CHRISTINA BENNETT | Roe is Dead. Now What? (Ep. 332)

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0:02 - This is Undaunted Life Amanda's podcast.

0:21 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.

0:23 Let's get into it.

0:24 I guys today we got a special guest on the podcast.

0:26 Her name is Christina Bennett.

0:27 She writes for live action news

0:29 and she is also the communication director

0:30 for the Family Institute of Connecticut.

0:32 She is very, very passionate about the life issue

0:35 and has a lot to do with the fact that her mother

0:37 actually told her that she once considered a boarding Christina

0:41 when she was pregnant with her.

0:42 And so that, she learned that as an adult

0:44 and that has really kind of springboarded her

0:46 into this life where she's been dealing with this issue.

0:48 So in this podcast,

0:49 we get into a little bit more on that story.

0:51 We're gonna get into her reaction

0:53 to the leak of Samuel Alito's draft opinion

0:55 in his decision, also the Dobbs case

0:57 and the overturning of that.

0:59 But she has been a majority of her life in this issue,

1:02 working in the issue of abortion,

1:04 regarding the black community.

1:06 And I know I talked about on this show before

1:07 that I don't really like talking about groups of people

1:09 as if they're a homogenous group

1:11 just because they look the same,

1:12 have the same level of melanin.

1:13 But I think in this case,

1:14 demographically it makes sense

1:16 because she has spent a lot of time

1:17 talking about the abortion issue in the black community

1:19 because it's three times higher

1:20 than any other demographic in terms of race.

1:22 The fatherlessness epidemic.

1:24 And we dig into all that information.

1:26 I really, really enjoyed my time with her.

1:27 I think you guys are gonna like her as well.

1:28 So without further ado, let's get into it.

1:32 - Christina Bennett,

1:33 welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.

1:35 - Thank you for having me on.

1:37 - I'm absolutely happy to talk to you.

1:38 I'm talking to a lot of people that kind of are in your world

1:41 and so I'm getting a lot of great feedback.

1:43 It's gonna be awesome for our audience,

1:44 but in a way of introduction,

1:46 let's just kind of start at the 30,000 foot view.

1:48 What was it that got you specifically into the fight for life?

1:52 - In college, I found out that my mother had one scheduled

1:58 and tried to abort me.

2:00 I found out in a really unique way,

2:02 somebody gave me a quote unquote kind of message from God.

2:07 I was in a church service and someone told me,

2:10 God wants you to know something remarkable happened

2:12 around the time of your birth.

2:14 So I asked my mom,

2:16 hey mom, did something remarkable happen

2:17 around the time of my birth?

2:19 And to my great surprise, she said,

2:22 yeah, I met an angel before you were born.

2:25 I don't wanna talk about it.

2:26 She never said anything like that before.

2:29 And amazingly, I left it alone

2:32 because she was really serious when she said,

2:34 I don't wanna talk about it.

2:35 I thought, okay, I'll leave that alone.

2:38 But I was in college and I was very curious.

2:42 So of course, after a couple of months,

2:43 I came back and said, what do you mean?

2:45 You met an angel before I was born.

2:47 Well, come to find out the angel was a janitor

2:51 in the hallway of the hospital

2:54 where she was about to have an abortion.

2:56 So she was being pressured by my dad.

2:59 She was being coerced by my dad.

3:00 He already had two kids at the time

3:03 from two different women, didn't want a third.

3:06 And he told her to get an abortion.

3:08 She's actually going to a church,

3:09 but her mentor told her,

3:12 don't come back here, basically.

3:13 She said, if you come back,

3:14 I'll put my foot in the door and not let you in.

3:16 She was just upset with her for being pregnant and not married.

3:20 So she ended up going to Mount Sinai Hospital,

3:23 Hartford, Connecticut, and she paid for the abortion.

3:26 She met with a counselor in the hospital who told her,

3:30 this is the best decision and that was about it.

3:33 She didn't really get any counsel.

3:35 And she was told to just go into the doctor's office

3:39 and she paused just for a moment

3:43 between the counselor's office and the waiting room.

3:46 And in that moment, this elderly African-American janitor

3:49 saw her, she went up to her, looked her in the eyes

3:52 and said, do you want to have this baby?

3:55 And my mom said, yes.

3:56 And she said, God will give you the strength to have this baby.

3:59 It didn't end there because then she went to collect herself

4:02 and the doctor called her into his office.

4:05 He had blood on the floor from the last abortion

4:08 that he never cleaned up.

4:09 She was disgusted, as you can imagine.

4:12 And she told him, I want to leave.

4:15 I want to keep my baby.

4:16 And he said, no.

4:17 He said, you've already paid for this,

4:19 you're just nervous, and she said, no.

4:23 And she continued to tell him that she wanted to keep me.

4:26 And then he yelled at her and said, don't leave this room.

4:29 But she ran out.

4:31 She got married to my dad.

4:33 It only lasted about a year.

4:34 They got divorced.

4:36 I went back and forth between them growing up.

4:39 But when I was in my 20s, as I mentioned in college,

4:42 I found that story out.

4:43 And that was my first story, or even any kind

4:50 of experience of the abortion.

4:51 That was my first time because I just--

4:54 I grew up in Connecticut, where I live now.

4:56 It's very pro-abortion.

4:58 So we never talked about abortion at home.

5:01 In high school, my friends, you could get an abortion

5:04 and you don't have to tell your parents.

5:06 We don't have a rental notification

5:07 log on Connecticut.

5:08 So I remember one of my friends getting an abortion.

5:11 And my only thought was, oh, man, her parents found out.

5:17 That really stinks.

5:19 But other than that, I didn't have any sort

5:21 of encounter or personal experience with it.

5:23 So this was the first thing that was very personal to me.

5:26 And it caused me to research.

5:28 And it caused me to want to know more.

5:30 And the more I researched, the more I got involved.

5:33 And eventually, I ended up just saying yes

5:35 to being in the pro-wife movement.

5:38 I think that's such an incredibly powerful story.

5:40 And unfortunately, I guess, fortunately,

5:42 it's not a unique story.

5:44 There are a lot of people that kind of have the story that,

5:46 look, I was supposed to be aborted.

5:47 Maybe it was a botched abortion or the mother changed her mind.

5:49 And now you're here.

5:50 But I do want to kind of get into this.

5:51 Because as I told you, I'll fare, the majority of the people

5:53 that you're talking to today are males.

5:54 It's like an 85%, 90% male audience.

5:57 And the pressure that men enforce on women

6:00 to kill their babies, whether it's

6:03 men that were directly involved in the--

6:06 that baby being created in the first place

6:09 for fathers that don't want to have to admit to the guys

6:12 down at the local cigar lounge.

6:14 Yeah, my little girl got knocked up

6:16 or one of those types of things.

6:18 I live in a community that's pretty affluent.

6:20 And we have such a high abortion rate

6:22 because it's these squeaky, clean parents and families

6:24 that want to make sure you don't think that their daughter's

6:26 a skank.

6:27 Like that's kind of the idea.

6:28 And we have to kind of protect our information.

6:31 Talk a little bit more about the men.

6:33 Because I'm flabbergasted at the cowardice that men show

6:37 that are willing to literally shed blood

6:39 so they don't have to be responsible.

6:41 But I want to hear from your perspective about that as well

6:43 because your dad obviously tried to make sure

6:45 that happened with you.

6:46 Right, yeah.

6:47 I mean, I love to talk about that because it's so important.

6:51 First of all, men have given into the lie

6:56 that they don't have a voice on this particular issue.

6:58 And that's not all their fault.

7:00 I mean, that society has said no uterus, no opinion.

7:05 And so I think a lot of guys have said, well, you know,

7:07 if you say that I don't have an opinion,

7:09 then I'm going to wash my hands of it.

7:11 And so you've got some men that are just apathetic

7:14 and they don't care.

7:15 They've washed their hands of it.

7:16 They're happy to not have to be involved with it.

7:19 And then you've got other men like my dad who, as you said,

7:22 they are actively pressuring women.

7:24 They are coercing them.

7:26 They are telling them, you're going to do this

7:29 or we're breaking up or you're getting kicked out of the house.

7:34 I mean, I hate--

7:35 it's sad to even talk about, but just recently, only

7:40 about a month ago, a 16-year-old girl that I was--

7:45 I don't know personally, but I was being

7:47 contacted about her.

7:49 And it was her father that was pressuring her

7:51 to have the abortion.

7:53 She wanted to keep this baby.

7:55 And she even went to a pregnancy center with her dad

8:00 and said, I think I can do this.

8:01 And he said, but what about this, this, and that?

8:03 And she was like, I'll figure it out.

8:05 And she figured out how she would be able to have a family

8:08 member help her so she could finish school

8:10 and the family member to watch the baby.

8:12 But he kept on pressuring her, didn't think she could do it,

8:16 and she got the abortion.

8:17 And of course, she felt really awful afterwards.

8:22 And I think to myself, she's going to resent him,

8:24 especially with she gets older.

8:26 And she really understands the depth of what she did.

8:29 There's going to be a lot of resentment there.

8:31 And so as far back as Hugh Hefner,

8:34 if you really want to go back in history, Hugh Hefner,

8:39 Playboy's founder, he supported Roe v. Wade immensely.

8:47 All you have to do is Google Hugh Hefner and Roe v. Wade.

8:50 And he was really proud to say that he was one of the first

8:53 people before abortion was legalized

8:56 to push for abortion rights.

8:58 And he even wrote about it in Playboy.

9:00 Now, why would someone like Hugh Hefner

9:04 be so interested in so-called woman's rights?

9:07 He was interested in so-called woman's rights

9:10 because he understood that this was a way for the women

9:14 that he worked with to have free sex and sex love

9:19 and rock and roll without the consequences.

9:22 And it would benefit men like him, men who wanted to use women,

9:27 men who wanted to be able to go from one girl

9:30 to the next girl, he understood that.

9:33 And that's why he put money and time and effort behind Playboy.

9:37 But you notice that the feminists in the '70s,

9:41 like Gloria Steinem, they weren't walking in a march

9:44 with Hugh Hefner and lifting up his hands

9:47 and walking with him.

9:49 They wanted to distance themselves from people like that

9:51 because they wanted to make it seem like it was all

9:53 about women's rights.

9:54 And they were the ones at the forefront of the movement.

9:57 But you also had men like Hugh Hefner, also

9:59 at the forefront of the movement.

10:01 Even earlier than that, in the 1930s,

10:03 you had men like the Rockefellers.

10:05 And you had rich white elitist men who were racist,

10:10 who were just pouring money into this abortion movement.

10:13 Again, because they understood that it would allow them

10:17 a certain amount of so-called freedom,

10:20 allow them to be liberal and free with their sexuality.

10:24 And by them doing that, it really put all of the burden

10:30 on women.

10:31 And so prior to Roe v. Wade being legalized in society,

10:37 when a woman got pregnant, that burden was almost

10:41 on the man's shoulders more than the woman.

10:44 Because society would say to the man,

10:45 you have to marry this girl.

10:47 You have to get this right, you have to marry this girl.

10:50 And then it switched when abortion became legalized.

10:55 Then there was no real pressure anymore

10:57 for the man to be responsible and marry this girl.

11:01 Also in the pressure when I'm the woman,

11:03 that she's got to do something about him.

11:05 An interesting fact that people may not know

11:08 is that the number one cause of death for pregnant women

11:13 is homicide.

11:15 And there is such a large growing amount

11:20 of pregnant women who are killed by their partners.

11:23 Part of the reason they're killed by their partners

11:26 is because if they refuse to have an abortion,

11:29 or they say, you know, I'm keeping this baby,

11:31 the partner will kill them and the baby.

11:34 And if you look into these stories,

11:35 it happens all of the time.

11:37 It happens every year, multiple times it's happening.

11:40 There's a football player who killed the cheerleader.

11:43 And he literally said to the news.

11:45 And they were in high school.

11:46 He said, she refused to have an abortion,

11:49 so I had to take care of it myself.

11:51 He had to take care of it himself,

11:54 meaning he had to kill her and kill the baby.

11:56 But where does that mindset come from?

11:57 It comes from this idea that I have been taught by society

12:02 that a baby is an inconvenience to my life, to my freedom.

12:07 And therefore I can use violence towards the baby,

12:10 but then I can also use violence towards the woman.

12:13 And that can be subtle pressure all the way to murder.

12:18 - I think it's so, so many great points there.

12:21 But as you were saying that,

12:22 like people don't understand where the term shotgun wedding

12:24 comes from is because, you know,

12:26 someone gets a woman pregnant and the dads,

12:28 basically that's the mental image,

12:30 the dad's leading that young boy down the aisle

12:32 with a shotgun in his back saying,

12:33 you're gonna take care of this girl

12:34 and you're gonna take care of this baby.

12:36 But you're absolutely right, womanizers,

12:38 they love abortion, rapists, love abortion,

12:41 irresponsible little boys that can shave.

12:44 Some people would call them men,

12:45 even though people on the left can't even define

12:47 the difference between a male and a female.

12:49 They love abortion because it gets them towards like,

12:51 they're thinking to themselves, man,

12:53 how is this baby going to affect how much halo I get to play?

12:56 Or how many fantasy football leagues that I get to enter into?

12:59 Or how many, you know, this, that or the other,

13:01 how many rounds of golf I'm gonna be able to play?

13:03 It's such a selfish culture that we live in.

13:06 And so like changing the attitude around that.

13:09 I mean, that's part of the thing that,

13:10 and we're gonna talk a lot about the Dobbs decision,

13:12 there are so many things that we need to work on

13:14 in this area and it's not just getting laws changed.

13:16 It's getting hearts changed.

13:17 That's why I tell people all the time,

13:19 it's like, you need the gospel in these people's hearts

13:21 because it's like, that's gonna change their desires.

13:23 They're not gonna desire to kill their babies

13:25 'cause they're not gonna desire themselves over the life

13:28 that they've helped to create.

13:29 And one of the great things about you and the work that you do

13:32 is you work with one of our favorite organizations

13:34 here at Undaunted Life and that's live action.

13:36 So you work with a lot of different organizations,

13:38 but you are specifically over there.

13:39 I believe you're kind of with their news wing

13:41 and that kind of helps with setting their record straight

13:43 on a lot of these things because they do a lot of great things

13:45 on social media.

13:46 They've had a big, large impact.

13:48 So I guess tell me how you got hooked up with them over there

13:51 'cause we love Lila, she's been on the show twice.

13:53 We love supporting what you all are doing.

13:55 But y'all had some very interesting things come out

13:56 here even recently.

13:58 And I'm also kind of curious to see the stuff

14:00 that y'all are gonna be focusing on now as a group,

14:02 now that the Dobbs decision has come down.

14:05 - Yeah, so I've been working with live action,

14:09 kind of part-time freelancing for probably about

14:11 maybe seven years or so.

14:12 I started writing articles for them

14:15 and I really appreciated the excellence

14:19 in which they do everything.

14:22 Just, I've seen a lot in the pro-life movement.

14:24 I've been involved for 17 years

14:26 and they were just kind of above reproach,

14:29 do everything really well and have a lot of integrity

14:32 and character and they don't get into the drama.

14:36 They're not into infighting or different things,

14:39 dramatic things, they're just about the main thing.

14:41 They make the main thing the main thing

14:42 which is saving lives.

14:44 And so I really respected them as an organization

14:48 and they asked me to write for them.

14:50 And then just during the pandemic,

14:53 I had done different projects for them interviews

14:56 and different things but they asked me if I would come on

14:58 as a spokesperson, a news correspondent

15:02 and do interviews, do podcasts, do new stuff.

15:05 And I said that I would be happy to do that.

15:07 And so I've been doing that about maybe a year or so now

15:11 and it's been really wonderful.

15:12 Some of the projects that we've been working on recently,

15:16 we just released a series on abortion procedures

15:19 where we're actually, we have four female

15:21 former abortion doctors.

15:23 The first series we did was with a male former

15:25 about abortion doctor Dr. Levitano

15:28 and he goes through all the different types of abortions

15:30 and why he laughed and he's got a really compelling story

15:33 about why he left.

15:34 If people haven't watched those videos,

15:36 I would encourage them to go to our YouTube and watch them.

15:39 And those were wildly successful,

15:42 millions of people watched those videos.

15:44 So we followed them up with abortion procedures 2.0

15:47 and these are four former abortion doctors that are women

15:51 that have left the industry.

15:53 And we have these really well done

15:56 medically accurate animations that we use

15:58 and they're not overly graphic

16:00 but they do get the point across

16:02 to what really happened in abortion.

16:04 And so those are in the video,

16:06 as well as we just did an undercover video

16:09 that we released about a couple of weeks ago

16:12 and it focuses on the abortion clinic

16:14 in Washington D.C., the surgery center

16:17 and it focuses on this really sick abortionist

16:21 called Dr. Santangelo.

16:23 This guy is really a piece of work.

16:25 I mean, we believe that he's possibly, very possibly,

16:32 doing late-term abortions.

16:34 There were five babies that were recently found by pro

16:36 life activists and they were given a medical waste box

16:40 and the babies were in it.

16:41 And they were like late-term babies that have been aborted.

16:44 And we've been calling for the medical examiner

16:47 to look into it.

16:48 And unfortunately that hasn't happened

16:50 but we've sent somebody in undercover

16:52 and shockingly the nurse was talking to our undercover person.

16:57 And when she said, pretending to be a 28-week

17:01 pregnant woman, she said, "Can I talk to the doctor

17:05 about this procedure?"

17:07 And the nurse said, "Not until you take a Xanax."

17:10 And she was like, "Why do I need to take Xanax?"

17:12 "Yes, why do I need to take a Xanax in order

17:14 to talk to the doctor?"

17:15 And the nurse literally says, "And people can watch this,

17:18 I'm not even exaggerating."

17:19 He won't talk to you until you're pants off

17:22 on the table after taking a Xanax.

17:26 And it's just shocking to watch.

17:29 Like forget, you know, medical consent

17:31 that just flies out the window.

17:32 Literally, he wants them to be drugged

17:35 before they can even ask questions of him.

17:39 It's frightening because we caught that on video.

17:43 In the beginning, she asked, too, the nurse,

17:45 she says, "Well, I'm 28 weeks long.

17:47 I'm sure you guys don't really see people this far."

17:50 And they're just like, "Oh no, we do.

17:51 We see people this far all the time."

17:53 So it's really disturbing but I would encourage people

17:57 to watch that and that work that we did

18:00 with that particular video.

18:01 It just goes right along with what Lyla and the team

18:04 has done from the beginning.

18:05 Going undercover, exposing sex trafficking,

18:08 exposing criminal activity, exposing racism

18:12 where we've made phone calls into Planned Parenthoods

18:15 and said, "Could we give money earmarked

18:16 for a black baby to be aborted

18:18 because we really were against affirmative action

18:20 and we want less black babies?"

18:21 And they're like, "Yes, absolutely.

18:23 Whatever the reason is, we'll take the money."

18:24 So we've done some pretty crazy investigations

18:27 but they are eye opening and shocking,

18:30 things that we've uncovered.

18:31 - I'm so glad that you all do that work as well

18:33 because it's so easy for the propaganda wing

18:36 of the Democratic Party, otherwise known as the mainstream

18:38 media to basically ignore these stories

18:40 or to present their spin to it.

18:42 It's like, oh, we don't know if this is accurate

18:43 because as soon as the pictures came out from that clinic

18:45 of these babies that were late-term children

18:48 that were killed, most of these people are like,

18:50 oh, look, those pictures were taken to someone's apartment.

18:53 We don't even know that's where they came from.

18:55 And for that clinic, are they not on high alert right now

18:59 that they're in the crosshairs of this?

19:00 The only way that you get a nurse to be able to just talk

19:03 so casually about this stuff is 'cause they don't care

19:05 because they feel like they're not,

19:07 no one's gonna investigate them.

19:08 There's so much beneath the surface on this

19:11 that it's gonna be hard to kind of get into

19:13 but I know you all will keep digging

19:14 but we will make sure all that is in the show notes

19:16 so you guys can check that out.

19:18 But obviously I wanted to talk to you today

19:19 because I wanted to talk about the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's

19:22 Health Organization decision that came down

19:24 on June the 24th of 2022.

19:26 One of the greatest days in the history of the United States,

19:29 that's where Dobbs was upheld by a six-three decision.

19:32 And most importantly, Roe v. Wade in Planned Parenthood v. Casey

19:35 was overruled in a five-four decision

19:37 because Justin Roberts is a yellow-bellied jerk

19:40 who sucks and I hate him.

19:42 But you know, we were able to get it.

19:43 Thank you, Amy Coney Barrett.

19:44 We were able to make sure that that kind of went through.

19:47 So I guess I have two questions for you

19:48 about just some initial responses.

19:50 So what was your reaction to the Politico leak

19:54 of Alito's draft decision that came out weeks

19:56 and weeks before the actual decision?

19:58 And then what was your reaction like to the announcement

20:00 that Roe and Casey were now dead?

20:03 Well, for the leak, I had mixed emotions

20:06 because I was furious that some clerk or someone

20:10 would leak this and I didn't think the Biden administration

20:14 would find the person, which they haven't.

20:17 And I didn't think that they would be held accountable.

20:19 And I knew that whoever did that

20:22 was trying to intimidate the justices, which is exactly

20:24 what we saw play out, someone tried to kill

20:26 Justice Kavanaugh, you know, comes to his house,

20:28 trying to kill him.

20:29 And of course they're outside of Amy Coney Barrett's house

20:32 and they're harassing them.

20:33 And so that part really frustrated me

20:36 because we've never seen this happen before, you know?

20:38 And in history, I've never seen this happen in my lifetime

20:41 where there's been a leak in a document.

20:43 And so that upset me.

20:45 But at the same time, I was filled with hope.

20:48 Like, are we really here?

20:50 Like, is this happening?

20:52 I believe that it's happening.

20:53 We've been hoping and praying, but it looks like this is it.

20:58 And so I just automatically, I started a fast.

21:01 I just, I was like, I'm starting a fast

21:04 for like a couple of weeks or something.

21:05 You know, I wanted to, I said I was gonna fast

21:07 until the Supreme Court decision.

21:09 But then, you know, I think a couple of weeks

21:10 and I started eating sweets.

21:12 But still, that was my immediate response.

21:15 But then when I heard about the job's decision

21:20 being roping overturned, I was just sobbing.

21:23 I mean, I was just, you can, people can go to my Instagram,

21:26 black pro-life woman, and you can see my sobbing face.

21:28 Like, I literally just sobbed and sobbed

21:31 and I posted on Instagram.

21:33 And I just wanted people to know that I was just crying

21:36 and maybe they were crying too, and they wouldn't feel alone,

21:38 but I was sobbing.

21:40 It was just so emotional.

21:43 If your listeners have ever seen the movie Amazing Grace,

21:48 you can tell the story of William Wilberforce

21:50 and the slave trade in Britain.

21:52 And there's a particular scene at the end of the film

21:56 where everyone's gathered together

21:58 and they, you know, they released the vote

22:01 and he realizes that he's won and people just start clapping

22:05 and he's just looking up.

22:08 He's just so amazed and he's grateful

22:10 and he's kind of in shock.

22:12 And I always wanted that moment.

22:15 I always wanted that moment.

22:16 I would watch that film and say, God, give me that moment

22:18 with the overturning of Roe versus Wade.

22:21 And although I wasn't in a room full of people,

22:25 you know, clapping for me, I definitely felt,

22:28 I think a bit of what he must've felt in that moment,

22:31 just that kind of gratitude for seeing a victory

22:35 of that magnitude.

22:36 - I gotta be honest with you,

22:38 I'm a very pessimistic person.

22:39 I never thought this was going to happen

22:40 even during the Trump administration.

22:43 When I was doing the math, you know,

22:45 I was like, I think I even said

22:46 I wasn't sure if Alito would vote for this.

22:48 I knew Thomas would and I figured ACB would,

22:51 but I was like, man, I don't really know about Kavanaugh.

22:52 I don't really know about Gorsuch.

22:54 We know Justice Roberts is the worst.

22:55 So like, what can we actually,

22:57 and I remember doing that math.

22:59 And I love it when I am wrong on things like this.

23:02 I love it so much whenever I come out with egg on my face.

23:05 And but I was the same way as you, Christina,

23:07 like I was on a lawn mower when a buddy called me.

23:10 He was like, hey, man, that's crazy news, huh?

23:12 He thought I already knew, but I was like busy that morning,

23:15 like, and so he was the one that broke the news to me.

23:17 And I'm sitting there in the 100 degree heat

23:19 in Oklahoma, Mo and Alon.

23:20 And I'm just like overwhelmed.

23:21 And I came up immediately and recorded a podcast

23:24 and I got choked up myself.

23:25 And I'm not a terribly emotional guy, but it's just like,

23:27 man, like, then you start being filled with gratitude,

23:30 not just to God, but to Donald Trump.

23:32 Like God drew a straight line with a crooked stick

23:35 with that man, my God.

23:36 But then also the 50 years worth of men and women

23:39 and children that have dedicated their lives to this cause,

23:42 many of them have passed away.

23:43 They didn't get to experience this day.

23:45 It's almost like when, you know, silly example,

23:47 but like when Cubs fans,

23:49 they don't win the World Series for over a hundred years.

23:50 And then, you know, their grandpa died

23:52 having never seen a Cubs World Series,

23:54 but the grandson got to experience it

23:56 and almost felt like that.

23:57 Even though I hate the Cubs

23:58 and I hope they never win another World Series ever again,

24:00 but that's not what we're talking about.

24:01 It kind of felt, it felt that important that like,

24:03 I'm so glad that we're living through history,

24:06 but with all that excitement and an inhalation

24:09 and I told guys, celebrate, it's Friday night, you know,

24:12 I drank, you know, a new bottle of whiskey

24:13 and smoked a cigar and had a good time.

24:15 But by Saturday morning, it's like,

24:16 okay, it's time to sober up.

24:18 Let's make sure that we understand

24:19 that the fight has begun for real now.

24:22 And so that's really one of the main reasons

24:24 I want you on today, Christina, is so Roe v. Wade is dead.

24:28 Now what?

24:29 - Well, you summed it up well and I did the same thing.

24:33 You know, my husband and I, like we went out to celebrate,

24:36 you know, we had dinner and then as you said,

24:40 it's like, okay, let's get our, you know, our focus on.

24:44 And for me, I've been this way for a long time,

24:47 so it doesn't necessarily change.

24:48 But I think it's important right now for people

24:51 to first understand what is happening

24:54 in your particular state.

24:56 And you have to know what's happening.

24:58 So I can speak for Connecticut for myself.

25:00 Tragically, we are a pro-abortion state.

25:03 I know which legislators are pro-abortion,

25:05 which ones are pro-life.

25:07 We just passed legislation allowing midwives

25:09 and APRNs to perform abortions.

25:11 And the ones who are pro-choice,

25:13 they have heard from me, trust.

25:15 Like they have heard from me.

25:16 I have testified against them.

25:19 I have, you know, exposed their connections to NARAL

25:22 and the abortion industry.

25:24 I petition them, I have emailed them.

25:26 And so what is happening in your state?

25:28 If you are in New York, if you're in California,

25:30 if you're one of these, in one of these liberal states,

25:33 mostly, you know, blue states,

25:36 do you know the people who are pushing

25:40 for even more abortion access?

25:44 And have they heard from you?

25:46 Have you written them?

25:47 Have you called them?

25:49 Because if you haven't, know that Planned Parenthood is.

25:52 Planned Parenthood is, they have lobbyists,

25:55 they have people that are walking up and down the floors

25:57 of the Capitol buildings,

25:59 and they are trying to strengthen abortion laws,

26:02 even by writing abortion into some state constitutions.

26:06 So that's very important.

26:08 If you're in a pro-life state

26:10 and you're seeing abortion banned, that's awesome.

26:14 And you should be very grateful.

26:16 At the same time, you need to ask yourself a couple of things.

26:20 One, with an increase of women who are pregnant

26:24 and may not have resources,

26:26 how am I helping them to get resources?

26:28 So do you know your closest pregnancy resource center?

26:32 Do you know what's going on there?

26:34 One that you would recommend to other women

26:36 if they came to you in need.

26:38 What's happening at your church?

26:39 What's happening with your community?

26:41 If you run into a pregnant girl in the supermarket

26:43 and she's crying and she says, I can't do this,

26:46 my boyfriend's abusive, he's kicking me out,

26:48 like, I have nowhere to go, I can't live at home.

26:51 You know, do you know where to send her?

26:53 Or are you going to just be in shock and say,

26:57 here's a couple bucks, I don't know what to do for you.

26:59 So we need to know, we need to be informed,

27:01 we need to be equipped, we need to take responsibility

27:04 because for close to 50 years,

27:07 we've been looking at the Supreme Court like,

27:08 okay, you guys do your job and now they did their job.

27:11 And so it's like, okay, the balls in our court

27:14 and we have to be ready to fight.

27:16 And you got people on the left like AOC,

27:20 who's one of the loudest voices,

27:22 and she is going on talk shows

27:25 and she's very clearly saying,

27:26 this is what I want to do,

27:28 we have to elect this person and that person,

27:30 we have to pass something in Congress,

27:32 they have a Women's Health Protection Act

27:34 that they want to pass, it passed through the House,

27:36 it didn't pass through the Senate, but she's got a plan.

27:39 And she is making it very clear what her plan is.

27:41 And so we don't have to live in fear

27:43 and we don't have to worry necessarily that,

27:47 oh my gosh, you know, this is going to change tomorrow,

27:50 but we also can't afford to be idle.

27:53 And I think whenever you see a victory,

27:56 sometimes people feel like, okay, it's a victory.

27:58 And now I can kind of rest in that.

28:00 And you can in your heart to say,

28:02 I'm so grateful for this and I feel just, you know,

28:06 like this will be something that's lasting,

28:10 but at the same time you really have to fight

28:12 to sustain that win, to sustain that battle.

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28:43 - Well, and also it's time to gird your loins

28:45 and to realize like, hey, the fight is really about

28:48 to kick off because this idea, because again,

28:51 they thought they settled the abortion issue,

28:52 the seven Supreme Court justices

28:54 that decided Roe in the seventies,

28:55 they thought they had settled the issue,

28:57 but all they did was to basically create the pro-life movement.

29:00 It had been in existence before Roe v. Wade,

29:03 but they really kind of made it a national issue

29:05 for people that didn't think we should kill babies

29:07 that are in the womb, but for churches, for conservatives,

29:11 for people that live in states that are kind of squishy,

29:13 you know, in between kind of purple states,

29:16 this is that time for you to make your voice heard

29:18 because you can't keep lamenting on social media

29:21 and not vote.

29:21 You can't keep lamenting on social media

29:23 but not calling your congressperson

29:25 or sending them an email or trying to get a meeting

29:27 or any of those types of things.

29:28 And so there are very, very good ways inside of our system

29:31 to make sure our voices are heard.

29:33 But this has opened up a lot of eyes,

29:34 especially Christians, because Christians like me,

29:36 we never thought that this was gonna be overturned,

29:38 but most Christians haven't thought about the issue

29:40 as much as I have.

29:41 And so they don't know about pregnancy resource centers.

29:43 They don't know that almost 100% of them

29:45 were started by Christians and are maintained by Christians

29:47 and Christian money and all those different things.

29:49 Churches like the church that I attend,

29:51 you could tell they got caught flat-footed

29:52 because on the Sunday after the doves decision,

29:54 they were like, okay, we're gonna kind of figure this out.

29:56 We're gonna figure out and make sure

29:57 that you guys know the resources you need

29:59 because they never really thought

30:00 that this would ever happen.

30:01 And so I like what I'm seeing now.

30:03 People are like, okay, I wanna get into the fight.

30:05 But I wanna kind of go back to something that

30:07 I mentioned earlier and that's spreading the gospel

30:09 and changing the hearts of people, changing the desires

30:11 because some people are saying,

30:13 we need to focus on making abortion unthinkable.

30:15 But what they mean is a Trojan horse for,

30:17 we need universal healthcare and universal childcare

30:20 and paid maternity leave and all this other stuff

30:23 that all these lefty policy prescriptions.

30:25 But making it unthinkable in the hearts of man.

30:27 And one thing that you've talked about a lot

30:28 and right there in your Instagram handle is abortion,

30:32 but also fatherlessness inside the black community.

30:34 Now, as I said a lot on the show,

30:36 I don't like talking about groups of people

30:38 as if they're this homogenous group of people

30:40 that just because they look the same, they act the same,

30:42 but it is impossible to ignore the abortion rates

30:45 inside of the community of the black community

30:47 and also inside the fatherlessness inside that community

30:50 as well.

30:51 So I don't really even have a question for you.

30:53 I just know you've done a lot of thinking

30:55 and a lot of talking on this.

30:56 And so to tell me what your thoughts are,

30:59 because this is kind of Margaret Sanger's playbook

31:02 that's playing out right before our eyes.

31:04 It's like, make the government daddy

31:07 and also make sure we can kill as many black babies

31:09 as possible.

31:10 And for the last 50 years,

31:11 her plan has been working really, really well, go.

31:14 - Right, so I have so many thoughts on this.

31:16 And it is complicated, I have to say,

31:18 I'm a Republican, I'm a conservative,

31:20 but it is not so black and white, so to speak.

31:23 So for example, I support social services.

31:27 I think social services are important.

31:29 At the same time, you wanna make sure

31:31 that you're not creating an overdependency on services

31:36 that would cause you to become stuck.

31:38 So when I worked for the pregnancy centers,

31:40 for example, on one hand, I was so grateful,

31:45 'cause I live in Connecticut,

31:46 so I was so grateful when I could call a hotline, 211,

31:50 and I could connect somebody with a shelter

31:53 or a woman's home.

31:54 Now, granted, Connecticut really doesn't have that many,

31:57 so we're not doing as good as people may think,

31:59 like our legislator may think.

32:01 There's a Christian or Catholic maternity home

32:04 that closed down because the state didn't fund it,

32:06 but they planned Planned Parenthood every year.

32:09 But still, I used to think,

32:12 no, all charity just has to come through the church.

32:15 But then I realized that the church isn't yet doing

32:18 all that it's supposed to do.

32:20 So when I had a pregnant girl in front of me,

32:22 and she was like, I need resources,

32:24 I could call churches day and night,

32:26 but I wasn't really getting what I needed to.

32:28 So I was grateful for some government support.

32:32 At the same time, I would see some girls come in,

32:35 and they would literally say to me,

32:37 I would say, what's your plan?

32:39 And I would say, oh, well, I'm just gonna wait to,

32:41 I'm gonna get on section eight, like my parents,

32:43 or I'm gonna do this.

32:44 And I would say, you know, that's not realistic.

32:47 Do you realize how long the waiting list is for that?

32:50 Or I would see just a dependency that was unhealthy.

32:55 So they've been on different social services

33:00 for so many years that they've never gotten their license

33:03 or they could be working, but they're not working.

33:05 Or the system punishes them for getting married.

33:09 So they know that if they get married,

33:11 they're gonna lose services.

33:12 So therefore, they won't get married.

33:14 They'll just be living together.

33:16 And so I've seen both of those things where it's like,

33:18 God, yes, we need help.

33:21 We need services.

33:23 But which ones do we need?

33:24 And how do we help people without enabling them?

33:27 I think that's a big conversation that we have to have.

33:29 And I don't have any easy answers

33:31 'cause there's no easy answers.

33:32 And they'll look different in every state.

33:34 When it comes to the black community and abortion,

33:38 tragically, as you mentioned,

33:41 and as many people know, abortions,

33:45 the roots of Planned Parenthood

33:46 was racism and population control and eugenics.

33:49 Margaret Senior had a Negro project.

33:51 She wanted to rid the earth of undesirables.

33:56 She didn't want black people reproducing

33:58 after their own kind.

33:59 And so she really targeted our community.

34:03 And we're obviously still suffering to this day

34:05 because of that with our abortion rates

34:07 being three times higher than any other race.

34:10 And with the majority of these clinics

34:12 in lower income minority neighborhoods.

34:15 But what's happened, I think in 50 years,

34:18 is that abortion has become almost like a necessary evil

34:22 to many in the black community.

34:25 And even after Rose overturned, I saw it more.

34:29 I saw silence across the entire church,

34:31 white churches, black churches.

34:32 I saw silence with everybody.

34:35 But I guess I noticed the silence

34:38 more from the black Christians

34:41 because they're often quite vocal

34:44 when it comes to civil rights issues,

34:46 human rights issues, black lives matter, different things.

34:49 And so the same people that I noticed that can be vocal,

34:52 whether that's putting a black square up on Instagram

34:55 for something, whether that's marching,

34:58 they're silent on this issue.

35:00 And it really hurt me to see that.

35:03 Thankfully, my pastor is black,

35:06 and I go to a mostly black church.

35:08 My pastor was like, let's talk about this.

35:10 I mean, he literally had me come up on Sunday

35:12 and talk about it.

35:13 And I thank God for that.

35:16 But he's the exception.

35:19 Dr. Tony Evans is a black pastor.

35:20 He spoke about it.

35:21 But many have not.

35:23 And a lot of our African-American papers

35:26 and magazines like Essence and Ebony,

35:29 they're coming out with articles

35:31 and stories supporting Planned Parenthood,

35:33 supporting the abortion industry.

35:35 And we've just believed the lie for so long

35:39 that these industries are there to help us.

35:41 That is what they say.

35:43 And we believed it.

35:45 And we've internalized it.

35:48 And now we're doing the work for them.

35:50 And the beginning Sanger was trying to get people to kill us.

35:54 And now we've internalized that message

35:57 that yeah, it's, you know what?

35:59 We might not say it out loud, but we think it, yeah.

36:01 Yeah, if our child's born and we're a single mom,

36:05 you know what?

36:06 Maybe it's better to choose abortion.

36:07 If my child's gonna be born and I can't take care of them

36:09 and they might go into foster care,

36:11 maybe it's better to choose abortion.

36:13 And it's really tragic.

36:14 Now at the same time,

36:15 we have a really high percentage of single moms.

36:19 I grew up in family of single moms.

36:22 And listen, my mom and my aunts could run circles

36:26 around me to this day.

36:27 I mean, they really could.

36:29 They cook better than me.

36:30 They clean better than me.

36:32 They're more organized than me.

36:33 I mean, the list goes on and on.

36:34 They are superhero women.

36:36 But I think part of that mentality that we have,

36:40 we're in myself as a woman, you know,

36:42 where we grow up and we think like,

36:44 I was raised by single moms making do it all.

36:47 That's not a good mentality to have.

36:51 And it's out of brokenness that many of us think this way,

36:56 but it allows us to stay stuck and to stay dependent,

37:00 you know, on these industries that are making money

37:04 off of us, they're profiting from our pain.

37:06 If you look at the black community throughout history,

37:10 but especially recent history,

37:11 like the civil rights movement,

37:13 you'll see that the power and the strength,

37:17 it always came from the church.

37:18 It came from Christian leaders,

37:21 like Dr. Martin Luther King.

37:23 It came from leaders like Jesse Jackson before he sold out

37:26 and, you know, he used to be pro-life.

37:28 He was like one of the pro-life voices.

37:30 If you Google Jesse Jackson pro-life,

37:33 he was writing for national right to life.

37:35 He even said and quote, "What will happen 20 years from now

37:38 if we continue to abort children without even a pain

37:40 in our conscience?"

37:41 He ran for president in the 1980s and he sold out

37:44 and betrayed the black community running as a Democrat.

37:47 He had to become pro-choice,

37:48 but he used to be a prophetic pro-life voice.

37:52 But again, the power was in the church.

37:55 And so for us too, as the black community,

37:59 for us to go forward and for us to be liberated

38:02 from this covenant of death,

38:04 we have to speak truth from the pulpit.

38:08 We have to break ties with Planned Parenthood.

38:11 We have to expose them.

38:13 We have to do this.

38:15 It can't just be another people group trying

38:18 to do it on our behalf.

38:20 We have to have leaders in our own community.

38:22 So I'll say, you know, in closing

38:24 to this particular question,

38:26 I would recommend that people check out groups

38:28 like pro-black pro-life, check out groups like

38:32 the Anne Campaign's Whole Project, Whole Life Project,

38:36 the National Black Pro-Life Coalition,

38:39 leaders like Dean Nelson, Ben Watson.

38:42 He's a former football player for the Patriots.

38:44 He's a very strong voice.

38:46 And again, you know, and I'll say this too,

38:50 because if this is mostly people

38:52 that are conservative that are listening,

38:54 some of these people are gonna have different opinions

38:57 than you might have on things like social services

39:00 or how to get ahead.

39:02 But don't discount their voice

39:04 because they are literally the only one speaking

39:07 in the black community.

39:08 I mean, we've got, you know, black conservatives

39:10 like myself, like Albeita King, like Ryan Baumburger,

39:13 like Dean Nelson, but still any black man or woman

39:18 who is willing to come out and be strong on this issue,

39:22 you may not agree 100% with them,

39:24 but listen to them because their voices are really important.

39:28 We need a million more voices like that

39:31 in order for us to really get to where we need to be.

39:34 - I think that's an important point

39:36 because specifically I've been asked to look

39:37 into the Anne Campaign before

39:39 and whenever I looked into some of the stuff that said,

39:41 I'm like, oh, some of this is pretty rough.

39:44 Like, and so I think, again, I agree with your point

39:47 that, you know, again, crooked sticks can be drawn,

39:50 you know, straight lines can be drawn with crooked sticks,

39:52 but God has to kind of have an idea

39:54 and an impact in that.

39:55 And so I think having right theology matters here

39:58 in terms of, you know, when you have someone like,

39:59 I suppose a pastor like Raphael Warnock coming out

40:02 immediately basically saying, no, we need to make sure

40:04 we can protect people's rights.

40:05 It's like, that's a theological problem.

40:08 Okay, like that is a hard problem.

40:09 - Yeah, don't listen to that guy.

40:11 - Right, and so like that's just a guy,

40:13 that's an example of, you know, a black community leader

40:16 if you can even couch it that way

40:18 of a guy that runs Martin Luther King Jr's church now

40:21 that is saying these incredibly heinous things

40:23 that are a biblical, that are basically anti

40:26 what God would have us do.

40:28 But there's one thing, and I don't know that this is true,

40:30 and I'm not a big Trump, mega, mega guy,

40:33 like I voted for him in 2020, but I didn't vote for him

40:35 in 2016, like I like to call balls and strikes with that guys.

40:38 But the Christians and the black Christians

40:41 and the black church, the people that were silent

40:43 that weren't standing up and screaming and shouting

40:45 and throwing confetti around

40:47 whenever the Dobbs decision came down,

40:48 I'm wondering if part of the hesitancy was that

40:51 they would have to acknowledge that

40:53 the horrible evil orange man did something right

40:57 whenever he got on Gorsuch, Kavanaugh,

40:59 and Amy Coney Barrett, and that they would have to kind of

41:02 admit for a second, like I hate that man,

41:04 I think he's a racist, I think he's the worst,

41:06 he's a horrible sinner and all these things.

41:08 But look at this thing that he did, that was pretty cool,

41:11 like do you think that plays into a little bit

41:13 because I know Trump made inroads

41:15 into the quote unquote black community,

41:17 but there's still, that is a voting block

41:19 that goes anti anything Trump would ever say or do.

41:21 - Yeah, so that's a good question.

41:23 So I wanna say one thing too,

41:25 which you said before before I answer that.

41:27 So with someone like Reverend Warnock,

41:31 we need discernment and wisdom.

41:32 You can say that you're a Reverend,

41:34 but if you're clearly out there promoting abortion,

41:36 and I mean, not only promoting abortion,

41:38 but if you look into his history,

41:40 now that I'm trying to tear him down or anything,

41:43 but it's very clear, well, I think it's clear,

41:45 there's a lot of stories about the way

41:46 that he's particularly treated his ex-wife,

41:49 and she said that he tried to run over her foot

41:52 and different things, and God knows what's true

41:54 or not true, I know those things can be complicated,

41:56 but I do think that even on his pro-abortion stand alone,

42:00 you see that there is something that's really faulty.

42:03 Whereas the Ant campaign, they might say things

42:05 that are uncomfortable people to hear,

42:07 or even things that people may not agree with.

42:10 But I know from personally working with them on the side

42:13 that they have this whole life project

42:15 and they have people, I don't agree with everything,

42:18 'cause I have a different political viewpoint,

42:21 but I know they're really trying to reach women and families.

42:23 That being said, with President Trump,

42:26 I have a unique experience with President Trump.

42:30 I got to meet President Trump.

42:31 I got to go to the White House and to meet him.

42:33 I was in the Oval Office.

42:35 I was very opposed to President Trump

42:39 before he got into office because I thought,

42:42 well, I mean, I listened to him

42:43 and I thought about the way that he talks

42:46 about women and different things.

42:48 I prayed intensely and God gave me a dream

42:52 that he was gonna win.

42:53 And I'm very firm on that.

42:54 I believe it was God, he gave me a dream he was gonna win.

42:57 He told me to vote for him.

42:58 I voted for him both times.

43:00 I was actually on the board for pro-life voices for Trump.

43:04 It was not a picture-perfect, rosy thing with me

43:09 because there were times that he said things

43:12 that caused me a lot of pain, personally,

43:14 even as a black woman.

43:15 But for me, it was all about the Supreme Court.

43:18 I had, I mean, of course it was religious liberty too.

43:20 Of course it was, you know, a bunch of different things,

43:23 but it was, I had my eyes like laser focused on the court.

43:26 And so when people would say to me,

43:28 Christina, Trump's not really pro-life.

43:30 I would say, well, I know Hitler was definitely not pro-life.

43:32 And so he's saying that he is pro-life.

43:34 At least I have a shot, you know?

43:36 There's a shot.

43:37 Let's see if he keeps his promises.

43:38 And well, we know that he kept his promises with that.

43:42 I don't know if people in the black community,

43:47 I mean, let's be real.

43:48 Of course, I know my own family,

43:52 my own family multiple times, you know,

43:55 said that they thought Trump was Hitler.

43:56 So, you know, when I went to the White House,

44:01 you know, my own numbers were not happy about that.

44:04 I mean, they were upset about that.

44:06 Why are you going to go see Hitler?

44:08 So I definitely felt the pressure for those years

44:13 when I was vocally supporting him,

44:15 'cause I was vocal about it, and I felt that pressure.

44:18 So I know a lot of people just hated him,

44:22 hated him with a passion.

44:23 He had the unique, just power and ability

44:26 to really like unite people, to hate him,

44:29 or unite people to love him.

44:31 I haven't seen anything like it.

44:33 Just if you said Trump, that you support him,

44:35 people are like, we support you.

44:36 And if you hated him, people were also with you on that.

44:40 But anyway, that could be part of the reason

44:44 that people just don't wanna acknowledge that.

44:48 But I also think it's deeper than that.

44:51 I think they really, some people in the black community

44:55 really don't see it fully as a win

44:58 because of a few things.

45:00 One, we're so polarized.

45:03 And so a lot of people in the black community,

45:07 they don't trust the motives of mostly white politicians.

45:12 They don't trust that their intent

45:15 is that they really care about black lives,

45:18 or even really care about black babies,

45:20 so therefore they want them to succeed and flourish,

45:24 and that's why they're ending abortion.

45:25 They don't trust that because they don't see it

45:29 played out in other areas.

45:30 So in their mind, they think,

45:32 there's no way you sincerely just care about black babies

45:35 because if you care about black people,

45:37 you care about police brutality, you care about housing,

45:41 you care about flint in the water crisis in Michigan,

45:44 and so therefore you don't care.

45:46 So there's this lack of trust,

45:47 and most of them have not seen what I've seen.

45:50 So I traveled across the country,

45:52 and I've been to mostly white events,

45:56 pregnancies that are banquet.

45:57 And I have seen white people

46:02 that, yeah, if I was following their social media accounts,

46:07 maybe they would say things that offend me,

46:10 maybe we wouldn't see eye to eye on different issues,

46:13 maybe they'd be insensitive about race,

46:15 but they're opening up their pocketbooks,

46:17 and they're giving really hundreds of thousands of dollars

46:20 to pregnancy resource centers,

46:22 which then go fund and support black and brown women.

46:27 So I see this as a black woman, I see this.

46:32 This helps me balance out whatever the media is highlighting,

46:37 but your average black person, they're not seeing that.

46:41 Like they're not traveling across the country

46:43 and going to pregnancy center being,

46:44 but they're not in these circles.

46:45 And then of course we filter our news,

46:47 we filter our social media.

46:49 So if they're just following, you know,

46:51 black politicians and black leaders,

46:54 and which, you know, nothing wrong with that,

46:56 but they're hearing one side of the story.

46:58 And if they don't trust white Republicans,

47:00 they don't trust white conservatives,

47:02 they're always thinking, what is the motive?

47:04 What is the motive?

47:05 Now sometimes it literally makes no sense.

47:09 Like I've had multiple people come to me and say,

47:11 oh, you know, the only reason that, you know,

47:14 white legislators are passing these things

47:16 is because they want, you know,

47:19 there to be more white people

47:20 because the white birth is going down,

47:21 they won't, they'll be more white people.

47:23 But I say, I was just, someone just said this to me.

47:26 Or, you know, they're racist.

47:27 And I said, well, do you understand, right?

47:29 That like when abortions ban,

47:31 there will be more black babies.

47:33 Like, so if you were really racist,

47:34 why would you be wanting to ban something

47:36 that would cause for there to be more black babies?

47:39 But again, it's not always logical

47:42 because sometimes it's emotional,

47:43 sometimes there's pain involved.

47:45 So that's part of the reason that there's a lack of trust.

47:48 There's, they don't trust the motives.

47:51 And then the second thing is,

47:52 which is connected to the first,

47:53 that they just don't think that they're going to help

47:57 the women that they say they're going to help.

47:59 So they say, yeah, you'll be in abortion,

48:01 but are you going to help the women find resources?

48:05 Are you going to help them carry their pregnancies,

48:08 you know, all the way to term and then afterwards?

48:11 And again, if they don't know about the pregnancy centers,

48:14 if they don't know about maternity homes,

48:16 if they don't trust those places,

48:18 because you have to remember that these magazines,

48:21 Ebony, Essent, they're doing hit pieces on pregnancy centers.

48:25 So we can come and say, oh, well, yeah,

48:28 there's 2000 pregnancy resource centers.

48:30 But they might say, oh, you mean those fake clinics?

48:32 Those fake clinics that Ebony magazine said to watch out for,

48:35 literally there's articles directly saying

48:38 why black women should be concerned about pregnancy centers.

48:42 So it's really, there's a lot of indoctrination

48:46 and miseducation and lies.

48:48 And I can even give you two recent examples.

48:51 So there was a Senator, you may have heard this.

48:54 I think his name is like John Corrin or something.

48:56 I can't remember his name.

48:57 And Barack Obama made a statement on Twitter

49:00 about the overturning of Roe versus Wade and precedent,

49:04 being overturned wrongly.

49:07 And so this white Senator, he responded on Twitter

49:11 and he said, now do Plessy versus Ferguson

49:16 and Brown versus Board of Education.

49:19 So Sean King, who is, I don't know if Sean King's biracial

49:23 or if he's white or I don't know.

49:24 - No one technically knows, but it's a mystery.

49:27 - But Sean King, he took that to his own Instagram account

49:31 and he posted the tweet from the Senator

49:34 and he goes, look at what he just said.

49:36 And I looked through the comments and I was just floored

49:38 because people only saw the Brown versus Board

49:42 of Education part of it.

49:44 And Sean King did not explain it.

49:48 And so the majority of Sean King's audience

49:51 thought that in that tweet, that white Senator

49:53 whose pro-life was saying, let's overturn

49:56 the Brown versus Board of Education decision next.

49:59 Now, in fact, when I saw it, I quickly, like,

50:03 for a moment was confused too.

50:05 Like, why is he mentioning Brown versus Board of Education?

50:08 And what is he saying?

50:09 Would he be so bold to say something like that?

50:12 Well, then I do my research.

50:13 So I go over to Twitter and there's actually a black guy

50:17 in his comment section who was like,

50:18 he's not even pro-life.

50:19 He's like, guys, listen, I'm pro-choice,

50:21 but that's not what he's saying.

50:23 He's saying that Brown versus Board of Education

50:26 overturned the precedent of Plessy versus Ferguson.

50:30 And that's a positive example of how established law

50:32 can be overturned and he was correcting Barack Obama

50:36 and saying that this was also a positive example.

50:39 But Sean King never, and there's things

50:42 I like about Sean King, you know,

50:43 there's different things that I like about him.

50:45 There's things that I don't.

50:46 I try to listen to people on both sides

50:48 and try to find, you know, the good in them or whatever.

50:50 I try to be a bridge builder.

50:52 But I was so just saddened that he let this stand

50:57 and so many people.

50:59 And then since that moment,

51:00 I've had at least two to three other black leaders

51:05 in conversation who are pro-life,

51:09 bring that exact tweet up to me as an example

51:13 and wonder like, why would this guy say that?

51:16 And then I, you know, explain,

51:17 I don't think that's what he was trying to say.

51:19 I think he was just trying to say that

51:21 it's okay to overturn established law

51:23 and he was using that as an example.

51:25 The other thing was that white woman

51:27 who was with Trump at a rally and she said, you know,

51:31 we thank God that like for this ruling

51:34 that we can like protect white life.

51:38 And I think she meant to say the right to light.

51:41 - Right.

51:42 - White light.

51:43 - Whoa.

51:44 You know, grand, I mean,

51:47 I'm not out here as a black person

51:48 just trying to make excuses for white people.

51:50 So sometimes I don't even talk about this stuff.

51:51 So I feel like they're gonna think,

51:53 oh, I'm just a black conservative

51:54 trying to make excuses for white people.

51:55 And I'm not trying to do that.

51:57 But I do try to be fair.

51:59 And I think to myself,

52:01 I don't think that she was saying that.

52:03 I think that she absolutely said that.

52:05 She meant to say right to life.

52:07 Now, how did she not catch it?

52:08 God only knows.

52:09 How did she not correct herself?

52:11 God only knows.

52:11 But I also know as a speaker,

52:13 what it's like to be in front of an audience.

52:15 - Oh, yeah.

52:16 - To people, you know, you've got a microphone,

52:18 you say something, you think,

52:19 oh my God, what did I say?

52:21 So, but those two examples,

52:24 they spread like wildfire through social media.

52:27 I'm talking about thousands of people were like,

52:29 look at this.

52:30 This lady said protect white life.

52:32 Look at this.

52:33 This white senator wants to overturn Brown

52:35 versus Board of Education.

52:37 And so it reminds me of what happened

52:39 with that young guy.

52:41 I think his name was Nick at the March for Life years ago

52:44 when he ran to the Native American.

52:46 You remember that?

52:47 He ran to the Native American

52:48 and everybody saw one side of the story

52:51 and they like, you know,

52:52 had to shut down his school

52:53 'cause they were attacking his school

52:55 and come to find out it was completely different story.

52:58 And so we have to understand that the media

53:02 and, you know, demonic forces and all sorts of things,

53:09 they're really trying to keep people bound

53:11 with deception and lies.

53:13 And so it's important for us to understand that

53:18 and then for us to try to build bridges wherever we can.

53:22 And that might, I mean,

53:24 the easiest way to do that is having relationships

53:26 with actual, you know, black people.

53:28 And then in those relationships being able to say,

53:30 hey, well, what do you think about this?

53:31 Or have you thought about from this perspective

53:33 and really kind of breaking through the lies

53:38 because as a community, we've always cared about family,

53:42 we've always cared about children,

53:44 many black grandparents have adopted their own children,

53:48 their grandkids, when the moms haven't been able to do that,

53:51 you know, kinship adoption.

53:53 We have a beautiful culture that loves, you know, family,

53:57 but sadly, you know, we've just been targeted

54:00 and we've believed so many different lies over the years.

54:03 - Well, and something that you said earlier,

54:06 when you were talking about the reason why you voted

54:07 for Trump in 2016 was because of the Supreme Court,

54:10 I remember not being compelled by that argument at the time.

54:13 Like I've mentioned my uncle Dan on the show several times.

54:15 He's like, Kyle, I don't like Trump either,

54:17 but the Supreme Court's too important.

54:19 And I was, you know, on this stance at Hillary Clinton

54:21 and Donald Trump, they do not meet my basic standards

54:24 of human decency.

54:25 I can't vote for either of them.

54:26 And then here we are.

54:27 So, but just think about it.

54:29 And I know that all the same cases wouldn't have gone there,

54:31 but let's say Hillary Clinton had gotten three picks

54:34 on the Supreme Court, right?

54:36 And I think that the number would have been seven, two,

54:38 liberal majority at that point or something like that.

54:41 How much different of a country would we have right now?

54:44 The Supreme Court was on a heater.

54:46 Like it wasn't just Dobbs at the end of their session.

54:48 There was a couple of cases that to do

54:49 with religious liberty, you know, with the EPA.

54:52 There was a lot of stuff that happened,

54:53 which if you didn't have,

54:54 it's really only a five-four majority

54:56 because again, just as Roberts is the worst,

54:58 but it's like even with a five-four,

55:00 you can do a lot of good for this country

55:03 with a five-four majority like that.

55:05 And the country would be so unbelievably different,

55:08 but we'll wrap up with this question for today.

55:11 So, I understand what I look like.

55:13 And I understand, so I grew up in a very, very diverse city

55:16 in Southwest Oklahoma, a lot in Oklahoma we had,

55:18 Fort Sill right there.

55:19 Like I grew up with more people of color in my classes

55:22 than people that look like me,

55:23 which is not common for every community in Oklahoma

55:26 or every community in the country for that matter.

55:28 And so it's like talking to people that don't look like me,

55:31 that don't have the same background,

55:32 whose grandmother calls them different names

55:34 and my grandmother called me.

55:35 I always thought that was great.

55:37 That was just part of who I was growing up.

55:39 But I do understand that someone will look at me

55:41 not knowing a thing about me and say,

55:42 well, I'm not gonna listen to that guy.

55:44 Look at him.

55:45 And it's something that you already obviously talked about.

55:47 Like there's this distrust from these people,

55:50 people that are people of color

55:51 towards the people that are in Congress

55:52 that are like, oh, don't worry, I'll take care of you.

55:55 And it's like, well, they've heard that before.

55:57 That community of people have heard that before.

55:59 So moving forward, 'cause since you're talking

56:01 to a lot of conservative Christians on this podcast,

56:04 you know, I'm assuming most of them are white.

56:05 I've never looked at my demographic information there.

56:08 But when you're talking to these communities

56:10 that need a revolution in their hearts,

56:13 specifically on this issue, not about everything,

56:16 not about school choice, not about taxation,

56:18 not about any of that stuff,

56:19 but specifically on the right to life for unborn children.

56:22 What is it that we can do better as opposed to?

56:24 Yeah, of course, have friends that look like everybody.

56:27 Don't have a particular kind of friend,

56:29 but some people live in communities

56:30 where they just live with a, you know,

56:32 they live in a community with a lot of Latino people.

56:34 They live in a community with a lot of white people.

56:35 It just happens to be that way.

56:37 What are ways from my microphone to your Instagram

56:41 that people can like say, hey, this isn't about race,

56:44 this is about the unborn people that need our protection?

56:47 Well, that's a great question.

56:48 So I would say we have to start with, you know,

56:52 being self-aware of how do I,

56:55 and this is, it's not easy, it's very, very hard.

56:58 So I'm just putting it out there.

56:59 And if someone really wants to do this,

57:01 it's gonna cost them, 'cause it's very hard.

57:03 Asking yourself, you know,

57:06 how do I sound to black people around me?

57:09 If I'm on social media, if I'm on Facebook,

57:12 and I have black friends, or I have black acquaintances,

57:15 and they're looking at my posts,

57:17 how do I sound, how do I think I sound to them?

57:20 Because you don't really know.

57:21 How do I think that I come off to them?

57:24 And just considering that, you know, when we share things.

57:28 And the reason I mention that,

57:29 something as simple as social media is because

57:31 a lot of times when people are looking at you

57:33 from a distance and they're seeing something in you,

57:36 they're making judgments about you

57:39 before they even enter into a relationship with you.

57:42 Or they look at something you said and they might think,

57:45 okay, well, this person is not someone I could trust.

57:48 This person is not saying, this person doesn't care.

57:50 And that causes them to perhaps cut you off,

57:54 unfriend you, or just not ever wanna really go deeper with you.

57:58 And so being mindful of that.

58:03 And one way I think that we can all reach more people

58:08 in communities of color is showing empathy,

58:12 even when we might not naturally wanna do that.

58:17 So let's just say you are a white conservative person,

58:22 and let's just say you have a black progressive person,

58:26 or just maybe even a moderate Democrat.

58:28 And something happens with a George Floyd

58:32 or a Black Lives Matter, please brutality case.

58:35 So I find that you can speak the truth

58:40 without being unnecessarily offensive.

58:46 That's a model that I live by.

58:48 That the truth itself is offensive.

58:50 So if I say to someone, I believe in two genders,

58:53 or I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

58:55 That's a very simple thing.

58:56 That's offensive to people, in and of itself.

59:00 And that's enough.

59:01 Where I don't have to just be extra dramatic,

59:04 or extra caustic, or I don't have to talk about

59:09 drinking liberal tears or something like that,

59:11 because just standing on the truth

59:12 is enough to offend a lot of people.

59:14 And so I can say it in a way that's truthful,

59:19 but also respectful.

59:21 So I would say when things that happen

59:24 that are emotionally charged,

59:25 people are looking to see like, what do you think?

59:27 What do you, you know, just be mindful

59:30 of what you're saying and how you say it.

59:32 That's very important.

59:35 Another thing that's important is finding any place

59:40 where you can find common ground

59:45 with people that are different than you.

59:46 So, you know, you might go to an all white church,

59:50 but perhaps you know that there's a particular spot

59:55 in your neighborhood or a place

59:57 that a lot of black people go or, you know,

59:59 could you go there?

1:00:00 I mean, the way that I started developing deep relationships

1:00:04 with some Jewish people in my neighborhood

1:00:06 is that I just went to their synagogue to visit their synagogue.

1:00:11 I thought, oh, you know, let me go over there

1:00:12 and see what it's like.

1:00:14 And then I developed over time this really beautiful relationship

1:00:17 with this man named Rabbi, Rabbi Haas.

1:00:19 And he knows a lot about the Old Testament.

1:00:22 I mean, I would say, what do you think this means?

1:00:25 And he knows, like, fluent Hebrew.

1:00:26 So he would say, oh, well, this means this, and then,

1:00:29 and then there were times when I'd be in events

1:00:31 and he would say, oh, Christina, do you wanna pray?

1:00:33 And I would say, and then he had a real heart for unity.

1:00:37 So he even at one time invited Christians into his synagogue

1:00:41 to do different things.

1:00:42 And I had to cultivate that.

1:00:44 I had to be the uncomfortable person where, obviously,

1:00:48 I'm the only black person in the entire room.

1:00:50 I'm the only Christian in the entire room, but here I am.

1:00:54 And I'm coming, like, with arms wide open.

1:00:56 So you said you grew up in that kind of an environment,

1:00:58 but some people never have.

1:00:59 Some people have never been the only,

1:01:01 I've been the only black person a million times in my life.

1:01:04 I'm from Connecticut.

1:01:05 I've been the only black person in the room

1:01:07 more times than I could ever count.

1:01:09 Maybe you've never been that person,

1:01:11 the only white person in the room.

1:01:13 But go into a restaurant that's mostly black.

1:01:15 Go somewhere, strike up relationship with the waitress,

1:01:18 talk to them, you know, visit a church, you know,

1:01:21 talk to them, and don't automatically just come like,

1:01:24 hey, I wanna help you save black babies,

1:01:26 'cause people are like, okay, that's off-putting.

1:01:28 But maybe you can help serve them in some particular way.

1:01:31 Maybe you could say, hey, I see you have an after-school program.

1:01:33 Hey, I see you have a food shelter.

1:01:35 I'd love to volunteer, you know, once a month.

1:01:38 Say I see you have a basketball camp,

1:01:39 like I'd like to bring my kids to that.

1:01:41 Whatever it is, and like building bridges,

1:01:44 and then through those relationships,

1:01:46 you know, you can have conversations.

1:01:48 And you can talk about abortion,

1:01:49 you can talk about different things,

1:01:50 because I think that if we go straight to the issue,

1:01:54 and say, okay, I'm gonna go in,

1:01:55 I'm gonna, you know, preach the message of life,

1:01:58 I'm gonna change hearts.

1:01:59 Like, you're not really gonna get through the front door,

1:02:01 because again, there's a lack of trust.

1:02:02 Like, you have to build relationships.

1:02:04 I spent three months in Mozambique, Africa.

1:02:06 And it was under a white woman's ministry, Heidi Baker.

1:02:09 But she would always talk about how American missionaries

1:02:11 would come in, and they didn't build relationships,

1:02:14 but they got a big platform, and a big truck,

1:02:16 and billboards, and they were like, here we are!

1:02:19 Like, we're throwing out food, and we're giving stuff.

1:02:21 And she said, people would take the food,

1:02:23 'cause they're hungry.

1:02:23 So they would take the food,

1:02:25 but there was no actual trust in relationship.

1:02:28 But she came in, started loving on people,

1:02:32 and now it's like she's part of their family.

1:02:33 Like, she's not just white lady from California,

1:02:36 she's mama Heidi.

1:02:37 And so our community is very welcoming.

1:02:40 You'll notice one thing about the black community.

1:02:42 They'll love you so much, they'll make you black.

1:02:44 Like, for certain people that they're like,

1:02:46 oh no, that's a, even my husband, he's black,

1:02:49 and his best friend, Brian is white,

1:02:51 and he's like, Brian's black, you know?

1:02:53 So like, you can be brought in so much

1:02:56 that like, you know, you're black in our eyes.

1:02:59 You're invited to the cookout,

1:03:01 like a lot of black people joke around and say.

1:03:03 But it's all, I think it's all really based on relationship.

1:03:06 So find where there's an opportunity

1:03:09 for you to build that relationship,

1:03:11 and kind of start there, and know that it's a long commitment.

1:03:15 It's not like a short commitment, it's long.

1:03:17 - Well, Christina to that point, it's like,

1:03:20 make sure it's a relationship

1:03:21 where your heart's in the right place.

1:03:23 So it's almost like missionary dating,

1:03:25 where it's like, this guy's really cute,

1:03:27 but he's really kind of rough, and like he drinks a lot,

1:03:29 and he gets and fights all the time,

1:03:30 but I think I can fix him.

1:03:31 It's like, no, no, no, no, don't go into that relationship,

1:03:34 trying to figure that part of it out.

1:03:35 So make sure the relationship is actually real and tangible,

1:03:39 but also understand, because I'm just like you,

1:03:41 like we had kind of a serious gang problem at my high school,

1:03:44 and I remember like the black guys that were in,

1:03:46 one of the gangs coming up to me saying,

1:03:48 Kyle, you're all right, man.

1:03:49 If you ever need us and you know what I mean,

1:03:51 you just let me know.

1:03:52 And I'm like, all right, but at the same time,

1:03:54 I had Redneck friends that were like,

1:03:56 Kyle, if you're ever stuck in a ditch somewhere,

1:03:58 or you need some help with this side or the other thing,

1:04:01 let us know.

1:04:01 And it's like, it's good to have those relationships

1:04:03 when you're the same person,

1:04:04 no matter who you're around, right?

1:04:06 Don't act more, don't act more,

1:04:09 don't act more Redneck when you're around the Rednecks,

1:04:11 and don't like act like you like music

1:04:13 that you don't like when you're around black people,

1:04:15 like don't do that, like just be your authentic self

1:04:18 and let them accept you or deny you based on that.

1:04:20 You don't wanna be accepted for who you're not.

1:04:23 And that's the one thing like

1:04:24 whenever you're talking to these groups of people,

1:04:26 truth still has to be at the center of everything.

1:04:28 And eventually, yeah, eventually your conversation

1:04:31 has to get towards truth because there are certain things

1:04:34 that you and I can disagree on that are opinions.

1:04:36 You think Red's the best color,

1:04:38 I think Blue's the best color, no one's right

1:04:41 in that scenario, but what's growing in the womb of a woman,

1:04:44 there's no opinion on that.

1:04:46 It's not like, oh, well, I think it's this

1:04:47 or I think it's that, no, that is a living human being.

1:04:51 It's not going to turn into something else

1:04:53 based on some random trimester structure,

1:04:55 but unfortunately for us today,

1:04:57 I feel like we could keep going all day, Christina.

1:04:59 We are out of time, but I really, really appreciate you

1:05:01 going into all this detail, but for now,

1:05:03 that is all for me, is there anything else

1:05:04 you wanna get off your chest?

1:05:06 - No, I would just tell people

1:05:07 if they aren't familiar with live action

1:05:10 to head over to our website liveaction.org

1:05:13 to our social media, we're on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

1:05:17 Facebook, YouTube, all the different channels,

1:05:20 and that's a great place for people to connect with us.

1:05:23 If you wanna connect with me personally,

1:05:25 I'm also on those different channels.

1:05:27 Black Pro Life Woman is my Instagram account,

1:05:29 and I think one day you should talk to my husband,

1:05:33 that's what I wanted to tell you to.

1:05:34 'Cause he is a very interesting story

1:05:36 about when he met me being, you know,

1:05:39 not, I don't even know if you've called himself Pro Life,

1:05:42 and now he's just like, he's like Super Pro Life,

1:05:45 and he talks to guys about it in like the way

1:05:48 that only a guy can talk to another guy,

1:05:50 and so he's a Coast Guard veteran,

1:05:53 he went to the Coast Guard Academy here in Connecticut,

1:05:55 now he's on the Alumni Board until he's,

1:05:57 you know, he's got a lot of interesting perspectives too, so.

1:06:00 - Well, I love that.

1:06:01 He's got an open invitation.

1:06:02 We can certainly make that happen,

1:06:04 and guys, we will have all that stuff

1:06:05 here in the show notes, and in one other quick point,

1:06:07 there is a way when you're talking to a man on this issue

1:06:10 where it just does come off a little bit different.

1:06:13 So when you're a man, like, I'll speak to mixed audiences

1:06:16 about this issue, there's a forcefulness and a strength

1:06:19 that a man can have, where it doesn't make the women feel

1:06:21 crushed and doesn't make the men feel so convicted

1:06:24 that they can't move.

1:06:25 There's a way that you can communicate

1:06:26 where people will be able to attach themselves

1:06:28 to your strength without being destroyed by it.

1:06:31 But anyway, so thank you for pulling that out there.

1:06:32 We'll talk about it off there

1:06:34 and see if we can make that happen, but Christina Bennett,

1:06:35 thank you for coming on Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.

1:06:38 - Oh, you're welcome, thank you.

1:06:39 - There you go, guys, I hope you enjoyed my time

1:06:41 with Christina, but before we let you go,

1:06:42 we are gonna do a quick resilience boost.

1:06:44 At Undaunted Life, our mission is equipping men

1:06:46 to push back darkness with content

1:06:47 that for just spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

1:06:50 So I've got three links for you today.

1:06:51 I've got a link to Christina's personal website,

1:06:53 a link to her Instagram where she does a lot of her stuff

1:06:55 on social media, and then also a link

1:06:56 to the live action website.

1:06:58 So you can check out all the other resources

1:06:59 that we talked about in this show.

1:07:00 All right, guys, thanks so much for listening to this show.

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1:07:22 And as always, we want to thank the band August Burns Red

1:07:25 for allowing us to use their music for our content.

1:07:27 The music on this podcast is our song "Cutting the Ties,"

1:07:29 which is off their 10th anniversary

1:07:30 re-recording of their album, "Leveler."

1:07:32 The links are in the description.

1:07:34 I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.

1:07:36 Remember, keep pushing back darkness,

1:07:38 keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

1:07:42 Keep seeking the lion of Judah.

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