CHAD ROBICHAUX | Rescuing Our Allies in Afghanistan and Ukraine (Ep. 302)

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0:02 - This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.

0:21 I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.

0:23 Hi guys, today we've got a return guest to our show.

0:25 His name is Chad Robachow.

0:27 He is a retired force recon marine.

0:29 He's also an Afghanistan combat veteran.

0:31 In addition to that, he's a pro MMA champion

0:33 and a fourth degree Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt.

0:36 He just got his fourth degree this year.

0:37 Also, he's a best-selling author, speaker.

0:39 He's the host of the Robo Show, that's his podcast.

0:42 He's the founder of the Mighty Oaks Foundation,

0:43 that is a foundation that helps out military veterans

0:46 that have PTSD or any other mental issues.

0:48 They do some great things.

0:49 But we basically don't talk about any of that in this show.

0:52 We spend the overwhelming amount of our time

0:54 talking about Save Our Allies or SOA.

0:57 So this organization, they saw what happened

1:00 in Afghanistan last year.

1:02 And as opposed to doing what most of us did,

1:04 most of us civilians or even people that are in NGOs

1:06 or even with the federal government

1:08 and they're just lamenting like,

1:09 "Oh, that really stinks.

1:10 How terrible is this?"

1:12 They decide to create an organization.

1:13 I say they and he'll talk about some of the folks

1:16 that he did this with, but Tim Kennedy, Sarah Verardo

1:18 and some other people that maybe can't be mentioned,

1:20 they decide they were gonna create an organization

1:22 and go out there and save these people.

1:25 That they weren't just going to lament what was happening

1:27 or wait on the federal government to do some things.

1:29 They were gonna go get our allies,

1:32 these American citizens, green card holders

1:34 or people that have a connection to the United States,

1:37 get them out of there and get them to safety.

1:39 And I jotted it down because I wasn't sure

1:40 about the number, but during the interview,

1:42 he said they saved 12,000 of our allies in 10 days.

1:47 In 10 days, him and his team saved 12,000 people.

1:53 People that would have been sold into sex slavery

1:55 or shot in the street or beheaded.

1:58 They're not really doing public executions anymore

2:00 'cause they're trying to seem like the Taliban

2:01 has moderated or things like that.

2:03 But we get into all of that in this interview.

2:05 We certainly spend a lot of our time talking

2:07 about Afghanistan, but then as soon as everything popped off

2:09 in Ukraine, save our allies was there.

2:12 SOA was on the ground helping people, helping with medevacs,

2:15 helping move people to safety, getting people

2:17 to where they could be taken care of.

2:19 But guys, this isn't just a slobbering love affair

2:21 on the stuff that they did.

2:22 I did push back and challenge in some areas.

2:24 It was a very positive interview overall.

2:26 But I did ask about, hey, how do we know that everybody

2:29 that we quote unquote saved from Afghanistan

2:32 came over here and they're not just a bad guy?

2:34 You know, maybe we created a bunch of sleeper cells

2:36 here in the United States by bringing all these people

2:39 over here, you know, what about that?

2:40 How did we vet these people?

2:42 He goes into a lot of detail with that.

2:43 Also with Ukraine, it's an incredibly corrupt government.

2:46 We know that, so is all this money that's going through

2:49 the United States federal government going over to them?

2:51 Your tax dollars?

2:53 How can we guarantee that that's going to actually

2:55 buy bullets in ammunition and missiles for these folks?

2:58 And it isn't just going to line the pockets of people

3:00 in government over there.

3:01 We get into all that.

3:02 Guys, this was such a good conversation

3:04 because one thing for a lot of us,

3:06 we try to build our opinions based on our favorite

3:08 political commentators' opinions.

3:10 You know, whether you're on the right or the left,

3:12 you know, you're going through and looking at it

3:14 through their lens.

3:15 And so you're looking at something like what happened

3:17 in Afghanistan, Ukraine, through their lens

3:19 and not your own lens.

3:19 And the reason is, is because you got a job.

3:21 You got kids, you got things to do.

3:23 You got soccer practice.

3:24 You got, you know, baseball practice.

3:25 You got all these things.

3:26 You don't have time to sit there and break down

3:27 exactly what's happening.

3:28 And then even if you did have the time,

3:30 how are you going to get the right information?

3:32 How do you know the stuff that you're listening to

3:34 and that you're hearing is the right information for you?

3:36 Is accurate?

3:37 You don't know that.

3:38 Well, he and his team are on the ground

3:40 in both of these areas.

3:41 So you're going to get a peek behind the curtain

3:42 as to what's going on right now in Afghanistan

3:45 and the Ukraine that you're not going to be getting

3:46 from Fox News or MSNBC or the New York Times

3:49 or even the Daily Wire.

3:51 There's going to be a lot of things that you're hearing

3:52 in this that you will have not heard before.

3:54 And guys, I'm not going to keep them from you any longer.

3:56 So without further ado, let's get into it.

3:59 Chad Robocho, welcome to "Daunted Life of Man's Podcast."

4:02 - Thanks, man.

4:03 Thanks for having me on.

4:04 - Yeah, absolutely.

4:05 We're glad to have you back.

4:05 I mean, in the last podcast, we talked a lot about

4:07 your personal history, kind of how you got an MMA jujitsu,

4:10 a lot of stuff you've done with Mighty Oaks Foundation

4:12 and guys, you can find that in one of our old episodes.

4:14 But a lot has changed in the world

4:15 since the last time you came on this podcast.

4:17 I think you came on pre-pandemic

4:18 if my memory serves me, and so literally nothing is the same.

4:22 But we're going to spend a lot of time talking about the stuff

4:24 that you're doing now, and we'll get into the organization

4:26 and all that here in a second.

4:27 But I always like to ask guys that served overseas

4:31 in a combat role, which you did in Afghanistan,

4:34 kind of what your thoughts were whenever Afghanistan fell,

4:38 whenever we decide that we were going to pull our troops

4:40 and pull our presence out of Afghanistan,

4:41 we'll get in a second to kind of what you did

4:44 to counteract some of the evils that were being done.

4:46 But just simply as a veteran,

4:48 as an individual veteran, Chad Robachow,

4:50 when you saw that we were pulling out

4:52 and you saw what was happening on the ground,

4:53 what was your reaction?

4:55 - Well, I mean, I guess the first word

4:58 that comes from my mind is disgusted.

5:00 I mean, I have a lot invested in Afghanistan.

5:03 I did eight deployments there.

5:04 My son did a deployment there.

5:06 I buried 15 friends that went to Afghanistan.

5:10 So I have a lot invested and not only that

5:12 from my side as a service member,

5:15 but as someone who has become very close to Afghans

5:19 and Afghan culture and Afghan friends,

5:21 knowing what would happen to them,

5:25 I've been around military a long time,

5:28 almost 30 years now,

5:29 understand what decisions like the decision was made has

5:32 on the not only United States and on national security,

5:36 but on the world, on the people of Afghanistan,

5:38 just based on the knowledge I have,

5:40 it was just immediately disgusting to me

5:41 because I knew it was not only the wrong decision,

5:45 but I knew the catastrophic effects

5:48 that a decision would have.

5:50 And unfortunately, I didn't want to be right,

5:52 but unfortunately, I was right

5:54 and we're seeing it continue to unfold now.

5:56 - Right.

5:57 Well, I've talked to a lot of veterans on this show

5:58 specifically and to be honest with you, Chad,

6:00 none of them used that word.

6:01 None of them used the word disgusting.

6:03 It was surprising and disappointing and horrible and all that.

6:06 I guess, give me a little bit more

6:08 on the disgusting side of it

6:09 because it wasn't because you had some, I guess,

6:12 middle knowledge or further knowledge

6:14 of what this was exactly going to lead to,

6:16 was it because of, 'cause I think that is an appropriate word

6:19 to describe the leadership, if you can even call it that,

6:22 from the White House and on down,

6:23 the leadership in our military

6:25 to allow something like this to happen.

6:26 It almost seems like they had to have some other plan.

6:29 You know what I mean?

6:30 - Exactly.

6:31 - So why discussed?

6:32 - That's where the word discussed comes from

6:34 because to me, it wasn't a decision made

6:38 for the best interests of America and the world.

6:40 And when decisions are made,

6:42 and look, I'll prep this with this.

6:46 I didn't vote for Joe Biden.

6:47 I never would vote for Joe Biden.

6:48 But that has nothing to do with that.

6:50 It didn't matter who was in the White House.

6:51 If Donald Trump was in the White House

6:52 and made the same decision,

6:53 my reaction would be discussed.

6:56 This decision was made outside of the best interests

7:00 of America, our national security

7:03 and the safety and safety of the free world.

7:07 And what were those motivations,

7:10 motivating factors for those decisions?

7:12 I have my suspicions,

7:15 but no one would really know

7:16 because the intelligence community recommended against it.

7:20 The Joint Chiefs recommended against it.

7:22 Everyone recommended against the decision

7:24 to pull out from Afghanistan the way we did.

7:26 And the White House chose to do it anyway.

7:28 Knowing the repercussions would be,

7:30 again, the impact of our national security,

7:34 the horrific effects on Afghan people.

7:39 When you're talking 40 million people,

7:41 20 million women, immediately sex slaves

7:44 and all of our allies to be abandoned, left there,

7:48 murdered, there's to be murdered right now,

7:50 Americans to be abandoned and left there.

7:52 Yeah, it's disgusting.

7:55 We don't leave Americans behind.

7:57 We don't do this to our allies

7:58 and we don't turn over innocent people

8:02 who can't defend themselves to a terrorist organization.

8:05 And then turn over the world's most strategic location,

8:08 which is bottom air force base,

8:10 surrounded by Iraq, Iran, Russia, China.

8:13 You don't turn that over and just give that away

8:16 for no reason.

8:17 And there was no reason to do it.

8:18 It was disgusting.

8:20 - Well, we'll get into how you and some of your close friends

8:23 decided to respond to that here in a second,

8:24 but I do want to pry a little bit more

8:26 into some of your suspicions

8:27 as to why we would do this

8:30 because it didn't seem like a strategic move

8:32 from the outside, but I'm not privy

8:34 to all the information that even you're privy to,

8:36 much less than people in the White House.

8:38 One of the more interesting takes I've heard

8:40 was I believe it was Dakota Meyer,

8:42 mutual friend of ours as well.

8:43 That was on Joe Rogan experience.

8:44 And he said, well, why would they leave all the aircraft

8:48 and home fees and weaponry and all that behind?

8:51 Well, so that these contractors can continue making

8:54 those things and get us ready to go for the next war,

8:57 which will inevitably happen

8:59 because of the power vacuum that's been created there.

9:01 That's being overcame by China and Russia

9:04 and that they're kind of filling the gap.

9:06 I feel that's a little bit conspiracy theory-ish,

9:08 but if the last two years have taught us anything, Chad,

9:11 it's only a conspiracy theory

9:12 until we get the evidence that says it's true.

9:14 So if you were in, and I know some of that's private

9:17 and you don't have to just go full force

9:18 as to why you really think.

9:20 But in your wildest imagination,

9:22 if you were to actually try to peg

9:24 why they did this move, why they gave up Bagram,

9:27 like help me understand

9:28 because it still keeps me up at night.

9:30 - Well, most conspiracy theorists at this point

9:32 are called profits.

9:33 Now, the way we see things unfold.

9:38 There's plenty of things I was told,

9:39 I was had conspiracies about including things in Afghanistan

9:42 that turned out to be very true and validated now.

9:46 For me, the big reason that President Biden gave

9:49 was that we were in a 20-year war, it was the endless war,

9:53 and we had to get our troops out.

9:54 No more American laughs would be lost.

9:57 But, and I think it was said so much

10:00 that people actually started believing

10:02 that we had to leave,

10:04 maybe we just need to leave a different way,

10:06 a right way, there was a better way to leave.

10:08 That's not true at all.

10:08 We weren't supposed to leave, we should not have left.

10:10 We wasn't in a 20-year war, wasn't an endless war.

10:13 In fact, we were, we were had anywhere

10:15 from 2,500 to 4,000 troops there at a time.

10:18 In Japan, since World War II, we have 80,000 troops.

10:22 And in Germany, we have 40,000 troops.

10:24 And in South Korea, we have like 35,000 troops.

10:27 These are rough numbers.

10:28 But we've been there since World War II, so why leave

10:32 with only 2,500 troops there or 4,000 troops there?

10:36 We have done what should be done in a situation like this.

10:39 We had an international presence,

10:40 the entire world was participating

10:42 in this international effort to keep terrorism at bay

10:45 in Afghanistan by using Bagram Air Force Base.

10:48 One of the things that President Trump had proposed

10:50 with his withdrawal was to hand the Bagram Air Force Base

10:53 over to the international community.

10:55 We were gonna continue to support and advise

10:57 the Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police

11:00 to keep the Taliban at bay.

11:02 I don't wanna agree with President Trump's negotiation

11:04 with the Taliban.

11:05 I don't think any president should have done that.

11:07 But nonetheless, they did.

11:08 And in doing that, we, in doing that negotiating

11:13 with the Taliban and the White House,

11:15 the President White House continue to do that.

11:18 They chose to leave and they use the excuse

11:21 of not keeping in this war.

11:24 The truth is, the only person that had to gain

11:27 from this, you can't really,

11:29 you can't really gather someone's attention.

11:30 So you look at what someone had to gain.

11:32 The only people that had gain in this is really two nations.

11:36 I mean, you can say three, you can say Russia,

11:38 but mainly China and Iran.

11:41 China wanted the mineral rights

11:43 to the Hindu Kush mountains for lithium rights

11:46 and they wanted it forever.

11:48 People were calling me a conspiracy theorist

11:50 for saying that we would give up Afghanistan.

11:52 So China could get those lithium mineral rights

11:54 from the Hindu Kush mountains.

11:56 But the day we left and the very next day,

12:00 those mineral rights were given to China by the Taliban,

12:03 billions of dollars worth of lithium.

12:06 In addition, the only thing that sits between

12:08 China who needs oil and Iran's sanctioned oil

12:12 is Afghanistan, the United States military.

12:14 The United States military had to move out of the way

12:16 for China and Iran to belt the trade oil.

12:20 And additionally, third and probably most importantly,

12:23 the most strategic place on the globe today's present world

12:26 is Bagram Air Force Base.

12:28 It sits between Iraq, Iran, Russia and China.

12:31 And it's very, for us to give it up,

12:34 the United States to give it up

12:35 without giving it to the international community,

12:37 it's treasonous to the world.

12:39 I mean, those are big words, but it is.

12:41 I mean, why did we not consult with the rest of the world

12:44 with Germany, Britain, France to say,

12:47 we're gonna give this base up.

12:48 The only people we consulted with

12:50 was not even the Afghan government, was the Taliban.

12:53 The only people we consulted with.

12:54 When we left, when we started to leave,

12:58 not only did we leave before we evacuated our civilians,

13:02 which is obviously common sense is catastrophic,

13:05 but we left, we abandoned Bagram Air Force Base first.

13:10 As we abandoned Bagram Air Force Base, we left.

13:13 I'm told up to, and the numbers been,

13:15 but up to $85 billion worth of equipment and technology

13:20 and classified technology.

13:23 We left that there.

13:25 When the Taliban started moving,

13:27 and I've been in these rooms before,

13:28 you see them on this, the rooms full of satellite imagery,

13:32 you can see the Taliban moving,

13:34 75,000 strong from Pakistan,

13:36 from the FATA area, the Federal Minister of Tribal Area,

13:39 as they would have seen this coming,

13:41 Central Command, Syncom, said,

13:43 "Hey, we need to re-secure Bagram Air Force Base."

13:46 One, to be able to have a secondary evacuation point

13:49 to H. Kaya airport, airport in Kabul,

13:52 and two, to belt to secure our equipment.

13:55 Central Command planned to jump the 82nd Airborne

13:58 onto that Bagram Air Force Base to recapture it.

14:01 The White House shot that down and turned it off.

14:04 No one knows the reason behind that,

14:06 but not only did we cut off our secondary evacuation point,

14:10 but we left and abandoned all that equipment there.

14:13 - When you said several times there are a chat

14:14 about the international community,

14:16 technically there's not an international community,

14:18 that every country has their own interests,

14:20 central to their planning.

14:21 So that's part of it, I get what you meant by that.

14:23 But also, doesn't this just bring up

14:25 all the kind of shady dealings with the Biden family

14:29 and the country of China?

14:31 Because again, we weren't allowed to talk

14:32 about the Hunter Biden laptop

14:33 and some of the things that were going on there.

14:35 But again, before we get into the conspiracy theory stuff,

14:37 'cause that's gonna send us down a rabbit hole

14:39 where Bulch is gonna end up [inaudible] off.

14:40 Let's come back to the stuff that you decided to do with it,

14:42 because almost immediately, almost immediately after

14:45 all this was falling and the world's trying to like,

14:47 catch up with the news cycle and figure out

14:48 what exactly is going on there.

14:50 You and some of your close buddies that many

14:52 in our podcast audience will recognize,

14:54 decided that you were just gonna sit on the sidelines,

14:56 you were gonna make something happen

14:57 and you started an organization again,

14:58 almost immediately called Save Our Allies.

15:01 So I wanna read the mission of Save Our Allies

15:03 and then I just wanna tee it up to you

15:04 to kind of give us the ideas to kind of,

15:06 how did this idea come to force

15:08 and then what did y'all end up doing?

15:09 But from your website, the mission is,

15:10 our mission is to rescue American citizens,

15:13 permanent residents, SIV holders and other special

15:15 populations from conflict zones in contested areas.

15:18 For those brought to the United States,

15:20 we helped them navigate the many challenges

15:21 of being a refugee in order to form a successful

15:24 and productive life here at home.

15:26 So why do that immediately as opposed to just doing

15:29 what the rest of us did,

15:30 which is just to look at our screen

15:31 and lament what was happening?

15:33 - Well, I mean, for me, it was honestly,

15:35 it sounds, I could make myself sound great,

15:38 but it was very selfish.

15:39 I did it and those eight deployments I did

15:41 on a JSTOC task force.

15:42 I had an interpreter named Aziz.

15:45 He started off as my interpreter.

15:47 He became my teammate and then he became a winning participant

15:51 in all my operations.

15:52 So really, when I was running around Afghanistan,

15:55 supporting my JSTOC operations, it was me and him.

15:57 I did, I went all across the mountains of Afghanistan

16:01 and in the Pakistan with him.

16:03 He saved my life three times,

16:06 probably more than that, but tangibly three times.

16:08 I seen him do so many brave things

16:09 for American service members.

16:12 And he's just an amazing human being.

16:14 He's my friend, his family's close to me.

16:16 I've been trying for six years to get him out

16:18 in a special immigrant visa process,

16:20 which is only supposed to take nine months.

16:22 And this American hero who's never been in America

16:25 had never got a fair shake through that process

16:28 and I couldn't get him here.

16:29 And so when I seen this news coming down,

16:32 I'm like, man, I can't let my friend

16:36 and his wife and six kids be killed

16:37 because he would have been killed.

16:38 He was already, as soon as the Taliban got there,

16:41 he was already being hunted by one of the Taliban members

16:44 who we had a long story about a Taliban member

16:46 that we were affiliated with.

16:47 So he was having to move house to house.

16:49 And so I called some of my friends

16:52 that I worked in JSOC with.

16:55 I called Tim Kennedy, who you and I both know.

16:57 I know he's coming on your show soon.

16:59 Not 'cause he's popular.

17:00 I know it's time for being popular,

17:02 but because he's a ASO level three,

17:04 Green Beret sniper, he's very skilled

17:08 and specific skill sets that I was looking for.

17:10 And I trust him, he's my friend.

17:12 And so I called the people I trusted

17:14 and I put together a team of about 12 guys.

17:17 I say, I, we put together a team about 12 guys.

17:20 And as we're planning to go get his ease, his wife

17:23 and his six kids, we recognize

17:25 that there were other people who need help too,

17:27 particularly one of the team members

17:29 who's also a Green Beret,

17:30 but also worked for the CIA as a power military officer,

17:35 really trained in persistent rescue operations.

17:38 He identified 3,500 orphans that were going to be left there.

17:42 And we said, man, if we're going to go get his ease

17:43 in his family, let's get these kids too.

17:45 Then it kind of sparked a, let's pause.

17:48 If we're going to do this, how many people can we help?

17:51 And so we decided to help as many Americans,

17:53 interpreters, their families,

17:55 vulnerable women and children

17:56 and Christians that we persecuted.

17:58 And we didn't, we had a very good plan

18:01 of how we were going to do it.

18:02 I mean, obviously we bring a lot of experience to the table,

18:04 but we knew part of that plan was that we needed support,

18:07 that we were not going to get from the United States.

18:09 We had some connections in the UAE,

18:11 United Arab Emirates country with the royal family there.

18:14 We gave them a briefing and they agreed

18:17 to give us some incredible support.

18:20 Two C-17 planes with pilots,

18:22 access to the humanitarian center

18:25 to bring people there, humanitarian center,

18:27 a place set up our operations center.

18:29 And in addition to that,

18:31 I started that out of my foundation,

18:34 Body Oaks Foundation as a campaign called Save Our Allies,

18:38 partnered with a lady named Sarah Verardo

18:40 who runs the Independence Fund.

18:41 We came together to do this.

18:43 She ran the operations center IDC

18:44 to start vetting the people we're trying to get out

18:47 'cause we had to vet them and put them through joint chiefs

18:49 to make sure we're getting to write people out

18:51 unlike what was done, the mass amounts,

18:54 the White House took out.

18:56 And so this week, we went to Afghanistan

19:00 under the permission of the DoD to land on HKIA Airport,

19:04 which is Hermit Karzai International Airport.

19:07 We landed there with the permission of DoD,

19:10 set up operations center in Abu Dhabi with the UAE.

19:13 And we were running all of our manifests

19:16 through the joint chiefs to get approval.

19:18 And so we would put three-man teams outside the wire

19:22 to go out and grab specific targeted groups of people

19:25 and sneak them back into the airport,

19:27 manifest them and fly them to the humanitarian center

19:30 in Abu Dhabi.

19:30 That very first day, we got Aziz, his wife and six kids

19:35 and about 183 people.

19:38 The second day, about 800 people.

19:40 The third day, about 1,000.

19:42 And I can tell you that after that became a blur

19:44 because no one was sleeping, everyone was just 24/7.

19:47 And we didn't know how much time it would have

19:49 because we didn't know how long the military

19:51 was gonna control.

19:52 The US military was gonna control the airport,

19:54 which by the way, I don't believe we ever controlled the airport.

19:56 I could get into the NEO operation

19:58 if you wanted to, the non-combatant evacuation operation.

20:00 If you want to.

20:01 But we didn't know how much time we were gonna have.

20:05 But at the end of 10 days, that's when the military left

20:08 and we realized we kind of tallied it up

20:10 and we had rescued about 12,000 people,

20:12 some amazing people that I got privileged to working with.

20:16 Tim's just one of them.

20:18 Not the name I can't mention, but C spray.

20:20 And a guy named Sean, just on the ground,

20:23 just pulling people out every day.

20:24 It was just an incredible 10 days.

20:26 And then, but when that 10 days was over

20:28 and we got just 12,000 people out,

20:30 I think we knew too much and we knew we couldn't leave

20:33 when the military left.

20:34 And so we continued on operations up to about 17,000 people.

20:38 And then there's another operation I can tell you about

20:41 where we have no idea how many people we got out

20:44 of a second operation.

20:46 - Well, real quick, before we get in,

20:47 'cause I do want to hear about the non-combatant operation

20:49 and getting into that a little bit

20:50 in the other operation that you alluded to.

20:52 But for those, like me, a civilian

20:54 that doesn't really understand what y'all were able to do,

20:57 'cause technically, most of you guys

20:58 and most of the people on your team are civilians.

21:01 Were y'all authorized to be able to go hot if need be?

21:04 If y'all got stuck as you're kind of sneaking people

21:07 to the airport, if you got caught at a,

21:09 caught by the Taliban or caught by some other group, ISIS K,

21:11 like, did y'all need authorization of any kind?

21:14 Like I didn't hear of any reports of, you know,

21:16 rogue actors, you know, in the streets of Afghanistan,

21:20 kind of pulling people out and getting in firefights.

21:22 But could y'all have done that?

21:24 - You know, it's a really good question.

21:27 I think as we select a team like this,

21:29 you wanna make sure you're putting people on the team

21:31 that have got that out of their system.

21:33 They're not wanting to go fight.

21:34 I had hundreds of email emails coming in from people,

21:37 like even with Ukraine and Afghanistan as well.

21:39 Like, hey man, I wanna go over there and get some.

21:41 It's like, hey, over the last 20 years,

21:43 why you wouldn't get now they're getting some?

21:45 Like, you know, I mean, we had plenty of opportunity to do that.

21:48 This wasn't the opportunity to do that.

21:51 This was the opportunity to rescue people

21:53 and try to avoid any conflict at all.

21:55 So we were, our guys are very experienced professionals

21:57 already had that out of their system.

21:58 They were not looking to fight.

22:00 Thankfully, nothing happened with anyone.

22:02 I don't know of any incident where anyone had to engage.

22:06 I mean, there were some face-to-face confrontation

22:09 with some Taliban, but I think they didn't want any trouble

22:13 as much as any of our guys didn't want any trouble

22:15 because they just wanted Americans to leave, you know.

22:19 Now they were shooting people right in front of a,

22:21 right in front of, you know, everyone.

22:25 They didn't care.

22:26 But they were mainly targeting other Afghans.

22:29 The Americans that I know that they were messing with

22:31 were not Americans doing rescues.

22:33 The Americans they were messing with

22:35 were people trying to get to the airport.

22:38 They were taking their blue passports

22:39 and beating them up and sending them back home.

22:42 But that's the extent of what I'm aware of.

22:44 - Okay, well, go ahead and get into that

22:46 non-combatant operation that you were talking about

22:47 a second ago.

22:48 - Yeah, so a lot of people may have heard it in news,

22:51 listen to new operations with non-combatant,

22:53 which means non-combatant evacuation operations,

22:56 which I think is really important to know

22:58 that this is a DOD function,

22:59 Department of Defense function.

23:01 When something bad happens in any part of the world,

23:04 the military is responsible to rescue non-combatants

23:09 from a combat environment, from a hostile environment.

23:12 That's the United States military's

23:15 part of their role to do that.

23:17 The State Department is a diplomatic organization

23:21 and it's separate intentionally from the DOD, right?

23:23 The DOD is like your strong arm.

23:26 The State Department's your, you know,

23:28 people that's gonna have diplomatic negotiations

23:30 and things like that, economic negotiations thing.

23:32 So there's separated for reasons.

23:34 The new operation never belongs to the State Department.

23:39 The White House chose to take the new operation

23:41 away from the DOD and give it to the State Department,

23:44 pulling the State Department in charge of this operation.

23:47 Horrible decision.

23:50 I don't know what has ever been made before

23:51 and the result would be what we got.

23:54 I mean, they treated the, the State Department treated

23:57 the airport as if it was an embassy,

23:59 meaning that we could defend anything inside the airport,

24:02 but anything outside, we're not gonna go out and do anything.

24:05 So now our United States military became

24:07 embassy guards for the airport.

24:09 They wasn't allowed to leave,

24:11 they wasn't allowed to defend themselves.

24:12 They seen an American fighting for their life,

24:15 just outside that airport perimeter.

24:17 They were not allowed to engage or go out there and help them.

24:20 They witnessed, our US servicemembers witnessed

24:22 Americans being turned away, being beaten by Taliban.

24:26 Our US servicemembers witnessed innocent Afghans

24:28 being killed and decapitated right in front of that gate

24:31 and were not able to do anything about it.

24:33 That was the result of the new operation being given,

24:36 taken from the DOD by the White House

24:37 and given to the State Department.

24:39 Other countries like Britain and France

24:42 were flying over the gates of the airport

24:45 to go get their people, we were not allowed to do that.

24:48 I do know that some of our JSOC units

24:50 when it gets specific people, that did happen,

24:54 that came out that did happen,

24:56 but for most part, evacuations were not happening

25:00 once they secured the airport.

25:02 With the new operation being run like that,

25:04 people would say that we control the airport,

25:06 but anybody with combat experience understands

25:08 whoever controls out of perimeter of somewhere

25:11 controls that ground space inside of it.

25:13 The State Department gave the Taliban control

25:15 of the other perimeter of the airport.

25:17 They controlled who came in and out of it,

25:19 that vicinity of the airport,

25:21 which means we never controlled the airport.

25:23 This is catastrophic of running a new operation

25:25 'cause you're not controlling the noncombatants

25:27 that you're trying to evacuate.

25:29 The Taliban is, and they were asking for things like

25:33 more time or more access for US citizens.

25:37 They're negotiating with a terrorist group

25:41 and one of the things, kind of one-on-one,

25:43 when negotiations, you never give a deadline,

25:46 but the White House gave that deadline

25:48 and the Taliban just had to hold out

25:49 and hold that out of perimeter until we left.

25:52 And when we left, we had thousands of Americans still there.

25:56 And I'm not exaggerating the White House at the time,

26:00 said we had 100, that number has been contested

26:03 and even in a Senate hearing, the blanket Senate hearing,

26:06 that number was contested because just on the White House's

26:08 map that didn't add up.

26:10 But even if the White House was right,

26:12 that we only had 100, it doesn't matter.

26:15 To me, the world I came from in military special operations

26:18 is we don't leave one American behind,

26:20 even somebody like Berndahl who does something stupid.

26:23 We will scorched earth around that person

26:25 that will rescue them and use every bit

26:27 of military might and strength to go get them.

26:29 That's what Americans do.

26:30 That sort of gives Americans that sense of freedom and peace

26:33 to travel around the world.

26:34 And we didn't do that.

26:36 We told Americans we were gonna leave them behind and we did.

26:39 And they're Americans still there today

26:41 that you won't ever hear about because they don't have

26:44 an outlet because they're inside of a closed,

26:47 controlled Afghanistan by the Taliban

26:49 that they're never built to reach out for help.

26:51 And they don't know who's there because there's no way to know.

26:55 - Chad, it was unfathomable.

26:58 Some of the things I was hearing

26:59 out of the administration while all this was going on.

27:01 But one of the common things I kept hearing,

27:02 not just from the administration,

27:03 from a lot of people in the media

27:04 or blue check marks on Twitter,

27:06 is how this is a different Taliban.

27:08 - I don't think of them as the guy in the man jams

27:11 with AK-47 or chopping off the heads of people.

27:13 Like these are sophisticated people

27:15 and like we can negotiate with these people.

27:17 But it's like, I feel like we lost sight of the fact

27:19 that, no, these are our enemy.

27:21 This is the same group that harbored al-Qaeda,

27:23 you know, Osama bin Laden, you know,

27:24 during the whole 9/11 era.

27:26 And it seems like we've forgotten

27:27 which side of the ball that they're on.

27:29 They're not on the same side as us.

27:30 They don't have the same morality

27:32 as what we're trying to do as a country.

27:34 But I guess whenever you're going out to do these missions,

27:37 kind of to go back a little bit

27:38 to what y'all were doing on the ground

27:39 to save our allies, help me understand

27:42 how you guys know who you're getting out.

27:44 'Cause you'll get into Ukraine here in just a second as well.

27:46 Part of the concern, again, as an ignorant civilian,

27:50 is you see these plainfills of people,

27:52 whether it's y'all's plainfills of people

27:54 or Glenn Black's plainfills of people

27:55 or the US government's plainfills of people.

27:57 And you're like, how in the world do we know

27:59 who these people are?

28:00 Did we just create a bunch of sleeper cells here,

28:03 you know, stateside?

28:04 Like when you're going out there,

28:05 how do you know who they are?

28:06 How do you know where they are?

28:07 How do you know you can get them out safely?

28:09 - Yeah, one is a really good question

28:11 and a very valid concern.

28:13 And by the way, when you saw my Glenn Black's people,

28:17 I want to thank Glenn Black

28:18 because a lot of the planes that we flew out

28:21 were paid for by Glenn Black and Mercury One,

28:23 Rudy Atala, those guys.

28:25 So a lot of our flights were the same people

28:27 as Glenn Black's people.

28:28 We were getting a lot of those planes

28:30 were being paid for by him.

28:31 So when you see these mass groups getting on airplanes,

28:36 this was the part of that failed neo-operation.

28:41 Thousands of people fled into gate.

28:42 I mean, if you're in a survival situation,

28:45 the strongest of the strongest of the strong

28:47 are going to make it to the gate, right?

28:48 Not the women, not the children.

28:50 When they let the, when they opened the prison

28:54 of Bagram Air Force Base, they said many of those people

28:56 went straight to that gate at H.K.A. and people made it through.

28:59 So that's who was making it to the gate.

29:02 The US military had to respond by direction of the White House

29:06 and say, hey, we need to sort of evacuate people

29:08 'cause that's what the public pressure wants, right?

29:10 So they're landing empty planes

29:12 and they need to fill those planes.

29:14 The military cracked the gate.

29:16 Whoever the strongest was would make it through the gate.

29:18 They were going this holding hanger

29:19 that was supposed to spit about 15,000 people.

29:22 People were dying in this hanger.

29:24 They did no vetting of these people at all.

29:29 They didn't even know who they were.

29:31 And they would go on those planes

29:32 and fly straight to the United States

29:35 and go into our refugee centers in the United States

29:37 on bases and then they can leave at any time they want.

29:41 Zero vetting at all upwards of,

29:45 I don't know the exact number.

29:46 I think more like 80,000 people were flown out that way.

29:49 Our process was much different

29:53 and any other NGOs process was much different.

29:55 We had to do several things.

29:58 When we had to have the people that were attempting

30:00 to rescue on a manifest, they had to have

30:05 some type of documentation.

30:07 Either it had to be a blue passport holder,

30:10 a green passport holder at SIV,

30:12 which is special immigrant visa applicant

30:14 with a application number, a family member of.

30:17 They had to have been a part of an orphanage

30:21 or like vulnerable women that were in a vulnerable women group

30:26 or from a church group.

30:27 And then we would valid,

30:30 we had a seven points of bona fides

30:32 that we would make sure that was actually the person

30:35 we did outside the wire, not inside the airport,

30:38 outside the wire.

30:39 And I don't wanna say what their seven points are

30:41 because that's kind of goes into our means and methods

30:43 of how we validate people.

30:44 But we would validate that's who they are.

30:46 And then we would, once we did that,

30:48 they would bring them into the airport

30:50 and then they would go through a biometrics system

30:53 and then they would get on a plane

30:54 and that plane wouldn't fly them to the United States.

30:56 It would fly them to a third party lily pack country

30:59 where they go undergo a State Department review.

31:01 And some of them, most of them are still undergoing that.

31:04 I mean, as these, it's just got to United States last week

31:06 after eight months of that in Abu Dhabi.

31:09 So we're not a State Department.

31:11 We don't say if someone's a good guy or bad guy.

31:13 We did everything we could to get them to that point

31:15 and then the State Department

31:16 and that lily pack country did that.

31:18 So two very different groups,

31:22 and I'm not bashing a DoD,

31:24 a brave many women uniform are doing what they were told to do

31:26 and they were dead in a possible job there

31:29 under the White House that put them under impossible situations.

31:32 However, those planes that the DoD flown out

31:35 were embedded people that came to the United States

31:37 and we should be concerned.

31:38 We very much should be concerned.

31:40 The planes that the NGO community have flown out of there

31:43 are the bad guys in those.

31:47 I don't know why a bad guy

31:48 won't leave a brand new country that they were given,

31:50 but if they did, you know,

31:52 they have to go through a State Department process

31:54 and that's the process we followed.

31:56 - Well, let's talk a little bit more about that.

31:57 And I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this

31:58 'cause we got a lot more ground to cover

32:00 with Afghanistan and Ukraine.

32:01 But one thing, and again,

32:03 I tinge all of this through the lens of,

32:05 hey, I'm an ignorant civvy.

32:07 There's a lot of things that I don't know

32:08 and I think that's a good lesson for everybody.

32:10 Express when you don't know something

32:11 'cause then you give someone the opportunity to teach you.

32:14 Whenever I was seeing these evacuation pictures

32:16 of those men that you described

32:18 that we're obviously strong enough to push their way through

32:20 and get on those planes,

32:21 I was looking at a bunch of military aged males

32:24 who supposedly were people that weren't tally

32:28 that they weren't bad guys as you just described them.

32:32 And I'm wondering myself as an Oklahoma,

32:35 as a patriotic American,

32:37 if that's something like that were happening in this country,

32:39 the amount of pushback, just me and my crew, guys,

32:42 my personal foxhole here,

32:43 that we would push back and try to fight against the tyranny

32:46 that was befalling the country that I was in.

32:49 And again, I don't want to be needlessly offensive

32:52 or judgmental about a group of people

32:53 because I was not on the other side of the gun, they were, right?

32:57 - Right.

32:58 - And I do think personally,

32:59 we saw so many military aged males

33:01 that were just willing to, yeah,

33:03 I would like to volunteer for one of the first places

33:05 on the plane, I'll go ahead

33:06 and let the country of my forefathers burn.

33:08 - Yeah, I mean, one, I think we,

33:11 I'll say that we see an opposite of that in Ukraine right now.

33:14 - Exactly.

33:15 - I mean, you get women staying there fight,

33:17 you get 200,000 Ukrainians who went back to Ukraine

33:20 to fight, left freedom to fight.

33:22 But in Afghanistan, it's a little bit different, you know,

33:26 and I'm not defending everybody's position there.

33:29 But I will say this,

33:30 one of the things that did bug me was when Biden,

33:32 President Biden got on the microphone and said,

33:36 you know, we can't help these people

33:38 that won't fight for themselves.

33:39 And that's just not true,

33:41 that they won't fight for themselves.

33:42 'Cause for 20 years, 60,000 Afghans died fighting

33:47 for that country.

33:49 They were, they were given support by us,

33:52 they were given air support.

33:54 They were totally equipped by us.

33:55 And you had to imagine that they felt

33:57 that they were completely not only abandoned,

34:00 but given away to the enemy.

34:02 When you took away the air,

34:04 and gave the country to the Taliban.

34:06 And I don't think, again, it's not defending them,

34:09 but I don't think they knew how to react.

34:11 And, you know, when you've seen some of the Afghan soldiers

34:16 laid on their arms, you've seen some of them crying,

34:18 begging out to give up their arms.

34:20 It was just heartbreaking for me,

34:23 'cause I've seen, again, I don't know all of them,

34:25 but I've seen so many Afghan warriors,

34:30 such patriots for the country fighting for their daughters

34:33 to be able to go to school,

34:34 worrying to lay down their lives.

34:35 I've seen Afghans, like literally,

34:37 you could be in a convoy,

34:38 and the Afghan vehicle is gonna be first,

34:41 because they don't wanna US service members

34:42 to get killed first.

34:44 They'll drive over an IED,

34:45 the vehicle blows up, kills everyone in.

34:47 And the next week, Afghans are gonna be

34:50 in that first vehicle again in a convoy.

34:52 I mean, willing to die for Americans.

34:54 And, you know, Azim's would never let me go

34:56 around a corner first in the middle of the night

34:58 in a Taliban villager in mountains,

35:00 even though I had more military experience than him,

35:01 'cause I was his guest, and he didn't want me to be safe.

35:04 You know, that's for the warrior spirit these guys had.

35:07 When you take over the air overnight,

35:08 when you give that country to the Taliban

35:11 without talking to them,

35:12 I think it broke their will and they panicked.

35:16 I mean, they didn't think,

35:19 they didn't feel like they were fighting Taliban anymore.

35:21 They felt like they were abandoned and getting away.

35:23 And I think some of that is what you see.

35:26 - Yeah, I think that's understandable.

35:27 Again, I would encourage anybody

35:28 that's still mad at the Afghans for not fighting again.

35:31 You were sitting in your air conditioned house,

35:33 eating Cheetos whenever you made that statement.

35:35 So it's always good to kind of remove ourselves

35:36 and kind of try to put ourselves in their shoes.

35:39 Before we move on to Ukraine,

35:40 what is your understanding?

35:41 It's not really understanding,

35:42 'cause you do still have boots on the ground there.

35:44 As to the current state of affairs in Afghanistan,

35:46 because I remember I've got some friends

35:48 that are over that are doing some things over there.

35:50 And some things are way worse than we expected.

35:53 Some things are not nearly as bad as we expected.

35:55 But what is the current state

35:57 of what's going on for the people of Afghanistan

35:59 and kind of what do we see in the near future for them?

36:02 - Well, we do know that they're still hunting people down.

36:04 They're searching houses, they're arresting people.

36:06 They're executing people.

36:08 They're not doing public executions

36:09 from what I'm aware of, they're dragging people off.

36:13 I get a lot of stuff from people directly in Afghanistan.

36:18 Unfortunately, there's gonna be no media

36:19 because we gave them ability to cut any media out.

36:23 They control, it's like North Korea now.

36:24 There's a vacuum, no one knows.

36:26 It's an information vacuum.

36:27 No one knows what's actually really going on there.

36:31 How many Americans are there?

36:32 What Americans are facing?

36:34 How many of our interpreters were there facing?

36:37 But we just hear their stories.

36:39 And it's very difficult now to evacuate someone from there,

36:44 'cause even as you get them out of Afghanistan,

36:48 you can't just get someone out of Afghanistan.

36:50 You have to have a country legally bring someone too.

36:53 You can't smuggle someone an Afghan

36:57 into someone else's country.

36:58 If I go grab an Afghan and bring them to Pakistan,

37:01 well, I'm illegally immigrating them in the Pakistan

37:04 or I'm illegally bringing them to Abu Dhabi

37:06 or to America, right?

37:08 So there's rules to this.

37:11 And so it's really sad because I get emails and messages

37:15 every day, like, please help me, my father was killed.

37:18 It's me and my sisters, we're gonna be killed,

37:22 we're gonna be raped, we're gonna be married off.

37:24 And without a country to be able to bring them to,

37:28 you can't help.

37:30 And so the amount of help we're able to offer now

37:32 is very limited, is very tragic.

37:35 It really breaks my heart that the world,

37:37 not just America, I can be mad at our own country,

37:40 but the world is allowing this to happen.

37:43 Just a few years ago, the whole MeToo movement

37:45 was such a big thing, right?

37:47 A hashtag MeToo, right?

37:51 But now you have 20 million Afghan girls

37:54 that were going to school months ago,

37:57 educating themselves and embracing freedom.

38:01 And now they're gonna be sex slaves to the Taliban

38:06 and the whole world sits silent

38:08 and pretends it never happened.

38:09 It doesn't wanna talk about it in the news

38:11 and the White House just wants it to go away

38:13 as fast as possible.

38:15 And this is the consensus across the world,

38:17 no one wants to talk about it.

38:19 And it's horrific, and then I'll go back

38:20 to that word I started off with today, it's disgusting.

38:23 - Well, no one wants to talk about it because it's horrific.

38:26 And that's the thing that a lot of people

38:27 is the news cycle moved on, so most people moved on.

38:30 I think it was two weeks after all that.

38:32 I talked to a bunch of people

38:33 that I've had on the show before, veterans,

38:34 and they kind of gave me their very quick thoughts

38:36 as to what was going on there.

38:37 And then I did my own show

38:38 where I kind of gave my quick thoughts.

38:39 And I basically said, and I'm like, we're gonna forget

38:42 about this almost immediately

38:44 because Trump's gonna say something in an interview

38:46 or Joe Biden's gonna poop his pants on camera

38:48 or something else is going to happen.

38:50 And we're not gonna think

38:51 that we need to talk about this anymore.

38:53 And part of that is seemingly happening

38:55 with the country of Ukraine.

38:56 So I'm gonna read this from the website

38:58 and then we'll get into why you guys made a shift here.

39:00 But SOA, that's Save Our Allies,

39:02 is involved in multi-pronged efforts in Ukraine

39:04 and surrounding nations by one,

39:06 conducting on-ground evacuations of non-combatants,

39:09 children and elderly and disabled out of Ukraine.

39:12 And two, forming a team of former soft providers,

39:15 ER physicians, surgeons, nurse anesthetists,

39:18 physician assistants and medics

39:19 to provide direct medical support

39:21 to execution of theater medevac.

39:23 So you guys didn't shift focus completely away

39:26 from Afghanistan.

39:27 You still have ongoing operations there.

39:30 As soon as all this stuff happened with Ukraine,

39:32 you kind of sent things in that direction.

39:34 And as you alluded to earlier,

39:36 it's a much different war zone, I guess you could say.

39:38 It's a much different place.

39:40 So take me through that.

39:41 You guys saw another need happening in the world

39:43 and you decided to move some of your attention

39:46 to that direction.

39:47 So take me through that.

39:48 - Yeah, totally a different environment.

39:50 In between, we actually want to stop being able

39:53 to fly people out of Afghanistan.

39:54 I'll say that we built, we went on a border

39:56 and myself and one other,

39:58 one other former special operations guy

40:01 went in to a neighboring country

40:03 and built routes out of Afghanistan.

40:05 And so people could actually move themselves

40:07 out of Afghanistan.

40:08 So I wanted to say that.

40:09 We did that about 10 day operation.

40:12 We went on the ground and crossed border

40:13 and built routes out.

40:14 And as that was wrapping up,

40:16 we were doing some evacuations of about 200 girls

40:20 from Pakistan and then Ukraine kicked off.

40:23 And we put someone in the ground before the invasion.

40:27 One of our team members, C spray,

40:29 he's a ground force commander and a Ukraine right now.

40:32 He was in Ukraine when the invasion happened,

40:35 monitoring it.

40:36 And we knew, we knew, you know, we,

40:40 hey, we have the people, we have the ability,

40:42 we're stood up, we're stood up already,

40:44 we have the ability to help here.

40:46 There are Americans there that are still trying to move out.

40:49 They didn't think this would happen as fast as it did.

40:52 Or as West as it, as quickly as it did.

40:55 And so we started helping to get people out.

40:58 As we've watched it though,

40:59 we've seen that there were so many NGOs responded

41:02 and there was the ability to get a bus

41:04 and drive a bus across and open a door

41:06 and let people get on the bus and drive across.

41:08 So, you know, we're not gonna do what everybody else can do.

41:12 And that's not being condescending to anyone else.

41:14 It's like, let's do it, no one else can.

41:16 I mean, that's what special operations does.

41:17 We always do it when no one else can't,

41:19 what seems impossible.

41:21 And so we started focusing on

41:23 some early precision rescue operations.

41:25 Some of our guys on our team come

41:26 from intelligence community, intelligence agencies.

41:29 They have some specific skill sets

41:30 and precision rescue operations,

41:32 rescuing people that can't self-evacuate

41:35 either they're like a high profile target

41:38 or they're critically injured

41:40 or they're just non-mobile, those type of people.

41:43 So that's one of the things we focused on in Ukraine.

41:47 We were able to move out 47 disabled people

41:50 that had just been in a bomb shelter that was bombed

41:53 and a hundred disabled people were killed

41:56 and the 47 survivors were able to be part of that rescue.

41:59 We Benjamin Hall, a Fox News reporter.

42:03 If you guys seen the Fox News reporter Benjamin Hall,

42:04 that was catastrophically wounded.

42:07 I don't wanna say specifically as women's were,

42:08 but we were called to go get him.

42:11 When we got to him, he had 48 hours to live

42:15 and he was very wounded and we were able to get him out

42:19 and went back a few days later

42:22 and I actually drove Pierre, his cameraman's body out

42:25 and drove his body to his wife

42:27 to deliver his body with dignity to his wife.

42:32 So those are types of rescue operations we're doing.

42:35 We're also building infrastructure in place

42:38 to sustain rescue and support operations

42:41 should the cellular network and power go down.

42:44 So off-grid communications packages

42:49 we're putting throughout the country.

42:50 So kind of like a special operations mission

42:52 that we're getting set up throughout the country.

42:55 And so we've been very successful with that operation

42:58 as well as moving medical support forward

43:00 to very critical areas and having medical mobility to build

43:04 to move wounded people, maybe not just on the country,

43:07 but to a safer place to play different hospitals

43:10 and places in the country.

43:12 And so that's the type of missions

43:13 that we're currently doing in Ukraine right now.

43:16 And I just got back and I'm heading back in a few days.

43:18 - Yeah, I heard that.

43:19 I can't believe the hours that you guys are putting in.

43:22 Guys literally off air, as I was telling them

43:24 about the interview, he was eating.

43:25 He was like eating like in between things,

43:27 like just trying to make sure you can keep fuel in the body.

43:29 So it's impressive what you guys are doing.

43:31 I'm curious for you and this may be hard to answer

43:33 because you're actually on the ground

43:35 and your people are on the ground.

43:37 But if you could pull yourself back a little bit,

43:38 I want to get your opinion as to the world's response

43:41 to what's going on here because yeah, you know,

43:43 some people are like, oh, you're Russian.

43:44 You can't compete in the marathon or something like that.

43:47 And it's like, okay, those things are kind of kitschy

43:48 and kind of cute.

43:49 We're punishing athletes that have nothing to do

43:51 with what's actually happening.

43:52 But I just heard a report literally this morning.

43:54 This is going to be released literally.

43:56 We're recording this the day before.

43:57 This is released of mass graves of the Russians

44:00 kind of hiding people in these mass graves,

44:03 hundreds, if not thousands of Ukrainians are being buried.

44:06 That's not really being talked about.

44:07 But, you know, there are some people that are very much so,

44:09 like send in everybody,

44:11 send in the entire full force of the United States military,

44:13 you know, enforce a no fly zone.

44:15 All of our other allies should do the exact same.

44:18 And then there's other people that are like,

44:19 dude, I don't want to send our 18, 19 and 20 year old

44:21 young men to go fight and die for somebody else's country.

44:25 We should defend Ukraine's borders,

44:26 but not our own Southern border.

44:28 So I've seen a bunch of opinions

44:29 and, you know, they're varying levels of being informed.

44:32 So from your perspective,

44:33 how do you feel about the international response

44:35 to what's gone on here?

44:36 And are there some misconceptions out there as well?

44:39 - Well, I mean, America's been hours on this.

44:42 First of all, this should never have happened.

44:43 And not a Biden Trump thing,

44:46 but a President Biden made some catastrophic decisions

44:49 and policy that allowed this to happen.

44:52 Mainly with economic effects of oil trade.

44:57 I mean, cutting off our pipeline,

44:58 opening up the large stream to pipeline,

45:01 taking sanctions off of that all allowed this to happen.

45:05 I mean, we're still buying 17 million barrels of oil a month

45:08 weeks into this thing going down.

45:10 So this is the, to me, this is the result

45:14 of the United States leadership and poor policymaking.

45:18 When I first, when this first kicked off,

45:20 I would have told you 100% absolutely,

45:22 there's no way the United States military should get involved.

45:25 I'm gonna go as a citizen and go help people,

45:28 not the Ukrainian government.

45:29 I'm gonna go help people that need help,

45:32 but there's no way the United States military should get involved.

45:35 Young men and women in the United States military

45:36 should never be killed doing this.

45:38 I'll say from my position on the ground there,

45:43 and what I've seen, not heard on the news,

45:45 but what I've seen with my own eyes,

45:48 my position has changed, you cannot,

45:52 I don't want the United States military

45:53 going to war with Russia.

45:55 I don't want American men and women dying in a war like this,

46:00 but this is not about America and Russia or anything.

46:02 This is, the world cannot allow a superpower

46:07 to kill innocent women and children.

46:09 No one wants America to go to war.

46:11 No one wants war three,

46:13 especially people like me that have seen war,

46:16 but we cannot as a civilization allow a world superpower

46:21 to launch telephone pole size ballistic missiles

46:26 in the neighborhoods that can't be allowed.

46:30 And I think that comes up point in a line

46:34 where the world, not just America,

46:37 but the world has to step up and say, no more.

46:40 This isn't allowed.

46:41 We don't care if you want Ukraine

46:43 or if it's undisputed, this is not allowed.

46:45 We cannot kill innocent civilians like this

46:49 with as a world superpower.

46:50 It's not okay.

46:51 And I think that point has come.

46:53 And I think, I don't think,

46:55 I'm not saying we invade tomorrow

46:58 and 'cause I don't think Russia,

47:00 I think when you talk about Russia's athletes

47:02 not being allowed to, 95% of Russians do not support this.

47:07 This isn't a war of the Russian people.

47:09 This is a war of Vladimir Putin

47:11 who used to be looked at as calculated,

47:14 but is now looked at as a mad man out of control

47:18 and will do anything at all costs to take Ukraine.

47:22 And he won't stop there.

47:23 And we know at this point he won't

47:24 because they already announced

47:25 that they're gonna go after Moldova.

47:27 I think Moldova's how you say it.

47:28 Next.

47:29 And then if you go in the border in Korkao and Poland,

47:34 the Polish people are terrified

47:35 because they feel like they're gonna be next.

47:38 So there has to be a line somewhere.

47:40 And I think it's time that the United States

47:44 and the world's allies,

47:46 put that line in the sand and then stick to it,

47:48 or it's gonna get worse.

47:50 - Wouldn't that be something?

47:51 Yeah, if we drew a red line and actually stuck to it.

47:53 And I think just on last week's episode,

47:55 or an episode that I did,

47:56 I talked about how I don't think

47:58 that Vladimir Putin is crazy.

48:00 I think he's still well calculated and that type of thing.

48:01 I'm wondering if it's because

48:03 he's been getting a bunch of wrong information.

48:05 He's been having a bunch of generals tickle his ears

48:07 for all this time.

48:08 And he thought he had capability

48:10 that he doesn't actually have.

48:11 And now he can't lose face.

48:13 He's gotta say face somehow.

48:14 So it's, you know-

48:15 - It's true for that.

48:16 - Yeah, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

48:18 But, and I've heard you talk about this

48:20 and you alluded to it a little bit a second ago

48:22 and you've talked about this on other interviews.

48:24 There is a grave concern about the overall corruption

48:28 of the Ukrainian government,

48:29 not the Ukrainian people and you always delineate

48:31 between the two very well.

48:33 But I am concerned as an American taxpayer

48:35 that pays a considerable amount in taxes.

48:37 When my tax dollars, every couple of weeks

48:39 where there's this new announcement of $800 million

48:42 or a billion or this many, this much,

48:44 that's gonna be going over there

48:45 so that they can help defend themselves.

48:47 And, you know, from a basic morality standpoint

48:50 and defense standpoint,

48:51 I want them to be able to do that.

48:52 But then I'm like, how much of this money,

48:54 just like it was in Afghanistan,

48:55 is not being funneled to people fighting on the ground,

48:58 but it's being funneled to people

48:59 that are just aligning their pockets

49:00 and creating generational wealth for themselves.

49:03 So help me understand how I should feel about that

49:05 because there's some dissonance there for me.

49:08 - Yeah, I mean, I've got to ask this question a lot

49:10 on social media people, like, why are you out there

49:13 helping in Ukraine about Zelensky's corrupt

49:17 and the Ukrainian government's corrupt?

49:19 Well, first of all, if we started from there,

49:21 our government's corrupt and our president's corrupt.

49:23 And every politician that I've ever known

49:27 since the beginning of politics has been corrupt.

49:30 And when you talk about funding a war,

49:32 I mean, the person that's profited the most

49:35 of the 20 years of war in Afghanistan

49:37 has been U.S. politicians and U.S. lobbyists, right,

49:41 and contractors.

49:42 So there's always gonna be that, you know,

49:46 I'm not saying it's okay and we should definitely,

49:49 but to not make moral decisions based off of that fear

49:52 is not a good direction for us to go.

49:55 I don't support the Ukrainian government.

49:56 I don't support Zelensky.

49:58 I think he's really charismatic and popular.

50:00 He was a comedian.

50:01 He's a spokesman.

50:02 He's a charismatic guy.

50:04 He says all the right things.

50:06 It doesn't mean he's a good person.

50:08 But that's not the, whether we think Zelensky's corrupt

50:12 or whether you think the Ukraine government is corrupt

50:15 or not, it's not the decision.

50:16 This should be the deciding factor

50:18 as if we protect humans, civilians,

50:22 that are being killed by a world of superpower.

50:24 That's my position on it.

50:27 And I think people need to start separating it too,

50:30 'cause I think one of the things that I've been hearing

50:32 a lot to, and you mentioned it earlier,

50:33 is like, why should we be over there?

50:35 Defending Ukraine's borders

50:36 when we're not defending our US borders.

50:38 It's like, can we do both?

50:39 We shouldn't have to choose between one or the other, right?

50:42 We could do both.

50:43 - And we should be able to hold two disparate thoughts

50:46 in our mind at one time because everything,

50:49 because on Twitter, everything is zero sum.

50:51 Everything is either black or white.

50:53 It's binary, but the real life is not that way.

50:55 We can focus on two fronts.

50:56 We can fight a war on two fronts.

50:58 Like everyone just kind of puts this thing

50:59 through that lens.

51:01 I guess to kind of put a bow in this Ukraine situation,

51:04 because literally the reason why we're releasing

51:05 this episode so soon after recording

51:08 is because everything could change tomorrow.

51:10 Your best guess, and don't worry,

51:12 the world's gonna be very, very cautious with you

51:14 if you turn out to be dumb down the road.

51:17 Where do you see this going?

51:18 Because some people are thinking

51:19 that Vladimir Putin is crazy.

51:21 He's lost it.

51:22 Eventually, he's just gonna launch a new can say F it.

51:24 I don't care anymore.

51:25 And then there's other people that say,

51:27 he's gonna dig in and do what every has to do.

51:29 He's gonna take troops from Belarus

51:31 and from other places and bring them in.

51:33 And he's just gonna wait out the Ukrainians

51:35 'cause he knows he has more bullets.

51:36 He knows he has more people.

51:38 And then there's everybody giving different things

51:39 in between.

51:40 But from what you've seen on the ground

51:41 and from your experience with warfare

51:42 and international policy and whatever,

51:45 where do you think this is going?

51:46 And how quickly are we gonna get there?

51:48 - Well, usually I hope I'm wrong.

51:50 And so I hope I'm wrong with this.

51:52 I don't see Russia backing out

51:55 and I'll see Ukraine backing out.

51:57 This is gonna be a long drawn out.

51:59 Just a fight that's gonna cost,

52:02 it's gonna continue to cost thousands and thousands of lives

52:05 unless the world steps in and if the world steps in,

52:08 it's gonna cost thousands of lives as well.

52:10 Unless the line's putting a sand

52:12 and Putin responds to that line in the sand.

52:15 But I mean, I can't speak for Zwinski besides what he said

52:19 publicly, which everybody's heard,

52:21 that he's not backing out.

52:22 I'm not gonna give an inch.

52:22 Not gonna give up any land.

52:24 But I was sitting in a,

52:26 I was in Chernobyl, Ukraine.

52:30 I was in a basement of a safe house.

52:31 Kinda like it felt like World War II

52:34 'cause like it's dark, gloomy, cold, air sirens are going off.

52:38 And I'm meeting with a pastor in the basement

52:40 of a safe house from the underground church.

52:42 And it's like, and I'm asking him the same question

52:45 you're asking me, how's this gonna end?

52:47 And he's like, we're gonna win.

52:49 And I'm like, how?

52:51 And he said, well, they can't win

52:53 unless they kill every single one of us.

52:55 This is a pastor.

52:56 He's like, they have to kill every one of us.

52:57 We will not, you want new crane will give up.

53:00 And you're talking about people

53:02 where like I said earlier, 200,000 Ukrainians

53:05 from around the world have went back to fight.

53:07 I drove across that border and at a 30 year old woman

53:09 who went and allowed to walk across the border,

53:11 asked me for a ride 'cause she had went and dropped

53:13 her kids off in Poland.

53:15 And now she went to go back to fight with her son.

53:16 I drove her across the border and dropped her off.

53:18 She walked in 10 degree weather out in the woods

53:21 'cause I was going to opposite direction.

53:23 We dropped her off.

53:23 She's going back to fight.

53:25 These people are not gonna give up.

53:26 And the more, and the more dug-in and resilient

53:29 are to fight, the more that Russia's gonna keep

53:32 getting their butt kicked and they're gonna have

53:34 to escalate and escalate force.

53:36 And they're gonna have to bring in more people

53:38 and more bullets and they keep getting embarrassed.

53:41 I think the reason they're getting embarrassed

53:43 is they're gonna just to go train

53:44 as well as like a paper tiger.

53:46 We, I were surprised.

53:48 I was like, man, when I'm watching their logistical train

53:51 fail the way it has, it kind of made me a little bit

53:54 of confidence in America's military force

53:57 and our capability in the world.

53:59 But yeah, I will see it getting worse.

54:01 - Well, as you were talking through that, Chad,

54:03 it reminded me of Vietnam to where at a certain point

54:07 the United States military realized

54:09 they're gonna make us kill all of them.

54:11 And there was this unwillingness,

54:13 and again, I'm bastardizing and painting

54:15 with an incredibly broad process.

54:16 - That's true.

54:18 - But if it's the same thing more morally,

54:21 we were unwilling to just eviscerate

54:23 the entire country of Vietnam.

54:25 And so we kind of licked our wounds and got out of there.

54:27 When you talk to guys that were on the ground

54:28 fighting over there, it's like, hey, we got,

54:30 we gave way more than we got, but they certainly got.

54:33 But the same thing is true over here

54:34 is we don't have any of this compunction

54:36 that Vladimir Putin has that moral stance,

54:38 that he is unwilling to wipe Ukraine off the face

54:41 of the planet.

54:42 And so I am curious to see kind of where that goes

54:44 into the future.

54:45 - You're right, it's the same scenario as Vietnam,

54:48 but Vladimir Putin's much, and Russia's

54:51 metallates much different than ours was.

54:53 - Yeah. - You're right.

54:53 - I hope you're wrong too.

54:54 I hope you're wrong that this continues to escalate.

54:57 I hope you come off with egg on your face

54:58 down the road and something works out.

55:00 But I got to say, I'm a very pessimistic guy,

55:02 especially with stuff about this.

55:04 And it's been worse than I ever could have imagined,

55:06 even just paying attention the way that I have.

55:08 But for Save Our Allies, one thing that I'm curious about

55:11 is so there's a book that we have on our book list

55:13 on our website, the 100 books,

55:14 every modern Christian man should read the list.

55:16 It's called Left of Bang.

55:17 I'm sure you're familiar with a book like that,

55:19 but bang is whatever the thing is.

55:21 So maybe that's when the active shooter

55:22 takes his first shot, when the bomb vest is exploded,

55:25 when the whatever happens, that's bang.

55:28 And most people live right of bang, right?

55:30 So something happens.

55:31 Now I got to react to it.

55:33 A lot of people freeze up.

55:34 A lot of people make bad decisions

55:35 just because they're living right of bang.

55:37 So from that perspective, using that description,

55:40 Save Our Allies has kind of been right of bang.

55:42 You know, things go bad in Afghanistan,

55:45 and then we react.

55:46 Things go bad in Ukraine, and then we react.

55:48 Do you see Save Our Allies into the future

55:51 staying right of bang?

55:52 Because to a degree, it's hard to know

55:55 what part of the country or what part of the world

55:58 is going to completely devolve overnight.

56:00 Nobody was expecting this time last year

56:02 that Russia was going to invade Ukraine like this.

56:05 Is that where y'all are going to play?

56:07 Are y'all going to continue being right of bang?

56:08 Is there a way to be left of bang?

56:10 - No, I think we're more left of bang

56:14 than most other people for Afghanistan

56:15 because of the fact that I was already working

56:18 to get a Z's before Afghanistan really kicked off.

56:22 So we're like July, but I would still consider it

56:26 right of bang.

56:27 But Ukraine, we're a little bit further left

56:29 because we already had a team in place

56:31 and people and some infrastructure

56:32 and a 501(c)(3) set up.

56:34 And so we're getting there.

56:36 I hope, honestly, like, I have no ambitions

56:39 of a run by the Oaks Foundation.

56:41 That's the foundation I run

56:43 to help wounded veterans of PTSD

56:45 and on the spiritual side of recovery and readiness.

56:50 I wish that could go away.

56:51 I wish there was no need for that.

56:52 I wish I could shut it down.

56:54 I really wish that Save Our Allies

56:56 was something I could say.

56:58 That was fun while I lasted.

57:00 Glad we were able to help a lot of people.

57:01 We don't need it anymore.

57:03 But unfortunately, that probably won't be the case.

57:06 And so as we go, not only after Ukraine,

57:09 but right now, currently, we're trying to be in a position

57:14 to be more ready and more left of bang for the next one.

57:17 And that's just recognizing where the world is right now,

57:21 how unstable the world is,

57:24 and how these organizations need to be set up

57:26 and be prepared to respond quickly.

57:29 And that's what we're trying to do.

57:32 - Yeah, and I appreciate you bringing up Mighty Oaks

57:34 'cause I did want to spend at least just a little bit of time

57:36 on that because I'm basically going to get rid

57:38 of the last like third of the podcast

57:40 that I was going to ask you about.

57:41 Because asking you about, you know,

57:42 what do you think about Mighty Mouse's chances

57:44 in another Muay Thai fight doesn't seem to really resonate

57:47 right now with the audience based on what we're talking about.

57:50 Although I would like to talk a little jiu-jitsu.

57:51 We'll do that when things settle down here down the road.

57:55 But for our audience members

57:56 that are not aware of Mighty Oaks Foundation,

57:58 guys, don't worry, I'll have in the show notes here

57:59 to where you can get all the information you need to

58:01 and know how you can support,

58:03 save our allies in Mighty Oaks.

58:04 But give our audience an idea of what Mighty Oaks is

58:07 and kind of what you guys are working on right now,

58:08 even with all this other stuff going on.

58:10 - Yeah, I mean, where Mighty Oaks is,

58:12 we're a faith-based veteran service organization.

58:14 We stood up after I came home from eight deployments

58:17 and dealt with a lot of things that many of our service

58:20 members do with,

58:21 with anxiety and depression, PTSD, attempt to take my life.

58:26 And then, you know, through the redemption of my faith

58:27 and the relationship with Christ, I got better

58:32 and had a burden that got put in my heart to help others.

58:35 And so 11 years ago, we started Mighty Oaks Foundation.

58:37 In the last 11 years,

58:38 I've been able to speak to 250,000 troops

58:41 on active duty and based around the world on resiliency,

58:44 spiritual resiliency, I speak at places like

58:46 Marine Corps Boot Camp and units all over the world.

58:50 And then given away a bunch of our books,

58:53 I've given away about 150,000 copies of my books.

58:56 We have a recovery program called a legacy program.

58:59 Currently, we're doing about 35 camps a year.

59:01 They're six days long.

59:02 And it's a non-clinical, peer-to-peer,

59:05 faith-based mentoring program

59:07 that's followed on by lifelong aftercare.

59:09 And so in the last 11 years, we've had 4,300 graduates,

59:12 but we're doing about 1,000 per year now

59:14 and everything's for free.

59:16 We even pay for the flights.

59:17 People come in military orders from the veteran community,

59:20 spouses, first responders.

59:22 And again, we even pay for their travel.

59:24 And then the third thing we do is we do a lot of advocacy stuff

59:27 in Washington, D.C.

59:28 I've worked on a lot of faith-based policy.

59:31 President Trump had appointed me

59:32 to the Chairman of the White House Faith-based Coalition.

59:34 We got executive order signed

59:35 and did the prevents bill to bring faith programs

59:37 back in the VA and DOD.

59:39 And so we had a lot of tremendous success there.

59:41 And then with, I mean, Mighty Oaks was the foundation

59:44 that starts Labor Allies. We've seen a need.

59:47 And we had a 501(c)(3) in place.

59:49 We already did international programs.

59:51 And so we launched in partnership with Sara DiBarardo

59:54 and Independence when we launched Labor Allies from Mighty Oaks.

59:57 And so that's just some of the things

59:58 that we do at Mighty Oaks.

1:00:00 Incredible organization.

1:00:01 We are currently relocating our headquarters to Texas.

1:00:05 And we have ranches all over the country,

1:00:07 California, Ohio, Virginia, Texas, and Montana.

1:00:14 We did some of my channel last year.

1:00:15 But we have ranches that we bring to veterans too.

1:00:18 All the students too.

1:00:19 You guys really do fantastic work.

1:00:21 To degree, I wish we could have spent the last hour just talking

1:00:24 about Mighty Oaks because of stuff that you're doing.

1:00:26 But the other stuff seems so pertinent in our faces.

1:00:28 And there's a lot more bloodshed happening

1:00:29 on that side of things.

1:00:30 But we'll go ahead and end it here.

1:00:31 And for any of you guys that thought I misspoke earlier,

1:00:34 saying that Mighty Mouse fought a Muay Thai fight.

1:00:36 Just like two weeks ago, over in one championship,

1:00:38 he fought Rod Tang in a mixed martial arts fight

1:00:41 where the second and fourth round were MMA

1:00:42 and the first and third round was Muay Thai.

1:00:44 So guys, I know my stuff.

1:00:45 Stop trying to pretend like I don't know my stuff.

1:00:47 All right, but let's kind of end it here.

1:00:50 Give me-- I want the Chad Robocho State of the Union

1:00:52 in terms of the United States.

1:00:54 Because there's no shortage of things

1:00:56 to be outraged about if you're an American.

1:00:58 Whether it's the stuff that we've kind of talked about,

1:00:59 how we're viewed on the international stage.

1:01:01 Whether it's Joe Biden somehow getting 81 million votes

1:01:04 because it was obviously a completely fair election that

1:01:07 happened.

1:01:08 Trying to figure out is Trump going to run?

1:01:10 Is the Santa's going to run?

1:01:11 Is Disney going to try to groom all of our kids?

1:01:14 Like, there's so many things in America right now

1:01:17 that seem just absolutely insane.

1:01:18 So I'm just going to turn it over to you.

1:01:20 What are some things that you're worried about for this country?

1:01:22 But also, I know you're a very optimistic guy,

1:01:24 as opposed to me.

1:01:26 What are some things that we can look forward to in terms

1:01:28 of, hey, we are the United States.

1:01:29 Things aren't as bad as they may say.

1:01:31 Well, first of all, I'll say with 81 million votes,

1:01:33 I was curious when I went into the airport the other morning,

1:01:36 which is the first day I flew since the massacre off.

1:01:39 And I've seen about 99% of the people with their mask

1:01:42 off when they could have had them on.

1:01:44 And that made me realize they probably

1:01:46 want 81 million votes.

1:01:47 Maybe, maybe not.

1:01:48 I'm going to go too far.

1:01:49 I don't want to get this off you.

1:01:52 So yeah, I mean, sometimes Americans on the left and right

1:02:00 need to learn hard lessons.

1:02:01 And I think over the last year, while meeting me not

1:02:04 admit, they're learning some hard lessons

1:02:07 on those who hated President Trump, who are so radical,

1:02:12 who are so radically against conservatism,

1:02:15 they're starting to learn some hard lessons,

1:02:16 whether it be at the gas pumps, whether it

1:02:18 be they're feeling the fear of national security,

1:02:21 they don't feel safe anymore, or they're

1:02:23 seeing things like Afghanistan and Ukraine

1:02:26 and saying, hey, I didn't like President Trump.

1:02:29 His tweets remain.

1:02:30 But I'm not OK with this happening in the world.

1:02:32 And the world does feel like a more unstable and less safe

1:02:35 place.

1:02:36 I think what we're seeing is people being woken up to that.

1:02:40 And I hate the word woke.

1:02:41 But I think the word woke right now

1:02:43 has actually had a 180% and I think people

1:02:46 are being woke the other way in realizing

1:02:48 that this far left socialist movement

1:02:53 that they were trying to drive our country to,

1:02:55 people were waking up and realizing this isn't a good thing.

1:02:58 And President Biden is not in charge of our country.

1:03:01 Whoever is is making terrible decisions.

1:03:03 And it's costing lives around the world,

1:03:06 security around the world, and instability,

1:03:09 both economically and from our national security.

1:03:12 So I think people are waking up to that.

1:03:13 And just in timing, the midterms are coming.

1:03:16 And I don't have a lot of faith in our election system.

1:03:19 We've seen that in the last round.

1:03:20 But I think they would have to cheat pretty, pretty obviously

1:03:24 to stop the midterms.

1:03:25 And if we can win, when I say we, if America,

1:03:30 free loving America can win the midterms,

1:03:33 I think we have the ability to really turn

1:03:35 this country around.

1:03:38 It's terrible what's happened to this country in last year.

1:03:40 But I still believe in America.

1:03:42 I believe in the people of America.

1:03:44 And I think the loud, the loud, small view is nothing

1:03:51 to the silent majority.

1:03:52 And the silent majority sort of wake up.

1:03:54 And I think we're going to see that in the midterms.

1:03:55 I'm really optimistic for that.

1:03:57 When I think the silent majority so-called,

1:03:59 they're getting a lot louder now.

1:04:01 And one thing that I'm enjoying seeing out of a lot of conservatives

1:04:03 is conservatives used to be like, OK, push on me, push on me,

1:04:06 push on me.

1:04:06 That's fine.

1:04:07 But I'm going to keep you at arms distance.

1:04:08 And I'll push back a little bit.

1:04:09 Now we're assuming to go on offense in a lot of ways.

1:04:11 And we're pushing back in ways where the marketplace is recognizing.

1:04:14 But again, the reminder to everybody's elections have consequences.

1:04:17 Oh, you want to sit there and lament, but you didn't vote, right?

1:04:20 You live in a swing state.

1:04:21 You live in a purple state.

1:04:22 You lament the things that are going wrong on this planet.

1:04:25 And yet you're not voting or you're voting for candidates

1:04:27 that are actively doing things against what you say you believe in.

1:04:30 So again, we went everywhere in this conversation.

1:04:32 I really appreciate your time, especially since you just got back.

1:04:35 You're just about to leave again.

1:04:36 I know this was hard kind of squeeze in the sense.

1:04:37 So my audience is certainly going to be appreciative of it.

1:04:39 But as for now, that is all for me.

1:04:41 Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?

1:04:43 Nope, unless it last closing thought with that as I'm not

1:04:46 spiteful person, but maybe a little bit with this.

1:04:49 I hope gas prices go up to $10 a gallon.

1:04:52 So people feel it.

1:04:53 I'll pay it just so people can feel it.

1:04:55 So people need to realize, you know, the consequences of these things.

1:05:01 The way we're headed right now, it would not be a shock to anybody.

1:05:04 But Chad Robocho, thank you so much for coming back

1:05:06 on Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.

1:05:08 Thanks, man.

1:05:08 God bless.

1:05:10 There you go, guys.

1:05:11 I hope you enjoyed my time with Chad Robocho.

1:05:13 But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost

1:05:15 and indaunted life.

1:05:16 Our mission is equipping men to push back darkness

1:05:18 with content that for just spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

1:05:21 So the links I've got for you today,

1:05:22 I've got a link to the Save Our Allies website

1:05:24 and also the Mighty Oaks Foundation website.

1:05:26 And then I've got all of the different social media platforms for Chad.

1:05:29 So the Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook,

1:05:31 so you can keep up with everything he's got going on.

1:05:33 All right, guys.

1:05:33 Thanks so much for listening to the show.

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1:05:55 And as always, we want to thank the band,

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1:05:59 The music on this podcast is our song, "Cutting the Ties,"

1:06:02 which is off their 10th anniversary

1:06:03 re-recording of their album, "Leveler."

1:06:05 The links are in the description.

1:06:06 I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.

1:06:08 Remember, keep pushing back darkness,

1:06:11 keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

1:06:15 Keep seeking the lion of Judah.

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1:06:19 I know I live, there's a heart in life.

1:06:24 I know you want, there's a side in my head.

1:06:29 There's a virtue, you will be revived.

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