DAVID GREEN & BILL HIGH | The Legacy Life (Ep. 826)

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1:18 This is Undaunted Life A Man's Podcast.

1:22 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

1:24 Let's get into it.

1:25 I'm David.

1:26 Bill, welcome to the show.

1:27 Welcome to the studio.

1:28 Glad to be here, man.

1:29 Good to be here.

1:30 Good to be here.

1:31 Yeah, it looked like he came with bells on.

1:32 But right from the beginning, David, we got to cover a few things here.

1:35 Because I owe you a thank you.

1:37 I owe you an explanation for why I'm mad at you, and I also owe you an apology.

1:42 Okay, so yeah, we're going to go in that order.

1:44 So there was mine in my own business, okay?

1:47 19-year-old Kyle just got home for my freshman year at UCO.

1:51 I'm in Lawton, which is my hometown, and I need a job.

1:54 And so my buddy had gotten a job at Hobby Lobby there in Lawton because his mom knew

1:59 some ladies that worked in the floral department or worked in fabric or whatever.

2:02 They're like, "Hey, they need an extra guy to help put stuff together," and all that.

2:05 I'm like, "Cool.

2:06 I'm in.

2:07 So I go, I get the job.

2:08 It's perfect," and all that.

2:09 But then they convinced me to do this job.

2:11 That sounded cool.

2:12 It was called seasonal.

2:13 Yeah.

2:14 And so I'm thinking there's going to be some sort of like outdoor thing, like as part of

2:18 this or whatever, but come to find out I'm on the floor, okay?

2:22 And so two bad things about me being on the floor is, number one, they would call for

2:27 a, "Well, I'll get to that here in a second because that's the thing I'm out of you about."

2:31 But so thank you, first of all, because you gave me money that summer because I was able

2:35 to take girls on dates.

2:37 One of those girls you just met was my wife, and so it worked out, worked out really well.

2:40 So thank you very much for that.

2:42 But now what I'm really frustrated about is there was something called a code one back

2:46 in that time.

2:47 And so what code one meant is if you're on the floor doing something, you had to come

2:50 to the front and help check people out, right?

2:54 Problem was that at that time, there were no scanners.

2:57 You had to be boo everything in manually into the machine or whatever.

3:01 And if you made one mistake, you had to call a manager, right?

3:04 And I always got the gals that had 750 different pieces of like, you know, buttons or stuff

3:12 or scrapbooks or anything like that.

3:14 And so I always messed up, always had to call a manager.

3:18 And that code one was like something that was burned into my brain.

3:21 And also the ladies that had the most obscure things they were trying to find.

3:26 I mean, because there's only 74 trillion things in Hobby Lobby that you can buy.

3:30 But ladies would never come up to me and ask me in July, like, Hey, where are the Christmas

3:34 trees?

3:35 Because the answer would be everywhere.

3:36 They're everywhere.

3:37 Just go just go find one and buy it.

3:38 They would be like, I'm looking for an epoxy pour for a tabletop or I'm looking for a button

3:43 for a civil war era doll and I'm just like, Oh, no, I have no idea where stuff is.

3:49 But now we need to get to my apology.

3:50 I know this is taking a minute.

3:52 It's my last day at Hobby Lobby.

3:54 I'm about to go back to school.

3:56 I'm about to have to leave for my very last shift.

3:58 And all I can think is code one, code one, code one, car.

4:02 We need you to come to the front.

4:03 We need you to help check people out and all that.

4:05 I call my manager and I say, I'm not coming in today.

4:09 And so I'm supposed to be there.

4:10 There were people depending on me, David, and I just, I'm sorry.

4:14 I've been like holding this burden all these years until this day.

4:18 And so I'm very, very sorry that I did that to Hobby Lobby in law, Oklahoma.

4:22 Well, I'm sorry I didn't work out quite as good as you should have.

4:25 It should have been.

4:26 So anyway, yeah, that's my legacy, right?

4:28 Yeah.

4:29 Because of code one.

4:30 Because of code one and like, I should have just grinned and buried.

4:32 It wasn't the worst job I ever had because I was selling coupon books door to door in

4:36 a suit and tie in Oklahoma, you know, for a while there.

4:39 And so I couldn't go to a mini mall for a while without having like a mini panic attack

4:42 or whatever.

4:43 But yeah.

4:44 So my legacy with Hobby Lobby in law in Oklahoma, probably not great, didn't leave an indelible

4:48 legacy.

4:49 But that's really the reason we're here talking to you guys today because you have a new book

4:52 out.

4:53 You got a copy there.

4:54 And we'll show it here and guys it is in the show notes.

4:55 So it's called the legacy life leading your family to make a difference for eternity.

5:00 And so just kind of like 30,000 foot view to start.

5:03 So obviously y'all are, you know, author, co-author, you kind of worked together on this particular

5:08 thing and we're going to dig into the specifics on the book here in just a second.

5:11 But why this book?

5:13 Why now?

5:14 Why you two guys?

5:15 Yeah, I think I'm going to let you answer that, Bill.

5:17 All right.

5:18 Get in here, Bill.

5:19 Well, Dave and I have been doing leadership events with men and well, I guess wives come

5:23 too.

5:24 But the short of it is we've been doing these events for 20 years and people have been coming

5:28 in from all over the country.

5:31 So people like yourself that want to figure out how to be better leaders, better men.

5:35 And we just wrote a book about two, three years ago called leadership not by the book

5:39 and the chapter there that got everybody's attention was how do you build for 150 years?

5:46 So we got enough comments on that that led us to this idea.

5:50 We really need to create the next book, which is like the legacy life.

5:54 What is a legacy?

5:56 So there you go.

5:57 Okay.

5:58 And David, what's like a goal?

6:00 So a head of the household, right, a guy who takes his role of headship seriously and

6:05 loving his wife as Christ of the church and raising his children up in the nurture and

6:08 admonition of the Lord, he gets done finishing this book.

6:11 He's gone to the last page.

6:12 What's a win for somebody?

6:13 A win for me is, and we have always been, for a very long time, trying to tell as many

6:18 people about Jesus as we can.

6:20 Amen.

6:21 So if you let watch us and see what we've done, you'll see that we are really excited about

6:25 telling people about Jesus.

6:27 So now there's just more of that to be done.

6:29 So in my future is first you want to, you care about your family.

6:32 You want to have a family that serves the Lord.

6:35 My family serves the Lord.

6:36 There's only 45 of us counting our grandkids and our great grandkids.

6:40 Let's go.

6:41 But so we're excited about what God has done there and raising a family is a lot harder

6:44 than building a business, by the way.

6:47 It's very challenging, but God is always there with us.

6:50 But now it's just a matter of what am I going to do in my last days is we just want to be

6:54 involved in telling as many people about Jesus and different ministries we're involved in

6:59 to tell people about Jesus.

7:00 Now what else is there at some point and that's what there is for me now.

7:04 Well, in the eternal ramifications of a family versus a business, because you do a good job

7:09 of kind of doing a few exposés on some long-term families and everyone kind of knows colloquially

7:13 like, okay, second generation can maybe build it a little bit further.

7:16 Third generation typically things get lost and fourth generation like there's just, there's

7:20 way too many people, not enough money to go around.

7:22 I even heard this morning, you know, the Vanderbilts left the next generation $100 million, which

7:27 in today's money is like $3 billion or something like that.

7:30 And within a couple of generations, it was all not all gone, but it just wasn't nearly

7:33 what it was.

7:34 And so it's like, hey, where have all the billionaires gone?

7:36 But there was there was a very poignant quote early in the book that to be honest completely

7:42 shifted my perspective on legacy.

7:44 And I don't know why it hit me so hard because, you know, when you're in college and you're

7:49 really involved and all that, you think, oh, I'm going to leave a legacy and all that.

7:52 But it's all very me, me, me, I'm going to do this type of thing.

7:54 I want to want to read this quote because y'all are kind of resetting the definition

7:58 of legacy and it certainly helped me.

8:00 So let's reset the definition of legacy.

8:02 Legacy is not what we leave behind.

8:04 That's a popular way of thinking about legacy.

8:06 But to be honest, I think that's too easy leaving it behind means that you don't have

8:10 any responsibility.

8:11 And here's the key.

8:12 I like this definition.

8:14 Legacy is what you set in motion.

8:16 What will you set in motion for the next 150 years?

8:19 What will you set in motion for all eternity?

8:22 What do I mean by set in motion?

8:24 And so y'all can just kind of give the audience an idea of like, okay, why do you like that

8:29 version of legacy?

8:30 Because some people think legacy is build a lot of money, a lot of wealth, get a lot

8:35 of people, especially in this generation, a lot of people looking at me, like I'm an

8:38 influencer, right?

8:39 I'm going to get my name maybe on a building at a university because I donated a lot of

8:42 money.

8:43 And those things aren't bad in and of themselves, but it's not necessarily hitting, you know,

8:48 striking the court of legacy that either one of you would maybe say.

8:51 Yeah, Kyle, I'm a lawyer.

8:52 So, you know, I practice law a long time and, you know, in the estate planning area, that's

8:56 what people tend to think about.

8:58 They think about leave it behind, names on the building, the whole bit.

9:01 It's about this idea of fame, all wrong idea.

9:04 Yeah.

9:05 And the better idea is that idea of set in motion and in David's story, which we help

9:10 pull out and bring out one of the big things, David, you should talk about that.

9:15 The three goals that you started with and then how you change those goals over time.

9:19 Yeah.

9:20 I said, you know, what I want, I have goals when I first got married that I want to have

9:24 a good marriage.

9:25 We've been married for 63 years.

9:27 I wanted to be, I wanted my children to serve the Lord.

9:31 And I want to be successful, whatever I had to do.

9:34 But then at some point, it's like I've got to add something to that.

9:37 And what we've added to it is we want to tell as many people about Jesus and have people

9:41 come to know Him as much as we can.

9:43 So that's a legacy for me.

9:44 It's not what we have done.

9:46 That's good.

9:47 And that's great.

9:48 What's going to go forward and what's going forward has a lot to do with how you form

9:52 your company, what you do to have your company go continue where gen four and gen five can

9:56 do as good a job as gen one.

9:58 But there's a lot of work you have to do to make that happen that nothing, no one gets

10:03 anything for free.

10:04 They have to work for it.

10:05 So there's a lot that we've done to make sure that everybody knows that they have a

10:08 tremendous responsibility and they only get what they earn.

10:11 So we have it set up to where you, if you're a gen four person or a gen three, you get what

10:15 you earn and no more, but that's what's really important.

10:18 That's why it's harder, I think, to do a family than to do a business.

10:22 Do a business.

10:23 We're going to do about eight billion this year.

10:24 But to do a family is much, much harder and it's much, much more important.

10:28 Well we want to make sure our family is doing something for tomorrow.

10:31 Not just, oh, we've done this.

10:33 And so that's what we're focusing on that we can do it well.

10:36 When I think it's an important shift as well, I've heard recently I was listening to a podcast

10:40 this morning talking about Bill Gates and some other very prominent folks have said they're

10:46 not leaving anything for their children, right?

10:48 So they're going to put things in a trust that, you know, it's a charitable trust that

10:51 gives money here and there and maybe they'll let their kid work at the place or the family

10:56 office or something like that and go from there and it's like, wait, wait a minute.

11:00 Like I feel like you lost the threats and where and again, most of these people don't

11:03 have a biblical or Christian worldview or things like that, but it's like there's not anything

11:07 inherently, no pun intended wrong with leaving something for the next generation.

11:11 That's of course, from a biblical perspective, that's what we are called to do, right?

11:15 You know, he who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever.

11:18 That provision doesn't stop when you stop breathing, you know what I mean?

11:21 And so it's an interesting perspective to where it's like, look, I'm not just giving

11:24 this to you, but I'm setting this in motion and handing you the ball as it were.

11:29 You know what I mean?

11:30 Yeah, by the way, if I can talk about that, Bill Gates is leaving 99% of his estate.

11:35 I just did a post on this, so I just got to jump in.

11:38 That's perfect.

11:39 So his kids are getting 1%, well, the three kids are actually going to inherit a billion

11:43 dollars each.

11:44 Oh, okay.

11:45 So we're not feeling sorry for them.

11:48 Forget those kids.

11:49 Zuckerberg, same thing.

11:50 Yeah, that's right.

11:51 It has two daughters, 86 billion.

11:53 So we're not feeling that bad for them, okay?

11:55 All right.

11:56 So yeah, we're not not feeling bad at all.

11:58 The issue is downstream from those guys when you have people that don't have that kind

12:03 of generational power wealth, right, if you were, and they're taking a page out of Bill

12:09 Gates's book because that's their aspirational identity, is to be a Bill Gates type of person.

12:14 We got to redefine wealth partly too, because it's not just about money.

12:18 It's the intellectual, spiritual, emotional, and social capital.

12:23 And so that's why David is driving so hard toward this idea of what are we going to see

12:28 in heaven.

12:29 And that's why he's talking about the soul, say, that's what we're setting in motion.

12:33 That day that we get to stand before Jesus and say, man, here's what we produced with

12:39 what you gave us.

12:41 So they're talking about the idea.

12:42 How do we create opportunity and not just give them money?

12:46 And I think that's a key word.

12:47 Just an opportunity.

12:48 We want all of our kids to have an opportunity.

12:51 Like I said, there's 46 of us now, including our Gen 4, and everybody has an opportunity

12:55 to earn a salary.

12:57 And we have a group of us, the Bible says in the multitude of counsel, their safety.

13:01 So there's a council of us in Gen 1 and Gen 2 that makes decisions on salary, and your

13:07 salary ought to be what you earn, not some big amount.

13:11 So we see what we earn is what belongs to us, and everything else in terms of profit

13:15 doesn't belong to us.

13:16 The Bible says God owns everything.

13:18 Well, if he owns everything, now a lot of times Christians say that, but they don't

13:21 live that.

13:22 Living it is totally different than saying it.

13:24 So we want to make sure that we live that.

13:27 And so any profits that we make does not go to the family, it goes to the Lord, but you

13:32 get what you earn.

13:33 So I think when you have a situation with your family, they earn everything they get.

13:37 I think you're pretty safe in Gen 2 and Gen 3 and coming on Gen 4, that you have to earn

13:42 what you get and you get nothing that you don't earn.

13:45 And I think that's healthy for everybody is to get what you earn, but not leaving someone

13:49 of a billion dollars.

13:50 You can choose to work or not to work.

13:52 Our family has to choose to work, not to work or not to work.

13:56 And so that's what we feel like is very important.

13:58 When I've had this discussion because, you know, I grew up kind of lower middle class,

14:02 I was never hungry.

14:03 I was never hot when it was cold out or vice versa, like any of those types of things,

14:06 but there wasn't a lot of extra, right?

14:08 My parents worked their butts off to provide for us.

14:11 So I'm very, very thankful for that.

14:12 But I've talked to friends now, they're in a little bit of a different income bracket

14:16 and I'm in a different income bracket than my family was.

14:19 And a lot of them are worried about, well, we're not growing up in the school because,

14:24 you know, the level of streets smarts I had to have growing up in certain parts of Lawton

14:28 and just kind of keeping your head on a swivel and certain things like that.

14:31 Like my boys aren't going to have to worry about some of those things, like walking home

14:34 from school and getting an I've put on you when you're 10 years old, like, you know,

14:37 there's just things they're not going to have to work for.

14:40 But then you look at kind of who you became and the amount of resilience that you had to

14:43 cultivate over a period of time and you're like, Oh, am I stealing that for my kids?

14:46 But for my kids, it doesn't matter what kind of cars they're going to ride in with mommy

14:50 and daddy or what kind of house they get to live in.

14:52 Those boys, not only are they going to be super toxically masculine, but they are going

14:56 to be, they are going to learn about hard work.

14:59 They're going to learn about like real punishment and they're going to learn about service to

15:02 others and things like that.

15:03 And so that's kind of my, my message to guys that are made, they feel bad about the wealth

15:08 that they've generated or, you know, the opportunities financially that they've generated for their

15:12 family is like, guys, this isn't a net negative, but you can, someone can hand you the ball

15:17 and you can run it poorly, right?

15:19 And so like, let's focus on the not running it poorly part.

15:22 I don't know if we put this in the book, Kyle, but David, you talked about this.

15:25 The hardest thing to do is to not do for your children.

15:29 Oh, yeah.

15:30 Yeah, that's, that's exactly true because you can do so much for them.

15:33 And I think in most cases, we're just hurting them by and doing too much.

15:37 So we have to, as parents, decide what we can do.

15:39 We're having our grand, our great grand force, which is our great grandkids, we were helping

15:45 them in going to a Christian, not a college, but yeah, a college when they get there, but

15:50 schools.

15:51 So those are some of the things that we want them to do.

15:53 We want them to be trained right and go into Christian elementary schools, junior high and

15:58 so forth.

15:59 So those are the things that I think we can do with our money is to make sure that the

16:02 schooling is right, but trying to keep them from their hard knocks, as you said, is not

16:06 something we're not trying to do.

16:07 This is how they learn.

16:08 This is how they grow up is having the hard knocks.

16:10 We're not trying to throw a blanket under every time they're going to fall and that's,

16:14 that's good for them.

16:15 Well, so you, you talk about this, uh, let's actually get into because we're, we're spent

16:19 a lot of time talking family about kind of the fall of the family.

16:22 So this is a, an element of the book towards the, the latter half, but a couple of quotes

16:26 here, the rise and fall of the family, I'll just stick with this first quote, the rise

16:29 and fall of the family might be stated simply, we allowed culture to define the family instead

16:33 of the Bible.

16:34 Okay.

16:35 And so I've, I've talked about a lot about the church.

16:39 So whatever that means to you, but the capital C church accepting its position as downstream

16:44 of culture.

16:45 And so I've, you know, just comes to mind Ireland, whenever Ireland, uh, legalized abortion,

16:50 right?

16:51 Oh, this is a Catholic country.

16:52 How could that possibly happen?

16:53 Well, the Catholic church had accepted its position as being downstream of culture.

16:57 And then they were shocked when the culture shifted.

16:59 And so when you're not upstream of culture, you have to take the dictates and whims of

17:04 culture onto your own back.

17:06 And so when you say that the, the culture has defined what the family is, what, what do

17:11 you all mean by that?

17:12 Yeah.

17:13 And because this is one I'm into right now pretty deeply, I've seen it by the way in

17:17 David's family because let me start there first and then he can talk about that.

17:22 But when they started out as a small family, you know, growing up, they had to work together.

17:30 They bought their food together.

17:32 They bought furniture together.

17:34 They worked in the cotton fields together.

17:36 That's what historically we call families of collective.

17:39 Right.

17:40 People is written from a collective perspective, the Middle Eastern perspective says, families

17:45 of team and we advances a team, not from an individual perspective.

17:51 So even when Paul's writing his letters to the church, it is to the church as a group.

17:57 What are you going to do together?

17:59 That perspective changes everything.

18:02 We think about it from a Western perspective.

18:04 We think it's written for me.

18:05 And that's why we read, we read the Bible for nuggets.

18:08 I've got this for me.

18:10 And so much of it doesn't apply to me as an individual.

18:13 No, it's good.

18:14 But it is.

18:15 It's not going to sustain you long term.

18:16 It applies to us as a group.

18:18 There's one narrative and it's one family that throughout history, it's Abraham's family

18:23 from Genesis to Revelation.

18:26 And when we recognize that Steve Green, David's second son wrote a book called This Beautiful

18:32 Book.

18:33 And it's this idea of the Bible as one story, but it's really written from the perspective

18:37 of a family and what will we do together as a family changes everything.

18:42 Right.

18:43 And I think additionally to that, David, I'd love to get your feedback on this, just generational

18:48 faithfulness.

18:49 Because that's something that you set out to do and it's something that you're building.

18:53 And so I don't come from a legacy of faith from my family and things like that.

18:58 So the way I describe my family is the way I describe a lot of people.

19:00 I describe it as country music theology.

19:03 And so what country music theology is, is that, you know, your grandma was baptized and was

19:08 a good Christian and we go to church occasionally and when we vote, we vote Republican and we

19:12 listen to 90s country music, which is the best version, by the way.

19:16 And then God is pro all those things.

19:18 So we get to go to heaven, right?

19:20 No discussion of depravity, no discussion of sin and repentance, like no discussion of

19:23 those types of things.

19:24 And so in a lot of ways, my bride and I, we're feeling like we're starting a generation

19:30 of faith, like generational stuff like that, but to read the quote from the book and keeping

19:34 with his God's generational character, God expects a similar behavior from his people.

19:40 He doesn't want just Abraham to keep his commandments or just Moses or just Joshua or just me.

19:46 He wants generations of faithfulness.

19:49 And so this concept, David has changed really everything for me.

19:52 It's changed how I pray.

19:53 I don't pray with my sons.

19:55 I pray over them.

19:56 And so they're five and three years old and so I'm praying, Lord, I know you have big

20:00 things in store for James and Elijah, I just pray that you continue to help us guide them

20:05 so that they will be strong, courageous, brave, tender, hearted men of God, that you

20:10 will reveal your will to them and things like that.

20:12 So it's giving them that aspirational identity that is not locked into what college they

20:17 go to or professionally get, how much money they make, who they marry, what type of car

20:20 they drive, but it's that generational faithfulness piece.

20:23 Yeah.

20:24 That's, that's so much important.

20:25 That's why for us, Barbara and I, the most important thing for us is to have children

20:29 and grandchildren and great-grandchildren to serve the Lord.

20:32 Amen.

20:33 And I think that has to do a lot with how you live your life.

20:35 So it's one thing to say, this is the way that you should live your life and you live

20:39 it completely different.

20:41 So we want to make sure that, that our family knows that we believe God has the best, has

20:46 the best book for us.

20:47 We love the book and that's why we've done so much to promote it and have a museum as

20:52 an example.

20:53 It's because we love God's Word.

20:55 And so I think when God's Word gets into our hearts and our children's hearts and our

20:59 grandchildren and our great-grandchildren's, they see it as a beautiful thing.

21:03 So God has given us something very, very beautiful and we want to try to live that out

21:07 as best we can, as imperfect as we can.

21:10 We want to live it out so people in our family just wants to follow that, you know, that's

21:14 the right way to go.

21:15 And so if everybody's gone that way, if you're outside, you're swimming, you're swimming

21:18 the wrong way and that's not real fun.

21:21 But if everybody, most of us, all of us, I think, serve in the Lord, I think it makes

21:25 it easy for everybody else.

21:27 So that's what we want to do.

21:28 We just want to be the best example we can be to tell people that this Word has something

21:32 for you that's much greater than anything else.

21:35 So following God's Word is so important to us and hopefully we're doing that and therefore

21:39 our children are also following that same way of life.

21:43 Yeah, Kyle, if I can take off that because David's the same, something really important,

21:47 which is sometimes we hear this idea of family and we think about, okay, we are a family

21:52 and we want all that family unity and closeness and that's all great.

21:57 But family's purpose is not just because you guys are going to have a nice Christmas together

22:02 and sit around and drink hot cocoa.

22:04 It's what David's talking about.

22:06 It's that they have a mission and a purpose, which is to get out the gospel.

22:09 You have to think as a family, what are we called to and it is bigger than just the family?

22:14 There always has to be a bigger purpose for the family.

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24:20 I want to talk about family code here in just a second, but I think in some of the things

24:25 that we're doing, you almost walk a very precarious line about being too child centric.

24:31 And so you actually address that in the book.

24:33 And so there's a quote here, this child centered parenting has the impact of teaching kids

24:37 that the world is about them.

24:39 The accomplishments of the individual are more important than the accomplishments of

24:43 the family, the community and the church.

24:46 And my goodness, that's where we're at right now because we live in Edmond, Oklahoma.

24:50 This is they could call this travel ball city.

24:53 That's what they could call this, right?

24:54 Because if your kid doesn't get on the best seven year old baseball team, then they're

24:59 not going to be invited to try out for the best eight year old baseball team.

25:02 And if they don't make the best eight year old baseball team, they're not going to make

25:05 it to the St. Louis Cardinals.

25:06 And gosh, you just can't steal that opportunity away from your kids.

25:10 And the pressure that is put on kids by their parents, either directly or indirectly, you

25:15 know, there's a there's a family that I know the middle child was really good at golf, maybe

25:20 even prodigy level good at golf.

25:22 Mom and dad quit their jobs in Oklahoma, moved their family of five to Florida because there

25:27 would be more available and better golf tournaments.

25:31 This kid was like 11 years old, what if he turned 16 and he just doesn't want to golf

25:36 that much anymore?

25:37 He wants to play here or there.

25:39 The amount of pressure on that kid now, because we moved his older sibling and his younger

25:43 sibling away from their school, away from their church, away from their friends.

25:47 And now you don't want to golf anymore.

25:49 Now if he goes off and becomes Tiger Woods, okay, net positive, right?

25:53 But it's the child centered focus that I think it does a disservice certainly to the family,

25:58 but especially to the individual child.

26:00 Yeah, I don't think that we see ourselves as that way because I think that we believe

26:04 that whatever God has for you, we're with you, okay, whatever, God has something different

26:10 for every one of my kids.

26:12 So I don't try to get them with Hobby Lobby if they want Hobby Lobby fine.

26:16 So I think we try to direct our family in such what is it God has for you, not for what

26:21 I have for you.

26:22 I want you to do X, Y, and Z, because I think we can go down on a lot of bad trails like

26:26 you've just explained.

26:27 And so I don't think we get involved in things like that as much as just what does God have

26:32 for you.

26:33 So we don't try to direct our kids in any way, but we see what maybe they have a talent,

26:38 maybe in a particular way, like our Gen 3s and say, hey, do you want this particular position

26:42 in the company?

26:44 Well, that's the things we do, but we really think God has a plan for everybody's life

26:48 and we need to back off and let God have his plan for every one of our children.

26:52 Yeah, I would say too, Kyle, when you ask that question, one of the things that that

26:56 child-centered parenting leads to is what you described is it means that you're going

27:00 to raise your kids up and you're going to kick them out.

27:03 Yeah.

27:04 Independence is the goal.

27:05 And so that's why you have so much geographic splintering of the family in the U.S. in particular.

27:12 But one of the things I was going to point out, David talked about it, you're at, what,

27:16 47, 48 over four generations now.

27:19 I mean, most people don't get married that soon.

27:21 They did and they started having kids and their kids started having kids early.

27:25 So they got four generations, but they're all here in Oklahoma City.

27:28 Yeah.

27:29 And how many people have that?

27:30 I mean, I can't think of anybody because, you know, you run into, because everybody's

27:35 got jacked up families for the most part, but part of the jacked upness is how many different

27:40 thanksgivings we have to go to and how many, you know, Christmases we have to go to and

27:44 if there's any divorce, obviously now there's awkwardness and, you know, well, this ain't

27:48 can't be around that cousin because my goodness, what's going to happen there?

27:52 And the level of stress and strain, I mean, my wife and I feel it because we have no family

27:56 in Edmond.

27:57 This is where we settled because we both got scholarships to the University of Central

28:00 Oklahoma.

28:01 We loved Edmond.

28:02 So we settled here.

28:03 And so there's not this, babe, I'm just feeling a little disconnected lately.

28:07 And I don't want that to continue.

28:09 We need to go on a date night and not at some point in the non defined future.

28:12 We need to go on a date night tonight, call grandma and grandpa or me, me and pop pop or

28:16 whatever you call them.

28:17 And you just drop the kids off.

28:18 Well, you can't do that if your family's two and a half hours away, right?

28:21 You can't do that for an hour and a half away.

28:23 It becomes a struggle for you and just makes things harder.

28:27 It doesn't make them impossible, but it certainly makes things quite a bit harder.

28:31 And y'all get into this because in the book, you talk about the basic elements of a family

28:35 code and this is like, you know, basically, it's, this may as well be Rosetta stone to

28:41 someone like they don't know what that means, a family code.

28:45 And I've thought about this a lot because I've been exposed to a lot of different organizations

28:48 that will take you on a retreat or, you know, they'll come to your Sunday school class and

28:52 they'll tell you like, okay, here's the things you need to find for your family need to come

28:54 up with the family logo and a family slogan and all these things.

28:58 And it just seems so overwhelming, but they want to be able to say something someday like

29:02 when I look at James and he's in trouble, we'll use Eli as an example because we're

29:06 at jujitsu last night, he decided to be a fantastic idea to start drawing on the walls

29:10 in the kids room.

29:11 Not a good idea, obviously, but let's just say one of our things was, you know, respect

29:17 for others, right?

29:19 Those aren't my walls.

29:21 That's not my gym.

29:22 That's someone else's property.

29:24 And so I could look at Eli and say, hey, buddy, do Thompson's treat other people's properly

29:29 poorly.

29:30 Well, now I'm calling him into an identity as opposed to getting on to him for something

29:34 specific that he did wrong, which I'm also doing.

29:36 But the higher calling is, look, Thompson's hold these standards and y'all specifically

29:41 talk about in the book, the basic elements of a family code one, how will we live towards

29:46 God?

29:47 Two, how will we live toward our families?

29:50 And three, how will we live towards others?

29:53 So let's start unpacking that a little bit.

29:54 Yeah.

29:55 Let me back up.

29:56 The short of how this happened, of how they first began developing this is they came to

30:03 me and said, look at our estate plan, okay, which is the way a lot of families start.

30:08 We were having an estate plan.

30:09 I said, you have a good estate plan, but you have a poor legacy plan.

30:15 And that led them to actually be going down the road of creating their family vision,

30:20 mission values, and that led to some of those ideas.

30:23 So yeah.

30:24 Yeah.

30:25 That's really good.

30:26 Bill was really instrumental and that's coming up with this.

30:29 This is who we are.

30:30 We all are Christians, we go to church, all of this, but we really needed a document.

30:35 So we put a document together that has our vision, our mission, and our values.

30:40 Our vision is to go on the adventure of impacting our world for Christ.

30:44 That's our vision.

30:45 Our mission is to love God intimately and love extravagant, live extravagant generosity.

30:51 And our values are God, family, and others.

30:53 So we go under each one of those categories and say, what is it to have values of God,

30:58 family, and others?

31:00 So we have a document and once a year we meet approximately every quarter, but once a year

31:05 we come together and we bring this and we talk about it.

31:08 So our family has a mission, we have a mission and we have vision and we have values.

31:14 So that has kind of brought us together.

31:16 This is who we are.

31:17 So one and two put it together, gen one, gen two.

31:20 We took the gen three and says, is there anything that you, you, different scriptures?

31:24 Is there anything that you can't buy into this?

31:26 And they changed that scripture or two, but then this is what they wanted to do.

31:30 So our family lives under a document that, that's all, that's all Bible.

31:35 Now sometimes people would ask me, well, well, what does that change over the year?

31:39 Only if the Bible does, because it's all based on what God's word says.

31:42 Conveniently it doesn't change.

31:43 No, it doesn't change.

31:44 You know, so anyway, it's something that's helped us come together.

31:47 So once the year for the last 15 years or so, we come together on the first Saturday

31:52 of every year, everybody knows to be there, everybody that's 16 and older and we talk

31:56 about who and what we are.

31:58 So we want to, here's who we want to be and here's what we want to be.

32:02 And we really wanted to be followed through Christ and how do we do that and how we put

32:05 that in words.

32:06 When you, you got, go ahead.

32:08 I don't, I want to underscore what he just talked about, the importance of that, but

32:11 the idea of the vision, mission values becomes that family code, the family identity.

32:18 And so you got 47, 48 family members here, but they do an annual family celebration and

32:24 they renew that vision, mission values, the way of life, that's a biblical idea.

32:30 Think about it.

32:31 There are seven festivals in the Bible, Sabbath, some people call that a festival, but that's

32:35 a weekly thing.

32:36 And the idea is that you pull back, you remember, you rest, you reflect on what God has done.

32:44 You want to do that weekly, monthly, but then this annual family celebration is way, the

32:49 way you get the whole ship together and say, we're rowing in this direction.

32:54 And some what David said a little bit earlier, again, I don't want to miss this.

32:57 When you get your family pointed in the direction, it's a lot harder for people to walk away

33:02 with that.

33:03 Why would you walk away from something that is so clear in its direction?

33:06 So let's talk a little bit because you answered a little bit of it.

33:10 How do you inculcate those values in the subsequent generations after yours?

33:15 So obviously doing a retreat like that, that's annual, that's on the calendar.

33:18 It's part of your rhythm as a family.

33:20 It's not, Hey, what, when is it happening this year?

33:22 No, this is when it happens.

33:23 This is when it always happens.

33:25 But let's talk about the rest of the weeks of the year, right?

33:28 So that's, you know, one weekend or one week.

33:30 And so what are the touch points?

33:32 What are the ways that you can continue to inculcate those values?

33:35 I remember from the book, I believe at y'all's headquarters, you have some of this printed

33:39 and like on the wall.

33:40 And so it's like, it's just around you.

33:43 It's like you're marinating it.

33:44 Like I've, I've described before, Phil Robertson is a very special man to me and at the time

33:48 I've been able to spend with the Robertson family.

33:51 And the thing about Phil Robertson is, you know, out of the overflow of the heart, the

33:54 mouth speaks, when I would talk to Phil, not only was his Bible always within hand,

34:00 you know, arm's length of him, whether we're in the, you know, the, the duck blind or the

34:03 duck shop or the studio or his house or something like that, the scripture just comes out of

34:08 him.

34:09 And it's like, it was so challenging to me, but it's like, Oh, of course he's marinated

34:13 in it.

34:14 He's marinated in these truths.

34:15 So he can just, Hey, look at here, son, and then just flip to this page and he's got a

34:18 little note there and then he flips over back to something over here and goes, but specifically

34:22 with these family mission vision values, these, these core principles, how do we inculcate

34:27 that year round?

34:28 Yeah.

34:29 And the main thing to do is, as a parent is to, is to live it.

34:33 I think there's nothing better than just living what you teach, you know, the love that we

34:37 love God's word.

34:38 We love, we love it so much that it, it directs us in our business.

34:41 It directs us in our family.

34:43 So we try to live it.

34:44 And I use the word try because we're certainly not perfect at it.

34:46 But as a, as a parent, Barbara and I, we have children that serve the Lord, then they have

34:50 to do the same thing and they, and they have children that do the same thing.

34:53 So I think when you see parents that live it and you see that it works and, and you teach

34:58 them God's word and, and you're, you never not in church, not that that saves you, but

35:03 it sure helps to be regular in church and get into God's word.

35:07 So we try to do that as an example and I, I don't know that there's a better example

35:10 of having a family to follow you.

35:13 Yes, we have our mission vision and values and we meet once the year, but that's once

35:17 the year.

35:18 But every week we're, we're in church where we love the Lord and, and we want to live

35:23 a life that someone says, you know, I think that works because some things just don't

35:27 work.

35:28 And we also show them where it doesn't work because it just doesn't work for people that

35:32 are not serving the Lord.

35:33 I don't care how much money you have and how much, the prestige you have, if, if you're

35:38 not ready to go to heaven and you don't see Jesus at the end of your day, you really

35:42 don't have anything.

35:44 That's right.

35:45 Bill church, not an option, by the way, in that family and today, you know, with all

35:48 these travel schedules, sports and all that kind of stuff, we've made church an option.

35:52 And that's hard to add on, you know, it's an, you know, do we want to again, that individual

35:57 symbolism, but again, underscoring some of what they do, it's not only the annual celebration,

36:03 but they're quarterly, they used to be monthly, but quarterly birthday celebrations.

36:08 And then they do a monthly family giving meeting and generation one, two and three all participate

36:14 in that.

36:15 So family giving has been a big part of driving home those family values because when you see

36:20 family on a regular basis, talking about discussing what do we care about?

36:26 What do we believe in?

36:27 That's how they do it.

36:28 I just finished a book by Trudy White, who is, um, true at Kathy's daughter.

36:34 And she talks about exactly the same thing.

36:37 So that we're not making this up in the book at all.

36:40 David's family is a bit of a model on how they've done it, but the other successful

36:44 families who are trying to set in motion a generational legacy, this is what they do.

36:48 Weekly, monthly, nightly, you got to have routines and rhythms driven around vision, mission

36:54 values.

36:55 I want to, and you know, everyone likes this quote, it's not, it's not perfect, but it's

36:59 basically like more is caught than taught, you know, when it comes to children, things

37:02 like that.

37:03 So the day that goes back to what you said about actually living this out because I don't

37:06 ever want to be the dad that says, do as I say, not as I do.

37:10 And here's the thing about my boys.

37:12 So, uh, I'm, I'm in the gym.

37:14 I have a gym here in the garage and I'm, I'm in the gym early this morning and both of

37:18 my sons in their PJs come out to my gym before mom even wakes up, right?

37:22 So they kind of just snuck out to my gym, well, what's dad doing out there?

37:26 Not wasting time.

37:27 I'm already sweaty, right?

37:28 I could ring out my shirt.

37:30 And so they're just seeing that.

37:32 And then, you know, they hear me talk about it.

37:34 They hear, you know, me, Hey, I'm going to go work out with some friends or Hey, I'm

37:38 going to go do this.

37:39 And part of the reason why I'm doing that is because one of these days, one of those

37:42 boys is going to be on the playground.

37:44 He's going to say, Hey, my dad can beat up your dad.

37:45 I want to make sure they're not lying, right?

37:47 Because being honest is a, is a core value of our family.

37:50 And so you're, you're showing that and inculcating those values.

37:54 The thing I have, and so all this has been fairly positive and, you know, family and

37:58 everything's great.

37:59 But you know, people are jacked up, right?

38:01 We're sinners, right?

38:02 We have a propensity for being dumb and making bad decisions.

38:05 So let's say you've got, you know, your mission, your vision, your values, you're doing the

38:10 annual retreats, you're doing the birthday celebrate, you're doing all those things.

38:14 Someone goes wayward, right?

38:16 Maybe they get pulled into something chemical or physical.

38:20 That takes them down a different road.

38:21 Maybe they, they have a philosophy 101 professor in college that said something interesting

38:25 to them.

38:26 And Allison, you know, God doesn't exist to the sky daddy.

38:29 He's not a real thing, right?

38:31 And so they either reject the principles of the family or they go some version of prodigal

38:36 as it were.

38:38 What, what do you do as the head one, what, what does the family do, right?

38:43 Because there are levels that even in church discipline of like, okay, we're going to try

38:47 this.

38:48 We're going to try this is going to be a little bit more heavy handed.

38:51 And then eventually it's like, all right, you come back when you're ready.

38:54 But as the head, you have to be ready, like the prodigal father to take off running and

38:59 gather them back into the fold.

39:00 So let's talk about that a little bit.

39:02 I think the best thing you can do is just try to act like Jesus.

39:05 Jesus loves them no matter what.

39:07 And so if my son strays away from the Lord, I think I'm just going to, it hasn't happened

39:13 nor our grandson or even a great grandson, but if it does, I think the family's just going

39:17 to love them as much as they can.

39:19 So that's, that's what I think we should do.

39:20 Jesus died for us while we're yet sinners.

39:24 And so I think that's what we have to do.

39:25 I don't think we have to push them and tell them and they know what's right and what's

39:29 wrong because they've been taught that.

39:31 But I think the main thing we can do with someone that, that doesn't do is what God

39:35 would have them to do or, or lose is it.

39:37 We all, we all fail, where none of us are perfect, but at the same time you can't get

39:41 someone that's, that's just completely out.

39:45 And so I think it's so important for us to love them and let them know we love them.

39:49 And it's hard not to come back to love and people that love you.

39:52 Jesus loves us and it shouldn't be hard for us to come to him knowing that he loves us

39:57 like no one else.

39:58 Well, let's dig into love just a little bit more and I'd love both of your feedback on

40:01 that.

40:02 So as with a lot of terms that are used colloquially, someone will say something and everyone thinks,

40:08 oh, everyone believes the same thing about this word or phrase.

40:11 But then if you ask people to explain their, their belief system, in that particular word

40:16 or phrase, we're going to get a lot of different definitions.

40:19 And so some people hear love and they think whatever they do is fine, right?

40:24 You know, Jesus said, just come as you are.

40:25 It's like, well, he didn't technically say that.

40:27 And like if he, if he just accepts you the way that you are, there's no need for, you

40:31 know, repentance of sin and, you know, like turning away from, from your life of sin and

40:35 those types of things.

40:36 Whereas other people, more so like my personality, a lot of the guys in this audience, they think

40:41 tough love, whatever it takes, like we're going to, we're going to hold true to doctrine

40:45 and we're going to hold true to the word and we're going to love, but hey, Jesus loved

40:49 those Pharisees by calling them broods, vipers.

40:51 Okay.

40:52 Like Jesus loved those people by turning over their tables in the temple, right?

40:56 And so there's kind of two ends.

40:57 There's the, Hey man, whatever, just go along to get alongside.

41:00 And then there's the aggro, like super aggressive side of love.

41:03 And so let's talk about that.

41:05 I don't really like talking about spectrums, but it's like, let's talk about the spectrum

41:08 of love when you say, Hey, we're just going to love on them.

41:11 How?

41:12 Yeah.

41:13 I think what you just described as two extremes.

41:15 Sure.

41:16 Just two extremes.

41:17 And I think both are wrong.

41:18 And so I think we want that they know they should, we've taught, we've gone to church,

41:22 we know what the scriptures say, what the Bible says.

41:25 And that's what I keep going back to as God's word.

41:28 We've got to go by God's word.

41:30 Now we all see it different maybe, but, but I think that as we study it, I think God guides

41:35 us in his word and we know what's right.

41:37 So I think love is following the scriptures.

41:40 Right now we're involved in where do we give, for instance?

41:43 And a lot of people give in areas that's just good, but not great.

41:47 And if you can, you can give all your money to good and it doesn't have anything to do

41:51 with great, great being eternal, good being vapor.

41:54 And so that's one of the things that we're involved in now.

41:56 And you're talking about something that's kind of similar to that.

42:00 There's extremes on where you're giving your money and where you're giving it and about

42:04 your love.

42:05 It says, God loves you, but he also, God hates sin.

42:09 So that balance has to be in there.

42:11 Bill, what do you got?

42:13 Well, when I watch David's family, so I get the cat bird seed, if you will, and I watch

42:18 this.

42:19 And so sometimes maybe it's easy to hear that say, well, we want to just love them.

42:22 But it's true.

42:23 I've watched it in his family.

42:25 There's a very clear atmosphere of love and we're going to embrace you and it's going

42:30 to be this constant, hey, we're going this way.

42:33 That's why that clear articulation of values is so important.

42:37 But the other thing I've seen in David's life is he grants access.

42:41 He's available to them.

42:43 You know, sometimes you hear this talk, by the way, in the Christian world, about we

42:46 got to draw boundaries and that kind of stuff.

42:48 Man, sometimes that stuff's dangerous.

42:50 You got to give everybody access to yourself.

42:53 You got to give them time.

42:54 And I've seen his grandkids.

42:55 They've got time on the count.

42:57 Now, doesn't mean that David hasn't had hard conversations in the past, but it comes from

43:02 that atmosphere and the attitude of love and access.

43:05 You've got access to me.

43:07 And so, you know, as we, there's more to talk about with Lexi Life, but I do want to talk

43:11 about some of the other things that y'all are working on.

43:15 So my audience, so somehow, some way, this has become the number one podcast in the world

43:20 for Christian men.

43:21 And we've had an uphill battle basically from the beginning.

43:25 YouTube has rejected us for monetization.

43:27 We don't make a dime off of Apple or Spotify.

43:30 We don't have any private celebrity donors or anything like that.

43:32 Like we have guys given 10 bucks a month, 20 bucks a month to basically make sure that

43:36 we can keep the lights on those types of things and meta, you know, those are the only social

43:41 medias we use or Instagram and Facebook.

43:43 They've denied us monetization as well.

43:45 And so there's this struggle of we have to get out capital T truth.

43:49 The world is not typically a fan of capital T ultimate truth.

43:52 And then also we've got to get this message out there.

43:55 And so you've got a captive audience of lean forward, typically more aggressively minded

44:01 dudes that they want to do all this.

44:03 But sometimes they're a little bit Tasmanian devilish, like they're spinning energy in

44:07 a big circle and not in any particular direction.

44:10 And so to a guy that's listening to this outside of getting the legacy life, which guys again,

44:15 show notes, check it out, pick it up, read it.

44:17 What are they to do next?

44:18 Like they want to start doing these things.

44:21 They want to get these values going.

44:22 Like, gosh, when you describe four generations and, you know, grandkids have in time when

44:26 you're counter, they're like, oh my gosh, we're just trying to keep our kids from like

44:30 peeing their pants at pre K, you know what I mean?

44:32 Like, it's just so overwhelming.

44:33 What are the next steps?

44:35 You got to take some time to plan and get away, articulate the vision, mission values,

44:40 and then start teaching it on a day by day basis.

44:43 It's so many times the young family that we did this what David, when your kids were in

44:48 their thirties or forties.

44:49 Yeah, they're less.

44:50 Yeah.

44:51 We'd like to start earlier a little later, a little bit of a later start, I guess.

44:54 Yeah.

44:55 But while you guys had been teaching it, you just hadn't written down.

44:58 Right.

44:59 We didn't have a document.

45:00 Now we have a document.

45:01 Everybody knows the document.

45:02 This is who we are.

45:03 This is who our family is.

45:04 We've all agreed this.

45:05 This is who we are.

45:06 We're about the mission, vision and values and everybody has bought into that.

45:10 Not that they're all perfect and not that we don't make mistakes, but at least we know

45:15 our direction.

45:16 Yeah.

45:17 You didn't bring that today, did you?

45:18 No, I didn't.

45:19 Oh, come on.

45:20 We were going to put it up in the studio.

45:21 There's going to be a big thing.

45:22 Oh, bummer.

45:23 Oh, bummer.

45:24 Okay.

45:25 Anyway, but they'd already been teaching it.

45:26 Right.

45:27 But once they wrote it down, then they could, and that's the big thing we'd say for some

45:30 of these young families is you got to write it down and then do, put it up on the wall

45:33 of your home.

45:35 Use it as dinner table conversation.

45:37 I have grandkids now.

45:38 Now he's got great grandkids, but we're teaching our grandkids, hey, one of our values is adventure,

45:44 for instance.

45:45 So what does adventure look like?

45:48 And sometimes it means taking a risk, but that's the basic on how you start.

45:51 This is just straight out of scripture.

45:54 And there's so much that we can do in our families, but it seemed like for us and Bill

45:58 was the one that encouraged us to do it.

46:00 It's really good to have a document that says this is us and it really, really comes together

46:04 well that we're, we want to serve the Lord, we want to follow His directions and we want

46:09 to love people, we want to love God, we want family, all of that is part of it.

46:14 So I think it's so important for us to do that.

46:17 Yeah, I would emphasize too, by the way, I don't want to miss it, but the family giving

46:21 that they do, you don't have to be a millionaire, but you can start with 20 bucks.

46:27 And sitting around, again, my observations, watching family, a monthly family giving meeting,

46:33 that's easy.

46:34 I would say, again, just watching their family, we did this in our own family.

46:39 We started with giving meetings, but just the idea, we did a lot of random generosity

46:44 where we'd say, "Okay, hey kids, we're going to go give away 50 bucks."

46:47 And it's today, Saturday, and we're going to find somebody to give it to.

46:51 Most powerful thing that you can do, simple, easy to do.

46:54 I think what your family knows about you is what you do with your finance.

46:58 What's important to you?

46:59 I think what's important to you is what you do with whatever you have.

47:03 Whatever God has given us in terms of business is His and I think the family sees what we

47:07 do and they know what's important in our life because we give it to Him.

47:11 We give it back to Him.

47:12 Like a salary period, we make not one penny off of profits of this company and never have.

47:18 We make a salary that we should get for what we do and everybody has the same opportunity.

47:23 But I think when they see that it's important for you to what you have, it doesn't belong

47:27 to us anyway.

47:28 We're stewards.

47:29 And when they see us steward in what God has, I think it's huge, huge in their own minds

47:33 of what's important to you.

47:35 And when you give everything you have over and above your salary to God, I think it really

47:39 speaks well to the family of what is important, what is important is what you do with what

47:44 God has given you.

47:45 Oh, gosh, you're hitting on something huge talking about it.

47:49 So in a past life, I did some financial planning and insurance and stuff like that.

47:53 And we kind of had an office joke, which is completely true.

47:57 Most people would rather speak in front of a group of people about openly about their

48:02 sex lives than they would about their finances, right?

48:05 Their budget or non-existent budget, their amount of retirement or non-existent retirement,

48:09 the amount of insurance or non-existent insurance, man, people get really, really sensitive

48:15 and touchy about those types of things.

48:18 You can find out pretty quickly if someone has a poverty mindset, you know, if that could

48:22 be a generational thing of how you kind of like unpack what money looks like, you know,

48:27 because it's kind of when you hear about folks that grew up during the depression, right?

48:30 Even if they, they're still like keeping back Folger's coffee cans just in case they got

48:35 to use it to store things later.

48:37 Like it's kind of that whole mindset.

48:39 And I mean, just to throw myself under the bus, even a little bit, I'm pro all the things

48:45 we're talking about, but the Tomsons don't have a manifesto.

48:49 We don't have like our mission, vision and values.

48:51 We have some cobbled together ideals of, hey, we don't act this way.

48:55 We act this way and those types of things.

48:57 And so we'll talk a little bit afterward because I, you know, we need some help because with

49:00 the amount of people that listen to what I do, like, you know, guys will go out and buy

49:05 Origin G made in America just because I mentioned it on the show and we love that.

49:09 But like that, that thing's going to waste away, right?

49:12 malls are going to eat that up eventually, right?

49:14 Or it's going to be, you know, sold in a garage sale for, you know, one one hundredth

49:17 of what somebody paid for it.

49:19 But this amount of legacy is just so substantial.

49:22 And so like, again, I want to, like if guys wanted to do this outside of this, like, I

49:27 know you, you do some stuff like this.

49:28 And like, so how can people find that because we want to make sure that people can find

49:32 that information.

49:33 You mentioned in a book, but the ministry is called Legacy Stone and we have small group

49:36 curriculum on this where people can actually develop mission, vision, values, but I want

49:40 to come back to your point because David said this, you, you can have vision, mission

49:45 values, but you've got to have a point of application and the first and easiest point

49:49 of application is giving.

49:51 And you've heard David drive home this point, they give to where the gospel is going out.

49:57 And David, there's a couple of points on this that I want you to address because I know

50:01 you guys are working on even refining this further, but if guys listening to this program,

50:07 they just define here's the here's mission, vision values, but we're going to apply it

50:11 in our generosity.

50:12 Maybe some of these guys would say, one of the ministries we want to support are things

50:16 that support manhood because we want to raise up manhood.

50:19 Well, then it's going to support you.

50:20 Yeah, they're going to support this ministry because now you're backing it up.

50:25 Most of this giving that we do, it's not very strategic.

50:27 It's highly relational, highly impulsive, I met this guy, I met this guy, well, what

50:31 are those guidelines?

50:33 And that's what they've been doing as a family.

50:34 So you're sharpening this, so I want you to talk about that.

50:37 The couple things you're really trying to drive home now.

50:39 Yeah, I find that a lot of people want to do things because the Bible says to do it

50:44 because it's good, you know, they'll feed the hungry, okay, or give clean water.

50:49 Yes, it's good, but it's not great.

50:51 So we don't do anything like that unless we also tell people about Jesus, we want to

50:54 make sure it's just not temporary, it's not just vapor because we talk about that sometimes.

51:00 There's two, you have two lives.

51:01 You want, you have a vapor and you have an internal.

51:04 So we really want to focus on what the eternal life is and that's where we give our giving.

51:08 So we're going to give free a clean water to someone, but we're also going to tell them

51:11 about Jesus.

51:12 If Jesus is not part of it, we're not going to do that.

51:14 So you can do a lot of really, really good things that has nothing to do with people's

51:18 eternity.

51:19 And so we need to be focused on where people are going to spend eternity.

51:23 And so I think that's what the Bible says, preach the gospel to every creature.

51:27 The Bible says you must be born again.

51:29 So some of you take some of these black and white statements that's in the Bible and you

51:33 say, I'm going to start there.

51:36 In our store, we have a lot of, I have a few things that's up on a big old board and it's

51:40 two foot letters and there's only four or five things that I say.

51:42 One of them keep it simple, close counts, too many choices are harmful to business, ask

51:49 God for direction, have a plan with a few exceptions.

51:51 So a lot of things like that, when you take the Bible sometimes, you can take a few things

51:55 and you can kind of build from that.

51:57 You need the entire Bible, but for us, it's a matter that you, to preach the gospel to

52:02 every creature.

52:03 And that's what we're trying to do.

52:04 We're trying to tell people about this person of Jesus.

52:06 Now, what's more important than people are coming to know the Lord and heaven Jesus?

52:10 Now, there's a lot of different ways you can do it.

52:12 You can do it by giving them clean water.

52:14 You can give them by giving food, but you can also just preach the gospel.

52:17 There's a lot of different ways we think they're all right.

52:19 If they're biblical, they're right.

52:21 And that's what we're trying to do with our finance.

52:22 We just want to make sure that our finance doesn't go to something that's just good

52:27 and not great because there's a lot of, in fact, if you look at a lot of, we have a lot

52:31 of people coming in and we talk to them every month.

52:34 And it's amazing how many of them do things that are good, but they're not great.

52:37 They just don't matter 100 years from now or 50 years.

52:40 We want to make sure what we do matters forever and that's what we would like to focus on.

52:45 It's such a paradigm shift because, so JT English, he wrote a book and it's really

52:51 helped me.

52:52 There's a lot of people that know stories from the Bible, but they don't know the story

52:54 of the Bible.

52:55 So you can talk, you know, around the edges of David and Goliath or maybe the walls of

52:59 Jericho or something like that, but you don't really know how Nehemiah chapter three attaches

53:03 to the gospel of Jesus Christ and because you lose the thread, right?

53:07 When you're only pulling on, you know, little parts of the thread and not the entire thread,

53:11 but then also that's why, you know, we had kind of a spin off of this show.

53:14 It's called the Daily Blade.

53:16 And so because, you know, these episodes that I do or, you know, an hour, hour and a half long,

53:20 and maybe you don't have that kind of time, but, you know, my buddy, Joby Martin, pastor

53:24 of Church 1122 out of Jacksonville, Florida, we were like, Hey, for guys that like us,

53:29 right?

53:30 So kind of rougher around the edges like man's man type guys, but they want to love Jesus,

53:34 but they find it hard to get into the Bible.

53:35 They don't really understand.

53:36 Oh, I don't have time to study the Bible, so I'm just not going to read it all.

53:39 Like what are we going to do for those guys?

53:40 And so we created something called the Daily Blade and it's a Monday through Friday, five

53:45 minute podcast, and this is locker room style.

53:48 This is safety meeting in the oil field where we all back our trucks up and it's just, Hey,

53:52 five minutes and then we're going to send you off with your day.

53:54 The Daily Blade, the sort of the spirit.

53:56 That's the word of God.

53:57 It's the only offensive weapon described in that book of Ephesians, right?

54:01 And you can't wield it if you don't know it.

54:03 You can't defend yourself in the desert for 40 days as Satan is quoting scripture to you

54:08 incorrectly, if you don't know the word of God yourself.

54:12 And so that's the thing that we tell people is like, look, if you listen to my show and

54:15 you end up getting in better shape, fantastic, right?

54:18 But let's say you get some sort of debilitating physical disease that doesn't allow you to

54:22 deadlift anymore.

54:23 Well, that wasn't a great use of your time now, was it?

54:25 And so we're trying to get people like top of funnel, right?

54:29 Hey, it's just five minutes.

54:30 I listened to it.

54:31 Hey, it may give you a little bit of inspiration, but if it doesn't end with, as Spurgeon would

54:35 say, compelling them to come to the gospel, you're, you're acting foolish.

54:41 And so I think that's such a good paradigm shift for people to be like, yes, water is

54:45 good, sandwiches for the hungry is good, but is it great?

54:49 Are you giving them living water, right?

54:51 I mean, that just goes all the way back to legacy, doesn't it?

54:53 Amen.

54:54 There you go.

54:55 Well, that's so important to us as we, God has given us monies to give.

54:59 And so it's important to us as we come together once a month to make sure that we're taking

55:03 it to the other level.

55:04 And it's great.

55:05 It's just not good.

55:06 You can do a lot of good things.

55:07 So that's what we're really focused on is making sure that we're doing what God would

55:11 have us to do with what, by the way, it's not ours, we're just stewards and what He

55:14 would have us to do.

55:15 And we're really, our family is really focused on doing something that takes them to another

55:20 level in terms of, we do give people clean water and whales and things of this nature.

55:26 But we want to make sure it's part of, you can do it without telling them, there's plenty

55:30 of people that do that, but we want to make sure that when we're involved that we tell

55:33 them something that's more important than just clean water, which they need.

55:37 And so let's even talk about something that is great as opposed to good.

55:40 So Museum of the Bible.

55:41 So this is not a place I have laid eyes on yet because I've taken one trip to DC in my

55:45 life.

55:46 And it was a quick one.

55:47 It was just kind of in and out.

55:48 We got to change that.

55:49 Yeah, we're going to get you there.

55:50 Well, we'll figure that out.

55:51 You know, we've talked about, because, you know, guys, listen to this, they know about

55:53 the forging table, like we've, we've had the idea of like, Hey, what if we did like a forging

55:57 table in the museum of the Bible and we get all these pastors in.

56:00 And so we've talked around the ideas, but to my friends that have gone there, like to

56:06 a person, it's like, it's like an earth shattering experience for them.

56:10 And so it's hard for me to talk about it since I haven't haven't experienced it myself.

56:14 But I'm always curious about beginnings of things.

56:17 And so what, where did the idea come from?

56:21 Was it like, Hey, there's a little, a little bit of Bible, you know, over here in this

56:25 museum and there's a little bit of this over here at this particular place.

56:28 Where did the idea start?

56:29 Well, I think what happened is God tricked us because we had no intention of spending

56:33 that kind of money and doing the deal.

56:36 Sometimes he just tricks you.

56:37 In other words, he gives you just a few steps.

56:39 Sometimes I say God gives you a flashlight with really poor batteries, you know.

56:43 So we get one step and then another step and then another step and to the point we knew

56:46 this is what we're supposed to do.

56:48 So the first step where someone came to us and wanted to sell us some antiquities and

56:54 we bought them and someone else is going to do it.

56:56 Someone else came to us.

56:57 They were going to do it, but they had no money.

56:59 They had nothing, but we just a step by it was a step by step.

57:03 So if God had come to us and said, Oh, you're going to do what ended up doing.

57:07 And I say when I say that, I say that it was us and a lot of other people, a lot of people

57:12 contribute.

57:13 So we don't want to take credit, although God gave us the responsibility for it.

57:16 And by the way, when you do any reading about it, you'll find out we made some mistakes.

57:19 You know, when you do something as big as as we did, somehow or another, we're not smart

57:23 enough not to make a few mistakes.

57:25 We bought some things we shouldn't have bought.

57:27 We did some things.

57:28 We corrected it all, but you'll read that we made some mistakes.

57:31 Yes, we made some mistakes, but we tried to correct them and we did.

57:34 But God has given us and I think He's given it to us because we love God's Word.

57:39 We just love God's Word.

57:42 And we just think that's the answer to your family, to your business and life.

57:46 And so because of that, someone needed to put God's Word on a pedestal because we believe

57:50 that there's only two things, as I've said before, is God's Word man.

57:53 So that's it.

57:54 That's all that's eternal.

57:56 So we wanted to be part of that and God knew that we wanted to be.

57:58 And so He gave us the job of which a lot of people came alongside us and helped us.

58:03 And we were excited to be part of it.

58:06 It's so funny you mentioned the flashlight thing.

58:08 I've said that for a long time.

58:09 I'm like, everyone has at some point in their life, maybe traversed a trail or something

58:14 with a bad flashlight that was, you know, batteries are going dead or maybe a bad headlamp or

58:18 something.

58:19 And so like we want the trail to be lit up like with a floodlight, right?

58:24 And so if you've got this terrible flashlight and you're flashing it up and it's the middle

58:28 of the night, you're like, okay, I can see the trail kind of bends up to the left there.

58:31 That looks like a bush might be a bear.

58:33 We'll figure it out when we get there.

58:34 But if you point that flashlight at your feet, you can be sure of your next step, right?

58:39 You can't be sure of step thousand, right?

58:41 But you can be sure of your next step.

58:43 And that's all God gives us sometimes.

58:45 You just take one step at a time and I think that's what happened is we've had situations

58:49 where we knew that we knew that we were supposed to do something like, oh, are you?

58:53 We knew God says do it, okay?

58:55 So that wasn't the same as what we did in the museum.

59:00 It was just one step at a time.

59:01 So sometimes God gives us what we're supposed to do and sometimes He just gives us one step

59:05 at a time.

59:06 So I'm curious for both of you guys because I always like people making people pick their

59:10 favorite kids, but I'm not going to make y'all say that out loud who your favorite kid is,

59:13 but we know you have one.

59:14 But let's say the museum, right?

59:16 So the government or some China, whatever, they come in and they're like, we're taking

59:21 it all away, but we will leave you with one thing that is in this museum, right?

59:26 It can't be an entire wing.

59:29 It's literally one thing.

59:31 So all the things and we'll say that's ever been in there, right?

59:34 So maybe something's moved on to a different collection or something like that.

59:37 What's the one thing you want to keep?

59:39 That's super, super easy for me because when I go there, I see that we're involved.

59:44 My oldest son is involved with a lot of different people to get every God's word in every language.

59:49 This is Mart.

59:50 It's illumination.

59:51 It's illumination.

59:52 So shout out to illumination.

59:53 And so we have every Bible that's has been had there's rooms of ones that are being worked

1:00:01 on and ones that haven't been started.

1:00:03 There's 6,000 languages and that would be what we want to keep.

1:00:06 We want to make sure God has, we have God's word.

1:00:09 How do you preach the gospel to every creature without the gospel?

1:00:12 We have to have the gospel and they're wanting to get everybody God's word by the year 2033.

1:00:18 So they're working real hard.

1:00:20 Maybe we'll do it.

1:00:21 Maybe we won't.

1:00:22 But that is the gold.

1:00:23 And so I know that it's being speeded up from what it used to be.

1:00:25 We've already cut a hundred years off of the time.

1:00:29 It was aimed at a hundred years from now.

1:00:32 So we've cut a hundred years off.

1:00:33 But that would be the room that I would want.

1:00:35 I would want to make sure these are God's word in all these different languages that

1:00:38 we have.

1:00:39 These are the ones we're working on and these are the ones that haven't started.

1:00:42 So God's word is real important to us in that museum and you'll see every single Bible

1:00:46 in there that has been translated.

1:00:48 David, that's a little bigger than one artifact.

1:00:51 Well, yeah, I mean, we'll let you do it.

1:00:53 It's your room after all.

1:00:55 So we'll take the whole room.

1:00:57 I'm going to keep a whole floor though.

1:00:58 No, no floors.

1:00:59 All right.

1:01:00 So he doesn't have to be super specific, but you do, Bill.

1:01:01 What is one artifact and the entire place?

1:01:04 I got to go with the whole floor.

1:01:05 Okay.

1:01:06 No, no, it's okay.

1:01:07 Fine.

1:01:08 Fine.

1:01:09 We'll expand the rules.

1:01:10 That's fine.

1:01:11 I came to faith because of the story of the Bible.

1:01:13 Okay.

1:01:14 Three floors that you really drive to in that, which is the history, the story, and then

1:01:19 the impact of the Bible.

1:01:21 And so for me, it's the story of the Bible.

1:01:23 And so there's this whole experience around the Old Testament story, the New Testament story.

1:01:29 But man, I'm like you.

1:01:30 I didn't grow up in a family of faith.

1:01:32 We were backwards.

1:01:33 My dad was a hillbilly from the Ozark, a kid's three room log cabin, very dysfunctional,

1:01:38 very messed up.

1:01:39 I had no faith whatsoever.

1:01:41 I grew up much poorer than David did.

1:01:44 No, I don't think so.

1:01:45 Yeah, no, no.

1:01:46 I was way competitive for this.

1:01:47 Let's go.

1:01:48 But a family, whereas we were growing up in a town of 100 people and somebody had planted

1:01:54 a church there in this town, which why would you do that?

1:01:57 How stupid is that?

1:01:58 I mean, you know, a good Sunday, you get 20 people, right?

1:02:01 That's a real good sound.

1:02:02 Their family, they'd preach in a lot of small churches, but a neighbor down the street gave

1:02:08 us a children's Bible storybook and it's through the story of the Bible.

1:02:11 That I came to faith.

1:02:13 So that's the floor, not just one artifact I'm going to keep.

1:02:16 Okay.

1:02:17 Very good.

1:02:18 And again, I can't say from personal experience guys, but to everyone that I've ever talked

1:02:22 to that has been there.

1:02:23 If you were in the DC area, like, okay, maybe cut a day off of your Smithsonian, you know,

1:02:28 meanderings or whatever and make sure you get into the Museum of the Bible.

1:02:30 So I've been, you know, thrilled to have you guys here.

1:02:33 This has been a great conversation, but I kind of want to know what's next.

1:02:35 And I always, again, I always like making people mildly uncomfortable.

1:02:38 What's something y'all aren't telling anyone about?

1:02:40 I mean, no one's listening, maybe we can turn these mics off.

1:02:42 Is there something we're working on that's kind of like a thing, but you haven't really

1:02:46 told anybody yet?

1:02:47 Come on.

1:02:48 Come on.

1:02:49 Well, I don't know that we have something that we're not doing.

1:02:51 I think recently God has gotten, has our family involved, but he gets us.

1:02:56 So that's one of the things that we're involved with.

1:02:59 You'll see our ads there in the Super Bowl in the last two or three years.

1:03:03 And so we think that we need to try to do the best we can to change the culture.

1:03:07 And if you'll look at the culture, Barna said that in the year 2000, that 65% of the people

1:03:16 said that Jesus was important to them.

1:03:18 And about three years ago, it was 55, it went from 55 to 65.

1:03:23 And now it's 66 in the last three years.

1:03:26 So we hope that what we're doing is part of it, you know, of what is happening in the

1:03:31 United States, that the culture is changing.

1:03:33 A lot of it is in Gen Z and the younger people.

1:03:37 But we don't really care where it is.

1:03:40 We just want to know that we're trying to change the culture.

1:03:42 So that's one of the things that we're doing that is relatively new, along with other people.

1:03:47 I always want to say we're just doing this with other people and that is to try to change

1:03:51 the culture in the United States.

1:03:53 And the other thing is we're working with Dallas on the chosen.

1:03:58 And so we're working alongside him and trying to get everybody in hundreds of languages.

1:04:04 We have the ability because that's where Mark spends most of his time in getting the words

1:04:10 underneath it.

1:04:11 What do you call that?

1:04:12 Subtitled.

1:04:13 Subtitled.

1:04:14 And so we're trying to get it in at least 600 languages.

1:04:16 He gets us, not he gets us, but the chosen.

1:04:19 So those are two projects that we're involved in more recently that we're excited, just

1:04:23 telling people, it's all about telling people about Jesus.

1:04:26 Well, I just last week, I was talking to Dallas.

1:04:28 He's been on the show before, but I was just talking to him about, you know, I was giving

1:04:32 him his flowers about season five and how it ended and, you know, just the acting and

1:04:37 the storytelling, which is preposterously good.

1:04:40 And then, you know, they're obviously filming season six as we're recording this and you

1:04:44 know, he's going to come back on before season six and, you know, they're, they're having

1:04:48 trying to do like a culminating event where it's like kind of this movie experience where

1:04:51 if you haven't watched the previous five plus seasons, you can just go to the movie and you're

1:04:55 still getting the gospel and kind of the power of, of all those types of things.

1:05:00 So there's a couple of things that for my audience with, with he gets us in the chosen.

1:05:04 So some people that don't like the chosen, they're like, well, it's not, it's not biblical,

1:05:07 right?

1:05:08 Because, oh, they're, they're getting conversations with the disciples as they're walking on a

1:05:11 road and they're like, well, that's not in the Bible and those types of things.

1:05:14 And so there's that negative feedback, which I don't sort of don't buy into.

1:05:18 But on he gets us with some of the commercials and things like that, there's some fairly

1:05:22 nebulous language that isn't specifically gospel.

1:05:26 And me and a few friends, we went through the he gets us process and we were just waiting

1:05:31 for gospel to happen somewhere like, Hey, send us to a church that's going to give us

1:05:34 the gospel.

1:05:35 Send us somewhere.

1:05:36 And so you've got people that are like anti chosen because it's not, you know, they're not

1:05:40 speaking the King's James or they're not speaking ancient Galilean Aramaic, right?

1:05:44 So they're, I don't want to, I don't want to support that.

1:05:46 And then on the he gets us side, it's like at some point we've, we've got to just be explicit

1:05:51 about the gospel.

1:05:52 So what would you say to people that would respond in those ways about either of those

1:05:54 things?

1:05:55 Well, we, we, that respond to us, we tell them, we're not talking to you.

1:05:59 We're talking to the person that doesn't know Jesus.

1:06:01 Okay.

1:06:02 And that's a different way.

1:06:03 Right.

1:06:04 God Christ was pretty radical.

1:06:05 And if we're a radical, it's okay.

1:06:07 So we, we ask God to give us direction on how we do these.

1:06:11 Now there, there's some change here and there.

1:06:14 We're trying to find the right thing to do.

1:06:16 Sure.

1:06:17 But we, we want it to be radical because Jesus was radical.

1:06:19 If you really think about it, Jesus love you.

1:06:21 He died for you while you're yet centered.

1:06:22 And he was hard on the religious people, yeah, really hardest, hardest on them.

1:06:26 So what our culture got to where that we as Christians were the bad guys and we have

1:06:31 the most beautiful, most beautiful love story ever told.

1:06:35 Nobody has a beautiful, more beautiful story than we do as Christians and we want to tell

1:06:39 that story.

1:06:40 Jesus died for you.

1:06:41 He loves you.

1:06:42 And so we're taking a different approach, but the approach is we're not talking to you,

1:06:45 Christian.

1:06:46 We're talking to the center.

1:06:47 So we get a lot.

1:06:48 Some push back.

1:06:49 But I think some are beginning to get it, but we want to do what God would have us to

1:06:54 do.

1:06:55 And we really seek him to how we put these commercials together.

1:06:57 Right.

1:06:58 Well, David, Bill, we've weaved in and out of a lot of different things here, but that's

1:07:01 all for me.

1:07:02 Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?

1:07:04 Thank you for the time.

1:07:05 Absolutely.

1:07:06 Great stuff.

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