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But now we're talking to his son, who was 8 years old on the morning that he was murdered by another veteran that he was trying to assist. And so in this interview today, obviously we've had Taya on several times. That is Chris's uh widow and also Colton's mother. And she was very adamant about getting him on the show to hear his perspective. I was like, "Yeah, absolutely. We're going to make that happen." But we just talk about, you know, what it is like growing up in the Kyle family, having Taya as mom and and Chris as dad, and got some insight into the memories that he was able to forge from those times. And also just talking about how memory can be a little bit of a funny thing, you know, and you're looking back at things in childhood and you think it happened one way, and then you talk to another family member and they're like, "No, it actually happened like this." And then we go back to that morning. We go back to the day that his father was murdered, what that was like when he found out about the murder, how he was able to react to that. Again, being 8 years old, how is he able to grieve while at the same time he's growing older and then he's becoming a young man and into manhood and, you know, what it's like being raised by just your mom and then you're also an older brother and you have this desire and longing for your father and, you know, who's going to be that male role model or that group of male role models in your life and so I just loved how he really got into all the detail there. And then also we talked about the man that murdered his father. We talked about whether or not he agrees with the sentence that that man was given. If he was able to get a sit-down conversation with him, would he take it? And if so, what he would he say? Has he forgiven this man? And then also through point of this entire conversation, even though we didn't really just, you know, hit it explicitly, is Colton's faith. Obviously, Taya and Chris were people of faith. They raised up Colton and his sister McKenna to be Christians and to be people of faith. But it's his Christian faith that is really undergirding and the scaffolding for most of the things that he believes today. And so we talk about all that. We talk about what he's doing now with the American Sniper brand. We talk about what the family thought about the American Sniper movie. We also got into, "Hey, there's a lot of rumors that have come out now that, you know, Chris Kyle's this prominent military figure. A lot of people claiming that he didn't do the things that he said he did. A lot of people thinking that a lot of things from his military career has been fabricated." And so how the family deals with that. And again, guys, it was just a tremendous pleasure to talk to him. This man is wise beyond his years and I was thrilled to have him on the show. So without further ado, let's get into it. Colton Kyle, welcome to Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited about this. Well, I'm very happy to talk to you all in front of everybody now because I've talked to about you with your mama. And so your mom Taya has been on the show several times, so my audience is very well aware of her and her work and things like that. And she was laughed The last time we talked, she's like, "You just got to have Colton on." And I was like, "Don't tell me what to do, Taya." And then I ended up doing it immediately. So that's how that works. But let's start there just with your upbringing. Obviously, what was it like growing up as a Kyle with Chris and Taya being mom and dad? Yeah, well, a huge blessing, one. Um I I'm I'm going to do speaking engagements here. I'm going to leave I'm going to do two this weekend and I'm going to leave in a couple of days and immediately when I step on stage or when I'm introduced to somebody, now they may see me as a 20-year-old 21-year-old kid, I've been the man of the house for a long time and so I don't see myself necessarily as a 21-year-old kid, um but more as a young man with a lot of life experience, but other people don't necessarily see me that way until they hear that I'm a Kyle. They say, "Oh." Somebody else says, "Oh, this was Chris Kyle's son." Or "Oh, he's here with his mom Taya Kyle speaking." Whatever it may be and then all of a sudden I have the entire attention of the entire room Mhm. uh for at least, let's say, 90 seconds. I mean, I remember going to a close family friend of mine's wedding and uh the father of the bride, friends with the whole family, the father of the bride wanted to introduce me to his father. So, he's sitting down, he walks me over and he says, "Hey Dad, I'd like you to meet somebody. This is Colton. Um this is Colton Kyle." He says, "Oh, okay, you know, nice to meet you." Kind of grumpy, he kind of waves me off. And then he says, "Dad, this is Colton Kyle or this is Chris Kyle's son." And then he all of a sudden he turns around and he gets up and he's super excited. He's like, "It's such an honor to meet you. I'm so excited to meet you." Um so, it's it's very interesting. It's two sides of a coin. I mean, one like I said, it's a huge blessing to be raised as a Kyle member um of the family and to have the legacy that I get to step into. Another thing is when people don't know and then all of a sudden they do know, people change their tone really quickly or their tune really quickly. And that's interesting to see and uh a little bit disappointing um with with some of those people and I also understand how I'm sure I do that at times with others as well. So, two sides of the same coin, but ultimately just very blessed. Well, I'm going to go back and talk talk more about your childhood, but I actually was going to ask you about that as well because there's obviously a shadow that a dad casts and that's for every father whether your father was amazing or whether he was absent, whether you never met him, there's always a shadow that's cast and especially if your father is known renowned for anything whether it's military achievements, athletic achievements, business achievements, you're always going to be compared to dad. And it's like, you know, think of the pressure Michael Jordan's son had to feel when he stepped on the court to play basketball. It's like, my goodness, my my dad was the best ever to do this and now I'm just another one with that last name. And, you know, for you I'm just wondering what that's like because you are an individual person made in the image of God. You are Colton Kyle, but the shadow of your father is so vast and so wide and there's so many people that love and respect your father that never met him. And so I'm sure that has to have some at least cause a little bit of consternation for you Colton to where it's like, "Hey, I'm I'm Colton Kyle. Like, I'm not Chris Kyle's son." But at the same time it's it's not necessarily a negative, but it does provide you some some potential options where it could be hard to maybe operate in certain situations. No? Yes, it certainly can be challenging. Um, I remember there's one time growing up and I was probably six or seven-ish and my dad was a huge huge Cowboys fan, like die-hard Cowboys fan. And we're sitting in the living room and we're watching we're about to watch the Cowboys-Eagles game. Now, if you know about the Cowboys fan base or the Eagles fan base, they are nearly mortal rivals. The Cowboys have a lot of enemies and rivals, but the Eagles, especially for my dad, was this is one of those teams that it was a moral position. You could not like them, you could not stand them, they were evil. That was it. So, we're sitting there watching the game and he tells me beforehand, he says, "Bubba, you can root for whoever you want. Whatever team you want to be your team. Yeah, I know where this is going. >> Yep. And cuz I want you to be your own man was the important thing in that. Uh now you know I like the Cowboys. Let's watch this game. Okay, so we're watching and I'm like, well, I know he likes the Cowboys and he just told me I can do whatever I like. So, being a a rebellious kid, I said, "I'm going to root for the Eagles." So, every time that first half that the Eagles did something good or the Cowboys screwed up, I was their biggest cheeler cheerleader. Out loud, it was a big deal. And come about half time, the Cowboys are losing and my dad has been real quiet the whole game. And he walks into the liv- he walks out of the living room, he walks into the kitchen, he kind of shakes his head, and he comes back in and he says, "Bubba, root for whoever you want, but do it in your head." So, um he was he was on board. He was like, "Be your own man." That was really important to him and I'm grateful for that because I don't feel the need to do something like go into the service and be a sniper or try and fill shoes that aren't mine because of that upbringing. And at the same time, I recognize have respect for the household that you're in and the family that you have and don't be cheering for the Eagles in a Cowboys household. So, it's interesting. It can be challenging with other people, for sure. Um a lot of people think they know what's best for me or for my life and a lot of them have good intentions and they say, you know, you should really do this thing or uh this is the right way for you to go with your life and because I've had the blessing of growing up with him for eight years, knowing he would want me to be my own man, um and my mom reinforcing that idea time and time again, be your own man, respect where you came from, honor the legacy, but be your own man. I don't I don't give it too much weight when other people are saying things that I know just aren't right for me. Well, I'll say this. I'm not going to be nearly as jovial as your dad cuz I'm raising Cardinals fans in this household. And so if they say anything positive about the Chicago Cubs, they are anathema, okay? They will be cast out into the cold and I will not think about them ever again. So, slightly different approaches to that thing. But when it [clears throat] comes to to you obviously you were fairly young you know when your father was murdered and you know it's the memory can be a kind of a fickle weird thing. Like you'll remember something from your childhood. Like I remember recently I was talking to my mom about something from childhood recollection I thought was clear and she's like sweetheart, no that's not how it happened. It happened like this and all of that. And so I'm just curious for you when you look back on what it was like, you know, to to be his son and you know, you obviously just gave an example there of you know, the Cowboys and Eagles interaction and things like that. Like are there certain core memories that you're like, hey, here are the ones that I really really cling to. Here are the ones that hey, mom has confirmed yes, I'm remembering this correctly or is it a little bit more muddled? I'm just curious. It's a little bit of both. So, there's some very few that I remember very distinctly. Um I like to say that the average middle of my memory is kind of seared off. So, it's the high highs and the low lows that are really remembered and there've been a lot of really high highs and unique moments for me and a lot of really low lows. And the things where it's like those family memories where you're just kind of sitting around the dinner table enjoying a very average dinner, having a very average conversation that a lot of people would would remember for a very long time. I don't necessarily have that. So, it's a blessing to have my mom who can reinforce things when I go to her and I say, hey, you know, my I kind of remember this thing in this situation. Am I remembering that correctly? Is that how it went down? And she was like, "Yes, it was a little bit different in this way, but you know, you get it." And part of what's really important and integral to one of my talks I'm going to be giving this weekend is the deposits that my father made, that many other people made, and especially my father while he was alive. Mhm. And what that did for me was not that I always had all these instances and memories of okay, this is how he did this, so this is how I'm going to do it moving forward. But I just know instinctively how he would feel about something, what decision he would make at a time. Um how he would feel about me when I'm carrying on the legacy and and doing my own thing. I just know those things because of the way that he lived his life and it was a lot of things probably I didn't pick up on at the time that he didn't expect me to pick up on on at the time. So it's things like that. Um there are certain memories like like the cowboy story. Um whenever he would get off of work, uh this is after he was out of the teams and he had started a company called Craft. He was working in Dallas. It was a it was a couple of things. It was risk management. It was um trying to protect public schools and training, uh training officers, SROs, things like that. Um so it was it was still coming to be what it the great thing that it could have been uh when he was taken from it, but he would come home and every day we'd hear his truck. It was he had this huge F350, black, lifted, diesel, black custom grill. Um giant mud tires. I mean, the thing was a beast. And so we'd hear it, you know, multiple blocks coming down the street. And he would pull up to the garage. Garage would roll up and he'd walk inside. Of course, it couldn't fit in the garage, so he parked outside. And uh he would walk inside from the driveway into the back hallway like past the mudroom. And as soon as we'd hear him get in, we'd go sprinting down that long hallway and and he'd pick us up and he'd be ready to hug us and laugh and have a great time and then right after he would he would go and hug and kiss his wife, our mother, so um it's things like that that I do have specific memories of that are a huge blessing because that was one of those times that was um one of the few times that I remember where it was average, like that was routine. Is he would come home and he'd pick us up and we were just elated to see him and he seemed elated to see us. Um so it's things like that and then at random times I'll have a flashback and be like, "Whoa, did I just remember that?" So things like I don't play baseball anymore, but he was a huge baseball fan. So I remember certain times playing uh T-ball or uh other times playing soccer and and all of a sudden I'll just get this flash and a memory whenever I'm doing something almost completely unrelated. Uh so it's things like that. >> [gasps] >> Well, and you mentioned Colton in the high highs and the low lows and there's no real good way to segue into it, but obviously a huge part of your story and your family's story is February 2nd of 2013 uh when your father and his good buddy Chad Littlefield were murdered by Eddie Ray Routh. And so this was a Marine who had some issues with post-traumatic stress and obviously some you know, other issues and certainly we enter into the spiritual realm uh some demons and you know, uh they led him to do something absolutely awful. And you were 8 years old at the time and I know you've talked about this a lot I but I'm not lost on the fact that it can't that it can [clears throat] never get easier I guess really to speak on that. And so if we go back to that day, I just wanted to tee you up to talk about, you know, as 8-year-old Colton, you know, how was that situation handled? How was the news broken to you? Obviously you had a younger sister at the time as well, I think a a year or two younger than you. And so, let's just go back uh to that day. Yeah, for sure. Um to start with >> [clears throat] >> the Marine that killed him he claimed this and uh the defense tried to claim this as well, that he had PTSD or some kind of PTS. And in fact, he was examined um by both the prosecution and the defense and found that he had no signs of PTSD. [clears throat] Thank you for that correction. So, what What was it if you don't mind even on that specific thing was there any determination, which again, trying to determine how the human brain functions and works and what what it causes people to do in terms of decision-making, man, that is that's like trying to grab a fistful of water, but was there any determination about uh about him or Yeah, it's super interesting um because we don't I certainly don't know what the exact motivation was. I think he gave up to five different reasons for for why he killed him. One was because they got him Waterburger on the way to the range and he didn't want Waterburger. Another was because he just wanted his truck. Um there I mean, there were multiple others. It's just the weirdest thing. So, I definitely believe that there are spiritual forces at play there. For sure. >> Um I I also know about him, he had never seen combat. Um I think I don't I think he may have gone on one deployment. Again, no combat seen. Um and then he he was raised extremely entitled. I mean, him him and his mom would smoke weed together on their back porch. And it's just it's just a super weird circumstance that a lot of pieces to me still don't make sense because that's a very drastic measure to take. Um and as far as I know, he wasn't on any hard drugs at the time, so Yeah. It seems weird is the short of it, and I don't know exactly what was going on, but I do, like you mentioned, I do agree that there are certainly spiritual forces at play. And to go to um that day for us, my uh I had a basketball game that day at uh our local church is where is they had a section for basketball courts, and that's where we were playing. And um my mom and dad were there, and my dad ended up leaving early cuz he wanted to get back to the house to get the guns together to take the guy out to the range. And uh my mom stayed there and watched the game with us and then that I was playing and then we came back home and they bumped into each other. And they were looking for each other and um he they they're like, "Okay, we're both about to leave." They didn't know the other one was about to leave, and so they're both trying to find each other, and they literally run into each other uh in the hallway looking for the other person. They said, "I was just looking for you." "Oh, me, too." "Okay, well, I I'm going to run. I've got to go." "Same here." "I love you." "I love you, too." And uh a a beautiful thing is those were the last words that they ended up saying to each other was, "I love you." and "I love you, too." And then uh my younger sister and I, she's a year and a half younger than me, uh so about eight and six, we were we were getting ready uh in our rooms, and uh we were we had she was going to go with her friend [snorts] to the mall. I was going to go with my friend for something else for the day. I I don't really remember the details. Um and then Dad was off, and Mom was taking us to do our things. And we ended up staying the night with a friend of my mom's. She called her. Uh she knew that something was up. This was much later in the day, and she said, "Hey, I need you to I need you to let the kids stay at your house tonight." This woman that she called was 8 and 1/2 months pregnant. She already had four other kids. And she said, "Oh, okay. Uh what's going on?" And she said, "I I really just need you to do this." And so, she said, "All right, I'm on my way." So, she's 8 and 1/2 months pregnant, has four other kids, and she just drives straight to our house because she heard there was something in my mom's voice that was off. Um and she didn't know what it was. So, she ended up taking us and um great irony is that we had an amazing day at that friend's house. Um I we we played all day at their house, and then the next morning we'd gotten donuts, and we got to hang out some more, and we were coming back. Um and at some point somebody else ended up telling me this, but at some point during that day I had said, "This is the best day ever." So, we go from that to coming home the next morning. The night before my mom was told by the police she had multiple people at the house. Um we come home the next morning. We get out of the car onto the front lawn, and my mom meets us on the front lawn. And she sits down uh on the grass with us on her knees, and so we sit down with her. And she said, um "Daddy's been hurt." And McKenna, forever an optimist, looks at her, and she says, she's thinking in her mind, which she doesn't vocalize until later, she's thinking, "What could be the worst thing that could happen? And if it's not the worst, then everything's okay." And she says, "Is he dead?" And then my mom says, "Yes." And then we just we break down Um um My mom still remembers the uh sound that Makenna made at the time um when she let out like a heartbroken wail. Um And and from that moment on it seems like time is super blurry for all of us. Um an an immense number of people in the house both uh good and um at times not so good. We had many friends that uh drove just to stay at our house. They heard the news and they just drove multiple hours just to come stay and be with us with only the clothes on their backs. Um we had friends and neighbors that ended up doing laundry for us not telling us anything but we'd go thinking we're out of clothes and then we have clothes there. Um we had family members, people that cared deeply for us. Um So that was a blessing. That's part of those deposits. It's the relationships that were made leading up to that so that they didn't have to try and be formed or called on at the time that they were needed. They were already there. Um so in in in a very twisted and ironic way that day for Makenna and I was was really good. We really enjoyed it and we had blissful ignorance and then it was the next morning uh for us when everything came crashing down. So Cole, and I appreciate you you going into all that detail. I know it can be I mean gosh, it's hard to hear much less uh thinking about how hard it is for you to say. But you you mentioned something about some people coming to the house that were not so good. Uh what what did you mean by that? Yeah so as I'm sure you're well aware, um there have to be the reason why we have sheep dogs, the reason why we have protectors is because there wolves and coyotes out there. Yeah. And uh And so the the vultures were there and and they they smelled the blood and uh they noticed the vulnerability. So, there there was one that was supposed to be a security guard for my mom and um she asked him to pick something up from the store. He ended up stealing the details from her credit card and um and spending a bunch of money on himself later. Uh there were um I don't want to get into it too much because I'm not one to um talk poorly about someone behind their back. Uh but family members that in their own grief became very self-absorbed and hateful. So much so that we couldn't be around them because of the things that they would say about just how hateful they were. And and and a complete lack of understanding of our own grief. So, we're all grieving the same person that was that played a different role in each of our lives and somehow somehow to them it became they were the priority and if we felt bad and we weren't comforting them, then [clears throat] we were doing something wrong. So, it was people like that. Um it was business partners of my dad's that came in and he had just begun to realize weeks weeks before he died that uh something was fishy, something fishy's going on at the at the company. And he was too humble and too trusting to um really investigate it deeply at the start of it. And so he's just waking up to some of these things and then they end up showing up at the house saying, "Hey, we need we need to see his computer. Um he's got some things on there that shouldn't be seen." Which is a lie. Um and the only reason they shouldn't be seen is because they would be incriminating towards what they were doing with the company. 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But in this country, we don't seemingly have the stomach for the death penalty anymore for capital punishment even in a state like Texas. And even if someone does get the death penalty, as we saw even recently with that FedEx driver that kidnapped and, you know, molested and murdered that little 7-year-old girl, he'll be on death row potentially for decades, right? On the taxpayers' dime being kept alive with three square meals a day, you know, assuming that the other inmates don't get to him before his execution date. And then even then, he may have his sentence commuted at the 11th hour and then here he is serving life in prison as as it goes. But I'm just curious for you even as an individual or maybe isn't even just as a representative of the the Kyle family for your mother and your sister. Was there satisfaction that justice had been served when the sentence was handed down? Do you feel like you were cheated in a way because really the only people's opinions in this matter are y'alls or that matters are y'alls, but what do you feel about in terms of justice and Eddie Eddie Ray Routh? Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> The biggest thing for us is the assurance from our faith that there will be justice no matter what. Um vengeance is the Lord's and he appoints people to apply justice. Um and but he doesn't appoint people to take vengeance. So I don't think the capital punishment is necessarily vengeance, but I do think it can be justice. And and and finding someone I think is what's really difficult is trying to take matters into our own hands and ending up doing it in a way that's not godly. And that can be dangerous. Um I know I know it was a a big struggle for my mom obviously shortly after he's killed all of this emotion uh feeling like she wanted him to be released to general general population. So that exactly like what you said the other inmates would get to him. He wouldn't we wouldn't be concerned with him living his life [clears throat] out in prison because they would probably take care of that. Um I don't I don't know if there is necessarily a right thing for this. I think um in my faith in my worldview that um capital punishment is definitely a viable option at times. I don't know enough to say when that that is the case. But I do believe I do believe that uh it that it's an option. It's interesting when we get to a secular worldview. Um from a secular worldview, I don't see any reason that there shouldn't be capital punishment. If anything, I think that a faith worldview allows for more grace and and patience. But if we're looking at it from we have to pay to keep these prisoners alive, we have to pay people to uh protect them so that they can stay alive and not get killed by the other inmates. We have to pay for the prisons. We have to I mean, all this stuff. Um and from a secular worldview, I don't I also don't see this is a very very much an argument for faith. I also don't see how you have morals. How you even get to have a uh moral worldview. So, um I apologize. I don't think I'm answering it very directly, but I do think when when we're talking about pro-life and then pro-capital punishment, we're talking about innocence. So, where's the guilt? And uh how how drastic is that guilt? And I think it's certainly permissible for there to be capital punishment. Um I think ultimately, we don't we don't try and dwell on has justice been served here on this earth with Eddie. Instead, my family, we try and dwell on justice will be served eternally by a just righteous God that can make no mistakes. And if he repents and if he is saved, if he puts his faith in Christ, then his salvation is just. And I believe that. I don't I doubt that would be the case and and in the way that reality plays out. Um but I can't say that I wish against it. Um because I know that ultimately God will be glorified. And that is exactly why Christ came is for the people who have done the worst of the worst, like Saul, who can be redeemed even still. Um, so that's that's where we put our focus and um, and I I apologize like I don't know enough to take a a hard stance on when the capital punishment is necessary. No, I think your your stance is fine because it's it can be muddled in a lot of ways, especially for those who are feeling individually, you know, anecdotally, their their own situation. But that's the scandal of the gospel that you just laid out there that there are people like your father's murderer that if come to faith in Christ, they I mean, again, I forget who said, I would love to be able to give them credit, but you brought up Saul. There are going to be people or there were people whenever Paul was, you know, whenever he passed away and, you know, ascended to to heaven, there were people that he murdered that were on his welcome committee to heaven, right? That's the scandal of the gospel. And going back to the You mean, yeah, if we're just highly evolved chimps, right, which some people believe, there's no such thing as justice. And you know, someone who's an ardent atheist, they can't explain [clears throat] to you why Christians should be put on trial for, you know, nefarious actions and not a lion. Like, why do we not try to arrest a lion for picking off a, you know, baby zebra? Like, what what you know, what is the difference between them and us? Um, and again, the Christian worldview gives us a morality that we can appeal to. But yeah, there from the secular perspective, I think part of it, Colton, comes down to it's really the secular movement that looks at imprisonment as an opportunity for rehabilitation as opposed to punishment or protecting the sheep that is the the greater community and society from a wolf, right? And so, the thing about it is is it can't be both. It can't be a rehab facility and a punishment facility. It can't be, you know, a place where we're just going to give someone a new start and we're going to be able to protect the populace, right? Because then you have judges and parole boards that are letting people out because they behaved for a few years in a row and then unfortunately they come out and they continue to prey on on helpless sheep. But, you know, on all this that that comes together obviously with you bringing in the gospel here is this idea of forgiveness and so I'm just curious for you, Colden, have you forgiven Eddie? Yes. And there's an important distinction I think that a lot of people miss with forgiveness is it doesn't a lot like love emotions aren't necessary for forgiveness. Um it what it is is the acknowledgement of exactly what we're talking about is that Christ can still redeem him and that I don't need to take vengeance myself. And with the governance and the systems that are in place and the people doing godly work, I can trust them to deal out the best form of justice that we have here um and let that be enough for me because if my emotions were to get in the way then I would desire vengeance. I would desire a a cruel death. But that would not allow for the opportunity for him to repent and and be saved by Jesus. Um So the short answer is yes, but forgiveness doesn't mean I want him in my life. It doesn't mean I want to see him. And it can be confused when we're talking about smaller, let's say, familial squabbles. Yeah. Is Okay, for example, the family that I mentioned that we had to set boundaries with, do I forgive them? Absolutely, I do. And it is easier to forgive them than it is to forgive Eddie. But I still have boundaries in place. I still have to say, "You're not allowed to continue abusing me in this way." And so for a a prisoner I'm thinking I'm thinking back to as we were just talking about when is the capital punishment applicable? When is it necessary? Things of that nature. Uh there were there were a couple different thoughts I had on that. One, in a secular worldview, we have in the US a retributive punishment system or a retributive justice system, which is punishment. You do something wrong, you get punished. In many other parts of the world, they have an attributive justice system. So if somebody has been wronged, then we help the person who has been wronged and we attribute back to them what has been taken from them. Yeah, restitution. Yeah. Restitution, thank you. That's what I was looking for. And so that's a very that seems to me to be a very Christian worldview. And yet at the at the extremes where we have um potentially premeditated murder of an innocent person, then we don't want to be um uh uh uh uh What is the word we just used for punishment? Uh well, we would justice and uh yeah, uh retribution. Yes, then we don't want to be retributive and apply retribution towards that person. And and that's that's super interesting to me is this dichotomy as we approach extremes. And I think for many people that is the easy thing to do. And the hard thing to do is to be consistent with your worldview all throughout. And when we see in the Bible that it says um that children uh what is I don't remember exactly the verse but for a disciplined godly child use the rod. Essentially, punishment is necessary for them to learn because if there's no punishment, they're not going to learn truly what right and wrong is. And yet again, we don't apply that concept with capital punishment at the highest level. So, there there are certainly some things that need to be changed, and we should work to have those changed. Um but it is interesting. Um I'm jumping around a little bit. Back to boundaries. A lot of people say, "Well, Jesus said to turn the other cheek." And the historical understanding of turning the other cheek is Jesus was being slapped uh backhanded. Correct. Which is extremely demeaning and condescending. And it's saying you're less than me, you're a slave. And Jesus says, "Turn to them the other cheek." I don't remember if it's left or right, but in the context that he's saying it, he's saying, "Turn the other cheek because that forces them to slap you open-handed to treat you as an equal." And so, he's not saying let people get away with the bad that they do to you. And it's it's we have to hold them in both hands. Don't let them uh abuse you and don't take vengeance. So, we have to set proper boundaries, trust that God will ultimately bring ultimate justice, and we have to take what is in our power to stop this hurt, but not necessarily to be to apply retribution for ourselves. I think an easy way to think about it is apply retribution on behalf of others, and that seems to me to be much more just, and there's still nuances in that, but I think that's an initial compass for applying justice. What's important for people to understand, contextually speaking, about turn the other cheek, most of the humanity is right-handed, and so in order for me to smack you on your right cheek, I have to use my right hand, which is the back of it, right? And so contextually speaking, we're talking about verbal slights. Jesus was not talking about if someone comes up to you on the sidewalk and starts pummeling you, that for the sake of Christ you're just supposed to ball up and wait for the the violence to end. And the same could be extrapolated out that if you are witnessing somebody walk up and start pummeling someone on the street, this idea that you should run up to them and say, "Sir, sir, sir, you shouldn't be doing that. Would you like to have a Bible study? Would you like to pray for that? Here, actually, I'm going to call my prayer warrior partners, and we're going to pray for you right now while you're assaulting this person." No, you are called to protect that image bearer of God, and again, obviously, you know, everyone understands the sheepdog concept, at least in this audience. And you know, I want to move move on from from Eddie cuz I I don't want to belabor it any further, but if [snorts] you were given the opportunity to sit down with him face-to-face, would you take it, and if so, what would you say to him? Um that's a good question. It would take a lot of contemplation um to answer that. And I would I'd probably say no. That's my first instinct is I don't want uh I don't want to have anything to do with him. Uh good or bad. And I think from the conversations that I've had with the rest of my family, that would be a consistent answer with them as well. Um if it were if it were a very serious offer, then it would it would take a lot of contemplation for myself, and the answer may not end up being different, but my instinct is to say no. Fair enough. So, I am curious for you, You you lose your father at 8. There's always the the rush of help in the immediate aftermath of something. When my cousin was police officer and killed in the line of duty, I remember thinking almost immediately, I've got to get there now. Right? To and I brought a baseball glove and a ball to you know, throw the ball with with you know, my my you know, his his kids and you know, just try and try to distract them. But then I remember thinking, it's not about what happens in the first few days or in the first few months. It's about 6 months from now, a year from now. Right? Are people still helping, making sure, checking in, just doing things without having to be asked or told to do so? And I'm just curious for you, what you witnessed in Taya because obviously Taya and I have had quite a few conversations, a lot of them just in the context of this podcast. And you know, there's a lot of attention that's put on a widow for how they react. I mean, prominently right now we have, you know, Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow. No matter what she does, she's obviously more public than than your mother is. No matter what she does, it's criticized. If she's crying, it's performative. If she's not crying, it's oh, she's not sad about her husband dying. I bet she was part of it. And and so a widow is under a different type of focus from people that want their betterment and their recovery and then people that want to watch them fall completely to pieces. And so from your perspective, here you are 9, 10, 12, now you're a teenager, watching your mother as she's operating, trying to be mom and dad and the representative of the of the Kyle family and and what kind of impact that had on you. >> [snorts] [clears throat] >> Yeah. Um I know she did she definitely my mother faced criticism for the way that she grieved. I mean, I think at some point we all we all have the right to question someone else's grief, at least to ourselves. We We the right to question many other things about many other people as we should. We should be measuring what we can see from other people. Turning that outwards and applying that to the person in grief is another thing. And I know my mom faced her fair share of that. Um watching her grieve, I think led to the persistence of some of my coping mechanisms, which can be distraction, envelop myself in some other sense of competition, where I just forget the rest of my world and and I'm focused and honed in so- solely on one thing. Um stimulation. So, there's watching TV when I should be going to bed or I'm getting ready in the morning and I want to be listening to music and I always want to be doing something and sitting still is is extremely hard. Um And and that came from watching her having so much on her plate with speaking engagements, with Patriot Tour, a book, um raising kids and the list goes on and on. I mean, she wanted to she was thinking even in that time about McKenna and myself. Wanting to do anything with American Sniper as a brand. And so she knew she had to do some sort of business with that IP so that she could keep it for the purpose of us using it if we ever desired to. This is all going through her head the same time as she's processing all of it. So with So I think it's very understandable that we got used to being caught up in distraction and having something to do. And I also recognize how that can be harmful for us and for others experiencing the same thing with coping mechanisms. Um and coping mechanisms are good for a time. Just like you said, you wanted to bring a baseball club and and a baseball to distract those kids. That's good for a time. We we It's a struggle. It's always going to be a struggle to find that balance, but we also need to have time to grieve and we have to have time to move on. And it's going to be cyclical. That's how I see it. Is we're going to grieve and then we're going to heal and we're going to get better. But like you said at the very beginning of this podcast, you never truly get over something like this. So you have to live in grief. So then you go back to spending time to process what you're going through now. How does your grief apply to that? And then you have to come out of that and say, "Okay, I have to live and I have to heal and I have to move forward." And it goes on and on in that cycle and it's never the same. It's always a little bit different. And there's this hole in your heart. And you don't You never find something that fills that hole. You just find different ways to move around that hole in your heart. And so you can operate very functionally and um you you can continue on, but we live in a broken world and there will be a day when this world will be completely made new and so will we uh and and be with Christ. And at that time there will no longer be a hole in our heart. But until that time, it's kind of like kintsugi, if you're familiar with that. It's a Japanese It's a Japanese trade where or or craft, I should say, where they repair broken um utilities. So >> Pots. Oh, was that Yeah, that's right. >> um silverware, whatever it is. They repair it with um this It's It's It's like a clay and then they use a a gold glaze over it. So it ends up becoming this very beautiful display of art and at the same time it's very functional. But they do that to show this is like us as we become broken, but if we put ourselves back together, it can really be beautiful. And we recognize those cracks are still there. We're still broken and they're still going to be vulnerable. They're not going to be whole just like they once were. And that's how we are up until the day when Christ returns. Um so the grief goes on and so you have to continue to manage those coping [clears throat] mechanisms and for the public peace where other people are watching it I encourage I encourage watching and uh considering motivations for certain things, especially in the public eye. I'm I'm not going to get on here and say all the things that I'm unhappy about with myself or my own life because I don't I don't want that to be my public image. And I think that goes for anybody. It goes for us in our lives as person-to-person interactions happen the more eyeballs that are on us, the more guarded that we're going to be, the more that we want to show up and perform. And in a lot of ways it's good. And in some ways it leads to us comparing and and so on and so forth. So I think we should be measuring other people's motivations. Um but in our questions, we should not be necessarily critiquing a person themselves or saying that they are like you said grieving in the wrong way or that they are not grieving at all. Um but just because we are in grief, it does not give us a pass to do whatever we want. So it's a delicate matter. One part of the issue as well, Colden, is because of the timing of when this happened, uh you talked about the brokenness in this world. Uh one of the biggest ways that we see the brokenness is in fatherlessness. And so, we have a lot of men that are okay with siring children, but don't want to father them. And you know, they walk out on their families. We have men that make bad decisions, end up in prison. Then we have men that are taken from us and they're taken from you for for no fault of your own. But now here you are, you're you're entering a period of life where having a father becomes essential and he's not there. Right? And you know, again, everybody every widow grieves differently, but your mom didn't get remarried, so there wasn't that, you know, in-home male presence that was, you know, kind of like pseudo dad. And I don't mean that to be demeaning to any stepfather out there. It's just but but that's just the reality. There's a difference between biological father and any other kind of father. And so, for you, you know, you see these people, you know, they're doing these rites of passage for their sons that start at 12 or 13. And and here you are, you're trying to figure out grief, manhood, there's a faith journey in there and I'm not sure how that timeline aligns. You might give us some some insight on that. You're you're learning how to be a big brother. You're learning how to be a sheepdog in your way. You're learning how to be the man of the house when, you know, you're maybe still single digits in age. And then even when you get into double digits, you're still trying to figure everything out. You got hormones, you got interests, you got things you're bad at, things you're good at. And all the while, you just want your dad back. And so, for you, there are men in this audience, it's a 95% male audience, Colten. There are men that don't have a father. There are men that are suffering a father wound that are two or three times your age. And it's like you said, you never get over it, you just learn how to live with it. A lot of men aren't living with it very well, but I'm just curious for you what that was like as you were growing up, as you were turning into a man, how you were able to do that without the presence of your dad. I've noticed in my life that the the thing that has been the biggest blessing from God in healing through this grief is community. Something that at at times I really struggled to acknowledge the value in so much so that I'm willing to make sacrifices to prioritize this community. But being 8 years old and from 8 years old on having a community with men who stepped in to we might say fill the gap was absolutely instrumental. I I'm certain that it is the reason I'm here today. A lot of that was encouraged by my mother. Was he need she recognized the value of having men in the household and good men at that. Strong sheep dogs. So there are a few men that I'd like to call out by name. There have been more than this, but these guys were really really uh central to guiding me. One of those is a sheriff here in uh Tarrant County. I'm in Fort Worth. He was a friend of my dad's before he was killed and he became a very close friend of our family thereafter. His name is Bill Waybourn. He's a sheriff of Tarrant County, Bill Waybourn. Um then there is uh someone who was essentially already an uncle to me, a brother to my dad, which was Marcus Luttrell. And then there's a third one who was loosely friends with my mom and dad through our uh public school community, but I was really close with his son. Uh his name is Brian Craft and Brian's son Austin was the best man at my wedding. So these men continued just like you said, 6 months later, a year later, years later, even today, continued showing up for me. Um I love this quote that Bill Waybourn used is they couldn't fill his shoes. Bill couldn't fill his shoes. Brian, Marcus, they couldn't fill his shoes. All they could do was bring their own. And so they weren't trying to be my dad. They were trying to be themselves in nearness to me. And so in doing that, I recognized the ways and I was thinking about, man, I wish I had my dad cuz I know he would do some of these things differently. I would be able to relate to him in a different way and be more honest and open with him and close to him. And I got to see all the ways in which those men did things really well. Some ways that they did things differently, but still ways that they were succeeding. I got to see ways that they'd fallen short and ways that I could address that in my own life starting young. So having godly, good men in my life that were just trying to be themselves and be a friend and a father figure, a role model to me that was so that was so important. And now today, as I'm 21, I'm married, I'm in my own place. I'm in a different city than than where I grew up with my mom. It's I'm still figuring this out, but what I have to do, what I recognize is so important is sacrifice the time and the energy to put myself back in positions where I can continue to be mentored by them, where I can continue to have fellowship and relationship with those men because it doesn't become less important. I I tend to think it does sometimes that I'm getting older, now that I'm married and on my own, I should have this more figured out myself. But as I'm sure you know well, the challenges keep coming. There are new challenges all the time and many of those other people have already faced. And so, I have to be diligent in keeping that community and that fellowship with those men, and maybe even new men, um but keeping the the same close ties that I already have, and leaning on them when I need guidance. I think that's a great answer. And I mean, this goes back to something you said very early on about the deposits your dad made in your life. Man, I use that exact same language when I talk about the importance of men having a fox, whatever you want to call it, foxhole, band of brothers, mat carriers, king's table. I've heard a different a thousand different iterations. But there's a lot of men that when whatever befalls them, right? They get fired, uh you know, they get a bad diagnosis from the doctor, they uh experience some sort of familial issue, a prodigal kid, an affair, whatever, they don't have men in their life that they've made deposits in their lives. So, when it's time to take a withdrawal, there's nothing to withdraw from. And you know how my pastor buddy Joby Martin talks about it, it's like having uh someone that's ready to retire today, just now today starting to think about putting money back for retirement. It's like that's that's not how this works. Like uh you know, you had to start this a long, long time ago before you actually need it. Um and then even for y'all, obviously while Chris was still alive, your dad was still alive, the American Sniper book uh went gangbusters, you know, everybody wanted to hear these stories and read about it. It was a best seller. And then when he passed, uh and I'm not sure how the timeline works, but obviously he's murdered in 2013, and then by 2014, we have a major motion picture with one of the most famous directors of all time, Clint Eastwood. And then we have uh you know, an A-list actor in Bradley Cooper that was going to be playing your father. And a lot of people have heard about the lengths that he went to to emulate your dad, he to get his mannerisms down, changing his body significantly to put on the bulk, uh the shooting, the the range time, all that kind of stuff. And I'm just curious for you because it's kind of hard to to look online and to surmise because, you know, I've heard rumors that maybe the family wasn't entirely pleased uh with the movie and some of the portrayals in the movie. I don't know if that's the case or not, but obviously this movie comes out a rated R movie when you're what, 9 or 10 years old and it's depicting your dad. How close were were you to the project? You know, when were you able to actually watch it as you reflect on it, you know, over 10 years later? You know, what do you think about the project and you know, the the movie depiction of what your dad wrote about in his book? Um, as far as my immediate family goes, so myself, my mom, my sister and the portrayals done by the movie, we're all very very happy with it. Um, there is only so much you can do in that amount of time to tell a man's entire life story and I think they did an exceptional job at at managing that and putting it all in. There were there have to be sacrifices made in how you portray certain scenes and the way certain people reacted. Um, but by and large, in my opinion, it is the most accurate military movie, it is the most accurate personal story of war and family and what's the dynamic and how do I make this decision and how do I have this uh, as Bradley Cooper put it, schizophrenic-like life. It's a double life and they don't they're not compatible. Um, but how do you carry both of those? I think they did an incredible job at at portraying that extremely accurately. So, we've been very pleased. Um, um, there's always going to be critics, there's always going to be people that say, "Ah, I didn't like this or I didn't like this." And um, and I don't know that realistically there's anything we could change to make it more accurate. Okay, and so happy with the film and obviously it holds up. I mean, Clint Eastwood doesn't make anything that ends up looking terrible 10, 20 years down the road. But one thing that it did is obviously the the book went gangbusters, but the majority of the population of the planet doesn't read, but a lot of people will sit down and and watch a 2-hour, 2 and 1/2-hour long Clint Eastwood flick, right? And so, the ubiquity of your dad's name, his story, the United States military, the Navy, the Navy SEALs, all that goes through the roof, right? And and then there's positive things that come from that, but then there's a lot of negativity. There's a lot of attention. You mentioned vultures earlier that were even at your house, uh you know, before your dad's body was even cold yet. And so, you had a lot of people that immediately their job was to disprove the stories from Chris Kyle's book, right? Their job was to prove that Hollywood sensationalized parts of his story to make him seem like he was something that he was not. And the difference in what you would hear from the men that actually served with your dad, the men that would actually know, versus these dorks on the internet that are like, "Well, I have a source." Right? These Candace Owens type people are like, "Oh, I have a source and uh oh, I had a dream and uh this is not actually what happened. This is what happened." A lot of rumors were swirling around about your dad, and what rumors end up you know, having an effect on is legacy. Because there are people right now, because of, you know, negative actors in, you know, the podcast sphere and the media sphere, that are painted in a particular way that no amount of money spent with a PR agency could undo, because the population of the world has already decided, "Yep, that theory about someone that has no evidence has got to be true. Why? Because words or something." But this is this is your dad. And like, I mean, I know how I feel when someone tries to say something or imply something about my father, right? You feel this this natural savagery inside of you to defend your father, cuz what you're actually doing is defending your name. And you're defending you being the conduit through which you pass on that name to hopefully, Lord willing, your own children. And so, I'm just curious for the Kyle family, for you, Taya and McKenna, when you hear these rumors, when you hear people bandying about different things and they get some traction as they have over the last, you know, uh 12, 13 years, how do you respond to that and how do you deal with that? Yeah, it's um for someone to take a person that is so well respected in the community and uh a hero and died unjustly and unexpectedly and as a hero and then to strip something of them when a lot of the things that people say negatively about my dad he would never have even uh sorry, that people are trying to combat and say, "Oh, this didn't happen or he never did that or he's lying about this." He never would have said it in the first place if it were up to him. The reason he even wrote a book in the first place is because other people were going to write a book about him and he said, "Well, I better get this right then because they're going to they're going to screw it up and if it's my story, I should be the one to write." Had that not happened, he had no no desire to write a book of his own and he didn't have a desire for it to become a movie or to become a public figure because of it. Obviously, it has its benefits and everybody in in today's world thinks that fame is the best thing that you can have. That wasn't him in the slightest. Uh so someone like that that was so incredibly humble, he constantly praised other people. He wrote the book largely, another one of the big reasons he wrote the book was because he said, "People are going to make this all about me. I need to highlight the other heroes in these stories. I need to let people know it wasn't all me." So him being very humble, like I said, he praised other people. He would say other people were a better shot than he was. Unlikely, probably not true. Um >> [clears throat] >> but incredibly humble and because he didn't need the praise, uh I think it's really easy to criticize a large name as and that gives you a platform. If you can have any credibility, if you can have a story and say this didn't happen or this person's wrong, you don't have to be anybody whatsoever. You don't have to have had done anything and to come forward with criticism and gain uh some traction with that instantly makes you a name because you're attaching yourself to that other name. And I think that people that are criticizing uh my father and his book or the movie, I think that's what they're doing. Like I said, it's right you're right to have questions. You're right to ask questions but to not have them be based in evidence and to bring them forward as charges and to slander someone, especially someone who's already passed and that that slander affects the living family, that's something that uh is I think done for very selfish motivations. Yeah, and it's the lack of evidence piece that, you know, again, we have kind of people that have this useful idiot disposition to where it's like they think a claim is evidence. But it's like, "No, no, no, a claim that is undergirded with facts is evidence." And so we run into this issue again very prominently what have would been last year or something like that. Tim Kennedy, uh another special operations guy, he was a, you know, Green Beret. It became clear that the people that were throwing stones online for all this time, they had the receipts. A lot of the things that uh Tim claimed in his book and had claimed in podcast, awards that he had received, places he had been, things he had done. Almost all of it was rejected as as a falsehood and he's going to carry around that uh that for the rest of his life. That uh stolen valor, that is something in the military community having not served in the military myself, but having grown up in Fort Sill, stolen valor is not a small thing. It's not like a whoopsie daisies, I shouldn't have done that. This is something that you're stained with for the remainder of your life. But as we kind of wind to a close here, you know, getting into kind of what you're doing now, Cole. And obviously, you mentioned that you're going and speaking this weekend. You know, there's the American Sniper brand, which guys, if you want to check that out, you can go to the show notes and you can check out the American Sniper brand. And so, that's one way that you're two ways, I guess, that you're keeping your dad's memory and legacy alive is you're you're speaking about your experience, you're speaking about, you know, his legacy, you're you're selling the merch and you're you're keeping his memory alive there. And then I heard uh through the rumor mill that you're pursuing a PhD in Christian apologetics, which is awesome. And so, if you ever need somebody to do pretend arguing with, you can always give me a call. But let's just talk about what you're doing now. Uh thank you. I appreciate that. Uh first things first, not actively pursuing the PhD. I would love that. I would love to get my doctorate in apologetics. Um that is simply an ambition at this point for a later time. Uh as far as the other things go, yes, I'm I'm the CEO of American Sniper. I'm running it as a company, as a brand, as a legacy. Obviously, it's built on the father on my father, on the values that my father and I shared, which are godliness, patriotism passion service and excellence. So, those five core pillars make up American Sniper. Those will bleed through anything that I do. I started with apparel. That was lower barrier to entry. Um people love uh sending a message with the things that they wear. And I think that I'm I'm really dialing that in with the American Sniper apparel. That is branching out already into the tactical space. So, I have tactical shooting glasses with Wiley X. That's an existing collaboration. I'm working on more in the very near near future in the sphere of firearms and accessories. And I'm very excited about some of those will be collaborations. Some of those will be done American Sniper. And that's that's really where where the brand belongs is in that space. That's my community that I love. That's what I was raised with. Public speaking. I love public speaking. I love engaging with people. I love encouraging and hopefully inspiring people. A lot of people will hear the things that we just talked about today, the uh heartbreaking things that we've talked about today, and come away from that saying, "This guy has such a wild story and and interesting things that has happened in his life. And if he can do something like this, then I can, too. I can keep going. I can inspire others." And it's true. I mean, we all can. We just have to recognize that we can. And to be a spokesperson for other people seeing that in themselves through relating to my story, that's something really powerful um that I love to be able to share, to be able to share my testimony and uh why I'm a Christian, which in very short terms, we didn't really get to speak over today. I was raised that way. My father was a believer. My mother was a believer. And um because of her true, honest belief, there was a firm foundation. And when the storm came, she wasn't shaken. And so neither were myself or my younger sister, McKenna. And we have we also have firm foundations in Christ. So to be able to share that, inspire others, encourage others, this trip that I have coming up is a men's retreat. I'm giving two uh hour-long talks for both of those. And one thing that I'm excited to do is I see a lot of people when it comes to when it comes to the church or anything uh uh around the church, orbiting it, we look at women and we say, "We want to empower you. We want to love on you." And we look at men, and oftentimes we say, "Here's everything you're doing wrong. Man up. Get better. Do better." And at times we need that. At times we need to be kicked in the pants and say, "Get Get your stuff right." And at other times, we need to be encouraged and inspired in a way that's not um necessarily demeaning. And I think in American Christian culture, I think we can get lost in the demeaning part and lose the encouragement part because men are doing a lot. Christian men are doing a lot. And to be seen for that and valued for that, I think is very important. So, that's something that I'm excited to do this weekend and something that I'm excited to do more of as I do more speaking. Well, very good. I'm I'm glad you're getting into this space. We need more voices like yours coming out, especially the younger voices. The old gray-haired guys or the bald guys, they're going to be gone soon. So, we need more guys like you coming up to take their place. But man, that's all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? Uh no, I appreciate it. Thank you for your time. Good to have you on, man. There you go, guys. Hope you enjoyed my time with Colton Kyle. But before I let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost. At Undaunted Life, our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. So, I've got a link to the American Sniper Apparel website, americansniper.com, and link to where you can pick up his father's book, American Sniper. Thank you everyone for listening to this episode. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe, rate, and leave us a positive five-star review. If you want me to come speak live at your event or on your podcast, just shoot me an email to info@undaunted.life. Follow us on Instagram and like us on Facebook, and check out our website for everything else, including how to donate to keep more content like this coming. www.undaunted.life. The music on this podcast is the song Conqueror by the Christian metal band Void Awakened. Be sure to stream their music on Spotify, Apple Music, and wherever else you get your music. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience, keep seeking the lion of Judah. Void Awakened >> [music] >> I