pretty robust ecosystem at this point,
22:11
but it all came from my life experience. And we're just barely getting to the conversation
22:19
in the truck around the founding story. Yeah. And the founding story, it created where we're
22:26
at now because of all the things that I learned in my life and the things that transpired
22:32
in my life led to the product you see now. So like mountain tough, just like everything
22:36
you mentioned in terms of beginner, intermediate, elite, home gym, no gym, bodyweight, heavy
22:42
pack, weight vest. There's mental toughness curriculum. There is spiritual curriculum,
22:49
be a better father, be a better husband. There's straight up like mindset courses from tier
22:58
one special operators like overcome pain, overcome adversity. There's daily prayer,
23:02
there's yoga, there's nutrition. And so everything that's required to start transforming a human
23:10
mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and nutritionally is in the app. So it's up to you to use as much
23:15
content as serves your lifestyle right now. Kind of like the kindling we talked about
23:21
yesterday, if you get into mountain tough, you're going to be surrounded by opportunities
23:26
to improve your life every day. But that came from my experience. And so kind of the short
23:32
version of that story was Montana kid, my dad came from a family of nine, seven of the
23:39
nine were boys. So I had all of these uncles, they lived in the mountains outside of Sheridan,
23:45
Wyoming, and the big horns. All we did was backpack flyfish, backpack trips on horses.
23:52
And then that started leading into deer hunting, elk hunting, elk hunting became my huge passion.
23:59
And so then we started archery elk hunting all over the Rocky Mountain West. So Montana,
24:04
Wyoming, Utah, Idaho. As I got older, my training started to focus around real world training
24:14
because you can't be good at everything. And we've seen this where like a guy will be in
24:20
phenomenal physical shape, he'll come to jujitsu and get completely crushed. Because you have
24:26
to pick your specialty and train to that specialty. And I wanted my special to be what works on
24:33
the mountain and what doesn't work on the mountain. And then how can we make human beings
24:37
always ready for anything. But really what was happening that created this ecosystem was
24:45
the deeper stuff of life. And so as I was on this elk hunting, archery elk hunting journey,
24:51
my wife and I were on this ultra marathon running journey. But the big catalyst for
24:59
mountain tough was this conflict that I think many, many listeners are probably facing right
25:05
now and have faced in their life is I think I would found myself doing what the world and
25:13
society and culture was telling me to do. Because I got a business degree because I wasn't
25:19
really sure what I wanted to major in. And then, you know, all of your friends and family
25:25
and society are telling you, you know, just get a college degree. Because it was business,
25:30
then I landed in a corporate job, corporate America job. It was it was phenomenal on paper.
25:37
So really high paying job and Bozeman at the time. But I was stuck eight hours a day on
25:44
conference calls in an office in a cubicle. And so what I found myself in is I did what
25:51
the world was telling me to do. I did what my family and friends were telling me to do.
25:56
And it was those society pressures around materialism that led me to everything that
26:03
I thought I desired, figuring out that it really wasn't what I desired at all. And you
26:10
and I were able to chat yesterday about John Eldridge and wild at heart. And I at that
26:16
moment in my life, I was really in the in the wild at heart crisis. And so a lot of mountain
26:22
tough foundation is all based on the wild at heart principles. But at that moment of my
26:28
life, like the wild at heart book was living out in my life story, because a man needs,
26:35
you know, a battle to fight a beauty to rescue an adventure to live. And for me with my wiring
26:42
of spending my whole first 28 years of my life outdoors, physically active, you're getting
26:50
a lot of vitamin D, you're getting a lot of adventure, you're getting a lot of adrenaline
26:54
from, you know, hunting trips, hiking in the mountains. And I walked away from all that
27:01
gifting and talents. Following what the world was telling me to do. Now I'm stuck in an
27:06
office, even though they're paying me a tremendous amount of money, I'm extremely unhappy, which
27:12
is a confusing moment. And I think a lot of people find themselves confused in that moment,
27:16
because you're like, wow, like, why am I unhappy? I have everything that everyone aspires to
27:22
have got the degree, you got the job, you got all the stuff, you also got the mortgage,
27:26
you also got the car payment and everything else. Yeah.
27:27
Yeah. So what that led to is I was unhappy in that experience. And my wife was in a very similar
27:36
journey, marketing degree, working at a great marketing agency. We decided to essentially
27:43
quit our jobs and try to pursue what we felt God was calling us to do. We both
27:50
found ourselves in Uganda. So we worked in Uganda together for a couple of years at a
27:56
campus that was saving kids from Joseph Coney's Civil War with the Lord's Resistance Army using
28:03
child soldiers. So all of a sudden, we had to do something where we were walking away from
28:09
now all our friends, family, close colleagues thought we were crazy. And so at first that we
28:17
were doing everything they wanted us to do, we were unhappy. Now we're doing what we feel God is
28:21
calling us to do. And they think we're crazy, but we're more happy than we've ever been before.
28:28
Like obviously it wasn't easy, but now you're living that adventure that you're supposed to live.
28:35
And so we're over there running the campus, 240 kids, you're outside every day, you're doing hard
28:42
physical farming labor. So we're building agricultural businesses so that the kids can learn how to
28:50
make income so that they're not stuck in the orphanage system for life. So we have like a
28:54
tilapia pond. We have a chicken laying egg operation, dairy cow, milk operation. So you're
29:01
outside, you're doing farm work, the beauty to rescue thing. I'm there with my wife. It's 24/7
29:08
adventure. You never know what's going to happen. And so that experience was the light bulb moment
29:16
for me of doing what the world wants you to do versus doing what God wants you to do with your
29:22
your gifts and talents and how he designed you. The funny thing about that story is when
29:27
I went from that crazy high paying corporate America job into that Africa experience. The two
29:34
years I worked in Africa on my household combined income statement to the IRS per year, we were
29:43
making 18,000 bucks a year. So I was more happy and rewarded than ever before off 18,000 bucks a
29:53
year. And so all these pieces started creating mountain tough because I had the outdoor experience,
30:01
I had the elk hunting experience, then we have the fitness experience and especially the fitness
30:07
experience of mission specific training. And then I saw the difference between doing what the world
30:15
wants you to do and what God wants you to do. So we thought we were going to do the Africa thing
30:20
for a long time. We couldn't be happier. We built a little guest house to live in full time at the
30:26
orphanage. And we didn't have any plan B because we assumed we'd be there for the next 10 years. My
30:34
wife got pregnant with my first daughter while we were there. And we were talking last night that
30:40
like I was so naive, we were so young and naive at that point that I was like, no problem. We'll fly
30:46
home to Bozeman. We didn't have a house or anything anymore because we'd sold everything for this
30:50
Africa journey. We'll stay with friends and family for six weeks. And then once the baby's
30:57
about six weeks old, we'll fly back over here to Uganda and go back to work. And when my daughter
31:03
came out as a real human, instead of just this idea in my imagination, pretty different, everything
31:09
changed. And so I was like, as like a protector and provider, just with the, you know, the security
31:17
threats and you got into the health threats, the sicknesses, the illnesses, the travel, there's like
31:23
no way I'm taking this like beautiful baby daughter over there right now. And it was a backwards burn
31:29
the ships moment because we didn't have any other jobs lined up. We didn't have any other housing
31:35
lined up. But I'd been brewing of this mountain tough idea for years because I saw, I saw what can
31:42
start happening to people when you train them mentally, physically, spiritually and nutritionally.
31:51
And so being stuck at home with nowhere to live, no job with this newborn baby, it was, it was like,
31:59
Hey, walk right back into corporate America, because then you can provide for this child and your wife.
32:04
Or it was like, Hey, you just kind of, you just kind of trained yourself to live off $18,000 a year
32:10
for the last two years. You know that it's possible. Now's the time to start something from nothing.
32:17
And so especially I did not want to go back to what the world was telling me to do. I knew it was
32:23
time to start something from nothing. And so we launched mountain tough about as bootstrapped as
32:29
you could get. I had a buddy design the logo. So the original mountain tough logo that you see
32:36
here today. And we, I hung it at our local bow shop. And it was like you tear off the bottom of the
32:43
poster poster. It's usually firewood or puppies. Yeah. So it's like mountain tough looking to train
32:51
back country hunters. And you just tore off my phone number off the bottom on those little slits.
32:56
And three guys called me. And I started training them behind my house in the park,
33:02
because I had no equipment, no gym. So we're doing lunges on the soccer field. And we're doing
33:07
pullups on the monkey bars. And then fast forward now, nine years, this is nine years from those
33:14
park days. And we're a global app with like the most amazing community in the world. And
33:21
all of that can be connected to two things. It's connected to doing what God wants you to do,
33:30
not what man wants you to do. And then the second thing is our success is definitely rooted in
33:38
training people mentally, physically, spiritually, and nutritionally. And I always define it as like
33:44
if you have a bar stool, your classic bar stool is going to have four legs. And then it's got the
33:49
seat on top. All four of those legs have to be equally strong for that bar stool to hold the
33:57
weight of a 250 pound man. You can't have one leg strong and three legs weak or two legs strong
34:03
and two legs weak. And that's how I think that it works is our legs are that mental leg,
34:11
that physical leg, that spiritual leg, and that nutritional leg. And many people have seen this,
34:16
where if you're extremely strong spiritually, but you're really weak mentally, oh yeah,
34:24
physically and nutritionally, and you put a 250 pound man on that bar stool and only one leg is
34:31
strong. It's that spiritual leg that bar stool is coming down. And so that's the guy that is just
34:37
buried into into scripture. He's buried into church, but he's not taking care of his body as a temple.
34:44
And so he's completely out of shape, even though he's very spiritually somewhat strong.
34:49
The same thing happens on all ends of that spectrum where you have the guy
34:53
that's spending way too much time in the gym. That's right. Physically, he's an absolute savage,
34:59
but he's super weak mentally. He's super weak nutritionally. And then he's super weak spiritually. So
35:05
mountain tough success is because of that four-legged bar stool analogy. We believe that humans
35:16
need to improve every day across those four categories, and you can't just focus on one.
35:22
And so that's what started creating the ecosystem is when you get in the mountain tough app,
35:27
you're certainly going to see a program for everyone regardless of fitness level.
35:31
The programs are building that always ready human. And so it's not going to be a body building
35:39
program. It's not going to be a weight loss program. We want someone who can protect their
35:45
wife if an intruder comes into the house tonight. We want someone who knows how to handle a 14 car
35:51
pile up on the interstate on the way home from work tonight. Do you have the strength to get
35:56
your family out of the car? And do you have the mental toughness to stay calm in that situation?
36:02
And so we're always looking like, how can we build an always ready human training them across
36:07
those four pillars? And so that's where the ecosystem you see now it all came from that.
36:13
I appreciate you getting into all that detail because for me, the other thing that attracted
36:17
me to what you guys are doing and me just kind of wanted to be, I kept raising my hand like, hey,
36:21
Dustin, I want to be a part of this. Like let me let me see what we can do is what y'all are doing
36:26
specifically because you're a Christian. The people here are Christians. This is an outwardly
36:32
Christian company and you don't see that connected with fitness apps or with nutrition programs or
36:36
stuff like that. You don't really see that kind of stuff, certainly not in the package that it's in.
36:41
But even as you were describing that guy that's really spiritually adept, right? So he reads the
36:44
scripture, you know, some theological words and he can kind of, you know, spend some dispersion quotes
36:48
or different things like that. But that scenario of car accident, 14 car pile up and he's not physically
36:55
capable, perhaps even of getting himself out of a vehicle that's upside down because he just
37:00
doesn't move his body ever. But wife and kids, there's no chance, right? And so the dad who's
37:07
supposed to be always ready to provide for and protect his family is completely incapable.
37:12
But we live in this society right now where everybody assumes that the problem can be taken
37:17
care of by somebody else, right? So I don't need to take care of my body and I don't need to be
37:22
fit because I'll just take Ozempic. Or hey, I don't really need to, you know, square myself away
37:27
here because I'll just take whatever pill, whatever the next pill is that's going to help me. But
37:31
the other thing is like about the being ready part is everyone always defaults to hey, if something
37:35
goes wrong, I'll just call the police. I was like, okay, so let's extrapolate that out just a little
37:39
bit. Okay, so you're outsourcing your violence to the government. Okay, now if you live in Edmond
37:46
Oklahoma or Bozeman, Montana, the government is probably for you. And so you call the police
37:51
call the fire department, they're going to be on their way. But what do you think about the
37:54
Christians in Syria right now? Or people like what you experience in Uganda? So you're going to
37:59
outsource your violence to the government because that's essentially what you're doing. And intruder
38:03
comes into your home. You are not capable of violence. You don't want to do violence for whatever
38:07
reason. And so you call the police, so they'll do it for you. Right. So a government agent in the
38:12
average response times like seven minutes for 911 here in the United States of America. And if you
38:17
live in a bigger city, it's even longer if they even answer, right? Hear about people that just stay
38:21
on hold with 911 while they have a family member like bleeding out or while someone's in the house
38:26
with a knife or a gun. And you just ask these people like, so is that is that the optimal plan?
38:31
So when when a threat is seconds away, but help is minutes away, you think two thumbs up. This
38:37
is a good plan. But most people doesn't like their entire life is eyes closed, ears closed.
38:43
This is never going to happen to me. Like, that's why I tell people to train jujitsu all the time.
38:47
So I tell people can still carry and also shoot, right? You can't just cancel carry and not shoot.
38:51
But it's like, what's the plan? Someone has put hands on you or hands on your spouse.
38:57
And people just assume, Oh, well, I'm just going to see red bodies are going to start to drop.
39:00
And it's like, yeah, you'll see red and then you'll see nothing because your body is going to be the
39:03
one that drops. Because if that person gets the jump on you and you're not prepared to even the
39:08
score or, you know, bend it in your favor, like I just don't really understand. And you and I are
39:12
very, very similar in terms of our mindsets. But like, like we talked about on my interview that
39:17
I did on your show that's coming out out there around the same time as this, you can't make somebody
39:22
want it. You can give them the opportunities. You can say here is something if you want to be
39:27
ready. Here's something that I provided for you. Here's this fitness app. Here's this, you know,
39:33
program. Here's this podcast. Here's this, whatever. But the most frustrating thing,
39:37
I think for guys like you and me and the people that work here is the person that you just can't
39:41
convince that they're just, they've never been able to hear an argument, good enough for why they
39:46
shouldn't be a slob. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a huge topic and it is mind blowing at
39:53
times when you see that, that, that someone isn't starting to take steps forward, you know,
39:59
mentally, physically, spiritually, nutritionally, even though they, they know that they need to,
40:05
and they, they have plenty of information that they need to. So there's, there's not any more
40:09
articles that that they need to read. Yeah, there's no studies. You can show them.
40:13
Yeah. But I think that, I think that we did get close to the root of it yesterday. I think there,
40:20
there is a game changer if you can start getting people to settle in that identity world. And
40:27
the identity doesn't, you know, doesn't fix everything for getting someone disciplined in their life
40:34
journey of making improvements, but it is close to probably the biggest needle mover that I've ever
40:40
seen. And I think if people can really settle in to that identity work, they can start to see
40:48
some life changes. I think especially as a Christian, when you start understanding that life is so
40:59
short, we're here just for like that tiny little glimmer of time, like the, you know,
41:04
the Bible talks about it as man is like due on the grass in the morning and gone in the afternoon.
41:12
That is, that is like our lifetime in the big picture of the kingdom. And so do on the grass
41:19
this morning, gone in the afternoon is going to be the 50, 60, 70 years we have the opportunity
41:25
to be here on this earth. And so it is so short and so precious. And there are works that God
41:33
set out before us that he, that he plans for us to do good works set out before us. And so
41:39
we're here for a really short amount of time. And there's really important things that were put on
41:45
this earth to do in, you know, such such as time is this. And so starting to like connect that to
41:51
your identity, if you're, if you're out of shape and you're just watching Netflix all day and you're
41:57
sitting in a job that you hate, then you're wasting this precious time that you have here on this
42:04
planet. And it has generational impacts. And so the generational impacts that your kids are going
42:11
to face and your kids, kids are going to face because you didn't take advantage of the time that the
42:17
limited amount of time that you have here, people starting to settle into that identity. I think we
42:24
can start seeing some changes, even though we can't make people do what we want them to do.
42:30
If we can at least start shifting that identity, because in the more like specific examples of
42:38
that, I've seen that work where if someone's, if someone's having a difficult time hitting their
42:44
fitness journey, the things that I have seen work are, well, you know, you love back country hunting.
42:51
I know that you love it. Do you want to be able to go on these elk hunts with your boy when he's 14?
42:58
Yes, I do. Well, you're not going to be able to do that on the fitness track. You're currently
43:02
tracking. You're like, you won't even be close. Well, let's work on that identity. Start identifying
43:07
yourself as a mountain hunter and that mountain hunting identity means that you're going to pass
43:13
down this mountain hunting lifestyle to your kids and hopefully your grandkids. Hopefully,
43:18
you can take your grandkid hunting when he's 12 and it's his first year. Like, do you want to be
43:23
on that trip? Do you want to be able to hike in those mountains? Most people do. They want that
43:28
identity. And if they can start filtering their life decisions through that identity,
43:33
we can start seeing some changes. And so let's, let's, you know, pull on that threat a little bit
43:37
more. So the identity always ready. That's y'all's thing or stay dangerous with us. It's, you know,
43:44
pushback darkness, those types of things. This is always what I put to guys. It's about as effective
43:49
as you would think. Because again, you know, guys can't be moved. They have to move themselves,
43:52
right? But I'll say like, let's say it's great because, you know, you actually did this type of
43:57
work in Africa. Let's say God's calling on your life, at least for right now, the new direction
44:03
he's giving you is towards helping, you know, so helping a group in orphanage or whatever in Africa.
44:09
Okay. And so where you station every morning, you know, you get in your highlucks or whatever and
44:15
you take all your materials and you drive down the road a couple of miles and you get to the village
44:18
and then you start digging the water well or building the orphanage or blah, blah, doing all that kind
44:21
of stuff. Okay. So God's called you to do this, right? So you're over there. Not only are you on the
44:26
front lines of ministry now. So the spiritual attacks that you're going to be under are going to be
44:30
substantial. But let's say the highlucks don't work. Let's say they're broken down. Do you just not
44:37
work today? Do you just not protect the kids today? Or do you start putting some materials on your
44:41
back and start walking your way to the job site, right? And I use that as an example, because if
44:47
you're just a tub of a human being that couldn't walk two miles without any weight on your back,
44:53
it's like you have not done your part to do what God is calling you to do, right? So your part is
45:00
you have to be on in our parlance is spiritually, mentally and physically resilient, right? Because
45:06
you can't do the work that God has for you if you are only crushing it in one of those areas. So
45:10
right, you got the Jimbo guy, right? So we can deadlift the whole planet and gosh, he's throwing
45:14
extra weight on his back to walk those two miles, but he's a mental midget, right? He can't. He hasn't
45:19
read a book since high school. Like he doesn't know where Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are located
45:23
if you gave him the Bible and the whole afternoon to find it, right? And it's like, again, it's that
45:28
stool. I love the stool thing. So for us, I guess it's a three legged stool, which is even worse,
45:32
because if one of those legs is bad, you're toppling over and everybody gets to laugh. Yeah, but like,
45:36
again, for guys listening to this, like if you're waiting for that sign that you need to fix it,
45:43
whatever it is, like this is it, like this is that sign because you can't be prepared when the
45:48
moment has arrived to you if you haven't prepared for that moment, right? Because you will fall to
45:54
the level of your training, you will fall to the level of your preparedness, you will fall to the
45:57
level of what you're able to do. And then the super spiritual people will be like, well,
46:01
you know, we just got let go and let God, it's like, you don't get that from the Bible. You just
46:06
don't and you want to know why? Because the people in the Bible that were relying on God, God still
46:11
needed them to do their part. Again, I'm not saying God is limited. Like he can't, you know,
46:15
move the chess pieces however he wants. He's obviously omniscient, omnipresent and he has
46:19
sovereignty over all these things. But he's, he's working through you. You are the conduit
46:26
through which the triune God can get his will done. And that's asking your server if you can
46:33
pray for them, which might lead to a gospel conversation. That's taking care of the one
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temple that God gave you to steward well. That's providing a household and income and protection
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for your children. It's loving your wife is Christ love the church is raising up your children and
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the nurture and admonition of the Lord. It's all that stuff. But again, guys just kind of get lost
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in the minutia of what it would seem like and what it would be like if they were to do it. They do
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all this research about getting in shape. They do all this research about what it would be like
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if they were spiritually adept, but they don't spend any time pounding the payment and they certainly
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don't spend any time reading the Bible. And so it's just like, guys, like this is your big blinking
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neon sign. Like it's time to fix it. Yeah. Yeah, you said something yesterday that definitely caught
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my attention around like just having a bias for action. And I've seen that come into effect so
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many times for for a long time. It was I saw a lot of guys that had read every single field and stream
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article on backcountry hunts. They'd watched every single YouTube on backcountry hunts. But they'd
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never been out in the backcountry. It was like they needed to watch one more video before they went.
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They needed one more article getting ready to get ready. And they would even come up to you. They'd
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be like, Hey, have you seen that latest YouTube on so and so elk hunt? And I was like, no, I haven't
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watched a hunting film really in like 20 years. And they've seen every single one read every
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single article, but they won't take that step and go. And so from the hunting analogy, I'm always like,
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just pack your bag and go on a trip. Like the things that I know about hunting like everything
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in life, it took at least 10 years to be like proficient at this stuff. So it took 10 years of
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learn fail, learn fail, learn fail, learn fail before you can even call yourself somewhat decent.
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It's the 10 year principle that's going to apply to if you try a guitar, if you tried your jitsu,
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anything that you try, think about that 10 year rule. And so that is the same thing with fitness,
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mental toughness, and your spiritual walk is like, yeah, quit thinking about getting ready and just
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start taking some action. Do any sort of fitness? Like, I think we talk a lot about
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sitting people down in, I think the, you know, the biggest hack once they start, we just talked
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about like, you got to think about your identity. Hopefully that makes you want to start. I think
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the biggest hack to fitness and starting and the connection to mental toughness is just do
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some sort of training every single day. Yeah, take some ground. Yeah. And so I always would
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love people to pick mountain tough as their option. But if they don't pick mountain tough as their
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option, just do something every day. Like if you're swimming every day, if you're
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riding a spinning bike every day, if you're doing some sort of training every single day,
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you're so far ahead of the general population. And then, you know, the physical fitness is what
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starts building that mental toughness. And so I, I do believe mental toughness trumps physical
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fitness. And so mental toughness at the hardest moments of your life is going to trump your
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physical fitness, like on a mountain or like in a financial crisis, mental toughness will trump
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your physical toughness. But the nice thing about physical training is you're building some
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mental resilience every single day. And that's what's going to really help you in those big adversity
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situations that are coming. They're coming for all of us. Like we're all going to get hit with
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some major adversity and how you react in that adversity and how you get back up is the real
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game changer. And how is anyone going to react well if they've done no adversity training at all?
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So the one of the huge benefits of physical is obviously like you're getting in shape,
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you're feeling good, you're getting in great shape for whatever your sport or your activity is.
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But every time you do, every time you make yourself work out and do a challenging workout,
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you're just kind of adding some, that's right, some cubes on that mental toughness.
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What I, what I tell guys is I try to use words that are kind of sticky or phrases are sticky.
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It's like, I've seen me do that before. So what does that mean? So you wake up,
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it's cold outside, but it's warm in your bed. You hit snooze. Well, you've seen you do that
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before. And so the next day and the next day or a month from now, you've seen you do that before.
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So how easy is it to just repeat that behavior? Yeah, boop. And then you just go back to sleep and
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you don't end up working out that day. But if your alarm goes off and you peel yourself out of your
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bed and you put on your shoes and you go to your home gym or you drive to the normal gym or do
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whatever it is that you do, you've seen you do that before too. And the same thing is true,
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because I lift alone, right? I lift in my garage gym. I run sprints alone. Like everything I do is
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basically alone, like working out with you and your team. Like I never get to do something like
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that. So it was a ton of fun for me. But like I run these sprints and I have a pretty hard
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sprint workout that I do. But the last sprint I do, because I run like 10 hundreds as my workout
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with only 30 seconds resting between, I do a final sprint, but it's, it's more like 300 yards,
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probably because I like go down and around a Colesack and then I run past my normal ending spot and
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all that type of stuff. I could very easily just run another hundred, right? But I would have seen
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me do that before where Hey, but you ran 10 100s. That's crazy Kyle. Yeah, but man, I skipped out
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on the very end because I'm normally doing the sprint workout after squatting or deadlifting or
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working out for an hour, hour and a half. And then I do the sprint workout. But every time I finish,
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I've seen me do that, right? And so I can, if I ever am feeling like, you know, in my feels that
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day and I'm not really feeling that great. I'm a little bit under recovered or something like that.
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I've seen me overcome that feeling over and over and over again. And so that's just me doing it,
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you know, by myself, because I'm a lunatic, but that is something that you and your company do. But
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we got to get out of here. We got to get to the airport. But as I end every show, even though I'm
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in your captain's share, because I'm the captain now, is there anything else you want to get off your
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chest? I just, I think you're spot on with that. You know, I think all the guys we admire,
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all the guys we aspire to be like the guys that we that we really respect. I would assume 99% of the
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time they're one more rep guys. And so that's what you're doing with those sprints. And that is
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who we all want to be. And it is a really big game changer. And so like the same sprint analogy
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that you just use, how you're doing your sprints, like you, you could finish that last one or
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just like on your bench press, if if your program or your coach is calling for 10 reps,
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the one, the one more rep guys will do 11. Yeah. And if they're asking for eight dead lifts,
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they'll do nine. And they're just building that mentality. Like I can always do one more,
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because the guys that are going one less, then it becomes one less in everything they do.
53:31
Right. So if you cut that last sprint, you only run nine instead of 10, because no one's watching,
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then you're going to do that in your professional life. You're going to do that in your family life.
53:41
And so these guys that we all look up to 99% of the time, they're one more rep guys. And what
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that starts to do is it does start to turn ceilings into floors. And so the ceilings to floors story
53:57
is so spot on for my life. What happens is if if you're listening right now and you're like a half
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marathon, for sure is my ceiling, there's no way with where I'm at right now in life, I could run
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a half marathon. If we train you, you know, to start running around your block, that's one mile,
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now we're going to train you from your block to five miles. Now we're going to get you ready for
54:20
your half marathon, which used to be your ceiling. You train and you run that half marathon
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that ceiling that used to almost look impossible. Now is your floor. Yeah.
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Now all of a sudden you're like, dude, I just ran a half marathon. I wonder what a full marathon
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feels like. That's right. Now you're just ceilings to floors ceilings to floors ceilings to floor.
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And that's how this journey works. And it all starts with that, that bias for action.
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Absolutely, man. Well, thanks for having me out. Utah is a beautiful state, even though I've
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been in Montana this entire time, but can't wait to do it again. Thanks, brother.
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