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It is a billion degrees outside, but both of you all came and not sweaty.
1:36
How did y'all pull that off?
1:38
Lots of air conditioning in the car.
1:39
Okay, lots of air conditioning in the car, and women don't sweat anyway, they're just
1:42
glistening.
1:43
But, you know, we got some business to tend to tonight, but the reason I wanted to have
1:46
y'all on, and we talked about it earlier in the show, is we're having on some people
1:49
that have been in the Dominion program, and not just the guys that are in the program,
1:54
but I wanted to talk to one of the ladies, get the ladies' perspective, a wife's perspective,
1:58
and we actually have a really cool shared story that we'll get to here in a second.
2:02
But before we get to anything else, I'm always curious how people found and donned live, found
2:05
our content, why in the world they keep listening.
2:07
So, like, when did you first find us?
2:09
You remember?
2:10
It was a couple of years ago, a buddy of mine gave me one of your cigars at a men's night.
2:19
No, we were playing poker, and he gave me one of your cigars, and I was like, "Oh, what's
2:24
this?"
2:25
And he kind of said, "It's a podcast, and Joby's on there, sometimes doing ask-
2:30
Oh, she was another 11-20 tour?
2:32
He's another 11-20 tour, yep.
2:34
And I was like, "Cool," and went home a few weeks later, I was on YouTube, and I was like,
2:41
"I'm going to look this up," and I found it.
2:44
And I started listening to Ask a Pastor, and thought it was really interesting, and then
2:49
I just started listening to back material, and waiting for you to release new content.
2:56
And I was hooked, and just started listening, and then I became a monthly donor.
2:59
Yeah, it's really funny, because with Joby, I mean, sitting here in this church, he has
3:03
like 74 assistants, I think, or maybe 75 at last count, but his assistants tell me they're
3:07
like, because they see all his emails, they're like, "It's almost always, hey, we heard about
3:11
you from either I was on John Cooper, or unashamed, or something like that."
3:15
But with his assistants, it's like people are either just, they found one of his books,
3:20
or they found him because he comes on our show all the time, because those clips go out
3:23
all over the place.
3:24
And that's kind of a unique thing, where you have like a non-pastor and a pastor that
3:27
kind of get along, and they're kind of just doing a show, like just cutting it up and whatever.
3:30
And so like, was he like sharing content with you, because we have like a 5% lady listenership,
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but that 5%, they're like gangster ladies.
3:39
So like, when did you first become aware of that?
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This was a thing.
3:42
It was definitely through Will.
3:44
He started to tell me a little bit about the show, and different things about you, and
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encouraged me to listen, probably sent me a few links.
3:56
And so I enjoyed it.
3:58
And then it went way deeper, because about a year ago or a little over a year ago, I sent
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a secret email out, and Will was one of the guys that got that email because I was kicking
4:08
around this idea about, "Okay, people have consumed the show.
4:11
They've read the devotionals.
4:12
They've seen me speak live," or something like that.
4:15
But then it was always the same bit of feedback, "Okay, Kyle, but we want more.
4:19
Like we want you to help us individually, like be equipped to push back darkness.
4:23
Like we want you to help us cultivate spiritual, mental, physical resilience, whatever thing
4:27
would be."
4:28
I sent a little email to a small group of my donors, and it basically said nothing.
4:32
I don't know if you ever saw the email back, but the email basically said nothing, and
4:35
it said email back if you're interested in nothing, and I got a bunch of emails back
4:38
from these people.
4:39
And then it was like, "Okay, we'll fill out this little questionnaire and then hop on
4:42
a Zoom call with me."
4:43
And I pitched them on this program called Dominion.
4:46
And I was very open about how, "Hey, I've kind of got this mapped out sort of kind of,
4:51
but I'm looking for a group of killers, a small group of dudes that are going to help
4:55
set the foundation for this program overall and help us figure out what it's going to
4:59
look like so that we can extrapolate it out to the larger population."
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And so I guess my curiosity for you, Will, because we talked about this, but it's been
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a long time ago, but what was it about that those first couple of emails and then talking
5:10
with me to where you were even interested in this nebulous idea of what Dominion could
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be?
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You know what I mean?
5:18
Well, I was so into the content that you put out, and just the mission statement of
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undaunted life, pushing back darkness, forging resilience mentally, physically, and spiritually.
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And when given the opportunity to become a part of that, I wanted to.
5:40
Listening to your program, I wanted to do those things, be resilient mentally, physically,
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and spiritually, but you don't always know how to do that.
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Sometimes it takes outside eyes to say, "Hey, you can do this, this and this," advice or
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coaching or whatever you want to call it, and I wanted to hear more.
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I wanted to be a part of it.
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One Becky, I'm curious from your perspective, because with this first group of guys, I described
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as much as I could describe, because the program is a significant investment of time, effort,
6:13
capital, a bunch of stuff, and I was telling the guys, "There will only ever be one team
6:18
one."
6:19
And if you're on it, for better or for worse, you're setting the foundation for this thing.
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And if it goes nowhere, it's ultimately my fault, but if it goes somewhere, y'all will
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always be team one.
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And so I'm curious what those conversations look like, because you weren't on the calls
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with me, right?
6:33
It was just Will and I interacting, and then he came to you with probably this.
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I mean, if my pitch was kind of hodgepodge, I can only imagine what it was like when you're
6:41
playing telephone, and it's kind of second hand, but what was that conversation like?
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And then what kind of made you, because as I understand it, you were almost more comfortable
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with the idea than he was initially, is that right?
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I think kind of.
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If that's what he told you, well, he didn't tell me that.
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I thought I had heard that.
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Oh, did.
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Okay.
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Maybe not.
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I might be mixing stories here.
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Well, I would say that I maybe I didn't react in the way that you expected me to.
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Maybe he thought it would be a hard no.
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Hard no.
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It wasn't a hard no.
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It wasn't a hard no.
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Okay.
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And instead, yeah, instead it was definitely not a hard no, there initially Will's Will telling
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me about it when he told me about it, excuse me, he got, he almost got a little emotional.
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I feel like I heard it in his voice, just how important he felt like this could be.
7:48
And I know his heart, I know that he wants what's best for me and for our children.
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And I had known for a while that he was really, that he was really trying to find the best
8:11
version of himself in different ways in different times.
8:18
But typically, and I'll just use maybe jumping into some something new, like maybe an exercise
8:26
routine or something, or a way of eating, cutting something out, something like that.
8:30
Just something that would be healthier physically.
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And he would do it for maybe like a week or two, and he'd be real pumped about it.
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And then, and then, and then without fail, it would just kind of dwindle out, you know,
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and that's, that's pretty common.
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Super common.
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Well, I mean, Becky, you're hitting on a lot of the points, like that's, that's why we
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wanted to do this, because we kept having guys that were either confused about, okay,
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what now?
8:58
Or they would get like real fired up, right, real motivated about something.
9:01
And they didn't know how to turn that into like a lifetime discipline.
9:05
And that's how I'm wired.
9:06
That's how I've acted over the long period of time.
9:08
But when you talk to so many guys that keep having the same problems and the same struggles
9:12
to where it's like, okay, I need to help try to connect the dots for some people.
9:15
So, you know, long story short, you do become one of the first 10 members of Dominion Team
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one, but now we need to fast forward to December of last year, this would have been in December
9:25
of 2024.
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So, I'm here in town in Jacksonville because the next day I'm going to be leaving with
9:29
a group of guys from Church 1122 to go on the hunt encounter.
9:32
So, that's where they take, you know, two, three dozen guys from the church, they do
9:35
a hunting thing in Georgia, and I go with Joby every year.
9:38
And so, I was here the night before and Shane and Shane just so happened to be here doing
9:42
a Christmas concert.
9:43
And I love Shane and Shane.
9:44
So, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna come do the Christmas concert.
9:45
And so, landing our editor, shout out, landing over there, he's like, hey, just watch
9:48
it in the sound booth.
9:49
He's like, great.
9:50
So, I'm just watching it in there.
9:51
As soon as the show's over, y'all both come up.
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And so, I was like, oh, shoot, yeah, I will.
9:54
Great to see you.
9:55
But I had not met you yet.
9:56
And so, the three of us were sitting there chatting, it's literally about like 75 feet
9:59
this way from where we're standing right now.
10:01
And then someone comes up, I don't know who it was, but someone came up to talk to you,
10:04
was it landing?
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Okay.
10:06
So, landing comes up, super rude, like, and comes and walks up and just busts into our conversation
10:09
and starts talking to you.
10:11
And then, I look over at you and you do one of these.
10:15
And you just like square up with me and look me right in the eye and I was almost like,
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oh, shoot, what did I do?
10:21
I've seen eyes like that before and it didn't always go well for me.
10:24
And then you just go, thank you.
10:26
And I was, I didn't know what you were thanking me for.
10:28
I thought, oh, for being here, for, you know, supporting Jersey 1122.
10:32
And I kind of said some meandering to that, to that end.
10:36
And you were just like, no, no, no, no, no, thank you for your program.
10:41
Will is completely different than from when he started.
10:45
And then you gave just a little bit of detail about the consistency and like, you're like,
10:51
I've never seen him work out like this.
10:53
I've never seen him.
10:54
You know, take his Bible study seriously, like, you know, leading, leading us, like pursuing
10:59
me, like that kind of stuff.
11:02
And I was like, okay, you can't just cry in front of the stranger.
11:05
But I was like, it was such a validating thing to hear because it's one thing to hear from
11:09
a guy.
11:10
But guys posture, you know, guys will be like, oh, yeah, you know, things are going well
11:13
and I'm crushing it in all these areas and blah, blah, blah and all that.
11:16
But you can't fake it when you're talking to the spouse, right?
11:19
And you had no really reason why you needed to offer up that, that to me, but you did.
11:26
And it was almost like, even though Dominion had been going for seven or for several months,
11:31
that that was like the validating point where I'm like, this is a real thing.
11:35
Because like someone's wife was like, no, this is actually working.
11:39
So I don't know if I remember it vividly, that may have just been like a nothing experience
11:43
for you.
11:44
But but yeah, going back to that, that time, I'm just, and that was just a few months into
11:48
the program.
11:49
We're so much further now.
11:50
And so I guess just, I'd love to hear from, from both of you about, okay, what were some
11:54
of the things that happened with you will early on that made you be like, okay, I'm
11:57
burning the ships.
11:58
We're doing this, this, this and this.
11:59
So much so that not only did Becky notice, but she felt the need to tell me about it.
12:03
So, man, I, if I'm going to do something and invest my time, I'm going to, I'm going to
12:11
give it my all, especially when, you know, it's such an investment.
12:16
And when you holding me accountable, I've got nine other dudes holding me accountable from
12:21
all over the country, yeah, the country.
12:24
And then to be team one, it's you're set in the standard.
12:29
So I thought that was a giant responsibility to you, to myself and to those guys.
12:38
And then, you know, I've got a huge responsibility with my wife and my kids and man, I just want
12:42
to, I want to do the best I can by them.
12:46
So yeah, it was kind of like, this is one of the most important things that I'm ever going
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to do.
12:52
It's going to last a year.
12:53
I'm here to learn.
12:54
I'm here to glean from all the people we've met, got a notebook of notes and, and we've
13:03
got, you know, the recordings that you've give us that we can look back on and just having
13:08
the accountability and just saying, Hey, I'm going to study my Bible.
13:13
I'm going to read books.
13:15
I'm going to take working out seriously.
13:19
You know, actually one of the first things I did and we've talked about this is I signed
13:24
up for the program, talked to you.
13:27
We kind of stayed in contact before it actually officially began, but I went ahead and joined
13:31
a jujitsu gym because of your encouragement.
13:34
You were like, just go do it.
13:37
And I was like, okay, and you said go to go to one that's good, the closest to your house,
13:42
otherwise you won't go.
13:44
And I've been going, you know, every week for since July, yeah, of last year.
13:51
And I love it.
13:52
I've got the bug.
13:53
And, you know, I want to be able to defend my family and defend weaker people and hold
13:57
somebody down to the cops come.
13:59
Yeah.
14:00
He's going to get us all into it.
14:03
Yeah.
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Yeah.
14:05
We brought you a key.
14:06
It's over.
14:07
My kids too, man, my kids, I wish, I wish that somebody had done this way sooner.
14:16
I wish I'd had this knowledge sooner.
14:19
I wish I'm going to be the kind of, it's challenging me to be the kind of dad that's
14:25
going to make my kids, it's going to help my kids, I guess, help my kids follow the Lord.
14:34
Know that, you know, you can be a little bit weird.
14:37
You don't have to do it the way the status quo is status quo is you don't have to worry
14:42
about what the world thinks about you.
14:44
There's just important things and I want to teach them what's important in life.
14:48
Everyone will as the head of the household, they're going to have a bunch of friends,
14:51
they're going to have a bunch of coaches, they may even have a bunch of pastors.
14:53
They get one dad, they get one head of the household.
14:55
And so for Becky for you, I mean, like I said, whenever you and I met for the first time,
15:00
that was just a few months into this and you were already seeing like such, such big changes.
15:04
So what was it that you were noticing about will after you started the program?
15:10
To be honest, I'm not sure what exactly I was noticing at that moment.
15:18
At that time, because it's all.
15:21
Let's just talk about it, because we're here, we're at a year now.
15:24
Right.
15:25
Yeah, it's crazy.
15:26
But definitely we'll, we'll wakes up early before everybody else in the house and gets
15:34
into the word.
15:39
Every opportunity he gets, he's, he's, he's, he's reading the material that, that all
15:47
the guys are in at that time.
15:50
And sometimes rereading books.
15:55
And he's always sharing with me and it makes, it makes for great conversations in our house.
16:04
We're both growing because of it as a result.
16:08
I'm being poured into as he's being poured into, but in a, in a different way, I'm sure.
16:16
Maybe just the way the, the Lord intends for it to be when a man is pursuing him, when a
16:26
man is pursuing the Lord, like Willis and like the program helps men to do.
16:35
And so waking up early, the consistency that he didn't have before where he would, where
16:44
he would abandon ship, sorry, I'm a little thirsty, he, he, he has started these things.
16:56
And I mean, go, he's still going strong, it's not.
17:05
I'm not really sure what exactly you've incorporated into this program that can cause this kind
17:14
of a transformation.
17:16
But also there were, there were quite a few things around the house that could have been
17:25
done, right?
17:29
And he, it's like he just, he just gets stuff done, like constantly he's, he is just getting
17:38
stuff done.
17:39
And I don't mean to say that he doesn't know how to rest and enjoy his family more so he
17:46
does, but, but he, but he's just very productive now.
17:55
Hey guys, real quick.
17:57
Do you remember during the pandemic when you basically couldn't get anything shipped to
18:00
your house?
18:01
All this manufacturing that was supposed to be taking place in America had been shipped
18:04
overseas and you just didn't notice it.
18:06
And I remember a bunch of companies saying, we're going to do everything we can to make
18:09
sure that we bring manufacturing back to America and almost none of them followed through on
18:13
that promise.
18:14
But for me and for all of us here at Undaunted Life, I wanted to make sure that I partnered
18:18
with an American company that actually did want to prioritize American workers, their
18:22
families, their communities and a company that would keep their word.
18:26
And that's why I want to remind you that we are partnered with Origin.
18:29
Origin is an apparel company based in Maine and what do they make?
18:32
They make the best jujitsu geese on the planet and the only jujitsu geese that are made completely
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in America.
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They also make jeans.
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Yes, they have stretchy jeans.
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They also have work jeans and boot cut jeans for you guys as well.
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They make amazing hunting gear.
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And here's the thing.
18:46
I know you guys like some other hunting brands, but those companies are American companies
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that use overseas labor to increase their profit margins on their gear, not to help you or
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Americans out.
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They also offer handmade leather boots.
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That does include steel toe boots and mock toe boots and they also make workout clothes
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19:31
Well, Becky, you're hitting on a lot of the things that some of which were purposeful
19:36
to the program and some of which just kind of evolved as team one has evolved and now
19:39
we're on to multiple teams.
19:41
But it's boring, consistent, disciplined movement in the exact same direction.
19:49
That's basically what it is because, oh, great.
19:51
You worked out for a month neat and then you took off the next two years, not neat, okay?
19:55
You may as well not waste it any time that month.
19:57
And so it's like getting the right mindset and the it's a mindset of execution.
20:02
Like we are going to execute on the things that we're doing because at the end of the
20:05
day, if you have all these great ideas, if you have all these great things that you
20:08
would love to do, but you don't actually put them into practice, it really doesn't make
20:11
any difference.
20:12
And so I'm looking at the watch.
20:13
We need to get to church here in just a second because we are about to go watch Joby preach
20:16
live about a thousand feet that away.
20:19
But just for the last thing here, there are some guys right now that have heard about
20:23
the Dominion program that got in the emails, they've gotten the text messages, and we've
20:26
got people literally standing by waiting to look at the applications to see if people
20:30
are fit, set up calls for interviews, the whole nine yards.
20:33
But there are people right now that are on the fence about applying something's in the
20:36
way, something's like, oh, I don't know, like I don't even know exactly what this is.
20:40
And so it's keeping them from applying, but then we're getting flooded with application.
20:43
So that's not a huge problem.
20:45
But then there are people that go all the way through the process.
20:47
And then we explain, okay, this is what it's going to take to be a Dominion man to be in
20:51
this program.
20:52
This is the time in like investment that we expect.
20:56
This is the effort investment we expect.
20:58
This is a financial investment that that is required to be a part of this program.
21:02
It just is what it is.
21:03
And some people are just on the fence.
21:04
They don't know if they should jump.
21:06
And so I would like to hear from from Will, obviously, as a member of team one, and then
21:10
Becky as, you know, a help mate of a member of team one, as to kind of what you would
21:14
say to guys that are on the fence and what you would say to maybe gals that don't listen
21:19
to my content.
21:20
Go get don't get super excited about the stuff that I do because, you know, they're ladies
21:23
and they're not listening.
21:24
Go ahead.
21:25
First thing I would say is if there's something you feel like you're missing in your life,
21:31
there's something you feel like you can improve upon but don't know how this program is perfect
21:38
for that.
21:39
But the thing that I, one of the things that I've learned through this program is I can
21:44
make excuses about so much stuff.
21:47
I can, I have stopped making so many excuses because number one, I've learned how to do
21:53
hard things.
21:55
And when you learn how to do hard things and you see that you can do hard things, stuff
22:00
becomes a little bit easier.
22:02
It's not as hard anymore.
22:04
So put yourself to the task, put yourself, see what you can accomplish.
22:09
Don't settle for, don't settle for something less than just excellence.
22:13
The other thing is James said it, said it about the, the devillones defense.
22:19
Get off the fence, man, we're, we're at war.
22:23
If you're a believer in Jesus Christ, you are at war.
22:25
You have an adversary that wants to still kill and destroy and he wants to take your
22:29
family.
22:30
He wants to take you.
22:31
He wants to take this world, but we serve God who's way bigger.
22:35
So we're on team Jesus and if you want to get in the game, get in the fight, dominion
22:42
is a perfect program to do it.
22:44
We need more men to be equipped to do that.
22:46
All right.
22:47
Becky, you get the last word.
22:48
So.
22:49
So this is not the same person that I used to be married to.
22:59
And it's a transformation that in my, in my mind, it's, it's like a miracle.
23:13
So, so it produces so much hope in me and it strengthens my faith so much.
23:28
When I see, when I see these, these changes, when I see, when I see what God can do, when
23:39
a person is fully surrendered, more surrendered than ever before and, and somehow stronger
23:50
and more determined than ever, and so it's a testimony to Jesus Christ and his power at
24:05
work in you and it doesn't just stop with will, it stops, it doesn't stop.
24:12
It ripples out, it, it not only ripples out into the men's groups that you're involved
24:20
with now, but, but first and foremost, it, it affects me because as Christ is, is his
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head, he is my head and, and so, and then all that affects our children too.
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And really everyone around us in our community.
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So, so my hope and prayer is that this just keeps going.
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But I would say to women that are on the fence, I would say that you need to be aware that
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it's going to shake things up a little bit when, when your man walks with the Lord in
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this way.
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And so, but it, but it is according to scripture, it is, and this is why I, why I thank you
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that day.
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And so it's, it's going to be a little uncomfortable probably.
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You have to be willing to change too and, and I'm praying for you.
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Yeah, that's, that's such a great sentiment.
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It's been so great to get to know you just a little bit because of the encouragement that
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you've been personally to me for the validation of this program and we'll just see where you
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were last year when we started versus right now, when we're wrapping up, like I'm just
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thrilled to have you as a member of team one.
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And thank you guys for sharing your story.
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And let's go listen to Joby.
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I don't know if he's going to be any good, but we might as well go in there and see.
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Sounds good.
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