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This is Undaunted Life A Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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I'm David.
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Bill, welcome to the show.
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Welcome to the studio.
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Glad to be here, man.
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Good to be here.
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Good to be here.
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Yeah, it looked like he came with bells on.
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But right from the beginning, David, we got to cover a few things here.
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Because I owe you a thank you.
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I owe you an explanation for why I'm mad at you, and I also owe you an apology.
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Okay, so yeah, we're going to go in that order.
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So there was mine in my own business, okay?
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19-year-old Kyle just got home for my freshman year at UCO.
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I'm in Lawton, which is my hometown, and I need a job.
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And so my buddy had gotten a job at Hobby Lobby there in Lawton because his mom knew
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some ladies that worked in the floral department or worked in fabric or whatever.
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They're like, "Hey, they need an extra guy to help put stuff together," and all that.
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I'm like, "Cool.
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I'm in.
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So I go, I get the job.
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It's perfect," and all that.
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But then they convinced me to do this job.
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That sounded cool.
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It was called seasonal.
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Yeah.
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And so I'm thinking there's going to be some sort of like outdoor thing, like as part of
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this or whatever, but come to find out I'm on the floor, okay?
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And so two bad things about me being on the floor is, number one, they would call for
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a, "Well, I'll get to that here in a second because that's the thing I'm out of you about."
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But so thank you, first of all, because you gave me money that summer because I was able
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to take girls on dates.
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One of those girls you just met was my wife, and so it worked out, worked out really well.
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So thank you very much for that.
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But now what I'm really frustrated about is there was something called a code one back
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in that time.
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And so what code one meant is if you're on the floor doing something, you had to come
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to the front and help check people out, right?
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Problem was that at that time, there were no scanners.
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You had to be boo everything in manually into the machine or whatever.
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And if you made one mistake, you had to call a manager, right?
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And I always got the gals that had 750 different pieces of like, you know, buttons or stuff
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or scrapbooks or anything like that.
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And so I always messed up, always had to call a manager.
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And that code one was like something that was burned into my brain.
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And also the ladies that had the most obscure things they were trying to find.
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I mean, because there's only 74 trillion things in Hobby Lobby that you can buy.
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But ladies would never come up to me and ask me in July, like, Hey, where are the Christmas
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trees?
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Because the answer would be everywhere.
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They're everywhere.
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Just go just go find one and buy it.
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They would be like, I'm looking for an epoxy pour for a tabletop or I'm looking for a button
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for a civil war era doll and I'm just like, Oh, no, I have no idea where stuff is.
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But now we need to get to my apology.
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I know this is taking a minute.
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It's my last day at Hobby Lobby.
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I'm about to go back to school.
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I'm about to have to leave for my very last shift.
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And all I can think is code one, code one, code one, car.
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We need you to come to the front.
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We need you to help check people out and all that.
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I call my manager and I say, I'm not coming in today.
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And so I'm supposed to be there.
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There were people depending on me, David, and I just, I'm sorry.
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I've been like holding this burden all these years until this day.
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And so I'm very, very sorry that I did that to Hobby Lobby in law, Oklahoma.
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Well, I'm sorry I didn't work out quite as good as you should have.
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It should have been.
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So anyway, yeah, that's my legacy, right?
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Yeah.
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Because of code one.
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Because of code one and like, I should have just grinned and buried.
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It wasn't the worst job I ever had because I was selling coupon books door to door in
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a suit and tie in Oklahoma, you know, for a while there.
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And so I couldn't go to a mini mall for a while without having like a mini panic attack
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or whatever.
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But yeah.
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So my legacy with Hobby Lobby in law in Oklahoma, probably not great, didn't leave an indelible
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legacy.
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But that's really the reason we're here talking to you guys today because you have a new book
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out.
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You got a copy there.
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And we'll show it here and guys it is in the show notes.
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So it's called the legacy life leading your family to make a difference for eternity.
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And so just kind of like 30,000 foot view to start.
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So obviously y'all are, you know, author, co-author, you kind of worked together on this particular
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thing and we're going to dig into the specifics on the book here in just a second.
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But why this book?
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Why now?
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Why you two guys?
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Yeah, I think I'm going to let you answer that, Bill.
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All right.
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Get in here, Bill.
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Well, Dave and I have been doing leadership events with men and well, I guess wives come
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too.
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But the short of it is we've been doing these events for 20 years and people have been coming
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in from all over the country.
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So people like yourself that want to figure out how to be better leaders, better men.
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And we just wrote a book about two, three years ago called leadership not by the book
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and the chapter there that got everybody's attention was how do you build for 150 years?
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So we got enough comments on that that led us to this idea.
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We really need to create the next book, which is like the legacy life.
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What is a legacy?
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So there you go.
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Okay.
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And David, what's like a goal?
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So a head of the household, right, a guy who takes his role of headship seriously and
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loving his wife as Christ of the church and raising his children up in the nurture and
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admonition of the Lord, he gets done finishing this book.
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He's gone to the last page.
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What's a win for somebody?
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A win for me is, and we have always been, for a very long time, trying to tell as many
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people about Jesus as we can.
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Amen.
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So if you let watch us and see what we've done, you'll see that we are really excited about
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telling people about Jesus.
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So now there's just more of that to be done.
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So in my future is first you want to, you care about your family.
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You want to have a family that serves the Lord.
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My family serves the Lord.
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There's only 45 of us counting our grandkids and our great grandkids.
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Let's go.
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But so we're excited about what God has done there and raising a family is a lot harder
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than building a business, by the way.
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It's very challenging, but God is always there with us.
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But now it's just a matter of what am I going to do in my last days is we just want to be
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involved in telling as many people about Jesus and different ministries we're involved in
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to tell people about Jesus.
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Now what else is there at some point and that's what there is for me now.
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Well, in the eternal ramifications of a family versus a business, because you do a good job
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of kind of doing a few exposés on some long-term families and everyone kind of knows colloquially
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like, okay, second generation can maybe build it a little bit further.
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Third generation typically things get lost and fourth generation like there's just, there's
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way too many people, not enough money to go around.
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I even heard this morning, you know, the Vanderbilts left the next generation $100 million, which
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in today's money is like $3 billion or something like that.
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And within a couple of generations, it was all not all gone, but it just wasn't nearly
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what it was.
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And so it's like, hey, where have all the billionaires gone?
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But there was there was a very poignant quote early in the book that to be honest completely
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shifted my perspective on legacy.
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And I don't know why it hit me so hard because, you know, when you're in college and you're
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really involved and all that, you think, oh, I'm going to leave a legacy and all that.
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But it's all very me, me, me, I'm going to do this type of thing.
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I want to want to read this quote because y'all are kind of resetting the definition
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of legacy and it certainly helped me.
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So let's reset the definition of legacy.
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Legacy is not what we leave behind.
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That's a popular way of thinking about legacy.
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But to be honest, I think that's too easy leaving it behind means that you don't have
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any responsibility.
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And here's the key.
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I like this definition.
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Legacy is what you set in motion.
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What will you set in motion for the next 150 years?
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What will you set in motion for all eternity?
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What do I mean by set in motion?
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And so y'all can just kind of give the audience an idea of like, okay, why do you like that
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version of legacy?
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Because some people think legacy is build a lot of money, a lot of wealth, get a lot
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of people, especially in this generation, a lot of people looking at me, like I'm an
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influencer, right?
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I'm going to get my name maybe on a building at a university because I donated a lot of
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money.
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And those things aren't bad in and of themselves, but it's not necessarily hitting, you know,
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striking the court of legacy that either one of you would maybe say.
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Yeah, Kyle, I'm a lawyer.
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So, you know, I practice law a long time and, you know, in the estate planning area, that's
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what people tend to think about.
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They think about leave it behind, names on the building, the whole bit.
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It's about this idea of fame, all wrong idea.
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Yeah.
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And the better idea is that idea of set in motion and in David's story, which we help
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pull out and bring out one of the big things, David, you should talk about that.
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The three goals that you started with and then how you change those goals over time.
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Yeah.
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I said, you know, what I want, I have goals when I first got married that I want to have
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a good marriage.
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We've been married for 63 years.
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I wanted to be, I wanted my children to serve the Lord.
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And I want to be successful, whatever I had to do.
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But then at some point, it's like I've got to add something to that.
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And what we've added to it is we want to tell as many people about Jesus and have people
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come to know Him as much as we can.
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So that's a legacy for me.
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It's not what we have done.
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That's good.
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And that's great.
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What's going to go forward and what's going forward has a lot to do with how you form
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your company, what you do to have your company go continue where gen four and gen five can
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do as good a job as gen one.
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But there's a lot of work you have to do to make that happen that nothing, no one gets
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anything for free.
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They have to work for it.
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So there's a lot that we've done to make sure that everybody knows that they have a
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tremendous responsibility and they only get what they earn.
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So we have it set up to where you, if you're a gen four person or a gen three, you get what
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you earn and no more, but that's what's really important.
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That's why it's harder, I think, to do a family than to do a business.
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Do a business.
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We're going to do about eight billion this year.
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But to do a family is much, much harder and it's much, much more important.
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Well we want to make sure our family is doing something for tomorrow.
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Not just, oh, we've done this.
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And so that's what we're focusing on that we can do it well.
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When I think it's an important shift as well, I've heard recently I was listening to a podcast
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this morning talking about Bill Gates and some other very prominent folks have said they're
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not leaving anything for their children, right?
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So they're going to put things in a trust that, you know, it's a charitable trust that
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gives money here and there and maybe they'll let their kid work at the place or the family
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office or something like that and go from there and it's like, wait, wait a minute.
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Like I feel like you lost the threats and where and again, most of these people don't
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have a biblical or Christian worldview or things like that, but it's like there's not anything
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inherently, no pun intended wrong with leaving something for the next generation.
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That's of course, from a biblical perspective, that's what we are called to do, right?
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You know, he who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever.
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That provision doesn't stop when you stop breathing, you know what I mean?
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And so it's an interesting perspective to where it's like, look, I'm not just giving
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this to you, but I'm setting this in motion and handing you the ball as it were.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, by the way, if I can talk about that, Bill Gates is leaving 99% of his estate.
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I just did a post on this, so I just got to jump in.
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That's perfect.
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So his kids are getting 1%, well, the three kids are actually going to inherit a billion
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dollars each.
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Oh, okay.
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So we're not feeling sorry for them.
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Forget those kids.
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Zuckerberg, same thing.
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Yeah, that's right.
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It has two daughters, 86 billion.
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So we're not feeling that bad for them, okay?
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All right.
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So yeah, we're not not feeling bad at all.
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The issue is downstream from those guys when you have people that don't have that kind
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of generational power wealth, right, if you were, and they're taking a page out of Bill
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Gates's book because that's their aspirational identity, is to be a Bill Gates type of person.
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We got to redefine wealth partly too, because it's not just about money.
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It's the intellectual, spiritual, emotional, and social capital.
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And so that's why David is driving so hard toward this idea of what are we going to see
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in heaven.
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And that's why he's talking about the soul, say, that's what we're setting in motion.
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That day that we get to stand before Jesus and say, man, here's what we produced with
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what you gave us.
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So they're talking about the idea.
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How do we create opportunity and not just give them money?
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And I think that's a key word.
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Just an opportunity.
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We want all of our kids to have an opportunity.
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Like I said, there's 46 of us now, including our Gen 4, and everybody has an opportunity
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to earn a salary.
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And we have a group of us, the Bible says in the multitude of counsel, their safety.
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So there's a council of us in Gen 1 and Gen 2 that makes decisions on salary, and your
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salary ought to be what you earn, not some big amount.
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So we see what we earn is what belongs to us, and everything else in terms of profit
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doesn't belong to us.
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The Bible says God owns everything.
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Well, if he owns everything, now a lot of times Christians say that, but they don't
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live that.
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Living it is totally different than saying it.
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So we want to make sure that we live that.
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And so any profits that we make does not go to the family, it goes to the Lord, but you
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get what you earn.
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So I think when you have a situation with your family, they earn everything they get.
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I think you're pretty safe in Gen 2 and Gen 3 and coming on Gen 4, that you have to earn
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what you get and you get nothing that you don't earn.
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And I think that's healthy for everybody is to get what you earn, but not leaving someone
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of a billion dollars.
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You can choose to work or not to work.
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Our family has to choose to work, not to work or not to work.
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And so that's what we feel like is very important.
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When I've had this discussion because, you know, I grew up kind of lower middle class,
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I was never hungry.
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I was never hot when it was cold out or vice versa, like any of those types of things,
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but there wasn't a lot of extra, right?
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My parents worked their butts off to provide for us.
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So I'm very, very thankful for that.
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But I've talked to friends now, they're in a little bit of a different income bracket
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and I'm in a different income bracket than my family was.
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And a lot of them are worried about, well, we're not growing up in the school because,
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you know, the level of streets smarts I had to have growing up in certain parts of Lawton
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and just kind of keeping your head on a swivel and certain things like that.
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Like my boys aren't going to have to worry about some of those things, like walking home
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from school and getting an I've put on you when you're 10 years old, like, you know,
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there's just things they're not going to have to work for.
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But then you look at kind of who you became and the amount of resilience that you had to
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cultivate over a period of time and you're like, Oh, am I stealing that for my kids?
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But for my kids, it doesn't matter what kind of cars they're going to ride in with mommy
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and daddy or what kind of house they get to live in.
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Those boys, not only are they going to be super toxically masculine, but they are going
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to be, they are going to learn about hard work.
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They're going to learn about like real punishment and they're going to learn about service to
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others and things like that.
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And so that's kind of my, my message to guys that are made, they feel bad about the wealth
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that they've generated or, you know, the opportunities financially that they've generated for their
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family is like, guys, this isn't a net negative, but you can, someone can hand you the ball
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and you can run it poorly, right?
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And so like, let's focus on the not running it poorly part.
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I don't know if we put this in the book, Kyle, but David, you talked about this.
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The hardest thing to do is to not do for your children.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, that's, that's exactly true because you can do so much for them.
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And I think in most cases, we're just hurting them by and doing too much.
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So we have to, as parents, decide what we can do.
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We're having our grand, our great grand force, which is our great grandkids, we were helping
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them in going to a Christian, not a college, but yeah, a college when they get there, but
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schools.
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So those are some of the things that we want them to do.
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We want them to be trained right and go into Christian elementary schools, junior high and
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so forth.
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So those are the things that I think we can do with our money is to make sure that the
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schooling is right, but trying to keep them from their hard knocks, as you said, is not
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something we're not trying to do.
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This is how they learn.
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This is how they grow up is having the hard knocks.
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We're not trying to throw a blanket under every time they're going to fall and that's,
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that's good for them.
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Well, so you, you talk about this, uh, let's actually get into because we're, we're spent
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a lot of time talking family about kind of the fall of the family.
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So this is a, an element of the book towards the, the latter half, but a couple of quotes
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here, the rise and fall of the family, I'll just stick with this first quote, the rise
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and fall of the family might be stated simply, we allowed culture to define the family instead
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of the Bible.
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Okay.
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And so I've, I've talked about a lot about the church.
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So whatever that means to you, but the capital C church accepting its position as downstream
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of culture.
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And so I've, you know, just comes to mind Ireland, whenever Ireland, uh, legalized abortion,
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right?
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Oh, this is a Catholic country.
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How could that possibly happen?
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Well, the Catholic church had accepted its position as being downstream of culture.
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And then they were shocked when the culture shifted.
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And so when you're not upstream of culture, you have to take the dictates and whims of
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culture onto your own back.
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And so when you say that the, the culture has defined what the family is, what, what do
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you all mean by that?
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Yeah.
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And because this is one I'm into right now pretty deeply, I've seen it by the way in
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David's family because let me start there first and then he can talk about that.
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But when they started out as a small family, you know, growing up, they had to work together.
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They bought their food together.
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They bought furniture together.
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They worked in the cotton fields together.
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That's what historically we call families of collective.
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Right.
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People is written from a collective perspective, the Middle Eastern perspective says, families
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of team and we advances a team, not from an individual perspective.
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So even when Paul's writing his letters to the church, it is to the church as a group.
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What are you going to do together?
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That perspective changes everything.
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We think about it from a Western perspective.
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We think it's written for me.
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And that's why we read, we read the Bible for nuggets.
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I've got this for me.
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And so much of it doesn't apply to me as an individual.
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No, it's good.
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But it is.
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It's not going to sustain you long term.
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It applies to us as a group.
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There's one narrative and it's one family that throughout history, it's Abraham's family
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from Genesis to Revelation.
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And when we recognize that Steve Green, David's second son wrote a book called This Beautiful
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Book.
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And it's this idea of the Bible as one story, but it's really written from the perspective
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of a family and what will we do together as a family changes everything.
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Right.
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And I think additionally to that, David, I'd love to get your feedback on this, just generational
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faithfulness.
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Because that's something that you set out to do and it's something that you're building.
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And so I don't come from a legacy of faith from my family and things like that.
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So the way I describe my family is the way I describe a lot of people.
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I describe it as country music theology.
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And so what country music theology is, is that, you know, your grandma was baptized and was
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a good Christian and we go to church occasionally and when we vote, we vote Republican and we
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listen to 90s country music, which is the best version, by the way.
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And then God is pro all those things.
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So we get to go to heaven, right?
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No discussion of depravity, no discussion of sin and repentance, like no discussion of
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those types of things.
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And so in a lot of ways, my bride and I, we're feeling like we're starting a generation
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of faith, like generational stuff like that, but to read the quote from the book and keeping
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with his God's generational character, God expects a similar behavior from his people.
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He doesn't want just Abraham to keep his commandments or just Moses or just Joshua or just me.
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He wants generations of faithfulness.
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And so this concept, David has changed really everything for me.
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It's changed how I pray.
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I don't pray with my sons.
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I pray over them.
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And so they're five and three years old and so I'm praying, Lord, I know you have big
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things in store for James and Elijah, I just pray that you continue to help us guide them
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so that they will be strong, courageous, brave, tender, hearted men of God, that you
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will reveal your will to them and things like that.
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So it's giving them that aspirational identity that is not locked into what college they
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go to or professionally get, how much money they make, who they marry, what type of car
20:20
they drive, but it's that generational faithfulness piece.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's so much important.
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That's why for us, Barbara and I, the most important thing for us is to have children
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and grandchildren and great-grandchildren to serve the Lord.
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Amen.
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And I think that has to do a lot with how you live your life.
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So it's one thing to say, this is the way that you should live your life and you live
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it completely different.
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So we want to make sure that, that our family knows that we believe God has the best, has
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the best book for us.
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We love the book and that's why we've done so much to promote it and have a museum as
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an example.
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It's because we love God's Word.
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And so I think when God's Word gets into our hearts and our children's hearts and our
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grandchildren and our great-grandchildren's, they see it as a beautiful thing.
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So God has given us something very, very beautiful and we want to try to live that out
21:07
as best we can, as imperfect as we can.
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We want to live it out so people in our family just wants to follow that, you know, that's
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the right way to go.
21:15
And so if everybody's gone that way, if you're outside, you're swimming, you're swimming
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the wrong way and that's not real fun.
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But if everybody, most of us, all of us, I think, serve in the Lord, I think it makes
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it easy for everybody else.
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So that's what we want to do.
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We just want to be the best example we can be to tell people that this Word has something
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for you that's much greater than anything else.
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So following God's Word is so important to us and hopefully we're doing that and therefore
21:39
our children are also following that same way of life.
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Yeah, Kyle, if I can take off that because David's the same, something really important,
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which is sometimes we hear this idea of family and we think about, okay, we are a family
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But family's purpose is not just because you guys are going to have a nice Christmas together
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and sit around and drink hot cocoa.
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It's what David's talking about.
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It's that they have a mission and a purpose, which is to get out the gospel.
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You have to think as a family, what are we called to and it is bigger than just the family?
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There always has to be a bigger purpose for the family.
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I want to talk about family code here in just a second, but I think in some of the things
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that we're doing, you almost walk a very precarious line about being too child centric.
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And so you actually address that in the book.
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And so there's a quote here, this child centered parenting has the impact of teaching kids
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that the world is about them.
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The accomplishments of the individual are more important than the accomplishments of
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the family, the community and the church.
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And my goodness, that's where we're at right now because we live in Edmond, Oklahoma.
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This is they could call this travel ball city.
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That's what they could call this, right?
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Because if your kid doesn't get on the best seven year old baseball team, then they're
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not going to be invited to try out for the best eight year old baseball team.
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And if they don't make the best eight year old baseball team, they're not going to make
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it to the St. Louis Cardinals.
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And gosh, you just can't steal that opportunity away from your kids.
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And the pressure that is put on kids by their parents, either directly or indirectly, you
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know, there's a there's a family that I know the middle child was really good at golf, maybe
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even prodigy level good at golf.
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Mom and dad quit their jobs in Oklahoma, moved their family of five to Florida because there
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would be more available and better golf tournaments.
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This kid was like 11 years old, what if he turned 16 and he just doesn't want to golf
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that much anymore?
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He wants to play here or there.
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The amount of pressure on that kid now, because we moved his older sibling and his younger
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sibling away from their school, away from their church, away from their friends.
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And now you don't want to golf anymore.
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Now if he goes off and becomes Tiger Woods, okay, net positive, right?
25:53
But it's the child centered focus that I think it does a disservice certainly to the family,
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but especially to the individual child.
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Yeah, I don't think that we see ourselves as that way because I think that we believe
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that whatever God has for you, we're with you, okay, whatever, God has something different
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for every one of my kids.
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So I don't try to get them with Hobby Lobby if they want Hobby Lobby fine.
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So I think we try to direct our family in such what is it God has for you, not for what
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I have for you.
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I want you to do X, Y, and Z, because I think we can go down on a lot of bad trails like
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you've just explained.
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And so I don't think we get involved in things like that as much as just what does God have
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for you.
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So we don't try to direct our kids in any way, but we see what maybe they have a talent,
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maybe in a particular way, like our Gen 3s and say, hey, do you want this particular position
26:42
in the company?
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Well, that's the things we do, but we really think God has a plan for everybody's life
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and we need to back off and let God have his plan for every one of our children.
26:52
Yeah, I would say too, Kyle, when you ask that question, one of the things that that
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child-centered parenting leads to is what you described is it means that you're going
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to raise your kids up and you're going to kick them out.
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Yeah.
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Independence is the goal.
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And so that's why you have so much geographic splintering of the family in the U.S. in particular.
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But one of the things I was going to point out, David talked about it, you're at, what,
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47, 48 over four generations now.
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I mean, most people don't get married that soon.
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They did and they started having kids and their kids started having kids early.
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So they got four generations, but they're all here in Oklahoma City.
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Yeah.
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And how many people have that?
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I mean, I can't think of anybody because, you know, you run into, because everybody's
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got jacked up families for the most part, but part of the jacked upness is how many different
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thanksgivings we have to go to and how many, you know, Christmases we have to go to and
27:44
if there's any divorce, obviously now there's awkwardness and, you know, well, this ain't
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can't be around that cousin because my goodness, what's going to happen there?
27:52
And the level of stress and strain, I mean, my wife and I feel it because we have no family
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in Edmond.
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This is where we settled because we both got scholarships to the University of Central
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Oklahoma.
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We loved Edmond.
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So we settled here.
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And so there's not this, babe, I'm just feeling a little disconnected lately.
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And I don't want that to continue.
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We need to go on a date night and not at some point in the non defined future.
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We need to go on a date night tonight, call grandma and grandpa or me, me and pop pop or
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whatever you call them.
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And you just drop the kids off.
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Well, you can't do that if your family's two and a half hours away, right?
28:21
You can't do that for an hour and a half away.
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It becomes a struggle for you and just makes things harder.
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It doesn't make them impossible, but it certainly makes things quite a bit harder.
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And y'all get into this because in the book, you talk about the basic elements of a family
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code and this is like, you know, basically, it's, this may as well be Rosetta stone to
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someone like they don't know what that means, a family code.
28:45
And I've thought about this a lot because I've been exposed to a lot of different organizations
28:48
that will take you on a retreat or, you know, they'll come to your Sunday school class and
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they'll tell you like, okay, here's the things you need to find for your family need to come
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up with the family logo and a family slogan and all these things.
28:58
And it just seems so overwhelming, but they want to be able to say something someday like
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when I look at James and he's in trouble, we'll use Eli as an example because we're
29:06
at jujitsu last night, he decided to be a fantastic idea to start drawing on the walls
29:10
in the kids room.
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Not a good idea, obviously, but let's just say one of our things was, you know, respect
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for others, right?
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Those aren't my walls.
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That's not my gym.
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That's someone else's property.
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And so I could look at Eli and say, hey, buddy, do Thompson's treat other people's properly
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poorly.
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Well, now I'm calling him into an identity as opposed to getting on to him for something
29:34
specific that he did wrong, which I'm also doing.
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But the higher calling is, look, Thompson's hold these standards and y'all specifically
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talk about in the book, the basic elements of a family code one, how will we live towards
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God?
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Two, how will we live toward our families?
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And three, how will we live towards others?
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So let's start unpacking that a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Let me back up.
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The short of how this happened, of how they first began developing this is they came to
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me and said, look at our estate plan, okay, which is the way a lot of families start.
30:08
We were having an estate plan.
30:09
I said, you have a good estate plan, but you have a poor legacy plan.
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And that led them to actually be going down the road of creating their family vision,
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mission values, and that led to some of those ideas.
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So yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's really good.
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Bill was really instrumental and that's coming up with this.
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This is who we are.
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We all are Christians, we go to church, all of this, but we really needed a document.
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So we put a document together that has our vision, our mission, and our values.
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Our vision is to go on the adventure of impacting our world for Christ.
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That's our vision.
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Our mission is to love God intimately and love extravagant, live extravagant generosity.
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And our values are God, family, and others.
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So we go under each one of those categories and say, what is it to have values of God,
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family, and others?
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So we have a document and once a year we meet approximately every quarter, but once a year
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we come together and we bring this and we talk about it.
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So our family has a mission, we have a mission and we have vision and we have values.
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So that has kind of brought us together.
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This is who we are.
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So one and two put it together, gen one, gen two.
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We took the gen three and says, is there anything that you, you, different scriptures?
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Is there anything that you can't buy into this?
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And they changed that scripture or two, but then this is what they wanted to do.
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So our family lives under a document that, that's all, that's all Bible.
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Now sometimes people would ask me, well, well, what does that change over the year?
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Only if the Bible does, because it's all based on what God's word says.
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Conveniently it doesn't change.
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No, it doesn't change.
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You know, so anyway, it's something that's helped us come together.
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So once the year for the last 15 years or so, we come together on the first Saturday
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of every year, everybody knows to be there, everybody that's 16 and older and we talk
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about who and what we are.
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So we want to, here's who we want to be and here's what we want to be.
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And we really wanted to be followed through Christ and how do we do that and how we put
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that in words.
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When you, you got, go ahead.
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I don't, I want to underscore what he just talked about, the importance of that, but
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the idea of the vision, mission values becomes that family code, the family identity.
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And so you got 47, 48 family members here, but they do an annual family celebration and
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they renew that vision, mission values, the way of life, that's a biblical idea.
32:30
Think about it.
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There are seven festivals in the Bible, Sabbath, some people call that a festival, but that's
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a weekly thing.
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And the idea is that you pull back, you remember, you rest, you reflect on what God has done.
32:44
You want to do that weekly, monthly, but then this annual family celebration is way, the
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way you get the whole ship together and say, we're rowing in this direction.
32:54
And some what David said a little bit earlier, again, I don't want to miss this.
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When you get your family pointed in the direction, it's a lot harder for people to walk away
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with that.
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Why would you walk away from something that is so clear in its direction?
33:06
So let's talk a little bit because you answered a little bit of it.
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How do you inculcate those values in the subsequent generations after yours?
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So obviously doing a retreat like that, that's annual, that's on the calendar.
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It's part of your rhythm as a family.
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It's not, Hey, what, when is it happening this year?
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No, this is when it happens.
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This is when it always happens.
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But let's talk about the rest of the weeks of the year, right?
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So that's, you know, one weekend or one week.
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And so what are the touch points?
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What are the ways that you can continue to inculcate those values?
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I remember from the book, I believe at y'all's headquarters, you have some of this printed
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and like on the wall.
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And so it's like, it's just around you.
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It's like you're marinating it.
33:44
Like I've, I've described before, Phil Robertson is a very special man to me and at the time
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I've been able to spend with the Robertson family.
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And the thing about Phil Robertson is, you know, out of the overflow of the heart, the
33:54
mouth speaks, when I would talk to Phil, not only was his Bible always within hand,
34:00
you know, arm's length of him, whether we're in the, you know, the, the duck blind or the
34:03
duck shop or the studio or his house or something like that, the scripture just comes out of
34:08
him.
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And it's like, it was so challenging to me, but it's like, Oh, of course he's marinated
34:13
in it.
34:14
He's marinated in these truths.
34:15
So he can just, Hey, look at here, son, and then just flip to this page and he's got a
34:18
little note there and then he flips over back to something over here and goes, but specifically
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with these family mission vision values, these, these core principles, how do we inculcate
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that year round?
34:28
Yeah.
34:29
And the main thing to do is, as a parent is to, is to live it.
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I think there's nothing better than just living what you teach, you know, the love that we
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love God's word.
34:38
We love, we love it so much that it, it directs us in our business.
34:41
It directs us in our family.
34:43
So we try to live it.
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And I use the word try because we're certainly not perfect at it.
34:46
But as a, as a parent, Barbara and I, we have children that serve the Lord, then they have
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to do the same thing and they, and they have children that do the same thing.
34:53
So I think when you see parents that live it and you see that it works and, and you teach
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them God's word and, and you're, you never not in church, not that that saves you, but
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it sure helps to be regular in church and get into God's word.
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So we try to do that as an example and I, I don't know that there's a better example
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of having a family to follow you.
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Yes, we have our mission vision and values and we meet once the year, but that's once
35:17
the year.
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But every week we're, we're in church where we love the Lord and, and we want to live
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a life that someone says, you know, I think that works because some things just don't
35:27
work.
35:28
And we also show them where it doesn't work because it just doesn't work for people that
35:32
are not serving the Lord.
35:33
I don't care how much money you have and how much, the prestige you have, if, if you're
35:38
not ready to go to heaven and you don't see Jesus at the end of your day, you really
35:42
don't have anything.
35:44
That's right.
35:45
Bill church, not an option, by the way, in that family and today, you know, with all
35:48
these travel schedules, sports and all that kind of stuff, we've made church an option.
35:52
And that's hard to add on, you know, it's an, you know, do we want to again, that individual
35:57
symbolism, but again, underscoring some of what they do, it's not only the annual celebration,
36:03
but they're quarterly, they used to be monthly, but quarterly birthday celebrations.
36:08
And then they do a monthly family giving meeting and generation one, two and three all participate
36:14
in that.
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So family giving has been a big part of driving home those family values because when you see
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family on a regular basis, talking about discussing what do we care about?
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What do we believe in?
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That's how they do it.
36:28
I just finished a book by Trudy White, who is, um, true at Kathy's daughter.
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And she talks about exactly the same thing.
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So that we're not making this up in the book at all.
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David's family is a bit of a model on how they've done it, but the other successful
36:44
families who are trying to set in motion a generational legacy, this is what they do.
36:48
Weekly, monthly, nightly, you got to have routines and rhythms driven around vision, mission
36:54
values.
36:55
I want to, and you know, everyone likes this quote, it's not, it's not perfect, but it's
36:59
basically like more is caught than taught, you know, when it comes to children, things
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like that.
37:03
So the day that goes back to what you said about actually living this out because I don't
37:06
ever want to be the dad that says, do as I say, not as I do.
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And here's the thing about my boys.
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So, uh, I'm, I'm in the gym.
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I have a gym here in the garage and I'm, I'm in the gym early this morning and both of
37:18
my sons in their PJs come out to my gym before mom even wakes up, right?
37:22
So they kind of just snuck out to my gym, well, what's dad doing out there?
37:26
Not wasting time.
37:27
I'm already sweaty, right?
37:28
I could ring out my shirt.
37:30
And so they're just seeing that.
37:32
And then, you know, they hear me talk about it.
37:34
They hear, you know, me, Hey, I'm going to go work out with some friends or Hey, I'm
37:38
going to go do this.
37:39
And part of the reason why I'm doing that is because one of these days, one of those
37:42
boys is going to be on the playground.
37:44
He's going to say, Hey, my dad can beat up your dad.
37:45
I want to make sure they're not lying, right?
37:47
Because being honest is a, is a core value of our family.
37:50
And so you're, you're showing that and inculcating those values.
37:54
The thing I have, and so all this has been fairly positive and, you know, family and
37:58
everything's great.
37:59
But you know, people are jacked up, right?
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We're sinners, right?
38:02
We have a propensity for being dumb and making bad decisions.
38:05
So let's say you've got, you know, your mission, your vision, your values, you're doing the
38:10
annual retreats, you're doing the birthday celebrate, you're doing all those things.
38:14
Someone goes wayward, right?
38:16
Maybe they get pulled into something chemical or physical.
38:20
That takes them down a different road.
38:21
Maybe they, they have a philosophy 101 professor in college that said something interesting
38:25
to them.
38:26
And Allison, you know, God doesn't exist to the sky daddy.
38:29
He's not a real thing, right?
38:31
And so they either reject the principles of the family or they go some version of prodigal
38:36
as it were.
38:38
What, what do you do as the head one, what, what does the family do, right?
38:43
Because there are levels that even in church discipline of like, okay, we're going to try
38:47
this.
38:48
We're going to try this is going to be a little bit more heavy handed.
38:51
And then eventually it's like, all right, you come back when you're ready.
38:54
But as the head, you have to be ready, like the prodigal father to take off running and
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gather them back into the fold.
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So let's talk about that a little bit.
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I think the best thing you can do is just try to act like Jesus.
39:05
Jesus loves them no matter what.
39:07
And so if my son strays away from the Lord, I think I'm just going to, it hasn't happened
39:13
nor our grandson or even a great grandson, but if it does, I think the family's just going
39:17
to love them as much as they can.
39:19
So that's, that's what I think we should do.
39:20
Jesus died for us while we're yet sinners.
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And so I think that's what we have to do.
39:25
I don't think we have to push them and tell them and they know what's right and what's
39:29
wrong because they've been taught that.
39:31
But I think the main thing we can do with someone that, that doesn't do is what God
39:35
would have them to do or, or lose is it.
39:37
We all, we all fail, where none of us are perfect, but at the same time you can't get
39:41
someone that's, that's just completely out.
39:45
And so I think it's so important for us to love them and let them know we love them.
39:49
And it's hard not to come back to love and people that love you.
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Jesus loves us and it shouldn't be hard for us to come to him knowing that he loves us
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like no one else.
39:58
Well, let's dig into love just a little bit more and I'd love both of your feedback on
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that.
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So as with a lot of terms that are used colloquially, someone will say something and everyone thinks,
40:08
oh, everyone believes the same thing about this word or phrase.
40:11
But then if you ask people to explain their, their belief system, in that particular word
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or phrase, we're going to get a lot of different definitions.
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And so some people hear love and they think whatever they do is fine, right?
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You know, Jesus said, just come as you are.
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It's like, well, he didn't technically say that.
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And like if he, if he just accepts you the way that you are, there's no need for, you
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know, repentance of sin and, you know, like turning away from, from your life of sin and
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those types of things.
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Whereas other people, more so like my personality, a lot of the guys in this audience, they think
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tough love, whatever it takes, like we're going to, we're going to hold true to doctrine
40:45
and we're going to hold true to the word and we're going to love, but hey, Jesus loved
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those Pharisees by calling them broods, vipers.
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Okay.
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Like Jesus loved those people by turning over their tables in the temple, right?
40:56
And so there's kind of two ends.
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There's the, Hey man, whatever, just go along to get alongside.
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And then there's the aggro, like super aggressive side of love.
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And so let's talk about that.
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I don't really like talking about spectrums, but it's like, let's talk about the spectrum
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of love when you say, Hey, we're just going to love on them.
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How?
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Yeah.
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I think what you just described as two extremes.
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Sure.
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Just two extremes.
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And I think both are wrong.
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And so I think we want that they know they should, we've taught, we've gone to church,
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we know what the scriptures say, what the Bible says.
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And that's what I keep going back to as God's word.
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We've got to go by God's word.
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Now we all see it different maybe, but, but I think that as we study it, I think God guides
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us in his word and we know what's right.
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So I think love is following the scriptures.
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Right now we're involved in where do we give, for instance?
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And a lot of people give in areas that's just good, but not great.
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And if you can, you can give all your money to good and it doesn't have anything to do
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with great, great being eternal, good being vapor.
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And so that's one of the things that we're involved in now.
41:56
And you're talking about something that's kind of similar to that.
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There's extremes on where you're giving your money and where you're giving it and about
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your love.
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It says, God loves you, but he also, God hates sin.
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So that balance has to be in there.
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Bill, what do you got?
42:13
Well, when I watch David's family, so I get the cat bird seed, if you will, and I watch
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this.
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And so sometimes maybe it's easy to hear that say, well, we want to just love them.
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But it's true.
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I've watched it in his family.
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There's a very clear atmosphere of love and we're going to embrace you and it's going
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to be this constant, hey, we're going this way.
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That's why that clear articulation of values is so important.
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But the other thing I've seen in David's life is he grants access.
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He's available to them.
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You know, sometimes you hear this talk, by the way, in the Christian world, about we
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got to draw boundaries and that kind of stuff.
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Man, sometimes that stuff's dangerous.
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You got to give everybody access to yourself.
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You got to give them time.
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And I've seen his grandkids.
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They've got time on the count.
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Now, doesn't mean that David hasn't had hard conversations in the past, but it comes from
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that atmosphere and the attitude of love and access.
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You've got access to me.
43:07
And so, you know, as we, there's more to talk about with Lexi Life, but I do want to talk
43:11
about some of the other things that y'all are working on.
43:15
So my audience, so somehow, some way, this has become the number one podcast in the world
43:20
for Christian men.
43:21
And we've had an uphill battle basically from the beginning.
43:25
YouTube has rejected us for monetization.
43:27
We don't make a dime off of Apple or Spotify.
43:30
We don't have any private celebrity donors or anything like that.
43:32
Like we have guys given 10 bucks a month, 20 bucks a month to basically make sure that
43:36
we can keep the lights on those types of things and meta, you know, those are the only social
43:41
medias we use or Instagram and Facebook.
43:43
They've denied us monetization as well.
43:45
And so there's this struggle of we have to get out capital T truth.
43:49
The world is not typically a fan of capital T ultimate truth.
43:52
And then also we've got to get this message out there.
43:55
And so you've got a captive audience of lean forward, typically more aggressively minded
44:01
dudes that they want to do all this.
44:03
But sometimes they're a little bit Tasmanian devilish, like they're spinning energy in
44:07
a big circle and not in any particular direction.
44:10
And so to a guy that's listening to this outside of getting the legacy life, which guys again,
44:15
show notes, check it out, pick it up, read it.
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What are they to do next?
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Like they want to start doing these things.
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They want to get these values going.
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Like, gosh, when you describe four generations and, you know, grandkids have in time when
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you're counter, they're like, oh my gosh, we're just trying to keep our kids from like
44:30
peeing their pants at pre K, you know what I mean?
44:32
Like, it's just so overwhelming.
44:33
What are the next steps?
44:35
You got to take some time to plan and get away, articulate the vision, mission values,
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and then start teaching it on a day by day basis.
44:43
It's so many times the young family that we did this what David, when your kids were in
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their thirties or forties.
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Yeah, they're less.
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Yeah.
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We'd like to start earlier a little later, a little bit of a later start, I guess.
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Yeah.
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But while you guys had been teaching it, you just hadn't written down.
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Right.
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We didn't have a document.
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Now we have a document.
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Everybody knows the document.
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This is who we are.
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This is who our family is.
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We've all agreed this.
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This is who we are.
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We're about the mission, vision and values and everybody has bought into that.
45:10
Not that they're all perfect and not that we don't make mistakes, but at least we know
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our direction.
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Yeah.
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You didn't bring that today, did you?
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No, I didn't.
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Oh, come on.
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We were going to put it up in the studio.
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There's going to be a big thing.
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Oh, bummer.
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Oh, bummer.
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Okay.
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Anyway, but they'd already been teaching it.
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Right.
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But once they wrote it down, then they could, and that's the big thing we'd say for some
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of these young families is you got to write it down and then do, put it up on the wall
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of your home.
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Use it as dinner table conversation.
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I have grandkids now.
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Now he's got great grandkids, but we're teaching our grandkids, hey, one of our values is adventure,
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for instance.
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So what does adventure look like?
45:48
And sometimes it means taking a risk, but that's the basic on how you start.
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This is just straight out of scripture.
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And there's so much that we can do in our families, but it seemed like for us and Bill
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was the one that encouraged us to do it.
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It's really good to have a document that says this is us and it really, really comes together
46:04
well that we're, we want to serve the Lord, we want to follow His directions and we want
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to love people, we want to love God, we want family, all of that is part of it.
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So I think it's so important for us to do that.
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Yeah, I would emphasize too, by the way, I don't want to miss it, but the family giving
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that they do, you don't have to be a millionaire, but you can start with 20 bucks.
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And sitting around, again, my observations, watching family, a monthly family giving meeting,
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that's easy.
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I would say, again, just watching their family, we did this in our own family.
46:39
We started with giving meetings, but just the idea, we did a lot of random generosity
46:44
where we'd say, "Okay, hey kids, we're going to go give away 50 bucks."
46:47
And it's today, Saturday, and we're going to find somebody to give it to.
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Most powerful thing that you can do, simple, easy to do.
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I think what your family knows about you is what you do with your finance.
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What's important to you?
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I think what's important to you is what you do with whatever you have.
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Whatever God has given us in terms of business is His and I think the family sees what we
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do and they know what's important in our life because we give it to Him.
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We give it back to Him.
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Like a salary period, we make not one penny off of profits of this company and never have.
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We make a salary that we should get for what we do and everybody has the same opportunity.
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But I think when they see that it's important for you to what you have, it doesn't belong
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to us anyway.
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We're stewards.
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And when they see us steward in what God has, I think it's huge, huge in their own minds
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of what's important to you.
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And when you give everything you have over and above your salary to God, I think it really
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speaks well to the family of what is important, what is important is what you do with what
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God has given you.
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Oh, gosh, you're hitting on something huge talking about it.
47:49
So in a past life, I did some financial planning and insurance and stuff like that.
47:53
And we kind of had an office joke, which is completely true.
47:57
Most people would rather speak in front of a group of people about openly about their
48:02
sex lives than they would about their finances, right?
48:05
Their budget or non-existent budget, their amount of retirement or non-existent retirement,
48:09
the amount of insurance or non-existent insurance, man, people get really, really sensitive
48:15
and touchy about those types of things.
48:18
You can find out pretty quickly if someone has a poverty mindset, you know, if that could
48:22
be a generational thing of how you kind of like unpack what money looks like, you know,
48:27
because it's kind of when you hear about folks that grew up during the depression, right?
48:30
Even if they, they're still like keeping back Folger's coffee cans just in case they got
48:35
to use it to store things later.
48:37
Like it's kind of that whole mindset.
48:39
And I mean, just to throw myself under the bus, even a little bit, I'm pro all the things
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we're talking about, but the Tomsons don't have a manifesto.
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We don't have like our mission, vision and values.
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We have some cobbled together ideals of, hey, we don't act this way.
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We act this way and those types of things.
48:57
And so we'll talk a little bit afterward because I, you know, we need some help because with
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the amount of people that listen to what I do, like, you know, guys will go out and buy
49:05
Origin G made in America just because I mentioned it on the show and we love that.
49:09
But like that, that thing's going to waste away, right?
49:12
malls are going to eat that up eventually, right?
49:14
Or it's going to be, you know, sold in a garage sale for, you know, one one hundredth
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of what somebody paid for it.
49:19
But this amount of legacy is just so substantial.
49:22
And so like, again, I want to, like if guys wanted to do this outside of this, like, I
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know you, you do some stuff like this.
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And like, so how can people find that because we want to make sure that people can find
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that information.
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You mentioned in a book, but the ministry is called Legacy Stone and we have small group
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curriculum on this where people can actually develop mission, vision, values, but I want
49:40
to come back to your point because David said this, you, you can have vision, mission
49:45
values, but you've got to have a point of application and the first and easiest point
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of application is giving.
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And you've heard David drive home this point, they give to where the gospel is going out.
49:57
And David, there's a couple of points on this that I want you to address because I know
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you guys are working on even refining this further, but if guys listening to this program,
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they just define here's the here's mission, vision values, but we're going to apply it
50:11
in our generosity.
50:12
Maybe some of these guys would say, one of the ministries we want to support are things
50:16
that support manhood because we want to raise up manhood.
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Well, then it's going to support you.
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Yeah, they're going to support this ministry because now you're backing it up.
50:25
Most of this giving that we do, it's not very strategic.
50:27
It's highly relational, highly impulsive, I met this guy, I met this guy, well, what
50:31
are those guidelines?
50:33
And that's what they've been doing as a family.
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So you're sharpening this, so I want you to talk about that.
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The couple things you're really trying to drive home now.
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Yeah, I find that a lot of people want to do things because the Bible says to do it
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because it's good, you know, they'll feed the hungry, okay, or give clean water.
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Yes, it's good, but it's not great.
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So we don't do anything like that unless we also tell people about Jesus, we want to
50:54
make sure it's just not temporary, it's not just vapor because we talk about that sometimes.
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There's two, you have two lives.
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You want, you have a vapor and you have an internal.
51:04
So we really want to focus on what the eternal life is and that's where we give our giving.
51:08
So we're going to give free a clean water to someone, but we're also going to tell them
51:11
about Jesus.
51:12
If Jesus is not part of it, we're not going to do that.
51:14
So you can do a lot of really, really good things that has nothing to do with people's
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eternity.
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And so we need to be focused on where people are going to spend eternity.
51:23
And so I think that's what the Bible says, preach the gospel to every creature.
51:27
The Bible says you must be born again.
51:29
So some of you take some of these black and white statements that's in the Bible and you
51:33
say, I'm going to start there.
51:36
In our store, we have a lot of, I have a few things that's up on a big old board and it's
51:40
two foot letters and there's only four or five things that I say.
51:42
One of them keep it simple, close counts, too many choices are harmful to business, ask
51:49
God for direction, have a plan with a few exceptions.
51:51
So a lot of things like that, when you take the Bible sometimes, you can take a few things
51:55
and you can kind of build from that.
51:57
You need the entire Bible, but for us, it's a matter that you, to preach the gospel to
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every creature.
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And that's what we're trying to do.
52:04
We're trying to tell people about this person of Jesus.
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Now, what's more important than people are coming to know the Lord and heaven Jesus?
52:10
Now, there's a lot of different ways you can do it.
52:12
You can do it by giving them clean water.
52:14
You can give them by giving food, but you can also just preach the gospel.
52:17
There's a lot of different ways we think they're all right.
52:19
If they're biblical, they're right.
52:21
And that's what we're trying to do with our finance.
52:22
We just want to make sure that our finance doesn't go to something that's just good
52:27
and not great because there's a lot of, in fact, if you look at a lot of, we have a lot
52:31
of people coming in and we talk to them every month.
52:34
And it's amazing how many of them do things that are good, but they're not great.
52:37
They just don't matter 100 years from now or 50 years.
52:40
We want to make sure what we do matters forever and that's what we would like to focus on.
52:45
It's such a paradigm shift because, so JT English, he wrote a book and it's really
52:51
helped me.
52:52
There's a lot of people that know stories from the Bible, but they don't know the story
52:54
of the Bible.
52:55
So you can talk, you know, around the edges of David and Goliath or maybe the walls of
52:59
Jericho or something like that, but you don't really know how Nehemiah chapter three attaches
53:03
to the gospel of Jesus Christ and because you lose the thread, right?
53:07
When you're only pulling on, you know, little parts of the thread and not the entire thread,
53:11
but then also that's why, you know, we had kind of a spin off of this show.
53:14
It's called the Daily Blade.
53:16
And so because, you know, these episodes that I do or, you know, an hour, hour and a half long,
53:20
and maybe you don't have that kind of time, but, you know, my buddy, Joby Martin, pastor
53:24
of Church 1122 out of Jacksonville, Florida, we were like, Hey, for guys that like us,
53:29
right?
53:30
So kind of rougher around the edges like man's man type guys, but they want to love Jesus,
53:34
but they find it hard to get into the Bible.
53:35
They don't really understand.
53:36
Oh, I don't have time to study the Bible, so I'm just not going to read it all.
53:39
Like what are we going to do for those guys?
53:40
And so we created something called the Daily Blade and it's a Monday through Friday, five
53:45
minute podcast, and this is locker room style.
53:48
This is safety meeting in the oil field where we all back our trucks up and it's just, Hey,
53:52
five minutes and then we're going to send you off with your day.
53:54
The Daily Blade, the sort of the spirit.
53:56
That's the word of God.
53:57
It's the only offensive weapon described in that book of Ephesians, right?
54:01
And you can't wield it if you don't know it.
54:03
You can't defend yourself in the desert for 40 days as Satan is quoting scripture to you
54:08
incorrectly, if you don't know the word of God yourself.
54:12
And so that's the thing that we tell people is like, look, if you listen to my show and
54:15
you end up getting in better shape, fantastic, right?
54:18
But let's say you get some sort of debilitating physical disease that doesn't allow you to
54:22
deadlift anymore.
54:23
Well, that wasn't a great use of your time now, was it?
54:25
And so we're trying to get people like top of funnel, right?
54:29
Hey, it's just five minutes.
54:30
I listened to it.
54:31
Hey, it may give you a little bit of inspiration, but if it doesn't end with, as Spurgeon would
54:35
say, compelling them to come to the gospel, you're, you're acting foolish.
54:41
And so I think that's such a good paradigm shift for people to be like, yes, water is
54:45
good, sandwiches for the hungry is good, but is it great?
54:49
Are you giving them living water, right?
54:51
I mean, that just goes all the way back to legacy, doesn't it?
54:53
Amen.
54:54
There you go.
54:55
Well, that's so important to us as we, God has given us monies to give.
54:59
And so it's important to us as we come together once a month to make sure that we're taking
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it to the other level.
55:04
And it's great.
55:05
It's just not good.
55:06
You can do a lot of good things.
55:07
So that's what we're really focused on is making sure that we're doing what God would
55:11
have us to do with what, by the way, it's not ours, we're just stewards and what He
55:14
would have us to do.
55:15
And we're really, our family is really focused on doing something that takes them to another
55:20
level in terms of, we do give people clean water and whales and things of this nature.
55:26
But we want to make sure it's part of, you can do it without telling them, there's plenty
55:30
of people that do that, but we want to make sure that when we're involved that we tell
55:33
them something that's more important than just clean water, which they need.
55:37
And so let's even talk about something that is great as opposed to good.
55:40
So Museum of the Bible.
55:41
So this is not a place I have laid eyes on yet because I've taken one trip to DC in my
55:45
life.
55:46
And it was a quick one.
55:47
It was just kind of in and out.
55:48
We got to change that.
55:49
Yeah, we're going to get you there.
55:50
Well, we'll figure that out.
55:51
You know, we've talked about, because, you know, guys, listen to this, they know about
55:53
the forging table, like we've, we've had the idea of like, Hey, what if we did like a forging
55:57
table in the museum of the Bible and we get all these pastors in.
56:00
And so we've talked around the ideas, but to my friends that have gone there, like to
56:06
a person, it's like, it's like an earth shattering experience for them.
56:10
And so it's hard for me to talk about it since I haven't haven't experienced it myself.
56:14
But I'm always curious about beginnings of things.
56:17
And so what, where did the idea come from?
56:21
Was it like, Hey, there's a little, a little bit of Bible, you know, over here in this
56:25
museum and there's a little bit of this over here at this particular place.
56:28
Where did the idea start?
56:29
Well, I think what happened is God tricked us because we had no intention of spending
56:33
that kind of money and doing the deal.
56:36
Sometimes he just tricks you.
56:37
In other words, he gives you just a few steps.
56:39
Sometimes I say God gives you a flashlight with really poor batteries, you know.
56:43
So we get one step and then another step and then another step and to the point we knew
56:46
this is what we're supposed to do.
56:48
So the first step where someone came to us and wanted to sell us some antiquities and
56:54
we bought them and someone else is going to do it.
56:56
Someone else came to us.
56:57
They were going to do it, but they had no money.
56:59
They had nothing, but we just a step by it was a step by step.
57:03
So if God had come to us and said, Oh, you're going to do what ended up doing.
57:07
And I say when I say that, I say that it was us and a lot of other people, a lot of people
57:12
contribute.
57:13
So we don't want to take credit, although God gave us the responsibility for it.
57:16
And by the way, when you do any reading about it, you'll find out we made some mistakes.
57:19
You know, when you do something as big as as we did, somehow or another, we're not smart
57:23
enough not to make a few mistakes.
57:25
We bought some things we shouldn't have bought.
57:27
We did some things.
57:28
We corrected it all, but you'll read that we made some mistakes.
57:31
Yes, we made some mistakes, but we tried to correct them and we did.
57:34
But God has given us and I think He's given it to us because we love God's Word.
57:39
We just love God's Word.
57:42
And we just think that's the answer to your family, to your business and life.
57:46
And so because of that, someone needed to put God's Word on a pedestal because we believe
57:50
that there's only two things, as I've said before, is God's Word man.
57:53
So that's it.
57:54
That's all that's eternal.
57:56
So we wanted to be part of that and God knew that we wanted to be.
57:58
And so He gave us the job of which a lot of people came alongside us and helped us.
58:03
And we were excited to be part of it.
58:06
It's so funny you mentioned the flashlight thing.
58:08
I've said that for a long time.
58:09
I'm like, everyone has at some point in their life, maybe traversed a trail or something
58:14
with a bad flashlight that was, you know, batteries are going dead or maybe a bad headlamp or
58:18
something.
58:19
And so like we want the trail to be lit up like with a floodlight, right?
58:24
And so if you've got this terrible flashlight and you're flashing it up and it's the middle
58:28
of the night, you're like, okay, I can see the trail kind of bends up to the left there.
58:31
That looks like a bush might be a bear.
58:33
We'll figure it out when we get there.
58:34
But if you point that flashlight at your feet, you can be sure of your next step, right?
58:39
You can't be sure of step thousand, right?
58:41
But you can be sure of your next step.
58:43
And that's all God gives us sometimes.
58:45
You just take one step at a time and I think that's what happened is we've had situations
58:49
where we knew that we knew that we were supposed to do something like, oh, are you?
58:53
We knew God says do it, okay?
58:55
So that wasn't the same as what we did in the museum.
59:00
It was just one step at a time.
59:01
So sometimes God gives us what we're supposed to do and sometimes He just gives us one step
59:05
at a time.
59:06
So I'm curious for both of you guys because I always like people making people pick their
59:10
favorite kids, but I'm not going to make y'all say that out loud who your favorite kid is,
59:13
but we know you have one.
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But let's say the museum, right?
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So the government or some China, whatever, they come in and they're like, we're taking
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it all away, but we will leave you with one thing that is in this museum, right?
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It can't be an entire wing.
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It's literally one thing.
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So all the things and we'll say that's ever been in there, right?
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So maybe something's moved on to a different collection or something like that.
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What's the one thing you want to keep?
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That's super, super easy for me because when I go there, I see that we're involved.
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My oldest son is involved with a lot of different people to get every God's word in every language.
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This is Mart.
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It's illumination.
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It's illumination.
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So shout out to illumination.
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And so we have every Bible that's has been had there's rooms of ones that are being worked
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on and ones that haven't been started.
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There's 6,000 languages and that would be what we want to keep.
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We want to make sure God has, we have God's word.
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How do you preach the gospel to every creature without the gospel?
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We have to have the gospel and they're wanting to get everybody God's word by the year 2033.
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So they're working real hard.
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Maybe we'll do it.
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Maybe we won't.
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But that is the gold.
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And so I know that it's being speeded up from what it used to be.
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We've already cut a hundred years off of the time.
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It was aimed at a hundred years from now.
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So we've cut a hundred years off.
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But that would be the room that I would want.
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I would want to make sure these are God's word in all these different languages that
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we have.
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These are the ones we're working on and these are the ones that haven't started.
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So God's word is real important to us in that museum and you'll see every single Bible
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in there that has been translated.
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David, that's a little bigger than one artifact.
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Well, yeah, I mean, we'll let you do it.
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It's your room after all.
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So we'll take the whole room.
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I'm going to keep a whole floor though.
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No, no floors.
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All right.
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So he doesn't have to be super specific, but you do, Bill.
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What is one artifact and the entire place?
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I got to go with the whole floor.
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Okay.
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No, no, it's okay.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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We'll expand the rules.
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That's fine.
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I came to faith because of the story of the Bible.
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Okay.
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Three floors that you really drive to in that, which is the history, the story, and then
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the impact of the Bible.
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And so for me, it's the story of the Bible.
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And so there's this whole experience around the Old Testament story, the New Testament story.
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But man, I'm like you.
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I didn't grow up in a family of faith.
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We were backwards.
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My dad was a hillbilly from the Ozark, a kid's three room log cabin, very dysfunctional,
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very messed up.
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I had no faith whatsoever.
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I grew up much poorer than David did.
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No, I don't think so.
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Yeah, no, no.
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I was way competitive for this.
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Let's go.
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But a family, whereas we were growing up in a town of 100 people and somebody had planted
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a church there in this town, which why would you do that?
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How stupid is that?
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I mean, you know, a good Sunday, you get 20 people, right?
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That's a real good sound.
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Their family, they'd preach in a lot of small churches, but a neighbor down the street gave
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us a children's Bible storybook and it's through the story of the Bible.
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That I came to faith.
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So that's the floor, not just one artifact I'm going to keep.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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And again, I can't say from personal experience guys, but to everyone that I've ever talked
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to that has been there.
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If you were in the DC area, like, okay, maybe cut a day off of your Smithsonian, you know,
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meanderings or whatever and make sure you get into the Museum of the Bible.
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So I've been, you know, thrilled to have you guys here.
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This has been a great conversation, but I kind of want to know what's next.
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And I always, again, I always like making people mildly uncomfortable.
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What's something y'all aren't telling anyone about?
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I mean, no one's listening, maybe we can turn these mics off.
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Is there something we're working on that's kind of like a thing, but you haven't really
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told anybody yet?
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Come on.
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Come on.
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Well, I don't know that we have something that we're not doing.
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I think recently God has gotten, has our family involved, but he gets us.
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So that's one of the things that we're involved with.
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You'll see our ads there in the Super Bowl in the last two or three years.
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And so we think that we need to try to do the best we can to change the culture.
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And if you'll look at the culture, Barna said that in the year 2000, that 65% of the people
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said that Jesus was important to them.
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And about three years ago, it was 55, it went from 55 to 65.
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And now it's 66 in the last three years.
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So we hope that what we're doing is part of it, you know, of what is happening in the
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United States, that the culture is changing.
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A lot of it is in Gen Z and the younger people.
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But we don't really care where it is.
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We just want to know that we're trying to change the culture.
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So that's one of the things that we're doing that is relatively new, along with other people.
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I always want to say we're just doing this with other people and that is to try to change
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the culture in the United States.
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And the other thing is we're working with Dallas on the chosen.
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And so we're working alongside him and trying to get everybody in hundreds of languages.
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We have the ability because that's where Mark spends most of his time in getting the words
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underneath it.
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What do you call that?
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Subtitled.
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Subtitled.
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And so we're trying to get it in at least 600 languages.
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He gets us, not he gets us, but the chosen.
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So those are two projects that we're involved in more recently that we're excited, just
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telling people, it's all about telling people about Jesus.
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Well, I just last week, I was talking to Dallas.
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He's been on the show before, but I was just talking to him about, you know, I was giving
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him his flowers about season five and how it ended and, you know, just the acting and
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the storytelling, which is preposterously good.
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And then, you know, they're obviously filming season six as we're recording this and you
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know, he's going to come back on before season six and, you know, they're, they're having
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trying to do like a culminating event where it's like kind of this movie experience where
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if you haven't watched the previous five plus seasons, you can just go to the movie and you're
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still getting the gospel and kind of the power of, of all those types of things.
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So there's a couple of things that for my audience with, with he gets us in the chosen.
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So some people that don't like the chosen, they're like, well, it's not, it's not biblical,
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right?
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Because, oh, they're, they're getting conversations with the disciples as they're walking on a
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road and they're like, well, that's not in the Bible and those types of things.
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And so there's that negative feedback, which I don't sort of don't buy into.
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But on he gets us with some of the commercials and things like that, there's some fairly
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nebulous language that isn't specifically gospel.
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And me and a few friends, we went through the he gets us process and we were just waiting
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for gospel to happen somewhere like, Hey, send us to a church that's going to give us
1:05:34
the gospel.
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Send us somewhere.
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And so you've got people that are like anti chosen because it's not, you know, they're not
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speaking the King's James or they're not speaking ancient Galilean Aramaic, right?
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So they're, I don't want to, I don't want to support that.
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And then on the he gets us side, it's like at some point we've, we've got to just be explicit
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about the gospel.
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So what would you say to people that would respond in those ways about either of those
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things?
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Well, we, we, that respond to us, we tell them, we're not talking to you.
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We're talking to the person that doesn't know Jesus.
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Okay.
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And that's a different way.
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Right.
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God Christ was pretty radical.
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And if we're a radical, it's okay.
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So we, we ask God to give us direction on how we do these.
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Now there, there's some change here and there.
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We're trying to find the right thing to do.
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Sure.
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But we, we want it to be radical because Jesus was radical.
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If you really think about it, Jesus love you.
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He died for you while you're yet centered.
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And he was hard on the religious people, yeah, really hardest, hardest on them.
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So what our culture got to where that we as Christians were the bad guys and we have
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the most beautiful, most beautiful love story ever told.
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Nobody has a beautiful, more beautiful story than we do as Christians and we want to tell
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that story.
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Jesus died for you.
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He loves you.
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And so we're taking a different approach, but the approach is we're not talking to you,
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Christian.
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We're talking to the center.
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So we get a lot.
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Some push back.
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But I think some are beginning to get it, but we want to do what God would have us to
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do.
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And we really seek him to how we put these commercials together.
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Right.
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Well, David, Bill, we've weaved in and out of a lot of different things here, but that's
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all for me.
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Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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Thank you for the time.
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Absolutely.
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