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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Sometimes when you're living through history you don't know it. But like tonight we lived
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through history and we're actually doing some history right now because this is probably the
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first time in the history of the universe that we have converging podcasts, three converging
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podcasts. We've got Deepin, we've got resilient and Undaunted Life. So I just need to know like
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from you guys because you haven't really done much like with your career, your resume is kind of
1:44
wack. But like what's it feel like to have this like tremendous meeting on the minds, you know?
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Does it feel special? It doesn't feel like that at all does it? It feels like that.
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That's what I'm trying to build it up to guys that I know pretty good that I'm just going to
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catch up with. That's what it actually feels like. Hey, don't put all my ideas on me. I think
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I think today feels special. So I'm kind of tying it together with we had a real special day.
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You called and killed an alligator today. I did. Was that cooler than talking? Spoke it 11-22.
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Yeah, it was it was cool. But it wasn't as cool as the engagement of those men. It wasn't just like
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the amount of men showed up, which was incredible. We're just that they came. They showed up here
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with so much passion. And it's really it's really encouraging for me right now because you know,
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I'm sure everybody's felt the last few months of just this darkness. And so just to see this
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resurgence of this is fireland inside of men right now is like it made it a good day for me.
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Well, it kind of kind of shadows your little trifecta. Yeah, well, you know, I was just trying
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to I had to come up with something to say at the beginning because Vinky's not here. But no,
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the thing that's really interesting watching because people were making the joke because they're like,
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weren't you just here? I was like, well, yeah, so we have they had saturated last week. This is
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coming out, you know, about a week or so after we record. And so that's basically church like
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big big time church like Wednesday through Sunday, right? Yeah. And then everyone kind of got to
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catch their breath. And then, you know, continuing the worship is a war series. And then we get in
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there tonight and you never really know exactly what to expect kind of with men's events because
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we've all spoken to men's events before. And sometimes you get dudes that are like leaning
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forward a little bit. And then sometimes you get guys that are just kind of like, oh, there's like
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a little malaise. But the energy that was in the room tonight was like substantial before the first
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chord was played. And so like, yeah, I mean, Joby, that you're just kind of used to this is kind of
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old hat for you. But like, I tried to tell you your staff. I'm like, do you all realize how weird
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this is like all this is very weird. But the timing couldn't be better with what we're going
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through as a country to. Yeah, we I mean, this year, we're focused on calling me in to stand firm
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and act like men. And I just thought it'd be cool to have a men's worship night. And we're in a
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series called worst mid war. And I just thought it'd be cool to have a warrior come tell war stories,
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you know? And bro, I mean, first of all, I could listen to like that on the field war stories that
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you tell forever. But then also the way you connected it to like the enemy trying to kill still and
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destroy you. I mean, like the devil trying to kill you when you got home and trying to kill your
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marriage. And that amount of vulnerability was just really incredible. Because what we're trying to do
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is call men into the battle and worship is war when you worship God, you're not worshiping you,
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you're not worshiping the devil, you're worshiping the one true God. And so in case you're a little
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slow on the uptake, that's what tonight was we had this big men's vid. We've never done a men's event,
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we don't do that kind of stuff. You've never done a night like this. I never ever ever. We've had
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worship nights with the hope for the whole church. But and dude, we, we, you know, there's 3,000 seats
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in there. We were packed here. We were packed at two of our other campuses. And it's just guys
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come into worship and just in here, you share your testimony. I just felt super compelled to like,
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I mean, you know, one tell a war story from Afghanistan, but in two kind of book, book ending it,
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but like show that we're all in a spiritual war. Like in those wars could be in the battlefield,
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Afghanistan, those could be at home in your marriage, in your family, they're everywhere. And, you know,
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the, but the strategies to win are the same. One of the things I have to fight when I talk to
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get guys like you, Chad, and you're telling your stories, I have to fight my story. And what I mean
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is I'm like, dang it, I wish I would have been a Marine instead of go to college and seminary and,
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you know, be a youth pastor. And I just have to remind myself if I had walked a different path,
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I wouldn't be able to fight the battle that I'm in today, you know, for the hearts and souls of
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thousands and thousands of people. But it, but it's another trick that the enemy use is to try to
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like, well, that guy's tougher than you. Because you know what I mean? Because I've had so many
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guys like you on the show. And so, and then I'll get this comment from guys. Oh, you know, I was
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in a force for a common ring and I wasn't an ABC. Well, I'm not a best-selling author like
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that. So I'm just kind of a nobody. And there was a guy I was coaching a while back and, you know,
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very impressive career in the Air Force. And, you know, he got saved as, you know, a kid, like
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he's probably seven or eight years old got saved, you know, grew up in a pastor's house and that
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kind of thing. And he kind of made this off the cuff comedy is like, yeah, but I don't really have
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a, you know, an exciting testimony. So I just, I just don't really, you know, share it. And so I
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keyed in on that, I kind of dug in a little bit. I was like, okay, give me a little bit more like,
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you know, why? Where does that come from that type of thing? And then for whatever reason, Chad,
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I remembered this dude has two granddaughters, young granddaughters. And I was like, hey, do you
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want your granddaughters to have a boring testimony or an exciting one? And like he froze. And it was
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like you could tell it landed immediately because it's like your testimony is your testimony and
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your testimony qualifies you to minister to a specific kind of person. There's somebody that you
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brought with you who, you know, lost one of his sons as one of his sons was killed. And so you
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swear to him this morning, right? You're speaking right to him this morning. He lost his 20, 20-year-old
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son. And so for Joby and I, we have sons that are, that are alive. And so we can empathize with
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somebody. We can feel bad for them. We can pray for them. But he is, he is set up and trained to
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mentor and to, to worship with and worship through and to go to war with people in the
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spiritual realm that have dealt with that specific kind of darkness, you know what I mean? And so
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like, but I mean, having, having a guy like you to be able to tell your story, people can kind of
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see what the options are, especially for their own life as well.
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Well, that's funny. One of the things that I'm on the opposite end of that, because of my military
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experience and, you know, the MMA and those kinds of things that, you know, to me, it's just like,
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that's just my life. But to other people, they're like impressed by it. Like, I am very aware and,
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and feel like an extreme responsibility that I don't disconnect myself from people. And I do
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that a lot when I'm training guys to speak, like, especially special operations guys, I have these
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incredible backgrounds. It's like, you don't want to give a story that you're, you put yourself in a
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place that people can't connect with you. You have to still build to show a connection between
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they can relate to. Yeah. And so that's like something, you know, it's a balancing act. You want
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to be able to use those stories and its platforms to gain attention and respect so to listen.
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But then you don't want to speak at them and not, not with them, you know, I just thought it was,
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it was ballsy the way how vulnerable you were. And you didn't sugar go parts of your testimony.
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Because the problem is a bunch of grown men come to church, you know, come to an event like this,
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or whatever. And they're like, wow, these people don't even have real struggles because it never
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gets meant. Now here we do. We just talk straight about it. Yeah. But I think too many people try to
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like whitewash their story a little bit. And because you don't want to give the, the, the
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evil one any glory or whatever. But if you don't talk about real things. Yeah, grimy stuff. Yeah,
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man. And I tell our church all the time, look, the thank you is doing just fine. A real Jesus
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down on the real cross for the real you. And so let's be real. And you will never learn to be free
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until you learn to be real and learn to be honest. For me, I'll just look at what's at stake. Like,
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if I'm not honest about the lows, then the highs, there's not much contrast to the highs.
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Like an, and so if I'm going to, if I'm going to point to Jesus and people, you know, see anything,
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if people see anything admirable in me right now, it's because they see Jesus in me. And so I need to
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show the rock bottom that I was at. And I had to be, I had to be really vulnerable and transparent
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about those things. And I know too, especially from the ministry now, that as, as terrible as
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some of the things I did, bad decisions I made, I'm not unique in that. I used to believe I was
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unique in that, but I'm like, Oh, yeah, we're all pretty messed up. So but that's what vulnerability
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leads to. Right. Is where somebody can actually see themselves in your story a little bit, because
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you quoted Psalm 23 tonight. And people, they kind of misunderstand that Psalm to where they're like,
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Oh, yeah, the Lord's, he's going to deliver me out of this valley. It's like, no, that's not what
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it says. It's that when you're in the valley, he's there with you. Right. And so for all of us,
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we're either in that season where we're in the valley coming out of the valley or about to go
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into the valley. And so if people can't connect, because that's one thing there are people Joe,
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you're, you're kind of like putting your thumb on this. There are people that do kind of what we
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do for a living where they speak with a microphone on their face. And they shine up all the rough
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edges. Right. They want to shine them up as much as possible, because they think self-deprecation
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doesn't add to their ability to have an impact. Right. But it's like, when you're being vulnerable,
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and when you're throwing yourself under the bus, you're saying, Hey, guys, the positive things I'm
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saying, I'm saying that to me too. And so it's kind of like, are we preaching the word to ourselves on
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a daily basis? Or are we applying it elsewhere? And so I think that that's something that you do
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whenever you do share so openly about your story and your struggles and the stuff you did.
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Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know. I just think it's, if I'm going to do it,
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like, I've heard it a lot like I go to speak at church and like, Oh, I can't believe how vulnerable
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you were. And I'm like, it's just talking to me. Like what? Like, I could not do this if it wasn't.
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Well, also, isn't it just the people that don't believe the gospel or the folks that feel like
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they're still ashamed of their past? Right. Like the cross is out of this all.
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Yeah. So the shame has been taken away and nailed to the cross.
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I'm talking about a different person. Right. With his accusations that old Chad Robleshow was
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dead. That old Jobe is dead, man. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But I just appreciate it because I mean,
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you're winning. You want everybody's respect. I mean, you tell war stories. I mean, none of us
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have ever some guys in this room in that room had, but you know, nobody in my house is still in
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the field in Afghanistan and traded gunfire. And so you're like, or nor have I won a belt in MMA,
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you know, and your shoulder, their stories. And you kind of like, wow.
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And then I love the connection, though, of like, I was on the X when I got home and I needed Jesus
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to do what I couldn't do. Yes. Yes. I would say, but we did both kill alligators, though, right?
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Yeah. All three of us, right? That's true. All three of us. Yeah. All we drag it.
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That's right. So shout out to my dragons. But the cool thing about what you're saying as well is
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there are a lot of veterans in the community or in the room tonight and a bunch of them came up
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and talked to you. Perhaps every single one of them came up and talked to you afterwards.
11:52
But like the amazing thing about those guys is you also drew the dichotomy. There was a
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Vietnam vet in the room and the way that those men were treated. And I just had one on the show,
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Colonel Paris Davis, who was given the medal honor like years, he's like during the Biden
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administration, right? So he had to wait this whole long time. And what those guys went through
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compared to what they're coming home with now. So they were coming home with a lot of the same
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psychological and mental scars that people from the GWOT have come home with. But there was there
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there weren't people cheering them on. There weren't people trying to help them. And it kind of alluded
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to something you talked about to where it's like, you don't want to admit weakness, especially
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when you're surrounded by lions, right? And then you get home, you're not surrounded by the
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lions anymore, but you still keep this idea that I got to keep the weakness to myself. And it's just
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that, I mean, Satan is super crafty. It's just a pervasive mindset that is, I mean, unfortunately,
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taking a lot of guys out. It has. I mean, I mean, this, and we could say that, you know, after 20
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something years of, you know, me and I 11 was, you know, yeah, was, you know, 2001. So we're,
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it's, you think of a change been out, but that's that stereotype is still there. Like you still,
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it's still not just free to say, Hey, I'm struggling right now. I need to take a knee.
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Like the military still hasn't figured it out yet. Well, it's sad. It's still I haven't figured
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it out yet. Yeah, we found that we started a first responders ministry here at the church.
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And one of the things that has been really helpful is we have, with every sheriff's department and
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every county around, and we found it to be very helpful to have folks not employed by the police
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department and sheriff's office as trained chaplains, because a lot of those guys won't
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admit things to the chaplains because they're afraid of repercussions. I mean, you know,
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notes get taken and people get labeled. And one day for promotion,
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that a lot of these officers are afraid of that. And so that's not a good thing, man.
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It's not growing the dark. I mean, that's what we, uh, one of the things that mighty
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oaks we've, we've denied for 15 years now have denied government funding. And that's one of the
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things I was in. I was just at the White House this week. And, uh, because the way the VA has set up,
14:04
the FDA oversees any funding of a mental health programs. So the VA cannot approve a mental health
14:13
program. That's the FDA approves it, which is a conflict of interest because of the pharmaceutical
14:17
companies. Right. And, uh, but we go to that rabbit hole, but, but where it hurts the veteran
14:22
community is that now the only funding comes through clinical programs. Clinical programs
14:27
keeps records and those records have to be reported. So anybody that goes in those programs have to,
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you know, have to, uh, their, their information's out there, right? And you think hippo or something,
14:38
like that, but their information's out there. My car's on the table. I'm just telling you,
14:42
for anybody listening, if you go to, whether it's a mental health counselor or your regular doctor,
14:47
and you don't feel good, and they don't ask you anything about diet, exercise, sleep,
14:53
and relationships, and they hand you a bottle of something. You're at the wrong place. Now,
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I'm not completely anti pills. There's some, I mean, God said God heals through people, prayers,
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and pills. But if the lead question is not heart, soul, mind, and strength, you know,
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yeah, but it's just I've got a prescription of that. You were in the wrong place. That person is not,
15:13
that person's on the hook. And, and some of them don't even know it. Right. They just,
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that's just a system they grew up in. And a part of the reason though is because the church is like,
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we'll handle spiritual things and y'all can handle everything else. So they did this church,
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we're going after heart, soul, mind, and strength with people. Yeah.
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When like you're seeding ground to people that don't have those two entities that don't have
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the capability of standing under the pressure. So, so I talk about how churches, and we've all
15:40
seen this and we've all talked about it privately. And, you know, on our respective shows, but the
15:43
church has accepted its position culturally as downstream of culture. Right. Yeah. And so,
15:49
when the church starts looking up to culture and up to society and up to perhaps a political
15:55
party, this is, that's the both sides of the issue. It's like you're accepting, you're not
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accepting the position that God gave you, right? You're not stepping into the position that God
16:04
has to where everything else should flow from what is happening inside of the church in your
16:08
right, Joey. Like we've, we've abdicated our responsibility as churches writ large. I mean,
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you're the only pastor technically at the table right now, but we've accepted that position and
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then we've also, we're the ones that accepted the position and then we're lamenting where we are
16:22
in position to culture. It's like, wait a minute, you can't speak real truth to power
16:27
whenever you put yourself in that position to begin with. The other extreme is churches,
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some of them, I think it's a pride thing and they're like, well, if we didn't create it,
16:34
we don't want to have anything to do with them. Well, how dumb is that? What the heck do I know
16:39
about veteran care? Nothing. So, what a lot of churches will do is like, well, we have to go
16:45
out and start this thing from scratch. We don't do that. What we primarily try to do in a whole
16:50
bunch of areas is we try to stay in our lane, preach the Bible, make disciples and then partner
16:55
with folks like you and you and help fuel and fun that then God's calling you to do. In actuality,
17:01
according to Ephesians chapter four verse 20, my job is to equip the saints for the work of the
17:05
ministry. The ministry actually doesn't even happen in the church. The ministry happens when the saints
17:10
are equipped to go do the thing that God has called them to do. So part of the reason we would
17:14
partner with mighty yokes and we partner with an anointed life is because these are areas where
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you guys, God has already called you. His hand of blessing is upon you. And we're just trying to
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fuel the things that you guys are already doing instead of us trying to create a lesser.
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It's really, it's really great to hear you say it because that's the elite, you know,
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me leading the ministry of mighty yokes. We say the same thing to opposite. Like I'll tell our staff,
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hey, we have to be very clear. Like mighty yokes is not the solution to this. This issue. We are,
17:44
we are actually a conduit to the church. We will reach people that that will never walk inside the
17:49
walls of the church. We're not in the trenches, but we're not that we're not the destination.
17:53
We are a pit stop to the church. Our job is to be a conduit to the church and get them
17:57
planted in local churches and homes and church homes. And that's, uh, that's always been the
18:01
mission of mighty yokes. And it's very clear to our staff that, uh, yeah, anyone that's ever
18:06
ran into you guys or talked to you guys about mighty yokes or anyone that's on your staff,
18:09
like that that's so readily apparent. And again, as we're all talking about this, like we're
18:13
recording this the day of Charlie Kirk celebration of life that's happening in Arizona. And you mentioned
18:18
it tonight from the stage. I mean, somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to 250,000 people converged
18:24
on the same location. And I've seen some debate going back and forth on, you know, whether or not
18:30
he's a Christian martyr and, you know, people are like categorizing him as this or, Oh, well,
18:34
he's a political figure. And so we can't really talk about him, but literally at the event where
18:37
he was assassinated just minutes before he was assassinated, he proclaimed the truth of the gospel
18:43
to a nonbeliever. And especially in the last two to three years, and that's been an inspiration
18:49
to me seeing this, but in the last two to three years, that became the foundation of every single
18:54
thing that he talked about. So when he was talking about a cultural issue or a societal
18:58
issue or a political issue, it was going back to a biblical foundation and a biblical truth that was
19:03
rooted in the truth of the gospel. And so I know that's a challenge for you with mighty yokes. It's
19:09
challenged me with a daughter alive to be like, okay, where is our foundation here? Am I getting
19:13
out over my skis because I'm getting excited about something in culture or because I'm concerned
19:17
about something politically? And so it's been, I think it's been a wake up call for a lot of people
19:21
that do kind of paratourch ministry stuff and then Joe be doing the straight up ministry stuff as
19:25
well. I think, I mean, when you look at communities that are afflicted by all these cultural issues,
19:32
that are implicated from politics, these our communities are going to need answers to these
19:39
things. And so if they can't go to their church, this could speak biblical truths and all these
19:43
cultural issues, then where do they go? Where do they go? They go to Fox News CNN. There's no good
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Yeah. So I talked last weekend and this weekend about Charlie Kirk.
21:47
One, it just, well, I don't know how you don't talk about the biggest thing going on in the
21:54
society right now. Like, you know, and I'm trying to give as much grace as I can to some guys are
22:00
cowards. Yeah. And just a heads up, man, coward is listed as a group of people. They don't make it
22:05
into heaven. So I'd pay attention to that, along with all kind of crazy sins. So
22:11
but, but a part of what I said today at church was, if I'm the shepherd, a big part of what is
22:17
happening is that people do look to me as their pastor to help navigate how do we move from here
22:22
to there to get to still waters and green patches. And the folks that want to argue about Charlie
22:28
Kirk, whether he's a Christian martyr or not. Okay. Did the brother, he preached the gospel to
22:32
more college kids than anybody in this generation in history to say that he's not a Christian martyr
22:37
would be to say, John, the Baptist isn't a Christian martyr because he actually didn't die for his
22:41
faith. He died for his views on marriage. And that's why King Herod killed him. Nobody would say
22:45
that. So people, you're just you got a preconceived notion and you're just leading with your left
22:50
politics, as opposed to leading with the cross. And actually what's happening now in regards to
22:58
Charlie Kirk is a bunch of haters are now watching his full link videos and going, Oh, yeah, I think
23:03
people have been lying to me. Yeah. It's happening a lot. That's that, you know, they're taking these
23:09
clips in there and going back and watching you seem to context and you're like, Yep, exactly like
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we've been lied to. And which is which is, I mean, it's a great it's a great thing. It's it's they're
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getting woke the other way. Yeah, waking up in truth. Yeah. Well, I mean, someone was talking
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about if someone was a staff, I'll get the stat wrong, but it was like leading up to the election
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between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, Charlie Kirk's video specifically reviewed for like,
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it was something like 15 billion views in total. So if you take, you know, clips taking a TikTok
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and Instagram and it's impossible to get the actual number because people rip clips and, you know,
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share it elsewhere as their own. Like, I think everyone's done that at this point. But the thing
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that we see with his situation is the flaming arrows that were thrown at him had nowhere to land,
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right? And so they called him all the phobes, right? Like you're a llama phobe, you're, you know,
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you're a misogynist, you're a transphobe, you're a homophobe, you're a xenophobe, you're all these,
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these negative things. And yet they can't find the quote or the clip that leads directly to that.
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And again, for me, I'm looking at like, okay, I said this so many other day because I was talking,
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talking to them, I was like, I kind of look at my podcast as a love letter to my sons,
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my five year old, my three year old, because if something happened to me and I didn't wake up
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tomorrow, right, there's 800 some odd episodes that those boys at some point, as long as the
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internet's so around can go back and listen to. Yeah. And if anyone were to call their daddy,
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like any of the phobes or any of those, those negative things or that he was, you know,
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Nazi or any of those types of things, I want them to be able to go back to the source material
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and say, yeah, actually, my dad was, was a man of the book and he tried his best and he made
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some mistakes and some missteps, but he owned him and he kind of kept going forward. But I mean,
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sometimes I think about that when I'm preaching, I want to preach my own funeral.
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Yeah, I know what I'm on this planet for. I'm on this planet and share the gospel. So when I die
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and they put me in the box, I won't whoever's going to do my funeral to be like, here's what this man
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was about. They're going to have a lot of hours of me sharing the gospel and I'm going to share
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the gospel with my funeral. And then that'll be my last ministry moment, you know?
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Yeah, I mean, one of the things I loved about Charlie and, you know, having the privilege to
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speak a lot of, we, a lot of it's kind of speaking circuit and a lot of text between us. But I've
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been on a show a few times and we actually didn't always agree on a show. But his ability to have,
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like, to have civil discord and things he didn't agree with. And obviously we're both
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conservatives. We're both very much aligned. But there was some things we didn't agree on and a
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man's ability to have those conversations. Like at that time, every show was going on
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on the topic of Afghanistan and Ukraine. I think that the host would probably even if they didn't
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agree to a pander to me. Sure. Yeah. And he didn't. And I love the conversation.
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And that's a part of what it means to stand up like a man.
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Yeah. I mean, look at Van Jones. We were just talking about that today in the truck. I mean,
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Van Jones is somebody. And I forget how exactly I said, but it's like Van Jones. I think he
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believes wrong on every other issue, but I don't think he's inherently evil, right? Whereas some
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people I think, yeah, you believe wrong and the things you support are evil. But he said the day
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before Charlie Kirk got shot that Charlie sent him a DM and he shared the message and he waited a
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couple of weeks. He's like, I didn't want to seem like I was trying to get clicks or something like
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that. But I feel like this is important for our cultural moment because like, because that day,
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him and Charlie were going back and forth. I think it was on Twitter or something like that.
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They were just going back and forth and have the same girl. Yeah, this, this, you know,
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public kerfuffle between these guys. And then Charlie basically said, hey, I want you to come
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with my show. Like, let's talk this out. Let's civilly disagree in front of the entire world.
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And the next day he's bleeding out, right? And Van Jones, you could tell like he cried on air.
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Like, you know, he was just basically like, this is, he was the epitome of what he was, was preaching
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because there's a lot of people that are trying to attach things to Charlie and say, Oh, well,
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Charlie would have said this, you know, after he has gone and can't really defend himself.
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But I mean, it's just again, it's just a lot of people are learning lessons.
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So what would you guys say? I mean, I know you get some hate. I assume you get some
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hate. Oh, yeah. Yeah, me too. So a guy shows up to this event tonight, right? And he feels
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convicted. He feels encouraged, like all the right things. And he's kind of been sitting on the
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sidelines. And then at work tomorrow, he's like, you know what, screw it. I'm going to stand up
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at like a man. I'm going to step into my God-given purpose. And then he starts getting pushed back
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at work from the neighborhood, you know, just all the places. I mean, I'm sure people aren't
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blowing him up a line like they do us, but yeah, what would you say to that man? Because he's
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listening right now, you know? Yeah, I mean, I mean, for me, like, you know, anytime,
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anytime in my life that I've moved towards something good, and I could go back like
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anytime I moved back, it moved in my life towards something good, there's been opposition,
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right? There's been opposition. But standing to standing against the opposition and pressing
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through it led me to a better place. And so, you know, if you, if you want what you never had,
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you got to do what you've never done. And it's not going to be popular. People are going to be,
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if you have in-back company, they're going to want you to stay, they want you to stay there
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in-back company with them. So do you want to stay with those people that are condemning you?
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Do you want to stay where they are? Do you want to stay there? Or did you make a decision to go
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somewhere better? And if you made the decision to go somewhere better, well,
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that's going to be opposition. You're just going to have to endure that. It's part of the process.
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It's part of the refinement. Yeah, Joby, I literally had this conversation with a guy
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like two days ago, and he's wanting to be more bold about his faith. And he works, you know,
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in kind of a rough industry where a lot of people are kind of knuckleheads and do knucklehead
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things. And, you know, he's trying to see like what exactly he should do. And I just said,
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you've been, you've been operating in this way where you've had no turbulence, you've had no
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friction, you've had no pushback. And so things have seemed really, really nice. But if you look
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at even the context of iron sharpening iron, because that's everybody's favorite men's
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ministry thing is iron, we're iron sharpening iron. But it's like, if I looked at y'all's men's
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ministry, your turn to be like two streams of lotion hitting one another. It's not, it's not iron.
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Like, because when iron is sharpening iron, it's loud, it's disruptive, there's sparks,
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there might be fire, there's all these types of things. So it's like, brother, if you're starting
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to feel some of that, you're over the X, because tonight you were talking about being on the X,
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and you need to get off the X. But if you're above it all, like, you're in the right place,
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if you needed to drop payload. And the thing is, is you have to make sure through practice and
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through prayer and through making sure you're, you know, you're looking at the promptings of the
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Holy Spirit, you have to make sure what you're doing is righteous and moral. And so if you're
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in the right place and you're over the X, and the people are giving you flak and negative feedback
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about that, that is part of your walk. And like, count it all as joy, because in that moment,
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you were exactly where God wants you to be. You know what else is super important that a
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skipped over and is probably the most important thing is, is aligning with like-minded brothers.
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So if you change your, if you change your mind, now you're, you're, you're out of a
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unity with the, your old group of people. And so you need to lock arms with a new group of people.
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And, you know, maybe some of those old people will follow you along, because they're like,
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see, they can see fruit in your life. And they'd be like, I want some of that too.
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But you're gonna have to go first. And so that means changing your circle.
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And, and it's hard sometimes. Yeah, that's good. And so we'll burn the ships,
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you know, that's right. Yeah. And one of the things is, man, we don't fight to fight.
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We don't just fight to fight that. I mean, when Paul and Corinthians tells us act like man,
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he ends it with and let everything you do be done in love that our weapons of warfare are
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different. And our lead foot is love apart, speaking to Charlie Kirk. So like what happens with Van
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Jones is he didn't use these words. But what he's saying is, okay, he's thinking Charlie's a fighter
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in Charlie's a what all the, like you said, a xenophobe, homophobe, transphobe, whatever.
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But then his personal interaction and experience is like, oh my God, this guy's loving towards me.
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Yeah. And it's disarming. Oh, Bill Maher said that when Charlie Kirk was on the show, and I mean,
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when Bill Maher has people on his podcast, like they're smoking weed, they're drinking alcohol,
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like it's like a whole thing. And Charlie's obviously kind of T-Toll and when it comes to a
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lot of that. But I think at one point, like Bill Maher just goes, man, I was just waiting to find
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like the bigot, like the monster that people told me that you were and I just haven't found him yet.
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And Charlie didn't use that as like a gotcha. All right. Now I'm going to take the mask off and
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like really get after it. And so, but as we close out here, I think it is very important because
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we've all talked about it in different contexts. You talked about it from stage tonight,
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talk about Foxhole, talk about band of brothers, we talk about Matt Toders or Matt carriers,
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we talk about Kings table, we talk about all those things. Because what helps you get through
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those moments where you're getting that negative feedback when you're getting, you know, people
32:00
that are, you know, the flaming darts of the enemy are headed in your way. Like if you can lock arms
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and get into failings with real dudes and you're protecting the guy to your left as your right is
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being protected by the guy you're right. Like to say it's invaluable is to say nothing at all.
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Yeah. I think another thing too is you got to pay close attention to the inputs.
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And so, yeah, there are three podcasts right here that would help you focus your mind on the right
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things, you know, because I'm sure because we're going to put this on all three platforms. So
32:32
they're resilient guys that don't know about us and deepen guys that don't know about you and,
32:36
and don't do life guys that don't know about us. And so if that's you out there, do you know,
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you have an entire library out there of some God honoring stand up and act like a man.
32:46
Yeah. Eight hundred and counting. I'm like, I think I'm an eight, mid 80s. You know, you'll get
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there eventually. Like one of these days, like your resume day, you'll be a black belt podcast.
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But I will say your podcasts of mine aren't very holy because we don't end with prayer,
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but Joby's does. And so I think that's how we should do it. So let's let's pray and we're going to
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raise that. Thanks for blessing my church. You know how you love people that love your kids will.
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Yeah. Well, in a real sense, I'm like the dad of this big family here.
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And when I see somebody bless the the folks that I'm responsible to shepherd it just,
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I love you even more now. Thank you. Thank you for trusting me the privilege to be getting
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in front of your congregation. Let's go. All right. Let's pray. Father in heaven, we love you.
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God, thanks so much that you have created us to be men in your image to be provider,
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protector, prophet, priest, servant, king, and Lord, I pray that we would step into
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the warfare that you have. Just like Chad said, we were born behind enemy lines, but good news.
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You have already won the war. Now, may we just live a life that honors that in Jesus name. Amen.
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